How does a starting Center play 24 min and only grab 1 rebound? EDIT: Pathetic update

[Real Men Wear Green]

*hard stare at a certain #1 pick residing somewhere in Canada*

[AJ2k8]

*hard stare at a certain #1 pick residing somewhere in Canada*
:roll:

[brwnman]

Jason Collins disease...

[IamSofaKing]

Just to let you know Amare played 26 mins and grabbed 3 rebounds today, regardless Bargnani is waste..

[dr8ked]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[MayCeltics]

http://guenael64.free.fr/image/davandersen.jpg

I Always Feel Like Somebody's Watching Me

[Real Men Wear Green]

Just to let you know Amare played 26 mins and grabbed 3 rebounds today, regardless Bargnani is waste..
Don't get me wrong, that's bad. But...1 rebound is just a whole other level. I think I could get 2 in an NBA game just by running around and diving on the floor. Seriously, there's something wrong here. This calls for a psych eval.

[Nash-tastic]

*hard stare at a certain #1 pick residing somewhere in Canada*
:oldlol: nice going Bargs

[Noyze]

Another foreign big man that is soft and doesn't play defense.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Another foreign big man that is soft and doesn't play defense.
The Gasol brothers are leading the semi-new trend of Euro-bigs that will change that perception.

But this topic's subject lives the stereotype to the fullest.

[dr8ked]

The Gasol brothers are leading the semi-new trend of Euro-bigs that will change that perception.
But this topic's subject lives the stereotype to the fullest.



add Tiago splitter to that list..

[Real Men Wear Green]

30 minutes...one rebound...

[dr8ked]

30 minutes...one rebound...

him again ?

[Real Men Wear Green]

him again ?
Yes..."him."

[TheAnchorman]

I have bargnani and splitter on my fantasy.. bargnani im starting to regret a little but what do you guys think abouts splitter on the fantasy level? I know he's never been tested before, regardless..

[Real Men Wear Green]

I bet Bargs doesn't even fantasize about rebounding.

[QuebecBaller]

How can he grabs some rebounds? Reggie Evans keeps them all for himself

Reggie can grabs anything, anytime

http://lowposts.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/reggie-evans.jpg

http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/1003/dirtiest.nba.players/images/reggie-evans(2).jpg

http://clubseatsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/evans2-226x300.jpg

[Funnyfuka]

The Gasol brothers are leading the semi-new trend of Euro-bigs that will change that perception.

But this topic's subject lives the stereotype to the fullest.

and scola too.

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

How can he grabs some rebounds? Reggie Evans keeps them all for himself

Reggie can grabs anything, anytime


http://clubseatsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/evans2-226x300.jpg

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

and scola too.

Scola aint from europe:pimp:

[Funnyfuka]

Scola aint from europe:pimp:
i thoought he was spanish or turkish...he s in fact from south america right?

[Fatal9]

2 rebounds last night in 36 minutes. He's improving :applause:

[DPittman]

2 rebounds last night in 36 minutes. He's improving :applause:



:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Mirjalovic]

Damn, he is on my fantasy team. i thought he will improving his rebs stats considering an 11 rpg player has gone.

[Kungfro]

He's not making it easy to be a Bargnani fan. He gave up a few rebounds to Cousins last night that made me want to strangle him.

[Real Men Wear Green]

2 rebounds last night in 36 minutes. He's improving :applause:
Damn, I missed it. I know, I'm the kind of troll that only pops up when he has a bad game.

[elementally morale]

Damn, I missed it. I know, I'm the kind of troll that only pops up when he has a bad game.

:oldlol:

[LastChanceToWin]

My guess is he shoots so many 3s that he is never next to the hoop to get rebounds

[33teeth]

My guess is he shoots so many 3s that he is never next to the hoop to get rebounds
Nope. Not in last night's game. He was near a lot of them but just out worked. It's not hard to outwork a guy who looks afraid of the ball though.

[TMAC-RAPTORS]

Yeah, Bargnani simply doesn't care about rebounds :banghead: Like honestly, you can shoot from 25 ft+ but you can't grab 7-9 rbs a game :banghead:

[lilWesleyJ4]

Sh!t man, even the current version of Vlade Divac does better then that:facepalm Oh and add Nikola Pekovic to the list of non soft euros

[PurpleChuck]

:facepalm @ AB.

[Real Men Wear Green]

My guess is he shoots so many 3s that he is never next to the hoop to get rebounds
On defense?

Actually, that would also explain the issue with his help D. A valid theory.

[franchise#3]

At least he's getting the points :basketball

[PurpleChuck]

At least he's getting the points :basketball

He ain't helping his team get the W that's for sure.:banghead:

[The_Night_Elf]

add Tiago splitter to that list..

Splitter's from Brazil.

Barg's rebounding should go up...maybe he'll get 4 rebounds next game!:lol

[iamgine]

Yet Toronto outrebounded their opponent. Well, 2 out of 3.

[Mr Clutch Melo]

Raptors playing Utah tommorow, How many rebounds will player x grab against Utahs strong rebounding frontcourt ?:oldlol:

[Lil' Lance]

http://raptorsrepublic.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/andrea-bargnani-crosshair.jpg

[Disaprine]

:roll: :applause:

[Slam13]

I have bargnani and splitter on my fantasy.. bargnani im starting to regret a little but what do you guys think abouts splitter on the fantasy level? I know he's never been tested before, regardless..
You realize how gay that sounds?

[PurpleChuck]

You realize how gay that sounds?

Haha not until you pointed it out.:applause:

[Grinder]

It's not quite as bad when you've got Reggie Evans next to you getting 14+ rpg.

[PurpleChuck]

It's not quite as bad when you've got Reggie Evans next to you getting 14+ rpg.

19 rb against Kings. Pretty solid.:applause:

[Real Men Wear Green]

It's not quite as bad when you've got Reggie Evans next to you getting 14+ rpg.
If you were 7 feet tall, and played, say, 15 minutes, do you think you could grab 2 rebounds?

[RAPSPURS]

I have bargnani and splitter on my fantasy.. bargnani im starting to regret a little but what do you guys think abouts splitter on the fantasy level? I know he's never been tested before, regardless..

I don't think he'll produce for a few months. New players (rookies AND vets) seem to struggle a bit during their first year in the San Antonio system

I'm figuring a 14/8 line for him but it might take awhile to get there.
He should definitely get the opportunity to play as SA doesn't really have a true C

[Rose]

If you were 7 feet tall, and played, say, 15 minutes, do you think you could grab 2 rebounds?
7 easyyyy

[PowerGlove]

and you're a mod?:oldlol:

Bargs has reggie grabbing everything beside him and encouraging him this year. He will get better on the boards soon, trust me.

[PurpleChuck]

7 easyyyy

Roughly, over the course of 82 games, I say you can avg a double digit in rebounds. LOL AB not gonna avg even 5.

[StacksOnDeck]

and you're a mod?:oldlol:

Bargs has reggie grabbing everything beside him and encouraging him this year. He will get better on the boards soon, trust me.

:roll:

He's a forum joke. No one respects him.

[Real Men Wear Green]

and you're a mod?:oldlol: The dumbest posts directed me at this forum generally include the 3 words "you are mod." Yes, I'm a mod. And when I accepted that status no one told me I had to stop being me. Deal with it. Or leave. I wouldn't care if you left.


Bargs has reggie grabbing everything beside him and encouraging him this year. He will get better on the boards soon, trust me.
I don't see how the hell he could get worse. Whether you realize it or not, there's something wrong with a big man having 1-rebound games. And a #1 pick big man, at that.

[A Roc 23]

Bargnani is a terrible rebounder . . .

but he's getting no rebounds right now because Reggie is literally ripping them away from him. Bargnani doesn't care about rebound #s at all. He moves out of the way whenever a rebound comes to him and a teammate is nearby to grab it. It's kind of frusterating because I'd like to see his numbers improve just so we can stop worrying about it.

Lets also note that the Raptors are killing the competition on the boards so far. Reggie is beasting and the team is rebounding well. Reggie will literally run from the other side of the court and grab a rebound that is about to land right to Bargnani. 3-4 times in the first 3 games Reggie has wrestled the ball out of Bargnani's hands to get the rebound. It's weird but whatever!

The problem is that Bargnani just doesn't have that aggression in him. He doesn't move to the ball and he doesn't seem to take defensive rebounding personal. Other people lose a rebound and get angry, Bargnani kind of shrugs it off and keeps playing. He should definately be a lot better!

[PowerGlove]

The dumbest posts directed me at this forum generally include the 3 words "you are mod." Yes, I'm a mod. And when I accepted that status no one told me I had to stop being me. Deal with it. Or leave. I wouldn't care if you left.


Bolded=:oldlol:

You are so sensitive.



I don't see how the hell he could get worse. Whether you realize it or not, there's something wrong with a big man having 1-rebound games. And a #1 pick big man, at that.

He's had a 6 rebound game, a 1 rebound game and a 2 rebound game. He's averaging 3 rebounds per game while Reggie Evans is averaging 16.3 per game. He will get better but playing alongside of one of the best rebounders in the L will not allow him to be near the norm. He's in a Rashard Lewis role when he played PF last year for the Magic. Shard only averaged 4.4 rebounds last year. It's bad, but nowhere near as bad as you make it seem.

In good news, he's averaging 1.7 blocks per game, 23.3 PPG on 59.4 TS%.

[Real Men Wear Green]

He sucks at rebounding
Fixed.

He's averaging 3 rebounds per game while Reggie Evans is averaging 16.3 per game. He will get better but playing alongside of one of the best rebounders in the L will not allow him to be near the norm. He's in a Rashard Lewis role when he played PF last year for the Magic. Shard only averaged 4.4 rebounds last year. It's bad, but nowhere near as bad as you make it seem.

In good news, he's averaging 1.7 blocks per game, 23.3 PPG on 59.4 TS%.
Shard Lewis's rebounding, yes, that was bad. Now, 1 rebound games? That's hilariously bad. No, sorry, I don't care what Reggie Evans is grabbing. He's not Wilt. All that shows is that your PF is hustling and your center is not.

[A Roc 23]

I don't see how the hell he could get worse. Whether you realize it or not, there's something wrong with a big man having 1-rebound games. And a #1 pick big man, at that.

There is something wrong and he really couldn't get worse.

What does his draft position have to do with the standard to which we should hold his rebounding numbers? He was drafted because he's a 7 footer who can shoot from anyway and attack off the dribble. BC didn't draft him to beast on the boards.

[InspiredLebowski]

Evans is averaging 2.7/16.3. 6.3 of those are offensive boards, yet he's still only putting up 3 points per. That just blows my mind.

[PowerGlove]

Fixed.

Shard Lewis's rebounding, yes, that was bad. Now, 1 rebound games? That's hilariously bad. No, sorry, I don't care what Reggie Evans is grabbing. He's not Wilt. All that shows is that your PF is hustling and your center is not.
:facepalm

Please stop posting.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201002100CHI.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201003090ORL.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201003260ORL.html

3 one rebound games from Shard last year. That's a guy who's one inch shorter and gets paid about 60-70 million more and scores less. Where is the thread about him?:rolleyes:

Here is a NO rebound game from Shard as well.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201004110CLE.html

[Real Men Wear Green]

There is something wrong and he really couldn't get worse.

What does his draft position have to do with the standard to which we should hold his rebounding numbers? He was drafted because he's a 7 footer who can shoot from anyway and attack off the dribble. BC didn't draft him to beast on the boards.
BC may not have envisioned a dominant rebounder but I guarantee you he didn't see things getting nearly this bad. He probably foresaw a 20-10 big (when you have the #1 pick and you use it on a big, that's what you're figuring) or at least 7 or 8. There has never been a top pick big man that rebounded at this lethargic rate. And you'd probably have to go back a number of years to find a starting big man this weak on the glass.

[Real Men Wear Green]

:facepalm

Please stop posting.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201002100CHI.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201003090ORL.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201003260ORL.html

3 one rebound games from Shard last year. That's a guy who's one inch shorter and gets paid about 60-70 million more and scores less. Where is the thread about him?:rolleyes:

Here is a NO rebound game from Shard as well.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201004110CLE.html
LOL, then go make a thread about Shard. No one's stopping you.

Look, you're mad that your team wasted a #1 pick on and is starting at center one of the softest bigs in NBA history. I can understand your frustion. But you shouldn't be shooting the messenger here. This rebounding is pathetic. It's just a fact.

[Rose]

Does Reggie Evans rebounding numbers have something to do with Bargs? Yes, undeniably so when someone's getting 16, that means someone is gonna get left out. But the flipped side of that coin is, Bargs was never a rebounder in anyway shape or form. Yeah he got 6 a game. that's small forward numbers really. But after another 10 games or so when Reggie Evans goes back to normal, Bargs will go up. Although regardless it is hilarious Bargnani had a game with one rebound.:roll:

[DGARAS]

He's averaging 3 rebounds a game, but 23 ppg and 1.7 bpg. I think it would be hilarious if he keeps that up for the whole year. I'd love to see everyone's reactions.

23 ppg 3 rpg 2bpg lol

[Real Men Wear Green]

He's averaging 3 rebounds a game, but 23 ppg and 1.7 bpg. I think it would be hilarious if he keeps that up for the whole year. I'd love to see everyone's reactions.

23 ppg 3 rpg 2bpg lol
Has any player ever averaged 2 blocks but only 3 rebounds? That would almost have to be a first.

[A Roc 23]

LOL, then go make a thread about Shard. No one's stopping you.

Look, you're mad that your team wasted a #1 pick on and is starting at center one of the softest bigs in NBA history. I can understand your frustion. But you shouldn't be shooting the messenger here. This rebounding is pathetic. It's just a fact.

His rebounding is sad, but realistically the team needed a center and these are the other centers picked in the 1st round that year: Patrick O'Bryant, Mouhamed Sene, Hilton Armstrong (all lottery picks), Cedric Simmons and Oleksiy Pecherov.

In fact, Bargnani is the only center drafted that year that averages more than 6 points a game.

The only players I'd rather have from that draft are Roy and Rondo, and neither were ever in the discussion for the #1 pick.

Aldridge is a probably (although another flawed player who is a poor rebounder). Bargnani 5 rebounds in 29 minutes for his career, Aldridge 7 rebounds in 34 minutes a game for his career. Plus Alridge's contract is worth 15 million dollars more!

Gay is a probably. He is a selfish player who I wouldn't really want to build around, but he is the guy that I wanted at the time but don't really want anymore. He's a chucker who makes 82 million. Gay 18 points and 5.5 rebounds a game in 35 minutes a game versus Bargnani's 14 points and 5 rebounds a game in 29 minutes. Gay makes 32 million more than Bargnani!

Millsap is another probably, but he was a 2nd round surprise.

So really it's not that bad of a pick . . .

[lilbustnani]

:roll: :roll: :oldlol: :lol :roll: :roll:

what an absolute jooooke of a player. "he's not that bad of a rebounder, its just that reggie is gettin them all". **** off. reggies gettin them because he's working his tail off, while bargnanis got his thumb up his ass out at the 3 point line.

paaaaaathetic! :roll:

[Real Men Wear Green]

Okay, now I have a simple question:

Why can't he get more rebounds?

You may disagree with me, but what I've seen all boils down to him getting badly outworked. He's playing soft, and so the other bigs on the floor (including Evans) get more loose balls. Yes Evans is putting forth a great effort, and gets some props for that, but his great effort doesn't excuse Bargs' poor effort. He's supposed to be the team's best player, supposed to be a leader. But is he?

[A Roc 23]

Okay, now I have a simple question:

Why can't he get more rebounds?

You may disagree with me, but what I've seen all boils down to him getting badly outworked. He's playing soft, and so the other bigs on the floor (including Evans) get more loose balls. Yes Evans is putting forth a great effort, and gets some props for that, but his great effort doesn't excuse Bargs' poor effort. He's supposed to be the team's best player, supposed to be a leader. But is he?

He absotutely is not a leader. :oldlol: He's quiet, speaks broken english and doesn't care much about interacting with the other player's on the team. He's not going to direct the defense or get on guys for not moving right on offense. Definately not a leader.

He's a bad rebounder because he never goes to the ball and he sucks at using his body to box out his man. Shows little to no aggression unless he has the ball.

The team is not going anywhere with Bargnani as the #1 guy. I'm hoping DeMar keeps up his development and the Raptors draft Jones/Barnes/Irving and they become a star. I think Bargnani will make an awesome 2nd/3rd guy one day at power forward next to a rebounding center. He is an outstanding offensive talent.

[Real Men Wear Green]

1 rebound in the half, eh? Well, I'm going to bed. Perhaps overnight we'll see the total double, and I'll have no reason to bump this.

[TheCorporation]

3 lol ;)

[raptorfan_dr07]

Okay, now I have a simple question:

Why can't he get more rebounds?

You may disagree with me, but what I've seen all boils down to him getting badly outworked. He's playing soft, and so the other bigs on the floor (including Evans) get more loose balls. Yes Evans is putting forth a great effort, and gets some props for that, but his great effort doesn't excuse Bargs' poor effort. He's supposed to be the team's best player, supposed to be a leader. But is he?

That's pretty much spot on. He just doesn't put forth the effort. Doesn't feel the need to work on his rebounding. He admitted in an interview last year that he's lazy. Yeah his scoring is up a bit and so is his efficiency, but his rebounding and D is still as poor as it ever was.

He's probably the best player on the team right now by default. Definitely not a leader.

[blondie]

He absotutely is not a leader. :oldlol: He's quiet, speaks broken english and doesn't care much about interacting with the other player's on the team. He's not going to direct the defense or get on guys for not moving right on offense. Definately not a leader.

He's a bad rebounder because he never goes to the ball and he sucks at using his body to box out his man. Shows little to no aggression unless he has the ball.

The team is not going anywhere with Bargnani as the #1 guy. I'm hoping DeMar keeps up his development and the Raptors draft Jones/Barnes/Irving and they become a star. I think Bargnani will make an awesome 2nd/3rd guy one day at power forward next to a rebounding center. He is an outstanding offensive talent.
I didn't know softer versions of Mehmet Okur were considered outstanding offensive talents :facepalm

[Real Men Wear Green]

3 lol ;)
That's his season average. Really not bump-worthy. My bad.

[GiveItToBurrito]

He's not a center so he should only be expected to get 8 or 9 boards per 40, but yeah, that's horrible. Bargnani needs to learn to bang more, I actually like his game, but the lack of rebounding and especially help defense makes it almost impossible for him to start for a decent team. He also should NEVER play center, that position is way too important for the defense to have a finesse player - no matter how good he is on offense - playing there. Dirk's more of a banger than Bargs is and he struggled at center, plus his teams were never good defensively when he wasn't paired with a banger who can rebound, block shots, and defend the post.

[Fatal9]

1 rebound again tonight vs. the Warriors :applause:

To be fair though, if he played more than 21 minutes he might have grabbed 2 or 3.

[pete's montreux]

1 rebound again tonight vs. the Warriors :applause:

To be fair though, if he played more than 21 minutes he might have grabbed 2 or 3.

Relax, son. Let's not get ahead of ourselves. Baby steps.

[PowerGlove]

:facepalm :mad: :cry:

[pete's montreux]

It's not a bad thing. He doesn't crash the boards all the time because he's so eager to get back on D.

Oh wait...

[Funnyfuka]

toronto has made an habit of having tall lazy, spoiled european players who dont care about winning games on their team. There are no "leaders" in this team, even the coach , triano, looks like a ***** and wouldnt impress nor scare my 8 y/o little sister. There's just no strong personnality in this place at all.

[bokes15]

And get paid 10 mill/yr to do that.

[magnax1]

At least he's pretty good for my fantasy team... other then the rebounds

[Real Men Wear Green]

:facepalm :mad: :cry:
I'm sorry. Seriously. I have a...small amount of respect for your loyalty to this player, even though I don't really understand it. When this thread was first created, I think it was me just having a laugh at a weak preseason performance. I really was not expecting multiple repeat weak performances when the games started to matter.

Basically, your boy has actually disappointed my low expectations.

What can we do?

Sorry. I am sorry.

Sorry.

[PowerGlove]

Nothing new RMWG. Nothing new.:(

[Real Men Wear Green]

Nothing new RMWG. Nothing new.:(
No hard feelings. I'll give you a rep. Just to show that I seriously don't take this stuff seriously.

[raptorfan_dr07]

I really was not expecting multiple repeat weak performances when the games started to matter.

Basically, your boy has actually disappointed my low expectations.


It's Andrea Bargnani. You shouldn't have been so naive. :oldlol: :oldlol:

[Real Men Wear Green]

It's Andrea Bargnani. You shouldn't have been so naive. :oldlol: :oldlol:
I was honestly expecting 6-7. To me he's Mark Blount with better hands.

[raptorfan_dr07]

I was honestly expecting 6-7. To me he's Mark Blount with better hands.

His career average is about 5. He's been content to sit back and be a spectator under the rim, like he's been his entire career. I guess he figures if Reggie Evans is gobbling up all the boards, there's no need for him to crash the glass.

Not sure if I'd go as far as to compare him to Mark Blount. I do remember Blount having some killer games for Boston years back though. However, the fact that he can be compared to Blount is incredibly sad in itself seeing as how Bargs was a number one overall pick and Blount was drafted 54th. :oldlol:

[Real Men Wear Green]

Why'd he only get 21 minutes? Coach finally getting pissed?

[bokes15]

Why'd he only get 21 minutes? Coach finally getting pissed?
Pretty much. It's not the first time he's given a performance like this but it's the first time i've seen Jay Triano actually get mad enough at him to bench him like that. It was partially because of foul trouble too but JT was visibly angry at him.

[d.bball.guy]

19 rb against Kings. Pretty solid.:applause:
and how many balls did he got?

[Fatal9]

Why'd he only get 21 minutes? Coach finally getting pissed?
Foul trouble and poor defense. Warriors bench was apparently laughing at him.

They play with a certain recklessness and a chip on their shoulders and man this team needs more of that. Watching Andrea up close as he went through the motions or showed little emotion after allowing another lay-up was agonizing to say the least, but hearing the Warriors' bench laugh about it, since they were only about 3 feet away from me, was like someone driving a stake repeatedly through my chest.

Guys like Charlie Bell and Rodney Carney were encouraging their teammates to take it right to Bargs every time, knowing that he was fairly helpless to stop them.

That's embarrassing but the reality is it's not going to stop until Triano pulls him out of that starting group.

From a Raptors blog: http://www.raptorshq.com/2010/11/9/1803147/tip-in-frustration-raptors-lose-109-to-102-warriors

This is "The Franchise" :facepalm

[Fatal9]

0 rebounds vs. Wizards right now in the fourth quarter. 0 rebounds.

[Real Men Wear Green]

:facepalm

[madmax]

WOW...this Bargnani fella is one of the kind, ain't he?:lol

[Real Men Wear Green]

:facepalm
That was actually my reaction to him getting one, in case anyone has the wrong idea.

Does anyone ever talk to him about "The Issue?" Has he ever commented on it publicly?

[Fatal9]

just grabbed his first rebound, took 25 minutes but he got it done

:djparty

[Real Men Wear Green]

Every time he does this I am amazed that he could play this weak.

[Real Men Wear Green]

2 rebounds tonight? Now he's just stat-padding.

[Fatal9]

2 rebounds tonight? Now he's just stat-padding.
No, he's becoming a man :bowdown:

[Chamberlain]

They're planning his Bar-Mitzvah as we speak!

[tontoz]

He is averaging 1.6 offensive rebounds which is fine for a big that plays on the perimeter. But averaging only 3.4 defensive rebounds in 34 minutes is unbelievable. Wow

[PowerGlove]

7 and 6 the last two games. He still needs to improve though.

[Real Men Wear Green]

7 and 6 the last two games. He still needs to improve though.
That would merely make him below-average. It's his job to make this topic irrelevant.

[tommy3]

2 rebounds in 40 minutes today :lol

[Real Men Wear Green]

They won against the Cs, so I won't talk shit this time. This time.

[Ron Artest]

They won against the Cs, so I won't talk shit this time. This time.

You're a mod. Your job is to be impartial.

Bargnqani ripped the Celtics a new asshole today. And he doesn't need to rebound with a beast like Evans beside him, and Amir.

[DeronMillsap]

29 points and the W!

Like I said, one of the best Centers in the EC. :bowdown:

[Bodhi]

The Celtics don't try until the playoffs.

[Real Men Wear Green]

You're a mod. Your job is to be impartial.

Bargnqani ripped the Celtics a new asshole today. And he doesn't need to rebound with a beast like Evans beside him, and Amir.
No, the job of a mod is to delete obscene posts/topics, excessively stupid posts/topics, non-NBA topics and spam. Save your stupid opinions for someone who gives a damn. Bargnani is a bad rebounder, and I am allowed to make a topic about that, dumbass.

[Real Men Wear Green]

29 points and the W!

Like I said, one of the best Centers in the EC. :bowdown:
Only if you don't mind your center playing like a shooting guard. He can be a good player overall but he will never be a good center until he plays tough basketball in the paint. There is no such thing as a good center that neither grabs rebounds nor blocks shots.

If you put Dwyane Wade at center he could still average 20+ but would he really be a good center?

[PowerGlove]

lit your team up though.

[Real Men Wear Green]

lit your team up though.
Sure. I never denied that.

[PowerGlove]

Sure. I never denied that.
just rubbing it in...

[StacksOnDeck]

How does your starting PF allow Bargnani to destroy him for 29 points?

[Real Men Wear Green]

Bargs scored. He's a scorer, that's what scorers do. Not the first time some one has gotten points vs. KG and it won't be the last. I'm not going to issue an apology, cry, bleed, or whatever it is you people are expecting. The overreaction on the part of some of you has as much to do with your agendas against me personally as they do actual basketball chat. I'm not interested in stupid questions from trolls.

[yeaaaman]

The Celtics don't try until the playoffs.

It's true, Pierce even tried to miss the game winner, and it worked out perfectly.

[yeaaaman]

Only if you don't mind your center playing like a shooting guard. He can be a good player overall but he will never be a good center until he plays tough basketball in the paint. There is no such thing as a good center that neither grabs rebounds nor blocks shots.

If you put Dwyane Wade at center he could still average 20+ but would he really be a good center?

Is Kendrick Perkins a good center? Last year he averaged a career high 6.9rpg and 1.1bpg. For comparisons sake Bargnani that year averaged 5.4rpg and 1.4 blocks per game although he did play much more. As a matter of fact, the year they won the championship Perk only averaged 4.5rpg and 0.8bpg.

[Maneva]

Is Kendrick Perkins a good center? Last year he averaged a career high 6.9rpg and 1.1bpg. For comparisons sake Bargnani that year averaged 5.4rpg and 1.4 blocks per game although he did play much more. As a matter of fact, the year they won the championship Perk only averaged 4.5rpg and 0.8bpg.

Agreed, RMWG is judging him on too limited a criteria. He's an unconventional center, and a good one.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Is Kendrick Perkins a good center? Last year he averaged a career high 6.9rpg and 1.1bpg. For comparisons sake Bargnani that year averaged 5.4rpg and 1.4 blocks per game although he did play much more. As a matter of fact, the year they won the championship Perk only averaged 4.5rpg and 0.8bpg.
First of all, your numbers are off. (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/kendrick_perkins/career_stats.html) Perks career high in rebounding is 8.1. Last season he averaged 1.7 blocks and 7.6 rebounds in 27.6 minutes per game. Champ year he averaged 6 boards and 1.5 blocks in 24.5 minutes. Furthermore, defense isn't just measured in statistics. No one defends Dwight Howard (for the best example) better than Perk, but that d is largely about positioning and his big, strong body. He's not going to pile up blocks vs. Howard.

As for how I'd rate Perkins, I'd say he's a good defensive center, overall a bit above-average, but he's not the best offensive big. Last year's 10 ppg was ok, but nothing amazing. He does an ok job on the glass (7.6 in 27.6 is solid, but nothing to crow over, IMO he can do better actually) and where he really stands out is defense. His help is good, and he might be the best man-to-man low-post defender in the game.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Agreed, RMWG is judging him on too limited a criteria. He's an unconventional center, and a good one.
Please name an NBA Champion that started a center that was terrible at rebounding and gave no help on D. I'm not saying it's never happened, but I can't name this team.

[Rose]

Please name an NBA Champion that started a center that was terrible at rebounding and gave no help on D. I'm not saying it's never happened, but I can't name this team.
Rick Barry's Warriors!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[magnax1]

Rick Barry's Warriors!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:oldlol:
Good answer for any question about crappy championship teams. Any idea who was actually the starting center for that team?

[Real Men Wear Green]

Rick Barry's Warriors!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Clifford Ray averaged 10.6 boards for them. Was he not the starter?

[Rose]

:oldlol:
Good answer for any question about crappy championship teams. Any idea who was actually the starting center for that team?
No clue I remember the power forward was a 13-6 guy at the time, and was an all star a couple times later in his career with averages of like 18-9 or something.

You know me. I always gotta prop up Rick!:bowdown:

[Rose]

Clifford Ray averaged 10.6 boards for them. Was he not the starter?
I thought it was Bill Bridges. Let me get out my espn championship book gimme like 10 minutes to find it.

[Rose]

Clifford Ray averaged 10.6 boards for them. Was he not the starter?
You were right. Damn. I tried to help the troll?

[Real Men Wear Green]

You were right. Damn. I tried to help the troll?
Yeaaman was wrong but I don't consider his post to be trolling. There was an attempt at debate, although his stats were a bit weird.

[Stoney]

:facepalm

Please stop posting.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201002100CHI.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201003090ORL.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201003260ORL.html

3 one rebound games from Shard last year. That's a guy who's one inch shorter and gets paid about 60-70 million more and scores less. Where is the thread about him?:rolleyes:

Here is a NO rebound game from Shard as well.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201004110CLE.html

I agree with you that Lewis is a horrible rebounder too, just like Bargnani is. I think one reason that Bargnani is getting more attention as a bad rebounder is because he is an european guy, and you are kind of used to expect that every guy from europe is soft/ a bad rebounder, while you normally don't expect the same of an afro - american guy, which could explain that Lewis' bad rebounding is not as recognized by the average fan unless you go out and checks his stats.

[yeaaaman]

First of all, your numbers are off. (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/kendrick_perkins/career_stats.html) Perks career high in rebounding is 8.1. Last season he averaged 1.7 blocks and 7.6 rebounds in 27.6 minutes per game. Champ year he averaged 6 boards and 1.5 blocks in 24.5 minutes. Furthermore, defense isn't just measured in statistics. No one defends Dwight Howard (for the best example) better than Perk, but that d is largely about positioning and his big, strong body. He's not going to pile up blocks vs. Howard.

As for how I'd rate Perkins, I'd say he's a good defensive center, overall a bit above-average, but he's not the best offensive big. Last year's 10 ppg was ok, but nothing amazing. He does an ok job on the glass (7.6 in 27.6 is solid, but nothing to crow over, IMO he can do better actually) and where he really stands out is defense. His help is good, and he might be the best man-to-man low-post defender in the game.

Clearly I wasn't attempting to troll, I just looked over the stats quickly and from checking them out again I realized I was looking at the preseason stats, because I was surprised myself by the numbers I was citing (if you look at the link you provided you see his preseason stats are the first thing you see, I'm assuming they have them up since he has no stats for the year). In any case I was just bringing that up because I think Perkins is a solid center and one of the best defensive bigs, at least in terms of man to man D, even though he doesn't necessarily rack up boards or blocks at a staggering rate.

Basically if Bargnani could offer up some kind of defensive resistance it could mitigate his rebounding shortcomings because he's shown he can block some shots from time to time. Obviously the ease in which Garnett scored today with almost no resistance leads one to believe otherwise, but I was just throwing that out there. He doesn't necessarily need to be a 10rpg 3bpg center to be effective, but don't get me wrong he's as soft as they come, but he can still improve.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Just feeling...nostalgic. Not sure why.

[madmax]

2 rebs in 33 min today:applause: :lol

[Clutch]

2 rebs in 33 min today:applause: :lol
Bargnani makes Amare look like Rodman :lol

[Real Men Wear Green]

So my ancient foe, you have rebounded twice on this afternoon. Well-played.

[BlueandGold]

So my ancient foe, you have rebounded twice on this afternoon. Well-played.

He's just not a rebounding type of center (almost feels like an oxymoron), that's just not his game ironically.. He can score and is one of the quicker/craftier C's in the league (if can even call him that). I'm also certain the coaching staff over there doesn't want him going bruising around for rebounds either.. he need him to play to his strengths not expose his glaring weaknesses.

Either way he's in Toronto for one reason: to sell tickets.

[Real Men Wear Green]

I'm sorry, but your post doesn't make any sense.
He's just not a rebounding type of center (almost feels like an oxymoron), that's just not his game ironically.. He can score and is one of the quicker/craftier C's in the league (if can even call him that). I'm also certain the coaching staff over there doesn't want him going bruising around for rebounds either.. he need him to play to his strengths not expose his glaring weaknesses. 1: No "almost," it's an oxymoron.
2: Ok, I will grant you that I never got NBA coaching, but no coach I have ever heard has told me or anyone I played with not to rebound. And the bigger a kid was, the more rebounds were expected.


Either way he's in Toronto for one reason: to sell tickets.
:biggums:

[BlueandGold]

I'm sorry, but your post doesn't make any sense.1: No "almost," it's an oxymoron.
2: Ok, I will grant you that I never got NBA coaching, but no coach I have ever heard has told me or anyone I played with not to rebound. And the bigger a kid was, the more rebounds were expected.


:biggums:

Rebounds isn't just about size or length, there's so much more dimensions to it. There's boxing out, planting your foot, the stance, where your elbows should be, your spatial awareness of the defenders around you, the list goes on.

Rebounding also takes a physical toll on your body. Much like body shots to a boxer over time, it bruises and softens up the flesh which leads to potential injuries, which Bargaini's body type seems partial to. I didn't mean that the coach told him not to rebound. If he's got good position of course make a play on the ball. I'm saying there are players in the league who's job it is to bruise and box out and knock around players and there's also players in the league who get paid to score above anything else (99% of the time the most highest paid and thus the highest assests for any team).

I don't understand how as a basketball and NBA fan you "don't get coaching" but it's clear to me that Bargaini isn't the type to throw elbows on every possession like a perkins or dwight.

[ChuckOakley]

Shouldnt the fact the Celtics have been one of the worst rebounding teams in the league the last couple years bother the OP more than an individual player's rebounding stat on another team?

[RRR3]

Bargnani makes Amare look like Rodman :lol
Fun little known fact: Amare finished 9th in the NBA in rebounds per game in 2007. Stop acting like he can't get a rebound.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Rebounds isn't just about size or length, there's so much more dimensions to it. There's boxing out, planting your foot, the stance, where your elbows should be, your spatial awareness of the defenders around you, the list goes on. Alright. Now what excuses Bargs from this responsibility?


Rebounding also takes a physical toll on your body. Much like body shots to a boxer over time, it bruises and softens up the flesh which leads to potential injuries, which Bargaini's body type seems partial to. I didn't mean that the coach told him not to rebound. If he's got good position of course make a play on the ball. I'm saying there are players in the league who's job it is to bruise and box out and knock around players and there's also players in the league who get paid to score above anything else (99% of the time the most highest paid and thus the highest assests for any team). Dude, basketball is 5 on 5. Everyone has the responsibility to box out their man, and the bigger the position the bigger the responsibility, as bigs are closer to the basket and bigger than perimeter players. IF the opposing center or power forward is not being boxed out consistently he will ruin otherwise good defensive possessions by grabbing offensive rebounds and getting putbacks for easy scores. This is a bad thing that contributes to losing. Regardless of what you are paid. What is so hard to understand? Am I missing some white text?


I don't understand how as a basketball and NBA fan you "don't get coaching" but it's clear to me that Bargaini isn't the type to throw elbows on every possession like a perkins or dwight.
Someone please point out the white text. I can't really be having this discussion.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Shouldnt the fact the Celtics have been one of the worst rebounding teams in the league the last couple years bother the OP more than an individual player's rebounding stat on another team?
It does. But the Celtics win enough for me to complain about it here and there and move on. Picking at Bargs is an amusing online hobby. It's not like this is my primary focus.

[Pacers4ever]

If bargani is a center so is lebron and a much better one.

[Real Men Wear Green]

If bargani is a center so is lebron and a much better one.
I'm not going to address any James comparison, it isn't fair. But I will ask, if this guy isn't a center or pf, what is he? The man he's assigned to guard and fails to box out because, apparently, his coaches don't want him to get hurt, is always a big. So what is he? I will grant you that I've called him an overgrown shooting guard in the past but serious analysis requires that we assign him a position.

[ChuckOakley]

It does. But the Celtics win enough for me to complain about it here and there and move on. Picking at Bargs is an amusing online hobby. It's not like this is my primary focus.
They win enough, but ultimately it might have or may prevent them from being Champions. I think they need to package Bass, Lee, Sully, picks and see if they can't land an AV, AlJeff, Smith type to upgrade their rebounding and PF.

At least Bargs helps the Raptors stay bad and in the lotto, which you should appreciate as an Atlantic rival who enjoys the easy wins.

[Real Men Wear Green]

They win enough, but ultimately it might have or may prevent them from being Champions. I think they need to package Bass, Lee, Sully, picks and see if they can't land an AV, AlJeff, Smith type to upgrade their rebounding and PF.I don't think the Celtics will be Champions. Getting Big Al back for the right deal would be nice but I'm not holding my breath or overly concerned. Furthermore, this has nothing to do with the subject's shitty rebounding.


At least Bargs helps the Raptors stay bad and in the lotto, which you should appreciate as an Atlantic rival who enjoys the easy wins.
I don't care about all of that. I just find it funny because it's sorry. Really all there is to it.

[Overdrive]

Dude, basketball is 5 on 5. Everyone has the responsibility to box out their man, and the bigger the position the bigger the responsibility, as bigs are closer to the basket and bigger than perimeter players. IF the opposing center or power forward is not being boxed out consistently he will ruin otherwise good defensive possessions by grabbing offensive rebounds and getting putbacks for easy scores. This is a bad thing that contributes to losing. Regardless of what you are paid. What is so hard to understand? Am I missing some white text?

Exactly. It's not even about rebounding. It's about boxing out. It doesn't matter if he gets 1 or 15 rebounds aslong as he doesn't let his defensive assignment get it. So basically he could just stand in the way of the other team's PF/C and do a good job by doing it, but he doesn't even do that and there's no excuse. Guys like Kobe/Westbrook/Wade box out and do a better job blocking their opponents path in the very moment they are in/at the paint. How come their coaches don't give them the extra-treatment Bargnani gets? I mean they are even more important on offense to their team and play a less crucial position for rebounding?

It's just an excuse, rebounding(imo) as the second most crucial criteria to winning after putting the ball into the basket and if you're wannabe All-Star-Big doesn't get enough of them you're team won't go far in the standings.

[FKAri]

add Tiago splitter to that list..

add Omer Asik to that list.

[IGOTGAME]

I'm not going to address any James comparison, it isn't fair. But I will ask, if this guy isn't a center or pf, what is he? The man he's assigned to guard and fails to box out because, apparently, his coaches don't want him to get hurt, is always a big. So what is he? I will grant you that I've called him an overgrown shooting guard in the past but serious analysis requires that we assign him a position.

You know there was a time when coaches didn't assign this strict positions. People were just basketball players. Pretty sure they had serious analysis back then,

[Real Men Wear Green]

You know there was a time when coaches didn't assign this strict positions. People were just basketball players. Pretty sure they had serious analysis back then,
True. Does this at all excuse horrible rebounding effort?

[IGOTGAME]

True. Does this at all excuse horrible rebounding effort?


No, I have guys that don't rebound or play defense. That is why I'm so pissed about the change in my own teams philosophy.

[RaininTwos]

He sucked, he's sucking and he will always suck at rebounding.

[Whoah10115]

He's a stretch 4. Not a C, doesn't play C.


He's still a whack-ass rebounder.

[Real Men Wear Green]

He's a stretch 4. Not a C, doesn't play C.


He's still a whack-ass rebounder.
Valuncius (SP?)is the center now but in the past he played the 5.

[Whoah10115]

Valuncius (SP?)is the center now but in the past he played the 5.



I know...but he's whack-ass regardless.

[RaininThrees]

Rebounds isn't just about size or length, there's so much more dimensions to it. There's boxing out, planting your foot, the stance, where your elbows should be, your spatial awareness of the defenders around you, the list goes on.

Rebounding also takes a physical toll on your body. Much like body shots to a boxer over time, it bruises and softens up the flesh which leads to potential injuries, which Bargaini's body type seems partial to. I didn't mean that the coach told him not to rebound. If he's got good position of course make a play on the ball. I'm saying there are players in the league who's job it is to bruise and box out and knock around players and there's also players in the league who get paid to score above anything else (99% of the time the most highest paid and thus the highest assests for any team).

I don't understand how as a basketball and NBA fan you "don't get coaching" but it's clear to me that Bargaini isn't the type to throw elbows on every possession like a perkins or dwight.

I don't even know what to say about this.

You can't possibly be defending his inability to rebound, can you?

[50inchvertical]

:roll: :roll: I thought this thread was about Perkins.

[Real Men Wear Green]

:roll: :roll: I thought this thread was about Perkins.
I'm sure...*sniff*...there was...:cry: a perfectly good explanation:facepalm

[Nick Young]

The Gasol brothers are leading the semi-new trend of Euro-bigs that will change that perception.

But this topic's subject lives the stereotype to the fullest.
You mean Pau Gasoft and his brother 7'1" Marc Gasoft and his 7.6 RPG average?

[Rubio2Gasol]

You mean Pau Gasoft and his brother 7'1" Marc Gasoft and his 7.6 RPG average?

Pau Gasol put the Lakers on his back in game 7 against Boston. Have some respect.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Pau Gasol put the Lakers on his back in game 7 against Boston. Have some respect.
Comparing either Gasol brother to the subject is extremely disrespectful. But the poster that made said idiotic comparison is a known troll who I do my best to ignore.

[Nick Young]

Pau Gasol put the Lakers on his back in game 7 against Boston. Have some respect.
Kobe Bryant got 15 boards that game and shut down the lethal Ray Allen(GOAT CLUTCH REBOUNDING PERFORMANCE BY A SHOOTING GUARD EVER) and Meta World-Peace brought it all home.

Gasoft carries bags of flour home to his wife sometimes but he's never carried the lakers anywhere.

[LoneyROY7]

Kobe Bryant got 15 boards that game and shut down the lethal Ray Allen(GOAT CLUTCH REBOUNDING PERFORMANCE BY A SHOOTING GUARD EVER) and Meta World-Peace brought it all home.

Gasoft carries bags of flour home to his wife sometimes but he's never carried the lakers anywhere.

ROFL as this hypocrite.

Nick Young - "PAU GASOL (2x NBA champion powerforward) is an experienced veteran with a low post game and amazing passing abilities+leadership (captain of the spanish national team)."

Nick Young - "Pau Gasol, champion power foward and elite inside post presence"

[Legends66NBA7]

Pau Gasol put the Lakers on his back in game 7 against Boston. Have some respect.

Actually, it was total team effort that game.

I thought Artest was the best player on both ends.

[Money 23]

Ask Eddy Curry.

He managed to do this, not in an NBA game, but a HS game out here in Chicago. As a 7' ready made athlete headed into the NBA the next year.

Truly lazy, and utterly pathetic.

[alenleomessi]

irving having 0 assists is even more embarrassing

[SevereUpInHere]

Being a C and the closest guy to the basket during free throws should guarantee at least a couple of rebounds per game too.

[b1imtf]

ROFL as this hypocrite.

Nick Young - "PAU GASOL (2x NBA champion powerforward) is an experienced veteran with a low post game and amazing passing abilities+leadership (captain of the spanish national team)."

Nick Young - "Pau Gasol, champion power foward and elite inside post presence"
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Real Men Wear Green]

We've all been talking about NY of late and I was staying out of it for the main part because their fans get too much grief, but then, well, this guy played 26 minutes and got 1 rebound. So don't blame me, blame him.

[SpecialQue]

EDIT: Pathetic update

:lol

[Young X]

He's recorded 3 rebounds or less in 5/6 games so far. He has more 3 pt attempts than rebounds. Pathetic.

[Real Men Wear Green]

He's recorded 3 rebounds or less in 5/6 games so far. He has more 3 pt attempts than rebounds. Pathetic.
I really can't fault this analysis.

[CelticBaller]

http://hoopspeak.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/hibbert.jpg

A challenger appears

[Boarder Patrol]

http://hoopspeak.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/hibbert.jpg

A challenger appears

:roll:

[Smook A.]

This snuffleupagus lookin nikka :facepalm

http://i60.tinypic.com/2r72dzp.jpg
:lol

[MMM]

Is he injured and we just don't know it yet????

I can't explain it otherwise

[Real Men Wear Green]

Never seen an All-Star play this badly in the postseason. Normally we'd be like, "just 8 points and 6 boards? He's got to do better." But this dude has statlines that sound like he isn't even there.

[KyleKong]

Kwame Brown 2003-04:

[Trollsmasher]

Jason Collins disease...
homophobe:coleman:

[East_Stone_Ya]

[QUOTE=KyleKong]Kwame Brown 2003-04:

[HylianNightmare]

Jason Collins disease...


That's ****ed up dude

[S13M]

[QUOTE=KyleKong]Kwame Brown 2003-04:

[sbw19]

He's def injured or better be.