Best bet to average 25+ ppg on 50+% shooting?

[ShaqAttack3234]

Since the start of the 00's, this feat has been accomplished by only 5 players who qualified for the scoring title

Shaq- 4 times('00-'03)
Karl Malone- 1 time('00)
Tim Duncan- 1 time('02)
Amare Stoudemire- 2 times('05, '08)
Lebron- 1 time('10)

Yao also did it in '07, but he only played 48 games.

It's a rare feat these days because we don't have that many high scoring big men, or many high scoring perimeter players who don't take a lot of 3s or are so unstoppable going to the basket like Lebron(shot 56% on 2 point shots in '10) that even a high number of 3s doesn't prevent him from accomplishing this.

I think Wade could do it this year, he's at 26 ppg on 49.3% shooting now after tonight's game and excluding the first game of the season, he's averaged 27.9 ppg on 52.5% shooting.

Wade has also come very close before. He averaged 27.2 ppg on 49.5% shooting in '06, 27.4 ppg on 49.1% shooting in an injury-plagued 2007 season and 30.2 ppg on 49.1% shooting in '09.

Dirk also has a chance. He's averaging 25.7 ppg on 57.7% shooting right now and while he won't shoot that high for the season, 50% isn't out of the question. Dirk came very close when he shot 50.2% and averaged 24.6 ppg in '07.

Melo entered tonight's game averaging 25.7 on 51.1% shooting, but after a blowout loss, he dropped to 24.1 ppg on 49.3% shooting. But he did average 25.7 ppg on 49.2% shooting in the '08 season so he could do it.

Monta Ellis is currently at 27.9 ppg on 52.1% shooting, but because he hasn't come close to both in the same season, I wouldn't call him a likely candidate to do it yet.

Wade is primarily a mid-range shooter and a guy who attacks the basket as well as a guy who can score 25 in his sleep. Nowitzki is pretty much a mid-range player as well and so is Melo who also gets high percentage shots from his post game. Those 3 are the best bets, IMO.

Who do you think has the best chance of averaging 25+ on 50+% shooting this year?

[All Net]

Pau likely would if Bynum didn't come back...but luckily he is.

[Sarcastic]

If Dwight Howard could get his scoring up a bit more, he could do it.

[YouCallILose]

Joke thread, FG% is a garbage stat

[KG5MVP]

MJ did it 6 times, and few times he was very close

[Skip Bayless]

Joke thread, FG% is a garbage stat

Same story from Durant and Bryant fans.:violin:

[YouCallILose]

Same story from Durant and Bryant fans.:violin:

40% on 10 3's=more points than 50% on 10 2's

clearly FG%=superior

[Lebron23]

Joke thread, FG% is a garbage stat

FG% >>>>>>>>>>>>> TS%

[YouCallILose]

FG% >>>>>>>>>>>>> TS%

please explain this, i would love to hear it

[Sarcastic]

40% on 10 3's=more points than 50% on 10 2's

clearly FG%=superior

Did you know that they also track 3pt FG%?

[TDPrime2030]

Dirk is probably the most likely one to achieve this accomplishment. I say this mainly because his team needs him to score 25+ every night in order for his team to win. The 50% shooting is the only thing that will be tough for Dirk to accomplish.

[YouCallILose]

Did you know that they also track 3pt FG%?

player 1 shoots 100% from 3 but only takes 2 a season

player b shoots 40% from 3 taking 2 a game
:confusedshrug:

[AirGauge23]

Rudy Gay.

Seriously. Him and Dirk.

[Sarcastic]

player 1 shoots 100% from 3 but only takes 2 a season

player b shoots 40% from 3 taking 2 a game
:confusedshrug:

Player 1 doesn't qualify for 3pt FG% leader, just the same way the guy who gets 2 hits in 2 at bats in baseball does not qualify for the batting title.

That's why you need to consider volume of shots.

[sjd1991]

FG% >>>>>>>>>>>>> TS%


Love to hear explanation

[Sarcastic]

Love to hear explanation

The explanation is that Durant has a great TS%, and this helps boost him up.

[Jon101]

MJ never did it? Then it's a worthless stat.

[ShaqAttack3234]

Joke thread, FG% is a garbage stat

You're an idiot, TS% is a useful stat(just about the only useful advanced stat I can think of), but ignoring FG% is asinine, though you have a clear agenda so I know why you do it.

We've been over this?./ A missed free throw isn't as damaging as a missed field goal because your defense can still set up, however, many more transition opportunities occur off of missed field goals.

Players with high FG% are also players you can rely on more for consistently good performances over more streaky scorers.

FG% is far from a garbage stat and this is all besides the point. Nobody asked you for your opinion on this stat.


MJ never did it? Then it's a worthless stat.

Jordan did it many times, but this thread only listed players who did it in the 00's. A lot more players did it in the 80's and 90's.

[Sarcastic]

MJ never did it? Then it's a worthless stat.

He did it 6 times.

[Sarcastic]

Just looking at some of the other people who did. Shaq(10) did it more times than Wilt Chamberlain(6). Surprising.

[YouCallILose]

You're an idiot, TS% is a useful stat(just about the only useful advanced stat I can think of), but ignoring FG% is asinine, though you have a clear agenda so I know why you do it.

We've been over this?./ A missed free throw isn't as damaging as a missed field goal because your defense can still set up, however, many more transition opportunities occur off of missed field goals.

Players with high FG% are also players you can rely on more for consistently good performances over more streaky scorers.

FG% is far from a garbage stat and this is all besides the point. Nobody asked you for your opinion on this stat.



Jordan did it many times, but this thread only listed players who did it in the 00's. A lot more players did it in the 80's and 90's.

Use eFG% tard boy

How can you ignore free throws which is roughly 20% of the game? :roll:

[donald_trump]

Use eFG% tard boy

How can you ignore free throws which is roughly 20% of the game? :roll:

how can you ignore the ones durant gets which are roughly 50% bullshit? :roll:

[YouCallILose]

how can you ignore the ones durant gets which are roughly 50% bullshit? :roll:

do they count as points?

i guess 3rd year durant was getting more calls than prime kobe & lebron :lol

[SinJackal]

Use eFG% tard boy

How can you ignore free throws which is roughly 20% of the game? :roll:

Even with eFG%, that doesn't account for all the bricks and changes of possession a player with low FG% causes even though he's getting extra points from threes.

They are deceptive stats that only tell one part of the story. TS% also doesn't account for And1's. It's just a basic formula that doesn't accurately depict a player's actual efficiancy at scoring. Which is why it's a broken stat.

If you really didn't already know that, you should seriously stop trying to debate with people like that's some incredible tell-all stat. Because it isn't.

If you really do want to go that route, simply go look up who the league leaders have been for TS% year after year. Hell, even just look up perimeter players if you think the big men who lead the league in TS% every year are bogus. You'll see that guys like Ginobili and Allen typically always score more efficiantly than the Kobes and Durants. Does that mean they're better scorers to you than the Kobes and Durants? :confusedshrug:



do they count as points?

i guess 3rd year durant was getting more calls than prime kobe & lebron :lol

3rd year Durant was getting more calls than prime MJ too. If you factor the difference in FGAs, and not just look at the FTAs, you can see Durant was getting more FTAs per FGA than even MJ was. . .in ANY season of your choice. Awkward.

[YouCallILose]

Even with eFG%, that doesn't account for all the bricks and changes of possession a player with low FG% causes even though he's getting extra points from threes.

They are deceptive stats that only tell one part of the story. TS% also doesn't account for And1's. It's just a basic formula that doesn't accurately depict a player's actual efficiancy at scoring. Which is why it's a broken stat.

If you really didn't already know that, you should seriously stop trying to debate with people like that's some incredible tell-all stat. Because it isn't.

If you really do want to go that route, simply go look up who the league leaders have been for TS% year after year. Hell, even just look up perimeter players if you think the big men who lead the league in TS% every year are bogus. You'll see that guys like Ginobili and Allen typically always score more efficiantly than the Kobes and Durants. Does that mean they're better scorers to you than the Kobes and Durants? :confusedshrug:


Durant just became the 1st person in 20 years to average 30 a game with a TS>60%..what are you talking about?

[SinJackal]

Durant just became the 1st person in 20 years to average 30 a game with a TS>60%..what are you talking about?

Only season over .600.

He's .570% career.

Ginobili's had a higher TS% than him every season besides last season, and last season Durant's was barely higher anyway. Barely higher than one of Manu's lowest TS% season's of his career.

Manu's also had 3 seasons with a higher TS% than Durant had last season. Ray Allen's had two higher than that. Durant also had barely better TS% than Allen last year too, and lower than him every other year besides that.

So yes, my point stands. Players like Manu and Allen typically have higher TS%'s than those players like the Kobes and Durants. Pointing out one season where that wasn't the case doesn't debunk the statement that Many and Ray typically have higher TS%'s. Typically doesn't mean "always", it means "usually".

Ray Allen career TS%: .576 (.581 this year so far)

Durant career TS%: .570 (.516 this year so far)

Ginobili career TS%: .590 (.602 this year so far)

Kobe career TS: .557 (.578 this year so far)


Both Allen and Manu have higher career TS% than both players, and have a higher TS% than both players this year again. Kobe with the nice TS% though, keeping close with Ray. So props to him for the efficiant year so far.

[BlueandGold]

The explanation is that Durant has a great TS%, and this helps boost him up.

Oh great another retard who can only say things like

Shaq >>> Duncan

or FG%>>>TS%%

without saving a word to back it up because they know they won't have to defend themselves.

[New York Knicks]

Paul Millsap!

[Fatal9]

You'll see that guys like Ginobili and Allen typically always score more efficiantly than the Kobes and Durants. Does that mean they're better scorers to you than the Kobes and Durants?
Not sure if you're actually so dumb that you don't realize or consider the higher volume that guys like Kobe, Durant, Wade etc score on compared to guys like Ginobili and Allen (and other stuff like facing more defensive attention every night).

[New York Knicks]

Not sure if you're actually so dumb that you don't realize or consider the higher volume that guys like Kobe, Durant, Wade etc score on compared to guys like Ginobili and Allen (and other stuff like facing more defensive attention every night).
LeBron James averaged just under 30 on 50% shooting (despite taking a large number of threes) last season. And he probably had more defensive attention on him than anyone in the league, definitely more than Kobe and Durant. Is LeBron a better scorer than those two?

[Fatal9]

LeBron James averaged just under 30 on 50% shooting (despite taking a large number of threes) last season. And he probably had more defensive attention on him than anyone in the league, definitely more than Kobe and Durant. Is LeBron a better scorer than those two?
LeBron was the best scorer in the league to me last season so yes (in a setting where he is very ball dominant though). Durant drops the most effortless 30 I might have ever seen though. Guy will have what seems like a horrific game but still end up with 30 somehow.

[ShaqAttack3234]

In the 90's, far more players did it like the following players.

Karl Malone- 8 times('90-'93, '95-'98)
Shaq- 6 times('94-'99)
Hakeem Olajuwon- 4 times('90-'93)
David Robinson- 4 times('91, '94-'96)
Chris Mullin- 4 times('90-'93)
Michael Jordan- 3 times('90-'92)
Charles Barkley- 3 times('90, '91, '93)
Patrick Ewing- 2 times('90, '91)
Tom Chambers- 1 time('90)






Use eFG% tard boy

How can you ignore free throws which is roughly 20% of the game? :roll:

Tard boy? :roll:

And I do use eFG% occasionally. All of them are useful stats that don't tell the whole story.

And again, I don't use eFG% as the only measure of efficiency because it 's a stat that can reward volume scorers too much in comparison to consistent scorers.

And who said I ignore free throws? I never said FG% is the only good measure of efficiency, just one good one while TS% is another.

[ILLsmak]

Here's an interesting thing to think about when you say it takes 3 2s to = 2 3s. And the whole 60/40% thing.

In an environment where all things are equal, more missed shots is still worse. Even if when you do make it, it's a 3, that doesn't discount that you are missing 1 more time for every 5 shots. That's giving the other team an extra possibly fast-break/non defense set possession. If they somehow score on it, then that's 2 or 3 less points you are getting, logically.

And that's without accounting for free throws, foul trouble, rebounding, or the fact that when you need a score 60% is better than 40%.

-Smak

[Sarcastic]

Oh great another retard who can only say things like

Shaq >>> Duncan

or FG%>>>TS%%

without saving a word to back it up because they know they won't have to defend themselves.


Here you want a reason why Shaq > Duncan?

He has scored 25+ on 50% shooting 10 times, while Duncan has only done it once.

[ILLsmak]

Here you want a reason why Shaq > Duncan?

He has scored 25+ on 50% shooting 10 times, while Duncan has only done it once.

lol yeah a statement like Shaq > Duncan shouldn't need an explanation.

-Smak

[sh0wtime]

I think Wade could do it aswell, maybe this season.

[sh0wtime]

LeBron was the best scorer in the league to me last season so yes (in a setting where he is very ball dominant though). Durant drops the most effortless 30 I might have ever seen though. Guy will have what seems like a horrific game but still end up with 30 somehow.

I thought that to until i figured out why... and that is ridicilous amount of freethrows with about 90% accuracy, its a nasty combination and he knows perfectly how to take advantage of it, he can probably average up to 15 ppg with 0 FG attempts. :D

[creepingdeath]

Dirk has a very good shot this year, his shooting form looked great so far.

[ShaqAttack3234]

It's amazing how common 25+ on 50+% shooting was in the 80's.

George Gervin- 2 times('80, '82)
Adrian Dantley- 7 times('80-'86)
Julius Erving- 1 time('80)
Moses Malone- 3 times('80-'82)
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar- 1 time('81)
David Thompson- 1 time('81)
Alex English- 6 times('82-'87)
Kiki Vandeweghe- 3 times('83, '84, '87)
Mark Aguirre- 2 times('84, '85)
Bernard Kings- 2 times('84, '85)
Larry Bird- 3 times('85, '87, '88)
Michael Jordan- 3 times('85, '88, '89)
Kevin McHale- 1 time('87)
Dale Ellis- 2 times('88, '89)
Charles Barkley- 2 times('88, '89)
Karl Malone- 2 times('88, '89)
Clyde Drexler- 1 time('88)
Chris Mullin- 1 time('89)

It's amazing how many perimeter players did it. Of course, te combination of a faster pace(and weaker defense as a result) as well as less 3s and more perimeter players posting up and shooting mid-range jumpers is why.

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

It's amazing how common 25+ on 50+% shooting was in the 80's.

George Gervin- 2 times('80, '82)
Adrian Dantley- 7 times('80-'86)
Julius Erving- 1 time('80)
Moses Malone- 3 times('80-'82)
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar- 1 time('81)
David Thompson- 1 time('81)
Alex English- 6 times('82-'87)
Kiki Vandeweghe- 3 times('83, '84, '87)
Mark Aguirre- 2 times('84, '85)
Bernard Kings- 2 times('84, '85)
Larry Bird- 3 times('85, '87, '88)
Michael Jordan- 3 times('85, '88, '89)
Kevin McHale- 1 time('87)
Dale Ellis- 2 times('88, '89)
Charles Barkley- 2 times('88, '89)
Karl Malone- 2 times('88, '89)
Clyde Drexler- 1 time('88)
Chris Mullin- 1 time('89)

It's amazing how many perimeter players did it. Of course, te combination of a faster pace(and weaker defense as a result) as well as less 3s and more perimeter players posting up and shooting mid-range jumpers is why.

Yeah i think that was the reason why.

[chazzy]

It's amazing how common 25+ on 50+% shooting was in the 80's.

George Gervin- 2 times('80, '82)
Adrian Dantley- 7 times('80-'86)
Julius Erving- 1 time('80)
Moses Malone- 3 times('80-'82)
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar- 1 time('81)
David Thompson- 1 time('81)
Alex English- 6 times('82-'87)
Kiki Vandeweghe- 3 times('83, '84, '87)
Mark Aguirre- 2 times('84, '85)
Bernard Kings- 2 times('84, '85)
Larry Bird- 3 times('85, '87, '88)
Michael Jordan- 3 times('85, '88, '89)
Kevin McHale- 1 time('87)
Dale Ellis- 2 times('88, '89)
Charles Barkley- 2 times('88, '89)
Karl Malone- 2 times('88, '89)
Clyde Drexler- 1 time('88)
Chris Mullin- 1 time('89)

It's amazing how many perimeter players did it. Of course, te combination of a faster pace(and weaker defense as a result) as well as less 3s and more perimeter players posting up and shooting mid-range jumpers is why.

Yeah it's impressive, especially from lesser known players you wouldn't expect to accomplish this. Do you know if the TS%s were similar to current TS%? And if FTA were higher/lower? Because with more possessions, there's more chances to go to the line, but there weren't nearly as many ticky tack fouls called as there are now.

[Micku]

It's amazing how common 25+ on 50+% shooting was in the 80's.

George Gervin- 2 times('80, '82)
Adrian Dantley- 7 times('80-'86)
Julius Erving- 1 time('80)
Moses Malone- 3 times('80-'82)
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar- 1 time('81)
David Thompson- 1 time('81)
Alex English- 6 times('82-'87)
Kiki Vandeweghe- 3 times('83, '84, '87)
Mark Aguirre- 2 times('84, '85)
Bernard Kings- 2 times('84, '85)
Larry Bird- 3 times('85, '87, '88)
Michael Jordan- 3 times('85, '88, '89)
Kevin McHale- 1 time('87)
Dale Ellis- 2 times('88, '89)
Charles Barkley- 2 times('88, '89)
Karl Malone- 2 times('88, '89)
Clyde Drexler- 1 time('88)
Chris Mullin- 1 time('89)
.


Most efficient player eva lol.



But yeah, 2010s need more big guys and better shot selection. We're getting there though! We have epic guards we may get some promising big guys later.

[Samvt]

Wade. 26 ppg / 4 ast/ 6 rpg/ 51% 2stl. 1.5 blk.

[ShaqAttack3234]

Amare is currently at 26.2 ppg on 50.7%. :rockon: And Wade is close at 25.2 ppg on 49.7%. I think that both of them will do it. Lebron isn't that far off either at 26.2 ppg on 48.5%. He's shooting 56% in February and since December started, he's shooting over 50%.

But Amare may be the most underrated scorer in the league. When you hear people list the best scorers in the league, he's rarely mentioned and I don't know why. He's a matchup nightmare for other big men. He can outrun most of them, he'll hit jumpers consistently if you back off him, or he'll put the ball on the floor if you get too close which is why he gets to the line a lot, and he's a very good free throw shooter for his position.

[Irish]

Blake Griffin is scoring around 23 ppg on 51%. One to look out for in the following seasons.

[creepingdeath]

Dirk was a lock before his injuries. :( Anyway, I think both Stat and Wade will do it this season.

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

Dirk was a lock before his injuries. :( Anyway, I think both Stat and Wade will do it this season.

Lebron as well

[poster]

wade should do it

[Eat Like A Bosh]

I think this season, the most likely candidate is Dirk Nowizki.
Dirk is already on pace to that, he's shooting a career high 52% from the field, the only reason his PPG is down is because he is taking that many shots. If he gets more aggressive, than I think he can do it.

Amare Stoudemire is actually doing it right now!

Dwyane Wade deserves a mention. He's not shot above 50%, but he's come close, at 48% and 49%. He has a shot too. He doesn't rely on his 3 point shot in early years, and gets to the rim a lot. In fact, more than 75% of his points come from attacking the rim and free throws.


This feat is much harder to achieve for Perimeter players. Prime Shaq and Prime Stoudemire were both high scoring big man. I think that Kobe, Melo, Durant, CP3, Howard are not going to be able to do this.

[ShaqAttack3234]

Blake Griffin is scoring around 23 ppg on 51%. One to look out for in the following seasons.

Barring injuries, I couldn't imagine him not doing it in the future.


I think this season, the most likely candidate is Dirk Nowizki.
Dirk is already on pace to that, he's shooting a career high 52% from the field, the only reason his PPG is down is because he is taking that many shots. If he gets more aggressive, than I think he can do it.

Amare Stoudemire is actually doing it right now!

Dwyane Wade deserves a mention. He's not shot above 50%, but he's come close, at 48% and 49%. He has a shot too. He doesn't rely on his 3 point shot in early years, and gets to the rim a lot. In fact, more than 75% of his points come from attacking the rim and free throws.


This feat is much harder to achieve for Perimeter players. Prime Shaq and Prime Stoudemire were both high scoring big man. I think that Kobe, Melo, Durant, CP3, Howard are not going to be able to do this.

Unfortunately, Dirk's scoring average is probably too low at 22.7 ppg. He could have his second 50/40/90 shooting season, though. He'd have to average around 29 points over the final 29 games to get to 25.

Dwight actually has a shot of doing it in future, his offensive game has improved greatly and at 25, he's still probably a few years away from his peak. He's at 22.5 this season, but his scoring average and minutes have gone up a lot lately. I use to think he'd peak around 23 ppg, but he's basically at that now and there's still room for more improvement and if he ever plays around 40 mpg in a season, he could certainly get to 25.

Durant could do it if he shot less than 3s. Melo could as well if he was focused and healthy for an entire season.

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

Did you know that they also track 3pt FG%?

Your name suits you well

[jrong]

Wade has the best shot. He's currently at 25.2 ppg and 49.7%. Dirk's scoring is too far off and LeBron would have to raise his FG%.

[YouCallILose]

LeBron & Durant both shoot 52% from 2 so both of them would be well over 50% if they didn't shoot 3's

[jrong]

LeBron & Durant both shoot 52% from 2 so both of them would be well over 50% if they didn't shoot 3's

Ok?

Thanks, but that's not that's not the question this thread is asking.

[ShaqAttack3234]

Wade has the best shot. He's currently at 25.2 ppg and 49.7%. Dirk's scoring is too far off and LeBron would have to raise his FG%.

Wow, less than 2 months later, Lebron is a virtual lock at 26.6 ppg on 50.8% shooting and Wade is also at 25.8 ppg on 50%. Amare is also still at 25.5 ppg on 50.5%.

[KG5MVP]

Jordan did it 6 times, Jordan also scored 30+/50+% 5 times, unheard of.

You never see kobe on lists like this

[Grim]

layups and dunks will get u this.


lol, this figure would be impressive if it were JUMP SHOOTING.

[asdf1990]

layups and dunks will get u this.


lol, this figure would be impressive if it were JUMP SHOOTING.

funny 72% of lebrons shots are jumpers, so it is impressive.

[donald_trump]

layups and dunks will get u this.


lol, this figure would be impressive if it were JUMP SHOOTING.

being able to get a majority of your 25+ ppg off layups and dunks isnt impressive? far more impressive than doing it jump shooting.

[Christofire]

MJ did it 6 times, and few times he was very close

James > Jordan

[Ikill]

Wade and Lebron are going to be this at least 3 more years if not more

[ShaqAttack3234]

Wade and Lebron are going to be this at least 3 more years if not more

Wade will be 32 then and he's barely doing it now. I think the big 3 could be better next year than this year though because they've had a year to adjust and seem to have found out how to keep Bosh involved and still play their games.

[Ikill]

I wouldn't be surprised if Wade and Lebron both average over 27 points a game next year.

[Ikill]

Wade will be 32 then and he's barely doing it now. I think the big 3 could be better next year than this year though because they've had a year to adjust and seem to have found out how to keep Bosh involved and still play their games.
Yeah but this year he had to adjust playing with Lebron and there was that whole custody shit going on. Age isn't really that big of a concern

[Burgz]

maybe not this year, but i think blake griffin has a chance to do so for sure

[Ikill]

maybe not this year, but i think blake griffin has a chance to do so for sure
Yeah dude will be unstoppable when he adds the jumper and post game.

[ShaqAttack3234]

Dwight could actually do it within the next few years. He's at 23.1 this year, but he's scored more since Gortat was traded. Plus at 25, he could probably still improve over the next few years.

[pauk]

lebron will fix that for the rest of his career.... nobody else will be able to do it... to many shotjackers in todays era and there is no big man that is that productive scoring wise... maybe wade can do it to considering he drives 24/7...

[alenleomessi]

Blake will do it next year, he will probably do it till he makes 30 years

[asdf1990]

Lebron might be able to do 25+ppg on 52%-55% next year if he doesn't start off with a slump next season.

[HorryIsMyMVP]

MJ had a year of scoring 33.6 ppg while shooting 53%, 37% from 3 and 84% free throws. That shit is so overrated.

[Human Error]

Since the start of the 00's, this feat has been accomplished by only 5 players who qualified for the scoring title

Shaq- 4 times('00-'03)
Karl Malone- 1 time('00)
Tim Duncan- 1 time('02)
Amare Stoudemire- 2 times('05, '08)
Lebron- 1 time('10)

Yao also did it in '07, but he only played 48 games.

It's a rare feat these days because we don't have that many high scoring big men, or many high scoring perimeter players who don't take a lot of 3s or are so unstoppable going to the basket like Lebron(shot 56% on 2 point shots in '10) that even a high number of 3s doesn't prevent him from accomplishing this.

I think Wade could do it this year, he's at 26 ppg on 49.3% shooting now after tonight's game and excluding the first game of the season, he's averaged 27.9 ppg on 52.5% shooting.

Wade has also come very close before. He averaged 27.2 ppg on 49.5% shooting in '06, 27.4 ppg on 49.1% shooting in an injury-plagued 2007 season and 30.2 ppg on 49.1% shooting in '09.

Dirk also has a chance. He's averaging 25.7 ppg on 57.7% shooting right now and while he won't shoot that high for the season, 50% isn't out of the question. Dirk came very close when he shot 50.2% and averaged 24.6 ppg in '07.

Melo entered tonight's game averaging 25.7 on 51.1% shooting, but after a blowout loss, he dropped to 24.1 ppg on 49.3% shooting. But he did average 25.7 ppg on 49.2% shooting in the '08 season so he could do it.

Monta Ellis is currently at 27.9 ppg on 52.1% shooting, but because he hasn't come close to both in the same season, I wouldn't call him a likely candidate to do it yet.

Wade is primarily a mid-range shooter and a guy who attacks the basket as well as a guy who can score 25 in his sleep. Nowitzki is pretty much a mid-range player as well and so is Melo who also gets high percentage shots from his post game. Those 3 are the best bets, IMO.

Who do you think has the best chance of averaging 25+ on 50+% shooting this year?
Why the hate on LeBron? 27 ppg on 50.8% shooting as of today.

[Sarcastic]

Looks as if Lebron, Wade, and Amar'e will all do it this year.

[Colby Brian]

perimeter players take perimeter shots, like 3s and long 2s (tough, lower %)

post players take shots in the post (dunks, layups, shots >10 feet, high %)

fg% is based on your position and type of game

look at this http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/field-goals/sort/fieldGoalPct/year/2011/seasontype/2

Ray Allen is a career .452 % shooter, never shot 50% or better http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/allenra02.html

point proved

[Heat007]

I see LeBron holding the fort with this one for the foreseeable future.

He greatly improved his midrange game and is shooting 44% from 10-15 feet this year. Compare it to 32% last year from that distance and 25% from there the year before.

He's also shooting 43% from 16-23 feet. By comparison Kobe is shooting 38% from that distance this year, as is Wade.

With that said it looks like both Wade and Lebron will hit that 50% plateau this season at over 25ppg. Wade is 2nd in the NBA since the all star break at points per game with 26.9, with no signs of slowing down, with LeBron first since the break and a sparkling 64TS% since the break.

[SinJackal]

MJ never did it? Then it's a worthless stat.

:facepalm

Jordan averaged roughly 31 points on 51% shooting as a Bull. He basically did it for his entire career, until he dropped his career FG% .003% below .500% by playing that last couple years with the Wizards.



Not sure if you're actually so dumb that you don't realize or consider the higher volume that guys like Kobe, Durant, Wade etc score on compared to guys like Ginobili and Allen (and other stuff like facing more defensive attention every night).

Not sure if you're actually so dumb as to think I wasn't pointing out that the lower volume guys are more efficient than the higher volume guys, and that was my example as to why TS% was not a perfect tell-all stat. . .the entire point of my post. Oh wait, you were just that dumb. Of course, you always get your Kobe homer panties in a twist whenever someone speaks of Kobe without verbally blowing him.

[ShaqAttack3234]

MJ had a year of scoring 33.6 ppg while shooting 53%, 37% from 3 and 84% free throws. That shit is so overrated.

34 ppg on 53/38/85 is insane, but that's the only year that he made more than 1 three per game and shot 50% from the field. 3s are a big reason why more high scoring perimeter players don't shoot 50% these days.

1990 Jordan was incredible, though. I've posted about his play that season numerous times. The only other versions of MJ that compare are '91 and '92.


Why the hate on LeBron? 27 ppg on 50.8% shooting as of today.

No hate, his FG% was just really low at the time of the thread. I'm surprised he's raised it this much.

BTW, do you think a Dokken reunion with Lynch and Pilson will happen? There's been a lot of talk the past few years and both Jeff and George apparently wanted it to happen. Either way their last album was great, their best since Back For The Attack.

[chris02jammers]

LeBron will do it again this year and hopefull D Wade as well

[STATUTORY]

FG% is a misleading statistics

[asdf1990]

FG% is a misleading statistics

Cuz u can't use it to push kobe agenda?

[Javat_90]

Right now, Lebron and Wade are a lock for this achievement.

Quite impressive, considering this type of stuff is usually done by big men, rarely by perimeter players.

Curious thing for me is, even if Miami Heat have continuedly lost against the top-caliber teams of the league, usually Lebron and Wade kept playing great and having great efficiency numbers in those games. Most of them at least.

Its a matter of not making the got-damn last shot.

[ballerz]

larry bird did it four times.

[Grim]

being able to get a majority of your 25+ ppg off layups and dunks isnt impressive? far more impressive than doing it jump shooting.
everyone in the league can layup or dunk. not everyone can jump shoot.

[KevinNYC]

BTW, do you think a Dokken reunion with Lynch and Pilson will happen? There's been a lot of talk the past few years and both Jeff and George apparently wanted it to happen. Either way their last album was great, their best since Back For The Attack.


Have you read Fargo, Rock City (http://www.amazon.com/Fargo-Rock-City-Odyssey-Dakota/dp/0743406567)? Wait, hold on. Did you write Fargo Rock City?

[HorryIsMyMVP]

So now we are comparing D. Rose to Ray Allen? 3 pt chucking beast from the East? This is why 3 pt% is a stat like it's been said before in this thread. D Rose is a mediocre at best 3 point shooter. This is his best year and he shoots 33% which is 7% under Ray Allen's career average. Rose's 3 point percent is inflated this year because team's give it to him because last 2 years he averages 24% beyond the arc. It will go back down with people respecting his outside game. Rose is an inside scorer and mid range player. He is ball hog version of Steve Nash in his prime without a consistent jumper.

[ShaqAttack3234]

3 players ended up doing it.

1.Lebron- 26.7 ppg, 51 FG%
2.Wade- 25.5 ppg, 50 FG%
3.Amare- 25.3 ppg, 50.2 FG%

Think anyone else will next season?

[-23-]

3 players ended up doing it.

1.Lebron- 26.7 ppg, 51 FG%
2.Wade- 25.5 ppg, 50 FG%
3.Amare- 25.3 ppg, 50.2 FG%

Think anyone else will next season?

Blake Griffin.

[Heat007]

It's easier for PF's and Centers to do it because of where they live on the basketball court, so naturally higher FG percentages is the norm for them.

But what wade and lebron did together is remarkable. Wade has one of the most ball dominant players ever on his team and still manufactured last year's averages.. not many players can do that.

Also consider that Wade was mediocre for his standards in the first 5 to 6 weeks of the season because he missed the entire preseason and had lingering effects of the injury to start the season.

He's a 70% at the rack guy but was only 55% from that area in the first 2 months. And he only averaged around 20ppg in the first month+.

But since then he's back to his 70+% clip at the rim over the past 4 months. If Wade started the season healthy his point totals, average, and FG% would be much better than it is now.

Still a remarkable season.

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

3 players ended up doing it.

1.Lebron- 26.7 ppg, 51 FG%
2.Wade- 25.5 ppg, 50 FG%
3.Amare- 25.3 ppg, 50.2 FG%

Think anyone else will next season?

KD
Beasley
Blake

:confusedshrug:

[OldSchoolBBall]

But what wade and lebron did together is remarkable. Wade has one of the most ball dominant players ever on his team and still manufactured last year's averages.. not many players can do that.

I don't think it's that remarkable considering that each has done 25+/~50% FG individually in previous seasons. What's somewhat impressive is the ppg volume (i.e., that they're both at 25+ ppg). Honestly, their FG%'s should actually be higher than what they are (lebron 52+% and Wade 51%+). No reason they shouldn't have seen a significant bump in efficiency with the other one (and Bosh) there to alleviate defensive pressure. The reason this didn't happen is likely due to their overlapping styles/skill-sets.

[Hoopz2332]

There are only 4 players in the NBA capable of avg 25+ on 50FG% shooting and they are..

Lebron
Wade
Dirk
Amare


...Wade and Lebron's is even more impressive based on the fact that they're perimeter players.

[Papaya Petee]

There are only 4 players in the NBA capable of avg 25+ on 50FG% shooting and they are..

Lebron
Wade
Dirk
Amare


...Wade and Lebron's is even more impressive based on the fact that they're perimeter players.

So is Dirk tho. And Amare loves to take jumpers.

[ShaqAttack3234]

I don't think it's that remarkable considering that each has done 25+/~50% FG individually in previous seasons. What's somewhat impressive is the ppg volume (i.e., that they're both at 25+ ppg). Honestly, their FG%'s should actually be higher than what they are (lebron 52+% and Wade 51%+). No reason they shouldn't have seen a significant bump in efficiency with the other one (and Bosh) there to alleviate defensive pressure. The reason this didn't happen is likely due to their overlapping styles/skill-sets.

Part of it was the adjustment, Lebron shot like shit in /OctoberNovember, but was unbelievable from December on. Hell, in the second half of the season, he averaged 28 ppg on 56% shooting.

[High Roller]

3 players ended up doing it.

1.Lebron- 26.7 ppg, 51 FG%
2.Wade- 25.5 ppg, 50 FG%
3.Amare- 25.3 ppg, 50.2 FG%

Think anyone else will next season?

How many times in history have 2 players on a team achieved this?

If their offensive game's expand (well, even further for Dwight) by next season, both Blake Griffin and Dwight Howard could take legitimate shots at this.

[High Roller]

3 players ended up doing it.

1.Lebron- 26.7 ppg, 51 FG%
2.Wade- 25.5 ppg, 50 FG%
3.Amare- 25.3 ppg, 50.2 FG%

Think anyone else will next season?

How many times in history have 2 players on a team achieved this?

If their offensive game's expand (well, even further for Dwight) by next season, both Blake Griffin and Dwight Howard could take legitimate shots at this.

[Heat007]

How many times in history have 2 players on a team achieved this?

If their offensive game's expand (well, even further for Dwight) by next season, both Blake Griffin and Dwight Howard could take legitimate shots at this.

well it's been achieved a few times if you add all players - if you include centers and PF's as they naturally have higher percentages living closer to the rim

but as far as the back 3 (SF's and guards), the last time two players had over 25ppg on 50% shooting was english and kiki on denver in 1983

[Holy Random]

How many times in history have 2 players on a team achieved this?

If their offensive game's expand (well, even further for Dwight) by next season, both Blake Griffin and Dwight Howard could take legitimate shots at this.

Found one, I'll keep searching out of curiousity: http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/BOS/1987.html

[Human Error]

BTW, do you think a Dokken reunion with Lynch and Pilson will happen? There's been a lot of talk the past few years and both Jeff and George apparently wanted it to happen. Either way their last album was great, their best since Back For The Attack.
I think so. I can see it happening in later next year. Lynch is pushing hard to make it happen and once Don and George come to terms, I can see Jeff jump on it. As a fan I would like to see them make a final run with all original members for nostalgia's sake but I think it is unfair to Jon Levin who at this point is a much better guitar player than Lynch. Jon Levin has been carrying the band with his playing onstage when Don could not sing well and he was a major contributor in studio with his songwriting as well.

And what do you think of DIO'S DISCIPLES?

[ShaqAttack3234]

I think so. I can see it happening in later next year. Lynch is pushing hard to make it and once Don and George come to term, I can see Jeff jump on it. As a fan I would like to see them make a final run with all original members for nostalgia's sake but I think it is unfair to Jon Levin who at this point a much better guitar player than Lynch. Jon Levin has been carrying the band with his playing onstage when Don could not sing well and he was a major contributor in studio with his songwriting as well.

And what do you think of DIO'S DISCIPLES?

I heard that Don had surgery on his voice so who knows? That was the one thing missing from Lightning Strikes Again, imo, the album had their classic sound, but Don clearly lacking the ability to sing the same kind of melody lines and hit the high notes or sing with more power prevented it from matching their classic stuff. Levin really has nailed Lynch's sound too so it would be more about nostalgia than anything. The song Lightning Strikes is Again is a perfect example what they won't be able to match unless the vocal surgery was an incredible success. Overall, I was very happy with that album, though, their best since Back For The Attack(not counting Beast From The East which is one of my favorite live albums).

Don did say that he's talked about a reunion with the original lineup with Jon Levin and that Jon gave him his blessing, but also that he was happy with Levin and the current band and that the major thing preventing the reunion was musical differences with George.

And while George in his prime was one of my 5 favorite guitar players, he hasn't done anything great in almost 20 years. He was great on the first Lynch Mob album and there's some excellent playing on his '93 solo album, but since then, nothing he's done has interested me much. I heard that steroids affected his playing.

As far as Dio Desciples? Well, I'm cool with it, I like Ripper a lot, he's a great singer and I hung out with him after an Yngwie concert and he's a hell of a nice guy so I hope they're successful and keeping Ronnie's music alive is good, but the best Dio covers were done by Jorn Lande, and none of them match the original and because they're doing covers without experimenting much, I don't see much of a reason for me to listen to any of these Dio tribute things. I'd rather listen to the album Ripper put out with Yngwie in '08, the stuff he did with Iced Earth or Beyond Fear and I'd rather listen to Jorn's solo stuff or Masterplan than hear either of them covering Dio because they're great singers and have put out some good material and at least that's original, but neither of them or anyone I've heard for that matter is going to match Dio on Dio songs. To avoid rambling some more, the thought is good and it's a nice tribute, but aside from hearing a few songs and hearing how Ripper does, I wouldn't be interested in listening to the covers regularly.

I'm more excited about hearing the unreleased song Dio sang on that's on the next Rods album(scheduled for a May 24th release), the song that came out shortly after he died "Metal Will Never Die" was great so I'm looking forward to hearing this one and the other unreleased material I've heard of that he worked on with his own band.

[Round Mound]

Barkley shot 58.13% 2-Point FG at 21.6 PPG and twice or three times over 24 PPG and over 60-64% 2-Point FG%

[Human Error]

I heard that Don had surgery on his voice so who knows? That was the one thing missing from Lightning Strikes Again, imo, the album had their classic sound, but Don clearly lacking the ability to sing the same kind of melody lines and hit the high notes or sing with more power prevented it from matching their classic stuff. Levin really has nailed Lynch's sound too so it would be more about nostalgia than anything. The song Lightning Strikes is Again is a perfect example what they won't be able to match unless the vocal surgery was an incredible success. Overall, I was very happy with that album, though, their best since Back For The Attack(not counting Beast From The East which is one of my favorite live albums).

Don did say that he's talked about a reunion with the original lineup with Jon Levin and that Jon gave him his blessing, but also that he was happy with Levin and the current band and that the major thing preventing the reunion was musical differences with George.

And while George in his prime was one of my 5 favorite guitar players, he hasn't done anything great in almost 20 years. He was great on the first Lynch Mob album and there's some excellent playing on his '93 solo album, but since then, nothing he's done has interested me much. I heard that steroids affected his playing.

As far as Dio Desciples? Well, I'm cool with it, I like Ripper a lot, he's a great singer and I hung out with him after an Yngwie concert and he's a hell of a nice guy so I hope they're successful and keeping Ronnie's music alive is good, but the best Dio covers were done by Jorn Lande, and none of them match the original and because they're doing covers without experimenting much, I don't see much of a reason for me to listen to any of these Dio tribute things. I'd rather listen to the album Ripper put out with Yngwie in '08, the stuff he did with Iced Earth or Beyond Fear and I'd rather listen to Jorn's solo stuff or Masterplan than hear either of them covering Dio because they're great singers and have put out some good material and at least that's original, but neither of them or anyone I've heard for that matter is going to match Dio on Dio songs. To avoid rambling some more, the thought is good and it's a nice tribute, but aside from hearing a few songs and hearing how Ripper does, I wouldn't be interested in listening to the covers regularly.

I'm more excited about hearing the unreleased song Dio sang on that's on the next Rods album(scheduled for a May 24th release), the song that came out shortly after he died "Metal Will Never Die" was great so I'm looking forward to hearing this one and the other unreleased material I've heard of that he worked on with his own band.
Dokken started hitting the road in March and so far played a few shows, I checked a few reviews and some sugget that Don is making a vocal progress while others say that he's still struggling even with lowered keys. I would be happy if Don could regain his '2006 form when he still had some power and could hit occasional higher notes, I just don't expect him to be able to sing Lightning Strikes Again(the song, not the album) or Til The Living End. For Don to be able to sing on listenable metal album shouldn't be very hard with good rest and some studio magic, the problem is, they may suffer without Jon Levin in the songwriting department. Though Lynch and Pilson wrote some of the best 80s metal songs together back in the day they haven't released anything decent in the last 20 years. Lightning Strikes Again was a great album, definitely their best studio work since Back For The Attack.

As for Tim Owens I respect him as a singer but I don't see him as the right guy to fill in for Ronnie James Dio. His voice just doesn't fit, I agree that Jorn Lande is the best possible option and Steve Grimmett also would be a decent fit.

[Christofire]

LeBron James averaged just under 30 on 50% shooting (despite taking a large number of threes) last season. And he probably had more defensive attention on him than anyone in the league, definitely more than Kobe and Durant. Is LeBron a better scorer than those two?
What kind of crack are you smoking?.....


Fg% must be used contextually. I don't expect Kevin durant to ever shoot 50% given the fact that He's primarly a shooter. 45%-47% is excellent for him. Same goes for Bryant and Carmelo.

Slashers like LeBron and Wade 47-50% is where they should because they take more shots closer to the basket and/or at the basket. Generally slashers get more open Jumpers than shooters, because defenders don't want them getting to the cup. Hence the apparent imporvement in James shot. He won't make very many jumpshots in the post season because he won't be afforded very many open jumpers as he's been taking this season.


FG% is only garbage when you're trying to compare the FG% of a slasher to a shooter. Only an idiot would try to compare the FG% of Ray Allen to LeBron James, knowing that Ray allen almost never goes to the rim.

[Christofire]

I don't think it's that remarkable considering that each has done 25+/~50% FG individually in previous seasons. What's somewhat impressive is the ppg volume (i.e., that they're both at 25+ ppg). Honestly, their FG%'s should actually be higher than what they are (lebron 52+% and Wade 51%+). No reason they shouldn't have seen a significant bump in efficiency with the other one (and Bosh) there to alleviate defensive pressure. The reason this didn't happen is likely due to their overlapping styles/skill-sets.

I agree wholeheartedly with this. There increase in FG% has more to do with less defensive attention than anything else. They're simply getting easier looks at the Basket than they would have had they played alone. It's no coincidence that their FG% shot up thats what happens when you put 3 stars on the same team. Look at what KG and Allen did For Paul Pierce FG% it shot up about 4%, that's more remarkable than the 2 percent increase of Wade and James. Yeah they're getting less points, but the gains is in scoring efficiency due to the mere fact that they have an easier Job on Offense.

[Poochymama]

What kind of crack are you smoking?.....


Fg% must be used contextually. I don't expect Kevin durant to ever shoot 50% given the fact that He's primarly a shooter. 45%-47% is excellent for him. Same goes for Bryant and Carmelo.

Slashers like LeBron and Wade 47-50% is where they should because they take more shots closer to the basket and/or at the basket. Generally slashers get more open Jumpers than shooters, because defenders don't want them getting to the cup. Hence the apparent imporvement in James shot. He won't make very many jumpshots in the post season because he won't be afforded very many open jumpers as he's been taking this season.


FG% is only garbage when you're trying to compare the FG% of a slasher to a shooter. Only an idiot would try to compare the FG% of Ray Allen to LeBron James, knowing that Ray allen almost never goes to the rim.

FG% is somewhat useless to compare if you are trying to determine who the better shooter is, but if you are trying to determine who the better overall scorer is, it's very useful.

Kobe is no doubt the better shooter, but Lebron is the better scorer(at this point in their careers). Bottom line is, Lebron averaged 2 more ppg on 5% better efficiency while receiving just as much, if not more, defensive attention. A player should be taking the best shots that he is capable of at any given time to keep his fg% as high as possible, you shouldn't handicap a player(by disregarding his superior fg%) just because he is better at splitting the defense and getting to the rim than another player.

Player A is a better a better jump shooter than player B, but player B is a better slasher than player A. If both players shoot an identical FG%, and TS%, while scoring the same ppg, then it's pretty safe to assume that they are equal scorers. However, it would still be correct to say that player A is a better shooter, just like it would be correct to say player B is a better slasher. If player A shoots a higher fg% than player B, it means that player A's advantage in shooting ability is greater than his disadvantage in slashing ability, and thus he is a better overall scorer(Kobe vs Rose). But, if player B has a higher FG%/TS% it means that his advantage in slashing ability is greater than his disadvantage in shooting ability, and thus he is the better overall scorer(Lebron vs Kobe).

Here are the stats from last year

Lebron
29.7 ppg on 50% FG, 54% eFG, 59% TS

Kobe
27.0 ppg on 46% FG, 49% eFG, 54% TS

and the strange thing about that is, is that Lebron actually took more 3-threes than Kobe, yet he still managed to average more ppg on better overall efficiency.

[Poochymama]

I agree wholeheartedly with this. There increase in FG% has more to do with less defensive attention than anything else. They're simply getting easier looks at the Basket than they would have had they played alone. It's no coincidence that their FG% shot up thats what happens when you put 3 stars on the same team. Look at what KG and Allen did For Paul Pierce FG% it shot up about 4%, that's more remarkable than the 2 percent increase of Wade and James. Yeah they're getting less points, but the gains is in scoring efficiency due to the mere fact that they have an easier Job on Offense.

This is true, and IMO you're going to see their FG% go up even higher next season as they learn to abuse the lessened defensive attention even more.

[ShaqAttack3234]

Dokken started hitting the road in March and so far played a few shows, I checked a few reviews and some sugget that Don is making a vocal progress while others say that he's still struggling even with lowered keys. I would be happy if Don could regain his '2006 form when he still had some power and could hit occasional higher notes, I just don't expect him to be able to sing Lightning Strikes Again(the song, not the album) or Til The Living End. For Don to be able to sing on listenable metal album shouldn't be very hard with good rest and some studio magic, the problem is, they may suffer without Jon Levin in the songwriting department. Though Lynch and Pilson wrote some of the best 80s metal songs together back in the day they haven't released anything decent in the last 20 years. Lightning Strikes Again was a great album, definitely their best studio work since Back For The Attack.

As for Tim Owens I respect him as a singer but I don't see him as the right guy to fill in for Ronnie James Dio. His voice just doesn't fit, I agree that Jorn Lande is the best possible option and Steve Grimmett also would be a decent fit.

Yeah, I was definitely happy when I heard Lightning Strikes Again. Erase The Slate was good too, but I'm not a big fan of the other 2 post-Lynch albums, then again, I didn't really like Dysfunctional or Shadowlife either, I was surprised that Dysfunctional is Don's favorite.

My gut feeling is that a reunion will happen, there's enough interest and both Don and George are open to it, plus George joined them on stage a few years back.

One thing that's funny to me is these days Dokken is grouped in with a lot of bands who not only did they not sound like, but they weren't grouped in with in the 80's either. Don talked about this in an interview mentioning that in the 80's they always toured with bands like Judas Priest, Accept, Dio, ACDC, Van Halen and the Scorpions, not the LA bands. And they were definitely a notch above the LA bands in terms of musicianship, songwriting, their ability to perform 3 part vocal harmonies live and Tooth And Nail for example has a much more raw sound and is more aggressive than what the LA bands were putting out.

As far as guys covering Dio? Tony Martin did a very good job on the Sabbath stuff in the 80's, one of the best I've heard, also, Patrik Johannson of Astral Doors performed the entire Lock Up The Wolves album with Rowan Robertson recently, he'd be another good choice. Maybe someone like Jeff Scott Soto too? Great singer and on Yngwie's Marching Out album it seemed like he was asking him to imitate Dio at times.

Haven't heard Steve Grimmett outside of Grim Reaper's See You In Hell album, which I liked, but don't remember him being that similar to Dio.