UFC 121: Lesnar vs Velasquez

[ErhnamDjinn]

Fights on October 23

We get to see another contender last of the 2 guys who I believe are the only ones in the heavyweight division that stand a chance against Brock, the other being JDS. Love him or hate him Brock seems to be the real deal, he's fast, has great wrestling, cardio and has suprised us that his thick skull can take a punch. He has also showcased improved ground game and even had his first submission win against his last opponent Shane Carwin. Im not going to go on about who is the best HW of all time but at the moment Brock is on a tear and is top dog among HW's, Im kinda not sure about this matchup since Cain gives away atleast 30lbs, he's shown improved striking and relentless cardio (Big Nog/Kongo Matchup respectively) I think Cain's only chance is standing and pacing himself otherwise I just see him being negated on the ground, not necessarily by a better wrestler skill wise, but a evenly skilled guy who is just so much bigger.

Anyway on to the match ups

Main Card:

Brock Lesnar 5-1 MMA 4-1 UFC vs Cain Velasquez 8-0 MMA 6-0 UFC

http://fiveouncesofpain.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/brock-lesnar.jpg 6'3 265lbs

http://www.mmacrunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/cain-velasquez.jpg 6'1 238lbs

We also get to see the first appearance of Jake Shields in the UFC the current Strikeforce MW champion he will be facing Martin Kampman as a welter weight

Jake Shield vs Martin "The Hitman" Kampman
Both seem to be on a tear and I believe Jake Shields to be a legit threat to GSP, his slow but sure grind out style works well and has top notch BJJ and from his last fight against Hendo shows he can take a punch after being rocked in the 1st round

the other fights that round our the main card are

Welterweight bout: Diego Sanchez vs. Paulo Thiago
Light Heavyweight bout:Tito Ortiz vs.Matt Hamill
Heavyweight bout:Brendan Schaub vs. Gabriel Gonzaga

I dont think Diego matches up well with Paulo and I dont see how he can win.
I also think Tito is a shot fighter and Matt's wrestling is top notch.
Im not sure about the Gabe Gonzaga fight, I like Gabe since he has all the tools BJJ Mundial winner good decent HW size, but he seems to wilt under pressure. But against a so-so guy like Schaub I think he wins but Gabe has disappointed in the past.

[ErhnamDjinn]

the prelims look above average also, this looks to be a awesome card.

Preliminary card

Middleweight bout:Court McGee vs. Ryan Jensen
Middleweight bout:Patrick C

[Done_And_Done]

First off LOL @ the axe murderer animation avy... Love it

Caught the preview program last night before I passed out which instilled in me even more enthusiasm over a card that I was already incredibly stoked to see. From top to bottom there's not one bout listed that doesn't catch my eye so props to Dana and his team for the well rounded batch of fights. As per usual, the jist of the preview show was a brief build up of the main event which I expect to see Brock conclude with a victory. Cains proven to be a solid heavyweight in his own right but that 35 pound gap might be to vast an obstacle to overcome especially when you consider how quick Lesnar is as well. He's a near 300 pounder that moves with the finesse of a middleweight, hence why he's such unique breed. 15 years ago a fighter of Brocks make up would have been classified as a freak show but no longer is that the consensus view point. Cains best bet is to try and drive this fight past the midway point of the 3rd round, then utilize his endurance over the much bigger Lesnar. Should serve as an intriguing show nonetheless

[ErhnamDjinn]

Lolz in the countdown show I loved when Brock said ill drink a Coors and eat a burrito for your Mexican hertiage OK hahaha

[Done_And_Done]

Lolz in the countdown show I loved when Brock said ill drink a Coors and eat a burrito for your Mexican hertiage OK hahaha

LOL...

Gotta love the shock factor whenever Brock has a mic before him. You just never know what's gunna come out of him. And I don't think his intentions are to be malicious or disrespectful either.

[ErhnamDjinn]

Article from Jason Probst from Sherdog.com

http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/1/UFC-121-Preview-The-Main-Card-27607

With the title on the line, UFC heavyweight champion Brock Lesnar

[ErhnamDjinn]

article continued


Welterweights
Paulo Thiago (No. 7 WW) vs. Diego Sanchez

The Matchup: In a perfectly fair world, guys like Sanchez would have a proper weight class somewhere between lightweight and welterweight. Instead, the winner of

[hateraid]

I'm obligated to pick Lesnar since my company sponsors him and sales do go up for me when he wins.

Only prayer Velasquez has is if he can stick and move for 5 rounds. He can catch him, since he is the better striker, and Brock is known to wince when hit. If he manages to knock him down he do a better job mounting and finishing on the ground. That's the one problem Carwin had. He expended all energy instead of pinpointing his ground attack.

On a side note, this was undisclosed news but Carwin suffered a panic attack in the ring which drained his adrenals. Had he not he may have had the same intensity as when he started the first round. If the fight were to go again I think Carwin would probably win it.

[ErhnamDjinn]

I'm obligated to pick Lesnar since my company sponsors him and sales do go up for me when he wins.

Only prayer Velasquez has is if he can stick and move for 5 rounds. He can catch him, since he is the better striker, and Brock is known to wince when hit. If he manages to knock him down he do a better job mounting and finishing on the ground. That's the one problem Carwin had. He expended all energy instead of pinpointing his ground attack.

On a side note, this was undisclosed news but Carwin suffered a panic attack in the ring which drained his adrenals. Had he not he may have had the same intensity as when he started the first round. If the fight were to go again I think Carwin would probably win it.
Yup Carwin gassed, probably also as you mentioned a Adrenal dump due to pressure to win plus he really expended all his energy in the 1st. I still think in the end it will be JDS who becomes the HW champ, as long as he can avoid the take down no one will outbox him standing up.

[Stinky Dog]

awesome card...

lesnar vs velasquez - lesnar is a beast and proven to be an elite fighter but Velasquez is a whole new breed of fighter in my opinion. i truly believe he could down as the greatest and he'll prove this come Saturday night. he's an elite wrestler but a far more fluid striker and just a smoother fighter. pound for pound hes the strongest human being i've ever seen compete in combat sports. anyone who follows the sport is well aware that he's never come close to gassing and probably has the greatest cardio in the HW division. he has a huge edge in the striking department and with his wrestling background, lesnar will have a really hard time taking him down. lesnar couldn't take down a fresh carwin and cain is 10x the fighter carwin is. cain is the new breed.

shields vs kampman - shields is a total stud. kampman is very well rounded but shields takedowns and ground and pound/top game will present all sorts of problems. shields top game straight up smothers people. he's the best threat to GSP in the division and has a legit chance to dethrone him. he's in the mix for top pound for pound fighters in the sport. he'll grind out a win versus kampman.

diego sanchez vs paulo thiago - fight looks to be a great one on paper. one fighter is hyper aggressive (sanchez) while Thiago is very methodical and picks his spots. i like thiago to stop the fight via strikes but it wouldn't surprise me at all to see sanchez grind out a decision.

ortiz vs hammil - hard to root for tito. i think he'll have a slight edge in striking and their both very good but not great wrestlers. should be a decision either way. will be rooting hard for hammil.

schaub vs gonzaga - don't blink. i like gonzaga to put down schaub.

[evilmonkey]

I usually say:

Skill (example Velasquez) > Talent (Lesnar)

But only this time i have to say Talent > Skill.... Lesnar is to much of a talent for Velasquez skill.... you will see... he is to much for anybodys skill except maybe Emilianenko.

I am a more skilled MMA fighter than a Bull to.... but what makes you think im gona win? :D

[DGARAS]

I hope Lawlor doesn't lose. I really want to see this guy get his shit together and compete for a co-main event one day.

[sunsfan1357]

I'm obligated to pick Lesnar since my company sponsors him and sales do go up for me when he wins.

Only prayer Velasquez has is if he can stick and move for 5 rounds. He can catch him, since he is the better striker, and Brock is known to wince when hit. If he manages to knock him down he do a better job mounting and finishing on the ground. That's the one problem Carwin had. He expended all energy instead of pinpointing his ground attack.

On a side note, this was undisclosed news but Carwin suffered a panic attack in the ring which drained his adrenals. Had he not he may have had the same intensity as when he started the first round. If the fight were to go again I think Carwin would probably win it.
So are you the reason why I get Brock Lesnar trading cards with every order?

[Patrick Chewing]

I've got Lesnar here. Size is a key factor here and I think it's been proven that Lesnar has the chin to take a hit.

I'm dying to see Lesnar vs. JDS though. Hopefully that would be his next opponent.

[ErhnamDjinn]

I usually say:

Skill (example Velasquez) > Talent (Lesnar)

But only this time i have to say Talent > Skill.... Lesnar is to much of a talent for Velasquez skill.... you will see... he is to much for anybodys skill except maybe Emilianenko.

I am a more skilled MMA fighter than a Bull to.... but what makes you think im gona win? :D
Yeah I think Lesnar is really a one o kind dude who's a natural talent plus is a very decent wrestler, I actually hated him in the start and still do because he was basically gifted the belt, but dude is a stud, proved himself already twice. I still think JDS will maul him standing and will not gas like Carwin.

[Stinky Dog]

lol you guys are delusional. lesnar is going to get worked. obviously he can win but velasquez is clearly a superior fighter and EASILY the best fighter Lesnar has ever been in the ring with. he is a completely different animal, I can't wait to bump this thread after Cain puts a stop to this nonsense. lesnar is a bull and is definitely legit but Velasquez is a much more fluid fighter and a terrible match up for him and ANYONE. his wrestling is just as good as Brock's. he will be able to stuff Brocks powerful double legs (no easy task), and if he does get taken down he'll be able to scramble. his cardio gives him a huge edge not to mention he's extremely powerful on the feet and much more techincal. his chin is excellent too. he either puts Brock away early or he outlasts him deep.

Velasquez will prove he's the best fighter in the UFC Saturday.

BOOK IT.

[ErhnamDjinn]

recent interview on the Jim Rome show, Brock talks his upcoming fight, not sure if he doesnt know who Chael Sonnen is but lolz in the last 30 second mark

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s73dayC4S5U&feature=player_embedded

[Poodle]

its funny to me how fedor is almost completely out of the picture these days. i guess it was his loss coupled with lesnar beating Carwin, where most 'MMA guys' finally have jumped off of the fedor wagon and at least recognizing Lesnar as a great HW. not too long ago most of them hated on Lesnar so hard like a big gimmick, while acting like fedor was the end all be all of MMA.

not rubbing it in, just funny how quickly things change. fedor as far as i'm concerned is in the same boat as mayweather. both scared to lose fgts.

[Poodle]

lol you guys are delusional. lesnar is going to get worked. obviously he can win but velasquez is clearly a superior fighter and EASILY the best fighter Lesnar has ever been in the ring with. he is a completely different animal, I can't wait to bump this thread after Cain puts a stop to this nonsense. lesnar is a bull and is definitely legit but Velasquez is a much more fluid fighter and a terrible match up for him and ANYONE. his wrestling is just as good as Brock's. he will be able to stuff Brocks powerful double legs (no easy task), and if he does get taken down he'll be able to scramble. his cardio gives him a huge edge not to mention he's extremely powerful on the feet and much more techincal. his chin is excellent too. he either puts Brock away early or he outlasts him deep.

Velasquez will prove he's the best fighter in the UFC Saturday.

BOOK IT.


i think lesnar is due to lose soon, and this could be the fight, but people were saying the same exact shit about his fight with Carwin.

[ErhnamDjinn]

its funny to me how fedor is almost completely out of the picture these days. i guess it was his loss coupled with lesnar beating Carwin, where most 'MMA guys' finally have jumped off of the fedor wagon and at least recognizing Lesnar as a great HW. not too long ago most of them hated on Lesnar so hard like a big gimmick, while acting like fedor was the end all be all of MMA.

not rubbing it in, just funny how quickly things change. fedor as far as i'm concerned is in the same boat as mayweather. both scared to lose fgts.
why do always have to bring in Fedor into every thread, did he do something to you to warrant the hate? I know you hate the ******gers that preached of Fedors greatness, but he really is/was the GOAT. Its just really hard to talk about a guy who has been inactive as long as he is plus he did just get his aura of invincibility shattered by Werdum ( although I still believe that Fedor will win the rematch) I dont get why u dont like Fedor, he's a quiet soft spoken champion prior to his loss never lost in about a decade, looks like a normal dude yet is able to win against people larger then him. If anything the only negative thing I see about him is the way he is managed.

[Poodle]

why do always have to bring in Fedor into every thread, did he do something to you to warrant the hate? I know you hate the ******gers that preached of Fedors greatness, but he really is/was the GOAT. Its just really hard to talk about a guy who has been inactive as long as he is plus he did just get his aura of invincibility shattered by Werdum ( although I still believe that Fedor will win the rematch) I dont get why u dont like Fedor, he's a quiet soft spoken champion prior to his loss never lost in about a decade, looks like a normal dude yet is able to win against people larger then him. If anything the only negative thing I see about him is the way he is managed.


he's his own person, and u can't keep making excuses for him acting like he isn't part of his managements decisiions. i DO hate fedor, mostly because people suck his dick so much, and i used to argue with them all of the time like a year ago how a lot of his W's weren't even that dominating, but they'd always point to his record and act like he's the greatest thing ever. even after he lost to Werdum a lot of mma people were making a ton of excuses, but it seems thats died down since i don't hear them talking about fedor as much, and now a lot of them are giving brock credit(since the Carwin match like i said).

i just think a lot of you guys keep apologizing for him, where he doesn't deserve to be propped anymore. just like Mayweather doesn't for ducking Manny. **** them both. its even sadder if fedor's management owns him like that, but its just dumb how about a year ago i remember me and i think it was a Lakers fan(maybe Showtime) arguing with all of the 'mma experts' here how lame it was he didn't go to UFC while they were trying to blame Dana, then acting like he'll eventually fight Brock. now he's almost irrelevant and nowhere in the picture. you just can't pretend all of that stuff, and bandwagon'ing him so hard didn't happen, and reflecting back on how much things have changed is very relevant to the discussion here.

i'm not even rubbing it in, more than reflecting on how much the whole HW fan perspectives have changed, and how Brock isn't a gimmick anymore. while Fedor is completely out of the picture...

[Hazard]

I haven't been able to watch any UFC fights, but did that overgrown steroid monkey lose a fight yet?

[ErhnamDjinn]

I haven't been able to watch any UFC fights, but did that overgrown steroid monkey lose a fight yet?
nope since his lose to Frank Mir, Lesnar has been on a 4 win streak and showed alot of his game. He revenged his only loss, is the current champion and survived a tough test in Carwin, this fight on Saturday and his next fight against JDS if he wins will probably seal his #1 HW status if there were still any doubts. I for one still dont like Lesnar, but he's starting to grow on me and generally seems like a cool guy. Good work ethic and only talks sh!t if sh!t is talked back.

[Jackass18]

I haven't been able to watch any UFC fights, but did that overgrown steroid monkey lose a fight yet?

Yeah, Carwin lost to Lesnar.

[hateraid]

Yeah, Carwin lost to Lesnar.

Haha.

[Hazard]

nope since his lose to Frank Mir, Lesnar has been on a 4 win streak and showed alot of his game. He revenged his only loss, is the current champion and survived a tough test in Carwin, this fight on Saturday and his next fight against JDS if he wins will probably seal his #1 HW status if there were still any doubts. I for one still dont like Lesnar, but he's starting to grow on me and generally seems like a cool guy. Good work ethic and only talks sh!t if sh!t is talked back.
I don't like him only because he used steroids back in his fake wrestling days, and now he's too big for any normal person to overpower and he's having success because of that.

[ErhnamDjinn]

I don't like him only because he used steroids back in his fake wrestling days, and now he's too big for any normal person to overpower and he's having success because of that.
actually its Jackass who is correct it was Carwin who was on a list of some dude who was selling HGH and PEDS. And if we are to believe a recent interview by Chieck Kongo he said 50% of all fighters are using PEDS, its just that not everyone is caught or tested. Or they just know how to cycle out before testing.

I hated Brock also because at first dude was gifted a title shot that could have gone to a more deserving guy, but I think Brock has proved his worth and he deserves to be where he is now.

[Poodle]

I don't like him only because he used steroids back in his fake wrestling days, and now he's too big for any normal person to overpower and he's having success because of that.


steroids are like the norm these days. i just figure if they're big and in a sport where being big helps a lot, its a given they use them, just haven't been caught yet.

i don't see them as a big deal anymore but maybe its just me :confusedshrug:

[Hazard]

steroids are like the norm these days. i just figure if they're big and in a sport where being big helps a lot, its a given they use them, just haven't been caught yet.

i don't see them as a big deal anymore but maybe its just me :confusedshrug:
It is true they are common and I think that sucks. It's kind of a big deal though if you have been training your whole life to get somewhere and someone comes along with very minimal training and takes you out, only because they used a substance to increase their performance.

[Qwyjibo]

I love this card. Even the prelims getting to see what Court McGee can do and the usually entertaining Sam Stout. Awesome from top to bottom.

[dkmwise]

I love this card. Even the prelims getting to see what Court McGee can do and the usually entertaining Sam Stout. Awesome from top to bottom.

I agree, I can;t wait to watch McGee and Cote on the prelims and I hope Stout's fight gets shown becuase he is always fun to watch. I'm even somewhat interested in the Madsen/Yvel fight

[ErhnamDjinn]

I agree, I can;t wait to watch McGee and Cote on the prelims and I hope Stout's fight gets shown becuase he is always fun to watch. I'm even somewhat interested in the Madsen/Yvel fight
yup this card has everything from casual MMA fan to hardcore, I also want to see Gabe Gonzaga bounce back, want to see if Jake Shields is UFC worthy and yeah want to see if Cote can get back his old form or if the ACL break him.

[dkmwise]

yup this card has everything from casual MMA fan to hardcore, I also want to see Gabe Gonzaga bounce back, want to see if Jake Shields is UFC worthy and yeah want to see if Cote can get back his old form or if the ACL break him.

this is definetly the best card in a while and the only one i'm looking forward to until 126

[ErhnamDjinn]

Time for the weigh ins Im so stoked for this fight:cheers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dY2WtcnhgsY&feature=player_embedded

just one more day

[ErhnamDjinn]

http://mmaaddicts.com/dann/ufc-121-lesnar-velasquez/cain-velasquez.JPG

http://mmaaddicts.com/dann/ufc-121-lesnar-velasquez/brock-lesnar.JPG

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/9772/26304491.jpg

[blacknapalm]

gonzaga always kind of folds when he fights an aggressive fighter. should be an interesting fight, but i don't see him winning. decent card like everyone else says (123 looks good too).

as far as main event, i think the only way cain wins is via unanimous decision. i'll be shocked if he gets a sub or KO's brock. he just needs to work his game, survive on the ground and outwork brock. he's the better striker. he can outlast brock. i don't care what shape brock is in...that's a big gas tank. he needs a lot of oxygen and there's more potential for lactic buildup. he's gonna start to feel it if it goes beyond 3 rounds.

as far as brock, if he wins, i see it being in the 3rd round or earlier via ground n pound. both fighters obviously have to be on the top of their games.

also, is anyone else tired of white's ugly mug in the background of every weigh-in? go away!

[chungerball]

gonzaga always kind of folds when he fights an aggressive fighter. should be an interesting fight, but i don't see him winning. decent card like everyone else says (123 looks good too).

as far as main event, i think the only way cain wins is via unanimous decision. i'll be shocked if he gets a sub or KO's brock. he just needs to work his game, survive on the ground and outwork brock. he's the better striker. he can outlast brock. i don't care what shape brock is in...that's a big gas tank. he needs a lot of oxygen and there's more potential for lactic buildup. he's gonna start to feel it if it goes beyond 3 rounds.

as far as brock, if he wins, i see it being in the 3rd round or earlier via ground n pound. both fighters obviously have to be on the top of their games. Plus, why the hell do people name their male offspring's Dana?

also, is anyone else tired of white's ugly mug in the background of every weigh-in? go away!

White is such a F8cking tool. He just seems like a prick all the way with his gay ass smug look.

[ErhnamDjinn]

http://mmaaddicts.com/dann/ufc-121-lesnar-velasquez/jake-shields-martin-kampmann.JPG
Shields and Kampmann

http://mmaaddicts.com/dann/ufc-121-lesnar-velasquez/diego-sanchez-paulo-thiago.JPG
Sanchez and Thiago

http://mmaaddicts.com/dann/ufc-121-lesnar-velasquez/tito-ortiz-matt-hamill.JPG
Ortiz and Hamill

http://mmaaddicts.com/dann/ufc-121-lesnar-velasquez/gabriel-gonzaga.JPG
the return of man bear pig

http://mmaaddicts.com/dann/ufc-121-lesnar-velasquez/gilbert-yvel.JPG

Damn Yvel looks like some guy I dont ever want to mess with.

[hateraid]

Anyone know a good link to a pool site?

[DonDadda59]

Someone school me on Velasquez, haven't seen a single fight of his.

Is his stamina anywhere as poor as Carwin's? If he hadn't gassed so early (and if the ref had stopped it when he should've), Shane would've won easily and handled Brock. Don't think his standup is anything impressive, but obviously when he gets you on the ground you're in a world of trouble.

[DirtBag]

Someone school me on Velasquez, haven't seen a single fight of his.

Is his stamina anywhere as poor as Carwin's? If he hadn't gassed so early (and if the ref had stopped it when he should've), Shane would've won easily and handled Brock. Don't think his standup is anything impressive, but obviously when he gets you on the ground you're in a world of trouble.

From what I understand Velasquez has some amazing cardio.

[Jackass18]

Someone school me on Velasquez, haven't seen a single fight of his.

Is his stamina anywhere as poor as Carwin's?

He's only had 1 fight go past the 2nd round. I'd recommend watching the Velasquez/Kongo fight. It's the only fight where you'd get any idea about his cardio.

[ErhnamDjinn]

He's only had 1 fight go past the 2nd round. I'd recommend watching the Velasquez/Kongo fight. It's the only fight where you'd get any idea about his cardio.
not only cardio but ability to come back from a big hit from a hard punching striker, he gets knockdown i think twice yet gets back up and manages to take Kongo down until he wears him out.

[Brujesino]

About 3 days ago i had a dream of me watching this fight.I had all my mexican gear on and my room was filled with the mexican colors i even had a cain walkout shirt,mexican flag on my right fist too:oldlol:

Fight started well ,cain on the attack he corners brock against the cage,he rocks him with a right he throws punches in bunches then BAM!!! Lesnar out of nowhere KO's Cain with a big right hand.

I woke up terrified:oldlol:

[Brujesino]

Iam picking Cain,Thiago,Kampmann,Hamil,Gonzaga.

also hope that Yvel wins his fight with a KO

[Reef]

I'll go with Brock (although I hope Cain wins), Thiago, Shields (hope Hitman wins though), Tito (hope Hamill wins), and Schaub.

[Skywalker]

not only cardio but ability to come back from a big hit from a hard punching striker, he gets knockdown i think twice yet gets back up and manages to take Kongo down until he wears him out.

wait a second... ROFL

kongo knocked this dude down twice and people think he can beat lesnar?

[Brujesino]

wait a second... ROFL

kongo knocked this dude down twice and people think he can beat lesnar?
Kongo is much better striker then lesnar:confusedshrug:

[Reef]

Kongo is much better striker then lesnar:confusedshrug:

Ya, Brock's striking is terrible, although if he does connect, it could be lights out. Kongo is a K1 level striker but Cain recovered very quickly from the strikes.

[Brujesino]

Ya, Brock's striking is terrible, although if he does connect, it could be lights out. Kongo is a K1 level striker but Cain recovered very quickly from the strikes.
I dont buy its lights out if he connects, he connected with Couture and Herring really good and didnt KO them,although i dont want to jinx it because they are 4 ounce gloves.

[phelix2000]

I do not see how Velasquez beats Lesnar. Lesnar is too big and too strong for an undersized heavyweight like Velasquez.

[DGARAS]

Am I the only one more than interested in seeing Shields get destroyed by Kampmann?

I hope he gets obliterated.

[Jackass18]

also hope that Yvel wins his fight with a KO

Why? I hope the scum loses and gets the boot.

[Qwyjibo]

Am I the only one more than interested in seeing Shields get destroyed by Kampmann?

I hope he gets obliterated.
I don't mind Shields but I'd also like to see him get brought back down to Earth in this fight.

[Jackass18]

Kongo is a K1 level striker

Based on what?

[Reef]

Based on what?

His kickboxing and muay thai, although he doesn't use it as much now because it leaves him open for a takedown.

[Brujesino]

cote got raped.

[Brujesino]

Why? I hope the scum loses and gets the boot.
well he got ko'd in under 2 min:oldlol: pretty sure he will be gone

[Brujesino]

The crowd is really into this:applause:

I think iam gonna have to order this instead of watching it online

[Fudge]

Anybody have a link?

[Shep]

linkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk pwease :(

[Brujesino]

http://atdhe.net/25071/watch-ufc-121-lesnar-vs-velasquez

veetle is required

[Jackass18]

Nice performance by Lawlor.

[DaGreen]

http://www.realsportz.net/watch/33513/2/watch-ufc-121-:-lesnar-vs-velasquez.html

[elinss86]

http://atdhe.net/25071/watch-ufc-121-lesnar-vs-velasquez

veetle is required

thanks

[Captain Kirk]

"FIGHTING!...out of the red corner." Jesus someone needs to calm down on the redbull. He scared the hell out of me lol

[Brujesino]

looks like gonzaga is scared.He might get ko'd

[sunsfan1357]

Gonzaga got lucky the bell rang

[DGARAS]

What a fight. Great start to the night. Prelim were good and this fight so far is great.

[Brujesino]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

gonzaga raised his hands

[Qwyjibo]

Shaub knows he is winning so far. Just jabbing in the 3rd round.

Both takedown attempts were awful though. What was he thinking?

[Captain Kirk]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

gonzaga raised his hands

Yeah I'm like :facepalm :oldlol:

[Jackass18]

GG is now 3-5 since beating Cro Cop.

[ErhnamDjinn]

lolz at Gonzaga I will apply my supermissions:oldlol:

Btw did he lose?

[blacknapalm]

matt hamill sparring with butterbean lookalike :oldlol:

[ErhnamDjinn]

wow didnt notice big john is also reffing here

[tontoz]

Dam adthe just got disabled. :(

[blacknapalm]

how good is hamill's takedown defense? i haven't seen more than a couple of his fights. could be the x factor.

[Captain Kirk]

Dam adthe just got disabled. :(
http://adminstreams.tk/

[DGARAS]

It's like watching football players trying to play soccer. No business standing up. I'd rather see a wrestling match.

[tontoz]

http://adminstreams.tk/


Thanks!

[Captain Kirk]

It's a wrap for the bad boy.

[Brujesino]

great fight hamil:applause:

Ortiz should retire

[Jackass18]

The student beats the teacher.

[Brujesino]

The Undertaker!!!!:banana:

[Captain Kirk]

The Undertaker!!!!:banana:

FIGHTING! in the dead corner.

[Brujesino]

FIGHTING! in the dead corner.
:oldlol:

[Captain Kirk]

Diego is scary

[DirtBag]

FIGHTING! in the dead corner.
:lol

[Patrick Chewing]

http://adminstreams.tk/

Doesn't work at all for me

[DGARAS]

"OH SNAP!"

:roll:

[Captain Kirk]

Doesn't work at all for me
Weird, try "tvembed.com"

[DGARAS]

My favorite ring girls.

http://www.see-pictures.com/banned/AliSonoma/ali-sonoma-1.jpg

[blacknapalm]

sanchez with the perfect ass-on-face mount

[DGARAS]

Perfect fight. Fight of the night.

[blacknapalm]

beast throwdown!

[Qwyjibo]

Fantastic fight so far.

[Brujesino]

Holy Crap that was a great fight

[Jackass18]

Almost forgot how good Diego can be.

[blacknapalm]

diego! wow, fight of the night easily. count had the best comeback.

[Brujesino]

Diego just give shout out to Jesus Christ:pimp:

[Qwyjibo]

I have a feeling Shields will just smother Kampmann for 3 rounds and take the UD.

[Brujesino]

I have a feeling Shields will just smother Kampmann for 3 rounds and take the UD.
:oldlol:

[Qwyjibo]

Diego just give shout out to Jesus Christ:pimp:
Yea that was a shame. Give yourself some credit and not some dude from 2000 years ago that is supposed to magically reappear one day.

[DGARAS]

I have a feeling Shields will just smother Kampmann for 3 rounds and take the UD.


And it begins...

[Brujesino]

Yea that was a shame. Give yourself some credit and not some dude from 2000 years ago that is supposed to magically reappear one day.
shit was funny as hell

Jesus Christ,We did it!:oldlol:

[Brujesino]

Sheilds looks tired

[Qwyjibo]

It feels weird actually seeing Shields in the UFC. Good though. He's a talent. I'd probably be more interested to see him go up against the middleweights though.

[Captain Kirk]

Kampmann keeps trying to piledrive him lol

[DGARAS]

He has neutralized every takedown and countless dominant positions that Shields had. He has landed some huge knees to the head, and the damage is clearly more heavy on Shields' side.

We'll see what happens this round.

[Qwyjibo]

How do you score that round? Kampmann had a couple shots that did more damage than anything else in the fight but Shields had positional control for most of the round.

[DirtBag]

Yea that was a shame. Give yourself some credit and not some dude from 2000 years ago that is supposed to magically reappear one day.

Reminds me of the family guy episode where someone thanks Jesus on an award show. Jesus gets a phone call and he says I know I saw :lol

[Jackass18]

That must have been a hell of a weight cut for Shields.

[Qwyjibo]

After this, I can't even fathom Shields going 5 rounds vs GSP.

[Brujesino]

that fight sucked the excitment out of this card

[blacknapalm]

shields should have stayed at 185

[Zombles]

After this, I can't even fathom Shields going 5 rounds vs GSP.

he couldn't, i'm not sure Shields can fight at 170 anymore it's been years and he gassed in a round and a half.

[MeloMike]

So this is the guy that's getting a shot at GSP?

Not impressed.

[ErhnamDjinn]

crap i tuning out of sherdog first hehehe you guys are ahead of me by one match

[Jackass18]

Shields might want to rethink 170. He can't fight GSP with that gas tank.

[DGARAS]

They need to change judging, completely.

Why should you get more points if you take someone down, but you don't award someone for neutralizing a dominant position? I don't get it. Second round was close, but I would have given it to Kamp. Those kicks to the body and two massive head kicks were huge. He gave him a damn bloody nose and Shields wasn't the same after that.

Kampmann should have been the winner.

[Zombles]

So this is the guy that's getting a shot at GSP?

Not impressed.

Only because GSP is going to go on a rematch tour otherwise, Fitch after Kos then who the hell knows.

But GSP is a horrible style matchup for Shields, it would look like GSP-Fitch.

[Jackass18]

No way should Kampmann have won.

[Qwyjibo]

he couldn't, i'm not sure Shields can fight at 170 anymore it's been years and he gassed in a round and a half.
The UFC is just desperate to have anyone to even hype up as a contender to GSP at this point. It was the same thing with Silva until the Sonnen fight where he looked vulnerable for the first time (albeit vs a roided up opponent). Shields vs Silva would be a more competitive matchup.

Goddamn it Brock, pronounce "Velasquez" properly just ONCE. It's starting to piss me off.

[Zombles]

They need to change judging, completely.

Why should you get more points if you take someone down, but you don't award someone for neutralizing a dominant position? I don't get it. Second round was close, but I would have given it to Kamp. Those kicks to the body and two massive head kicks were huge. He gave him a damn bloody nose and Shields wasn't the same after that.

Kampmann should have been the winner.

Kampmann should have stood up after stuffing Shields's shots not tried to hit a d'arce choke on an elite BJJ black belt.

Has no one to blame but himself.

[mattevans11]

No way should Kampmann have won.


my thoughts exactly....

what the hell did kampman do to win the fight?

shields, being tired as hell. still put him into spots he did not want to be

[Captain Kirk]

Here comes the pain

[Brujesino]

my thoughts exactly....

what the hell did kampman do to win the fight?

shields, being tired as hell. still put him into spots he did not want to be
yup

[DGARAS]

What the hell did Shields do to win the fight?

[SavageMode]

crap i tuning out of sherdog first hehehe you guys are ahead of me by one match
Yo do you happen to have a link to what your on to watch it... I am missin out ! :(

[Brujesino]

If Cain loses iam gonna cry for a week

Si se puede!!!!

[mongePR(kb24)]

im not a big MMA follower.. Whos the underdog between lesnar and cain ?

[Zombles]

Cain is the betting dog, most MMA insiders are picking him to win though. It's pretty close to 50/50 either way.

epic beard.

[Brujesino]

please god or whoever let cain win!

[DGARAS]

Cain's dog meat.

[Brujesino]

heart pounding too much

[DirtBag]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO started off with a bang!

[The Big Skinny]

link me mine just went out

[Brujesino]

come on cain

[Brujesino]

Ccain

[Brujesino]

Viva Mexico!!!!!

[Captain Kirk]

Wtf Brock

[Jackass18]

Lesnar looked pretty damn awkward in that fight.

[IcanzIIravor]

Cain is a straight up beast.

[Patrick Chewing]

ohhhhh snap

[bigkingsfan]

Rape on live TV!

[Brujesino]

Cain!!!!

[mongePR(kb24)]

whosss next!!!!

[blacknapalm]

my god, lesnar cannot get into full guard on his back. rolling around in the fetal position is not a defense technique.

[MeloMike]

That, on the other hand, was extremely impressive.

Congrats to Cain

[Qwyjibo]

Damn. What happened there?

Great job by Cain. He came out under control, fought his fight and deserved the win.

Strange fight from Brock. He came out charging and seemed to have little left after the first few shots. His usual sloppy striking was back too. Big hole in his game.

[Captain Kirk]

That was lame. Like Brock wasn't even trying to fight, wtf.

[DirtBag]

That is a gnarly ****in gash on Brock's face

[Zombles]

damn. Brock really can't handle getting hit.

[IcanzIIravor]

Rape on live TV!

Lesnar got schooled. He came out much to wild and hyper. Cain just kept his cool. Straight beast.

[Styles p]

seeing lesnar get knocked the **** out just made my night better.

[DGARAS]

Cain's dog meat.

Guess not!

[IcanzIIravor]

Damn. What happened there?

Great job by Cain. He came out under control, fought his fight and deserved the win.

Strange fight from Brock. He came out charging and seemed to have little left after the first few shots. His usual sloppy striking was back too. Big hole in his game.

Brock came out like he had a dinner reservation lined up and only had a few minutes to get to it. :oldlol:

[Patrick Chewing]

Wtf Brock

He didn't look right leading up to that fight and in the ring

[IcanzIIravor]

Well, pro wrestling haters gonna hate.

Shave your beard, Brock. You may get better if you do that!

:lol Yeh what the hell was with the beard? Like he was about to shortly get his Evan Almighty on.

[Captain Kirk]

Man...I feel kind of sick now

[Brujesino]

iam so happy!!!!!

[Brujesino]

Man...I feel kind of sick now
Viva Mexico!!!!

[Patrick Chewing]

So Cain's next opponent?

http://mmajunkie.com/dyn/images/fighters/junior-dos-santos-2.jpg

[tontoz]

Wow major props to Cain. Everyone knew that Brocks standup was his weakness but he is such a beast it is hard to make him pay. Cain was able to stay on his feet, getting up quickly even after being taken down. That is what won him the fight.

[Skywalker]

that definitely wasn't brock at his best WTF hope he comes back and has a good fight vs velasquez

[HisJoeness]

Wooooow. Mexicans everywhere are going to try and point out the biggest white ***** they can find and try to give them the fade.

[Brujesino]

So Cain's next opponent?

http://mmajunkie.com/dyn/images/fighters/junior-dos-santos-2.jpg
yup, this is the real best UFC heavyweight

Cain vs JDS is gonna be beast

[Brujesino]

Wooooow. Mexicans everywhere are going to try and point out the biggest white ***** they can find and try to give them the fade.
Iam coming after you!

[DGARAS]

[Brock nut hugger]Well, the extra hair on his face lead to him getting overheated. When the brain overheats, it just doesn't let you think straight.[/Brock nut hugger]

At least that's what I think they'll say. Oh, and that he didn't lose as fast as Fedor! And that he can still take Fedor out, apparently.

Fedor vs Cain. Make it happen one day.

[Poodle]

Brock gassed in the 1st from what i saw. i knew he'd get exposed sooner or later. Cain's really good tho.

[Stinky Dog]

awesome card...

lesnar vs velasquez - lesnar is a beast and proven to be an elite fighter but Velasquez is a whole new breed of fighter in my opinion. i truly believe he could down as the greatest and he'll prove this come Saturday night. he's an elite wrestler but a far more fluid striker and just a smoother fighter. pound for pound hes the strongest human being i've ever seen compete in combat sports. anyone who follows the sport is well aware that he's never come close to gassing and probably has the greatest cardio in the HW division. he has a huge edge in the striking department and with his wrestling background, lesnar will have a really hard time taking him down. lesnar couldn't take down a fresh carwin and cain is 10x the fighter carwin is. cain is the new breed.

shields vs kampman - shields is a total stud. kampman is very well rounded but shields takedowns and ground and pound/top game will present all sorts of problems. shields top game straight up smothers people. he's the best threat to GSP in the division and has a legit chance to dethrone him. he's in the mix for top pound for pound fighters in the sport. he'll grind out a win versus kampman.

diego sanchez vs paulo thiago - fight looks to be a great one on paper. one fighter is hyper aggressive (sanchez) while Thiago is very methodical and picks his spots. i like thiago to stop the fight via strikes but it wouldn't surprise me at all to see sanchez grind out a decision.

ortiz vs hammil - hard to root for tito. i think he'll have a slight edge in striking and their both very good but not great wrestlers. should be a decision either way. will be rooting hard for hammil.

schaub vs gonzaga - don't blink. i like gonzaga to put down schaub.
bump

[Captain Kirk]

Wooooow. Mexicans everywhere are going to try and point out the biggest white ***** they can find and try to give them the fade.

:roll:

[Brujesino]

that definitely wasn't brock at his best WTF hope he comes back and has a good fight vs velasquez
that was him at his best,brock was just never a great heavyweight

[flipogb]

if Carwin had any stamina, he would have won in the same fashion

[Qwyjibo]

JDS didn't look too great vs Roy Nelson. Cain should win that fight.

[blacknapalm]

Wow major props to Cain. Everyone knew that Brocks standup was his weakness but he is such a beast it is hard to make him pay. Cain was able to stay on his feet, getting up quickly even after being taken down. That is what won him the fight.

cain's lower leg strength and hips are top notch. brock needs to learn to keep his opponent's body closer to him. the dude couldn't even swing his hips and go to half guard. he just rolled around. :lol i don't know if he was tired or what, but cain was just able to tee off on him.

[Stinky Dog]

lol you guys are delusional. lesnar is going to get worked. obviously he can win but velasquez is clearly a superior fighter and EASILY the best fighter Lesnar has ever been in the ring with. he is a completely different animal, I can't wait to bump this thread after Cain puts a stop to this nonsense. lesnar is a bull and is definitely legit but Velasquez is a much more fluid fighter and a terrible match up for him and ANYONE. his wrestling is just as good as Brock's. he will be able to stuff Brocks powerful double legs (no easy task), and if he does get taken down he'll be able to scramble. his cardio gives him a huge edge not to mention he's extremely powerful on the feet and much more techincal. his chin is excellent too. he either puts Brock away early or he outlasts him deep.

Velasquez will prove he's the best fighter in the UFC Saturday.

BOOK IT.
bump ^^^^

[Brujesino]

bump
Pffffttt ive had the brown pride title for longer then your post

but


WE WON!!!

[Skywalker]

that was him at his best,brock was just never a great heavyweight

nah he seemed off balance, maybe even nervous which is weird

[DGARAS]

Back to the Shields-Kampmann fight discussion.

I still believe that a fighter should be credited for his successful takedown defense and especially when he gets out of unfavorable positions in the ground.

Grappling aggression... Apparently that only counts for takedowns? That is a load of bullshit. They need to broaden the judging criteria.

[Patrick Chewing]

yup, this is the real best UFC heavyweight

Cain vs JDS is gonna be beast

Yeah JDS is scary even though he didn't impress in his last fight. If people thought Cain was quick on his feet, JDS is quicker and strikes harder. Either way, should make for a great match.

[Brujesino]

nah he seemed off balance, maybe even nervous which is weird
which is how he was agianst carwin and mir,couture in the stand up game

[SavageMode]

Damn Lesnar got raped. Bad defense compared to his other fights though.

[Skywalker]

which is how he was agianst carwin and mir,couture in the stand up game

meh, Velasquez is so powerful it's kinda crazy I can't imagine gettin punched by that guy

[IcanzIIravor]

nah he seemed off balance, maybe even nervous which is weird

I think he respected Cain's stamina and thought that if he didn't try to go for broke the edge would clearly go to Cain the longer the fight lasted. His mistake was that he lacks controlled aggression and thus a guy like Cain can keep his cool and get his own shots in while moving enough to make a guy like Lesnar miss or not connect with a clean shot. Brock got schooled and he had better up his game and bring in a top notch team.

[Patrick Chewing]

Brock just fought the quickest fighter he's ever faced so there's your answer. Tried and tried to take him and down and when he did, Cain was up on his feet in a second.

Brock's more comfortable at 285, but I know that's not allowed in the UFC.

[Jackass18]

JDS is next, but I want to see him fight:

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb213/jabsngrabs/AlistairOvereem.jpg

[sunsfan1357]

Well I was trying to watch the fight via stream. Internet goes out. Modem is in someone else's room which is locked and he's not home. By the time i break into his room and fix it the fight is over. Shit.

Are there any links to the fight yet?

[Skywalker]

JDS is next, but I want to see him fight:

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb213/jabsngrabs/AlistairOvereem.jpg

whos that it looks like cain had a baby with kevin johnson

[DGARAS]

Could anybody imagine if Ubereem and Fedor make their way to UFC? The heavyweight division would be the most incredible the sport has ever seen. It's pretty much there already.

[Brujesino]

whos that it looks like cain had a baby with kevin johnson
new to mma?not a insult but its kinda clear by you saying lesnar wasnt himself and not knowing who he is.

Its Alistair Overeem,Strikeforce HW Champ

[Lebron23]

What an upset. Cain is a beast.

[Jackass18]

Back to the Shields-Kampmann fight discussion.

I still believe that a fighter should be credited for his successful takedown defense and especially when he gets out of unfavorable positions in the ground.

Kampmann lost because he didn't fight intelligently, didn't go after Shields while he was exhausted and got outworked by an exhausted opponent. Why should getting out of a bad spot count that much? You're stopping your opponent from scoring with control in a dominant position, but outside of that why should you score that much for escaping?

[Skywalker]

new to mma?not a insult but its kinda clear by you saying lesnar wasnt himself and not knowing who he is.

Its Alistair Overeem,Strikeforce HW Champ

i only watch cards with silva gsp or lesnar

[DGARAS]

Kampmann lost because he didn't fight intelligently, didn't go after Shields while he was exhausted and got outworked by an exhausted opponent. Why should getting out of a bad spot count that much? You're stopping your opponent from scoring with control in a dominant position, but outside of that why should you score that much for escaping?

Just saying that it should be close to offsetting someone's dominant positions. Takedowns should still count though. Getting out of mounts should count for something.

I'd count his 5+ body kicks and 2 huge head kicks that crumbled Shields for moments above measly takedowns that Kampmann eventually squeezed his way out of.

Edit: This is about the second round only. First round is 100% Shields' round. 3rd I'd say is Kamp's. 2nd could go either way.

[blacknapalm]

i only watch cards with silva gsp or lesnar

you should watch more. there's plenty of great fighters/fights out there. it's cool to have your favorites though.

aside from what i said, brock needs to learn how to take a punch better. he either runs off and gets off balance or drops down and just covers up. he'll never be champ again with that strategy. he needs to work on his footwork to move in and out of situations. he doesn't have youth on his side either so it's gonna be a challenge. i have a feeling we'll get mir vs. lesnar III but i'd much rather see carwin vs. lesnar II.

props to cain. at least lesnar was gracious in a loss.

[DGARAS]

Was watching this Andy Hug highlight. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KltbxRVP0gU

Pretty crazy how good he was.

Pride had a lot of kickboxers and UFC has a lot of wrestlers. Just something I noticed.

[Jackass18]

Just saying that it should be close to offsetting someone's dominant positions. Takedowns should still count though. Getting out of mounts should count for something.

Getting out of mount counts for nothing in grappling so why should it count for anything in MMA? You shouldn't have been in that bad of a spot in the first place so you don't get anything for getting out of it.

[Qwyjibo]

So what's next for Brock? Lesnar-Mir 3? Finish that series off?

[Brujesino]

So what's next for Brock? Lesnar-Mir 3? Finish that series off?
hhmmm its definetly intresting.They could do Brock vs Big Nog

[DGARAS]

Getting out of mount counts for nothing in grappling so why should it count for anything in MMA? You shouldn't have been in that bad of a spot in the first place so you don't get anything for getting out of it.

Not saying they should give points for it, but if Shields lands a dominant position, and 20 seconds later Kamp gets out of it, why should Shields receive more points?

It's like a fighter landing a huge punch and the other fighter countering right away for a big one. Who should get the points?

[Patrick Chewing]

So what's next for Brock? Lesnar-Mir 3? Finish that series off?

Brock draws big money so I'm guessing the winner of Cain/Dos Santos. Mir might get another shot soon enough though.

[ErhnamDjinn]

hhmmm its definetly intresting.They could do Brock vs Big Nog
I dont want Big Nog to die, he no longer has it in him to fight huge HW's

[Qwyjibo]

Brock draws big money so I'm guessing the winner of Cain/Dos Santos. Mir might get another shot soon enough though.
I think for that reason they might want to give Brock a softer fight than Mir. Make sure he stays relevant at the top. Like the other guy mentioned, Big Nog maybe? He's on the downslope of his career and IMO Brock would overpower him.

[ErhnamDjinn]

Damn Lesnar got raped. Bad defense compared to his other fights though.
bad defense I think its been proven Brock doesnt like getting hit in the face, this is the 2nd fight in a row he's turtled up, he was luck Shane gassed the last time.

[Jackass18]

Not saying they should give points for it, but if Shields lands a dominant position, and 20 seconds later Kamp gets out of it, why should Shields receive more points?

It's like a fighter landing a huge punch and the other fighter countering right away for a big one. Who should get the points?

It's not like that at all. You score for getting to mount and getting control for however long you hold it while you don't get anything for escaping back to half guard. You score for landing a huge punch while your opponent would also score for countering with a big blow. In one situation, 1 guy is scoring while the other isn't and in the other situation, both are scoring. It's more like if a fighter were to punch his opponent, rock him, but he's able to recover, then he doesn't get anything for recovering while the other guy scores for rocking him.

[DGARAS]

It's not like that at all. You score for getting to mount and getting control for however long you hold it while you don't get anything for escaping back to half guard. You score for landing a huge punch while your opponent would also score for countering with a big blow. In one situation, 1 guy is scoring while the other isn't and in the other situation, both are scoring. It's more like if a fighter were to punch his opponent, rock him, but he's able to recover, then he doesn't get anything for recovering while the other guy scores for rocking him.

Maybe. I'm saying that they should change the judging system for MMA.

[heyhey]

It's not like that at all. You score for getting to mount and getting control for however long you hold it while you don't get anything for escaping back to half guard. You score for landing a huge punch while your opponent would also score for countering with a big blow. In one situation, 1 guy is scoring while the other isn't and in the other situation, both are scoring. It's more like if a fighter were to punch his opponent, rock him, but he's able to recover, then he doesn't get anything for recovering while the other guy scores for rocking him.

yea getting a takedown is just like rocking your opponent...:facepalm Getting dominant positions without further passing guards or acutally doing damage from those positions shouldn't be worth much points since the guard position is more of a neutral position than anything else since the guy on bottom has almost as many tools to end the fight as theguy on top, more if it's a top jj player.

The ufc/ north american rules have been bad for MMA no questions. Bring back yellow cards from Pride, Knees and soccer kicks on the ground if we want some real mma.

[Stinky Dog]

lol you guys are delusional. lesnar is going to get worked. obviously he can win but velasquez is clearly a superior fighter and EASILY the best fighter Lesnar has ever been in the ring with. he is a completely different animal, I can't wait to bump this thread after Cain puts a stop to this nonsense. lesnar is a bull and is definitely legit but Velasquez is a much more fluid fighter and a terrible match up for him and ANYONE. his wrestling is just as good as Brock's. he will be able to stuff Brocks powerful double legs (no easy task), and if he does get taken down he'll be able to scramble. his cardio gives him a huge edge not to mention he's extremely powerful on the feet and much more techincal. his chin is excellent too. he either puts Brock away early or he outlasts him deep.

Velasquez will prove he's the best fighter in the UFC Saturday.

BOOK IT.
im too good sometimes

[Brujesino]

im too good sometimes
I LOVE YOU TOO!!!!

[RedBlackAttack]

im too good sometimes
I've been saying for well over a year that Lesnar was bound to be exposed... And soon. His standup is just putrid and he is far too one-dimensional to be considered the unbeatable force that many claimed him to be.

This isn't the first time that he has gotten his face tattooed, bloodied and bludgeoned. In fact, it is becoming a bit of a trend.

Bottom line, if Lesnar doesn't get you on your back where he can use his strength to gain control and work for the choke, he is in big trouble. Guys are beginning to figure this out and I see Lesnar bound for a career as a pretty good, not great fighter.

There have been countless other heavyweights that burst on to the scene with impressive victories that, when their flaws were exposed, turned into much more ordinary fighters with semi-mediocre careers.

The only difference is, Lesnar was being treated as if he is the second-coming because of his popularity in WWF/WWE and his tough guy image/crazy rocked up build. Because of these factors, Dana White did everything he could to market this guy as the greatest heavyweight who has ever lived (lol) and his legions of fans proclaimed it so.

Unfortunately, the guy's fights just didn't live up to those kinds of proclamations. Even his recent wins were less than impressive and/or dominating.

The myth of Lesnar was slowly giving way to the reality for the last year+. Tonight just re-affirmed what I had already figured out.... Good fighter, not great.

[Jackass18]

yea getting a takedown is just like rocking your opponent...

I said more like.


Getting dominant positions without further passing guards or acutally doing damage from those positions shouldn't be worth much points

Yes, getting dominant position and getting control should be worth points.

[evilmonkey]

im too good sometimes

:cheers:

[2LeTTeRS]

Did Taker just ask Brock "do you wanna do it"? Guess he was sent by Vince to see if they could lure Lesnar back to the WWE. If he gets another loss or 2 I could see him going back where the paychecks are more guaranteed.

And to a lesser extent the same can be said for Bobby Lashley.

[Hazard]

When I saw Lesnar with his horrible man beard I thought he had the fight in the bag, but he got too cocky and put too much faith in the beard and ultimately that lost him the fight.

[redhonda76]

Brock's standup game was already exposed by Mir and Corwin fight and also Brock can't take the hit. Brock is going to work very hard on training. Opponents now know how to fight him.

[TMacsOneGoodEye]

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q83/Mattiasblogger/UFC121/VelasquezLesnar8.gif

haha look how composed Cain is. Just calmly following Brock around the cage while he makes an idiot of himself. Then when he's finished he punches him in the face 19 times.

Oh god Brock is garbage. If he can't use his size/strength to smother, he just gets his shit pushed in. I only wish I was Fedor that wrecked him.

I love Brocktober!

[hateraid]

As much as the success of my sales relies on Brock's wins, I am actually kind of glad he did lose. Brock is put on a major pedastool which now nobody can deny he was knocked off. No excuse for this loss this time. Not only Brock losing did that, it all of a sudden made Fedor relevant again.

I've always said Fedor could beat Brock but Brock supporters are so quick to stuff that notion. He's a better striker than Velasquez and much more ring savy.

[hateraid]

just didnt agree with his beginning rush
love how composed and poised cain was, there was no way he was going to over exert himself or get gassed

wut a cool f*ckin cucumber

If Carwin would have had that same approach he would have been champ.

[redhonda76]

If Carwin would have had that same approach he would have been champ.

Yeah but the problem is that Carwin has zero stamina. Cain said himself that he was training for this match to go 5 rounds , that implies he's got great cardio.

[hateraid]

Yeah but the problem is that Carwin has zero stamina. Cain said himself that he was training for this match to go 5 rounds , that implies he's got great cardio.

Carwin has good stamina. He trains in Denver and was a distance runner and a hurdler.
He had a panic attack in the ring which drained his adrenals. Had he been calm like Cain, he would have maintained his stamina throughout the fight.