Fact: Kobe Bryant will have his worse season since 97-98

[Reverend Hoops]

That knee is going to be a huge problem this year.

Under 43% FG guaranteed.

[G-Funk]

want a cookie?

[noob cake]

That knee is going to be a huge problem this year.

Under 43% FG guaranteed.

May be his season of great decline, even experienced by the real GOAT before him.

[PowerGlove]

The season would be mad boring if that happens.

[SinJackal]

I wouldn't call it a "fact", but it's a possibility due to his current health issues.

Actually, I highly doubt he averages under 20 PPG. Maybe worst season since '01-'02 being possible. Dunno about him being any worse than that.

Guards don't magically lose their offensive game overnight. Especially guards who mainly shoot contested jumpers. The offensive game is one of the last things to go on a player. Jumpshooters are one of the last types of players to fade out.

Which means it's unlikely Kobe's going to see significant dropoff from any season to season basis unless his minutes drop significantly.

The worst I see him doing is 24-25 PPG on 44% or so. He isn't gonna do any worse than that unless significantly injured.

[Calabis]

I wouldn't call it a "fact", but it's a possibility due to his current health issues.

Actually, I highly doubt he averages under 20 PPG. Maybe worst season since '01-'02 being possible. Dunno about him being any worse than that.

Guards don't magically lose their offensive game overnight. Especially guards who mainly shoot contested jumpers. The offensive game is one of the last things to go on a player. Jumpshooters are one of the last types of players to fade out.

Which means it's unlikely Kobe's going to see significant dropoff from any season to season basis unless his minutes drop significantly.

The worst I see him doing is 24-25 PPG on 44% or so. He isn't gonna do any worse than that unless significantly injured.
:applause:

[Maga_1]

I predict something like 21ppg.

[Willkill24]

31/6/6 :rockon:

[necya]

maybe by the stats, but he has experience.
and he is 32, it would be just normal, like everybody at this age.

[laronprofit9]

most likely similar to last year.

Except it will be last year in reverse.

For 09-10 Kobe was phenomenal in the first half of the season. He was averaging like 31ppg with 5rpg and 5apg on 48% shooting.

Then the rest of the way he went like 22ppg on 5rpg 5apg on 44%ish shooting.

This season will be reverse. He will start slowly, but then pick it up as his health improves. Most likely finishes around 27ppg 5rpg 5apg.

[Lakers13]

Still gonna drop something between 25-27 points a game.

[seoerizer]

31/6/6 :rockon:
You are insane.

[Willkill24]

You are insane.

You think it's not possible ?

[Jacks25]

As long as he stays healthy, it will be better another phenomenal 27/5/5/1.5/56% TS for Kobe. :applause:

[SourGrapes]

That knee is going to be a huge problem this year.

Under 43% FG guaranteed.

based on what? (other than wishful thinking)

seriously, give one reason that makes this credible... otherwise it's trolling like a b*tch

[Glide2keva]

I wouldn't go out on that limb.

Kobe is going to have a more average season. And lol @ Kobe groupies putting up insane numbers for Kobe.

[Allstar24]

That's absolutely not going to happen, guaranteed. You're basing this on what, his preseason performance? What a dumbass and what a dumb thread...but of course garbage like this don't get deleted here.

[Jacks25]

Kobe, just a couple of months ago in the 2010 playoffs.


29 PPG/6 APG/6 RPG/1.5 SPG/ 57% TS


He ain't going nowhere. :pimp:

[Bernie Nips]

I'd guess around 26/5/5 on 44%

Still great stats, just not as dominant as he used to be.

[G-train]

Kobe, just a couple of months ago in the 2010 playoffs.


29 PPG/6 APG/6 RPG/1.5 SPG/ 57% TS


He ain't going nowhere. :pimp:

Yeah but he had surgery since then hasn't he?

I can't seem him dipping too much if at all still.

[Jacks25]

And lol @ Kobe groupies putting up insane numbers for Kobe.

27/5/5 is pretty much the typical Kobe season. What are you babbling on about?

:rolleyes:

[ihatetimthomas]

I think he will average between 24-25 ppg because he will likely start off the season slowly, and he has more help than last year. Barnes is going to be a huge addition, and he will be a better backup for Kobe than he has had in recent years.

[SourGrapes]

Yeah but he had surgery since then hasn't he?

I can't seem him dipping too much if at all still.

the surgery will improve his knee. it just needs to get stronger.

he put up those numbers while dealing with an injured knee that required surgery. this was not a step backwards for him

[SavageMode]

Once you reach the peak... you can only go decline.

[Apocalyptic0n3]

He may have his worse season in years, but his worst season is still better than 99% of players' best seasons. So take that how you will.

[OhNoTimNoSho]

Do people really not know what a fact is?

[step_back]

I'd take Kobe on one bad knee over most shooting guards in the league. Even if he doesn't rack up as many points he still requires a defender all the time to guard him.

Kobe can also be effective as a distributor, scoring isn't his only skill.

[bballer]

http://i35.tinypic.com/*******.gif

[Showtime]

27/5/5 is pretty much the typical Kobe season. What are you babbling on about?

:rolleyes:
They are babbling about Kobe's health not being "typical", therefore not to expect "typical" numbers, moron.

[Jacks25]

They are babbling about Kobe's health not being "typical", therefore not to expect "typical" numbers, moron.

I see no reason for Kobe not to be healthy this year. 2010 was an aberration. Hell, he's healthy right now. He just needs to get his conditioning back up to speed. Besides, he put up 27/5/5 in 2010 and wasn't healthy for the last 4 months of the season. :confusedshrug:

[G-Funk]

He will be 48% from the field.

[Fatal9]

Fact: Kobe Bryant will have his worse season since 97-98
http://i35.tinypic.com/*******.gif

[no pun intended]

I believe as Kobe gets older, the more assists he will average. With more reliability on his teammates due to his aging, Kobe will start to become more of a facilitator, especially around Gasol since he is consistent. If Kobe does slow down on his shooting, he will try to contribute the whatever he can for his team of course. Knowing how to pass does not slow down as you age, it just takes intelligence, which grows wiser as you age.

[Bring-Your-Js]

You people are imbeciles.

Are you watching him play?? :facepalm

[Samurai Swoosh]

http://i35.tinypic.com/*******.gif
:oldlol:

[YAWN]

:lol

[Willkill24]

:roll:

[Bring-Your-Js]

21/8/6 on 60% @ The Half. :oldlol:

Dude is in TOTAL CONTROL of what's going on here. Totally effortless.

[Doranku]

http://i35.tinypic.com/*******.gif

:roll: Repped.

[Blue.Legend]

http://i35.tinypic.com/*******.gif
OMG that is great. Ditto

Kobe is about to get his First triple double of the season.

25/9/12, with 2:25 remaining in the third quarter. His knee is totally bothering him.

[Replay32]

Kobe is still in his prime, on a stacked team, and in a system he's played 14 yrs in. The dude is at peace now since he's out of the shadow of Shaq. He will be a beast for a least another 2 years.

Also Gasol and odom being at their peaks doesn't hurt.

[G-Funk]

so who was saying he was done???

[1Time4YourMind]

LOL and he just got his 17th triple double, I think he's good for a few more years of top 5 play.

[The Iron Fist]

and to think,

people still doubt Kobe as being the best player in the game.

Comedy.

[1rkrage]

i loled :lol

[AirTupac]

Kobe wants you to leave him alone. Said it himself. :lol :lol

[The Choken One]

That knee is going to be a huge problem this year.

Under 43% FG guaranteed.

u trollin' brah?

[opps]

:lol We gotta keep bumping this thread throughout the season

[G-Funk]

:lol We gotta keep bumping this thread throughout the season


+1

[Braincells]

This guy has to be pissing in his pants by now.

[Jacks3]

He's going to have a better season than last year assuming he stays healthy.

30/12/10 tonight.


:pimp:

[Slam13]

If Kobe really wanted and played more minutes he would average like 35/10/10. It's not impossible just saying.

[Reverend Hoops]

When did I say he wasn't gonna score alot of points? He is shooting you guessed it 43% so far this year and it is still early.

[catch24]

When did I say he wasn't gonna score alot of points? He is shooting you guessed it 43% so far this year and it is still early.

Exactly.

[AI3Anthony]

Worst*

[Hulk Hogan]

When did I say he wasn't gonna score alot of points? He is shooting you guessed it 43% so far this year and it is still early.

Why u back-paddling brah?

[BEAST Griffin]

When did I say he wasn't gonna score alot of points? He is shooting you guessed it 43% so far this year and it is still early.

True.

He's shooting bad this year but still gets lots of points because he's chucking.

[Reverend Hoops]

Why u back-paddling brah?


That knee is going to be a huge problem this year.

Under 43% FG guaranteed.

How am I back peddling brah?

I am not a Kobe hater just stating what will happen to him this year.

[Reverend Hoops]

It is funny this thread only gets bumped when Kobe has a good game. :oldlol:

36% performance tonight should bring closer to below 43% for the season.

[B-Easy]

Kobe also isnt even trying on defense ...

I dont think hell have a worse season than the year after Shaq was traded .. I think it was 2005.

[StarJordan]

AT 32, MJ shot almost 50% and average 30 points per game and led the bulls to 72 record season which kobe has failed to match yet again. Bulls were 50-5 in 1995-96 season. Lakers are 13-5.

[tpols]

AT 32, MJ shot almost 50% and average 30 points per game and led the bulls to 72 record season which kobe has failed to match yet again. Bulls were 50-5 in 1995-96 season. Lakers are 13-5.
Kobe has way more minutes than MJ at 32 cuz he came straight outta HS.:no:

[ginobli2311]

Kobe has way more minutes than MJ at 32 cuz he came straight outta HS.:no:

and nutrition and sports medicine has come a long way since the days of jordan so these players should last longer.

also....playing in college takes a toll as well. not as big of course....but its still wear and tear.

i see kobe being great all the way until age 36.

[tpols]

and nutrition and sports medicine has come a long way since the days of jordan so these players should last longer.

also....playing in college takes a toll as well. not as big of course....but its still wear and tear.

i see kobe being great all the way until age 36.
hahaha nice excuse moron. Everyone's body breaks down with more minutes regardless of how 'good' their modern nutrition and medicine is. And no. College is not comparable to the nba.

[ginobli2311]

hahaha nice excuse moron. Everyone's body breaks down with more minutes regardless of how 'good' their modern nutrition and medicine is. And no. College is not comparable to the nba.

excuse for what? you seriously don't think advancements in nutrition and modern medicine won't allow players to play longer?

are you serious?

kobe will be great until he's 36. jordan was freak of nature. jordan was still great at age 39. i see no reason why kobe can't be great for a few more years.

[Hulk Hogan]

That knee is going to be a huge problem this year.

Under 43% FG guaranteed.
:rolleyes:

[N0Skillz]

and nutrition and sports medicine has come a long way since the days of jordan so these players should last longer.

also....playing in college takes a toll as well. not as big of course....but its still wear and tear.

i see kobe being great all the way until age 36.



Which has also greatly improved the quality of players in the NBA.

[chazzy]

Up to 45% now. Barring any nagging injuries, he should stay at around 45-46 for the rest of the season. The slow start was expected and consistent with his previous starts after arthroscopic surgery. The finger can still get aggravated from time to time, but it shouldn't be nearly as much of an issue as it was last year.

[Hulk Hogan]

Up to 45% now. Barring any nagging injuries, he should stay at around 45-46 for the rest of the season. The slow start was expected and consistent with his previous starts after arthroscopic surgery. The finger can still get aggravated from time to time, but it shouldn't be nearly as much of an issue as it was last year.

27points, 51% over the last 5 games.
I think he could average +47% this year if he doesn't get injured like last year.

[jtj5002]

kobe really does not give a flying money poop bout his fg%, like today in a blowout game he mess around with the ball for 15 sec, and then dribbles to halfcourt with 2 sec on the clock and airballs a 40 footer.

[laronprofit9]

27points, 51% over the last 5 games.
I think he could average +47% this year if he doesn't get injured like last year.

People always think that he'll finally shoot over the 47%fg mark for a season, than in the final like 10 games of the seasons, he goes for games like 4 for 17, 3 for 11, 6 for 23, 5 for 16, and then drops his fg% back into the 46%fg range.

The best example of this is the 2009 season. He was shooting close to 49%fg for the season by the month february. Somehow he managed to drop down to 46.7%fg.

Maybe its something Kobe will never break. But it doesn't really mean much. Since for the majority of the season he's around 47-48%fg, then just has some really bad couple of shooting nights in meaningless games that ruins it.

2009-2010 season, he started the season having his most efficient scoring season ever. Then his fingers, ankles and knees all suffered injuries. Causing him to wear down during the season. Eventually leading to off-season surgery.

Maybe this could be it, though who knows. His heath can only get better from this point not worse, which is a reverse of last season.

[Samurai Swoosh]

Well Kobe's still easily a top five player in the game and an MVP candidate thus far ...

[Mr. Jabbar]

the fail is strong in this thread

[MrJohnWall]

excuse for what? you seriously don't think advancements in nutrition and modern medicine won't allow players to play longer?

are you serious?

kobe will be great until he's 36. jordan was freak of nature. jordan was still great at age 39. i see no reason why kobe can't be great for a few more years.

lol @ Jordan being great at 39

I didnt know 20 points on 20 shots and 30 wins in the terrible east is great :(

[laronprofit9]

26.7 ppg 5.2 rpg 4.7 apg 45%fg/34%3p/84%ft in 33.1 mpg.

Updated stats.

Not his worst season.

[bl2k8]

lol@ Kobe being top two in PER

[Psileas]

Oh, man.
His 2nd most prolific, per minute, scoring season of his career, better than seasons like 2003 and 2007, his 4th most prolific per minute in rebounding and second in assists, with practically his career averages in scoring efficiency, a PER comparable to his 2003 and 2007 ones and a team record of 19-7. Horrible year, easily his worst since '98...

[Lakers13]

Posting in a Fail Thread

[sosolid4u09]

26.7 ppg 5.2 rpg 4.7 apg 45%fg/34%3p/84%ft in 33.1 mpg.

Updated stats.

Not his worst season.

This

Second in the league in PER
First in the league in points per 48 minutes

[StillKill24]

Fact: Kobe Bryant will have his worse season since 97-98
correct. :applause:

[StillKill24]

yep.

[Hulk Hogan]

Under 43% FG guaranteed.
Bump.

:oldlol:

[KB2009Champ]

OP just bury a whole and jump right in.

epic fail.

[KenneBell]

OP just dig a hole and jump right in.

epic fail.
I don't think you can bury a hole. Just saying.

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

Bump

[gts]

I don't think you can bury a hole. Just saying.lol beat me to it... i like his "epic fail" at the end, nice touch

[Samurai Swoosh]

25 ppg, 5 rpg, 5 apg on 45%

Not his best ... not even close to his worst. And he'll be competing for another title. So alls well and ends well.

[branslowski]

25 ppg, 5 rpg, 5 apg on 45%

Not his best ... not even close to his worst. And he'll be competing for another title. So alls well and ends well.

4.6ast...


Avg basically his career numbers.

[Samurai Swoosh]

4.6ast...
I like round numbers. And in school, I learned that when something is .5 or < .. you round up. If it's > .5 .. you round down. Therefore 4.6 is rounded off to 5.

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

4.6ast...


Avg basically his career numbers.

Exactly everyone is trippin over this season like Kobe just went into Knicks T-Mac mode and had a huge drop off. He's still one of the best if not the best in the league and will lead the Lakers to another Finals appearance if not another Jim O'Brien Trophy in June :rockon:

[branslowski]

I like round numbers. And in school, I learned that when something is .5 or < .. you round up. If it's > .5 .. you round down. Therefore 4.6 is rounded off to 5.

True....But in the NBA, it aint like that.

If Bron avg 25pts 10reb 9.7ast for a season...It wouldn't be a legit Triple-double season....

Nitpicking I know...:lol

[Samurai Swoosh]

True....But in the NBA, it aint like that.

If Bron avg 25pts 10reb 9.7ast for a season...It wouldn't be a legit Triple-double season....

Nitpicking I know...:lol
Sure ... but when you're talking about his season at the gym to friends are you going to bust out your glasses and calculator like John Hollinger and say in the dorkiest voice possible ... uhh he averaged approximetly 9.7 assists?

No.

What you named IMO is basically averaging a trip dub for the season.

.3 away from a rounded off 10 apg?

:oldlol:

[branslowski]

Sure ... but when you're talking about his season at the gym to friends are you going to bust out your glasses and calculator like John Hollinger and say in the dorkiest voice possible ... uhh he averaged approximetly 9.7 assists?

No.

What you named IMO is basically averaging a trip dub for the season.

.3 away from a rounded off 10 apg?

:oldlol:

:oldlol: Trust me bro, I know...But it wouldn't be official. It would be a near triple dub.

[SinJackal]

I like round numbers. And in school, I learned that when something is .5 or < .. you round up. If it's > .5 .. you round down. Therefore 4.6 is rounded off to 5.

For basketball stats, a lot of people actually DON'T view 4.5 and 4.6 as "5", they call it 4.5. If it's 4.9, sure we'll call it 5. 4.5-4.6 though? That's 4.5. Not really that close to 5.

And no, you don't need to round to a non decimal number. You're just going to get corrected and laughed at for trying to pump up players' stats. "Round" to .5's, and likely nobody will say anything at any point. .1 and .2 = rounded down to .0. 3., .4, .6, and .7 = .5. And .8 and .9 = rounded up to .0

[knightfall88]

pretty much 25 5 5 and at 33mpg. Nice.

[Scholar]

I still think Kobe is quite possibly the best player in the league right now even at the age of 32. He's averaging 25 ppg, 5 rpg and 4 apg at around 33 mpg. That's pretty insane. I bet his averages would be much higher if he played more minutes.
Obviously KB24 can't play the way he used to, dropping 40 pts a night, 50 without much of a problem, etc., but he still isn't as bad as some of you guys are making him seem.
If he's not the #1 player in the NBA right now, I'll give him the nod as top 3; however, I do think he's #1 in the league. He just doesn't need to score as much as he used to because his team is pretty good now. They don't need the guy playing 40+ min a night and scoring 30+ consistently.

[ginobli2311]

I still think Kobe is quite possibly the best player in the league right now even at the age of 32. He's averaging 25 ppg, 5 rpg and 4 apg at around 33 mpg. That's pretty insane. I bet his averages would be much higher if he played more minutes.
Obviously KB24 can't play the way he used to, dropping 40 pts a night, 50 without much of a problem, etc., but he still isn't as bad as some of you guys are making him seem.
If he's not the #1 player in the NBA right now, I'll give him the nod as top 3; however, I do think he's #1 in the league. He just doesn't need to score as much as he used to because his team is pretty good now. They don't need the guy playing 40+ min a night and scoring 30+ consistently.

offensively, kobe has been pretty damn good so far this year. the drop off has come on defense though. he's not defending well at all so far this year. that is what is keeping him from being the best player in the league. i have him in my top 5, but no way can i put kobe over guys like wade/lebron/howard when those guys are playing elite on both ends.

[macpierce]

kobe cant shoot freethrows anymore thanks to his fingers............shit
:confusedshrug:
he is slow but can still make plays and timely shots

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

offensively, kobe has been pretty damn good so far this year. the drop off has come on defense though. he's not defending well at all so far this year. that is what is keeping him from being the best player in the league. i have him in my top 5, but no way can i put kobe over guys like wade/lebron/howard when those guys are playing elite on both ends.

Wade? Not so sure dude. His defense continues to disappoint me he just acts like he doesn't care. He's been scoring on good efficiency and having his other usual stats in rebounding, assisting, etc but his defense is looking lax to me how Kobe has been doing. In every game I have watched he rarely hustles back on transition (which Miami as a team doesn't do really) and he never gets set and just lets guys run around. I know Wade can play better D than that he just doesn't seem to care as much for some reason.

[ginobli2311]

Wade? Not so sure dude. His defense continues to disappoint me he just acts like he doesn't care. He's been scoring on good efficiency and having his other usual stats in rebounding, assisting, etc but his defense is looking lax to me how Kobe has been doing. In every game I have watched he rarely hustles back on transition (which Miami as a team doesn't do really) and he never gets set and just lets guys run around. I know Wade can play better D than that he just doesn't seem to care as much for some reason.

outside the first 10 or so games....wade has been great defensively. i don't think you are watching the games night in night out if you don't see this.

sorry. the heat's defense has been great this year. and a big reason is wade's defense.

i don't love espn rankings and i don't really even agree with this one, but wade is currently 5th on their list for defensive player of the year. he wouldn't be up there if he wasn't playing great defense. that is the big difference. one player is playing average defense....the other player is playing good to great defense. big difference.

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

outside the first 10 or so games....wade has been great defensively. i don't think you are watching the games night in night out if you don't see this.

sorry. the heat's defense has been great this year. and a big reason is wade's defense.

i don't love espn rankings and i don't really even agree with this one, but wade is currently 5th on their list for defensive player of the year. he wouldn't be up there if he wasn't playing great defense. that is the big difference. one player is playing average defense....the other player is playing good to great defense. big difference.

I do watch them. Even in recent games. They give him high rankings because he gets steals and blocks. I'm talking about keeping his man from running around on screens. And transition defense, which seems to be a problem for Miami as a whole, has been lacking a little bit though not as bad as the Lakers has been sometimes. Miami will sometimes let teams get transition buckets after they make a shot which is crazy. His on ball D is great, but his off ball D guarding shooters has been average at best. The last Miami game I watched was the Clippers game btw

[ginobli2311]

I do watch them. Even in recent games. They give him high rankings because he gets steals and blocks. I'm talking about keeping his man from running around on screens. And transition defense, which seems to be a problem for Miami as a whole, has been lacking a little bit though not as bad as the Lakers has been sometimes. Miami will sometimes let teams get transition buckets after they make a shot which is crazy. His on ball D is great, but his off ball D guarding shooters has been average at best. The last Miami game I watched was the Clippers game btw

i'll agree with most of that. my point is overall wade has had a very positive impact defensively with the heat and has been only behind manu in my opinion in terms of shooting guard defense this year.

wade does get lazy at times and does gamble too often. but he also locks people up and plays off the ball defense very well at times and is great at playing the passing lanes.

so to my original point. wade's offensive numbers are slightly better than kobe's. wade's defense has been noticeably better. both teams have similar records and the heat have played a much harder schedule so far.

i simply can't put kobe over wade so far this season. it doesn't make sense.

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

i'll agree with most of that. my point is overall wade has had a very positive impact defensively with the heat and has been only behind manu in my opinion in terms of shooting guard defense this year.

wade does get lazy at times and does gamble too often. but he also locks people up and plays off the ball defense very well at times and is great at playing the passing lanes.

so to my original point. wade's offensive numbers are slightly better than kobe's. wade's defense has been noticeably better. both teams have similar records and the heat have played a much harder schedule so far.

i simply can't put kobe over wade so far this season. it doesn't make sense.

That's cool if you don't put Kobe over Wade that is a very valid opinion to have Wade over him in fact Wade is one of my favorite players. I was just making the point that his D while at sometimes is amazing, it has been pretty lackluster a lot of times too. But Kobe's defense has been pretty aggravating this year. Particularly his close-outs are really bad and he doesn't seem to respect shooters. I think that's the part of his defense that's been the bad part. His on ball D has been good its just that guarding guys like Wade and LeBron make a challenge because of their speed but that's an issue for anyone guarding them

[Poochymama]

i'll agree with most of that. my point is overall wade has had a very positive impact defensively with the heat and has been only behind manu in my opinion in terms of shooting guard defense this year.

wade does get lazy at times and does gamble too often. but he also locks people up and plays off the ball defense very well at times and is great at playing the passing lanes.

so to my original point. wade's offensive numbers are slightly better than kobe's. wade's defense has been noticeably better. both teams have similar records and the heat have played a much harder schedule so far.

i simply can't put kobe over wade so far this season. it doesn't make sense.

Great Post:applause: :applause: :applause:

In my opinion Kobe is probably the 3rd best player in the league right now, 4th at worst.

1. Lebron
2. Wade
3. Kobe

I think Lebron has been the best player for the last 2 years or so with Kobe/Wade fighting for the 2 spot. Last year I would give the nod to Kobe, but this year I have to give the nod to Wade because of his superior defense.

[G-Funk]

offensively, kobe has been pretty damn good so far this year. the drop off has come on defense though. he's not defending well at all so far this year. that is what is keeping him from being the best player in the league. i have him in my top 5, but no way can i put kobe over guys like wade/lebron/howard when those guys are playing elite on both ends.

I agree but he's still trying

[Samurai Swoosh]

And no, you don't need to round to a non decimal number.
Reading comprehension, sparky.

I said "I" like round numbers.

:oldlol:

[Samurai Swoosh]

I agree but he's still trying
When he truly wants to play defense, he can. Which has been the case the duration of his career post Shaq, because he tries to conserve energy. But when he goes out there and gives it his all on that end ... point blank there might not be a better permiter defender in the league. Anyone who says otherwise either doesn't know what they're talking about and/or is a Mamba hater.

[Fatal9]

When he truly wants to play defense, he can. Which has been the case the duration of his career post Shaq, because he tries to conserve energy. But when he goes out there and gives it his all on that end ... point blank there might not be a better permiter defender in the league. Anyone who says otherwise either doesn't know what they're talking about and/or is a Mamba hater.
I don't know if that's the case any more though. I thought he deserved his all D selections up to '09, last year no but he played great D in the playoffs, but this year his lateral quickness on defense is getting exposed. I don't know if he can still shut down people when he wants anymore, just doesn't have it physically in him anymore imo. Of course, he might come alive on defense in the playoffs again and prove he's still a top defender.

[ImmortalD24]

He doesn't have that cat like quickness anymore.. he's playing the worst defense of his career to date. I don't see him getting any better after 40+ more games..

Whenever Kobe tries to pick up his defense these days.. it usually results to a foul since he gets too close to his man and doesn't move quick enough to avoid contact.. or they simply blow by him with a counter move.

[KenneBell]

His defense will be there in the playoffs. He's been averaging close to 1 block a game in playoff mode but rarely gets them in the regular season.

The Lakers as a whole don't play much defense these days but they can when they feel like it.

[TryToBeUnbias]

That's cool if you don't put Kobe over Wade that is a very valid opinion to have Wade over him in fact Wade is one of my favorite players. I was just making the point that his D while at sometimes is amazing, it has been pretty lackluster a lot of times too. But Kobe's defense has been pretty aggravating this year. Particularly his close-outs are really bad and he doesn't seem to respect shooters. I think that's the part of his defense that's been the bad part. His on ball D has been good its just that guarding guys like Wade and LeBron make a challenge because of their speed but that's an issue for anyone guarding them
agreed.

[cp3mvp2011]

kobe's defence is overrated by most of his fans :banana:

[Disaprine]

overreaction threads. :lol

[amfirst]

Yes Kobe has slow down. But the playoffs is when the Lakers play for reals. U seriously think Lakers will play lacksidaisy in the playoffs. In the regular season they tend to cruise and leave guys wide open, but not in the playoffs, it's serious time.

[chazzy]

After a slow start to the season coming back from arthroscopic surgery, Kobe's FG% is up to 46%. He shot 42% in November, and then 47% and 50% in Dec and Jan. Most notably, he's shot at least 53% in 10 of his last 15 games.. coinciding with Bynum's return to the starting lineup. Lately he's been picking his spots more, not forcing the issue as much and taking over when needed. Also, he's playing a career low 33mpg as a starter; comparatively, he played 39mpg last season. All of these factors, coupled with Bynum's gradual improvement and Odom's great season, are very good signs for this team in the long run.

My biggest complaint would be that his defense has taken a hit.

[Bigsmoke]

2004-2005

[Hulk Hogan]

Under 43% FG guaranteed.

Sheed is that you?:lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iegki4o1VWo

[yhaanraads]

Sheed is that you?:lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iegki4o1VWo

never mind

[Hulk Hogan]

Op should come out of his cave and apologize.
Too much fail in this thread. :rolleyes:

[Jacks3]

26/5/5/1.3/56.1% TS in only 33 MPG. :eek: :bowdown:

[Eat Like A Bosh]

Really Bro? Are you trolling?
Kobe has been really efficient lately in January, and boosted his FG% up to 46.5%.
http://pic.phyrefile.com/e/ep/epp_b/2010/01/21/troll_detected.png

[Johnni Gade]

he's doing just fine

[Johnni Gade]

Really Bro? Are you trolling?
Kobe has been really efficient lately in January, and boosted his FG% up to 46.5%.
http://pic.phyrefile.com/e/ep/epp_b/2010/01/21/troll_detected.png
lol at the gif mate xD

[scm5]

kobe's defence is overrated by most of his fans :banana:

Actually, this is a case where fans tend to be spot on. Kobe tends to only play lock down defense against players he respects.

I started a whole thread on this... and it's been pretty consistent through every player he defends regularly and respects.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=202845

One player that people tend to think Kobe cannot stop is Wade. Kobe has held Wade down to 43.5% FG through his career which is about 5% below his career average.

I'd say that since the results are fairly consistent across the board, that Kobe does indeed play good man defense against players he respects. He tends to play off of players he doesn't respect.

Kobe's man defense is consistent and shown not through blocks and steals, but rather lowering his opponent's FG% through tougher shots.

In comparison, "elite" defenders such as Bowen and Battier haven't had similar results against Wade.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=bowenbr01&p2=wadedw01

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=wadedw01&p2=battish01

Not exactly sure if Wade was defended regularly by Battier, but he definitely was by Bowen.

[B-Easy]

Youd see that most of his misses against the Lakers . .come right at the rim .. where normally its an easy layup for him againt 99% of teams .. Gasol and Bynum make him change his shots.

I wish I had highlights of all of Wades shots against the Lakers to prove it

[Disaprine]

overreaction threads. :lol
:lol

[Fatal9]

It is funny this thread only gets bumped when Kobe has a good game. :oldlol:

36% performance tonight should bring closer to below 43% for the season.
This dude actually bumped his thread a month into the season, so not like he doesn't check it. Got all confident there for a bit. M.I.A ever since though :oldlol:

[Mr. Jabbar]

This dude actually bumped his thread a month into the season, so not like he doesn't check it. Got all confident there for a bit. M.I.A ever since though :oldlol:

:lol :lol

Kobe hating threads are guaranteed fail-bumps every 1 month or so (FACT)

Being a kobe hater: uphill since 1996.

[Walduś]

Op should come out of his cave and apologize.
Too much fail in this thread. :rolleyes:
this, a thoughtful apology and you're forgiven.

[LA_Showtime]

this, a thoughtful apology and you're forgiven.

Are you kidding me? We'll hear his apology, laugh in his face, and stone the mother ****er.

[Hulk Hogan]

That knee is going to be a huge problem this year.

Under 43% FG guaranteed.

You guys never learn, do your? :rolleyes:

[Bladers]

Failed prediction.

I guess we should get out the stones? So you won't make a fool of yourself ever again.:oldlol:

[AirTupac]

I guess we should get out the stones? :oldlol:

Did you find this thread because of my post confronting that troll? :oldlol: If not, thanks anyways.

[KingMichael23]

C'mon, man. Kobe ain't no Vince or T-Mac. Kobe can still score with his usual 45% shooting.