ESPN: Wade hinting bitterness toward LeBron dominating the ball

[Noah Rose]

http://espn.go.com/nba/truehoop/miamiheat/

[quote]LeBron James' best game as a member of the Heat came at Dwyane Wade

[lilbeastnani]

Friends or not, it's obvious that they are struggling to co-exist.

[Samurai Swoosh]

Trouble brewing in paradise ...

[BallsOut]

and so it begins.

[Basketman]

WTF is he complaining about? He was playing like shit all last night

[Rose]

....Making something out of nothing>? maybe?

[TheLegend]

This team will not work unless someone can straighten them up.

You have to remember these new generation of players can not play without the ball. They need the ball to be successful.

They were alway stars of their teams and grew up with the ball in their hands. They cannot adapt to any other way of playing.

[Burgz]

....Making something out of nothing>? maybe?

that's definitely what it is

and the espn hype-machine continues to roll:rolleyes:

[oh the horror]

Regardless if people are making something out of nothing, or if this is all just nonsense.....the fact remains, there seems to be TOO MUCH chirping going on already within the ranks of this team. They're not even 10 games in, and already we've seen little off handed remarks here and there.

[gts]

they need to work this out if only for continuity for the rest of the team... if, (big if) there is actually something to be worked out, could very well be that wade's remarks were taken out of context

[50inchvertical]

Right Wade, they should have passed to your shooting 21%FG against the Celtics ass

[Samurai Swoosh]

Regardless if people are making something out of nothing, or if this is all just nonsense.....the fact remains, there seems to be TOO MUCH chirping going on already within the ranks of this team. They're not even 10 games in, and already we've seen little off handed remarks here and there.
:pimp:

Exac ..

[oh the horror]

could very well be that wade's remarks were taken out of context



Im willing to bet that is exactly what this is. These guys are going to get a crash course this season on how exactly to speak to the media. Because lets face it...unless you give the media absolutely nothing....they WILL try to make drama out of every little comment coming out of these guys mouths.

[ShannonElements]

This is like when kids see a shadow in their room at night and are convinced it's a monster, when really it's just a sweater draped over the back of a chair.

[StacksOnDeck]

Wade is just as stupid as Bron. You recruited him idiot. Two ball dominant guards = disaster.

[Samurai Swoosh]

This is like when kids see a shadow in their room at night and are convinced it's a monster, when really it's just a sweater draped over the back of a chair.
"Spiccccccy club sauce !!!"

[Quotable]

The Heat need a GOOD, CREATIVE coach that will design an offense where everyone can be involved. Maybe LeBron needs to slide inside and become more of an interior player, I don't know. Whatever they're doing now isn't working. They need to all be on the same page with a specific philosophy on offense. No ball dominant BS. You're not going to beat Kobe by doing your best Kobe imitation.

[BallsOut]

Lebron was in non-defer mentality against Wade. He's truly living up to his "I can't defer. I'm never in defer mentality." :lol

[jlip]

Another overreaction article and thread to anything Heat related. What Wade said was actually positive at best and neutral at worst.

[oh the horror]

The Heat need a GOOD, CREATIVE coach that will design an offense where everyone can be involved.




They do. Im finding it hard to imagine, given the talent on this team, that you literally cannot run MULTIPLE plays to cater to each talent that you have there. I mean there is literally a well of different plays that could be run for each of these players....

[chips93]

Wade is just as stupid as Bron. You recruited him idiot. Two ball dominant guards = disaster.


two ball dominant guards > jermaine o'neal as your second best player

sounds like you're stupider than lebron or wade




ahaha see what i did there ! ! !

[entropy35]

Coach spo did a good thing realizing that Wade was off and Lebron was playing better and thus giving the ball to lebron. Wade shouldn't be complaining ... actually was he even complaining? :lol

[Dasher]

They do. Im finding it hard to imagine, given the talent on this team, that you literally cannot run MULTIPLE plays to cater to each talent that you have there. I mean there is literally a well of different plays that could be run for each of these players....
I just don't think Spo is capable of implementing the needed system. His inability to properly incorporate Michael Beasley last year was a red flag for me. Dorrell Wright's flourishing in Golden State also points to the culture of The Heat not being conducive to getting the most out of their talent.

[niko]

I didn't see anything in that quote so bad. They should really wach their mouths a little more though, everything they say is going to be scrutinized yet they make sure to talk as much as possibly.

I think it's obvious more on the court they are unsure what to do. WHen one of them has the ball, and moreso Lebron, the other just stands and watches. if they are going to run the Lebron Iso and One offense, what is wade supposed to do?

[oh the horror]

Coach spo did a good thing realizing that Wade was off and Lebron was playing better and thus giving the ball to lebron. Wade shouldn't be complaining ... actually was he even complaining? :lol


Im not sure what he was doing, but saying that Lebron having the ball "limited you" offensively is kind of negative in its language. Wade had his chances during the game, and was playing horribly...so im not sure wtf he is talking about at all.

[praneel]

Bron is also taking Wade's free throws during technicals and defensive 3 sec's.

Against Boston Bron walked super fast to the FT line to shoot the tech when Boston got whistled for 3 in the key.

That was interesting to me, he didn't casually walk there like he used to do, he did a speed walk like first there gets to take the shot.

[praneel]

Im not sure what he was doing, but saying that Lebron having the ball "limited you" offensively is kind of negative in its language. Wade had his chances during the game, and was playing horribly...so im not sure wtf he is talking about at all.

It seems like both dudes are taking turns going isolation. This is the 2004 Washington Wizards offense with Gil and Hughes, except with Wade and Lebron. And Bosh is just catching and shooting as the 4man (a la Jamison), Bosh better start extending his range out to the 3 pt line, those are the only shots he will get.

[Fizdale]

I'm a big Wade homer, but cmon D....you sucked it up last night. Let it go.

And for the long run -- this team just needs Pat Riley in the locker room to iron out possible future issues/bitterness and to motivate them more. Plan and simple. Spoelstra doesn't have enough balls to consult Bron and Wade.

[oh the horror]

I just don't think Spo is capable of implementing the needed system. His inability to properly incorporate Michael Beasley last year was a red flag for me. Dorrell Wright's flourishing in Golden State also points to the culture of The Heat not being conducive to getting the most out of their talent.



Its more than obvious that their current coach just isnt going to last. You can see it, taste it, and feel it in the air there in Miami. Like another member said, they just need a veteran coach, that...not only demands respect....but....also just has the knowledge to utilize the talent he has. Spo just isnt capable of this, and we're seeing the crash and burn going on right now with Miami. A team with their talents should not be 5-4


The two losses to Boston I can deal with.


The loss to the fu*kin Hornets, and the complete meltdown to Utah? THAT is friggin ridiculous.


Props to Utah and New Orleans, but come on now.

[stephanieg]

The problem is that Wade, LeBron, and Bosh don't really know how to play basketball. Only NBA cancer mode iso ball. If they knew how to play as a team, or play real defense instead of relying on their athleticism they would be unstoppable.

[Dro]

....Making something out of nothing>? maybe?
This.....

[ILLsmak]

Its more than obvious that their current coach just isnt going to last. You can see it, taste it, and feel it in the air there in Miami. Like another member said, they just need a veteran coach, that...not only demands respect....but....also just has the knowledge to utilize the talent he has. Spo just isnt capable of this, and we're seeing the crash and burn going on right now with Miami. A team with their talents should not be 5-4


The two losses to Boston I can deal with.


The loss to the fu*kin Hornets, and the complete meltdown to Utah? THAT is friggin ridiculous.


Props to Utah and New Orleans, but come on now.

Yea, it's not about his system it's that they don't respect his system. In a perfect world where they were all buying into everything he said perfectly, you might realize he's actually a good coach.

-Smak

[hawke812]

....Making something out of nothing>? maybe?

This...again...

[niko]

There are two problems with Riley.
1) I don't think Bosh and Lebron signed up for boot camp Riley. Practices all the time, very few off days, etc. He's a hard ass. I am not sure they will enjoy it all that much. ANd enjoying this was part of waht they signed up for.
2) Riley will play them ridiculous minutes. He leaves his starters in forever. He did with NY and we were getting older, he did in MIami and they were old, he'll do it with his guys.

Neither is insurmountable nor do i mean to suggest it would not work. It's not automatic though as people will suggest.

It's bizarre watching them, i did not think MIami was a slam dunk title contender this year but I never though they might implode due to the personalities, but it doesn't seem impossible watching them out there. THat's so strange to me.

[JellyBean]

They still have 70 some odd games to go, they will figure it out.

[DetroitPistonFan]

This is gonna be Kobe Vs. Shaq part 2. LeBron has a lot in common with Shaq. Both love to dance, very big ego and only care about themselves.

[SinJackal]

I'm not sure why Wade would even be complaining when the Heat looked the best when LeBron and Haslem were tag teaming it. That carried them back into the game. Just like last time LBJ carried them back into the game against Boston in game 1 of the season.

LeBron's clearly their best player. Wade needs to stop getting upset when LeBron has a better game than him. Clearly Wade expected to have his stats be exactly the same and both LBJ and Bosh to have to play -around- his talents. Sadly for him, that shit ain't gonna get them a title. Last time the only reason it worked was because he had Shaq, Antoine Walker, Gary Payton, Alonzo Mourning, and others backing him. Not just 2 other stars. Can't expect two stars, one of which is better than him, to have to defer all their talents to work around him when that doesn't work against the good teams. Heat: 1-4 against good teams. Changes need to occur. Or Wade just needs to accept that he isn't always going to score 20+, and try hard during games he only gets 10-12 shots in.



Bron is also taking Wade's free throws during technicals and defensive 3 sec's.

Against Boston Bron walked super fast to the FT line to shoot the tech when Boston got whistled for 3 in the key.

That was interesting to me, he didn't casually walk there like he used to do, he did a speed walk like first there gets to take the shot.

Well Wade bricked some clutch FTAs late in the game against the Jazz, so it doesn't surprise me LeBron wants to take the FTs. Also, LeBron was shooting FTs at a 77% rate yesterday. Wade: 66%. This season so far: LeBron: 79%. Wade: 76%. Doesn't it make sense for the team's best FT shooter to take them?

LeBron's also been a better FT shooter than Wade each of the last two season too. Why would Wade be taking them, when he's statistically been worse lately?

They're not "Wade's free throws". They're the team's free throws. Wade's worse than LeBron at them, so LeBron takes them.

[For_Three]

that's definitely what it is

and the espn hype-machine continues to roll:rolleyes:

And it aint gonna stop baby. Never has, never will

[For_Three]

This is gonna be Kobe Vs. Shaq part 2. LeBron has a lot in common with Shaq. Both love to dance, very big ego and only care about themselves.


Don't ever compare Shaq the Lebron. Shaq's ego is very different from Lebron's. They don't have a thing in common.

[Jasper]

Wade will be waved any day now :blah

[Droid101]

Well Wade bricked some clutch FTAs late in the game against the Jazz, so it doesn't surprise me LeBron wants to take the FTs. Also, LeBron was shooting FTs at a 77% rate yesterday. Wade: 66%. This season so far: LeBron: 79%. Wade: 76%. Doesn't it make sense for the team's best FT shooter to take them?

LeBron's also been a better FT shooter than Wade each of the last two season too. Why would Wade be taking them, when he's statistically been worse lately?

James Jones FT this season: 100%
Eddie House FT this season: 89%
Chris Bosh: 79%

I'm all for the best guy on the floor taking them, but I don't think he was the best guy on the floor. I think he just wants to assert this as "his team."

Edit: I could be wrong, I don't know who was on the floor at the time.

[madmax]

I'm not sure why Wade would even be complaining when the Heat looked the best when LeBron and Haslem were tag teaming it. That carried them back into the game. Just like last time LBJ carried them back into the game against Boston in game 1 of the season.

LeBron's clearly their best player. Wade needs to stop getting upset when LeBron has a better game than him. Clearly Wade expected to have his stats be exactly the same and both LBJ and Bosh to have to play -around- his talents. Sadly for him, that shit ain't gonna get them a title. Last time the only reason it worked was because he had Shaq, Antoine Walker, Gary Payton, Alonzo Mourning, and others backing him. Not just 2 other stars. Can't expect two stars, one of which is better than him, to have to defer all their talents to work around him when that doesn't work against the good teams. Heat: 1-4 against good teams. Changes need to occur. Or Wade just needs to accept that he isn't always going to score 20+, and try hard during games he only gets 10-12 shots in.




Well Wade bricked some clutch FTAs late in the game against the Jazz, so it doesn't surprise me LeBron wants to take the FTs. Also, LeBron was shooting FTs at a 77% rate yesterday. Wade: 66%. This season so far: LeBron: 79%. Wade: 76%. Doesn't it make sense for the team's best FT shooter to take them?

LeBron's also been a better FT shooter than Wade each of the last two season too. Why would Wade be taking them, when he's statistically been worse lately?

They're not "Wade's free throws". They're the team's free throws. Wade's worse than LeBron at them, so LeBron takes them.

:applause: :cheers: Couldn't have said it better really

[comerb]

The problem is that Wade, LeBron, and Bosh don't really know how to play basketball. Only NBA cancer mode iso ball. If they knew how to play as a team, or play real defense instead of relying on their athleticism they would be unstoppable.

I hear Lebron is leading all forwards in assists.

[kingkong]

serves Wade right for wanting to have the one guy who's unquestionably better than him to come to his team

maybe if he was a true alpha male, he wouldnt be crying right now

[knickscity]

I hear Lebron is leading all forwards in assists.
Also leading small forwards in turnovers too.

[EarlTheGoat]

This is gonna be Kobe Vs. Shaq part 2. LeBron has a lot in common with Shaq. Both love to dance, very big ego and only care about themselves.

Yeah, but one of them has 4 rings.

[kingkong]

Also leading small forwards in turnovers too.

he leads the league in turnovers :lol

and Wade is #5 in turnovers

[alfonsito123]

WTF is he complaining about? He was playing like shit all last night

maybe its the pride. you know what i mean. lebron doesn't know anything about teamwork. what he knows about is ball hogging. wade is somewhat a little less like lebron. i mean, wade ball hogs but he still manages to share the ball and make great plays for teammates. while lebron on the other hand is just focusing on his next monster performance. if this thing continues, miami would never win a championship. teams like lakers, celtics and even the magic might beat them in the postseason. they should work more on their teamwork and chemistry first before each of them try to dominate on each other. and if this continues, i'm pretty sure that next season or the next next season, one of these guys will depart miami.

[Derka]

Sounds like much ado about nothing, but one never knows. Spoelstra's bit about players letting go of ego could have more to it. *shrug*

[alfonsito123]

serves Wade right for wanting to have the one guy who's unquestionably better than him to come to his team

maybe if he was a true alpha male, he wouldnt be crying right now

yeah. i agree. maybe it would be better if wade just brought bosh alongside with him. then surround themselves with solid role players and solid players that would come out from the bench. take a look at the lakers, kobe and gasol then surround them with solid players like ron-ron, fish, odom and bynum. then surround themselves with soild players that come out from the bench like brown, blake, luke, sasha and theo ratliff. ooopppsss!!! I forgot, I already mentioned the whole laker team. heheh.

I mean, if they would like to be NBA champions, take care of the chemistry first then beat the celtics then finally face the lakers. if they don't work on their chemistry, we will see another lakers-celtics rematch again this postseason. that would be more exciting than seeing the heat getting hammered down by the celtics then getting mocked by Pierce.

what do you think?

[Harion]

Yea, it's not about his system it's that they don't respect his system. In a perfect world where they were all buying into everything he said perfectly, you might realize he's actually a good coach.

-Smak
agree
ppl seem to forget that Spoelstra coached this team to reach the playoffs last season

[LA_Showtime]

The Wade/LeBron drama doesn't really surprise me. What I don't understand is why Chris Bosh looks so bad. I thought he would thrive in Miami. A 24/10 guy given open shot after open shot? Money. But no, he's playing terrible right now and his confidence is at an all time low. Spo has got to figure out a way to get LeBron and Wade to pass him the basketball.

[Solid Snake]

This is like when kids see a shadow in their room at night and are convinced it's a monster, when really it's just a sweater draped over the back of a chair.

But who do you think the sweater belongs to? The MONSTER.

[NbaFan432]

:facepalm I'd hate to have people hang on literally every word I say. There's no problem here people.

[KG5MVP]

yeah. i agree. maybe it would be better if wade just brought bosh alongside with him. then surround themselves with solid role players and solid players that would come out from the bench. take a look at the lakers, kobe and gasol then surround them with solid players like ron-ron, fish, odom and bynum. then surround themselves with soild players that come out from the bench like brown, blake, luke, sasha and theo ratliff. ooopppsss!!! I forgot, I already mentioned the whole laker team. heheh.

I mean, if they would like to be NBA champions, take care of the chemistry first then beat the celtics then finally face the lakers. if they don't work on their chemistry, we will see another lakers-celtics rematch again this postseason. that would be more exciting than seeing the heat getting hammered down by the celtics then getting mocked by Pierce.

what do you think?

except that Bosh is no post anchor like Pau Gasol, and Miami doesn't have a lamar odom or andrew bynum. Lakers is stacked

[amfirst]

LeBron and Wade will not work. You can't have two guys run the pick and role at the same time. LeBron uses up all the pick and role plays for easy stats. Wade was once the best at it. Now, he can't run the pick and role cause LeBron hogs it. 5i3t will eventually hit the fan. ONe of them have to reinvent their game to be a spot up shooter. Two guys doing the same thing is not going to work.

[DCL]

i remember a few stupid heat fans GUARANTEED the heat will immediately dominate the league and instantly win a championship the first season. where are they now??? :lol

[Nobler]

i remember a few stupid heat fans GUARANTEED the heat will immediately dominate the league and instantly win a championship the first season. where are they now??? :lol

In all fairness how much of that hype was conceived by the fans and how much from the espn hype machine. I seem to remember a former coach saying they would break the win record this season? They were excited adn still have reason to be so. Ive never seen so much convo over the 9th game of the season. At least they are getting attention i guess....

[B-Easy]

Regardless if people are making something out of nothing, or if this is all just nonsense.....the fact remains, there seems to be TOO MUCH chirping going on already within the ranks of this team. They're not even 10 games in, and already we've seen little off handed remarks here and there.

not really .. its just any time they open their mouth it gets over analyzed.

[LA_Showtime]

It's good to point out that Miami is losing games because their defensive intensity has waned since the beginning of the season.

It's also good to point out that Boston looked terrible on offense in the regular season during the big three's first year. They got it together in the playoffs and peaked against the Lakers. No reason Miami can't do the same.

[bdreason]

Wade recruited the most ball dominant player in the entire NBA to this team. No complaining about it now. :no:

[Micku]

I didn't watch the entire Heat-Celtics game. But according to some ppl, Wade defense was lazy. Plus he took bad shots and couldn't finish.

But I do think the Heat need more ball movement from the games that I watched them in. Sometimes they have it, sometimes they don't. The Heat team is inconsistent right now. They would be better if Wade, Bron, Bosh get going consistently.

[Lebron23]

not really .. its just any time they open their mouth it gets over analyzed.


Exactly

I never read any NBA Articles on ESPN and Yahoo NBA. I just browse their website to check the NBA Schedule, and find the stats of my favorite NBA Players.

ESPN and Yahoo NBA = TMZ.com. (I really hate this website).

[Lebron23]

maybe its the pride. you know what i mean. lebron doesn't know anything about teamwork. what he knows about is ball hogging. wade is somewhat a little less like lebron. i mean, wade ball hogs but he still manages to share the ball and make great plays for teammates. while lebron on the other hand is just focusing on his next monster performance. if this thing continues, miami would never win a championship. teams like lakers, celtics and even the magic might beat them in the postseason. they should work more on their teamwork and chemistry first before each of them try to dominate on each other. and if this continues, i'm pretty sure that next season or the next next season, one of these guys will depart miami.


Please stop talking out of your ass. Watch his game. He's one of the most unselfish players in this league. Did you watch the Celtics and Heat game? Wade had his worst game of the season. That's why LeBron needed to put up some monster stats against the Boston Celtics. Use your common sense.

[lebron06]

yea most of the game lebron let wade get all the shots cuz its his team.. but when he's needed he steps up.... that could have been a blow out

[ashbelly]

Meh, taken out of context. They might as well hire woj:oldlol:

[All Net]

uh oh :oldlol:

[Lebron23]

yea most of the game lebron let wade get all the shots cuz its his team.. but when he's needed he steps up.... that could have been a blow out


Repped

[BlueandGold]

I didn't see anything in that quote so bad. They should really wach their mouths a little more though, everything they say is going to be scrutinized yet they make sure to talk as much as possibly.

I think it's obvious more on the court they are unsure what to do. WHen one of them has the ball, and moreso Lebron, the other just stands and watches. if they are going to run the Lebron Iso and One offense, what is wade supposed to do?

He could do a multitude of things, set screens, run across screens to draw defenders, fake post up/post up in the paint to draw defenders. Mostly move without the basketball like Allen/Pierce, Kobe/Artest/Fisher and other backcourt tandums do so well. I fail to see that just because they both have been "the man" for their entire careers that they can't do the simple rudimentary things in basketball to help their team win. Even in pick up games it's obviously clear that doing little things like hustling, setting screens and good off-ball movement leads to a better offense and ultimately better team basketball.

[FKAri]

lol this reminds me of Team USA's struggles in the past and the failure of the "throw an all-star team and sleepwalk to victory" philosophy. Ironic that these guys have all played together on the national team so should have had an idea of what to expect.

[JerrySteakhouse]

Love these overreaction threads.

[rammerman]

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[mrhoopfan]

Lebron need obvious work on post game and he and D.Wade both need to be executing more slash cuts so they are getting more shots in the lane.

[monkeypox]

If they're going to have adversity like this, this is the time to do it. If they fight through it and mature some, they can come out of it stronger. This starts happening in the playoffs after they've cruised through the regular season and teams like the Celtics will eat them alive.

[alfonsito123]

Please stop talking out of your ass. Watch his game. He's one of the most unselfish players in this league. Did you watch the Celtics and Heat game? Wade had his worst game of the season. That's why LeBron needed to put up some monster stats against the Boston Celtics. Use your common sense.

yeah. I take that back. I'm wrong with that. I would just conclude that Lebron and Wade shouldn't go together. I think they don't fit together. Well, thank you for addressing my mistake. :hammerhead:

[donald_trump]

can someone show me the bitterness in his comment? which part exactly?

[magnax1]

Wade's been playing lazy as hell. He hasn't ran back on D, and he hasn't been running off screens with any effort at all (part of why Ray Allen played so well against them) That's part of why Miami has sucked.
I think Spoelstra's inability to get the ball moving around is really hurting this team, by ruining Wade's motivation, and by just killing their offensive efficiency. Lebron is shooting mid 40's, and Bosh isn't scoring because he hasn't been getting the ball in the hotspots at all, and isn't rolling on his pick and rolls (Is spo telling him to pick and pop or something, or is he just being stupid?) I'm sure part of it is that they just aren't 100% gelled, but they shouldn't be this bad. Part of it really is Spoelstra's fault. However, Miami is still playing pretty well despite their 6-4 record. They have kinks to work out, but they're still contenders even if they don't work out their problems.

[gilalizard]

The sky is falling.

Of course, one should never underestimate the power of ego.

:violin:

[NoName22]

Whoa...who thought LeBron was a ball dominant player ?

I always thought he was the most unselfish superstar in the league.

Don't get on your high horses, I'm just fcking wit ya