I think its now safe to say that Lebron won't be just a sidekick

[PistonsFan#21]

I dont care if Wade was there longer, Lebron is still a better player and will be the main player for the Heat (maybe not the main scorer though).

Just felt like pointing this out but im sure even the people hating or saying: ''this is Wade's team'' know this deep down in their heart.

[niko]

I dont care if Wade was there longer, Lebron is still a better player and will be the main player for the Heat (maybe not the main scorer though).

Just felt like pointing this out but im sure even the people hating or saying: ''this is Wade's team'' know this deep down in their heart.

if he dominates like that regularly that team would completely unravel. Bosh and Wade looked lost.

[branslowski]

Coolstorybro.....

[PurpleChuck]

Erm I don't acknowledge that, not even "deep down in my heart".

:lol @ Wade not being no.1 option just coz of ONE game. :facepalm

[Doranku]

Thread title should read "I think it's now safe to say that LeBron won't allow himself to be just a sidekick". Dude is going to play Cleveland-iso ball regardless of whether it's effective or not because he doesn't know how to play any other way.

[Sarcastic]

He is the 2 time reigning MVP. He is not going to be a sidekick, until he is 35 years old. All that talk of him being one was just a joke.

[ashlar]

Thread title should read "I think it's now safe to say that LeBron won't allow himself to be just a sidekick". Dude is going to play Cleveland-iso ball regardless of whether it's effective or not because he doesn't know how to play any other way.

Did you see him try and post up? :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[PowerGlove]

We have a lot of prophets and know it alls here. I just read threads and laugh.

[asdf1990]

u cant be the best player in the nba and a sidekick at the same time. only the haters fail to see that.

[PurpleChuck]

Thread title should read "I think it's now safe to say that LeBron won't allow himself to be just a sidekick". Dude is going to play Cleveland-iso ball regardless of whether it's effective or not because he doesn't know how to play any other way.

This. It's Wade's team and he's gonna live with that. He wants rings, he gonna yield to Riley and Wade.

[emsteez forreal]

dwyane wade won't be the number one option, and it's not because of one game. wade's the sidekick here. think about it, lebron can play more positions, reigning 2-time MVP, he's a better player than wade; why would he be a sidekick?

[Qwyjibo]

u cant be the best player in the nba and a sidekick at the same time. only the haters fail to see that.
Pretty much. Lebron has been the best player in the NBA for a few years now. Whatever team he is on, he will be the "man" or whatever you all want to call him.

[blondie]

lol CB4 got like 8 points and only 9 shots or something retarded.

If Lebron dominates the ball like last night he will turn Dwayne Wade into a Mo Williams spot up shooter and Chris Bosh into Anderson Varejao

[ashbelly]

lol CB4 got like 8 points and only 9 shots or something retarded.

If Lebron dominates the ball like last night he will turn Dwayne Wade into a Mo Williams spot up shooter and Chris Bosh into Anderson Varejao


:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: .. Wishful thinking breh, Tonight we are eating good against the Sixers..

[catch24]

With the way he and the Heat were playing yesterday night (pure isolation basketball), I think it's safe to say they aren't winning sh*t.

Seriously why do you dbags care who runs the team?

[Allstar24]

Thread title should read "I think it's now safe to say that LeBron won't allow himself to be just a sidekick". Dude is going to play Cleveland-iso ball regardless of whether it's effective or not because he doesn't know how to play any other way.
Yeah...watching the highlights on ESPN, it seems that the only time the Heat went on a run was when they played Lebron ball. We all know that never works against the Celtics (or any elite defensive team). It is not Lebron's fault since he is used to dominating the ball, thanks to his horrible coach and team in the past. But he has an All-star cast now...to win, he'll eventually have to sacrifice part of his game.

[Kblaze8855]

I dont think even idiods believed Lebron would be a sidekick to anyone. If they did its hard to wrap my head around it...

It was just never gonna happen. Back to back MVP who put up 30/9/8 and win 66 and 61 games dont join anyone and be a sidekick. Its just a ****ing stupid idea to begin with.

Wade wont be as passive the whole year. I suspect he will take over many many games late. But Lebron takes a backseat to nobody since Shaq in his prime. In importance he wouldnt be the best on a team with prime Duncan...but he would be the first option.

[Willkill24]

I think he is the sidekick, I mean he is the guy that is supposed to make his teammates better yet his 2 best options only scored 21 points shooting 7-27.:confusedshrug:

I guess Lebron just doesn't make his teammates better. fact.

[Raziball]

I think he is the sidekick, I mean he is the guy that is supposed to make his teammates better yet his 2 best options only scored 21 points shooting 7-27.:confusedshrug:

I guess Lebron just doesn't make his teammates better. fact.

I think that he does make his teammates better but just not that much as everyone says he does, assists only tell half of the story

[step_back]

Both Bron and Wade are not off the ball players, never have been so they will have to make adjustments to their games.

If Wade were a Ray Allen type shooting guard they wouldn't have a problem with each other. I see Wade having to change his game the most. I wouldn't be surprised if Bosh became and expensive garbage man grabbing boards etc, he is not on the same level defensive wise to anchor the "D". Maybe that is something they will work on?

[creepingdeath]

I dont think even idiods believed Lebron would be a sidekick to anyone. If they did its hard to wrap my head around it...

It was just never gonna happen. Back to back MVP who put up 30/9/8 and win 66 and 61 games dont join anyone and be a sidekick. Its just a ****ing stupid idea to begin with.

Wade wont be as passive the whole year. I suspect he will take over many many games late. But Lebron takes a backseat to nobody since Shaq in his prime. In importance he wouldnt be the best on a team with prime Duncan...but he would be the first option.
Couldn't have said it better. :cheers: Though I'm excited to see how Riley changes the offensive sets, coz last night was just funny as hell to watch as a non-Heat fan. :D

[Jacks3]

I dont think even idiods believed Lebron would be a sidekick to anyone. If they did its hard to wrap my head around it...

It was just never gonna happen. Back to back MVP who put up 30/9/8 and win 66 and 61 games dont join anyone and be a sidekick. Its just a ****ing stupid idea to begin with.

Wade wont be as passive the whole year. I suspect he will take over many many games late. But Lebron takes a backseat to nobody since Shaq in his prime. In importance he wouldnt be the best on a team with prime Duncan...but he would be the first option.

He would be the #2 guy next to Prime Kobe. Fact.

[LAClipsFan33]

He would be the #2 guy next to Prime Kobe. Fact.

He'd be 1st option. Kobe would play off ball

[Funnyfuka]

u cant be the best player in the nba and a sidekick at the same time. only the haters fail to see that.


the guy cant play in a team tho.

[KoRn]

He'd be 1st option. Kobe would play off ball


only because kobe and wade can play off the ball better. but come money time, it's wade time.

[KobeKlutch]

He'd be 1st option. Kobe would play off ball

Kobe would definitely be the first option.

If these two were on the same team, the only reason why Lebron may be the first option is because Lebron's game is very limited.

Kobe is the better all around player and is so versatile that he can adjust to any style of play....Lebron, well, he doesn't even know how to post up or play without the ball.

Pretty pathetic that Lebron is the first option because of his limited ability to play different styles.

[Kingwillball]

Kobe would definitely be the first option.

If these two were on the same team, the only reason why Lebron may be the first option is because Lebron's game is very limited.

Kobe is the better all around player and is so versatile that he can adjust to any style of play....Lebron, well, he doesn't even know how to post up or play without the ball.

Pretty pathetic that Lebron is the first option because of his limited ability to play different styles.


Keep telling yourself that..maybe U might believe it !

[KobeKlutch]

Keep telling yourself that..maybe U might believe it !

I have always said this about Lebron after watching him play in Cleveland.

Now everyone in the basketball world is seeing how Lebron got exposed. Look at the stat line....Wade scoring so less?....fine, it's preseason for him technically. Bosh?....he makes Bosh look like a scrub while he's scoring 31.

Lebron knows Lebron ball.:facepalm

[PistonsFan#21]

I have always said this about Lebron after watching him play in Cleveland.

Now everyone in the basketball world is seeing how Lebron got exposed. Look at the stat line....Wade scoring so less?....fine, it's preseason for him technically. Bosh?....he makes Bosh look like a scrub while he's scoring 31.

Lebron knows Lebron ball.:facepalm

Wade still took 16 shots. Is it Lebron's fault he only made 4 of them? Have you even watched the game? And Bosh went 3 for 11. Lebron was the most efficient scorer that night so i didnt see a problem with him taking more shots.

[Yung D-Will]

And I think it's now safe to say Wade won't be the second option.


When the ball is in Wade's hands he plays Wade ball. He played point for a large part of the game and did what he's been doing for the past 2 seasons. Most of those shots are shots Wade could make with his eyes closed but you can tell there was rust.

[miamiandorlando]

Did you see him try and post up? :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


i think everyone remembers that

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

enough with the sidekick :mad:

[itsGameTime]

Lebron - 5-12fg, 6 rbs, 7ast, 9 turnovers, 16 points

Wade - 10-20fg 7 rbs, 4ast, 1 turnover, 30 points

I think its now safe to say that Lebron will be just a sidekick

[LA_Showtime]

Lebron - 5-12fg, 6 rbs, 7ast, 9 turnovers, 16 points

Wade - 10-20fg 7 rbs, 4ast, 1 turnover, 30 points

I think its now safe to say that Lebron will be just a sidekick

Yeah, right. :rolleyes:

At this point it looks like he'll be a quadruple double threat, though. BTW, that's not a good thing.

[asdf1990]

lebron is just letting wade stat pad against scrub teams. whr was wade when the heat needed him againc the celtics? missing shots.

[oh the horror]

Lebron's turnovers the last two games have been simply atrocious. Dude needs to settle it down a bit.

[Kingwillball]

Lebron - 5-12fg, 6 rbs, 7ast, 9 turnovers, 16 points

Wade - 10-20fg 7 rbs, 4ast, 1 turnover, 30 points

I think its now safe to say that Lebron will be just a sidekick


Lebron let Wade get his Feet under him tonight plus he played more of the distributing role tonight since he exerted the most energy last night he let the other guys get it going a bit. Lebron probably saving his energy to go full throttle Fri night against Magic in home Opener..

[oh the horror]

Lebron let Wade get his Feet under him tonight plus he played more of the distributing role tonight since he exerted the most energy last night he let the other guys get it going a bit. Lebron probably saving his energy to go full throttle Fri night against Magic in home Opener..


Dude, hes like 26 years old, and a physical freak. He has energy to spare.


They're obviously all still adjusting to eachother in a big way.

[SavageMode]

Damn Wade did great tonight, only if he played like this against Celtics.


Lebron - 5-12fg, 6 rbs, 7ast, 9 turnovers, 16 points

Wade - 10-20fg 7 rbs, 4ast, 1 turnover, 30 points

I think its now safe to say that Lebron will be just a sidekick

Rofl after only 1 game everyone jumps to conclusions. Kids are so stupid. :facepalm

[Samurai Swoosh]

lebron is just letting wade stat pad against scrub teams. whr was wade when the heat needed him againc the celtics? missing shots.
It was his 1st game back, jesus tap dancing christ ..

[LBJMVP]

Lebron's turnovers the last two games have been simply atrocious. Dude needs to settle it down a bit.


hahaha who said he would average a triple double.
switch turnovers with rebounds or assist and he might get it.

[LA_Showtime]

Damn Wade did great tonight, only if he played like this against Celtics.



Rofl after only 1 game everyone jumps to conclusions. Kids are so stupid. :facepalm
Well, technically, it has been two games.

[Samurai Swoosh]

enough with the sidekick :mad:
http://wwwery.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/11tech_sidekick.jpg

[oh the horror]

It was his 1st game back, jesus tap dancing christ ..



Apparently people really do not grasp the concept of how hard it is, to come from NOT playing (from an injury no less) to walking directly on a court, and trying to play a high intensity game, against a team like Boston.


You cant just merely walk out there, and drop 30 points. It doesnt work like that folks.

[asdf1990]

It was his 1st game back, jesus tap dancing christ ..

2nd game back shouldn't be that drastic of a change.

[LA_Showtime]

Apparently people really do not grasp the concept of how hard it is, to come from NOT playing (from an injury no less) to walking directly on a court, and trying to play a high intensity game, against a team like Boston.


You cant just merely walk out there, and drop 30 points. It doesnt work like that folks.

Kobe could do it. :oldlol: (And he has)

[no pun intended]

I like how the Heat are still experimenting while they will still beat other teams. lol.

[Samurai Swoosh]

Apparently people really do not grasp the concept of how hard it is, to come from NOT playing (from an injury no less) to walking directly on a court, and trying to play a high intensity game, against a team like Boston.


You cant just merely walk out there, and drop 30 points. It doesnt work like that folks.
Seriously ... even for pros ... even for ELITE best player in the game caliber pros.

:facepalm

[Samurai Swoosh]

Kobe could do it. :oldlol: (And he has)
Don't do it ... no bait

[-M-I]

Apparently people really do not grasp the concept of how hard it is, to come from NOT playing (from an injury no less) to walking directly on a court, and trying to play a high intensity game, against a team like Boston.


You cant just merely walk out there, and drop 30 points. It doesnt work like that folks.
The guy hasn't played a game in 5 months and people expect him to come out full force against a top defensive team in the C's.

[chazzy]

It's gonna be funny watching Lebron fans and Wade fans argue over who's the "man" all season long. Nice to have that luxury though :oldlol:

[itsGameTime]

Damn Wade did great tonight, only if he played like this against Celtics.



Rofl after only 1 game everyone jumps to conclusions. Kids are so stupid. :facepalm

Hey I'm just using the OP's (a known Lebron bandwagoner) logic.

[Samurai Swoosh]

2nd game back shouldn't be that drastic of a change.
The quality of the opponent played a large factor in that as well. Boston has had the best defense in the league the past 3 years. They want you to go 1 v.s. 5 and/or play ISO ball with your best player.

[itsGameTime]

The quality of the opponent played a large factor in that as well. Boston has had the best defense in the league the past 3 years. They want you to go 1 v.s. 5 and/or play ISO ball with your best player.

That doesn't help Lebron's case. Wade was torching the Celtics in the playoffs last season. Lebron has been struggling against them since 2008.

[Samurai Swoosh]

That doesn't help Lebron's case. Wade was torching the Celtics in the playoffs last season. Lebron has been struggling against them since 2008.
LeBron has had some good games against them ... 45 in game 7 in 2008. 21 point first quarter in game 3 this past year. But the Celtics want you to go ISO ball with your best player.

[Micku]

Fanboys are going to be bricking all the time except seeing the Heat as a team. They are teammates now, they are not competing against each other.

[Kingwillball]

It's gonna be funny watching Lebron fans and Wade fans argue over who's the "man" all season long. Nice to have that luxury though :oldlol:

Wade fans know deep down Lebron is the man they just wont give in cause Lebron is coming to MIami and Wades team. However when it was HIS team they did nothing Lebron took a Mediocre Cavs team deep into the Playoffs for yrs. Bottom line Wade is a Great Player but Lebron is slightly better.. Wonder if those two think about it as much as the fans..

[B-Easy]

this whos the man .. whos the sidekick , is pretty stupid.

Lebron and Wade are gonna interchange as best players ..

Wade had 30pts , 7 rebs , 4 assists , 3 steals , 2blocks .. today

this has nothing to do with Lebron getting out of the way .. Wade is a freakin superstar too , hes not gonna dissapear into the background .. either player is too good to be a sidekick.

[Kingwillball]

this whos the man .. whos the sidekick , is pretty stupid.

Lebron and Wade are gonna interchange as best players ..

Wade had 30pts , 7 rebs , 4 assists , 3 steals , 2blocks .. today

this has nothing to do with Lebron getting out of the way .. Wade is a freakin superstar too , hes not gonna dissapear into the background .. either player is too good to be a sidekick.


Wade also got going getting to the Line and Getting out on the Break a couple times on plays Lebron made either tipping a pass or Blocking a Shot.. They may alternate night to night as the leading scorer depending on who is feeling better , in Foul trouble and how defenses are playing them and who has easier matchup.

[oh the horror]

this whos the man .. whos the sidekick , is pretty stupid.

Lebron and Wade are gonna interchange as best players ..

Wade had 30pts , 7 rebs , 4 assists , 3 steals , 2blocks .. today

this has nothing to do with Lebron getting out of the way .. Wade is a freakin superstar too , hes not gonna dissapear into the background .. either player is too good to be a sidekick.



Its going to be pretty much the nature of the Heat.....some nights will have Bosh as the main contributor....while other nights will have Lebron going off, and other nights will have Wade. ALL THREE will hardly go off every night....its the nature of superstars joining up.

[BallsOut]

Wade fans know deep down Lebron is the man they just wont give in cause Lebron is coming to MIami and Wades team. However when it was HIS team they did nothing Lebron took a Mediocre Cavs team deep into the Playoffs for yrs. Bottom line Wade is a Great Player but Lebron is slightly better.. Wonder if those two think about it as much as the fans..

Oh you know that Lebron is thinking about it:

"But I can't hold back because my leadership skills won't allow me to do that."
"A person like myself always needs a great sidekick"
"I can't defer," James said. "I'm never in defer mentality.

[knightfall88]

This back and forth arguing between who is the man of the Heat is the reason why neither is getting an MVP.

[LA_Showtime]

Don't do it ... no bait

LMAO it wasn't meant at baiting. I think James is clearly the best player in the NBA. I'm just saying Kobe has done it before. :oldlol:

[itsGameTime]

LeBron has had some good games against them ... 45 in game 7 in 2008. 21 point first quarter in game 3 this past year. But the Celtics want you to go ISO ball with your best player.

I'm talking about averages. Lebron may have 1 or 2 good games against them in the playoffs, but overall he's horrible. High turnovers on low percentage shooting. Wade was terrific against Boston in the playoffs, shot a high%, low turnovers, etc.

[sh0wtime]

They will be and are 1a & 1b, but with different duties i hope, i would like to see Lebron take more of that Magic role and Wade more of that Jordan role.

Only maybe Chris Bosh will come out as a "sidekick", even though he probably isnt. All this is kindof objective, think of the Celtics big 3? Who is / was the sidekick for them? All of them are equally great players, they just sacrifice whatever and do whatever in order to win.

[tontoz]

Since one game is enough to make firm conclusions :rolleyes: I think that the Philly game clearly shows that Lebron will be Wade's sidekick.

Lebron has 16 points and 9 turnovers but the Heat win anyway behind Wade's 30 points and only 1 turnover.

[chazzy]

Wade fans know deep down Lebron is the man they just wont give in cause Lebron is coming to MIami and Wades team. However when it was HIS team they did nothing Lebron took a Mediocre Cavs team deep into the Playoffs for yrs. Bottom line Wade is a Great Player but Lebron is slightly better.. Wonder if those two think about it as much as the fans..
:oldlol:

[chris2010]

Lebron went there b/c wade was there. So automatically its lebron's team. right

[itsGameTime]

Miami vs. Philly 10/27:

Lebron - 5-12fg, 6 rbs, 7ast, 9 turnovers, 16 points

Wade - 10-20fg 7 rbs, 4ast, 1 turnover, 30 points

I think its now safe to say that Lebron will be just a sidekick

Miami vs. Magic 10/28:

Lebron - 6-13fg, 6rbs, 7ast, 3 turnovers, 15 points

Wade- 9-20fg, 6rbs, 3ast, 4 turnovers, 26 points

I think its now safe to say that Lebron will be just a sidekick

[branslowski]

http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn105/dante1st/lebronbatman.jpg

I still lol@ these pics...:oldlol:

[LA_Showtime]

It's pretty damn obvious to anyone who's watched the Heat this season without goggles that LeBron James is the best player on the team. He does everything Wade does, except he's better, faster, stronger. There won't be problems this season, though, because James looks content letting Wade take most of the shots. In fact, the only guy who has looked remotely selfish is D-Wade. Sure, LeBron made a couple of questionable comments in the media, but his actions speak otherwise.

[KobeKlutch]

Not only is Lebron not a sidekick....he and Bosh are borderline Batgirls.

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

It's pretty damn obvious to anyone who's watched the Heat this season without goggles that LeBron James is the best player on the team. He does everything Wade does, except he's better, faster, stronger. There won't be problems this season, though, because James looks content letting Wade take most of the shots. In fact, the only guy who has looked remotely selfish is D-Wade. Sure, LeBron made a couple of questionable comments in the media, but his actions speak otherwise.

You dont know bball.
DWade is the man. He has wayyy more offensive skills than Lebron. The only thing Robin does better is rebound.
Just watch...when it comes down to the 4th quarter, in a close game, DWade is the man.
I will give Lebron credit though, in just 3 games he has figured out what to do... give the ball to DWade and get the hell out of the way.

[crisoner]

http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn105/dante1st/lebronbatman.jpg

I still lol@ these pics...:oldlol:

THIS

:applause:

[LA_Showtime]

You dont know bball.
DWade is the man. He has wayyy more offensive skills than Lebron. The only thing Robin does better is rebound.
Just watch...when it comes down to the 4th quarter, in a close game, DWade is the man.
I will give Lebron credit though, in just 3 games he has figured out what to do... give the ball to DWade and get the hell out of the way.

You tell me I don't know basketball and then you come off as an arrogant Laker fan who hates LeBron James. Okay, bud.

[catch24]

http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn105/dante1st/lebronbatman.jpg

I still lol@ these pics...:oldlol:

LMAO!

[beermonsteroo]

I wonder how long James will accept the second fiddle role. I can smell some beef ahead.

[LA_Showtime]

I wonder how long James will accept the second fiddle role. I can smell some beef ahead.

I expect he'll conform until he absolutely has to take over. Picture this:

The Heat win a lot of games. Everyone hates them.

The Heat play a legitimate team (the Lakers), and they continue to play Wade 1a/LeBron 1b/Bosh 200d. It does not work. LeBron takes over in the second half and they win (actually, if they win, then let's see it's the Celtics).

[PurpleChuck]

I expect he'll conform until he absolutely has to take over. Picture this:

The Heat win a lot of games. Everyone hates them.

The Heat play a legitimate team (the Lakers), and they continue to play Wade 1a/LeBron 1b/Bosh 200d. It does not work. LeBron takes over in the second half and they win (actually, if they win, then let's see it's the Celtics).

Won't happen. Blowout wins everytime we play L.A :oldlol:

[LA_Showtime]

Won't happen. Blowout wins everytime we play L.A :oldlol:

Well, yeah, you guys will obviously blow out the Clips... you're right.

[KobeKlutch]

I actually feel sad for Lebron because he was the main man and somehow Riley and Wade conned him into coming to Miami because now Lebron is being held back in a sense.

His full potential will never be there.

Imagine MJ joining another team and becoming a 18 points per game guy because all those scoring titles and MVP's would have never existed.

Too bad Lebron...you sold your soul to the devil named Riley.:facepalm

[PurpleChuck]

Well, yeah, you guys will obviously blow out the Clips... you're right.

Pure delusion.:facepalm

Lakers or Clippers, doesn't matter, we gonna pwn those noobs.:lol

Why? Coz we da bess!

[PurpleChuck]

:lol @ Laker/Kobe fans being subjective over Lebron's matter. Fk you hypocrites.

No sidekick bs here, only big 3. And yeah, you guys scared.

[KobeKlutch]

I'm just telling it, how I see it because to be honest, the Lakers have won so many championships that there isn't a team we are worried about.

[Scuba Steve]

Lebron is the best player on our team, though its good to see he doesn't care about his stats at all now that he is on this team. I really think having Riley watching over him will do wonders for him.
If his play is anything to go by on this new Heat team in terms of not caring about getting 'his' then he has already matured.

[PurpleChuck]

I'm just telling it, how I see it because to be honest, the Lakers have won so many championships that there isn't a team we are worried about.
:roll:

Okay okay cool. No worries haha.:rolleyes:

[KobeKlutch]

Lebron is the best player on our team, though its good to see he doesn't care about his stats at all now that he is on this team. I really think having Riley watching over him will do wonders for him.
If his play is anything to go by on this new Heat team in terms of not caring about getting 'his' then he has already matured.

I don't think he's the best player on the team. I believe Wade is better and there is no proof of what you claim.

I don't see any evidence of Lebron being better than Wade. Lebron is the help to Wade's house. Like a maid.

[strifed169]

It's pretty damn obvious to anyone who's watched the Heat this season without goggles that LeBron James is the best player on the team. He does everything Wade does, except he's better, faster, stronger. There won't be problems this season, though, because James looks content letting Wade take most of the shots. In fact, the only guy who has looked remotely selfish is D-Wade. Sure, LeBron made a couple of questionable comments in the media, but his actions speak otherwise.

money post

could be lebron is tired of having all those celebrations and moments in the regular season only to throw it all away in the playoffs, maybe he really is hell bent on just WINNING, and WILL do whatever it takes to turn his new team into a scary machine.

[LA_Showtime]

Yup, the Heat are the best. Ya know, you guys could win every single year until LeBron retires and you guys still wouldn't have as many championships as the Lakers. Sad.

[KobeKlutch]

money post

could be lebron is tired of having all those celebrations and moments in the regular season only to throw it all away in the playoffs, maybe he really is hell bent on just WINNING, and WILL do whatever it takes to turn his new team into a scary machine.

If I was a team, I would fear the Lakers more than the Heat.

Lakers are swine fluness!

[PurpleChuck]

If I was a team, I would fear the Lakers more than the Heat.

Lakers are swine fluness!
:facepalm

Delusional LA fans.

[JM720]

If the trend of the last two games continues for the most part, its going to be hard to change. Cause we know they're going to win a ton playing just like they have the last two games, so the whole "if it aint broke dont fix it" will kick in, why change something thats working will be asked. Its going to be interesting to see how Lebron handles this.

[knightfall88]

he sure looked like a sidekick today

[Scuba Steve]

I don't think he's the best player on the team. I believe Wade is better and there is no proof of what you claim.

I don't see any evidence of Lebron being better than Wade. Lebron is the help to Wade's house. Like a maid.

2 MVP's sure do. Along with watching the game tells me he is.

[KobeKlutch]

If the trend of the last two games continues for the most part, its going to be hard to change. Cause we know they're going to win a ton playing just like they have the last two games, so the whole "if it aint broke dont fix it" will kick in, why change something thats working will be asked. Its going to be interesting to see how Lebron handles this.

That's what I'm saying the Heat will benefit more if Lebron is a sidekick and which he is.

If they keep winning like this, don't try to make Lebron into a lead dog because they will lose.

The Heat will lose if Lebron scores 30 or more...he needs to keep it at 15 points per game and at 15 ppg, that is not best player in the league numbers.

[Scuba Steve]

That's what I'm saying the Heat will benefit more if Lebron is a sidekick and which he is.

If they keep winning like this, don't try to make Lebron into a lead dog because they will lose.

The Heat will lose if Lebron scores 30 or more...he needs to keep it at 15 points per game and at 15 ppg, that is not best player in the league numbers.


Agreed. I guess its like the LA relationship where now that Gasol has become the lead dog its working a lot better.

[KobeKlutch]

2 MVP's sure do. Along with watching the game tells me he is.

You must be a recent Heat fan and long term Lebron fan. I can tell by your logic.

Any real Heat fan wouldn't be saying the things you are saying.

[Scuba Steve]

You must be a recent Heat fan and long term Lebron fan. I can tell by your logic.

Any real Heat fan wouldn't be saying the things you are saying.

That makes absolutely no sense.

Am I mistaken or do Lebron, Wade and Bosh all play for the Heat?

[PurpleChuck]

LA fans need to STFU with their crap, trying to break down Miami Heat's fanbase huh...

GTFO, MH gonna kick LA's sorry ass everytime they meet.:oldlol:

We da bess!

[catch24]

:facepalm

[sh0wtime]

Wade is not playing so much differently, but Lebron is, he has taken upon the role of more of a pass first type of PG and is focusing alot of energy defensively, they are doing whatever its asked from them to win.

There is no "sidekick" here, sorry guys.

[PurpleChuck]

Lebron isn't Wade's sidekick, neither is Wade Lebron's. Only case is Bosh is their sidekick.

Miami Heat with 2 of the best players in the league will take over the next decade and win every championship there is to win.

[knightfall88]

lol @ there is no sidekick. The one who misses out on the MVP or finals MVP will be the sidekick.

[ukballer]

Neither are sidekicks. They both have equal status, and if they haven't already, will soon learn that they'll probably end up taking it in turns over who goes off one game or the next. Like some guy mentioned in the thread earlier, a lot can depend on matchups etc.

I don't get why people feel the need to box these guys up into specific roles. I don't get what is hard to fathom about these guys sharing the load, and why one always needs be the batman, and the other always needs to be the robin. It's an adjustment for them both, yes. But I can't see why one can't defer to the other on one night, and then basically swap the role for the next game, or couple of games, depending on matchups, fitness, form etc. I'd like to think they are intelligent enough to do that, but if they aren't, then Miami are in trouble. Nothing so far suggests to me that Wade and LeBron are not co-existing. Hell, maybe they don't even need to defer to one another some nights. They could both score 25+ in the same game if they are both on their game and dominating the ball. Whether that's winning type ball is another matter, but like I'm saying, they can co-exist without too much trouble in my opinion.

I think it's Chris Bosh who's having to play the sidekick role behind both of them really. Nobody is really taking about that. He's clearly had to make the biggest adjustment out of all 3 of them.

[Shepseskaf]

This back and forth arguing between who is the man of the Heat is the reason why neither is getting an MVP.
James and Wade would both trade a chance for MVP for winning multiple championships. Its basically the reason they decided to pay together, right?

Seriously, though, what's the over/under on rumors surfacing that Spoelstra "isn't in control of the team"? I say between 20 and 30 games, and of course that will mean that Slick Riley is ready to stab another coach in the back and take over.

[PurpleChuck]

lol @ there is no sidekick. The one who misses out on the MVP or finals MVP will be the sidekick.

You telling me Duncan was Tony Parker's sidekick in 2007? GTFO with your nonsense.

Haha I see there's quite a bit of haters lurking around, jealous of the Miami big 3.:oldlol:

[sh0wtime]

lol @ there is no sidekick. The one who misses out on the MVP or finals MVP will be the sidekick.

Finals MVP = who played just microscopically better during 4-7 games, yes even Carlos Arroyo could win it.

MVP = who played better during 82 games, its a better achievement and could indeed be the difference between being a sidekick or not.

[blondie]

Heat looked unstoppable tonight when Lebron was playing the unselfish PG role ala Wade's sidekick

[BallsOut]

I know ISH isn't going to ignore the fact that Wade has close to two 30+ games now to Lebron's one 30+ game.

Wade has taken care of the ball way better as well. The only thing keeping Lebron's name on the map is ESPN/media. It's Wade's team. Just check the averages.

[dynasty1978]

Think ESPN is gettting a bit irritated by Wade's brilliance? :oldlol:

[Yung D-Will]

Stfu. It's more like a Superman-Batman thing rather then a sidekick.

[Hulk Hogan]

:oldlol: @ Lebron's fans ALL getting bent out of shape...

[The_Yearning]

Lol after the preseason injury and the sloppy game 1, Wade has came back and reclaimed his throne. Sorry King James.

[Willkill24]

I guess Lebron is gonna have to go into defer mentality since it's D-Wade's team. :oldlol:

[JM720]

Think ESPN is gettting a bit irritated by Wade's brilliance? :oldlol:

:oldlol: After preseason games and even game 1 espn and alot of their writers were quick to claim of imply Lebron as the leader, Lets see if they are just as quick to do the same for Wade, if (A big If) the team continue the trend of the last two games.

[Yung D-Will]

And what about Bosh? He needs to make up for last night as well. Is LBJ going to take a back seat and let these two redeem themselves? LBJ is letting his supremacy be known...he is the true #1 leader and alpha dawg of South Beach.




Lol after the preseason injury and the sloppy game 1, Wade has came back and reclaimed his throne. Sorry King James.



You change your mind way to easily.

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

You change your mind way to easily.
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[BallsOut]

I guess Lebron is gonna have to go into defer mentality since it's D-Wade's team. :oldlol:

But I thought Lebron can't defer. I thought he was never in "defer mentality". :oldlol:

[Papaya Petee]

Isn't a hillarious when a guy named "KobeClutch" comes into a LeBron thread to hate on him.

[Willkill24]

But I thought Lebron can't defer. I thought he was never in "defer mentality". :oldlol:

He should've taken more mental notes cause he looks like he changed his mind again. :D

[Ikill]

You change your mind way to easily.
:lol

[Ikill]

there is no sidekick people need to stop well there is bosh

[Hulk Hogan]

there is no sidekick people need to stop well there is bosh

Whatever helps you sleep better at night...:rolleyes:

[Yung D-Will]

Whatever helps you sleep better at night...:rolleyes:

There really isn't.

[hawke812]

But I thought Lebron can't defer. I thought he was never in "defer mentality". :oldlol:

ROFL yeah. Lesson is we should watch what we say. It can come back and bite us in our butt:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Indian guy]

I see LeBron looking for his own offense only when it's really necessary. Until then he looks content being Magic to Wade's Kareem out there.

[Younggrease]

I see LeBron looking for his own offense only when it's really necessarily. Until then he looks content being Magic to Wade's Kareem out there.

I severely doubt that. Learn will take whatever course if action that gets hum the most praise. Oh and that comparison the lakes is both wring and insulting to two lake legends.

[LBJ_MVP09]

IDK why or how LeBron is being a sidekick if he chooses to distribute as opposed to chucking shots playing ISO sets every play. His main priority is winning. If he doesn't need to take over, he won't. LOL at someone saying it's Wade's team because he has two 30 point games and LBJ only has one. What a troll.:hammerhead:

[B-Easy]

IDK why or how LeBron is being a sidekick if he chooses to distribute as opposed to chucking shots playing ISO sets every play. His main priority is winning. If he doesn't need to take over, he won't. LOL at someone saying it's Wade's team because he has two 30 point games and LBJ only has one. What a troll.:hammerhead:

after 1 game it was clearly Lebrons team, now its clearly Wades team .. these guys are gonna be flip floppin all season arguin whose team it is .. they dont get when you got two superstars that have been equals for their whole careers, its not gonna change just because theyre playing together .. theyre both gonna continue to be elite players, no one is taking a step back .. this team has two elite guys leading them.

[Ikill]

IDK why or how LeBron is being a sidekick if he chooses to distribute as opposed to chucking shots playing ISO sets every play. His main priority is winning. If he doesn't need to take over, he won't. LOL at someone saying it's Wade's team because he has two 30 point games and LBJ only has one. What a troll.:hammerhead:
Well it is wades team not actually sure what that means but lebron is no sidekick

[LA_Showtime]

I want LeBron James to goof around and dance on the sidelines again. It would infuriate other teams. :oldlol:

[BallsOut]

after 1 game it was clearly Lebrons team, now its clearly Wades team .. these guys are gonna be flip floppin all season arguin whose team it is .. they dont get when you got two superstars that have been equals for their whole careers, its not gonna change just because theyre playing together .. theyre both gonna continue to be elite players, no one is taking a step back .. this team has two elite guys leading them.

Lebron = Wade in careers now? :oldlol:

Sorry man. You can't have 2 alpha dogs. There can only be one.

[LA_Showtime]

I wonder if LeBron regrets taking the red pill.

[RJChPD]

Ballsout is one of the worst trolls on this website.:roll:

[itsGameTime]

http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn105/dante1st/lebronbatman.jpg

I still lol@ these pics...:oldlol:

:roll: I wonder how Lebron's liking his new sidekick role in Miami behind Wade.

First game he drops 30points on 8 turnovers and they lose. Next two games Wade drops 30+ points on low turnovers and they win. I think we all know who the real sidekick is. It's not Wade.

[LA_Showtime]

:roll: I wonder how Lebron's liking his new sidekick role in Miami behind Wade.

First game he drops 30points on 8 turnovers and they lose. Next two games Wade drops 30+ points on low turnovers and they win. I think we all know who the real sidekick is. It's not Wade.

He's obviously adjusting just fine. He is clearly Miami's best player, and yet he's deferring for the team's sake, although I do think he'll eventually be forced to be more aggressive if the Heat want to win a championship.

[PurpleChuck]

TBH I'm surprise at Lebron actually being unselfish and learning to glue with his new team. It's pretty obvious his mentality has changed towards winning and not statpadding. I'm hyped about the new Miami Heat come playoff time!

[itsGameTime]

He's obviously adjusting just fine. He is clearly Miami's best player, and yet he's deferring for the team's sake, although I do think he'll eventually be forced to be more aggressive if the Heat want to win a championship.

The stats suggest otherwise. Wade is clearly Miami's best player according to the stats. It's the same reason why a lot of people say Lebron was the best player last season. No double standard.

[evilmonkey]

The stats suggest otherwise. Wade is clearly Miami's best player according to the stats. It's the same reason why a lot of people say Lebron was the best player last season. No double standard.

Man go kill yourself trollonerd, Lebron is the best player on that team he is just being unselfish and he will still end up with better productions in that team anyways, just give it some more games and you will see what i mean.....

Lebron is ranked #2 most productive player in NBA history behind Michael Jordan, HELL NO Wade will outproduce him............

The only way of Lebron producing somewhat overall less than Wade is if he lets Wade do all the scoring possible, which will give Lebron still: 14 ppg, 7 rpg, 13 apg. which is still more effective & productive numbers than a simple 25 ppg season................

[vinsane01]

Of course he's not a sidekick but neither is wade. But fans dont like the idea of a team run by 2 players. It's either youre batman or youre robin. I guess who's who will be decided by numbers and not the way the game was played.

[Yung D-Will]

Man go kill yourself trollonerd, Lebron is the best player on that team he is just being unselfish and he will still end up with better productions in that team anyways, just give it some more games and you will see what i mean.....

Lebron is ranked #2 most productive player in NBA history behind Michael Jordan, HELL NO Wade will outproduce him............

The only way of Lebron producing somewhat overall less than Wade is if he lets Wade do all the scoring possible, which will give Lebron still: 14 ppg, 7 rpg, 13 apg. which is still more effective & productive numbers than a simple 25 ppg season................

You're such a troll sometimes.

[itsGameTime]

Heat vs. 76ers 10/27:

Lebron - 5-12fg, 6 rbs, 7ast, 9 turnovers, 16 points

Wade - 10-20fg 7 rbs, 4ast, 1 turnover, 30 points

I think its now safe to say that Lebron will be just a sidekick

Heat vs. Magic 10/28:

Lebron - 6-13fg, 6rbs, 7ast, 3 turnovers, 15 points

Wade- 9-20fg, 6rbs, 3ast, 4 turnovers, 26 points

I think its now safe to say that Lebron will be just a sidekick


Heat vs. Nets 10/31
Lebron - 5-12fg, 7rbs, 7asts 5 turnovers, 20 points
Wade - 4-9fg, 6rbs, 7asts 1 turnover, 17 points

In 4 games with the Miami Heat, Lebron has outplayed Wade once in the game 1 loss to Boston (Lebron had 8 turnovers), while Wade has outplayed Lebron in the next 3 games (all Heat wins).

Wade is the man. I think its now safe to say that Lebron will be just a sidekick.

[Soundwave]

Wade - 21.5 ppg so far
LeBron - 20.1 ppg so far

Wow, that sure is a massive difference.

There is no "sidekick", they're both top 5 players in the NBA right now and they both are capable of scoring when ever they basically want to.

LeBron's turnovers will come down as he adjusts to playing with new teammates.

[itsGameTime]

Wade - 21.5 ppg so far
LeBron - 20.1 ppg so far

Wow, that sure is a massive difference.

There is no "sidekick", they're both top 5 players in the NBA right now and they both are capable of scoring when ever they basically want to.

LeBron's turnovers will come down as he adjusts to playing with new teammates.

:oldlol: I'm sorry. Sports doesn't work that way. Kobe also average 1-2 fewer points when he was playing with Shaq and has relentlessly been deemed the sidekick of the pairing over the years. There's no double standard.

Wade is the man. The stats don't lie. Accept it and move on.

[thejumpa]

Role-wise...

Wade=Jordan
LeBron=Pippen

None of this really matters because LeBron is still the better player.

[Soundwave]

:oldlol: I'm sorry. Sports doesn't work that way. Kobe also average 1-2 fewer points when he was playing with Shaq and has relentlessly been deemed the sidekick of the pairing over the years. There's no double standard.

Wade is the man. The stats don't lie. Accept it and move on.

Wade's my favorite player, so really I don't give that much of a crap either way.

But this isn't like Jordan averaging 32 ppg and Pippen topping out at 20/21 ppg no matter how much you want it to be.

Unlike Shaq and Kobe, Wade and LeBron actually get along. Shaq and Kobe made that an issue, not anyone else. Just because they couldn't stand each other doesn't mean every pairing of great players from now on has to be that way.

[itsGameTime]

Wade's my favorite player, so really I don't give that much of a crap either way.

But this isn't like Jordan averaging 32 ppg and Pippen topping out at 20/21 ppg no matter how much you want it to be.

When did I mention that it was like Jordan/Pippen? I said it's more like Shaq/Kobe since Kobe avged a fewer points and was deemed the sidekick. No double standard.

In sports, there is always one player that is viewed as the man. There can only be one. For the Miami Heat, that man is Dwyane Wade. The stats don't lie. Accept it and move on.

[Soundwave]

When did I mention that it was like Jordan/Pippen? I said it's more like Shaq/Kobe since Kobe avged a fewer points and was deemed the sidekick. No double standard.

In sports, there is always one player that is viewed as the man. There can only be one. For the Miami Heat, that man is Dwyane Wade. The stats don't lie. Accept it and move on.

I'm fine with it being Wade then, but reality is Wade/LeBron/Bosh are going to write their own destiny.

Just because Shaq and Kobe behaved like two 12-year-olds for most of their tenure together doesn't mean every team with two or more great players is going to be a carbon copy of that gong show.

[Nash]

:oldlol:I'm sorry. Sports doesn't work that way. Kobe also average 1-2 fewer points when he was playing with Shaq and has relentlessly been deemed the sidekick of the pairing over the years. There's no double standard.

Wade is the man. The stats don't lie. Accept it and move on.
So the same guy who thinks the most dominant player in the NBA is a sidekick after 4 games is telling people how sports work? Great...

Look, obviously Lebron gets a different role with this team cuz he's by far more versatile than Wade. If they gave Lebron the role of being the scorer and Wade doing more than one thing the team would not function as well. And if Lebron wanted, he could go 30+ a game but why utilize only one skill if you can use them all?

[Yung D-Will]

Why does there have to be a sidekick .

Gonna be more like Stockton-Malone. Where both are considered great partners in their own right.

[Nash]

Why does there have to be a sidekick .

Gonna be more like Stockton-Malone. Where both are considered great partners in their own right.
:applause:

[itsGameTime]

:applause:

No. Malone was purely a scorer. Stockton was purely a passer. Not a good comparison when both Wade and Lebron are trying to do everything.

[BlueandGold]

With the way he and the Heat were playing yesterday night (pure isolation basketball), I think it's safe to say they aren't winning sh*t.

Seriously why do you dbags care who runs the team?

this

[Kurosawa0]

this

If you're making the assessment off of the four games we've seen, that means you're already discounting a team that is holding teams to 80 points a game and 40% shooting.

Seriously, that's just really stupid.

[BFRESH44]

It's funny how some of ya'll cats can ramble on and on with this tired subject, when these two dudes themselves(James and Wade) probably don't give a damn about such nonsense.

[BlueandGold]

If you're making the assessment off of the four games we've seen, that means you're already discounting a team that is holding teams to 80 points a game and 40% shooting.

Seriously, that's just really stupid.

lol read?


With the way he and the Heat were playing yesterday night

lol it's sad how mad people get just from some negative words about their team, on the internet no less. Seriously grow up

[BallsOut]

It's funny how some of ya'll cats can ramble on and on with this tired subject, when these two dudes themselves(James and Wade) probably don't give a damn about such nonsense.

Oh you know that Lebron is thinking about it:

"But I can't hold back because my leadership skills won't allow me to do that."
"A person like myself always needs a great sidekick"
"I can't defer," James said. "I'm never in defer mentality.

How about Bosh?

"I don't want to be mentioned as an addition to a team," Bosh said prior to the season [video below]. "I want to be mentioned as the guy that people want to center their team around."

"I want to hold onto that because I think every kid when they dream about playing basketball, they don't dream about being a role player. They dream about being the man. I have that position in Toronto and to give that up and go somewhere else to be an addition would kinda defeat the purpose of my dreams."

So let's not pretend that these egos don't exist. Rather they're just on the verge of exploding at some point. :lol

[EarlTheGoat]

Of course it means, it means lots.


It means Lebitch is not a leader, just a mere follower.

[Johnni Gade]

ofcourse he isn't

[EarlTheGoat]

ofcourse he isn't

yep, he aint a leader.

[InfiniteBaskets]

Oh you know that Lebron is thinking about it:

"But I can't hold back because my leadership skills won't allow me to do that."
"A person like myself always needs a great sidekick"
"I can't defer," James said. "I'm never in defer mentality.

How about Bosh?

"I don't want to be mentioned as an addition to a team," Bosh said prior to the season [video below]. "I want to be mentioned as the guy that people want to center their team around."

"I want to hold onto that because I think every kid when they dream about playing basketball, they don't dream about being a role player. They dream about being the man. I have that position in Toronto and to give that up and go somewhere else to be an addition would kinda defeat the purpose of my dreams."

So let's not pretend that these egos don't exist. Rather they're just on the verge of exploding at some point. :lol
Let's cross our fingers and pray every night for the Heat egos to mesh. That's what I do instead of actually watching and enjoying their games.

[The_Yearning]

It's funny how some of ya'll cats can ramble on and on with this tired subject, when these two dudes themselves(James and Wade) probably don't give a damn about such nonsense.

Lol why are you in denial? LBJ wants it to be known that this is his team. That's why he showed up when they played Boston. LBJ will show his supremacy when they play the big games.

[EarlTheGoat]

Lol why are you in denial? LBJ wants it to be known that this is his team. That's why he showed up when they played Boston. LBJ will show his supremacy when they play the big games.

His supremacy was awesome in games 5 and 6 of the last playoffs.

[itsGameTime]

His supremacy was awesome in games 5 and 6 of the last playoffs.

:oldlol:

[Kurosawa0]

lol read?



lol it's sad how mad people get just from some negative words about their team, on the internet no less. Seriously grow up

My team? What?

You're still making an assumption off of a really small sample size. It's just a stupid and ridiculous comment.

[Willkill24]

His supremacy was awesome in games 5 and 6 of the last playoffs.

lol

[Samurai Swoosh]

I don't think there is a true sidekick in the James / Wade dichotomy. Bosh is both of their sidekicks. Would've been so much better with Amare instead, though.

:(

[itsGameTime]

Heat vs. 76ers 10/27:
Lebron - 5-12fg, 6 rbs, 7ast, 9 turnovers, 16 points
Wade - 10-20fg 7 rbs, 4ast, 1 turnover, 30 points

Heat vs. Magic 10/28:
Lebron - 6-13fg, 6rbs, 7ast, 3 turnovers, 15 points
Wade- 9-20fg, 6rbs, 3ast, 4 turnovers, 26 points

Heat vs. Nets 10/31
Lebron - 5-12fg, 7rbs, 7asts 5 turnovers, 20 points
Wade - 4-9fg, 6rbs, 7asts 1 turnover, 17 points


Heat vs. Wolves 11/02
Lebron, 7-12fg, 12asts, 0rbs, 1 turnover 20 points
Wade, 12-17fg, 2asts,1rb, 3 turnovers, 26 points

And another game where Wade has outscored Lebron. I think its now safe to say that Lebron will be just a sidekick.

[ShaqAttack3234]

Heat vs. Wolves 11/02
Lebron, 7-12fg, 12asts, 0rbs, 1 turnover 20 points
Wade, 12-17fg, 2asts,1rb, 3 turnovers, 26 points

And another game where Wade has outscored Lebron. I think its now safe to say that Lebron will be just a sidekick.

Wait, so the sidekick is the second leading scorer? Then how was Lebron the sidekick vs New Jersey or Boston?

20 pts, 12 asts> 26 pts, 2 asts

Lebron has been a better player than Wade for most of their careers, and I don't see why that will suddenly change now. Their numbers are pretty close.

Lebron- 20.4 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 7.2 apg, 1.4 spg, 0.8 bpg, 5.2 TO, 47.1 FG%
Wade- 22.4 ppg, 5 rpg, 4.2 apg, 1.6 spg, 1 bpg, 3 TO, 47.6 FG%

If either of them ends up being a sidekick, it will be Wade.

[blondie]

Wade is the sidekick, Lebron is the man, I hope Lebron can hold his ego in check for the season and playoffs because that gives Miami the best chance to win, if he keeps deferring to Wade

[Hotbullets]

I'm really liking LeBron's playing style so far. He didn't even THINK about scoring in the first half, always dishing to the open man, loved it.

He needs to watch the turnovers, however... 5 TO's a game, that's far too much.

[PurpleChuck]

I'm really liking LeBron's playing style so far. He didn't even THINK about scoring in the first half, always dishing to the open man, loved it.

He needs to watch the turnovers, however... 5 TO's a game, that's far too much.

Yup Lebron is learning to be the great playmaker we Heat fans want him to be. Props to him for being mature and willing. Go Lebron! Go Heat!

[Indian guy]

LeBron/Wade are like Magic/Kareem when Kareem was still at the top of his game. Needless to say, Wade's Kareem and LeBron's Magic. Wade's the #1 scoring option while LeBron's job is to get everyone involved. There is no sidekick here. Just 2 great players leading the team. People need to stop obsessing about this.

[Ne 1]

LeBron/Wade are like Magic/Kareem when Kareem was still at the top of his game. Needless to say, Wade's Kareem and LeBron's Magic. Wade's the #1 scoring option while LeBron's job is to get everyone involved. There is no sidekick here. Just 2 great players leading the team. People need to stop obsessing about this.

No.

Wade/LeBron are more of Bird/McHale or Jordan/Pippen.

It's not on the same level as Kareem/Magic or Shaq/Kobe from 2001-2004.

[2LeTTeRS]

LeBron/Wade are like Magic/Kareem when Kareem was still at the top of his game. Needless to say, Wade's Kareem and LeBron's Magic. Wade's the #1 scoring option while LeBron's job is to get everyone involved. There is no sidekick here. Just 2 great players leading the team. People need to stop obsessing about this.

The sad thing is people pretend that the 2 leaders scenario is not even a possibility. Since most of us grew up in the 90s and were in diapers in the 80s (or not even born) we tend to believe that in any duo there has to be a Jordan and a Pippen.

It was the same type of argument people incorrectly used to downplay Kobe''s contributions to the Shaq-Kobe Lakers for the better part of the previous decade, and I guess we can expect Bron to get the same treatment now.

[PurpleChuck]

No.

Wade/LeBron are more of Bird/McHale or Jordan/Pippen.

It's not on the same level as Kareem/Magic or Shaq/Kobe from 2001-2004.

What the holy f*ck is the difference!?!

[asdf1990]

What the holy f*ck is the difference!?!


The difference is every1 hates lebron so they want to think he will be a sidekick.

[PurpleChuck]

The difference is every1 hates lebron so they want to think he will be a sidekick.

Lol so it seems like everyone's mad and delusional.:oldlol:

[Ne 1]

What the holy f*ck is the difference!?!

The difference is with Bird/McHale, Jordan/Pippen and Wade/LeBron its clear who the 2nd option is. With Kareem/Magic and Shaq/Kobe from '01-'04 it wasn't always clear who the #1 option was and many people considered it a 1a/1b situation.

[jlip]

The sad thing is people pretend that the 2 leaders scenario is not even a possibility. Since most of us grew up in the 90s and were in diapers in the 80s (or not even born) we tend to believe that in any duo there has to be a Jordan and a Pippen.

It was the same type of argument people incorrectly used to downplay Kobe''s contributions to the Shaq-Kobe Lakers for the better part of the previous decade, and I guess we can expect Bron to get the same treatment now.

What is also so interesting is that if you ask the 90's Bulls' players and coaches they will actually tell you that Pippen was just as much the leader of the Bulls as MJ was. The Pippen as a "sidekick" label was basically coined by the media. Teams often have 2 leaders. And frankly there are several types of leaders also. The problem is we don't see practices, plane rides, team meetings, and other venues which is where the players spend most of their time together. All we see is the 48 minutes they play together in a game, and more often than not we assume that the bigger "star" or leading scorer is the primary leader, when often that's not the case.

[PurpleChuck]

The difference is with Bird/McHale, Jordan/Pippen and Wade/LeBron its clear who the 2nd option is. With Kareem/Magic and Shaq/Kobe from '01-'04 it wasn't always clear who the #1 option was and many people considered it a 1a/1b situation.

Alright Kareem/Magic I give it to you. But the one with Shaq/Kobe is just pure homerism.:facepalm

Oh so we can't see who's the sidekick between Shaq and Kobe back in the days.:roll:

[asdf1990]

Lol if there is any duo in the NBA where it was clear who the sidekick was it was the shaq/Kobe duo.

[madmax]

What is also so interesting is that if you ask the 90's Bulls' players and coaches they will actually tell you that Pippen was just as much the leader of the Bulls as MJ was. The Pippen as a "sidekick" label was basically coined by the media. Teams often have 2 leaders. And frankly there are several types of leaders also. The problem is we don't see practices, plane rides, team meetings, and other venues which is where the players spend most of their time together. All we see is the 48 minutes they play together in a game, and more often than not we assume that the bigger "star" or leading scorer is the primary leader, when often that's not the case.

:applause: :bowdown: People are too obessed with scoring and high PPG - they can't trully appreciate the impact of all-arround players like Pippen or Lebron, who are leaders in their own right and with their own style. I blame Jordan for instilling this deeply flawed misconception that high PPG >> all-arround play. That's simply not true.

[Ne 1]

Alright Kareem/Magic I give it to you. But the one with Shaq/Kobe is just pure homerism.:facepalm

Oh so we can't see who's the sidekick between Shaq and Kobe back in the days.:roll:

:confusedshrug:

2001 season:
Shaq 28ppg
Kobe 28ppg

2001 playoffs:
Shaq 30ppg
Kobe 29ppg

2002 season:
Shaq 27ppg
Kobe 25ppg

2002 playoffs:
Shaq 28ppg
Kobe 27ppg

2003 season:
Kobe 30ppg
Shaq 27ppg

2003 playoffs:
Kobe 32ppg
Shaq 27ppg

2004 season:
Kobe 24ppg
Shaq 21ppg

2004 playoffs:
Kobe 24ppg
Shaq 21ppg


Defiantly a lot close than Wade/LeBron.

[jlip]

I respect Wade as one of the players on the short list of those who can make a claim to being the best in the game today, but my question is when did he become some "epic" leader? As a young player he won a title nearly half a decade ago with a team filled with seasoned veterans and a hall of fame coach. He was the best performer on that team, but since then he hasn't been out of the first round even once. As a matter of fact in the games he's played in since then, his teams have had a cumulative losing record. Also Riley accused him of coming into the '09-'10 season out of shape. Does winning a title 4 years ago establish you as a legendary leader, while the rest of your career is meaningless?

[PurpleChuck]

:confusedshrug:

2001 season:
Shaq 28ppg
Kobe 28ppg

2001 playoffs:
Shaq 30ppg
Kobe 29ppg

2002 season:
Shaq 27ppg
Kobe 25ppg

2002 playoffs:
Shaq 28ppg
Kobe 27ppg

2003 season:
Kobe 30ppg
Shaq 27ppg

2003 playoffs:
Kobe 32ppg
Shaq 27ppg

2004 season:
Kobe 24ppg
Shaq 21ppg

2004 playoffs:
Kobe 24ppg
Shaq 21ppg


Defiantly a lot close than Wade/LeBron.

GTFO with stats, Shaq dominated, Kobe was his sidekick. Give some due to facts!

[97 bulls]

:confusedshrug:

2001 season:
Shaq 28ppg
Kobe 28ppg

2001 playoffs:
Shaq 30ppg
Kobe 29ppg

2002 season:
Shaq 27ppg
Kobe 25ppg

2002 playoffs:
Shaq 28ppg
Kobe 27ppg

2003 season:
Kobe 30ppg
Shaq 27ppg

2003 playoffs:
Kobe 32ppg
Shaq 27ppg

2004 season:
Kobe 24ppg
Shaq 21ppg

2004 playoffs:
Kobe 24ppg
Shaq 21ppg


Defiantly a lot close than Wade/LeBron.
You didn't read magmax or jlips post. Sad

[Ne 1]

GTFO with stats, Shaq dominated, Kobe was his sidekick. Give some due to facts!

And Kobe didn't also dominate?

In 2001 during the San Antonio series Shaq called Kobe ''the best player in the world''.

[Harion]

Thread title should read "I think it's now safe to say that LeBron won't allow himself to be just a sidekick". Dude is going to play Cleveland-iso ball regardless of whether it's effective or not because he doesn't know how to play any other way.
crow is now served. please eat up.

With the way he and the Heat were playing yesterday night (pure isolation basketball), I think it's safe to say they aren't winning sh*t.

Seriously why do you dbags care who runs the team?
you sir, also win a tasty dish of crow.

[sh0wtime]

:confusedshrug:

2001 season:
Shaq 28.7 ppg (19 FG attempts), 12.7 rpg, 3.7 apg, 2.8 bpg, FG 57%
Kobe 28.5 ppg (22 FG attempts), 5.9 rpg, 5.0 apg, 1.7 spg, FG 46%

2001 playoffs:
Shaq 30.4 ppg (21 FG attempts), 15.4 rpg, 3.2 apg, 2.4 bpg, FG 56%
Kobe 29.4 ppg (22 FG attempts), 7.3 rpg, 6.1 apg, 1.5 spg, FG 46%



Fixed, thats just one year i bothered to fix, all those other years you mentioned it was the same story, but it gives you an idea of how much better-productive Shaq was. Kobe was good, but he just so happened to play together with a much more dominant force.

Shrug on that.

[ShaqAttack3234]

:confusedshrug:

2001 season:
Shaq 28ppg
Kobe 28ppg

2001 playoffs:
Shaq 30ppg
Kobe 29ppg

2002 season:
Shaq 27ppg
Kobe 25ppg

2002 playoffs:
Shaq 28ppg
Kobe 27ppg

2003 season:
Kobe 30ppg
Shaq 27ppg

2003 playoffs:
Kobe 32ppg
Shaq 27ppg

2004 season:
Kobe 24ppg
Shaq 21ppg

2004 playoffs:
Kobe 24ppg
Shaq 21ppg


Defiantly a lot close than Wade/LeBron.

Shaq and Kobe were both top 5 each of those years, top 3 some of them, but I'd say Lebron/Wade is closer than '01 and '02 Shaq/Kobe.

Shaq was the man on the 2001 and 2002 teams, and no, I don't consider 25+ ppg, great defense and playmaking sidekick production either, then there were a lot of debates after that, and it was really close.

Neither Lebron or Wade are going to produce like sidekicks, but ironically, both of them have stats a lot lower than Pippen's prime stats which were 21/8/7 and 22/9/6.

But over the course of the season, their numbers will probably look a lot better.

But with Shaq and Kobe, Phil always said Shaq was the first option, I don't think either Wade or Lebron are specifically in that role.

Of course in LA, it was easier to balance that because they didn't have an actual 3rd option, even Rice in 2000 didn't really have plays run for him and was more of a role player and that was when Kobe was a 22 ppg guy. After that, the closest thing to a 3rd option was Derek Fisher who was a spot up shooter, not a creator, in other words a role player.

In Miami, they have 2 superstars, who like Shaq and Kobe have won scoring titles, but then another guy who has averaged between 22-24 ppg for the past 5 seasons.

[sh0wtime]

I respect Wade as one of the players on the short list of those who can make a claim to being the best in the game today, but my question is when did he become some "epic" leader? As a young player he won a title nearly half a decade ago with a team filled with seasoned veterans and a hall of fame coach. He was the best performer on that team, but since then he hasn't been out of the first round even once. As a matter of fact in the games he's played in since then, his teams have had a cumulative losing record. Also Riley accused him of coming into the '09-'10 season out of shape. Does winning a title 4 years ago establish you as a legendary leader, while the rest of your career is meaningless?

This.

[Disaprine]

i'll bump this thread by the end of the season. :lol

[itsGameTime]

The stats don't lie folks. Wade averaging more points on better efficiency, less turnovers, and less minutes as each game goes by. Only way Lebron has been keeping up is stat padding in blowout games like last night when the Heat were up double digits at halftime.

Come to grips with it LeBron fans. Dwyane Wade is the man and rightfully so, and that's why Lebron has been deferring to him, because he knows it too.

[Nash]

The stats don't lie folks. Wade averaging more points on better efficiency, less turnovers, and less minutes as each game goes by. Only way Lebron has been keeping up is stat padding in blowout games like last night when the Heat were up double digits at halftime.

Come to grips with it LeBron fans. Dwyane Wade is the man and rightfully so, and that's why Lebron has been deferring to him, because he knows it too.
You're probably the biggest troll I've seen on this forum. Congrats, thats a big achievement.

[ShaqAttack3234]

The stats don't lie folks. Wade averaging more points on better efficiency, less turnovers, and less minutes as each game goes by. Only way Lebron has been keeping up is stat padding in blowout games like last night when the Heat were up double digits at halftime.

Come to grips with it LeBron fans. Dwyane Wade is the man and rightfully so, and that's why Lebron has been deferring to him, because he knows it too.

What is this trash?

You mention that Lebron averages more turnovers, but fail to mention that Lebron is averaging 3 more assists than Wade, which is bigger than the difference in turnovers.

Better efficiency? A 47.6 to 47.1 FG% edge is negligible, particularly when Lebron has a 58.2 to 56.2 TS% advantage, and an eFG% of 50.7% vs Wade's 50.6%.

So 5 games can determine who the better player is? I guess Pau Gasol is better than Kobe by your ridiculous logic.

Lebron has been better than Wade for several years, and 5 games isn't enough to change that.

[canefandynasty]

Wade has been statically better than LeBron. Let's be honest.

[Doranku]

Who cares about stats? Anyone who's watched the games can see that it's WADE who's been WINNING games, not LeBron. Their only loss was the only good game LeBron had, where the offense looked like the Miami Cavaliers.

Coincidence?

Nah. I do applaud LeBron, though, for (at least for now) adjusting his game and becoming more of a playmaker.

[JustinJDW]

Why do you guys care so much about who is #1 or #2. Why can't the Heat just be good.

[Papaya Petee]

Who the f*** cares who's the man? I am a die hard Miami fan and I don't care who does better at all, were winning so far and that's all that matters.

James Jones has been probably the biggest surprise this year, and he is a huge factor of winning. Should I say he is the man? Everyone is contributing, defense has been great, and we are winning. Everyone here is arguing between Wade and LeBron and I'm just sitting there enjoying the W's pile up. Enjoying great team defense, help defense, toughness, open court play, and of course the BIG 3.

Wade has been doing better then LeBron so far, but who the hell cares, its been 5 games. As long as Miami wins a championship, even DeSean Butler can be FMVP.

[Ikill]

You're probably the biggest troll I've seen on this forum. Congrats, thats a big achievement.
lebron fans always say that type of stuff

[Ikill]

Who the f*** cares who's the man? I am a die hard Miami fan and I don't care who does better at all, were winning so far and that's all that matters.

James Jones has been probably the biggest surprise this year, and he is a huge factor of winning. Should I say he is the man? Everyone is contributing, defense has been great, and we are winning. Everyone here is arguing between Wade and LeBron and I'm just sitting there enjoying the W's pile up. Enjoying great team defense, help defense, toughness, open court play, and of course the BIG 3.

Wade has been doing better then LeBron so far, but who the hell cares, its been 5 games. As long as Miami wins a championship, even DeSean Butler can be FMVP.
this

[LA_Showtime]

Who cares about stats? Anyone who's watched the games can see that it's WADE who's been WINNING games, not LeBron. Their only loss was the only good game LeBron had, where the offense looked like the Miami Cavaliers.

Coincidence?

Nah. I do applaud LeBron, though, for (at least for now) adjusting his game and becoming more of a playmaker.

Are you serious? It's obvious that LeBron is the superior player. And despite most people's concerns, he's accepting second banana and letting Wade take the majority of the shots.

[itsGameTime]

Through 6 games:
Dwyane Wade, 33 mins, 46.9%fg, 5.8 rb, 3.8 asts, 3.67 turnovers, 23.3 points
LeBron James, 35.5 mins, 45.3%fg, 5.0rb, 7.7 asts, 4.83 turnovers, 20.3 points

Heat vs. Nets 11/06
James, 9-16fg, 3 rbs, 9 asts, 4 turnovers, 23 points
Wade, 10-17fg, 10rbs, 3 asts, 3 turnovers, 29 points

And another game where Wade has outplayed Lebron. It is becoming clearer and clearer who the sidekick is, and it's not Wade. :applause:

Where are all the dumbasses that said the Heat would be Lebron's team?

[Doranku]

Are you serious? It's obvious that LeBron is the superior player. And despite most people's concerns, he's accepting second banana and letting Wade take the majority of the shots.

Please explain to me how it's so 'obvious'.

[sh0wtime]

No, there is a difference between a sidekick and the best player in the world taking the role as a 2nd scoring option and playing alot pointguard.
Wade will hence average a bit more points, but that doesnt mean he will have better overall stats-numbers-productions than Lebron.

[knightfall88]

No, there is a difference between a sidekick and the best player in the world taking the role as a 2nd scoring option and playing alot pointguard.

actually theres no difference. If the heat are successful, one of them isnt getting the MVP and one of them is not getting the finals mvp - right now that person is Lebron, therefore he is the side kick.

[itsGameTime]

No, there is a difference between a sidekick and the best player in the world taking the role as a 2nd scoring option and playing alot pointguard.

There's a difference between being delusional and facing reality.

The stats are there for you Lebron homers. You used it to prop Lebron up last season. Now you disregard it when he's not doing as well. Bunch of hypocrites.

:applause:

[asdf1990]

There's a difference between being delusional and facing reality.

The stats are there for you Lebron homers. You used it to prop Lebron up last season. Now you disregard it when he's not doing as well. Bunch of hypocrites.

:applause:

according to ur stats lebron is contributing about 36 ppg and wade is contributing about 31ppg, nice try. not to mention so many of lebrons assists lead to ft's, so they don't show up on the stat sheets, on the other wade's don't.

[sh0wtime]

There's a difference between being delusional and facing reality.

The stats are there for you Lebron homers. You used it to prop Lebron up last season. Now you disregard it when he's not doing as well. Bunch of hypocrites.

:applause:

Im no Lebron homer sorry, stats doesnt mean a thing when you know what the player is capable of and when you know the player doesnt need to be a one man army for his team to win.

A superstar before him who made the same sacrifice to win is Kobe Bryant. Why do you think Kobe is still regarded as one of the best players and some say even the best despite many having better stats than him, despite even Gasol having better stats than him right now? Is Kobe a sidekick for that? No.

Last but not least even if you care about the stats so much, Lebron is by facts much more productive than Wade, at this moment into the season its way to ridicilously early to make any kindof such speculation, in only 1 game you can right now go from 30 ppg to 10 ppg.

Trolling is not healthy mr Gametime.

[Indian guy]

Who the f*** cares who's the man? I am a die hard Miami fan and I don't care who does better at all, were winning so far and that's all that matters.

It's not even about not caring. Anyone watching the games or heck, even the stat lines, can see that there's no sidekick here. The team is being led by 2 alpha-dogs.

[itsGameTime]

It's not even about not caring. Anyone watching the games or heck, even the stat lines, can see that there's no sidekick here. The team is being led by 2 alpha-dogs.

Too bad in sports there's always an alpha dog. History will deem one man on the Heat. That man is Wade right now.

[Soundwave]

It's pretty much a wash, but even if Wade is the go-to no.1 guy for now, I suspect it could change some as the years go by (LeBron is younger).

Besides their PPG is a bit of a wash when LeBron averages like 4+ more assists per game, meaning he's probably generating more total offense than Wade does.

I mean if Jordan averaged 32 ppg and 4 apg, but Pippen was able to put up 29 ppg and 10 apg ... in that situation ... who's the "top dog" again? That would be a toss up.

Fact is, Wade and LeBron are probably the two best players in the NBA right now.

Also who are the sidekicks in Boston and who's the main star?

[itsGameTime]

It's pretty much a wash, but even if Wade is the go-to no.1 guy for now, I suspect it could change some as the years go by (LeBron is younger).

Besides their PPG is a bit of a wash when LeBron averages like 4+ more assists per game, meaning he's probably generating more total offense than Wade does.

I mean if Jordan averaged 32 ppg and 4 apg, but Pippen was able to put up 29 ppg and 10 apg ... in that situation ... who's the "top dog" again? That would be a toss up.

Fact is, Wade and LeBron are probably the two best players in the NBA right now.

Also who are the sidekicks in Boston and who's the main star?

Best player in the NBA doesn't put up 20/5/5. Don't give the honors to someone who doesn't deserve it.

Denial. It's not just a river in Egypt. :applause:

[sh0wtime]

Yep, according to gametimes logic:

Gasol is the man for Lakers right now.
Westbrook is the man for Thunder right now.
Monta Ellis is the MVP right now, best player in the NBA.
Devin Harris is better passer than Steve Nash, 7.4 > 7.2.

and so on.

[Soundwave]

Best player in the NBA doesn't put up 20/5/5. Don't give the honors to someone who doesn't deserve it.

Denial. It's not just a river in Egypt. :applause:

LOL, you have to be a pretty massive hater to not concede LeBron James is at least a top 3 player in the NBA.

Even if the guy's a jerk, he can ball, there's no doubt about that.

[itsGameTime]

LOL, you have to be a pretty massive hater to not concede LeBron James is at least a top 3 player in the NBA.

Even if the guy's a jerk, he can ball, there's no doubt about that.

1) You said top 2.

2) 20/5/5 doesn't cut top 3. He's not even the best player on his own team.

[itsGameTime]

Yep, according to gametimes logic:

Gasol is the man for Lakers right now.
Westbrook is the man for Thunder right now.
Monta Ellis is the MVP right now, best player in the NBA.
Devin Harris is better passer than Steve Nash, 7.4 > 7.2.

and so on.

It's not hard to accept. Clear the fog from your Lebron homer goggles. Wade is the man as of now.

[Soundwave]

1) You said top 2.

2) 20/5/5 doesn't cut top 3. He's not even the best player on his own team.

I said top 2 because I do feel he's top 2, probably top 1, really.

Why don't you man up and say on record you don't think LeBron James is a top 3 player in the NBA for the last 3 years (sorry your magical universe that's only 2 weeks old doesn't count).

Then we can all laugh at you ... well we all already are, but it'll just make it more blatantly obvious.

[itsGameTime]

I said top 2 because I do feel he's top 2, probably top 1, really.

Why don't you man up and say on record you don't think LeBron James is a top 3 player in the NBA for the last 3 years.


:oldlol: Who cares about the last 3 years. I'm talking right now. That's what I would expect from a Lebron homer though. Always talking about the past. Sorry this isn't Cleveland. He's not putting 30/8/7 up on this team. Wade is the man. Stats don't lie.

Accept it and move on. :confusedshrug:

[Soundwave]

:oldlol: Who cares about the last 3 years. I'm talking right now. That's what I would expect from a Lebron homer though. Always talking about the past. Sorry this isn't Cleveland. He's not putting 30/8/7 up on this team. Wade is the man. Stats don't lie.

Accept it and move on. :confusedshrug:

So if LeBron isn't that great, Cleveland should win what at least 45 games right? They shouldn't plummet from 60+ wins into the basement ... unless of course a certain player put that team on his back and led them to 60+ wins.

The haters are not going to touch this one because they know it exposes their argument badly.

And oh yeah so Gasol > Kobe too, right? Accept it and move on.

[sh0wtime]

I mean if Jordan averaged 32 ppg and 4 apg, but Pippen was able to put up 29 ppg and 10 apg ... in that situation ... who's the "top dog" again? That would be a toss up.

Are you serious?

29 ppg + 10 apg is much better than 32 ppg + 4 apg.

1 assist leads to 2-3 points right? 10 assists means Pippen was accountable for between 20-30 of his teams points, plus add his 29 ppg that means he was accountable for 49-59 of his teams points day in and day out.

Compared to 32 ppg + 4 apg, 4 assists is being accountable for 8 - 12 of your teams points, plus the 32 ppg then Jordan was accountable for 40-44 of his teams points.

49-59 points accountability (Pippen) > 40-44 points accountability (Jordan).

That example is bad anyways, its not like Pippen was ever that good or even close to how good Jordan was. :D

[ginobli2311]

:oldlol: Who cares about the last 3 years. I'm talking right now. That's what I would expect from a Lebron homer though. Always talking about the past. Sorry this isn't Cleveland. He's not putting 30/8/7 up on this team. Wade is the man. Stats don't lie.

Accept it and move on. :confusedshrug:

i think wade is the best player in the game. but wade is the scorer and lebron is the setup guy. that is fine. right now wade has been better more valuable....as i expected him to be. lebron needs improve his turnovers....which he already has a great deal. and he really needs to attack the defensive and offensive boards a lot more. if bron is putting up 22 8 8....i don't know who will be more valuable.

the sidekick thing is a little premature right now after so few games but i do think wade is a slightly better overall player and have for the last few years. but i will get neg repped for saying wade is better than bron and kobe. people don't watch or know the game...but i'll get neg repped. standard ish.

[Soundwave]

Are you serious?

29 ppg + 10 apg is much better than 32 ppg + 4 apg.

1 assist leads to 2-3 points right? 10 assists means Pippen was accountable for between 20-30 of his teams points, plus add his 29 ppg that means he was accountable for 49-59 of his teams points day in and day out.

Compared to 32 ppg + 4 apg, 4 assists is being accountable for 8 - 12 of your teams points, plus the 32 ppg then Jordan was accountable for 40-44 of his teams points.

49-59 points accountability (Pippen) > 40-44 points accountability (Jordan).

Thanks, you just proved my point.

23 ppg + 4 apg

is not neccessarily better than

20 ppg + 7.7 apg

The second player is actually generating more offense than the first guy.

[itsGameTime]

So if LeBron isn't that great, Cleveland should win what at least 45 games right? They shouldn't plummet from 60+ wins into the basement ... unless of course a certain player put that team on his back and led them to 60+ wins.

Thanks for proving my point that Lebron homers have no argument so they resort to the past and try to change the subject.

Have fun watching Lebron play robin to Wade's batman :oldlol:

[Soundwave]

Thanks for proving my point that Lebron homers have no argument so they resort to the past and try to change the subject.

Have fun watching Lebron play robin to Wade's batman :oldlol:

I'm totally fine with it. Wade is my favorite player. I'm just not dumb enough to think LeBron James is like 1/2 the player Wade is, that's just stupid. Or that there's anywhere close to a Jordan-Pippen sized gap between the two of them.

Have fun watching the Heat win like 3+ titles in the future once Kobe's knees give out.

[jrong]

Im no Lebron homer sorry, stats doesnt mean a thing when you know what the player is capable of and when you know the player doesnt need to be a one man army for his team to win.

A superstar before him who made the same sacrifice to win is Kobe Bryant. Why do you think Kobe is still regarded as one of the best players and some say even the best despite many having better stats than him, despite even Gasol having better stats than him right now? Is Kobe a sidekick for that? No.

Last but not least even if you care about the stats so much, Lebron is by facts much more productive than Wade, at this moment into the season its way to ridicilously early to make any kindof such speculation, in only 1 game you can right now go from 30 ppg to 10 ppg.

Trolling is not healthy mr Gametime.

Let's not exaggerate. Wade played the same role on the Heat that LeBron did on the Cavs. As a matter of fact, he did it with worse teammates (not one other Heat starter the last two years would have started for the Cavs). And his stats and efficiency have been within range of LeBron his entire career too.

The point is not that LeBron has been overrated. He's every bit as good as billed. The point is that Wade has been underrated. He's every bit that good too and always has been.

[sh0wtime]

Man you trolls have alot to learn, you dont even know how to check the stats correctly.

24.1 ppg + 3.7 apg for Wade

20.7 ppg + 7.9 apg for Lebron

This means:

Wade is accountable for between 31.2 ppg - 35.2 ppg of his teams points.

Lebron is accountable for between 36.7 ppg - 44.7 ppg of his teams points.

Who was the "top dog" again?

[sh0wtime]

Let's not exaggerate. Wade played the same role on the Heat that LeBron did on the Cavs. As a matter of fact, he did it with worse teammates (not one other Heat starter the last two years would have started for the Cavs). And his stats and efficiency have been within range of LeBron his entire career too.

The point is not that LeBron has been overrated. He's every bit as good as billed. The point is that Wade has been underrated. He's every bit that good too and always has been.

We agree to massively disagree, Lebron has been more productive in any single way statistically, dont make me bring out all the facts. Im no Lebron homer, but facts are facts and i like to stick to them rather than to opinions.

[Willkill24]

We agree to massively disagree, Lebron has been more productive in any single way statistically, dont make me bring out all the facts. Im no Lebron homer, but facts are facts and i like to stick to them rather than to opinions.

http://i750.photobucket.com/albums/xx150/cousin_e/OHDAMNLOL.gif

[jrong]

Man you trolls have alot to learn, you dont even know how to check the stats correctly.

24.1 ppg + 3.7 apg for Wade

20.7 ppg + 7.9 apg for Lebron

This means:

Wade is accountable for between 31.2 ppg - 35.2 ppg of his teams points.

Lebron is accountable for between 36.7 ppg - 44.7 ppg of his teams points.

Who was the "top dog" again?

Ok, there is no sidekick on this team, but if you're gonna go here, I'm gonna point out that in at least three of the wins, James has scored the majority of his points at stages in the third quarter when the game was effectively over. Wade usually scores in the first half when the Heat are building their lead.

[Indian guy]

I'm gonna point out that in at least three of the wins, James has scored the majority of his points at stages in the third quarter when the game was effectively over.

Now that's not really true. The only game I can think of where this happened was the game against Minnesota. LeBron's 3rd qtr outbursts otherwise have turned competitive games into blowouts. The game against Orlando and tonight against NJ would be good examples of these.

[Soundwave]

Ok, there is no sidekick on this team, but if you're gonna go here, I'm gonna point out that in at least three of the wins, James has scored the majority of his points at stages in the third quarter when the game was effectively over. Wade usually scores in the first half when the Heat are building their lead.

It would probably be pretty idiotic for LeBron to just show up on a new team that already has an established scorer and gun for 30+ right away every night.

Not even circa '91 Jordan would do that if he went to the Blazers and got paired with Drexler.

He's obviously feeling his way onto the roster right now and picking his spots as to where he chooses to go into "scoring mode".

Tonight for example Wade and LeBron both shot over 55% from the field, which is probably a sign they're both starting to get into sync with each other.

Previous to tonight both were shooting about 45% ... I'd expect their FG% to rise.

[KoRn]

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[SavageMode]

Man you trolls have alot to learn, you dont even know how to check the stats correctly.

24.1 ppg + 3.7 apg for Wade

20.7 ppg + 7.9 apg for Lebron

This means:

Wade is accountable for between 31.2 ppg - 35.2 ppg of his teams points.

Lebron is accountable for between 36.7 ppg - 44.7 ppg of his teams points.

Who was the "top dog" again?
This. /thread

you guys find every reason to hate lebron. face it these stats > u. Sit.