Combat Sports Draft

[Dasher]

The rules are simple. You are a fight promoter who has a stable of 8 professional fighters that spans multiple disciplines. Your stable must include boxers from at least 3 weight classes, and a minimum of 2 Martial Artists. One of your 8 picks must be from before 1960. That pick can be a combined with one of your required picks to kill 2 birds with one stone. Kickboxers, bareknuckle brawlers, and other prize fighters with verifiable win-loss records are eligible. Professional wrestlers of the WWE/WCW variety are barred.

For the 1st Round their is a 12 hour time limit.

For Rounds 2-6 that limit shrinks to 8.

Rounds 7-8 will use a pod system.

Highlight reels, biographical blurbs, complete fights are required for every pick. Failure to provide said info could lead to expulsion from the draft.

http://sharkspage.com/galleries/2007_riotboxing/images/riotboxing18.jpg

1.Dasher
2.bdreason
3.JackAss
4.Hateraid
5.DonaldTrump
6.BRabbit
7.HeyHey
8.Spree?

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Combat Sports Draft

Round One
1.JackAss-Sugar Ray Robinson Boxer(Middle/Welter Weight) Pre-1960
2.HeyHey-Muhammed Ali Boxer(Heavy Weight)
3.bdreason-Anderson Silva Mixed Martial Artist (Middleweight)
4.Dasher-Fedor Emelianenko Heavyweight Mixed Martial Artist
5.Hateraid-Benny "The Jet" Urquidez Kickboxer
6.BRabbit-Joe Louis Boxer(Heavyweight) Pre-1960
RedAndBlackAttack-Roberto Duran

Round 2
RedAndBlackAttack-Henry Armstrong-Boxer(Heavyweight)
7.BRabbit-Georges St.Pierre Mixed Martial Artist
8.Hateraid-Willie Pep-Boxer(Featherweight)
9.Dasher-Iron Mike Tyson-Boxer(Heavyweight)
10.bdreason-B.J Penn Mixed Martial Artist(Welterweight/Lightweight)
11.HeyHey-Mauricio "Shogun" Rua Mixed Martial Artist(Light-Heavyweight)
12.JackAss-Wanderlei "The Axe Murderer" Silva Mixed Martial Artist

Round 3

13.JackAss-Chuck Liddell Mixed Martial Artist
14.HeyHey-Kazushi "The Gracie Hunter" Sakuraba Mixed Martial Artist(Catch Wrestler)
15.bdreason-George Foreman Grill Master, Boxer(Heavyweight)
16.Dasher-Chuck Norris Martial Artist(Karate, Tae Kwon Do, Chuck Kuk Do)
17..Hateraid-Takanori "The Fireball Kid" Gomi
18.BRabbit-Sugar Ray Leonard
RedAndBlackAttack-Royce Gracie

Round 4
RedAndBlackAttack-Mirko Filipović "CroCop"
19.BRabbit-Jack Johnson Boxer Cruiserweight Pre-1960
20.Hateraid-Manny Pacquiao
21.Dasher-Roy Jones Jr.
22.bdreason-Jack Dempsey Boxer Heavyweight Pre-1960
23.HeyHey-Bernard Hopkins
24.JackAss-Archie Moore

Round 5

25.JackAss-Marvelous Marvin Hagler
26.HeyHey-Rocky Marciano
27.bdreason-The Golden Boy Oscar De la Hoya
28.Dasher-The Raging Bull Jake LaMotta-Pre 1960
29.Hateraid
30.BRabbit
RedAndBlackAttack
Round 6
RedAndBlackAttack
31.BRabbit
32.Hateraid
33.Dasher
34.bdreason
35.HeyHey
36.JackAss

Round 7

37.JackAss
38.HeyHey
39.bdreason
40.Dasher
41.Hateraid
42.BRabbit
RedAndBlackAttack
Round 8
RedAndBlackAttack
43.BRabbit
44.Hateraid
45.Dasher
46.bdreason
47.HeyHey
48.JackAss

[bdreason]

Team lineups in order drafted.


JackAss:
Sugar Ray Robinson
Wanderlei Silva
Chuck Liddell
Archie Moore
Marvin Haglar
Semi Schlit
Roger Gracie


HeyHey:
Muhammad Ali
Shogun Rua
Sakuraba
Bernard Hopkins
Rocky Marciano
Masahika Kamura
Pernell Whitaker


bdreason:
Anderson Silva
BJ Penn
George Foreman
Jack Dempsey
Oscar De La Hoya
Andy Hug
Lennox Lewis


Dasher:
Fedor Emelianenko (stolen from me)
Iron Mike Tyson
Chuck Norris
Roy Jones Jr.
Jake LaMotta
Brock Lesnar
Frank Shamrock


Hateraid:
Benny The Jet
Willie Pep
The Fireball Kid (Gomi)
Manny Paq
Julio Cesar Chavez
Matt Hughes
Don "The Dragon" Wilson


BRabbit:
Joe Louis
GSP
Sugar Ray Leonard
Jack Johnson
James "Gene" Tunney
Cain Valasquez
Sam Langford
Big Nog


RBA:
Roberto Duran
Henry Armstrong
Royce Gracie
Mirko Crocop
Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Tommy Hearns
Mark Coleman
Mark Kerr

[Dasher]

I'm in. Y'all in trouble.
Good to have you on board. You were one of the posters, I had in mind when I made the thread.

[Jackass18]

You know I'll join.

[Dasher]

Tis nice to have you on board Jackass.

[hateraid]

I reserve the right to pick myself as the number 1 pick

Stats:

Kenpo Karate/Arnis/Kali
7 tournaments

5 First place finishes, 2 second place

26-2

1997 Light Contact Lightweight Champion

[donald_trump]

id like to join if you dont mind.

im just unsure of your time limit system. can you explain further?

[Dasher]

id like to join if you dont mind.

im just unsure of your time limit system. can you explain further?
When it is your turn to pick there is a time limit. If your time limit expires, you are skipped. Because of that, it is important to PM a pick or two to another poster if you may not be able to make your pick when the time comes.

[Jackass18]

Are BJJ practitioners and Judokans allowed?

[Dasher]

Are BJJ practitioners and Judokans allowed?
Yes

[spree43]

I'm interested in joining

[hayden695]

I think Dash meant to say "For the first round there is a twelve hour time limit"

Good idea Dash, I would join but I would get destroyed, and I always hold up drafts. Though I will follow along.

[heyhey]

i'm in this. Non-UFC MMA needs representation.

[spree43]

I think Dash meant to say "For the first round there is a twelve hour time limit"

Good idea Dash, I would join but I would get destroyed, and I always hold up drafts. Though I will follow along.
Actually, with that considered, I might have to pull out. With time zones and stuff I might struggle to make a 12 hour limit, let alone 8 and I wouldn't want to be holding people up.

[BRabbiT]

i'm in:D

[Jackass18]

Actually, with that considered, I might have to pull out. With time zones and stuff I might struggle to make a 12 hour limit, let alone 8 and I wouldn't want to be holding people up.

You could always PM your picks to someone so time wouldn't be a problem.

[Dasher]

If someone wants to claim Spree's provisional spot, we can get this party started tonight.

[Jackass18]

Bump, let's get this party started

[Dasher]

One spot left. If it is not filled, the draft is going to start at Noon Central Time Today.

[donald_trump]

just for the sake of even numbers and due to being currently busy with my schedule outside of this forum i think i'll drop out to. sorry about that.

[Dasher]

The party starts in 25 minutes with JackAss on the clock.

[hateraid]

The party starts in 25 minutes with JackAss on the clock.
What's the time limit and draft order?

[hateraid]

Sorry, just the draft order?

[Dasher]

Sorry, just the draft order?
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Combat Sports Draft

Round One
1.JackAss
2.HeyHey
3.bdreason
4.Dasher
5.Hateraid
6.BRabbit

Round 2

7.BRabbit
8.Hateraid
9.Dasher
10.bdreason
11.HeyHey
12.JackAss

Round 3

13.JackAss
14.HeyHey
15.bdreason
16.Dasher
17..Hateraid
18.BRabbit

Round 4

19.BRabbit
20.Hateraid
21.Dasher
22.bdreason
23.HeyHey
24.JackAss

Round 5

25.JackAss
26.HeyHey
27.bdreason
28.Dasher
29.Hateraid
30.BRabbit

Round 6

31.BRabbit
32.Hateraid
33.Dasher
34.bdreason
35.HeyHey
36.JackAss

Round 7

37.JackAss
38.HeyHey
39.bdreason
40.Dasher
41.Hateraid
42.BRabbit

Round 8

43.BRabbit
44.Hateraid
45.Dasher
46.bdreason
47.HeyHey
48.JackAss

[RedBlackAttack]

Sorry, guys... Haven't been on all that much lately. I'll play if you have room for me. Let me know. I would also recommend recruiting players from the two boxing threads that have jumped up to the top of the forum (Martinez-PWill, Pac-Margs).... That is, if you need more players.

How about DonDadda? KentATM? Iamgine? Jailblazers? Undisputed?

All of those guys know what they are talking about.

[Dasher]

Sorry, guys... Haven't been on all that much lately. I'll play if you have room for me. Let me know.
I slide you in at the seventh pick.

[RedBlackAttack]

I slide you in at the seventh pick.
:cheers:

Would you want me to recruit some of those others or are you happy to stand pat with what we have?

[Dasher]

:cheers:

Would you want me to recruit some of those others or are you happy to stand pat with what we have?
A couple of extra would be more than welcome.

[Jackass18]

Alright, since I'm much less familiar with boxing I'll start there. I have to take the GOAT of boxing:

Sugar Ray Robinson

http://coxscorner.tripod.com/Images/robinson1.jpg
Record: 173-19-6


Sugar Ray Robinson is considered by many boxing historians and enthusiasts to be the greatest boxer ever, pound-for-pound. He is frequently, if not always, ranked among the top three boxers ever in both the welterweight and middleweight classes.

[quote]Sugar Ray Robinson (born Walker Smith Jr., May 3, 1921

[Dasher]

Mr. Ass, do you want Sugar Ray listed as a Middleweight or Welterweight?

[Jailblazers7]

I'm only a casual boxing/mma fan so I wouldn't be able to get passed round 2 or 3 without being out of my league. I look forward to being educated by reading the thread tho.

[RedBlackAttack]

SRR was the obvious pick. He may be the most clear GOAT of ANY sport.

[Jackass18]

Mr. Ass, do you want Sugar Ray listed as a Middleweight or Welterweight?

Do I have to specify now or can I wait until later? If now, then Middleweight.

[Dasher]

Do I have to specify now or can I wait until later?You can wait.

[RedBlackAttack]

HeyHey is up.

[heyhey]

Muhammad Ali

I debated taking Fedor but I think Ali's influence and effect on American sporting and popular culture propels him above other fighters whose fame are often times more fleeting and ephemeral.

Ali was not just a great boxer but one of hte most dynamic, incendiary, charsimatic individual who challenged the complacency of American perception.


First to win heavyweight championship of the world three times. … Was banned from the ring for three years for refusing induction into the armed forces during the Vietnam War. … After ban was lifted, lost to Joe Frazier in "Fight of the Century" in 1971, but stunned George Foreman to regain belt in 1974. … Lost title to, and regained it from, Leon Spinks in 1978. … Three of defeats came in last four bouts, including two in an ill-advised emergence from retirement, against Larry Holmes and Trevor Berbick, at 38. … Transcended the sport unlike any other boxer. … Reinvented the way heavyweights were supposed to fight, deploying a speed and athleticism that was previously unheard of; also alternately bedazzled and appalled America and the world with charisma, showmanship and braggadocio. … Viewed progressively over the years as loudmouth, villain, hero and finally a figure of pathos. … Remains for many the definition of a champion.
ESPN source

Ali career summary and highlights (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_jTx-RQUjc&feature=related)

tribute (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mh7JU5orzXA)

ali vs. foreman (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIxIPz4MIAE)

ali vs liston/foreman (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qoZyBs7pvU)

thrilla in manila (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdKlL01b9V4&feature=fvw)

[Dasher]

BDreason will be skipped at 11:18 AM Central Time.

[Dasher]

Dash F. Ruiz Promotions sign Fedor Emelianenko Heavyweight Mixed Martial Artist. Fedor is a bankable star who is popular amongst both casual and hardcore combat sports fans.

http://mmafix.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/fedor-choi.jpg


Emelianenko had been widely considered the best heavyweight fighter in the world for the last seven years by major publications, including ESPN.com, Sherdog, Full Contact Fighter, MMA Weekly, and Nokaut.

In addition to holding Mixed Martial Arts championships, Fedor has also captured Judo and Sambo Titles. I present to you The (WAMMA) Heavyweight Champion and the last holder of the Pride Heavyweight Championship, and the cornerstone of The Mixed Martial Arts portion of my stable, Fedor "The Last Emperor" Emelianeko!

http://www.kickboxing.com/Articles/Images/Emelianenko_Fedor.jpg

Highlights (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDw3tUuoLpM)


Vs. Hong Man Choi (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=video&cd=2&ved=0CDUQtwIwAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D2i0 iZcLIrTQ&ei=HC7cTM7VMoS0lQeO-f3ICQ&usg=AFQjCNGZrz_lyusGazmCWBu31mcvw-aH1w&sig2=-t80CFT4R3KgG9I8pYiPNw)

Playlist (http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=89D7325B41BAD0B7&playnext=1&v=2i0iZcLIrTQ)

Vs. Sylvia (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAdgAXXLIn8&playnext=1&list=PL89D7325B41BAD0B7&index=2)

[hateraid]

I was going to take myself, but I'd be a steal in the later rounds

Since we have a short list of drafters I'm not going to pick a boxer or an MMA guy on my first pick since it's subjective after Fedor and SRR. I'm going to take arguably the greatest fighter in any genre

Benny "The Jet" Urquidez

Undefeated American kickboxer with a record of 63-0, 57 KO with titles in WKA and Karate, and said to have been undefeated in competitions overseas which were unrecorded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7beh4v5c5c

[Dasher]

BRabbit is on the clock.

BDreason can make his skipped pick anytime.

[bdreason]

Sorry I missed it. Making my 1st pick soon.

[bdreason]

Anderson Silva - UFC MW Champion.





Anderson Silva is, without a doubt, the best Middleweight MMA fighter of all-time. Since entering the UFC, The Spider is UNDEFEATED, reeling off 13 consecutive wins, many of them in spectacular fashion. That 13 fight win streak is not only the longest current win streak in the UFC, it is also the All-time record. Besides currently being ranked the #1 MW MMA fighter in the World, Silva is also considered by many to be the greatest Pound for Pound fighter in the World... and with recent losses by top fighters like Fedor Emeliananko and BJ Penn, it's difficult to disagree.

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh236/bdreason/anderson-silva.jpg

[BRabbiT]

#6





http://i.cdn.turner.com/sivault/multimedia/photo_gallery/0911/boxing.top.ten.greatest.heavyweights.alltime/images/joe-louis.jpg




Height 6 ft 2 in (1.88 m)
Reach 76 in (190 cm)


65-3 (51 KOs)



Joe Louis vs. Max Baer
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPIoyH6c8PI&feature=related)

Joe Louis vs. Max Schmeling I (6/19/1936)
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lihT_ewxVko&feature=related)

KO sampling (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sv1ph-Ecf0)







Championship reign lasted 140 consecutive months.

In all, Louis made 25 defenses of his heavyweight title from 1937 to 1948, and was a world champion for 11 years and 10 months, a record for the heavyweight division. Both are still records in the heavyweight division, the former in any division.

His most remarkable record is that he knocked out 23 opponents in 27 title fights, including 5 world champions.

Louis was named the greatest heavyweight of all time by the IBRO, and was ranked #1 on The Ring's list of 100 Greatest Punchers of All Time.

[BRabbiT]

,,,

[Dasher]

You are not on the clock BRabbit, late addition RedAndBlackAttack is. Copy and paste this post and PM it to me. If RBA does not choose this fighter, I will make the pick for you.

[RedBlackAttack]

I will do an in-depth write-up later, but I'm going with Roberto Duran and Henry Armstrong with my back-to-back picks. Undeniably two of the Top 5 pound-for-pound fighters in boxing history.

Sorry, I'm on my mobile. Presentations to come.

[Brujesino]

I'm only a casual boxing/mma fan so I wouldn't be able to get passed round 2 or 3 without being out of my league. I look forward to being educated by reading the thread tho.
Thats what i was thinking i know some boxers and kickboxers but in the deep rounds i would be in big trouble.

[BRabbiT]

You are not on the clock BRabbit, late addition RedAndBlackAttack is. Copy and paste this post and PM it to me. If RBA does not choose this fighter, I will make the pick for you.




damn, i was wondering about that:facepalm

the list does say #6 & #7.

i should've just asked, though. sorry.

[Dasher]

Georges St-Pierre







http://www.ufcresultslive.com/uploads/UFCGeneral/georges_st_pierre.jpg


Height 5 ft 10 in
Weight 170 lb
Reach 76.0 in


20 - 2
8 KOs, 5 by submission, 7 by decision


3rd degree black belt in Kyokushin
Black belt in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu
Black belt in Gaidojutsu



BRabbiT



Currently ranked by multiple MMA publications as the #1 welterweight in the world.

Named Fighter of the Year by the World MMA Awards & ('09) & Sports Illustrated ('09)






Highlights (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0NPr5uTUno&feature=fvsr)

[hateraid]

I'll take the Boxer with the most insane record ever

Willie Pep

[QUOTE]Guglielmo Papaleo (September 19, 1922

[Dasher]

http://www.derok.net/derek3/images/grill/mike%20tyson%20pigeon.jpg

Mike tells you why I picked him in his own words:


"I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there's ever been. There's no one can stop me. Lennox is a conquerer? No, I'm Alexander, he's no Alexander. I'm the best ever! There is no one who can match me. My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious. I want his heart! I want to eat his children! Praise be to Allah!

Also:

Michael Gerard "Mike" Tyson (born June 30, 1966) is an American boxer. Tyson was the undisputed heavyweight champion and holds the record as the youngest boxer to win the WBC, WBA and IBF world heavyweight titles.

He was the first heavyweight boxer to hold the WBA, WBC and IBF titles simultaneously. Tyson is considered to have been one of the greatest heavyweight boxers of all time

http://www.pwned.com/gamecovers/nintendo/0171bb1c84b0992261c901bada15c6e5-Mike_Tyson_s_Punch_Out__.jpg

Mike was/is a pop-culture phenomenon, box office/pay-per-view Juggernaut, and all-around cash cow. He will keep Dasher F. Ruiz Promotions in the black.
G.O.A.T Post Fight Interview (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4l0ZyKmeNE)

Mike Tyson Knockout Collection (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5v0vl6iTlC4)

[Brujesino]

Loving dashers team:applause:

[RedBlackAttack]

Don't get me started on Tyson, Mane. I hope that was a pick based on his ability to promote a fight and not a reflection of his actual accomplishments/skill inside the ring.

[bdreason]

With my 2nd pick I'm going with another MMA fighter:

BJ Penn



BJ "The Protege" Penn was exactly that, a protege. Penn was the first non-Brazilian to win the World Jiu-Jitsu Championships Black Belt division in 2000. He did so after only training in BJJ for 4 years... something still completely unheard of until this day. Penn is the former UFC LW Champion, the former UFC WW Champion, and arguably the most effective submission fighter in MMA today (Aoki, Fedor, Jacare). Despite a career of ups and downs, BJ Penn's undeniable natural talents and abilities lead most to consider him one of the top P4P fighters in the World today, and of all-time.

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh236/bdreason/bj-penn.jpg

[bdreason]

oh sorry didn't see we were supposed to provide some substance for our picks... I'll update them in the morning... too tired right now.

[Brujesino]

Don't get me started on Tyson, Mane. I hope that was a pick based on his ability to promote a fight and not a reflection of his actual accomplishments/skill inside the ring.
Well isnt the whole point of the draft is you promoting fights people want to see?If so Dasher just took control of this.If not well hes a the top with fedor and tyson.

Tyson vs Fedor would sell millions but only because of Tyson.Like he described tyson is a cash cow.

Dasher F Ruiz promotions
http://www.index.hr/images2/FedorTyson1v.jpg

[Jackass18]

Fedor and Tyson is an interesting contrast. Those 2 could also be a nightmare for a promoter. You could have Fedor trying to negotiate a new deal after every fight and Tyson doing crazy shit in and out of the ring.

[Zombles]

I was going to take myself, but I'd be a steal in the later rounds

Since we have a short list of drafters I'm not going to pick a boxer or an MMA guy on my first pick since it's subjective after Fedor and SRR. I'm going to take arguably the greatest fighter in any genre

Benny "The Jet" Urquidez

Undefeated American kickboxer with a record of 63-0, 57 KO with titles in WKA and Karate, and said to have been undefeated in competitions overseas which were unrecorded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7beh4v5c5c

I don't get if this draft is to amass the best fighters or the most marketable but Benny's perfect record is a lie, he has more than one loss on his record but every one of his losses was ruled a no-contest after the fact to make him more marketable.

Here's some footage of him running into a ranked Muay Thai fighter, who was very good but never a champion, 2nd tier among the Thais essentially.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_TGpwCLqvc&feature=related

A clear loss to all who saw the fight and the judges ruled it a loss and Benny never fought another Thai boxer after that and even refused a rematch with Prayood.

Kickboxing doesn't have the linearity of boxing and rules vary dramatically from governing body to governing body but Muay Thai is the least restrictive form of the art and it produced most of kickboxing's dominant fighters until the Europeans and Japanese started to excel in K-1.

Benny was a skilled fighter, but he was the biggest fish in a small pond. America was and remains a 3rd rate kickboxing country (boxing and wrestling were the only combat sports we cared about until MMA) and Benny got smashed the one time he fought world-class competition.

[raiderfan19]

Damn i wish i hadnt missed this. If anyone drops out id like to be on the waiting list. If not, ill judge maybe?

[Jackass18]

I'm going more towards the best fighters angle, though I may take some that aren't necessarily up there all-time but who I really like.

[heyhey]

With my 2nd pick I'm going with another MMA fighter:



BJ Penn


hey Dasher I think you messed up on the front page. Bdreason took Penn not Hughes. With my second pick. I draft someone who will likely be consensus GOAT LHW in the future. Mauricio "Shogun" Rua.

http://squabbles.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/shogun_rua_pride1.jpg
http://cdn.msg.com/polopoly_fs/1.28670.1270978095!/image/3735249114.jpg
I'm not sure who was watching MMA in 2005 before TUF, but for those of us that were, Rua's run through the 2005 Pride MW Tourney was a thing of legend. Coming in as a relative unknown, Rua had the toughest road through the entire tournament. He beat in succession, Quinton Jackson, Lil nog, Overeem and Arona, to both avenge Chute Box and rise to pominence among mma fans. You could feel the anticipation building around the kid with each event.

At a young age of 29, Shogun has amassed a record over guys like Liddell, Jackson, lil nog, arona, lyoto, overeem, rampage, coleman, randleman nakamura. His incredible combination of aggressive striking and great transitional grappling make him great in both ring and octagon.

AWESOME highlight Grand theft title by genghis con (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x28q3a_grand-theft-title-saitama-city_sport)

another highlight (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FX8deealksY)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0D3D6pC24BQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXebbLSsdC8&feature=related

Oh yea, Shogun vs. Lil nog is arguably the best MMA fight of all time.

[Jackass18]

Wanderlei "The Axe Murderer" Silva
http://www.cagedinsider.com/wp-content/images/mma/2010/02/wanderlei_silva.jpg
Record: 33-10-1

[quote]Wanderlei C

[heyhey]

do my write up later. My next pick SAKURABA. Greatest warrior in MMA history
Gracie Hunter

http://www.cagedinsider.com/wp-content/images/mma/2009/12/sakurabas_face_ricardo_arona.jpg

http://www.mma-manifesto.com/images/stories/sakuraba-royce.jpg


It's a shame they never fought each in while in their primes, but they did have a really good fight when they were both on the downside of their careers.

It's a shame that Liddell built his legacy by KO'ing grapplers lolz. On the real I think Wanderlei could have done a lot better in his prime against Liddell, but chuck is a terrible matchup for the axe murderer so I'm not sure it would mattered.

[Zombles]

no love for grapplers

[Brujesino]

Fedor and Tyson is an interesting contrast. Those 2 could also be a nightmare for a promoter. You could have Fedor trying to negotiate a new deal after every fight and Tyson doing crazy shit in and out of the ring.
so true:oldlol:

[bdreason]

For my 3rd pick I'm going to take probably my favorite HW Boxer growing up...


George Foreman



George Foreman has held 4 Heavyweight titles, including the WBA, WBO, IBF, and WBU. His most notable fights include his KO of Joe Frazier in 1973, and his loss to Muhammad Ali in 1974 (his first loss ever, 40-1). Ring Magazine has named George Foreman one of the 25 greatest fighters of all-time, and with an all-time record of 76-5, the honor is well deserved. They also ranked George #9 on a list of all-time greatest punchers. It's been argued that Foreman had the hardest punch in the history of Boxing... and having watched him KO many fighters, it's an argument well supported. George returned to Boxing at the age of 45 to regain the HW Boxing Championship (WBA, IBF)by KOing Michael Moorer, and in doing so, became the oldest HW Champ of all-time.


http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh236/bdreason/1215_large.jpg

[Dasher]

Dasher F. Ruiz Promotions is ecstatic to announce to the world that we have inked:


Chuck Norris

http://www.uskarateschools.com/images/blackandblue/misc/chucknorris_cu.jpg

http://www.latenightwithjimmyfallon.com/chuck-totalgym.jpg

http://thumpandwhip.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/chuck-again.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e1/Chuck_Norris_%281976%29.jpg


1969, he won Karate's triple crown for the most tournament wins of the year, and the Fighter of the Year award by Black Belt Magazine.

On July 1, 2000, Norris was presented the Golden Lifetime Achievement Award by the World Karate Union Hall of Fame.

Norris created the martial art Chun Kuk Do, which is based primarily on Tang Soo Do and includes elements from every combat style he knows.

His record, based on tournament matches, is estimated to be 183-12-2, though some sources list it as 65-5. Norris won an estimated 30 or more tournaments, beating an average of five opponents per tournament. At the New York tournaments, he defeated 12-13 opponents per tournament.

Chuck is a martial arts legend, brilliant pitchman, action star, and the basis of perhaps the greatest internet meme of all-time. We here at Dasher F. Ruiz promotions look forward to having a fighter, and person the caliber of Chuck Norris in our stable.

Chuck Norris vs Joe Lewis Karate fight (International 1967) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oj_e-QmZ7Jc)

Chuck Norris Facts (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZz2yCe3pIg)

[raiderfan19]

do my write up later. My next pick SAKURABA. Greatest warrior in MMA history
Gracie Hunter

http://www.cagedinsider.com/wp-content/images/mma/2009/12/sakurabas_face_ricardo_arona.jpg

http://www.mma-manifesto.com/images/stories/sakuraba-royce.jpg



It's a shame that Liddell built his legacy by KO'ing grapplers lolz. On the real I think Wanderlei could have done a lot better in his prime against Liddell, but chuck is a terrible matchup for the axe murderer so I'm not sure it would mattered.
To be fair to Liddell, you have to give him credit for his ability to avoid being taken down and/or get back to his feet against elite wrestlers if you are going to ding him for beating grapplers. Many a striker has gotten beaten by getting taken down and laid on. I think its a little early for wanderlei and sakuraba for that matter but both are very very solid.

[hateraid]

I'm getting confused with the criteria. Is marketability part of it?

Anyways, next pick is Takanori "The Fireball Kid" Gomi (32-6)

http://www.examiner.com/images/blog/EXID37911/images/Takanori-Gomi.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJzKhhT8ww0



Takanori Gomi, is a Japanese mixed martial artist currently fighting in the Ultimate Fighting Championship. Gomi is a former Shooto Welterweight Champion and was the last and only Pride Lightweight Champion. He is also a four-time All Japan Combat Wrestling champion. During his time in Pride he was arguably considered to be the top Lightweight fighter in the world and according to FightMatrix.com the greatest Lightweight fighter of all time

[Dasher]

How you build your stable is up to you. I have incorporated marketability into my personal criteria because we at Dasher F. Ruiz Promotions loves the e-guap.

[heyhey]

I think its a little early for wanderlei and sakuraba for that matter but both are very very solid.

if you mean there are boxers who should be taken before sakuraba you could be very well right. But in MMA, sakuraba is one of the most seminal figure in the sports history, not sure who deserves to be taken in front of him. Sakuraba should be taken in front of a guy like GSP imo.

and hateraid use this for Gomi too. Another awesome genghis con production

Gomi vs. Chuteboxe beef (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIesLjo_g-g)

[Jackass18]

It's a shame that Liddell built his legacy by KO'ing grapplers lolz.

He's KO'd/decisioned strikers, too.

[dkmwise]

It's a shame that Liddell built his legacy by KO'ing grapplers lolz.

Strikers like Vitor Belfort and Alistair Overeem?

Not to mention in a lot a ways it is harder to KO a wrestler than a stand up fighter because you have to have the skills to keep the wrestler from taking you down

[dkmwise]

if you mean there are boxers who should be taken before sakuraba you could be very well right. But in MMA, sakuraba is one of the most seminal figure in the sports history, not sure who deserves to be taken in front of him. Sakuraba should be taken in front of a guy like GSP imo.
and hateraid use this for Gomi too. Another awesome genghis con production

Gomi vs. Chuteboxe beef (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIesLjo_g-g)

Hey man, i'm not trying to diss that opinion but I am curius why you say that? Do you think Sakuraba is a better P4P fighter than GSP, or just has a greater legacy and was a pioneer of the sport?

[BRabbiT]

Sugar Ray Leonard



[QUOTE]
http://www.binbin.net/photos/generic/sug/sugar-ray-leonard-signed-photo.jpg

http://theboxingcorner.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/hagler-leonard.jpg



5'10 , 74 inch reach

36-3-1 (25 KOs)


1st boxer to earn more than $100 million in purses, and widely considered to be one of the best boxers of all time, winning world titles in 5 weight divisions.

An outstanding amateur, winning 145 of 150 bouts, including a 1976 Olympic championship. He turned professional in 1977 and gained the world welterweight title in 1979 by defeating Wilfred Ben

[RedBlackAttack]

Royce Gracie

http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/6168/gracieq.jpg

[QUOTE]Brainchild of Rorion Gracie and Art Davie, the Ultimate Fighting Championship (UFC) was an eight-man single-elimination tournament with very few rules that would award $50,000 to the winner. The basic premise was to find out how different styles of martial arts would fare against each other. Art Davie placed ads in martial arts magazines and sent letters to anyone in any martial arts directory he could find to recruit competitors for the event. Among the takers were kickboxer Patrick Smith, Pancrase fighter Ken Shamrock, and Savate world champion Gerard Gordeau.

While Art Davie felt that Gracie's older brother Rickson Gracie, who was stronger and more skilled than Royce, was the obvious choice as the Jiu-Jitsu representative, Rorion Gracie chose the younger Royce to represent the family style.

In his first match, Gracie defeated journeyman boxer Art Jimmerson. He tackled him to the ground using a baiana (morote-gari or double-leg) and obtained the dominant "mounted" position, also pinning Jimmerson's left arm around the boxer's own neck. Mounted and with only one free arm Jimmerson conceded defeat, mostly due to frustration rather than submission.

In the semi-finals, Gracie fought Ken Shamrock, who showed excellent grappling skills in his first-round submission win over Patrick Smith. Gracie immediately rushed Shamrock, who sprawled effectively and got on top of Gracie. Shamrock then grabbed Gracie's ankle and sat back to attempt the same finishing hold he used to finish his first match, but Gracie rolled on top of him and secured a rear choke that forced Shamrock to tap the mat in submission. Shamrock later stated that Gracie used his gi suit as a tool for ligature strangulation to perform the submission, protesting the fact that he was not allowed to wear his wrestling shoes because the event organisers had stated that it could be used as a weapon, feeling that the rules for the tournament were created to favor Gracie. Royce disputed the claim and said he had used a no-gi choke, meaning that there is no need to use his gi to apply this choke.

In the finals, Gracie defeated Savate World Champion Gerard Gordeau (who broke his hand in the first round of the tournament against Teila Tuli), taking his opponent to the ground and securing a rear choke.

Over the next year, Royce Gracie continued fighting in the UFC, obtaining submission wins over fighters such as Patrick Smith, 250 pound (113 kg) European Judo Champion Remco Pardoel, and Kimo Leopoldo. His final UFC victory was in a match that lasted for 16 minutes (there were no rounds or time limits at the time), during which he was continuously pinned underneath 260 pound (118 kg) wrestler Dan Severn. To end the match, Royce locked his legs in a triangle choke for a submission victory. The match extended beyond the pay-per-view time-slot and viewers, who missed the end of the fight, demanded their money back.

Time limits were re-introduced into the sport in 1995 and Ken Shamrock would become the first fighter to survive Royce Gracie's submission attack and earn a draw. The match lasted for 30 minutes and a 6-minute overtime. The draw sparked much debate and controversy as to who would have won the fight had judges determined the outcome, or had there been no time limits, as by the end of the fight Gracie's right eye was swollen shut. However, the swollen eye was a result of a standing punch due to a sudden change of the rules in which both of the fighters were restarted on the feet.[3] After this fight the Gracies left the UFC.

At UFC 45 in November 2003, at the ten year anniversary of the UFC, Ken Shamrock and Royce Gracie became the first inductees into the UFC Hall of Fame. UFC President Dana White said;[4]

[BRabbiT]

http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/6168/gracieq.jpg





nice pick.

[RedBlackAttack]

Mirko Filipović "CroCop"

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/7517/mirkocrocopfilipovic3.jpg

http://img574.imageshack.us/img574/4630/427thumbzoom.jpg

[QUOTE] Pride FC

In 2001, Filipović began his switch to fighting in Pride, citing personal challenge as well as dissatisfaction with K-1 salaries. A year later, he also left his job at the anti-terrorist unit in order to focus fully on his martial arts career.[citation needed] Since then, Filipović maintained a comparably low kickboxing profile, but nevertheless scored some impressive K-1 victories, most notably against Mark Hunt in March 2002 (unanimous decision), Remy Bonjasky in July 2002 (second round TKO) and Bob Sapp in April 2003 (first round KO).

Following a TKO win over Kazuyuki Fujita in his MMA debut, Filipović made his Pride debut at Pride 17 against Nobuhiko Takada. The bout featured a special rule stating if it went to a decision it would be ruled a draw. Neither fighter was able to stop the other.

Filipović's next Pride fight was against then-middleweight (205 lb) champion Wanderlei Silva. This bout featured the same rules as the Takada fight and also ended in a draw. On August 28, 2002 Filipović faced Japanese superstar Kazushi Sakuraba at Pride Shockwave 2002. Filipović won after fracturing Sakuraba's orbital bone.

His next fight was a rematch with Fujita at the Inoki Bom-Ba-Ye 2002 event where he picked up his fourth victory, this time by decision.

Filipović returned to Pride to face heavyweight contender Heath Herring at Pride 26 (June 8, 2003). Filipović defeated Herring decisively, scoring a TKO victory with a left roundhouse body kick to Herring's liver at 3:17 into the fight. His next fight was against Ukrainian striker Igor Vovchanchyn at Pride Total Elimination 2003. Following the powerful kicks of the Herring fight, this fight continued to showcase Filipović's kicking power as he knocked out Vovchanchyn with a head kick 1:29 into the fight. Filipović then defeated Mexican professional wrestler Dos Caras Jr. at Pride Bushido 1, also with a head kick knockout, in 46 seconds.

Filipović's string of Pride wins secured him a chance to fight for the interim heavyweight championship against Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira on November 9, 2003. Filipović's stand-up fighting proved effective in the first round, allowing him to control the fight from his feet while defending every takedown attempt Nogueira made, and landing a head-kick at the end of the round. Nogueira, however, prevailed in the second round after finally getting a successful takedown, forcing Filipović to submit to an armbar after being mounted. Filipović admitted to Bas Rutten in a later interview that he was overconfident against Nogueira.

In 2004 Filipović put his K-1 career on hold and recruited Fabricio Werdum (a former world champion in Brazilian jiu-jitsu) as his coach, working on improving his ground fighting skills. He went on to win his next two bouts by KO and TKO at a combined time of only 3:49, against Yoshihisa Yamamoto and 280 lb. Ron Waterman.

Filipović then participated in Pride's Heavyweight Grand Prix. In a upset, Filipović was knocked out in the first round by Kevin Randleman. Filipović later submitted Randleman in a rematch at the end of 2004.

Filipović repeatedly requested Pride to let him challenge the heavyweight champion, Fedor Emelianenko. After winning seven straight matches since his loss to Randleman, including a head-kick knockout victory against Aleksander Emelianenko (the 6'4", 255 lb (116 kg) brother of the champion) and wins over Josh Barnett, Mark Coleman and Ibragim Magomedov, Filipović received a chance to fight Emelianenko for the title on August 28, 2005 at Pride Final Conflict 2005. After three rounds, Emelianenko won by unanimous decision and retained his title. Filipović later stated on Croatian national television that he came exhausted to the match, mostly because he was not used to the time difference in Japan and he had sleeping problems. He also said many times after the match that he fought too defensively and cautiously. The champion, likewise, was not in his top form. According to Emelianenko he "could not take full advantage of his right hand during the striking exchanges and had to try to close the distance", due to a previous hand injury.

On October 23, 2005, less than two months after the loss to Emelianenko, Filipović stepped back into the ring to rematch open-weight King of Pancrase Josh Barnett. After three rounds Filipović received a unanimous judges' decision victory.

On December 31, 2005, Filipović lost his match against Mark Hunt via split decision. Hunt was the more aggressive fighter, an important criterion in Pride judging. Unusually, Filipović wore shoes for this fight, something that had no precedent. This had led to speculation and statements from his camp about Filipović having sustained injuries to his feet before the fight.[citation needed] Filipović himself has never confirmed these speculations. Filipović also displayed considerable problems with his cardio during his fights with Emelianenko, Barnett and Hunt leading to the speculation that he was much too active and a resting period from the ring would work to his advantage.[citation needed]
[edit] Pride Openweight Grand Prix Champion

Filipović re-entered the Pride ring, competing in Pride's 2006 Open-Weight Grand Prix on May 5, 2006. It was during this tournament that he came up with the quote, "Right leg, hospital; left leg, cemetery". His first match at the Pride Total Elimination Absolute event was against Ikuhisa Minowa, the lighter but highly acclaimed professional wrestler and mixed martial artist. Filipović won by TKO 1:10 into the fight. On July 1, 2006 at Pride Critical Countdown Absolute, Filipović defeated 1992 Olympic judo gold medalist Hidehiko Yoshida by technical knockout (leg kicks) in the first round to move on to the semi-finals.

On September 10, 2006, Filipović won the Open-Weight Grand Prix at Pride Final Conflict Absolute. In the semi-finals, Filipović knocked out then-Pride middleweight champion Wanderlei Silva with his trademark left high kick. In the final match, Filipović won a third victory over Josh Barnett, who submitted after sustaining an eye injury. With these two victories, Filipović became the Pride Openweight Grand Prix champion, the first widely recognized championship belt he has ever won. In a post-fight interview with Frank Trigg, Filipović stated if he had not won the tournament, it would have been his last night fighting. The night was also his birthday, and Filipović dedicated winning the tournament to his deceased father.
[edit] UFC

After his victory at the Open-Weight Grand Prix, a rematch between Filipović and Fedor Emelianenko failed to materialize and on December 12, 2006 Filipović pulled out of the New Year's Eve event, citing both a foot injury and Emelianenko's commitment to meet Mark Hunt at the card in question. Through his official website, Filipović revealed "I still can't kick like I want to. It's the best that we give more time to this injury to heal. I want to be in perfect shape for my next fights."[5] Also in December 2006, rumors began to surface about Filipović entertaining offers from other mixed martial arts organizations; the Ultimate Fighting Championship was one of the promotions that Filipović confirmed came forward with an offer.[6] Rumors continued to circulate about Filipović's future with the Pride FC organization and soon media websites were reporting that Filipović had chosen the UFC for his future.[7]

UFC president Dana White and the UFC officially announced on December 30, 2006 during the post-UFC 66 press conference, at the MGM Grand Garden Arena, that Filipović had signed a two-year, six-fight deal with the Las Vegas-based mixed martial arts promoter. It was also announced that Filipović would make his UFC debut on February 3, 2007 at UFC 67 in Las Vegas against Eddie Sanchez, promoting him under the name Mirko "Cro Cop" alternatively with and without quotation marks. Filipović defeated Sanchez in the first round via TKO. Filipović entered the octagon under the Pride FC theme.

On April 21, 2007, Filipović faced Gabriel Gonzaga at UFC 70 in Manchester, England. At 4:51 of round one, Gonzaga won with a head kick knockout. Filipović has stated since that the elbows on the ground confused and damaged him enough that he was disoriented after the stand up, contributing to the subsequent knock-out. During the fall to the canvas, Filipović suffered a minor injury to his ankle and a ligament was detached in his knee.[8]

Filipović's next fight was on September 8, 2007 at UFC 75 against French kickboxer Cheick Kongo where he lost via unanimous decision. In a post-fight interview upon his return home, Filipović stated that he cracked a rib during the fight and that the three illegal knees to the groin he received also cost him some strength. Filipović trained with Remy Bonjasky and Gilbert Yvel, and 2003 Abu Dhabi Combat Club champion grappler Dean Lister for this fight. Lister joined Filipović at his home town for a month to train for this upcoming bout.[9] Filipović's coach was Vos Gym's main trainer and muay thai practitioner Ivan "Hydro" Hippolyte. According to his home page,[10] Marijan

[RedBlackAttack]

And he is not even the best of Gracie family.
It's arguable. What is inarguable is that he has the most name recognition, which is a must when promoting a fight.

[Jackass18]

Royce wasn't the best of the family. They chose him because he was the scrawniest and least athletic, so that when he won BJJ looked even better than it would have if one of the other bigger, stronger, more athletic Gracies won. But, it made him the most well known and important one for MMA.

[heyhey]

And he is not even the best of Gracie family.

gracie family is kind of overrated by peripheral fans. They certainly did not pioneer juijitsu as many would believe. BJJ is nothing more than the ground part of traditional japanese judo, kodokan, guys like Maede, Kimura were far more influential in the develoment of juijitsu than helio gracie. Helio simply learned the art in Japan took it back to brazil found a way to market it and plastered their family name all over it.

Even back in UFC 1 time, there were catch wrestlers in japan who could have defeated royce, they simply weren't invited. Instead the gracies prejudicially invited those with no clue of the ground game to further build family brand.

With that said, best Gracie currently is Roger Gracie. All time is probably Rickson, even tho you can't actually believe hte 400-0 record lol.


NIIICe pick Bbrabit. Jack Johnson the Unforgivable Blackness one of my heros. I wish he dropped to me :rockon: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[BRabbiT]

Jack Johnson - cruiserweight





6'1, 74 inch reach


73-13 (40 KOs)


Johnson's boxing style was very distinctive. He developed a more patient approach than was customary in that day: playing defensively, waiting for a mistake, and then capitalizing on it.

Johnson always began a bout cautiously, slowly building up over the rounds into a more aggressive fighter. He often fought to punish his opponents rather than knock them out, endlessly avoiding their blows and striking with swift counters.

He always gave the impression of having much more to offer and, if pushed, he could punch powerfully.

Johnson's style was very effective, but it was criticized in the press as being cowardly and devious. By contrast, World Heavyweight Champion "Gentleman" Jim Corbett had used many of the same techniques a decade earlier, and was praised by the press as "the cleverest man in boxing".

Was in many ways precursor to Muhammad Ali: dominant in the ring and deliberately provocative and antagonizing outside it, shocking and infuriating white society with his boldness and arrogance.

Was driven into exile for much of his reign, living and fighting in Europe and South America to avoid facing charges under the profoundly racist Mann Act, which prohibited the transport of white women across state lines for immoral purposes.

Johnson's skill as a fighter and the money that it brought made it impossible for him to be ignored by the establishment. In the short term, the boxing world reacted against Johnson's legacy.

But Johnson foreshadowed, in many ways, perhaps one of the most famous boxers of all time, Muhammad Ali. In fact, Ali often spoke of how he was influenced by Jack Johnson.

In his autobiography, Ali relates how he and JF agreed that Johnson and Joe Louis were the greatest boxers of all.




http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/87/Johnson_jeff.jpg
http://www.ioffer.com/img/item/135/800/109/H2dKaLXw3t7xlfU.jpg


Legacy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrfAnn77_Pc&feature=related)

vs. Frank Moran (6/27/1914)
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQtuTIJS-7o&feature=related)

[Zombles]

gracie family is kind of overrated by peripheral fans. They certainly did not pioneer juijitsu as many would believe. BJJ is nothing more than the ground part of traditional japanese judo, kodokan, guys like Maede, Kimura were far more influential in the develoment of juijitsu than helio gracie. Helio simply learned the art in Japan took it back to brazil found a way to market it and plastered their family name all over it.

Even back in UFC 1 time, there were catch wrestlers in japan who could have defeated royce, they simply weren't invited. Instead the gracies prejudicially invited those with no clue of the ground game to further build family brand.

With that said, best Gracie currently is Roger Gracie. All time is probably Rickson, even tho you can't actually believe hte 400-0 record lol.

It's true that the Gracies learned Judo from Maeda and made it their own, but they revolutionized the ground aspects of classical Judo. It may be overestimated but you can't underestimate the evolution they introduced into ground fighting.

Roger is the most skilled and most decorated Gracie of all time, H

[Maniak]

Dasher wins

[bdreason]

Nice pick on Mirko he's one of my all-time favorites. Was thinking about grabbing him next pick. :(

[RedBlackAttack]

I love the Jack Johnson pick. I really thought that he would fall to me later on. If I knew that you were taking him, I may have done it with my last pick.

He was one bad mamajamma.

[bdreason]

I love the Jack Johnson pick. I really thought that he would fall to me later on. If I knew that you were taking him, I may have done it with my last pick.

He was one bad mamajamma.


I almost took him with my Foreman pick because he satisfies the pre-60 req as well. Thought he would slip farther.

[Jackass18]

Uhh, can we cut out the name dropping? You keep saying someone I wanted to take later on...

[Dasher]

The php has been updated. I will not pick until 12 Central to give Hateraid some time. I am sure he is still celebrating Manny's victory.

[Dasher]

Dasher F. Ruiz Promotions is bitterly disappointed that we were not able to ink Sugar Ray Leonard, but we are happy to add Roy Jone's Jr. to our stable.

http://www.boxingrepublic.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Roy-Jones-Jr.jpg


Roy Jones, Jr. (born January 16, 1969, in Pensacola, Florida is an American boxer and as a professional he has captured numerous championships in the Middleweight, Super middleweight, Light heavyweight and Heavyweight divisions. He is the only boxer in history to start his career as a junior middleweight, and go on to win a heavyweight title. He is also noted for holding the WBC, WBA, IBF, IBO, NABF, WBF, and IBA light heavyweight championships (Undisputed Light Heavyweight Champion); a record seven belts at the same time. Jones was named "Fighter of the Decade" for the 1990s by the Boxing Writers Association of America.

Roy Jones Jr Highlight (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDWnMXzgeZo)

Roy Jones JR Tribute (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dt-e7_yxQpg)

Roy Jones Jr. Vs. James Toney (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkAdniPgu6o)

That Roy gone ball
Cause Roy got bread
Roy ain't got to smoke or drank he gets head
Roy keep at least six women up in the bed
Roy do it big
Cause Roy got it made
Body Head (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmDfwz0OG8E)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/63/Copped.jpg/450px-Copped.jpg

http://efitsoftware.com/uploads/posts/2010-06/1275860751_1jv2hxi.jpeg

[bdreason]

With my 4th pick I'm going to take:


Jack Dempsey


William Harrison "Jack" Dempsey ("The Manassa Mauler") (June 24, 1895 – May 31, 1983) was an American boxer who held the world heavyweight title from 1919 to 1926. Dempsey's aggressive style and exceptional punching power made him one of the most popular boxers in history. Many of his fights set financial and attendance records, including the first million dollar gate. He is listed #10 on The Ring's list of all-time heavyweights and #7 among its Top 100 Greatest Punchers. He is a member of the International Boxing Hall of Fame.

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh236/bdreason/JackDempsey-Corbis-1.jpg

[Dasher]

Dasher:
Fedor Emelianenko (stolen from me)

http://www.speechable.com/pic/s421t051.png

[BRabbiT]

With my 4th pick I'm selecting a pre-1960 Boxer:


Henry Armstrong







pretty sure he's already picked by RBA.

[bdreason]

Switched my pick. :hammerhead:

[BRabbiT]

Switched my pick. :hammerhead:




nice pick. Dempsey was a warrior.

[bdreason]

I was thinking after the draft we could use our stables to play a game. We can go down the draft order, and each person gets a "move". The moves consist of:

1. Propose a fighter trade, or accept a fighter trade.
2. Propose a fight, or accept a proposed fight.
3. Drop a fighter, and add a Free Agent.
4. Change one of your fighters ranks.


Each promoter will rank their fighters based on their overall 'strength' within the promotion. This rank will be considered by other promoters when evaluating the 3 aspects of the fight matchup.

Once a fight is set between 2 promotions, the other 6 promoters get to vote on 3 aspects of the fight:

1. Who gets the majority of the purse from the fight.
2. Which fighter was superior against their peers.
3. Which fighter was more culturally significant.

Whichever promoter wins 2/3 aspects gets +2 points. Whichever promoter loses receives -1 points.


Also, everyone can vote on who would actually win the fight. For every 3 wins, a promoter gets an additional +1 points.



I just made this up off the top of my head so if it's dumb oh well. Obviously people would miss turns here or there.

[BRabbiT]

Each promoter will rank their fighters based on their overall 'strength' within the promotion. This rank will be considered by other promoters when evaluating the 3 aspects of the fight matchup.

Once a fight is set between 2 promotions, the other 6 promoters get to vote on 3 aspects of the fight:

1. Who gets the majority of the purse from the fight.
2. Which fighter was superior against their peers.
3. Which fighter was more culturally significant.

Whichever promoter wins 2/3 aspects gets +2 points. Whichever promoter loses receives -1 points.


Also, everyone can vote on who would actually win the fight. For every 3 wins, a promoter gets an additional +1 points.





that's pretty good.

[hateraid]

The php has been updated. I will not pick until 12 Central to give Hateraid some time. I am sure he is still celebrating Manny's victory.

Man did I ever. I still comatose in my bed. On that note I'm going to take my man Manny Pacquiao.
I'm posting from my phone right now because literally I'm too hungover to walk to my office.
I'll post later on his legacies

[heyhey]

With my next pick I'll take Bernard Hopkins. will edit post later.

[Jackass18]

My 2 picks:

Archie Moore

http://portalchaves.com/archie.jpg
Record: 185-23-11

[quote]Archie Moore was light heavyweight world boxing champion (1952

[mrpuente]

what happens after the draft?

[heyhey]

I'll take Rocky Marciano. Edit my last two posts after class.

[bdreason]

With my 5th pick, I'm taking the steal of the draft:



Oscar De La Hoya


Oscar De La Hoya (born February 4, 1973 in Montebello, California) is an American boxer of Mexican descent. Nicknamed "The Golden Boy", De La Hoya won a gold medal at the Barcelona Olympic Games. De La Hoya comes from a boxing family. His grandfather Vicente, father Joel Sr., and brother Joel Jr. were all boxers. De La Hoya was The Ring's "Fighter of the Year" in 1995 and Ring Magazine's top-rated Pound for Pound fighter in the world in 1997 & 1998. De La Hoya officially announced his retirement from the sport at a press conference held in Los Angeles on April 14, 2009.

De La Hoya has defeated 17 world champions and has won 10 world titles in six different weight classes. He has also generated more money than any other boxer in the history of the sport, an estimated $696 million pay-per-view income.

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh236/bdreason/oscar-de-la-hoya-1.jpg

[Dasher]

Dasher F. Ruiz Promotions is pleased to announce the addition of "The Raging Bull" Jake Lamotta to over ever growing stable of headbussers and wig splitters. LaMotta is a renaissance man. In addition to being a great boxer, he was a great baseball owner/manager/player/general manager, actor, standup comedian, club promoter, bar owner, and chef.
http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Film/News/Pictures/1999/12/10/RagingBull.jpg

http://www.sweetfights.com/jake_lamotta_240x230_021005.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/24/Lamotta_dauth2.jpg/500px-Lamotta_dauth2.jpg


LaMotta is recognized as having one of the best chins in boxing. He rolled with punches, minimizing their force and damage when they landed, but he was also able to absorb many blows.


In the mid-1950s, LaMotta suffered from a boxing injury and took time off to recover. He was always interested in baseball and decided to form the Jake LaMotta All-Star team. They played in Sterling Oval which was located between 165th and 164th Streets between Clay and Teller Avenue in the Bronx. He also held professional fights at that field, and his brother Joey often fought there


He is a member of the International Boxing Hall of Fame and was ranked 52nd on Ring Magazine's List of the 80 Best Fighters of the Last 80 Years. The magazine also ranked him as one of the 10 greatest middleweights of all time.

Fights of Jake LaMotta Part 1/5 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIPufgr4HUw)

Fights Jake LaMotta 2/5 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2hWcGXWzzM&feature=related)

Fights of Jake LaMotta 3/5 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hxJcmrJUHk&feature=related)

Fights of Jake LaMotta 4/5 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lF7Bt4fi8g&feature=related)

Fights of Jake LaMotta 5/5 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-9tlEoMsuE&feature=related)

[RedBlackAttack]

Ok... I never gave presentations for my first two picks, so I'm going to do them now.


Roberto Duran

There has never been a more violent, hardened and flat-out mean person to ever grace the boxing ring. He didn't just beat his opponents, he tried to hurt them... To embarrass them.

He dominated the lightweight division unlike any boxer who has ever lived and, already a bit out of his prime, he made the leap up to welterweight and took on one of the greatest fighters to ever live... Ray Leonard.

Duran flustered, mocked and beat-up the original 'golden boy' of boxing.

He would eventually move all the way up, gain a middleweight belt (and nearly beat Hagler) and even contend at light heavyweight.

What a monster... He finished his career with 103 victories, a true benchmark in the modern boxing era.

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Hands Of Stone Highlight (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqSq7XbSQkA)

Duran Mauls Davey Moore (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lM9ivIVyhEE)

Duran-Leonard I Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SwxhqOpA1M)

Duran-Leonard I Part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZnsDfrnZjY&feature=related)

Duran-Leonard I Part 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZT1hknlqzIo&feature=related)

Duran-Leonard I Part 4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFt2vePFXHc&feature=related)

Duran-Leonard I Part 5 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDq2rAP9CfU&feature=related)

Duran-Leonard I Part 6 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u45xvjRSvAk&feature=related)

Duran-Leonard I Part 7 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNVCEBRv7so&feature=related)

:bowdown:

[hateraid]

Posting from BB.
I'll continue my string of little men and take Julio Cesar Chavez

[RedBlackAttack]

Henry Armstrong



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Most consider him the second greatest fighter to ever live, behind only Ray Robinson.

Back in the days when boxing only had eight weight divisions, Armstrong held titles in three of the eight (lightweight, welterweight, middleweight) all AT THE SAME TIME!

[QUOTE]A native of Columbus, Mississippi, Armstrong was born December 12, 1912[1] and moved as a youngster with his family to St. Louis, Missouri, where he developed his boxing skills. The son of a Henry Armstrong a sharecropper of African American, Irish, and Native American descent and America Jackson an Iroquois Native American.[1] Armstrong graduated from Vashon High School[1] and was later inducted into the St. Louis Walk of Fame. Armstrong's two nicknames were Hurricane Henry, and Homicide' Hank.

Armstrong started out as a professional on July 28, 1931, being knocked out by Al Sorvino in three rounds. Just like Alexis Arg

[Dasher]

BRabbit Selects:

James "Gene" Tunney - Heavyweight

86-1 (48 KOs)



Always moving and boxing behind an excellent left jab, Tunney would study his opponents from the first bell. He generally preferred to stay outside and nullify any attacks, while using quick counters to keep the opponent off balance. Although not a big puncher, Tunney could still hit with power, especially after hurting his opponents and mastering their styles.

In his fights against Jack Dempsey, today's viewer can see Tunney's style: hands held low for greater power, fast footwork that adjusts to every move his opponent makes, and quick and accurate one-two style counter-punches with the left and right.

Tunney, while not known for having one of the truly great chins in the history of boxing, did own a very solid chin. He was never knocked out, and the only time he was ever knocked down was in the second fight with Dempsey in the infamous Long Count.


RBA is up.

[BRabbiT]

James "Gene" Tunney - Heavyweight

[QUOTE]
http://www.eastsideboxing.com/fotos/tunney77.jpg


At times they fought in the driving rain but Gene Tunney was the physically superior man and he made Dempsey look foolish during most of the fight. Tunney was much quicker beating Dempsey to the punch with his crisp sharp punches. Some of Dempsey

[RedBlackAttack]

So... These guys are seemingly never going to get together inside the ring, so why not have them join my company and then I can reap all of the dough when they finally do get it on inside the ring?

I'll take Manny Pacquiao...

[QUOTE]Emmanuel Dapidran Pacquiao (Tagalog pronunciation: [pɐkˈjaʊ],[3] English: /ˈp

[RedBlackAttack]

....and Floyd Mayweather, Jr.


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Floyd Joy Mayweather, Jr. (born Floyd Sinclair on February 24, 1977), is an American professional boxer. He is a five-division world champion, where he won nine world titles in five different boxing weight classes. He is currently undefeated as a professional boxer, with 41 wins including 25 by way of knockout.

Mayweather is currently rated by The Ring as the number two pound-for-pound boxer in the world.[2] However, some other boxing websites and sports outlets including BoxRec, Fox Sports and BBC Sports rated him as the number one pound for pound boxer.[3]

Aside from Mayweather's achievements in boxing, he is also the co-founder of HBO 24/7 (TV series). HBO alongside Mayweather produced a series of countdowns previewing their big pay-per-view fights. These shows are 30 minute specials designed to get undecided and casual fans excited enough to purchase and watch the fights live.[4]

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Training of Greatness (great training camp footage in HD) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTdqV8XkYNo)

Master of Defense (Don't Sweat the Technique in HD) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kK9en6g9JTQ) - Wow

Floyd's Greatest Hits on HBO (HD) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5R5spfYklSw)

[RedBlackAttack]

So... Who wants to see a welterweight round-robin of Henry Armstrong, Roberto Duran, Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather Jr.? It will only cost you $65 for the HD broadcast.

Details to come shortly. :D

[BRabbiT]

Cain Velasquez - Heavyweight





6'1 , 244 lb , 77 inch reach

Style: Wrestling, Kickboxing, Jiu-Jitsu



As of October 27, 2010, he is ranked as the #1 heavyweight in the world by Sherdog and MMAfighting.com. Cain also has never lost a round in mixed martial arts competition. Velasquez won the No-Gi Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu blue belt championships roughly a year after starting submission grappling. He currently holds a purple belt under Dave Camarillo. On October 23, 2010, Velasquez defeated BL via TKO in the first round at UFC 121 to become the new UFC Heavyweight Champion.

Cain began his mixed martial arts career right after college, joining American Kickboxing Academy, Velasquez is purple belt in Guerrilla Jiu-Jitsu and a NCAA Division I Wrestler.

He has notable wins over CK, BR, AN, and BL.


Collegiate wrestling:

* Two-time All-American Div 1 NCAA Wrestler.

* 2002 NJCAA Collegiate Wrestling Heavyweight Championship while in Iowa Central Community College.

* Placed 5th place in the 2005 NCAA Division I Collegiate Championship at Heavyweight while in Arizona State University.

* Placed 4th place in the 2006 NCAA Division I Collegiate Championship at Heavyweight while in Arizona State University.

* 2005 Pac-10 Conference Wrestler of the Year.


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9-0





Highlights (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebJD3Pg30_Y&feature=fvsr)


vs. BL (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQ-0CXJqGDg&feature=related)

[Jackass18]

So... These guys are seemingly never going to get together inside the ring, so why not have them join my company and then I can reap all of the dough when they finally do get it on inside the ring?

I'll take Manny Pacquiao...

Hateraid already took him.

[heyhey]

Cain Velasquez - Heavyweight





:wtf: isn't this kind of early for Cain? the dude is a stud but really he has not impacted the sport in any discernible way just yet. Has not defended the title. puzzling pick. Is it just cause he's the first mexican HW champ or something. Can't believe Cain went in front of Big Nog...

[BRabbiT]

:wtf: isn't this kind of early for Cain? the dude is a stud but really he has not impacted the sport in any discernible way just yet. Has not defended the title. puzzling pick. Is it just cause he's the first mexican HW champ or something. Can't believe Cain went in front of Big Nog...



maybe, but i like the way he fights. dude is relentless.

plus, he knocked out NG (whose taken some big Ls, btw).

[hateraid]

should I go even though RBA has a mispick?

[hateraid]

BTW, I'll work on the profiles tonight, I was busy all day yesterday

[RedBlackAttack]

Damn.... That sort of kills the round-robin that I had envisioned. I guess I'll go with Tommy Hearns.

No time to write up a presentation at the moment... I'll do it later.

[hateraid]

I'll grab Matt Hughes.

Sorry, I owe 3 write ups. I'll definitely do it tonight when I get home

[Jackass18]

I would have taken Hughes, but I just don't care for the guy.

[bdreason]

Lineups updated on the 1st page.


Dasher is next, then me. :D


Anyone else interested in the game I came up with? I've thought of some ways to fine tune it as well, let me know.

[bdreason]

Gonna go ahead and make my pick.


With my 6th pick I'm taking one of my favorite martial artists of all-time:


Andy Hug

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Andy Hug was a professional Swiss Seidokaikan and Kyokushin Karateka (Karate) and kickboxer from Wohlen, Switzerland. Hug was the K-1 World Grand Prix 1996 champion and runner up in 1997 and 1998. His losses in 97 and 98 were to Ernesto Hoost and Peter Aerts; both whom are considered amongst the greatest of all time... and both with a significant size advantage.

Andy was a fan favorite in Japan, where they gave him the nickname the "Blue-Eyed Samurai", despite having brown eyes. He was popular for his unique style of Kickboxing in which he incoporated a plethora of Karate strikes. My personal favorite strike is his Axe Kick, which very few people in the world can use with effectiveness like Andy.

Unfortunately, Andy past away in 2000 from complications of Leukemia. He was only 35, and just months before had beaten Mirko CroCop in a K-1 Fight Night event.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KltbxRVP0gU

[Zombles]

Hug is awesome, probably the greatest southpaw in K-1 history, gave up size in almost every fight, and still won a Grand Prix in the golden age of K-1.

[Jackass18]

Heyhey's time is up, so I'm up. My 2 picks:

Semmy Schilt

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K-1 record: 34-3-1
MMA record: 26-14


Semmy Schilt is a professional Dutch Ashihara karateka and kickboxer, mixed martial artist and four time (three times consecutive) K-1 World GP champion. He is the first and only fighter in K-1 history to win the championship three times in a row, and also shares the record with Ernesto Hoost for most GPs won, with four. He has also competed in mixed-martial arts fights for the Pride Fighting Championship, UFC and Pancrase organizations.


No fighter has dominated an era in K-1 history like four-time champion Semmy Schilt. The High Tower from Holland is, quite simply, the most powerful K-1 champion in history and a man who dominated the last ten years by breaking K-1's most time-honored records.

Schilt's four K-1 Grand Prix tournament victories is matched only by Ernesto Hoost, but the difference is that Schilt has two of the top three fastest Grand Prix victories of all time (first fastest and third fastest) and won four crowns in four Grand Prix appearances, a feat Hoost cannot match.

Schilt's 5:52 romp through the stacked 2009 Grand Prix tournament is a feat that will most likely never be bettered, smashing Peter Aerts's 1998 Grand Prix record winning time of 6:43. In winning his fourth Grand Prix title, Schilt also remains the only repeat champion in Grand Prix history to never lose a Grand Prix match (he is now 12-0 in the K-1 Grand Prix tournament). Indeed, if you include his win in the 2005 K-1 GP in Paris tournament, Schilt becomes the only fighter in K-1 history to hold a perfect tournament record.

In 2007 Schilt became the first ever K-1 World Super Heavyweight 100+ kilogram champion when he knocked out Ray Sefo (Schilt became the first fighter to KO Sefo cold in K-1 competition).

Between September 2006 and June 2008, Schilt set another record for the longest winning streak in K-1 history with 13 fights undefeated, eclipsing Peter Aerts's 12-fight winning streak set between 1993 and 1996.

vs. Badr Hari (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATjJVR7I-d0)
vs. Mark Hunt (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x52dkf_semmy-schilt-vs-mark-hunt_sport)
vs. The Hawtness (http://www.vbox7.com/play:a2e52c71?r=google)
vs. Mighty Mo (http://www.mma-core.com/videos/_Semmy_Schilt_vs_Siala_Mighty_Mo_Siliga_Fields_D?v id=10002659)
Highlights (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZiJAUSuBcE)

Roger Gracie

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Grappling record: 63-7 (according to wiki)
MMA record: 3-0


Roger Gracie is a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu practitioner, and mixed martial artist. Roger was awarded his black belt by cousin Renzo Gracie at the behest of Carlos Gracie, Jr. whilst training in New York in 2003. He is currently a second degree black belt. A member of the Gracie family, he is the son of Reila Gracie (daughter of Carlos Gracie) and Mauricio Motta Gomes. Roger Gracie is the founder and head instructor at The Roger Gracie Academy located in West London, England.

Roger Gracie is the most accomplished Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu practitioner in the world. He has won the BJJ World Jiu-Jitsu Championship (the Mundials) a record 10 times, including 7 times in his own weight class and the first person to win 3 times at open weight In 2010. In addition to his accolades competing with the gi, In 2005 Roger competed in the prestigious ADCC Submission Wrestling World Championship and won all 8 of his matches both at weight and absolute. In the 2009 Mundials he submitted all of his opponents in his weight class and the absolute (open weight) with a choke from the mount (considered one of the most fundamental and basic moves in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu.) Roger has not been submitted in competition since he was a blue belt.

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdFW7S6prDI"]vs. Jacar

[hateraid]

Manny "Pacman" Pacquiao 52-3-2

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Emmanuel Dapidran Pacquiao (Tagalog pronunciation: [pɐkˈjaʊ],[3] English: /ˈp

[hateraid]

I would have taken Hughes, but I just don't care for the guy.

Actually me neither. But his legacy far exceeds most of the fighters picked. He's UFC's winningest fighter, probably the strongest P4P fighter ever, and had that same aura of invicibilty that Liddell had. Only fighter to beat both St.Pierre and Penn

Should have been taken over Cain and Crocop and on the same level as Penn in terms of legacy

[Jackass18]

Heyhey is skipped again, bdreason is up.

[heyhey]

god damn, some of my picks got taken. I'll take Pernell Whitaker a my last boxing pick. and For pre 60s I'll take Masahiko Kimura, one of the greatest Judoka of all time. Sorry for not editing my post with videos. I'll do it all this weekend.

Editted my pick to Whitaker sweet pea

[bdreason]

god damn, some of my picks got taken. I'll take Floyd Mayweather Jr a my last boxing pick. and For pre 60s I'll take Masahiko Kimura, one of the greatest Judoka of all time. Sorry for not editing my post with videos. I'll do it all this weekend.


Floyd is taken. I'll wait for HeyHey to finish his pick before I go again.



And Dasher still has a pick whenever he wants.

[RedBlackAttack]

Actually me neither. But his legacy far exceeds most of the fighters picked. He's UFC's winningest fighter, probably the strongest P4P fighter ever, and had that same aura of invicibilty that Liddell had. Only fighter to beat both St.Pierre and Penn

Should have been taken over Cain and Crocop and on the same level as Penn in terms of legacy
Remember that choices aren't made strictly based on a fighter's place on the all-time list or legacy. If that were the case, there are many, many boxers I would have taken over Hearns and Floyd and a lot of guys I would have taken over CroCop.

My choices were made with an eye on legacy and an eye on public appeal and being able to promote an interesting card. Hughes has a great legacy, but he never really caught the attention of the general public (his domination of Royce aside).

While Hughes likely would rank above CroCop on any p4p list, I would rather have a prime CroCop to put together a fight card and generate interest.

[heyhey]

Remember that choices aren't made strictly based on a fighter's place on the all-time list or legacy. If that were the case, there are many, many boxers I would have taken over Hearns and Floyd and a lot of guys I would have taken over CroCop.

My choices were made with an eye on legacy and an eye on public appeal and being able to promote an interesting card. Hughes has a great legacy, but he never really caught the attention of the general public (his domination of Royce aside).

While Hughes likely would rank above CroCop on any p4p list, I would rather have a prime CroCop to put together a fight card and generate interest.

I edited my pick to Pernell Whitaker
agreed

Crocop's legacy is on par with Matt Hughes imo, if he's behind it's certainly not by some dramatic margin. Mirko is the greatest kickboxer/mma fighter hybrid there ever was. His accomplishment in both sport is tremendous. matt hughes was dominant but he only fought in UFC, didn't fight Sakuraba, LOST to penn and GSP, best fighter he beat was Trigg, should have lost to Newton.

If you have continued success in ufc, you get overexposed and your legacy is built up a little more than what it actualy was.

[RedBlackAttack]

I edited my pick to Pernell Whitaker
agreed

Crocop's legacy is on par with Matt Hughes imo, if he's behind it's certainly not by some dramatic margin. Mirko is the greatest kickboxer/mma fighter hybrid there ever was. His accomplishment in both sport is tremendous. matt hughes was dominant but he only fought in UFC, didn't fight Sakuraba, LOST to penn and GSP, best fighter he beat was Trigg, should have lost to Newton.

If you have continued success in ufc, you get overexposed and your legacy is built up a little more than what it actualy was.
Nice pick with Pernell. He was the best fighter of that generation in terms of legacy. I would probably have him somewhere in my Top 30 all-time p4p list. I was also a huge fan.

He is probably alongside Willie Pep as the greatest defensive fighter to ever live.

Also agree with the CroCop/Hughes comparison. It is tough for a great a heavyweight to out-rank a great smaller fighter in a pound-for-pound debate. That goes for both MMA and boxing.

The reason is that the heavyweight fighter is dependent on having competed in a stacked division during his prime, whereas a welterweight like Hughes has more options in terms of opponents and weight.

Pound-for-pound rankings almost always favor smaller fighters. But, at the end of the day, I agree that these two are pretty close in terms of legacy and accomplishments. Hughes' reign and prime was a bit longer than CroCop's which may give him the slight edge.

I enjoyed watching Mirko a hell of a lot more, though.

[bdreason]

With my 7th pick I'm taking a guy I never liked, but certainly has the resume to be considered one of the best HW Boxers of all-time, Lennox Lewis.


Lennox Lewis

Lennox Claudius Lewis (born September 2, 1965) is a retired boxer and the most recent Undisputed World Heavyweight Champion. As an amateur he won gold representing Canada at the 1988 Olympic Games after defeating future World Heavyweight Champion Riddick Bowe in the final.

Professionally, Lewis rose through the rankings and knocked out Donovan Ruddock to take over the number one position in the World Boxing Council (WBC) rankings and eventually be declared WBC heavyweight champion. He was the undisputed champion after defeating Evander Holyfield by unanimous decision in 1999. Throughout his professional career, Lewis suffered only two losses, both of which he avenged in rematches, both by knockout. Upon retirement in 2004, he had defeated every opponent he had faced.

Along with Muhammad Ali, Holyfield, Vitali Klitschko and Michael Moorer, Lewis is one of only five boxers in history to have won the heavyweight championship three times.

Lewis is 6 ft 5 in (196 cm) tall and has an 84-inch (213 cm) reach, much longer than average for his height. During his boxing prime, he weighed about 250 pounds (113 kg). Lewis often referred to himself as "the pugilist specialist".


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[RedBlackAttack]

Does Lee have a verifiable win-loss record? I thought about taking him, but I didn't think there was a ton of evidence out there of actual competitive fighting.

[pete's montreux]

Does Lee have a verifiable win-loss record? I thought about taking him, but I didn't think there was a ton of evidence out there of actual competitive fighting.

It's all second hand stories, mostly.

[BRabbiT]

Does Lee have a verifiable win-loss record? I thought about taking him, but I didn't think there was a ton of evidence out there of actual competitive fighting.



+1


i really wanted to take him early on. B.Lee was a savant:D

[RedBlackAttack]

It's all second hand stories, mostly.
I think that should make him ineligible.

Dash?

[bdreason]

I'll go ahead and pick someone else as long as nobody else picks Lee, no problem. Give me a minute though.

[bdreason]

Switched my pick to Lennox Lewis.


Dasher is up. He has two picks lets give him some time.

[Zombles]

Crocop's legacy is on par with Matt Hughes imo, if he's behind it's certainly not by some dramatic margin. Mirko is the greatest kickboxer/mma fighter hybrid there ever was. His accomplishment in both sport is tremendous. matt hughes was dominant but he only fought in UFC, didn't fight Sakuraba, LOST to penn and GSP, best fighter he beat was Trigg, should have lost to Newton.

If you have continued success in ufc, you get overexposed and your legacy is built up a little more than what it actualy was.

I need to bulletpoint this, this post is overwhelmingly ignorant/insane.

-Sakuraba fought in different weight classes than Matt Hughes. He spent much of his career at 205 though his natural weight was 185. Hughes has never been and will never be anything but a 170.

-At worst Matt's first fight with Newton should have been ruled a no-contest if you believe Hughes was 100% out from the choke. There is no denying Newton was KTFO from the slam, and he had prevented an earlier identical slam by hooking onto the fence which the ref missed.

-Regardless of the first fight Hughes won the 2nd match by crucifying Newton and smashing his head into the canvas settling who was the better fighter.

-The welterweight class outside of the UFC has been historically weak to the point of irrelevance. PRIDE didn't even have a welterweight division as there wasn't enough talent to support one.

-Cro Cop was never a champion, he was upset in his prime by Randemlman and Hunt, and lost his fights against Big Nog and Fedor, the other two best fighters in the division. He was at best the #3 HW in PRIDE, his prime was short-lived, and he has aged terribly.

-The UFC did not baby Hughes and his best win was not Trigg. When Hughes had worked his way through the native talent in the division the UFC brought in top 5 fighters in Sakurai and Sherk to challenge for Hughes's belt. He is also the only man in the world to hold wins over both GSP and BJ Penn. After this weekend he will have fought them 6 times.

Anderson Silva, GSP, and Fedor are the three greatest fighters in MMA history. You'd be hard-pressed to put any other over Hughes, and certainly not Cro Cop who was never more than #3 in his own weight-class

[Jackass18]

Yeah, how was Trigg his best win? He has wins over GSP and Penn... He also beat Sherk when he was 17-0-1 and Mach when he was 19-1-2 (his only loss at the time was to Anderson Silva, and one of his wins was a TKO over Trigg).

[Jackass18]

Also agree with the CroCop/Hughes comparison. It is tough for a great a heavyweight to out-rank a great smaller fighter in a pound-for-pound debate. That goes for both MMA and boxing.

Cro Cop isn't a big HW, though. Hughes was a little bit bigger than a number of the guys he faced while Cro Cop was smaller than a number of the guys he faced. But anyway, Hughes > Cro Cop in terms of legacy, but I would probably take Cro Cop over Hughes in this draft for other reasons.

[Brujesino]

Matt Hughes Legacy>>>>Cro Cops
Cro Cops Highlight reel>>>>>Matt Hughes

pretty easily


Also i dont want to name drop but i hear this kid charlie z is a darn good fighter

[raiderfan19]

I can see the reasoning for picking cro crop over hughes for this particular draft. Hughes was without question the better MMA fighter, but Cro Crop was more entertaining. The argument against Hughes is that his accomplishment is that he was great at his sport, moreso than that he sold tickets/ppvs. The problem with using that to support him is that the most dominant combat sport athlete ever(possible exception of SRR) hasnt been picked yet.

[Zombles]

wasn't bashing the pick, prime CC is more marketable than just about any MMA fighter. just setting the record straight after the misinformation about Hughes began flowing.


I can see the reasoning for picking cro crop over hughes for this particular draft. Hughes was without question the better MMA fighter, but Cro Crop was more entertaining. The argument against Hughes is that his accomplishment is that he was great at his sport, moreso than that he sold tickets/ppvs. The problem with using that to support him is that the most dominant combat sport athlete ever(possible exception of SRR) hasnt been picked yet.

yeah, reckon he doesn't have the glitter of a flashier name but in the history of combat sports, especially one as professionally and internationally organized as his, no one has been as dominant.

i'm still in awe of the dude, wish i could hit his signature.

[heyhey]

I need to bulletpoint this, this post is overwhelmingly ignorant/insane.

-Sakuraba fought in different weight classes than Matt Hughes. He spent much of his career at 205 though his natural weight was 185. Hughes has never been and will never be anything but a 170.
That's a result of the weight cutting culture here in the US. matt hughes is easily over 200 pounds before cutting. Sakuraba walked around at 200. No reason to think that they couldn't have fought.

-At worst Matt's first fight with Newton should have been ruled a no-contest if you believe Hughes was 100% out from the choke. There is no denying Newton was KTFO from the slam, and he had prevented an earlier identical slam by hooking onto the fence which the ref missed.
how can the fight be no-contest if one guy is choked unconscious...that's ground for stoppage

-Regardless of the first fight Hughes won the 2nd match by crucifying Newton and smashing his head into the canvas settling who was the better fighter.

-The welterweight class outside of the UFC has been historically weak to the point of irrelevance. PRIDE didn't even have a welterweight division as there wasn't enough talent to support one.
Japanese fight culture is not as weight conscious as american ones, Pride allowed much bigger difference in fight weight, not an issue of talent jut one of culture.

-Cro Cop was never a champion, he was upset in his prime by Randemlman and Hunt, and lost his fights against Big Nog and Fedor, the other two best fighters in the division. He was at best the #3 HW in PRIDE, his prime was short-lived, and he has aged terribly.
At best he was top 2 HW in the world. behind the GOAT of the sport.
-The UFC did not baby Hughes and his best win was not Trigg. When Hughes had worked his way through the native talent in the division the UFC brought in top 5 fighters in Sakurai and Sherk to challenge for Hughes's belt. He is also the only man in the world to hold wins over both GSP and BJ Penn. After this weekend he will have fought them 6 times.
He beat a YOUNG GSP and Penn injured himself in the fight. Sakurai was in a CAR ACCIDENT the week before the fight. and Sherk... busted for roids, smaller hughes perfect matchup. Trigg is Hughes' best win. Frank trigg is a good fighter, not sure why you take offense here.

Anderson Silva, GSP, and Fedor are the three greatest fighters in MMA history. You'd be hard-pressed to put any other over Hughes, and certainly not Cro Cop who was never more than #3 in his own weight-class
CroCop was top 2 HW after the openweight 2006 tournament. Ranking behind the GOAT Fedor and 2nd GREATEST HW big Nog is not a smear on anyone's record. p4p? give me the guy that fought ppl HEAVIER than him and not the guy that cut 30 pounds to lay on smaller guys.


that's my opinion

[Dasher]

Masahiko Kimura


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2c/Masahiko_Kimura_%281917-1993%29.jpg/230px-Masahiko_Kimura_%281917-1993%29.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Masahiko_Kimura_(1917-1993).jpg)

All-Japan Collegiate Championships (1935)
7th All Japan Judo Championship (1937)
8th All Japan Judo Championship (1938)
9th All Japan Judo Championship (1939)
Ten-Ran Shiai tournament (1940)
1947 West Japan Judo Championship
1949 All Japan Judo Championship


Masahiko Kimura most well-known in The West for the his victory over Helio Gracie and having the reverse ude-garami named after him. He is widely considered to be the greatest Judokan of all time.

[Dasher]

Dasher F. Ruiz Promotions is proud to announce the signing of Brock Lesnar to our roster. Fanboys g'wan head and pitch your fits.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c13/jnuesser/brock_lesnar.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnB-9ssVjQc

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3zhsq_brock-lesnar-v-stephen-neal-1999-nc_sport

http://www.forbezdvd.com/cod.php?v=NTEwMg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/81/Brock_Lesnar_in_2003.jpg (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/81/Brock_Lesnar_in_2003.jpg)



He is a former UFC Heavyweight Champion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_Heavyweight_Championship) and is ranked the #2 Heavyweight in the world by Sherdog.[10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brock_Lesnar#cite_note-9) Lesnar is an accomplished amateur wrestler, winning the 2000 NCAA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Collegiate_Athletic_Association) heavyweight wrestling championship and placing second in 1999.

[bdreason]

Kimura was already taken by HeyHey.

[Dasher]

Frank Shamrock

[Bush4Ever]

Damn, no love for wrestlers in this thread. Catch, Folkstyle, Greco-Roman, etc...no love for wrestlers. Tsk Tsk.

There is one wrestler in particular that I am shocked hasn't been picked yet.

[RedBlackAttack]

Damn, no love for wrestlers in this thread. Catch, Folkstyle, Greco-Roman, etc...no love for wrestlers. Tsk Tsk.

There is one wrestler in particular that I am shocked hasn't been picked yet.
They have to have a verifiable professional W-L record. There are plenty of collegiate, Greco-roman or freestyle wrestlers that I would consider taking, but there is no 'professional' wrestling, so to speak. It is all competing on an amateur level. I don't think that qualifies for this draft.

[Bush4Ever]

They have to have a verifiable professional W-L record. There are plenty of collegiate, Greco-roman or freestyle wrestlers that I would consider taking, but there is no 'professional' wrestling, so to speak. It is all competing on an amateur level. I don't think that qualifies for this draft.

Ah, makes sense. Didn't realize that qualifier.

[Bush4Ever]

poor Karelin. he wants in :(

Well, he is 1-0 in MMA (*coughworkedmatch*). Maybe he can sneak in that way?

:eek:

[Jackass18]

He is a former UFC Heavyweight Champion and is ranked the #2 Heavyweight in the world by Sherdog.

That ranking is complete horseshit.

I think Hateraid is on the clock for another 2 hours (unless we're on the pod system now).

[Jackass18]

Bump, so who's up now?

[hateraid]

Is it my turn? I keep on checking the PHP, hasn't been updated. I'll pick now if I can

[Dasher]

can someone update the php and take over pm duties. my comp is broken and ish is blocked at work.

[hateraid]

can someone update the php and take over pm duties. my comp is broken and ish is blocked at work.

I nominate Jackass. He's always on the ball. Rep is he does it

[hateraid]

Well, since it was name dropped, I was gonna save it for a later round

I believe if recieved proper MMA training he could have dominated MMA

"The Experiment"

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/mRb76QhpxS4/2.jpg


Aleksandr Aleksandrovich Karelin, or simply Alexander Karelin, (Russian: Александр Александрович Карелин; born September 19, 1967 in Novosibirsk, Russian SFSR) is a Hero of the Russian Federation and was a dominant Greco-Roman wrestler for the Soviet Union and later, after its dissolution, for Russia. He won gold medals at the 1988, 1992, and 1996 Olympic Games. Nicknamed the "Russian Bear," "Alexander the Great" and "The Experiment" (see below), he went undefeated in international competition (spanning from 1987 to 2000) until a rule change resulted in an upset loss to American Rulon Gardner in the gold-medal match at the Sydney Olympics. Karelin went the last six years of his unbeaten streak without giving up a point. He was revered for his extraordinary strength and unprecedented success in international competition. He is universally considered to be the greatest Greco-Roman wrestler of all time.[1][2]. He also took part in professional wrestling, performing in a worked contest against Akira Maeda in the professional wrestling promotion, RINGS, in 1999.[3]

He competed at the heaviest weight class of his day, 130 kg (286 lb). His conditioning and quickness combined with his dominance of the sport, led to him being known as "The Experiment" by much of the rest of the world.[citation needed]. When asked why he thought he was called that, Karelin noted that others don't understand because "I train every day of my life as they have never trained a day in theirs."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRb76QhpxS4

[Jackass18]

[PHP]Combat Sports Draft

Round One
1.JackAss-Sugar Ray Robinson Boxer(Middle/Welter Weight) Pre-1960
2.HeyHey-Muhammed Ali Boxer(Heavy Weight)
3.bdreason-Anderson Silva Mixed Martial Artist (Middleweight)
4.Dasher-Fedor Emelianenko Heavyweight Mixed Martial Artist
5.Hateraid-Benny "The Jet" Urquidez Kickboxer
6.BRabbit-Joe Louis Boxer(Heavyweight) Pre-1960
RedAndBlackAttack-Roberto Duran

Round 2
RedAndBlackAttack-Henry Armstrong-Boxer(Heavyweight)
7.BRabbit-Georges St.Pierre Mixed Martial Artist
8.Hateraid-Willie Pep-Boxer(Featherweight)
9.Dasher-Iron Mike Tyson-Boxer(Heavyweight)
10.bdreason-B.J Penn Mixed Martial Artist(Welterweight/Lightweight)
11.HeyHey-Mauricio "Shogun" Rua Mixed Martial Artist(Light-Heavyweight)
12.JackAss-Wanderlei "The Axe Murderer" Silva Mixed Martial Artist

Round 3

13.JackAss-Chuck Liddell Mixed Martial Artist
14.HeyHey-Kazushi "The Gracie Hunter" Sakuraba Mixed Martial Artist(Catch Wrestler)
15.bdreason-George Foreman Grill Master, Boxer(Heavyweight)
16.Dasher-Chuck Norris Martial Artist(Karate, Tae Kwon Do, Chuck Kuk Do)
17..Hateraid-Takanori "The Fireball Kid" Gomi
18.BRabbit-Sugar Ray Leonard
RedAndBlackAttack-Royce Gracie

Round 4
RedAndBlackAttack-Mirko Filipović "CroCop"
19.BRabbit-Jack Johnson Boxer Cruiserweight Pre-1960
20.Hateraid-Manny Pacquiao
21.Dasher-Roy Jones Jr.
22.bdreason-Jack Dempsey Boxer Heavyweight Pre-1960
23.HeyHey-Bernard Hopkins
24.JackAss-Archie Moore

Round 5

25.JackAss-Marvelous Marvin Hagler
26.HeyHey-Rocky Marciano
27.bdreason-The Golden Boy Oscar De la Hoya
28.Dasher-The Raging Bull Jake LaMotta-Pre 1960
29.Hateraid-Julio Cesar Chavez
30.BRabbit-Gene Tunney
RedAndBlackAttack-Floyd "Head Up His Ass" Mayweather, Jr.
Round 6
RedAndBlackAttack-Tommy "Hitman" Hearns
31.BRabbit-Cain "Brown Pride" Velasquez
32.Hateraid-Matt "Country Bumpkin" Hughes
33.Dasher-Brock "Pen!s Tattoo" Lesnar
34.bdreason-Andy "Let's Have a Group" Hug
35.HeyHey-Pernell "Sweet Pea" Whitaker
36.JackAss-Semmy "Hightower" Schilt

Round 7

37.JackAss-Roger Gracie
38.HeyHey-Masahiko Kimura
39.bdreason-Lennox Lewis
40.Dasher-Frank Shamrock
41.Hateraid-Don "The Dragon" Wilson
42.BRabbit-Sam Langford
RedAndBlackAttack-"The Godfather of GnP" Mark Coleman
Round 8
RedAndBlackAttack-Mark "The Smashing Machine" Kerr
43.BRabbit-Ant

[Dasher]

is karelin a professional fighter. i may have to invoke the bruce lee rule.

[Jackass18]

He has a worked fight against Maeda. Sherdog seems to count it as a real fight: http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Alexander-Karelin-25349

Either way, Hateraid might want to repick.

[hateraid]

I can then if that's what was agreed upon. Your call Dashalicious

[hateraid]

I'll change my pick to Don "The Dragon" Wilson.

Posting on BB so I'll do Rundown when I get home

[hateraid]

Chimin in on the Hughes/Cro Cop debate

First off legacy is Hughes > Cro Cop.
As fighters Hughes had the capabilty to be every bit as marketable as Cro Cop. Back in Hughes prime which most likely predates most of the current UFC fans, Hughes was a very big draw and had the highlight reel capabilty. I was a UFC fan at the time Hughes fought Triggs and it was every bit as much anticipated as a GSP fight would be. Hughes' strength and big slam was well worth the price of admission.

What did Hughes in was him trying to change his gameplan in the ring. Hre decided to try and stand-up with fighters which was very ackward and unesthetically pleasing to watch. That and when he was the coach on TUF. He was marketed to look like an arrogant prick, much the same way as Koschek is being viewed as now. He became unlikable almost instantly.

Taking that into consideration I don't see how anybody can say CroCop had acommplished more than Hughes in terms of acheivement, meaningful wins over quality opponents, and fight record. Cro Cop is no more acommplished and is probably on the same reputation line as Vitor Belfort in terms of likabilty and the type of showcase they display. In this case Hughes would be the better choice of this draft.

[bagelred]

I used to love Combat.

http://www.livebythegun.com/upload/2-209.png

[hateraid]

Don "The Dragon" Wilson

http://www.karatekidzonline.com/images/donwilson.jpg



Wilson was born in Illinois, and grew up on Florida's Space Coast. He had a long and successful career in the ring. He was perhaps the best known and most successful kickboxer of his era.

He is a Sifu in Pai Lum Tao Kung fu (Source: Inside Kungfu, September 2004).[1] also known as White Dragon Kung Fu which is how he obained his nickname. Wilson incorporated this and claimed his style as White Dragon Kickboxing.

[edit] Kickboxing career
Wilson won a total of 11 World Titles with several sanctioning bodies that included the IKF, WKA, KICK, ISKA, STAR and the PKO. He won his IKF (www.IKFKickboxing.com) FCR Cruiserweight World Title on May 15, 1999 in Lowell, Massachusetts, USA, when he defeated Dick Kimber. (Lynn, Massachusetts, USA PRO: 23-3/21, AM: 25-0/25 5'9" 197 ) At the end of the 3rd round Wilson came alive and exploded with a flurry that eventually knocked Kimber to the floor motionless. Referee Dan Stell counted Kimber out on the floor, a count that went into the round break. Kimber never stood during the count.

Having never been challenged for his title, Wilson voluntarily retired it to move down to the Light Heavyweight Division, where he eventually retired from fighting a few years later.

Don holds a KO win over the first ever K-1 Kickboxing Grand-Prix Champion, Branco Cikatic
Dragon Highlights (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6K5Jw1TPPOg)

[BRabbiT]

Round 7

Sam Langford -welterweight
[QUOTE]
"Boston Terror"

167-38-37-3 (117 KOs) & 48 no-decisions

5'6

[hateraid]

bump

Home stretch

[Jackass18]

RBA is skipped and has 2 pending picks. BRabbit is back on the clock.

[RedBlackAttack]

My bad, guys... Been away for the last couple of days. I'm going to continue to take guys that I have enjoyed watching to make fights that I'd love to see, rather than just selecting the 'next guy' in some kind of historical ranking.

With that said, I'm going with Mark Coleman and Mark Kerr.

No time to do a presentation at the moment... Will type one up later tonight. :cheers:

[Jackass18]

Boooooo on Mark Coleman. Never really cared for the guy, but he did have one of the greatest celebrations ever.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v393/TheDropper/Coleman.gif

I still haven't gotten around to watching the The Smashing Machine. I need to do that sometime. This should serve as a reminder to do so.

[RedBlackAttack]

Boooooo on Mark Coleman. Never really cared for the guy, but he did have one of the greatest celebrations ever. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v393/TheDropper/Coleman.gif

I still haven't gotten around to watching the The Smashing Machine. I need to do that sometime. This should serve as a reminder to do so.
Prime Kerr may have had the best G&P of all-time. Surprised you aren't a Coleman fan... He was one of the first really dominant wrestlers. He helped usher in that era of great collegiate wrestlers going directly into MMA.

He was a very skilled, very strong big man.

[BRabbiT]

round 8

Ant

[Jackass18]

Coleman hasn't always done a very good job of keeping his roid rage in check. He always seems to come off as a douchey meathead, and I never cared for those Hammer House guys like Randleman, Jabroni, and Sims.

[Brujesino]

Coleman hasn't always done a very good job of keeping his roid rage in check. He always seems to come off as a douchey meathead, and I never cared for those Hammer House guys like Randleman, Jabroni, and Sims.
i hate everyone there except randleman...such a wasted talent.

And really RBA Coleman and Kerr?I mean i know its your draft but really?I dont want to be a ass but:facepalm

[RedBlackAttack]

i hate everyone there except randleman...such a wasted talent.

And really RBA Coleman and Kerr?I mean i know its your draft but really?I dont want to be a ass but:facepalm
Coleman was both the UFC heavyweight champion and a PRIDE Gran Prix champion... One of the few fighters to own both belts. Plus, he was a phenomenal collegiate wrestler.

Kerr was a phenomenal Brazilian cage fighter before there was the such thing as the UFC or any other mainstream MMA competition. He also went on to own the UFC heavyweight title. He then went on to have a very good career fighting in PRIDE.

These guys both fit the criteria I like... Great collegiate wrestlers, very accomplished MMA fighters in both of the major organizations and both had success in the early days of mainstream MMA and later on when the competition was a little deeper and more refined. In fact, one could argue that these two helped take MMA to where it is today.

I'm also focusing on the heavyweight division and bouts that I would like to see. Again, this isn't a pound-for-pound list for me. If you don't want to watch my fighters, don't pay the money for my PPV event.

If Brock f#cking Lesnar didn't draw any boos from the audience, Coleman and Kerr certainly shouldn't. Coleman/Kerr careers sh!t all over Lesnar's.

[Jackass18]

Hateraid and Dasher skipped. Bdreason is on the clock for another 5 and a half hours.

[hateraid]

Randy Couture

Write up to come

[Jackass18]

I was wondering if anyone was going to take him.

[BRabbiT]

Randy Couture

Write up to come





good pick. i thought about taking him w/my previous pick.

[Dasher]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ce/Carlos_Monz%C3%B3n.JPG/499px-Carlos_Monz%C3%B3n.JPG (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ce/Carlos_Monz%C3%B3n.JPG)

[B]Carlos Monz

[bdreason]

With my last pick I'm going to take arguably the best MMA submission artist in the World, Shinya Aoki.


Shinya Aoki -


Shinya Aoki is a Japanese mixed martial artist, grappler, and former police trainee who is noted for being the World Alliance of Mixed Martial Arts (WAMMA) Lightweight Champion, DREAM Lightweight Champion, and former Shooto Middleweight Champion. Aoki holds a black belt in Brazilian jiu-jitsu under Yuki Nakai, as well as a black belt in judo. He is best known for his excellent flexibility, often taking opponents by surprise and earning him the nickname "Tobikan Judan," meaning "master of flying submissions." As of 2008, Aoki, along with Deep champion Masakazu Imanari, and Sengoku champion Satoru Kitaoka have founded the "Nippon Top Team" as a group of elite Japanese grapplers competing in MMA. As well as his MMA credentials, Aoki has garnered several submission grappling accolades including two All Japan Jiu-Jitsu championships, a Japan Open Jiu-Jitsu championship, a Budo Open championship, and an ADCC Japan championship.

He is currently ranked as the world's #2 best Lightweight by FightMatrix.com as well as the #5 Lightweight by Sherdog.com and #3 by MMAWeekly.com after his fight with Tatsuya Kawajiri.

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh236/bdreason/aoki.jpg

[Jackass18]

Boooo on Aoki, too.

Heyhey is up.

[heyhey]

Nice pick on Aoki. One of my favorite LWs to watch. He would get wrecked by Penn tho. penn is a poor matchup for Aoki but I think he can eat alot of the UFC Lws.

I'll take someone who is my favorite fighter currently.













wait for it.









u scared HOMIE?











NICK DIAZ. :bowdown: :bowdown:

Stockton boy, his no nonsense, no bs, fight to the death, tough, REAL personality is just a breath of fresh air in this day of P/C Georges St. Pierre styled press conference. Nick Diaz is by far the most exciting fighter under 175 pounds. The man is a WARRIOR and has wins over the likes of Takanori Gomi in what was one of the greatest fight in MMA history.

http://www.wat.tv/video/takanori-gomi-vs-nick-diaz-n6wj_2gyvd_.html

people forget how young this kid was when he started the game. Always an underdog agains guys like Robbie L, Frank Shamrock, but continously proving people wrong. Has a bunch of close/razor thin/bullsh!t loss to guys like Riggs, Diego, Sherk etc. Nick won the fight against Riggs at the hospital tho, you can check that.

Oh yea Nick Diaz is probably the only fighter under 170 I would take against GSP right now.

http://themmaspace.com/WordPress/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/nick%20diaz%20flip%20off.jpg

highlight http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2eTzdoBQBo&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOqxWX8aBXo

On to the earlier point about Cro Cop vs. Matt Hughes. I'm not gonna bother arguing about this with you guys anymore. Most of you started watching mma like waht in 2007/2008? For guys like myself that followed the sport back in 2002, it's not even a question who has the greater legacy. Go look at greatest fighter list on respectable mma site like Sherdog to see where Cro Cop is ranekd and where hughes is ranked.

I mean I was shaking my head at the fact that Big Nog was taken AFTER Cain and Lesnar. I mean really?! the fact Big Nog was taken in round 8 just boggles my mind.

[hateraid]

On to the earlier point about Cro Cop vs. Matt Hughes. I'm not gonna bother arguing about this with you guys anymore. Most of you started watching mma like waht in 2007/2008? For guys like myself that followed the sport back in 2002, it's not even a question who has the greater legacy. Go look at greatest fighter list on respectable mma site like Sherdog to see where Cro Cop is ranekd and where hughes is ranked.

I mean I was shaking my head at the fact that Big Nog was taken AFTER Cain and Lesnar. I mean really?! the fact Big Nog was taken in round 8 just boggles my mind.

Bro, I've watched UFC since UFC 1 where I actually had to borrow a taped copy that was passed around through friends. I got into Kenpo being a fan of Keith Hackney.

If anyone says CroCop > Hughes it's because of the fight quality, not the legacy. Like I said before, Crop Cop hasn't accomplished anything more than Vitor Belfort, but on the same premise he's a greater figher than Hughes because his style of fights and fight quality is more impressive.

[Zombles]

If anyone says CroCop > Hughes it's because of the fight quality, not the legacy. Like I said before, Crop Cop hasn't accomplished anything more than Vitor Belfort, but on the same premise he's a greater figher than Hughes because his style of fights and fight quality is more impressive.

that's a totally alien concept to me, greatness is based off winning not how flashy the performance is or even how entertaining it is.

winning is all that matters, the Steelers and Spurs championship teams aren't somehow less great than a fun Chargers or Suns team.

how often did you win, who did you win against.

all that matters as far as greatness is concerned

[hateraid]

that's a totally alien concept to me, greatness is based off winning not how flashy the performance is or even how entertaining it is.

winning is all that matters, the Steelers and Spurs championship teams aren't somehow less great than a fun Chargers or Suns team.

how often did you win, who did you win against.

all that matters as far as greatness is concerned

Which is exactly my point

45-8 > 27-8

[Jackass18]

NICK DIAZ

Yuck, my least favorite fighter.


Stockton boy, his no nonsense, no bs, fight to the death, tough, REAL personality is just a breath of fresh air in this day of P/C Georges St. Pierre styled press conference.

Not sure if serious. You're talking about a guy who is more concerned with smoking weed than he is with fighting. He says he doesn't like fighting at all and would just do triathlons instead if they paid more. He always comes off as a gigantic douchebag, crybaby and pretty damn retarded in every interview he does, but he's somehow a breath of fresh air? No way. He's what's wrong with MMA. He might have given the sport more black eyes than any other person. Other guys may have done worse things, but as many times as Diaz has?


Nick Diaz is by far the most exciting fighter under 175 pounds.

Not sure if serious. I can think of countless fighters that are more entertaining.


The man is a WARRIOR and has wins over the likes of Takanori Gomi in what was one of the greatest fight in MMA history.

And, it doesn't even count.


Oh yea Nick Diaz is probably the only fighter under 170 I would take against GSP right now.

You must be on some serious drugs. GSP would destroy him with ease. Diaz ducks wrestlers and is ducking the hell out of Mayhem.

[heyhey]

Yuck, my least favorite fighter.



Not sure if serious. You're talking about a guy who is more concerned with smoking weed than he is with fighting. He says he doesn't like fighting at all and would just do triathlons instead if they paid more. He always comes off as a gigantic douchebag, crybaby and pretty damn retarded in every interview he does, but he's somehow a breath of fresh air? No way. He's what's wrong with MMA. He might have given the sport more black eyes than any other person. Other guys may have done worse things, but as many times as Diaz has?



Not sure if serious. I can think of countless fighters that are more entertaining.



And, it doesn't even count.



You must be on some serious drugs. GSP would destroy him with ease. Diaz ducks wrestlers and is ducking the hell out of Mayhem.


http://www.thisis720.com/home/images/stories/diaz-punch.jpg

here's what diaz thinks of Mayhem.

I don't care if a fighter uses recreational drugs. It's the tools on steroids, HGH, etc like Sherk that bothers me. There's a weed culture among MMA fans, snitches like Jon Jones get more hate from me than some one who's honest about what most people do.

not sure about the countless more entertaining fighters. UFC is filled with wrestlers now days who have no interest in ending the fight and just winning with lay and pray. Give me a Diaz fight over that any day. I don't think Nick Diaz has ever been in a boring fight.

who are your favorite fighters Jackass18?

[Jackass18]

http://www.thisis720.com/home/images/stories/diaz-punch.jpg

here's what diaz thinks of Mayhem.

Yeah, he's real bold when he's surrounded by his friends.


I don't care if a fighter uses recreational drugs. It's the tools on steroids, HGH, etc like Sherk that bothers me. There's a weed culture among MMA fans, snitches like Jon Jones get more hate from me than some one who's honest about what most people do.

I'm not hating on weed. I'm saying that he's missed out on some fights due to weed.


UFC is filled with wrestlers now days who have no interest in ending the fight and just winning with lay and pray. Give me a Diaz fight over that any day. I don't think Nick Diaz has ever been in a boring fight.

Yeah, he does have entertaining fights, but the UFC isn't full of LnP rasslers. I like watching him fight, but he has a terrible personality that has been embarrassing at times.


who are your favorite fighters Jackass18?

I'm about to take one.

[bdreason]

On to the earlier point about Cro Cop vs. Matt Hughes. I'm not gonna bother arguing about this with you guys anymore. Most of you started watching mma like waht in 2007/2008? For guys like myself that followed the sport back in 2002, it's not even a question who has the greater legacy. Go look at greatest fighter list on respectable mma site like Sherdog to see where Cro Cop is ranekd and where hughes is ranked.




CroCop doesn't have a greater legacy than Hughes, and I'm a huge CroCop fan, and can't stand Hughes. And I'm not sure why you bring up time (2002), when Hughes was undefeated from 2001-2004 when he was beaten by BJ Penn. Then he won his next 5 fights against GSP, Trigg, Riggs, Gracie, and then won a rematch with BJ Penn. Hughes resume destroys CroCops in both longevity and quality of wins. The only real losses Hughes has on his entire resume since becoming a UFC champ are against GSP, BJ Penn, and Thiago Alves... all high quality opponents.


Anyway, like I said, I can't stand Hughes, but his resume and legacy exceeds CroCops. CroCop has some terrible losses on his resume, and gets most of his hype from winning the Pride OWGP, where he didn't have to face Fedor (although wins over Nog and Barnett is impressive).

Truth is, both fighters were one-dimensional, but great at what they did. I personally prefer to watch people get KTFO by headkicks, but Hughes wrestling was every bit as impressive as CroCop's standup.

[bdreason]

Boooo on Aoki, too.

Heyhey is up.


Your last pick was Roger Gracie. :confusedshrug:

[bdreason]

And I like the Diaz pick, but GSP would wreck him. Diaz has always, and will always have trouble with good wrestlers.

[Jackass18]

Your last pick was Roger Gracie. :confusedshrug:

Roger is the best grappler in the world and maybe of all-time (he's the most accomplished). Plus, he doesn't cry himself to wins like Aoki. I wanted a grappler who also has done MMA. I guess I could have gone with Jacare, but he's not as accomplished in grappling. I couldn't go with a different Gracie with their myths. Their records have to be verifiable. Roger's accomplishments >> Aoki's

[bdreason]

Roger is the best grappler in the world and maybe of all-time (he's the most accomplished). Plus, he doesn't cry himself to wins like Aoki. I wanted a grappler who also has done MMA. I guess I could have gone with Jacare, but he's not as accomplished in grappling. I couldn't go with a different Gracie with their myths. Their records have to be verifiable. Roger's accomplishments >> Aoki's


Rogers pure grappling accomplishments > Aoki

Aoki's MMA grappling accomplishments > Roger



And Aoki has way more fans and is far more marketable.


I also almost picked Jacare... but he isn't marketable at this point.

[Jackass18]

And Aoki has way more fans and is far more marketable.

Aoki isn't that marketable, either. The Japanese fans haven't seemed to take to him that much. Do you think the casual American would take to him that well, either? The buttscoots, the femininity, the crying, the dryhumping, the rainbow pants (wait, he can't use them over here), etc...? Plus, he didn't have a very good debut over here. Drunken fans don't wanna see a guy cry like a baby after a fight.
http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb274/ziggymachine/Shinya%20Aoki/PANTS021.jpg
Something like that might endear him to drunken fans, though.

Roger could become marketable if he focuses solely on his MMA career. I didn't pick him for his marketability, though.

[Zombles]

stage 3 of glorious resplendent shinya aoki victory

http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-6-least-sportsmanlike-moments-in-mma_p2


Anyway, like I said, I can't stand Hughes, but his resume and legacy exceeds CroCops. CroCop has some terrible losses on his resume, and gets most of his hype from winning the Pride OWGP, where he didn't have to face Fedor (although wins over Nog and Barnett is impressive).

Mirko never beat Nog, got arm-barred in the one fight they had.

[Jackass18]

Alright, I'm going the RBA route with this pick and taking someone who isn't one of the all-time greats (though, he has the potential to be), but is one of my favorites. He's been the most dominant HW over the past couple years. He's the man that Fedor is scared of:

UBEREEM

http://www.mmaspot.net/mmaspot/files/image/fighterprofiles/alistair.jpg
http://i48.tinypic.com/205cnk5.gif
MMA record: 33-11
Kickboxing record: 7-4


When Alistair Overeem hits fighters, they feel it in their bones. When he throws them, they fly like paperweights. In other words, this Dutch fighter/kickboxer is about as explosively athletic as they come. Not to mention, he's one of the few athletes that's proven capable of maintaining successful MMA and kickboxing careers at the same time.


Overeem is a Dutch kickboxer and Muay Thai specialist. In other words, he likes to stand up and trade strikes with opponents. Along with this, he is technically very good on his feet, offers a diverse stand up game, and hits like a truck with both his legs and hands. What's more, he possesses underrated takedowns and takedown defense.

Perhaps Overeem's greatest strength, however, is his explosive strength and athleticism. He literally overpowers opponents.

From a submissions perspective, Overeem is known for a very strong guillotine choke.

vs. Vovchanchyn (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6qw_nv6c3o)
vs. Kharitonov (http://mmavideolinks.to/fighter-videos/218/2772-alistair-overeem-vs-sergei-kharitonov-1.html)
vs. Cro Cop (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xk6Ab2MShj8)
vs. Rogers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFRBZclzLgg)
vs. Badr Hari (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHLviK5XzMo)
Highlights (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hL1rVPzbM0)

[Jackass18]

Dasher, why did you take Frank Shamrock over El Guapo?

[Dasher]

Dasher, why did you take Frank Shamrock over El Guapo?
Personal preference. The Shamrocks were what initially piqued my interest in MMA.

[Dasher]

Dasher F. Ruiz Promotions would make the most money. Fedor vs. Brock would smash boxoffice records and be held outdoors in The Los Angeles Coliseum. The buyrate would be off the charts.
The undercard would feature a matchup between The Shamrock Bros.

Later in the year I would take over Argentina by matching Calos Monzon and Sergio Gabriel Martinez.

[BRabbiT]

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damn:eek:

[Jackass18]

Dasher F. Ruiz Promotions would make the most money. Fedor vs. Brock would smash boxoffice records and be held outdoors in The Los Angeles Coliseum. The buyrate would be off the charts.
The undercard would feature a matchup between The Shamrock Bros.

You should have drafted Kimbo if you wanted numbers. Fedor hasn't been a proven PPV draw in America.

[hateraid]

I think I would profit ythe most in fight promotions.

Pac vs. Money would eb the largest draw of all-time, any sport

[LJJ]

No Kaman drafted, no Hoost drafted; but Andy Hug and Mirko Filipovic?


:facepalm

[RedBlackAttack]

My first promotion is going to be Roberto Duran vs. Floyd Mayweather Jr.

A classic brawler against a classic technician. Presentation of the fight to come after indulging in Turkey Day feast.

[Jackass18]

3 of the guys I drafted have upcoming fights:

Semmy Schilt vs. Keijiro Maeda in the K-1 World Grand Prix 2010 Final on December 11th

Alistair Overeem vs. Tyrone Spong in the K-1 World Grand Prix 2010 Final on December 11th

Roger Gracie vs. Mike Kyle in Strikeforce on January 29th