The NBA needs more white superstars

[Micku]

Bird:


"Well, I think so," said Bird, the Indiana Pacers' president of basketball operations. "You know, when I played, you had me and Kevin [McHale] and some others throughout the league. I think it's good for a fan base because, as we all know, the majority of the fans are white America. And if you just had a couple of white guys in there, you might get them a little excited. But it is a black man's game, and it will be forever. I mean, the greatest athletes in the world are African-American."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1818396


Even though this is an old article, I think he has a point. He was criticize for this comment, but when Bird came into the NBA he was label as the great "white" hope to save the NBA and everything. Some people even said that he was overrated because he was white back then.

I think having more white superstars would bring some nice differences and have some people get excited. It would also influence other white Americans to play ball similar to how Yao impacted the NBA on the China audience I guess. I do find it weird that the NBA haven't got a superstar on Bird's or even Jerry West caliber yet as far as white Americans go. They are rare to find or get. Even though the race barrier is broken down, people still get excited to see their own race become one of the best at the sport. It's no secret there.

What about college hoops? Are there some good white players there? No big stars?

What about you guys? Do you think think the NBA lack white American players? Should there be more along with more white American superstars?

[FindingTim]

I think it's less about white athleticism and more about the mental hump of living in the U.S. and thinking basketball is a black mans game.

wouldn't that help explain why white-Euro's seem to perform better than the random white dudes like Brian Cardinal? <<--- Beaaaaassstt!!!

[Go Getter]

I think Bird was on point with his statements, however, I do not like the notion that some people put out there about white players not getting their fair shake.

I think with the X games becoming big and opportunities to do more athletically [besides basketball and football] that it's only natural to see a drop in white NBA players.

Black men seem to be pigeon holed (by ourselves and by those in power) into playing football or basketball...just now is it becoming socially acceptable in the black community for a young man to play club sports and race cars for example.

Bird vs. Magic was media gold because it polarized fans.

The NBA could definitely use another white superstar.

There are some in the NBA that could be that guy (Bogut, Nash, Dirk) but they all lack "it."

[Go Getter]

I think it's less about white athleticism and more about the mental hump of living in the U.S. and thinking basketball is a black mans game.

wouldn't that help explain why white-Euro's seem to perform better than the random white dudes like Brian Cardinal? <<--- Beaaaaassstt!!!


There are more Europeans than there are white Americans.....my thing is that European ballers are known for their shooting but none seem to be as good at shooting as Bird, Legler, Kerr, Redick, Mullins, etc...

[TrueRob]

There aren't too many White American youth seriously pursuing a career as a pro-basketball player. Just like there aren't too many Black American youth seriously pursuing a career as a pro-baseball player or pro-hockey player.

[Micku]

I always thought football was a mixture between white and black Americans playing.

I think White Americans can have that athleticism and skill set to play in the NBA, but they are probably out there but haven't gotten that exposure yet.

Even though the NBA is consider a black dominant league, it could change in the future. It is already trying to step it grounds to get more Euros into the league and others internationally. I think the league also need that one white superstar to get more white players into the league.

As FindingTim said, it might be a mental hump. But a white superstar may just bring some ratings and more people watching the NBA.

[DuMa]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_RVLfSMIB7K0/SkYSb23DPWI/AAAAAAAAWNs/ApNUt7pTCbE/s400/Hansbrough.jpg

[Go Getter]

There aren't too many White American youth seriously pursuing a career as a pro-basketball player. Just like there aren't too many Black American youth seriously pursuing a career as a pro-baseball player or pro-hockey player.


There are millions of young white men that love basketball and would kill to play in the NBA.

[knightfall88]

wow rascists much?

You are all americans so whats the difference?

[Micku]

wow rascists much?

You are all americans so whats the difference?

It's not racism.

Racism is an action on discrimination or being superior. It's an act on prejudice.

This is just the truth just by race and demographic. Like how Yao attract China and etc.

Since the United States is mostly white, a white superstar in the NBA may attract more audiences.

[Avon Barksdale]

wow rascists much?

You are all americans so whats the difference?

No one has written anything even remotely racist, :wtf: are you talking about? Discussing race does not = racism. Jesus Christ.

[MrJohnWall]

There aren't too many White American youth seriously pursuing a career as a pro-basketball player. Just like there aren't too many Black American youth seriously pursuing a career as a pro-baseball player or pro-hockey player.
:oldlol: :oldlol: Thats the biggest lie i ever heard. Go to any high school and the majority of the players are white

[MrJohnWall]

You guys can have Blake Griffin :confusedshrug:
We'll just make sure he cuts his nappy hair on gameday

[Nash-tastic]

http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm207/yan2malagu/nba%20rookie%20photos/Blake-1.png

[d.bball.guy]

http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm207/yan2malagu/nba%20rookie%20photos/Blake-1.png
this and specially your avy!

[Nash-tastic]

this and specially your avy!
:cheers:

[Niquesports]

I always thought football was a mixture between white and black Americans playing.

I think White Americans can have that athleticism and skill set to play in the NBA, but they are probably out there but haven't gotten that exposure yet.

Even though the NBA is consider a black dominant league, it could change in the future. It is already trying to step it grounds to get more Euros into the league and others internationally. I think the league also need that one white superstar to get more white players into the league.

As FindingTim said, it might be a mental hump. But a white superstar may just bring some ratings and more people watching the NBA.

David Stern and the owners have done a lot of suttle things to bring in white players. They legalized the Zone Defense,Had the refs start calling llittle baby fouls to soften up the game. Sent coaches and invested millions to introduce the game and teach Euros the game. Imean if blacks are so much better than whites in basketball would you think to send all that or at least some of them resources over to Africa? I would love to see another Bird or Chris Mullin not because they were white but because they could ball and were tough. Use to love to see Mullin do his thing against Gtown.

[coin24]

The jazz have a white rookie don't they? Haywood or something...
He's extra white lol..

It's not about racism IMO.. Blacks are more athletic, play the game more entertaining aswell..

Here in Australia our national league is so shit. Full of white Aussies and it is boring, unathletic and piss poor quality. As soon as we get 1 USA reject he is a superstar here as long as he can dunk lol!!!

[rammerman]

pau
steve blake
dirk
sasha
david lee
biedrins
kristic
troy murphy
redick
nash

[alenleomessi]

<<<<

[d.bball.guy]

:cheers:
:cheers:

[monkeypox]

This is supposedly why the UFC is taking off. It's a sport where white douchebags can once again actually fantasize about being good at without being destroyed by giant black guys.

[QuebecBaller]

Bird:



http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1818396


Even though this is an old article, I think he has a point. He was criticize for this comment, but when Bird came into the NBA he was label as the great "white" hope to save the NBA and everything. Some people even said that he was overrated because he was white back then.



Yeah, we all remember when Larry Bird was white. :D

[Scal]

http://rfmp.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/bill0.jpg

"Larry's not white. Larry's clear!"

[comerb]

I think it's less about white athleticism and more about the mental hump of living in the U.S. and thinking basketball is a black mans game.

wouldn't that help explain why white-Euro's seem to perform better than the random white dudes like Brian Cardinal? <<--- Beaaaaassstt!!!

Meh, I think thats being abit unrealistic. How many white Euro players are getting by on their athleticism?

In my opinion, it tends to be more about how the game is played in different regions. In Europe, its more of a team game that values ball movement and shooting. In American, its more about isolation & penetration. The latter style obviously leans more towards the athletic type of player (generally black players). A lot of good white players don't thrive in these systems, and as a result don't make it to the NBA... where-as Europeans get to really show-case their talents in team ball.

[Scal]

In my opinion, it tends to be more about how the game is played in different regions. In Europe, its more of a team game that values ball movement and shooting. In American, its more about isolation & penetration. The latter style obviously leans more towards the athletic type of player (generally black players). A lot of good white players don't thrive in these systems, and as a result don't make it to the NBA... where-as Europeans get to really show-case their talents in team ball.

You actually make a really good point. Just even the way the game is learned. I've noticed just from playing organised ball (with an actual coach) and in the park the major differences in styles tends to dictate the way you play a lot.

[PaPaK]

watch Euroleague, its better anyway. better atmospheres, intelligent and more team oriented play, smaller gap between teams, no obsession with stats, no Stern, no idiots yelling "DE-FENCE", no Steven A Smith, less matches during the season, seriously 82+playoffs is waaay too much... should i go on? :D

relax im trolling. altho i stand behind most of these.

[Sakkreth]

watch Euroleague, its better anyway. better atmospheres, intelligent and more team oriented play, smaller gap between teams, no obsession with stats, no Stern, no idiots yelling "DE-FENCE", no Steven A Smith, less matches during the season, seriously 82+playoffs is waaay too much... should i go on? :D

relax im trolling. altho i stand behind most of these.
Nah it's enough, I would be bored to read it all.

[PrimeJohnnyDepp]

doesn't. needs less.

[PaPaK]

"Well, I think so," said Bird, the Indiana Pacers' president of basketball operations. "You know, when I played, you had me and Kevin [McHale] and some others throughout the league. I think it's good for a fan base because, as we all know, the majority of the fans are white America. And if you just had a couple of white guys in there, you might get them a little excited. But it is a black man's game, and it will be forever. I mean, the greatest athletes in the world are African-American."

mmm no. its true for certain sports but to call african americans the greatests athletes in the world its bullshit. i could start listing white athletes and superstars now but cant be ****ed, ill just say that for every lebron james theres a cristiano ronaldo, for every usain bolt (hes not even african-american) there is a michael phelps.. sorry larry, just coz you got an inferiority complex like most white american basketball players it doesnt mean we have to tolerate your retardness

countries like lithuania and serbia which have about 3 and 6 million people respectively produced an impressive number of quality players over the years, i mean when taken as a % of population its pretty crazy

[step_back]

Blacks tend to be more athletic which basketball often relies on, it's just the way the game has progressed.

I personally don't care who plays in the league as long as they perform and actually have respect for the game and it's fans.

[Scal]

I must say, as a whitey, it doesn't worry me that NBA is dominated mainly by people with a different ethnicity to me. I still love the game.

[PaPaK]

Blacks tend to be more athletic which basketball often relies on, it's just the way the game has progressed.

I personally don't care who plays in the league as long as they perform and actually have respect for the game and it's fans.
you do realize there is more to athleticism than speed and vertical leap right? things like endurance coordination flexibility agility balance reaction time..

[step_back]

you do realize there is more to athleticism than speed and vertical leap right? things like endurance coordination flexibility agility balance reaction time..

You do realise that it's a well known fact that Blacks have more fast twitch muscle fibres (type 2) in their genetic make up than whites.

What you listed is also irrelevant as they are all attainable through training. God given ability/advantage is not.

[PaPaK]

You do realise that it's a well known fact that Blacks have more fast twitch muscle fibres (type 2) in their genetic make up than whites.

What you listed is also irrelevant as they are all attainable through training. God given ability/advantage is not.
i know they do, blacks are superior in certain aspects of athleticism which makes them better suited to basketball but it sure isnt like that across other sports.. tennis (coordination, endurance..), soccer (worlds most popular sport), olympic weight lifting (pure strength), swimming and so on are dominated by non blacks, its a fact

get my point?

[step_back]

i know they do, blacks are superior in certain aspects of athleticism which makes them better suited to basketball but it sure isnt like that across other sports.. tennis (coordination, endurance..), soccer (worlds most popular sport), olympic weight lifting (pure strength), swimming and so on are dominated by non blacks, its a fact

get my point?

are you serious?:facepalm

Were not talking about other sports, were talking about basketball. Speed and vertical are two very important aspects in this game.

Ofcourse other sports are dominated by non blacks but that has nothing to do with what the O.P is saying.

[PaPaK]

well you said that blacks tend to be more athletic which i said was not true, you weren't specific

[PaPaK]

another thing (non related really) with basketball is that in order to play it on a higher level a person has to be taller than average, actually much taller than average, i mean 6 footers can play it but they are massively disadvantaged from the start, that alone will be a determining factor in basketball never becoming no1 sport.. soccer on the other hand, even midgets like messi and maradona can be the best in the world..

theres other things like facilities, you need hoops and concreted surface n shit, while for soccer all you need is a ball (im talking bout grass-roots level here)

finally, relative to this thread, its dominated by one race therefore most of the world cant really identify with the players

pretty sad coz its an awesome sport but these are just the facts of life

[step_back]

well you said that blacks tend to be more athletic which i said was not true, you weren't specific

I was specific, I listed two examples of what basketball requires physically and said blacks tend to be better as they have more fast twitch muscle fibres (which they do) which are responsible for attributes like speed and vertical.

Anyone who looks at what I said can perfectly understand the point I was making.

Try thinking before you post.

[100grandman]

Kind of racist for Larry to say. Never liked him much anyway. But that's why the NFL is more popular than the NBA. You have the most important position in the sport (quarterback) dominated by white players, so naturally more white people watch it.

[PaPaK]

Blacks tend to be more athletic which basketball often relies on, it's just the way the game has progressed.

I personally don't care who plays in the league as long as they perform and actually have respect for the game and it's fans.
listen mate, no need to be a prick k?
this was your first post on which i replied and you weren't specific in it, no mention of fast twitch fibres or vertical leap, just "Blacks tend to be more athletic"

[beermonsteroo]

The problem is that todays superstars are a lot "more black" then they used to be in the 80es or 90es.

Guys like Jordan,Malone,Robinson,Hakeem,Magic,Ewing,Drexler, Dominique,Parish,Gervin, and so on were dressing, behaving and living white. There was nothing particular black about them except for their skin. Hence the ordinary white American middle class fan had no problem identifying and cheering for those type of players.
However, over the course of the 90es this has changed a lot. The Hip Hop culture took over basketball and black nba players changed. The way they dressed, they behaved and so on, suddenly it all had to fit this hip hop culture thing.
This may have attracted some knew fans, especially among youngsters, but many white middle class men turned their backs on the NBA. And after all this has alaways been the biggest fangroup. That's really a key reason why the NBA has lost so much popularity. I am not judging this. But it's a fact.

[DeronMillsap]

The jazz have a white rookie don't they? Haywood or something...
He's extra white lol..

He's not star and he sucks. Probably one of the reasons why Utah will never win a title, they think there's a great white American hope out there who will get them a title. :banghead:

[Slam13]

To defend white people I would say that white men are just as strong, not as athletic but just as strong or even stronger.

Oh and black people can't swim right?

[DCL]

bird was just stating.... the fking obvious.

[step_back]

listen mate, no need to be a prick k?
this was your first post on which i replied and you weren't specific in it, no mention of fast twitch fibres or vertical leap, just "Blacks tend to be more athletic"

It's very well documented in Basketball that speed and vertical play two very important roles, many players are not successful on the next level like they were in college because then NBA is full of physical beats (JJ reddick) for example and they can't be as effective on the next level because they struggle to keep up.

Are attributes like flexibility and hand to eye co-ordination setting teams on fire when they have the chance at landing a John Wall or Blake griffin? (basketball skills and I.Q aside obviously)

The answer is no, so why do I have to explain this when any casual fan already knows this?

[WoGiTaLiA1]

tennis (coordination, endurance..), soccer (worlds most popular sport), olympic weight lifting (pure strength), swimming and so on are dominated by non blacks, its a fact

Soccer is dominated by blacks and is becoming increasingly more so. The vast majority of the top Brazilian players are from African or Amerindian descent. Ivory Coast, Ghana, Nigeria, Cameroon and Senegal amongst other places have a disproportionate amount of players in the top leagues compared to their financial means. Hell a great chunk of the top English, German, Dutch and French players are all of black descent.

People of African descent have dominated the majority of sports that they compete in. Sports that have higher costs of entry and participation have limited them but there is still generally an average or higher level of participation. Baseball is a great example. Hockey and Tennis are both expensive sports to play and it isn't a myth that African-American's are generally poorer than the average white child.

I don't see how anyone can argue that blacks are not more athletic as a race. I think the olympics are as good an indicator as any for that where it is a pure athletic test rather than something that requires more specific training and equipment. Short distance and West African genetics dominate. Long distance and East/Central African genetics dominate.

Black people being more athletic is a stereotype based on fact. Sure there are always exceptions going both ways but the average black has more natural ability than the average white when it comes to athletic skills.

It is the same here in Australia with the Aboriginals. They are more athletic naturally than whites. You can see it clearly by the massively disproportionate numbers they have at the top level of pretty much every sport in which it is feasible for them to compete financially.

[beermonsteroo]

Soccer is dominated by blacks and is becoming increasingly more so. The vast majority of the top Brazilian players are from African or Amerindian descent. Ivory Coast, Ghana, Nigeria, Cameroon and Senegal amongst other places have a disproportionate amount of players in the top leagues compared to their financial means. Hell a great chunk of the top English, German, Dutch and French players are all of black descent.

People of African descent have dominated the majority of sports that they compete in. Sports that have higher costs of entry and participation have limited them but there is still generally an average or higher level of participation. Baseball is a great example. Hockey and Tennis are both expensive sports to play and it isn't a myth that African-American's are generally poorer than the average white child.

I don't see how anyone can argue that blacks are not more athletic as a race. I think the olympics are as good an indicator as any for that where it is a pure athletic test rather than something that requires more specific training and equipment. Short distance and West African genetics dominate. Long distance and East/Central African genetics dominate.

Black people being more athletic is a stereotype based on fact. Sure there are always exceptions going both ways but the average black has more natural ability than the average white when it comes to athletic skills.

It is the same here in Australia with the Aboriginals. They are more athletic naturally than whites. You can see it clearly by the massively disproportionate numbers they have at the top level of pretty much every sport in which it is feasible for them to compete financially.

0 all black teams have won the soccer world cup
13 all white teams have won it
6 mixed teams have won it

Just for the record

[Yuki Nagato]

Soccer is dominated by blacks and is becoming increasingly more so. The vast majority of the top Brazilian players are from African or Amerindian descent. Ivory Coast, Ghana, Nigeria, Cameroon and Senegal amongst other places have a disproportionate amount of players in the top leagues compared to their financial means. Hell a great chunk of the top English, German, Dutch and French players are all of black descent.


Yeah, that's why the last two winners of the world cup were Italy & Spain, and Messi is the best player today by a mile.

Soccer is becoming more balanced in the race-thing, but FOR SURE isn't dominated by blacks.

[yobore]

i know they do, blacks are superior in certain aspects of athleticism which makes them better suited to basketball but it sure isnt like that across other sports.. tennis (coordination, endurance..), soccer (worlds most popular sport), olympic weight lifting (pure strength), swimming and so on are dominated by non blacks, its a fact

get my point?
Are you kidding me? soccer is not dominated by non blacks.

And tennis? Look at countries where it's popular for blacks to play tennis. Almost all of the young players France is spitting out are black and will be very good soon, like Monfils and Tsonga.

In the US there it's not as popular for blacks but Venus and Serena dominate, and Blake is the second best guy.

[yobore]

0 all black teams have won the soccer world cup
13 all white teams have won it
6 mixed teams have won it

Just for the record
lol how many "all black" countries are anywhere near first world or large enough to have a winning team. And when you say "white" I hope you're not including teams like the French team. Look at the teams in the top leagues, they are mostly black.

[beermonsteroo]

lol how many "all black" countries are anywhere near first world or large enough to have a winning team. And when you say "white" I hope you're not including teams like the French team. Look at the teams in the top leagues, they are mostly black.

No I counted France in 98 as a mixed team.

[Mor'Fiyah]

Yeah, that's why the last two winners of the world cup were Italy & Spain, and Messi is the best player today by a mile.

Soccer is becoming more balanced in the race-thing, but FOR SURE isn't dominated by blacks.

The ONLY reason soccer is not disproportionately dominated by blacks is because, as far as high profile/big money professional soccer goes, The European leagues disproportionately recruit white players 1. because its easier ... they are European and don't need work visas. 2. because there are still large pockets of racism in Europe and that is one of the big targets of FIFA and 3. because at the grass roots level there are still large discrepancies between the haves and the have nots from a global perspective. Jamaica is primarily a black country but cannot compete with England because they don't have the economy despite having vastly superior athletes.

Its changing though. Note that in Brazil where you have the largest number of blacks outside of Africa has a large number of black players (historically) backed up by resources and tradition and are the greatest soccer nation in the world.

[nycelt84]

Mixed race teams that won a world cup

1930 Uruguay
1950 Uruguay
1958 brazil
1962 brazil
1970 brazil
1994 brazil
1998 France
2002 brazil

[Mor'Fiyah]

Are you kidding me? soccer is not dominated by non blacks.

And tennis? Look at countries where it's popular for blacks to play tennis. Almost all of the young players France is spitting out are black and will be very good soon, like Monfils and Tsonga.

In the US there it's not as popular for blacks but Venus and Serena dominate, and Blake is the second best guy.

The ONLY reason blacks do not also dominate tennis and swimming is because of economics of scale. Blacks just don't play tennis because their economic priorities don't allow for them to buy expensive rackets or join a tennis club for access to a court and training. The minute the field becomes equal in this and blacks start seeing tennis as a viable alternative to football and track and field and basketball is the minute they begin dominating the sport and all the records start falling. The Williams sisters are by FAR more athletic than every single woman player in tennis.

[beermonsteroo]

Mixed race teams that won a world cup

1930 Uruguay
1950 Uruguay
1958 brazil
1962 brazil
1970 brazil
1994 brazil
1998 France
2002 brazil

There was no black player on the Urugay team in 1950.
There was only one in 1930.

[beermonsteroo]

The ONLY reason blacks do not also dominate tennis and swimming is because of economics of scale. Blacks just don't play tennis because their economic priorities don't allow for them to buy expensive rackets or join a tennis club for access to a court and training. The minute the field becomes equal in this and blacks start seeing tennis as a viable alternative to football and track and field and basketball is the minute they begin dominating the sport and all the records start falling. The Williams sisters are by FAR more athletic than every single woman player in tennis.

The Williams sisters are by FAR more athletic than every single woman player in tennis

Yet a 30 year old Steffi Graf was still beating a 20 year old Venus in 1999. It's not all about athelticism you know.

[Yuki Nagato]

Its changing though. Note that in Brazil where you have the largest number of blacks outside of Africa has a large number of black players (historically) backed up by resources and tradition and are the greatest soccer nation in the world.


Just for the record, Brazil winning the WC five times have nothing to do with athleticism but supreme skill instead. Look how they did in the past WC with a team based purely on strength & speed.

The rest of your post is conspiracy non-sense, lots of african players come to the youth soccer schools at an early age. The clubs search for them thus giving the player the proper rights to come at Europe. Also, lots of relevant black players playing in europe comes from France & Netherlands.

The racism thing have nothing to do with club management, the clubs are interested in getting the better players whatever their skin-color is. Racist-incidents on countries like Italy have nothing to do with it.

[Psileas]

countries like lithuania and serbia which have about 3 and 6 million people respectively produced an impressive number of quality players over the years, i mean when taken as a % of population its pretty crazy

Not that crazy considering the alternatives you have as an American compared to the alternatives you have as a Serb (poverty, wars, generally bad living conditions) or a Lithuanian (not other sports are anywhere near basketball in popularity).

[nycelt84]

There was no black player on the Urugay team in 1950.
There was only one in 1930.

Obdulio Varelia the original Black Chief was captain of the 1950 Uruguay team and he was Black. Victor Andrade was of Black descent as well on 1950 Uruguay and a star player also. Do your research before you start making false claims.

[beermonsteroo]

Obdulio Varelia the original Black Pearl was captain of the 1950 Uruguay team and he was Black. Do your research before you start making false claims.

He is called Varela and he was only half black.

So of 11 players on the pitch 0,5 were black.

[Bigsmoke]

if white people play in courts that were mostly filled with blacks all day then they would be more in the NBA.

Bird said it himself that he grew up playing basketball all day with blacks.

[nycelt84]

He is called Varela and he was only half black.

So of 11 players on the pitch 0,5 were black.

I guess you missed my edited post. Varela and Andrade were both Blacks on the 1950 squad. And you were wrong regardless with your claim of 13 all white world cup winners.

[beermonsteroo]

if white people play in courts that were mostly filled with blacks all day then they would be more in the NBA.

Bird said it himself that he grew up playing basketball all day with blacks.

Shwo me where he said that.
Considering that he grew up in french Lick it's not very likely that he played with too many blacks.

[Slam13]

I guess you missed my edited post. Varela and Andrade were both Blacks on the 1950 squad. And you were wrong regardless with your claim of 13 all white world cup winners.
Are you black?

[Euroleague]

What Bird said is racist. He implies that blacks from the USA are more athletic than everyone else.

[Bigsmoke]

Shwo me where he said that.
Considering that he grew up in french Lick it's not very likely that he played with too many blacks.

in that Larry Bird and Magic movie thingy.

[2LeTTeRS]

What Bird said is racist. He implies that blacks from the USA are more athletic than everyone else.

And how does making that point (implied or otherwise) make a person racist?

[Mor'Fiyah]

The Williams sisters are by FAR more athletic than every single woman player in tennis

Yet a 30 year old Steffi Graf was still beating a 20 year old Venus in 1999. It's not all about athelticism you know.

Of course its not. Venus was ALL raw athleticism back then. Stefi Graf would have big problems returning her man-serves when she matured five years later though. Athleticism helps. ALOT. Especially when married with technique and strategy and intelligence. Its the reason the Williams sisters can not play tennis for an entire year and then come into a tournament ranked 100 and win the whole thing like its nothing.

And lets not talk about swimming. Micheal Phelps would not be Michael Phelps if there were a proportionate amount of blacks in swimming.

[Niquesports]

The ONLY reason blacks do not also dominate tennis and swimming is because of economics of scale. Blacks just don't play tennis because their economic priorities don't allow for them to buy expensive rackets or join a tennis club for access to a court and training. The minute the field becomes equal in this and blacks start seeing tennis as a viable alternative to football and track and field and basketball is the minute they begin dominating the sport and all the records start falling. The Williams sisters are by FAR more athletic than every single woman player in tennis.


Peopl are so lost. This is 2010 almost 2011 the President of the USA is Black. Whats with this mind set that blacks are so poor. Hello check the welfare logs there are more whites on welfare than Blacks. My cousin played lacross and rugby sports I never thought about playing. It was more the evironment he grew up in than his skin color. I wasnt exposed to many sports as many other African Americans. My High school didnt have a crew team or golf team or hockey. If it was offered and we had a quality coach does anyone question that at least 1 or 2 would have excelled.Same with basketball if a person has 20 sports to choose from isnt it less likely that all the top atheltes will play just 1 or 2 sports.Its exposure the truth of it isnt how many blacks excell in basketball but how many blacks get left back due to lack of choices who arent elite in basketball.How good would the 3rd string WR be on a lacross team, the 3rd string SF on a volleyball team.

[Niquesports]

The ONLY reason blacks do not also dominate tennis and swimming is because of economics of scale. Blacks just don't play tennis because their economic priorities don't allow for them to buy expensive rackets or join a tennis club for access to a court and training. The minute the field becomes equal in this and blacks start seeing tennis as a viable alternative to football and track and field and basketball is the minute they begin dominating the sport and all the records start falling. The Williams sisters are by FAR more athletic than every single woman player in tennis.


Peopl are so lost. This is 2010 almost 2011 the President of the USA is Black. Whats with this mind set that blacks are so poor. Hello check the welfare logs there are more whites on welfare than Blacks. My cousin played lacross and rugby sports I never thought about playing. It was more the evironment he grew up in than his skin color. I wasnt exposed to many sports as many other African Americans. My High school didnt have a crew team or golf team or hockey. If it was offered and we had a quality coach does anyone question that at least 1 or 2 would have excelled.Same with basketball if a person has 20 sports to choose from isnt it less likely that all the top atheltes will play just 1 or 2 sports.Its exposure the truth of it isnt how many blacks excell in basketball but how many blacks get left back due to lack of choices who arent elite in basketball.How good would the 3rd string WR be on a lacross team, the 3rd string SF on a volleyball team.

[Euroleague]

You do realise that it's a well known fact that Blacks have more fast twitch muscle fibres (type 2) in their genetic make up than whites.

What you listed is also irrelevant as they are all attainable through training. God given ability/advantage is not.

That's not true. This has been studied and it was proven that's a lie that it this is a genetic difference. The actual reason was diet based and not genetic.

[Yuki Nagato]

Lakas fan yo :facepalm

[Slam13]

Of course its not. Venus was ALL raw athleticism back then. Stefi Graf would have big problems returning her man-serves when she matured five years later though. Athleticism helps. ALOT. Especially when married with technique and strategy and intelligence. Its the reason the Williams sisters can not play tennis for an entire year and then come into a tournament ranked 100 and win the whole thing like its nothing.

And lets not talk about swimming. Micheal Phelps would not be Michael Phelps if there were a proportionate amount of blacks in swimming.
Name me a single great black swimmer.... When I watch some swimming competitions from the TV I rarely see any blacks there, and they all suck bad.

[Euroleague]

It's very well documented in Basketball that speed and vertical play two very important roles, many players are not successful on the next level like they were in college because then NBA is full of physical beats (JJ reddick) for example and they can't be as effective on the next level because they struggle to keep up.

Are attributes like flexibility and hand to eye co-ordination setting teams on fire when they have the chance at landing a John Wall or Blake griffin? (basketball skills and I.Q aside obviously)

The answer is no, so why do I have to explain this when any casual fan already knows this?

Blake Griffin's mom is white.

[Mor'Fiyah]

Just for the record, Brazil winning the WC five times have nothing to do with athleticism but supreme skill instead. Look how they did in the past WC with a team based purely on strength & speed.

The rest of your post is conspiracy non-sense, lots of african players come to the youth soccer schools at an early age. The clubs search for them thus giving the player the proper rights to come at Europe. Also, lots of relevant black players playing in europe comes from France & Netherlands.

The racism thing have nothing to do with club management, the clubs are interested in getting the better players whatever their skin-color is. Racist-incidents on countries like Italy have nothing to do with it.

Ah. Poor you. What proportion of African players get put into the European youth leagues vs European white players? Of those that do get into the European youth leagues, what proportion of them go on to become big time players at big time clubs? Whats the fastest growing demographic in the elite clubs? Look at Chelsea or Arsenal FC 20 years ago and compare those teams to the teams today... notice anything about the demographics? Black players are becoming more and more common in the big clubs and teams because they are superior athletes and WHEN they get the training to develop their fundamentals and technique they are invaluable because in soccer speed kills. None of the European powerhouses and South American teams WANT to play an African team in the World Cup and some of these teams are coming to rely more on more on their black immigrants (France, Spain and even Germany).

[Euroleague]

Soccer is dominated by blacks and is becoming increasingly more so. The vast majority of the top Brazilian players are from African or Amerindian descent. Ivory Coast, Ghana, Nigeria, Cameroon and Senegal amongst other places have a disproportionate amount of players in the top leagues compared to their financial means. Hell a great chunk of the top English, German, Dutch and French players are all of black descent.

People of African descent have dominated the majority of sports that they compete in. Sports that have higher costs of entry and participation have limited them but there is still generally an average or higher level of participation. Baseball is a great example. Hockey and Tennis are both expensive sports to play and it isn't a myth that African-American's are generally poorer than the average white child.

I don't see how anyone can argue that blacks are not more athletic as a race. I think the olympics are as good an indicator as any for that where it is a pure athletic test rather than something that requires more specific training and equipment. Short distance and West African genetics dominate. Long distance and East/Central African genetics dominate.

Black people being more athletic is a stereotype based on fact. Sure there are always exceptions going both ways but the average black has more natural ability than the average white when it comes to athletic skills.

It is the same here in Australia with the Aboriginals. They are more athletic naturally than whites. You can see it clearly by the massively disproportionate numbers they have at the top level of pretty much every sport in which it is feasible for them to compete financially.

Pure myth. This has been extensively studied. There is nothing genetic about it. The difference is caused by diet.

[ALBballer]

Well I tend to agree that Blacks are more athletic, however, agreeing to such a concept opens up a sort of "pandora box." If we take a more controversial issue such as intelligence, can we make similar judgements?

[Mor'Fiyah]

What Bird said is racist. He implies that blacks from the USA are more athletic than everyone else.

Hmmm. Its not entirely a groundless stereotype though. Blacks, particularly African Americans, dominate most sports than involve explosive athleticism and in which they are given a fair shake at succeeding at.

[Slam13]

Ah. Poor you. What proportion of African players get put into the European youth leagues vs European white players? Of those that do get into the European youth leagues, what proportion of them go on to become big time players at big time clubs? Whats the fastest growing demographic in the elite clubs? Look at Chelsea or Arsenal FC 20 years ago and compare those teams to the teams today... notice anything about the demographics? Black players are becoming more and more common in the big clubs and teams because they are superior athletes and WHEN they get the training to develop their fundamentals and technique they are invaluable because in soccer speed kills. None of the European powerhouses and South American teams WANT to play an African team in the World Cup and some of these teams are coming to rely more on more on their black immigrants (France, Spain and even Germany).


Not Spain ... And they are the champions.

[Euroleague]

The ONLY reason soccer is not disproportionately dominated by blacks is because, as far as high profile/big money professional soccer goes, The European leagues disproportionately recruit white players 1. because its easier ... they are European and don't need work visas. 2. because there are still large pockets of racism in Europe and that is one of the big targets of FIFA and 3. because at the grass roots level there are still large discrepancies between the haves and the have nots from a global perspective. Jamaica is primarily a black country but cannot compete with England because they don't have the economy despite having vastly superior athletes.

Its changing though. Note that in Brazil where you have the largest number of blacks outside of Africa has a large number of black players (historically) backed up by resources and tradition and are the greatest soccer nation in the world.

Strange that you mention racism when talking about European soccer.........when the NBA is nearly all black, despite being a league based in a mostly white country.

[Mor'Fiyah]

Well I tend to agree that Blacks are more athletic, however, agreeing to such a concept opens up a sort of "pandora box." If we take a more controversial issue such as intelligence, can we make similar judgements?

No. Scientific research shows that blacks factually develop more fast twitch muscles and leaner muscles than whites. This is a major factor into explosive athleticism. There is no scientific research that implies biological differences in intelligence or brain sizes across race.

[Euroleague]

Just for the record, Brazil winning the WC five times have nothing to do with athleticism but supreme skill instead. Look how they did in the past WC with a team based purely on strength & speed.

The rest of your post is conspiracy non-sense, lots of african players come to the youth soccer schools at an early age. The clubs search for them thus giving the player the proper rights to come at Europe. Also, lots of relevant black players playing in europe comes from France & Netherlands.

The racism thing have nothing to do with club management, the clubs are interested in getting the better players whatever their skin-color is. Racist-incidents on countries like Italy have nothing to do with it.

That poster is just trying to stir up some hate filled arguments. The stuff he is posting is absolutely insulting and ridiculous.

[Slam13]

Hmmm. Its not entirely a groundless stereotype though. Blacks, particularly African Americans, dominate most sports than involve explosive athleticism and in which they are given a fair shake at succeeding at.

All kinds of power lifting disciplines and worlds strongest man competitions have no blacks at all.

[Mor'Fiyah]

Not Spain ... And they are the champions.

Once. In contrast Brazil won the World Cup 5 times.

[Euroleague]

And how does making that point (implied or otherwise) make a person racist?

"American blacks are more athletic than everyone else."

It does not get much more racist than that.

[Mor'Fiyah]

Strange that you mention racism when talking about European soccer.........when the NBA is nearly all black, despite being a league based in a mostly white country.

And? America also is plagued by racism though the dynamics might play out differently. I am Jamaican... I have no subjective bias towards either America or Europe.

[Euroleague]

Peopl are so lost. This is 2010 almost 2011 the President of the USA is Black. Whats with this mind set that blacks are so poor. Hello check the welfare logs there are more whites on welfare than Blacks. My cousin played lacross and rugby sports I never thought about playing. It was more the evironment he grew up in than his skin color. I wasnt exposed to many sports as many other African Americans. My High school didnt have a crew team or golf team or hockey. If it was offered and we had a quality coach does anyone question that at least 1 or 2 would have excelled.Same with basketball if a person has 20 sports to choose from isnt it less likely that all the top atheltes will play just 1 or 2 sports.Its exposure the truth of it isnt how many blacks excell in basketball but how many blacks get left back due to lack of choices who arent elite in basketball.How good would the 3rd string WR be on a lacross team, the 3rd string SF on a volleyball team.

True. What is also true is that Obama is not black, even though you said he was. He is half black and half white. In Europe he would not even be considered "a black man", but in the US he is ONLY considered a black man.

Try thinking about that please. He's not "a black man". He's half white and half black. The mere fact that the US culture dictates he is simply a "black man" is clearly an extreme form of racism.

[Mor'Fiyah]

All kinds of power lifting disciplines and worlds strongest man competitions have no blacks at all.

They have no blacks at all not because blacks are inferior to whites at power lifting... but because blacks simply don't participate in the same proportions. Same with swimming. Same with tennis.

[Euroleague]

Ah. Poor you. What proportion of African players get put into the European youth leagues vs European white players? Of those that do get into the European youth leagues, what proportion of them go on to become big time players at big time clubs? Whats the fastest growing demographic in the elite clubs? Look at Chelsea or Arsenal FC 20 years ago and compare those teams to the teams today... notice anything about the demographics? Black players are becoming more and more common in the big clubs and teams because they are superior athletes and WHEN they get the training to develop their fundamentals and technique they are invaluable because in soccer speed kills. None of the European powerhouses and South American teams WANT to play an African team in the World Cup and some of these teams are coming to rely more on more on their black immigrants (France, Spain and even Germany).

There is no place for racists here. Whether they are white racists or black racists. What you are saying is some clear racist BS.

[Slam13]

They have no blacks at all not because blacks are inferior to whites at power lifting... but because blacks simply don't participate in the same proportions. Same with swimming. Same with tennis.
Okay so let me ask you this; if the black man is physically superior and intelligently equal (as you claim), why does the white man rule the world?

[Mor'Fiyah]

True. What is also true is that Obama is not black, even though you said he was. He is half black and half white. In Europe he would not even be considered "a black man", but in the US he is ONLY considered a black man.

Try thinking about that please. He's not "a black man". He's half white and half black. The mere fact that the US culture dictates he is simply a "black man" is clearly an extreme form of racism.

Obama is what he identifies with (which is black) and what he looks like (which is black). By your logic none of us are black or white. We are all mixed with something.

[Mor'Fiyah]

There is no place for racists here. Whether they are white racists or black racists. What you are saying is some clear racist BS.

Look up the term racist and then get back to me.

[nycelt84]

Are you kidding me? The reason why white people have been dominating the world for the last 500 years (Along with the Chinese) Is because of their superior intelligence over black people. There was a scientific research that showed that black people are intelligently inferior.

There is a reason why some blacks were enslaved in the U.S.


Yes Blacks were enslaved because they are stupid. Inferior Blacks have nothing on the white man. Thanks for the history lesson Hitler.

[Slam13]

Obama is what he identifies with (which is black) and what he looks like (which is black). By your logic none of us are black or white. We are all mixed with something.
The U.S president is a puppet position, he was put there by the white man for population control.

Just face the facts Obama has done absolutely nothing worth mentioning. He is a wall street **********.

[Euroleague]

Well I tend to agree that Blacks are more athletic, however, agreeing to such a concept opens up a sort of "pandora box." If we take a more controversial issue such as intelligence, can we make similar judgements?

First, Bird said AMERICAN blacks are more athletic. Not just blacks. Secondly, as I already said, it is has been proven through research that the muscle twitch fiber difference that some are touting in this thread is caused by DIET.

Yet, several people in this thread are claiming this is a GENETIC difference. So, by definition, what Bird said, and people saying fast muscle twitch fiber differences are "genetic" are both racist statements.

The scary and disturbing part is that most of the people in this forum don;t even seem to realize how racist it is. They are so programmed in their racist indoctrinations.

There is absolute no difference between making those types of comments and saying for example, "Aryans are genetically superior with larger brains."

In the incredibly racist USA, people get torn up over Nazi racist propaganda like that, but consider this "American blacks are genetically superior athletes because of muscle fibers" as perfectly normal fact and get offended if someone points out they are being racist for saying that, which they are, by definition.

This sort of racism is as wrong and unacceptable as the Nazi propaganda and the people that say these things are lowlife scum.

[Euroleague]

Hmmm. Its not entirely a groundless stereotype though. Blacks, particularly African Americans, dominate most sports than involve explosive athleticism and in which they are given a fair shake at succeeding at.

Whites and Asians have higher IQ scores than blacks.

Funny, but I don't recall any white person being able to say, "whites are smarter than blacks" and not being labeled a racist by the black community.

Strange how it's only considered racism by blacks (not to mention some whites) one way.

It's called a double standard. Racism by blacks is considered acceptable in US society. Racism by whites is not. A perfect blend when mixed with the extreme racism that many whites already feel against blacks.

This is extreme racism that goes on in US culture, yet Americans are so quick to point out racism in Europe. ALL of the signs, every single one of them are evident in US culture that were there in Nazi Germany.

US culture has already accepted that it's OK to say something as incredibly racist as "American blacks are more athletic than everyone else". It's heading to Nazi Germany at a rapid rate.

[Slam13]

You can try reading some books because it's obvious you have no knowledge of the Atlantic Slave trade. Just as it's obvious from your last few posts that you are a racist.

I know that the black leaders sold their own people. But why would they do that? Because otherwise the white man would have taken what he wanted by force.

And I am not really a racist, MJ is my favorite athlete, and I haven't talked to a black person in my life because I live in east Europe. But I have nothing against a black person walking on the street.

[Euroleague]

No. Scientific research shows that blacks factually develop more fast twitch muscles and leaner muscles than whites. This is a major factor into explosive athleticism. There is no scientific research that implies biological differences in intelligence or brain sizes across race.

Wrong. It has been proven in numerous studies that American blacks do NOT have any genetic difference in muscle twitch fibers. This is a RACIST ideology and falls under the category of eugenics based racism.

The studies have shown that American blacks tend to have more muscle twitch fibers as a result of dietary differences on average. NOT genetic differences. The fact that this lie and propaganda keeps being touted in the US that it is a GENETIC difference (when it is not) is about as egregious a form of racism (genetic supremacy) as there is in existence.

It's every bit as bad as KKK members and their ideologies against blacks and claiming they are genetically inferior. Blacks claiming they are genetically superior is just as racist in the opposite form.

[Mor'Fiyah]

Okay so let me ask you this; if the black man is physically superior and intelligently equal (as you claim), why does the white man rule the world?

The black man is not physically superior to anyone. Never said that. People all over the world adapt physically to their natural environment. The Kenyans are good long distance runners because their bodies have adapted to the high altitudes giving them significantly larger lungs. West Africans for some reason are blessed with a greater abundance of fast twitch muscles (maybe due to severe hardship and dangerous volatile environments). The Chines in certain areas are small and agile. This is not about skin color and everything about genes and ancestry. African Americans descend from where? West Africa... same as the Brazilians and west Indians. They naturally produce more fast twitch muscles than someone from say Scotland. As a result they tend to also be more athletic with regards to jumping, running, and any other explosive action.

Your rule the world question is irrelevant.

[ZenMaster]

I think it's less about white athleticism and more about the mental hump of living in the U.S. and thinking basketball is a black mans game.

wouldn't that help explain why white-Euro's seem to perform better than the random white dudes like Brian Cardinal? <<--- Beaaaaassstt!!!

Probably has more to do with European clubs being better at developing talent than your local high school.

[Euroleague]

And? America also is plagued by racism though the dynamics might play out differently. I am Jamaican... I have no subjective bias towards either America or Europe.

Because the NBA is by definition racist. Vastly black league in a clear majority white country. It implies bias on your part to lump European soccer across the board in the same boat with the NBA on racial demographics.

The NBA stands alone in terms of such an extremely odd racial divide. i don't even think the NBA's racial makeup would be considered acceptable in most European countries because it would violate discrimination laws.

[Mor'Fiyah]

First, Bird said AMERICAN blacks are more athletic. Not just blacks. Secondly, as I already said, it is has been proven through research that the muscle twitch fiber difference that some are touting in this thread is caused by DIET.

Yet, several people in this thread are claiming this is a GENETIC difference. So, by definition, what Bird said, and people saying fast muscle twitch fiber differences are "genetic" are both racist statements.

The scary and disturbing part is that most of the people in this forum don;t even seem to realize how racist it is. They are so programmed in their racist indoctrinations.

There is absolute no difference between making those types of comments and saying for example, "Aryans are genetically superior with larger brains."

In the incredibly racist USA, people get torn up over Nazi racist propaganda like that, but consider this "American blacks are genetically superior athletes because of muscle fibers" as perfectly normal fact and get offended if someone points out they are being racist for saying that, which they are, by definition.

This sort of racism is as wrong and unacceptable as the Nazi propaganda and the people that say these things are lowlife scum.

Quite the contrary. Fast twitch fibres are mostly hereditary. Go do your research. Or post a link to fast twitch muscles being a product of diet.

[Euroleague]

They have no blacks at all not because blacks are inferior to whites at power lifting... but because blacks simply don't participate in the same proportions. Same with swimming. Same with tennis.

And if someone says less whites are playing basketball you claim it is a "genetic" reason. Now you are entering into extreme eugenics racism and double standards.

[Zan Tabak]

http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm207/yan2malagu/nba%20rookie%20photos/Blake-1.png

He's not white, or black,a race all his own..

[Euroleague]

Quite the contrary. Fast twitch fibres are mostly hereditary. Go do your research. Or post a link to fast twitch muscles being a product of diet.

Racist eugenics propaganda. You are touting racist eugenics propaganda.

"Blacks are genetically superior" is a racist eugenics propaganda and has zero scientific merit.

It is true that American blacks on average have been shown to have denser fast twitch muscle fibers. The reason has been proven to be 100% dietary.

What you and other racists are falsely claiming, that it is an inherited genetic superiority is a lie and is no different than the racist propaganda the Nazi's used in the 1930s and 1940s.

[Euroleague]

Obama is what he identifies with (which is black) and what he looks like (which is black). By your logic none of us are black or white. We are all mixed with something.

More racist posts from you. Obama has said personally that he considers himself half black and half white. He also has expressed that he does not like people like you.

He has said he does not like white racists that "hate me because I look different than them" and also that he does not like black racists that "pretend my mom wasn't a white woman".

According to Obama, he considers you a racist then.

[Euroleague]

Look up the term racist and then get back to me.

Just about everything you have typed in this thread is racist. Don't think you can make such blatantly insulting racist statements as that and get off without being labeled what you are.

[Mor'Fiyah]

Quite the contrary. Fast twitch fibres are mostly hereditary. Go do your research. Or post a link to fast twitch muscles being a product of diet.

Like I said.... do some research - http://www.nerdfitness.com/blog/2009/06/09/fast-twitch-vs-slow-twitch-what-kind-of-muscles-do-you-want/

[Slam13]

More racist posts from you. Obama has said personally that he considers himself half black and half white. He also has expressed that he does not like people like you.

He has said he does not like white racists that "hate me because I look different than them" and also that he does not like black racists that "pretend my mom wasn't a white woman".

According to Obama, he considers you a racist then.

And Obama is the pres. because of population control. The only reason he is in office is because he is half-black and looks kinda black, but also white people can relate to him because of his mom.

[thomaspynchon]

I feel bad for Euroleague. I assume you are European. Your people ruined the world and now you are the biggest liberals and socialists in world history and your own demise has been sealed by the Muslims you have allowed to infiltrate your land by the boatload. It's going to be a shame to see all of France destroyed within a decade.

[Slam13]

I feel bad for Euroleague. I assume you are European. Your people ruined the world and now you are the biggest liberals and socialists in world history and your own demise has been sealed by the Muslims you have allowed to infiltrate your land by the boatload. It's going to be a shame to see all of France destroyed within a decade.
I agree with this, Estonia is untouched from this tho, No muslims or blacks on the streets.

[Mor'Fiyah]

Racist eugenics propaganda. You are touting racist eugenics propaganda.

"Blacks are genetically superior" is a racist eugenics propaganda and has zero scientific merit.

It is true that American blacks on average have been shown to have denser fast twitch muscle fibers. The reason has Bern proven to be 100% dietary.

What you and other racists are falsely claiming, that it is an inherited genetic superiority is a lie and is no different than the racist propaganda the Nazi's used in the 1930s and 1940s.

What about Jamaicans? Nigerians? Kenyans? Do all black's throughout the diaspora have the same diet?

[Euroleague]

You can try reading some books because it's obvious you have no knowledge of the Atlantic Slave trade. Just as it's obvious from your last few posts that you are a racist.

Where is your outrage at all the racist comments here like "blacks are genetically superior to whites athletically"? You yourself are racist if you can't see this.

All this guy is trying to do is point out to you the double standard you are using and how blatant it is. To get so offended at the notion of the white man being smarter than the black man, but to not even mention it when people say the reverse (blacks are physically superior to whites).

Being racist and hypocritical both.

[Slam13]

What about Jamaicans? Nigerians? Kenyans? Do all black's throughout the diaspora have the same diet?

What are Nigerians good at?? They are a huge nation with about 160 million people and yet they suck at everything. Except e-mail scamming.

Jamaica has Usain Bolt and that's it, and Kenyans have long distance runners.

[IGOTGAME]

Why do white people still rule the world tho? Because they are intelligently superior.

And BTW if it wasn't for the white man all you black Americans would still be chucking spears.

I assume you're talking about the general black / white history of the Western Hemisphere for the past couple of hundred years only. Asia is not white and has NEVER been ruled by whites; India is not white and except for a relatively brief period of British colonialism was not ruled by whites. So, looking at the whole world through all history, whites have not ruled the world.

In Europe and the Americas during the past couple of hundred years, especially, of course, during the time of slavery, the only real reason whites have had more financial power (and here I speak of The Other Golden Rule: "them's that got the gold makes the rules") is because the industrial revolution came to the whites before the blacks. In historical terms, it was a blink of an eye, a roll of chance (except for geographical influences such as coal deposits). If the Africans or much more numerous Indians had developed muskets and rifles before Europeans, history would probably be quite a bit different. (Okay, the Chinese had gunpowder and cannons, but they also had a cultural tendency toward isolationism.)

In general then, the only reason whites have so much of the world's power, which is not at all in proportion to their relative numbers, is because they had a few years' head start - a historical blink of the eye, remember - on the industrial revolution. No one race is any better than the others, period.

To second point...

The reason that development of many black nations was stunted was the direct result of European colonialism.

[Euroleague]

The black man is not physically superior to anyone. Never said that. People all over the world adapt physically to their natural environment. The Kenyans are good long distance runners because their bodies have adapted to the high altitudes giving them significantly larger lungs. West Africans for some reason are blessed with a greater abundance of fast twitch muscles (maybe due to severe hardship and dangerous volatile environments). The Chines in certain areas are small and agile. This is not about skin color and everything about genes and ancestry. African Americans descend from where? West Africa... same as the Brazilians and west Indians. They naturally produce more fast twitch muscles than someone from say Scotland. As a result they tend to also be more athletic with regards to jumping, running, and any other explosive action.

Your rule the world question is irrelevant.

Once again, fast twitch muscle fibers difference between white males in the US and black males in the US is on average caused by diet. There is no genetic cause. For you to keep claiming falsely that there is to spout a eugenics based racist ideology and propaganda.

The same exact kind of racist themes the Nazis used against
"Jews" to claim "Aryans" were superior. You are doing the EXACT same form of racism against, just replacing Jews with whites and Aryans with blacks.

[Slam13]

I assume you're talking about the general black / white history of the Western Hemisphere for the past couple of hundred years only. Asia is not white and has NEVER been ruled by whites; India is not white and except for a relatively brief period of British colonialism was not ruled by whites. So, looking at the whole world through all history, whites have not ruled the world.

In Europe and the Americas during the past couple of hundred years, especially, of course, during the time of slavery, the only real reason whites have had more financial power (and here I speak of The Other Golden Rule: "them's that got the gold makes the rules") is because the industrial revolution came to the whites before the blacks. In historical terms, it was a blink of an eye, a roll of chance (except for geographical influences such as coal deposits). If the Africans or much more numerous Indians had developed muskets and rifles before Europeans, history would probably be quite a bit different. (Okay, the Chinese had gunpowder and cannons, but they also had a cultural tendency toward isolationism.)

In general then, the only reason whites have so much of the world's power, which is not at all in proportion to their relative numbers, is because they had a few years' head start - a historical blink of the eye, remember - on the industrial revolution. No one race is any better than the others, period.

To second point...

The reason that development of many black nations was stunted was the direct result of European colonialism.

Yes that was what I was talking about I know the Chinese have always been a power to be reckoned with, they were the ones who invented gunpowder and boats.

But why are there so little black scientists nowadays? They have all the doors open to them in America and Europe. And yet there really aren't any black scientists.

[Euroleague]

I feel bad for Euroleague. I assume you are European. Your people ruined the world and now you are the biggest liberals and socialists in world history and your own demise has been sealed by the Muslims you have allowed to infiltrate your land by the boatload. It's going to be a shame to see all of France destroyed within a decade.

So you would rather cling to racism and isolationism rather than learn to play nice with others.

[ZenMaster]

Wrong. It has been proven in numerous studies that American blacks do NOT have any genetic difference in muscle twitch fibers. This is a RACIST ideology and falls under the category of eugenics based racism.

The studies have shown that American blacks tend to have more muscle twitch fibers as a result of dietary differences on average. NOT genetic differences. The fact that this lie and propaganda keeps being touted in the US that it is a GENETIC difference (when it is not) is about as egregious a form of racism (genetic supremacy) as there is in existence.

It's every bit as bad as KKK members and their ideologies against blacks and claiming they are genetically inferior. Blacks claiming they are genetically superior is just as racist in the opposite form.

No links Lakas Yo

[Euroleague]

What about Jamaicans? Nigerians? Kenyans? Do all black's throughout the diaspora have the same diet?

Yes. The evidence is clear that the difference is caused by diet in all those groups. In fact, the same , the SAME effect is true amongst white males with the same diet.

White males with a similar diet have the same density of fast twitch muscle fibers as blacks do.

[Slam13]

So you would rather cling to racism and isolationism rather than learn to play nice with others.

The Muslims get offended by any criticism towards Islam, that is a violation of freedom of speech.

[thomaspynchon]

So you would rather cling to racism and isolationism rather than learn to play nice with others.

No but two wrongs don't make a right. It's amazing that Europeans, who created the greatest civilization in world history, have degenerated into, for lack of better word, complete pusssies. The German chancellor admitted recently that diversity in the country was a total failure. You need to understand that liberalism is a mental illness grounded in emotion rather than rationality.

[ZenMaster]

Yes. The evidence is clear that the difference is caused by diet in all those groups. In fact, the same , the SAME effect is true amongst white males with the same diet.

White males with a similar diet have the same density of fast twitch muscle fibers as blacks do.

Could you show me this diet?

Because I'd LOVE to get my whole team on that!

[Slam13]

No but two wrongs don't make a right. It's amazing that Europeans, who created the greatest civilization in world history, have degenerated into, for lack of better word, complete pusssies. The German chancellor admitted recently that diversity in the country was a total failure. You need to understand that liberalism is a mental illness grounded in emotion rather than rationality.
I agree with this, thankfully I live in Estonia and there is no "multikulti" here.

[IGOTGAME]

Could you show me this diet?

Because I'd LOVE to get my whole team on that!

haha, I honestly find this diet thing hilarious. So if you eat lots of fried chicken and kool-aid you jump higher?

[Slam13]

haha, I honestly find this diet thing hilarious. So if you eat lots of fried chicken and kool-aid you jump higher?
Watermelons and weed!

[thomaspynchon]

I agree with this, thankfully I live in Estonia and there is no "multikulti" here.

Sounds like paradise. I think the Aussies are starting to understand this as well.

[Euroleague]

The Muslims get offended by any criticism towards Islam, that is a violation of freedom of speech.

Muslims don't have any say in European countries. Anyone that thinks they do is falling for right wing propaganda. No different than Muslim right wing propaganda in the Mideast.

[Niquesports]

Yes that was what I was talking about I know the Chinese have always been a power to be reckoned with, they were the ones who invented gunpowder and boats.

But why are there so little black scientists nowadays? They have all the doors open to them in America and Europe. And yet there really aren't any black scientists.

You really need to stop looking at Tv.It's sad how uniformed you are no wonder you have such racist thoughts.There are scientist in Africa that would put the US medical industry to shame. They have found cures for HIV when can barely trEAT hiv.The foundations of scientist comes from Africa. People(evil whites not all whites) spent 500 years preventing blacks from learning thats how powerful they knew a educated blak man could be. Thats how much fear they had in the ability of a black man and knowledge. Even in America look at the great stides that have been made in scientist by blacks Do you need a lesson. IF you are uneducated to facts than yes you come off as a racist black or white.

[Euroleague]

Could you show me this diet?

Because I'd LOVE to get my whole team on that!

You can look it up on the internet. It's very obvious actually and in fact it's what most body builders usually are on.

If you really want to know, just think in your mind what foods black Americans usually eat and there is your answer right there.

[thomaspynchon]

Muslims don't have any say in European countries. Anyone that thinks they do is falling for right wing propaganda. No different than Muslim right wing propaganda in the Mideast.

They are going to be the majority in Scandinavia by 2025. Especially since the whites do not reproduce.

[Euroleague]

You really need to stop looking at Tv.It's sad how uniformed you are no wonder you have such racist thoughts.There are scientist in Africa that would put the US medical industry to shame. They have found cures for HIV when can barely trEAT hiv.The foundations of scientist comes from Africa. People(evil whites not all whites) spent 500 years preventing blacks from learning thats how powerful they knew a educated blak man could be. Thats how much fear they had in the ability of a black man and knowledge. Even in America look at the great stides that have been made in scientist by blacks Do you need a lesson. IF you are uneducated to facts than yes you come off as a racist black or white.

What you say is true. So how come you can point out these things but you can't recognize racism when someone says "blacks are genetically athletically superior to whites".

Those evil scientists that spread HIV in Africa............there is no difference in that from teaching other people that black people are athletically superior to whites. One step from that and blacks would justify making a disease to eliminate whites.

The fact that in the US it is now considered basic fact that blacks are "genetically athletically superior" to whites is scary because it means the US is very close to the same types of ethnic cleansing as what has gone in Africa.

And when this type of sick culture starts like it has in the US, anyone that does not have a government job and that includes black NBA fans will be rounded up on a whim for whatever reason. Remember blacks have lower IQ scores than whites so then ethnic cleansing is "justified".

Just like the white corporations justify ethnic cleansing against blacks in Africa because they are "savages". It's no different.

[Jasi]

I agree with this, thankfully I live in Estonia and there is no "multikulti" here.

Man, I didn't know xenophobia had spread so far to even reach the furthest and most meaningless corner of European mainland.

[Niquesports]

So you would rather cling to racism and isolationism rather than learn to play nice with others.
Through history when have whites played nice? Every land they have gone to it was in war and take over. Oppression is what they have done all through time

[Euroleague]

They are going to be the majority in Scandinavia by 2025. Especially since the whites do not reproduce.

This is pure eugenics racist BS. It's not even genetically possible. The pure Nordic race is never ever recessive. You are being totally brainwashed by right wing fascism in the US.

[Slam13]

They are going to be the majority in Scandinavia by 2025. Especially since the whites do not reproduce.
That's just sad... what the hell are the vikings thinking?

[Slam13]

Man, I didn't know xenophobia had spread so far to even reach the furthest and most meaningless corner of European mainland.

They abuse the system, especially in Sweden where they can just live on welfare and live on other people's money, also they riot and rape.

[Euroleague]

Through history when have whites played nice? Every land they have gone to it was in war and take over. Oppression is what they have done all through time


You are confusing race for the economic powers. It is the economic powers that be that have done this. These economic powers have been killed off by blacks, Asians, and whites as well.

[thomaspynchon]

This is pure eugenics racist BS. It's not even genetically possible. The pure Nordic race is never ever recessive. You are being totally brainwashed by right wing fascism in the US.

What the hell are you talking about? This is simple published and verifiable statistical information that is readily available to anyone. It would be saying that the population of west virginia is 600,322 (a stated fact)--how can that possibly be eugenics bs???

Fact: Muslims have many children. Fact: white Europeans have a negative growth rate. Result: Muslims will be majority in countries such as Sweden within 10-15 years. They are entire towns now in Sweden that are 100% Muslim.

Are you in college? Seems like the liberals are brainwashing you, man. Thats what they do to young kids these days. And I am nowhere near the right wing. I just recognize that liberalism is a mental illness.

[Euroleague]

That's just sad... what the hell are the vikings thinking?

It's not true. It's just more of the fantasy world that the US has created.

[Slam13]

This is pure eugenics racist BS. It's not even genetically possible. The pure Nordic race is never ever recessive. You are being totally brainwashed by right wing fascism in the US.
The vikings are not recessive, they are stable, the population is growing almost entirely on immigrants.

[Euroleague]

What the hell are you talking about? This is simple published and verifiable statistical information that is readily available to anyone. It would be saying that the population of west virginia is 600,322 (a stated fact)--how can that possibly be eugenics bs???

Fact: Muslims have many children. Fact: white Europeans have a negative growth rate. Result: Muslims will be majority in countries such as Sweden within 10-15 years. They are entire towns now in Sweden that are 100% Muslim.

Are you in college? Seems like the liberals are brainwashing you, man. Thats what they do to young kids these days. And I am nowhere near the right wing. I just recognize that liberalism is a mental illness.

I'm talking about that you don;t what the hell you are talking about. You are brainwashed by right wing propaganda. None of that is true and it's not even genetically possible to be true.

The pure Nordic race is never ever recessive. Don't cite books to me that are just pure lies and BS. Not one thing there is even remotely true. there is virtually non chance in hell that Mideast races would remove the Nordic blood line through sex.

Anyone that makes such a claim is a liar.

The population of Nordic countries is not going to be overrun with Arabs or whatever. Simply because they will be assimilated.

[Euroleague]

The vikings are not recessive, they are stable, the population is growing almost entirely on immigrants.

This is all from the economic controllers. It's called fear mongering. Make people angry and hit them in their pockets. Then give them a scape goat, then give then an enemy.

[Slam13]

I'm talking about that you don;t what the hell you are talking about. You are brainwashed by right wing propaganda. None of that is true and it's not even genetically possible to be true.

The pure Nordic race is never ever recessive. Don't cite books to me that are just pure lies and BS. Not one thing there is even remotely true. there is virtually non chance in hell that Mideast races would remove the Nordic blood line through sex.

Anyone that makes such a claim is a liar.

They are not recessive they are stable. and Also that is what I am being teached at school.............in Estonia. I have been to every country in Scandinavia except Iceland, and I gotta say there are quite many foreign looking people.

[Jasi]

He's not talking about "removing a blood line through sex", he's just talking about them becoming more numerous than Scandinavians according to current growth rate trends.

[bdreason]

3 of the past 6 NBA MVP's were white. NBA can't do much more than that, I think people are already getting suspicious. :D

[Euroleague]

He's not talking about "removing a blood line through sex", he's just talking about them becoming more numerous than Scandinavians according to current growth rate trends.

The math is BS and untrue. It's all right wing propaganda. It's amazing that people can believe such ridiculous crap as that. Muslims taking over Sweden's population through immigration.

It's BS. It's written by people that want to make stupid people agree to allow the wealthy elite to have total control of everything.

"Oh no the dirty camel jockeys are going to outnumber us". And then you get the uneducated bigoted fools to agree to whatever laws the corporations deem will solve this problem.

[ZenMaster]

You can look it up on the internet. It's very obvious actually and in fact it's what most body builders usually are on.

If you really want to know, just think in your mind what foods black Americans usually eat and there is your answer right there.

Couldn't find anything, post me a link yo?

[Slam13]

3 of the past 6 NBA MVP's were white. NBA can't do much more than that, I think people are already getting suspicious. :D
Nash winning it twice is still one person...

[Yuki Nagato]

Couldn't find anything, post me a link yo?

:oldlol: :oldlol:

[Euroleague]

Couldn't find anything, post me a link yo?

Chicken. The more chicken you eat, the denser your fast twitch muscle fibers are. Whites that eat the same amount of chicken as blacks in the US have on average the same density of fast twitch muscle fibers.

[Jasi]

The math is BS and untrue. It's all right wing propaganda. It's amazing that people can believe such ridiculous crap as that. Muslims taking over Sweden's population through immigration.

It's BS. It's written by people that want to make stupid people agree to allow the wealthy elite to have total control of everything.

"Oh no the dirty camel jockeys are going to outnumber us". And then you get the uneducated bigoted fools to agree to whatever laws the corporations deem will solve this problem.

I am not stating that, I don't even know what those numbers are.
I just cleared it up for you because I thought he meant something different from what you were talking about.
Go on between yourselves.

[ZenMaster]

Chicken. The more chicken you eat, the denser your fast twitch muscle fibers are. Whites that eat the same amount of chicken as blacks in the US have on average the same density of fast twitch muscle fibers.

Does this only work in the US, or is Euro chicken OK as well?

[NoName22]

I Knew euro crackas will take over this thread :facepalm

Why do we always get a thread like this each month or so ?

[Jasi]

Does this only work in the US, or is Euro chicken OK as well?

I think it only works if you add Wendy's fries in...

[ZenMaster]

I think it only works if you add Wendy's fries in...

Wouldn't surprise me if he said it haha

[Slam13]

The math is BS and untrue. It's all right wing propaganda. It's amazing that people can believe such ridiculous crap as that. Muslims taking over Sweden's population through immigration.

It's BS. It's written by people that want to make stupid people agree to allow the wealthy elite to have total control of everything.

"Oh no the dirty camel jockeys are going to outnumber us". And then you get the uneducated bigoted fools to agree to whatever laws the corporations deem will solve this problem.

The immigrants can be a problem when they abuse the system and live on welfare, riot, and rape the locals.

[Euroleague]

Does this only work in the US, or is Euro chicken OK as well?

Chicken in general works. Of course in addition to the chicken itself in the US the chicken is loaded with HGH and steroids. So the US chicken is more potent.

Basically, the chicken itself provides a lot of protein and material to build the fibers and the HGH and steroids that you consume when eating the chicken spurns the muscles to grow, divide, multiply and get denser.

On average, black people in the US eat much, much, much more chicken than whites in the US do, which accounts for the main reason why black Americans are thought of as being better "run and jump athletes". It's simply because they consume more of the material that builds the fast twitch muscle fibers in their diets.

There is nothing genetic at all about it. Someone in the family eating the same diet is not a gene being passed on and it works because of the diet and not on its own.

White athletes with a similar diet have the same density of the fast twitch muscle.

So if the Euro chickens you eat get the HGH and steroids it works the same way. And again, the chicken itself naturally provides the boost for the fast twitch muscles.

Lots of people in Europe eat chicken from the farm though and not from the processing plant like most people in the US.

[Euroleague]

The immigrants can be a problem when they abuse the system and live on welfare, riot, and rape the locals.

Your point?

[Rose]

fact of the matter is...AMMO is our only hope!:banana: :banana: :banana:

[ZenMaster]

So this is what you came up with Lakas? Post a link, I dare you :oldlol:

http://www.ifranchisemalaysia.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/chicken-king-pic1.jpg

For the win!

[justin43]

So this is what you came up with Lakas? Post a link, I dare you :oldlol:

http://www.ifranchisemalaysia.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/chicken-king-pic1.jpg

For the win!

:applause: :applause: :applause:

Seriously, what are the mods doing? I read this thread and saw a lot of baseless claims with no links and hints of, sometimes blatant, racist claims. As for the thread topic, I guess the NBA can use a few white superstars, but personally, I don't care. Anyone who is good in basketball is welcome to play in the NBA.

[bdreason]

No Links Yo really lost his mind after the FIBA WC.

[Avon Barksdale]

Chicken. The more chicken you eat, the denser your fast twitch muscle fibers are. Whites that eat the same amount of chicken as blacks in the US have on average the same density of fast twitch muscle fibers.

:roll: Maybe we should start eating Cheetah, then we'll be really fast. :oldlol:

Canadian scientists, Drs. J. Simoneau and C. Bouchard, have estimated that 40% of the variance of fiber type is due to environmental influences (i.e. exercise) while 45% is associated with genetic factors. The person born with more fast twitch muscle fibers will always have an advantage over a person born with more slow twitch. If I have 50% white (fast twitch), and 50% red (slow twitch), I can train to outperform someone with 75% white, 25% red in speed and explosiveness. But if he does the same training and nutrition, he will outperform me. No amount of training or chicken eating will turn JJ Redick into Dywane Wade.

People of West African descent have several advantages that make them better suited for explosive speed sports. Higher ratio of fast twitch muscle fibers, body type (higher calf insertion points, skinny wastes, long arms), smaller, more efficient lungs, etc. The same traits that make them terrible distance runners. The scientific data on this, along with the empirical evidence from sports and sprinting is so overwhelming that it is mind boggling to me that anyone can even argue it.

"Athletes of West African descent dominate sports requiring speed and jumping, such as basketball and football. They hold the fastest two hundred 100-meter times, all under 10 seconds, and 494 of the top 500 times. In last weekend's NFL draft, of the 69 players who ran the 40-yard dash in 4.5 seconds or less, only one is white."

http://www.jonentine.com/reviews/AOL_Why_Race_Matters.htm

Think about that...people from all over the world compete in sprinting, and yet, a population that represents 1/8 of the world's population holds all of the top 200 times. If every population were equally disposed to sprinting, the odds of that happening are astronomically low.

This isn't even debatable.

[Jasi]

Think about that...people from all over the world compete in sprinting, and yet, a population that represents 1/8 of the world's population holds all of the top 200 times. If every population were equally disposed to sprinting, the odds of that happening are astronomically low.

This isn't even debatable.

And that is clearly only due to McChicken.

[Killer_Instinct]

:oldlol: :oldlol: Thats the biggest lie i ever heard. Go to any high school and the majority of the players are white


That, like many things, depends on your location.

[Avon Barksdale]

And that is clearly only due to McChicken.

I'm eating some chicken right now. :banana: Look out Usain Bolt.

[Mor'Fiyah]

What are Nigerians good at?? They are a huge nation with about 160 million people and yet they suck at everything. Except e-mail scamming.

Jamaica has Usain Bolt and that's it, and Kenyans have long distance runners.

Nigerians have exceptional sprinters and they only lose because they are beaten by the Caribbean and American runners. Jamaica does not ONLY have Usain Bolt. For a nation of 2.5 million people Jamaica has a disproportionate amount of medals in track and field and Bolt most certainly did not get all of them. In fact, historically Jamaica has long been dominating track and field before Bolt even came along. Jamaica is one of the highest nations in the world when it comes to per capita olympic medals.

[Nevaeh]

How the hell did a thread about the NBA needing white players turn into one about twitch fibers, fried chicken and slavery? The bottom line is this. If a white player comes along who can capture the imagination of fans with the perfect balance of style, speed and efficiency, people will show him love.

As it stands right now, white players simply play a boring style that doesn't really intrigue people. If I can see that same style of play at the YMCA, why the hell would i drop 300 plus dollars to see it in the NBA?

That same style is the same one that almost sent the league under in the first place. It was the high fliers and flashy Brothers that actually saved the league from going under. That's not a slam against white players, that's just the truth. Fans want a bit of cinematic drama when they watch a game. Unfortunately set passes and catch and shoot styles simply don't cut it.

[Avon Barksdale]

They have no blacks at all not because blacks are inferior to whites at power lifting... but because blacks simply don't participate in the same proportions. Same with swimming. Same with tennis.

There are a ton of black power lifters, you just don't see them at the elite levels. Ronnie Coleman was a very good power lifter before he switched to bodybuilding, but he would have never been elite. The Baltic/Eastern European/Scandinavian areas produce the best power lifters just like West Africa produces the best sprinters and East Africa produces the best marathon runners.

[catch24]

So the more chicken I eat, the closer I'll be to outjumping LeBron in the NBA.

Thanks for the insight Lakas Fan. Will raid KFC asap.

[eliteballer]

The white athletes are out there, see Brent Barry.

[NoName22]

So the more chicken I eat, the closer I'll be to outjumping LeBron in the NBA.

Thanks for the insight Lakas Fan. Will raid KFC asap.

Don't forget, as suggested our dear friend Slam13, watermelon & weed.

[Mor'Fiyah]

Once again, fast twitch muscle fibers difference between white males in the US and black males in the US is on average caused by diet. There is no genetic cause. For you to keep claiming falsely that there is to spout a eugenics based racist ideology and propaganda.

The same exact kind of racist themes the Nazis used against
"Jews" to claim "Aryans" were superior. You are doing the EXACT same form of racism against, just replacing Jews with whites and Aryans with blacks.

And yet you cannot post any scientific evidence that points to diet and fibre being the main factor in the difference in muscle make up between people of different races.

In stark contrast, I can do quite the opposite...

http://run-down.com/guests/je_black_athletes_p2.php

"The Story Behind the Amazing Success of Black Athletes, by Jon Entine

PART II:
Shattering Racist Myths: The Science Behind Why Kenyans Dominate Distance Running

Even a casual mention that meaningful genetic differences exist between populations can ignite a firestorm and threaten a career. Ask Jimmy "the Greek" Snyder. Or Roger Bannister, the first man to break the four-minute barrier in the mile, in 1954. In a speech before the British Association for the Advancement of Science in 1995, Sir Roger Bannister, the distinguished neurologist and retired Oxford dean was showered with ridicule for venturing his opinion "as a scientist rather than a sociologist" that all athletes are not created equal. "I am prepared to risk political incorrectness," he said, "by drawing attention to the seemingly obvious but under stressed fact that black sprinters and black athletes in general all seem to have certain natural anatomical advantages."

That's the explosive "N" word - natural. Because of the pseudo-science that has historically plagued research into human differences, assertions that biology predetermines or even significantly influences human behavior runs into a wall of political incorrectness. That's the politics.

While everyone readily accepts that evolution has turned out blacks with a genetic proclivity to contract sickle cell and Jews of European heritage who are 100 times more likely than other populations to be afflicted with the degenerative mental disease Tay-Sachs, it is widely perceived as racist to suggest that blacks of West African ancestry have evolved into the world's best sprinters, Asians among the best divers, East Africans the premier distance runners, and whites the top weightlifters.

Yet the science is quite clear and the empirical evidence consistent and overwhelming. A look at the ancestry (or home country) of runners holding the top 100 times in eight distances, from the 100 meters to the marathon, makes it clear that African domination is deep as well as broad:

Blacks who trace their ancestry to West Africa, including African Americans, hold more than 95 percent of the top times in sprinting;
Whites are virtually absent from the top ranks of sprinting; though whites have traditionally done well in the longer endurance races, particularly the marathon, their ranks have thinned in recent years;
Athletes from one country, Kenya, make up more than one-third of top times in middle and long distance races; including top performances by other East Africans (most from Ethiopia), that domination swells to almost 50 percent.
North Africans do well at middle distances;
Mexicans (Native Americans), are strongest at the longest races, 10,000 meters and the marathon;
East Asians are competitive only at the event requiring the most endurance, the marathon, and at ultra-marathons.

Why do athletes of African ancestry dominate running? Whereas the West African population evolved in the lowlands, East Africans (who are relatively slow sprinters but the world's best distance runners) trace their ancestry to mountainous terrain. Kenya, with 28 million people, is the powerhouse. It is a genetic stew, with studies indicating a mixture of genes from invading Arabs and Middle Easterners. One tiny district, the Nandi, with only 500,000 people, sweeps an unfathomable 20 percent of major international distance events, marking it as the greatest concentration of raw athletic talent in the history of sports. "

[Mor'Fiyah]

You can look it up on the internet. It's very obvious actually and in fact it's what most body builders usually are on.

If you really want to know, just think in your mind what foods black Americans usually eat and there is your answer right there.

SMH... lol... why don't you just post the blasted diet!

Lets just end this right here. You can DEVELOP your fast twitch muscles or your slow twitch muscles through training and/or diet. But this is not enough to overcome the genetic disposition of some people to have 80% fast twitch and 20% slow twitch and vice versa. More than likely if you aren't born that way you won't be able to eat or train yourself to that point. Please explain why throughout history not one single caucasian man has gone faster than 10 seconds in the 100m sprint.

[Mor'Fiyah]

Chicken. The more chicken you eat, the denser your fast twitch muscle fibers are. Whites that eat the same amount of chicken as blacks in the US have on average the same density of fast twitch muscle fibers.

Holy crap! And I am racist?!?! So lets get this straight: by implying that blacks are better athletes than whites merely by virtue of eating more fried chicken, you are not implying that all blacks eat more chicken than whites?

Lemme go call KFC...

[Mor'Fiyah]

This isn't even debatable.

Which is what I thought at first... until... someone came up with the fried chicken theory. Which of course was not in the least bit racist. Its pretty obvious that blacks have a hankering for fried chicken.

[Avon Barksdale]

Please explain why throughout history not one single caucasian man has gone faster than 10 seconds in the 100m sprint.

Actually that's no longer true, a white guy named Christophe Lemaitre from France broke it this year at 9.98, then again at 9.97. He's only 20 or 21 and still pretty raw, he has a lot of potential.

Guys like him are rare exceptions though.

[Mor'Fiyah]

Actually that's no longer true, a white guy named Christophe Lemaitre from France broke it this year at 9.98, then again at 9.97. He's only 20 or 21 and still pretty raw, he has a lot of potential.

Guys like him are rare exceptions though.

I stand corrected. ONE white guy only just broke the 10 second barrier... Compare that to how many blacks have broken the 10 second barrier in how many years of sprinting.

Never heard of the guy. Oh wait... just wikipedia-ed him and he is the second European to break the barrier. Maian Woronin from Poland did it once apparently. So that makes TWO.

[Jasi]

I stand corrected. ONE white guy only just broke the 10 second barrier... Compare that to how many blacks have broken the 10 second barrier in how many years of sprinting.

Never heard of the guy. Oh wait... just wikipedia-ed him and he is the second European to break the barrier. Maian Woronin from Poland did it once apparently. So that makes TWO.

Two, both fond of chicken.

[Mor'Fiyah]

Two, both fond of chicken.

Holy... I just checked it out... but that Lemeitre French kid is Colonel Sanders' illegitimate son!

[Niquesports]

Which is what I thought at first... until... someone came up with the fried chicken theory. Which of course was not in the least bit racist. Its pretty obvious that blacks have a hankering for fried chicken.
I took a poll there are more whites in trailer parks than blacks in hoods maybe thats why whites are better at Hockey and they love there Budwiser

[Rowe]

Which is what I thought at first... until... someone came up with the fried chicken theory. Which of course was not in the least bit racist. Its pretty obvious that blacks have a hankering for fried chicken.

Not exactly fried chicken, but chicken is a staple of African American cuisine. No denying that.

But lets be honest here, the real reason behind people believing African Americans are superior athletes is due to so many African Americans being involved in football/basketball from an early age.

Why is it that most White professional athletes come from wealthy backgrounds due to a former athlete/coach as their parent or come from poverty? Middle class Whites dont pursue athletics as a career, and middle class Whites are the largest economic group amongst Whites.

[Rowe]

The NBA needs a White superstar as much as Baseball needs a Black superstar.

[Mor'Fiyah]

Not exactly fried chicken, but chicken is a staple of African American cuisine. No denying that.

But lets be honest here, the real reason behind people believing African Americans are superior athletes is due to so many African Americans being involved in football/basketball from an early age.

Why is it that most White professional athletes come from wealthy backgrounds due to a former athlete/coach as their parent or come from poverty? Middle class Whites dont pursue athletics as a career, and middle class Whites are the largest economic group amongst Whites.

And yet there are still more poor whites than poor blacks. So how does that work again? Are we really going to go back to the chicken theory?

[thejumpa]

The NBA needs more? Last I checked, they don't have one now.

And FWIW, Bird is right. From a purely athletic standpoint, Blacks have to be at the top of the list. We are born with the physical advantages that put us ahead of other people in certain sports. Long arms, big hands, low BF, tall, ability to put on muscle quickly, be durable, jump, run fast, etc. That's a fact.

[Jasi]

I wonder if vegetarian black superstars exist... :lol

[50inchvertical]

I wonder if vegetarian black superstars exist... :lol
White people don't eat chicken? Chicken makes you jump higher? The extent of stupidity on internet msg boards knows no bounds

[Mor'Fiyah]

White people don't eat chicken? Chicken makes you jump higher? The extent of stupidity on internet msg boards knows no bounds

I know right. Everyone knows its PORK that makes people jump high...

[Jasi]

White people don't eat chicken? Chicken makes you jump higher? The extent of stupidity on internet msg boards knows no bounds

I'd like it to be my theory but unfortunately I am not that creative :D

PS Judging from your username you're a KFC lover!

[PowerGlove]

Okay, so now Blake Griffin is white?:oldlol:

[Mor'Fiyah]

I'd like it to be my theory but unfortunately I am not that creative :D

PS Judging from your username you're a KFC lover!

LOL

[thejumpa]

Okay, so now Blake Griffin is white?:oldlol:

I was thinking the same thing. Dude looks black as hell to me:oldlol:

[sayitaintso]

You guys can have Blake Griffin :confusedshrug:
We'll just make sure he cuts his nappy hair on gameday

We will treat him like he's one of us....except he can jump, we can't.

[sayitaintso]

I was thinking the same thing. Dude looks black as hell to me:oldlol:

He's lighter than Obama.

http://www.thelostogle.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/blakegriffin7_11150.jpg

and Blake's dad been with him his whole life.

[RoseCity07]

I don't think I've ever thought, "Man, I'd love basketball even more if Jordan's skin was white". That is something that would only appeal to the racist demographic.

Now days it seems most white players taken early in the draft get the "great white hope" label. Only one in the league actually looking to meet expectations is Kevin Love.

This league doesn't need a white superstar. It just needs more talent distribution period. It's always the same few teams signing older vets for a title run.

[thejumpa]

He's lighter than Obama.

and Blake's dad been with him his whole life.

Obama and Griffin are both black. Get mad clown.

[Jasi]

The NBA needs more? Last I checked, they don't have one now.


There's a white superstar who plays in Dallas, and one who is also American and plays in Phoenix.

[thejumpa]

There's a white superstar who plays in Dallas, and one who is also American and plays in Phoenix.

True...I totally forgot. My mistake.

[Rowe]

Okay, so now Blake Griffin is white?:oldlol:

This. :oldlol:

Blake & Taylor Griffin's father:

http://s3.amazonaws.com/newsok-photos/572858/medium.jpg


Yes, he has no eyebrows.

[sayitaintso]

Obama and Griffin are both black. Get mad clown.

Michael Jackson
http://www.accesshollywood.com/content/images/12/400x400bd/12429_mj-leaves-court-with-his-parents-katherine-and-joe-2005.jpg

Obama, his dad took his talent elsewhere
http://www.vimooz.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/obama_mom.jpg

Blake Griffin
http://www.nba.com/media/clippers/bgpc_090629_4.jpg

^Blake closer to his mom than dad, real (skin) talk.

[thejumpa]

lol@you searching the net to find pictures. Everyone knows what these dudes look like. They are all black. Sorry try again.

[Dwade305]

Caron Butler spent about his first 4 years eating breakfast and dinner at Mcdonalds. A ****ing professorial athlete ate Mickey D's day in and out and was top10 at his position, in one of the most physically demanding sports.


MOtha****ing black people and their genetics........:applause:

[StacksOnDeck]

Blake is black. Rest of the world thinks he's black. If you have one drop of black in you, you're black. It's no secret most mixed children/people relate to being black than white because they were treated as being black from their peers and society.

[Rowe]

Blake Griffin's oldest brother:

http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/tul/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/p-griffin041793.jpg

Tommy Jr.

[sayitaintso]

lol@you searching the net to find pictures. Everyone knows what these dudes look like. They are all black. Sorry try again.

Blake Griffin with white chicks
http://misterirrelevant.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/blake-griffin-and-some-girls.jpg

Blake Griffin during 2009 draft day under number 20. Check for comparison, compare him to the guy on his right.
http://blog.newsok.com/thunderrumblings/files/2009/10/DraftClass-532x377.jpg

[Jasi]

Well I don't know but he probably meant that while MJ's parents were both black, so he can be considered black (despite his artificial de-colouring), Obama's and Griffin's mothers are white, so that they can be defined mulattos.
Like Jason Kidd IIRC.

But still, they're definitely not white :D

[Rowe]

Caron Butler spent about his first 4 years eating breakfast and dinner at Mcdonalds. A ****ing professorial athlete ate Mickey D's day in and out and was top10 at his position, in one of the most physically demanding sports.


MOtha****ing black people and their genetics........:applause:

Ocho Cinco does the same. Actually its a great meal to eat due to the carbohydrates if you're an athlete.

Both guys work out hard so it gives them the energy they need. Eating McDonalds 24/7 without working out has ruined the careers & lives of dozens of NFL/NBA players. Regardless of genetics.:oldlol:

[Rowe]

Well I don't know but he probably meant that while MJ's parents were both black, so he can be considered black (despite his artificial de-colouring), Obama's and Griffin's mothers are white, so that they can be defined mulattos.
Like Jason Kidd IIRC.

But still, they're definitely not white :D

Unfortunately there is a "1 drop rule" stuck in the minds of us Americans if you're biracial of African American & Caucasian. Its just a product of the long hatred between some people of each race towards the other.

A White guy gets 0 flack for marrying an Asian woman and then having biracial kids, but a Black guy gets a lot of flack for marrying a White woman and then having black kids.

I see plenty of White/Asian people who are considered biracial who dont even know what the 1 drop rule is.

[NewYorkNoPicks]

Bird is right though. It's a simple and very obvious observation.... Blacks tend to be more athletic than whites, no big deal. I had read a study a while ago that tested different races in certain categories such as IQ, testosterone, amongst other characteristics that may help explain some things. Blacks were found to have between 10 and 15% higher testosterone levels than whites (the group with the 2nd highest levels). So maybe the extra testosterone makes them more athletic? Anyway, don't know how accurate that study was but it was interesting.

I do think there probably are more Blacks who actually pursue a career in sports than whites, because of the lack of other opportunities, so that may contribute to the racial disparity in the NBA. Either way though, that shouldn't skew the notion of blacks being more athletic.

[thejumpa]

Well I don't know but he probably meant that while MJ's parents were both black, so he can be considered black (despite his artificial de-colouring), Obama's and Griffin's mothers are white, so that they can be defined mulattos.
Like Jason Kidd IIRC.

But still, they're definitely not white :D

No one says mulatto anymore. That's some old, politically incorrect shit lol. Kidd,Obama,Griffin,Christie...those dudes are black.

[Jasi]

No one says mulatto anymore. That's some old, politically incorrect shit lol. Kidd,Obama,Griffin,Christie...those dudes are black.

Maybe old but technically still correct.
But I didn't know about the 1 drop rule... interesting stuff :cheers:

[Rowe]

Blake Griffin
http://www.nba.com/media/clippers/bgpc_090629_4.jpg

^Blake closer to his mom than dad, real (skin) talk.

OK, since we know you want Blake for your own.

I propose we make a race trade.

The Black race will trade you Blake Griffin & the rights to Austin Rivers' race in exchange for Birdman Anderson, Yelawolf, & the rights to Halle Berry's daughter's race.

[sayitaintso]

No one says mulatto anymore. That's some old, politically incorrect shit lol. Kidd,Obama,Griffin,Christie...those dudes are black.

Blake Griffin is not black. His skin complexion is closer to his mom than his dad. Based on that observation, he's the same color as his mom, white.

Obama, on the hand, skin complexion is closer to his father than his mother, therefore, he's the same color as his dad, black.

Doug Christie, whatever his wife wants.

Jason Kidd, i don't know...i never matched him to his mom or dad.

[Jasi]

OK, since we know you want Blake for your own.

I propose we make a race trade.

The Black race will trade you Blake Griffin & the rights to Austin Rivers' race in exchange for Birdman Anderson, Yelawolf, & the rights to Halle Berry's daughter's race.
:oldlol:

[thejumpa]

Blake Griffin is not black. His skin complexion is closer to his mom than his dad. Based on that observation, he's the same color as his mom, white.

Obama, on the hand, skin complexion is closer to his father than his mother, therefore, he's the same color as his dad, black.

Doug Christie, whatever his wife wants.

Jason Kidd, i don't know...i never matched him to his mom or dad.

You need to step your troll game up, son.

[sayitaintso]

OK, since we know you want Blake for your own.

I propose we make a race trade.

The Black race will trade you Blake Griffin & the rights to Austin Rivers' race in exchange for Birdman Anderson, Yelawolf, & the rights to Halle Berry's daughter's race.

No, let's make it fair. Birdman Anderson is an embarrassment to the Slam Dunk contest. The Black race already have Nate Robinson.

So replace Birdman Anderson with Gordon Hayward. I'm sure you can make Gordon Hayward the next "White Chocolate" aka Jason Williams.

So rights to Austin Rivers' race in exchange for Gordon Hayward, Yelawolf, & the rights to Halle Berry's daughter's race. Blake Griffin belongs to us already by the skin complexion eye test.

[Rowe]

I do think there probably are more Blacks who actually pursue a career in sports than whites, because of the lack of other opportunities, so that may contribute to the racial disparity in the NBA. Either way though, that shouldn't skew the notion of blacks being more athletic.

Blacks aren't more athletic than Whites.:confusedshrug: We're just faster because for some reason we run more than any other race as kids.

If you went into a Black community you would find out that being Black doesn't make you a better athlete than if you were White. Its just that more of us pursue certain sports.

[Rowe]

No, let's make it fair. Birdman Anderson is an embarrassment to the Slam Dunk contest. The Black race already have Nate Robinson.

So replace Birdman Anderson with Gordon Hayward. I'm sure you can make Gordon Hayward the next "White Chocolate" aka Jason Williams.

So rights to Austin Rivers' race in exchange for Gordon Hayward, Yelawolf, & the rights to Halle Berry's face. Blake Griffin belongs to us already by the skin complexion test.

Trying to do a skin complexion test is pointless. Easily Blake could get a tan and have the complexion of Jamario Moon.

We dont want Gordon Hayward. He doesn't have any sort of swagger, and he looks akward on the court. Hes going to end up on a poster at some point. You can keep Birdman. Instead we'd like Jordan Shipley & Vinny Del Negro. Is that fair? You can have Soulja Boy for free.:oldlol:



Blacks receive:
Yelawolf
Nahla Ariela Aubry(Halle Berry's daughter)
Jordan Shipley
Vinny Del Negro

Whites receive:
Blake Griffin
Austin Rivers
Soulja Boy

[sayitaintso]

Blacks receive:
Yelawolf
Nahla Ariela Aubry(Halle Berry's daughter)
Jordan Shipley
Vinny Del Negro

Whites receive:
Blake Griffin
Austin Rivers
Soulja Boy


The White Race accepts your offer.

We welcome Blake Griffin and hope he'll bring us the Slam Dunk Champion (2nd time - Brent Barry), Numerous Top Ten Highlights (DVD collection / multiple volumes), and hopefully he'll be a staple of recruitment (taking white boys out of couches / Xbox 360s and back on the court so they can be like Blake).

However, they have informed me they are waiving Soujla Boy. And the rights to Austin Rivers is on the trading block for another draft pick at the next Race Draft.

[wakencdukest]

Yes. The evidence is clear that the difference is caused by diet in all those groups. In fact, the same , the SAME effect is true amongst white males with the same diet.

White males with a similar diet have the same density of fast twitch muscle fibers as blacks do.

I guess I'm gonna have to start feeding my kids soul food!

[Alonzo Magic]

"There are no black scientists"

"All black Scandinavians are on welfare"

Talk about sweeping statements. Must be great living in Estonia without any blacks, must be the most prosperous and affluent nation in the world... Oh wait. Estonians taking credit for white civilization. :oldlol:

[Avon Barksdale]

There is nothing inherently wrong or racist with rooting for someone from your race. :facepalm

Every black guy I know was rooting for Rampage Jackson to beat Chuck Liddel several years ago, and I don't find anything wrong with that at all. Damn near every Mexican and American of Mexican descent was rooting for Cain Valasquez to beat Brock Lesnar...so what. Nothing wrong or racist about that either. It's pretty natural.

Personally, I don't care that the league is overwhelmingly black, I love the NBA and am a big fan of a lot of black players. They're there because they're the best players and deserve to be. People who root against AMERICAN Olympic/World Basketball Championship teams simply because they're almost entirely black, and playing almost entirely white teams...that is racist.

I like seeing a guy like Peyton Hillis in the NFL playing very well at a position overwhelmingly dominated by black guys. It's nice to see just because white guys playing RB in the NFL are extremely few and far between. But guess what...most black people are rooting for Michael Vick because he plays a position overwhelmingly dominated by white guys at a very high level. I have no problem with that at all, and fully understand why they support him. Personally, I like Vick a lot, he has shown a tremendous level of maturity and humility since he came back from prison and it's nice to see guys make the most out of second chances. I love watching Vick play well and root for him. Rooting against a player because of their race= racist. Wishing a player to do well because you identify with them is not racist. Quit throwing the race card out so whimsically and being so sensitive people.

[Avon Barksdale]

Obama and Griffin are both black. Get mad clown.

Clearly you fail at math and genetics. 1 black parent + 1 white parent= 50% black/50% white. Jesus ****ing Christ. It's not that hard. :facepalm