Let's talk about Wade and Lebron's midrange game?

[KG5MVP]

7 years in the league, and none of them have developed a solid midrange jumper? What have they been practicing on these 7 years? How to do more women for Wade, and how to get more stats for Lebron?

None of them can play offball because none of them can shoot consistently, even Chris Bosh is a much better midrange jumpshooter than both of them.

MJ in his 7th season is already the GOAT midrange shooter, and here people were comparing Wade and Lebron to MJ, LOL!!!

[rammerman]

they have mid range games? :confusedshrug:

[Doranku]

Might as well talk about wizardry and magic too while we're on the subject of things that don't exist.

[ashbelly]

Might as well talk about wizardry and magic too while we're on the subject of things that don't exist.

Like kobe's ball IQ ? :oldlol:

[Andrei89]

1: I am surprised you didn't mention KG

2: MJ GOAT mid range shooter?

3: Wade is a slasher and Lebron is a slasher. + Wade has mid range

4: I am surprised you didn't mention KG

5: What?

[catch24]

Wade has one of the best midrange games in the league. :oldlol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKoETzoCXuQ -- made this months ago. dude was pretty much automatic from 15-20ft in '09.

[Batz]

7 years in the league, and none of them have developed a solid midrange jumper? What have they been practicing on these 7 years? How to do more women for Wade, and how to get more stats for Lebron?

None of them can play offball because none of them can shoot consistently, even Chris Bosh is a much better midrange jumpshooter than both of them.

MJ in his 7th season is already the GOAT midrange shooter, and here people were comparing Wade and Lebron to MJ, LOL!!!

AGENDA

and fail use of tenses.

[KG5MVP]

1: I am surprised you didn't mention KG

2: MJ GOAT mid range shooter?

3: Wade is a slasher and Lebron is a slasher. + Wade has mid range

4: I am surprised you didn't mention KG

5: What?

He was proclaimed the best midrange shooter as early as 91, don't even mention about his later years.

[west]

Mid-range is their second nature, drives to the cup at will is what they do best, which isn't a bad thing....

[Rose]

AGENDA

and fail use of tenses.
Batzman!

Also there's a gimmick account of you on here now.:lol

[Doranku]

Like kobe's ball IQ ? :oldlol:

Aren't you hungry? You guys haven't ate well in quite some time. :roll:

[KG5MVP]

Mid-range is their second nature, drives to the cup at will is what they do best, which isn't a bad thing....

but at least they shuold have developed a solid midrange game

[Batz]

AGENDA

and fail use of tenses.
srsly

[ashbelly]

Aren't you hungry? You guys haven't ate well in quite some time. :roll:


:oldlol: My ribs are touching but aint nothing major, we are about to feast. But kobe's Ball IQ is questionable for a 14 year veteran :oldlol:

[RaceBannana]

Lebron has a solid mid range game, last season he was amazing, specially at the beginning... he reverted back during this season.... i think the fact that he is not surrounded by shooters has something to do with it.

[sixer6ad]

Like kobe's ball IQ ? :oldlol:

Typical paranoid, panic-stricken, don't know what to say response.

[sixer6ad]

Lebron has a solid mid range game, last season he was amazing, specially at the beginning... he reverted back during this season.... i think the fact that he is not surrounded by shooters has something to do with it.

It's always about what Lebron doesn't have around him, or the offense he is in. Well....are we going to say that for his entire career?

[KG5MVP]

Lebron has a solid mid range game, last season he was amazing, specially at the beginning... he reverted back during this season.... i think the fact that he is not surrounded by shooters has something to do with it.

how does not having shooters around u make you have a bad midrange game?

[RaceBannana]

It's always about what Lebron doesn't have around him, or the offense he is in. Well....are we going to say that for his entire career?

Im not a Lebron fanboy you can ask that to anybody.... just saying what im seeing......

[MrJohnWall]

How did i know this fakkit would find someway to mention Jordan?

Hop off his nuts breh. You never even saw him play

[ashbelly]

Typical paranoid, panic-stricken, don't know what to say response.


:oldlol: Assumptions.. what do they say about them ?

[Papaya Petee]

Wade and his mid range game have been bothering me lately. He believed that once LeBron and Bosh get here he will only get single coverage and will be able to eat teams alive on iso's and pick and rolls. He forgot to practice the mid-range. Can he get it back? Sure. But now that he see's teams will double him and close the lane on him he is jacking 3 pointers. He needs to get it together. Although last year he started off the season pretty bad and finished it averaging 28\7\5 on 48% after All-Star break.

LeBron on the other hand has a good mid-range game, just not a 3 point game. If you can't see that LeBron hit's mid-range J's with ease, you do not watch Miami basketball.

[sh0wtime]

Meh, i was surprised how Lebron became this good of a scorer anyways. People forget that behind all that size, muscles and athleticism Lebron is more of a pass first pointguard, he came in to the NBA to be a playmaker/pointguard. Not to be like Jordan, but more rather like Magic / Penny Hardaway.... and right now he is confused to how he should be playing fulltime with this new offense, strategy, teammates, coach and etcetera, especially when his 1st scoring option (Wade) cant stay healthy and produce like he used to and especially now when they are losing.

[RaceBannana]

how does not having shooters around u make you have a bad midrange game?

because youre not surrounded by multiple guys trying to alter your shot?

[Hulk Hogan]

Meh, i was surprised how Lebron became this good of a scorer anyways. People forget that behind all that size, muscles and athleticism Lebron is more of a pass first pointguard, he came in to the NBA to be a playmaker/pointguard. Not to be like Jordan, but more rather like Magic / Penny Hardaway.... and right now he is confused to how he should be playing fulltime with this new offense, strategy, teammates, coach and etcetera, especially when his 1st scoring option (Wade) cant stay healthy and produce like he used to and especially now when they are losing.

I was wondering where you were, you are usually quick to respond when it comes to threads that place spotlights on Lebron's weaknesses.

[sixer6ad]

:oldlol: Assumptions.. what do they say about them ?

It's true. You haven't posted one rational thought about the injury riddled, somewhat disappointing season so far which hasn't been paranoid. It's always a "Oh yah..." answer. It's like you're taking your ball and going home.

Everyone on God's earth realizes the components of this construction, they can't stand it, and they are rooting against you. Despite that, each town wants the world to love their team and help them celebrate. Ain't happenin bro. Deal with it and support your team. Stop hatin the hate; it ain't stoppin.

[ashbelly]

It's true. You haven't posted one rational thought about the injury riddled, somewhat disappointing season so far which hasn't been paranoid. It's always a "Oh yah..." answer. It's like you're taking your ball and going home.

Everyone on God's earth realizes the components of this construction, they can't stand it, and they are rooting against you. Despite that, each town wants the world to love their team and help them celebrate. Ain't happenin bro. Deal with it and support your team. Stop hatin the hate; it ain't stoppin.


:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: Sorry to dissapoint you, but i'm loving it. I welcome it, it's interesting, it's why i'm on this board.

[sixer6ad]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: Sorry to dissapoint you, but i'm loving it. I welcome it, it's interesting, it's why i'm on this board.

Solid comeback. When you lose you raise up the white flag.

You'll love Lebron.

[ashbelly]

Solid comeback. When you lose you raise up the white flag.

You'll love Lebron.


:oldlol: :oldlol: You must have me confused with somebody else, can't you see the redbars ?? It's what i live for bro. You sound like you are butt hurt. Whats up, u :mad: ??? Me >>> You ?

[macpierce]

Buttttt, THEY DA BESS right

[sixer6ad]

:oldlol: :oldlol: You must have me confused with somebody else, can't you see the redbars ?? It's what i live for bro. You sound like you are butt hurt. Whats up, u :mad: ??? Me >>> You ?

I understand. You're struggling right now. I get it. People go into slumps and don't know what to say.

[cteach111]

Buttttt, THEY DA BESS right

THEY DA BESS?

They already won. :lol

[DeronMillsap]

To be honest you dont deserve your red bars, you're an overrated troll.
PB is a much better troll than ashbelly. He at least is funny.

[tpols]

I LOVE the fact that all the heat trolls bandwagoners coined(stole from ricky ross) the phrase 'we da bess' for the new look heat.:roll: :oldlol: So many ways to rephrase it against them when the heat fall on their face.:applause:

[ashbelly]

I understand. You're struggling right now. I get it. People go into slumps and don't know what to say.


:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Willkill24]

PB is a much better troll than ashbelly. He at least is funny.

Yup.

[shootingcomets]

they have fine mid range games. no teams are deliberately leaving them open at that range.

They just usually prefer to drive to the basket and draw fouls.

If they shoot too many mid range shots you'll just start saying they dont drive to the basket more and if they do both you'll just say they can't shoot 3pts

*yawn* nobody's perfect

[sh0wtime]

I was wondering where you were, you are usually quick to respond when it comes to threads that place spotlights on Lebron's weaknesses.

Im quick to respond to incorrect statements yes, whether it is about Lebron or Kobe or Wade or anybody. But this is not one of them incorrect statements, Lebron has not a fantastic midrange game.

[boozehound]

AGENDA

and fail use of tenses.
why would you not use past tense conjugation properly in the sentence where you are calling out someone else for improper use of past tense forms?

[bagelred]

Midrange game. What sport?

[Hulk Hogan]

It got so bad, Wade didn't want to shot anymore. :roll:

[TennesseeFan]

Lets talk about Weed and LeBush

[Premeditated]

Like kobe's ball IQ ? :oldlol:
Am I the only one that saw this post from this ignorant ass poster? Watch you got damn mouth talking slick about Da Gawd.

[Zach Morris]

LeBron's mid range shot is average at best. Wade is pretty good though.

[MasterDurant24]

7 years in the league, and none of them have developed a solid midrange jumper? What have they been practicing on these 7 years? How to do more women for Wade, and how to get more stats for Lebron?

None of them can play offball because none of them can shoot consistently, even Chris Bosh is a much better midrange jumpshooter than both of them.

MJ in his 7th season is already the GOAT midrange shooter, and here people were comparing Wade and Lebron to MJ, LOL!!!
I have Dirk, Nash, Kobe, Rip, and Sam Cassell over him. I also think it's silly for people to say Wade and LeBron can't even be compared to MJ. All 3 are some of the most talented players of all time.

[kingkong]

I have Dirk, Nash, Kobe, Rip, and Sam Cassell over him. I also think it's silly for people to say Wade and LeBron can't even be compared to MJ. All 3 are some of the most talented players of all time.

Wade's primary talent is charging into people and throwing up wild shots

[The Iron Fist]

7 years in the league, and none of them have developed a solid midrange jumper? What have they been practicing on these 7 years? How to do more women for Wade, and how to get more stats for Lebron?

None of them can play offball because none of them can shoot consistently, even Chris Bosh is a much better midrange jumpshooter than both of them.

MJ in his 7th season is already the GOAT midrange shooter, and here people were comparing Wade and Lebron to MJ, LOL!!!
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[Micku]

7 years in the league, and none of them have developed a solid midrange jumper? What have they been practicing on these 7 years? How to do more women for Wade, and how to get more stats for Lebron?

None of them can play offball because none of them can shoot consistently, even Chris Bosh is a much better midrange jumpshooter than both of them.

MJ in his 7th season is already the GOAT midrange shooter, and here people were comparing Wade and Lebron to MJ, LOL!!!


Wade Jumpshot:

Wade actually had a mid-jumper in his sixth year in the league.

Wade shot .43% at the mid while Kobe shot .44% according to 82games. 49% Wade shots were jumpers in 2008-09.

http://www.82games.com/0809/FGSORT7.HTM

In 08-09
A little bit more detail (Wade):
at <10 feet Wade shoots were 51.0%. The shot attempts were 1.4.
At 10-15 feet Wade shot around 42%. The shot attempts were 1.7.
At 16-23 feet he also shot around 42%. The shot attempts were 7.8.

Wade: http://hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=Dwyane%20Wade

With Kobe:
At <10 feet Kobe shot 47.0%. The shot attempts were 2.2.
At 10-15 feet Kobe shot 45.0%. The shot attempts were 3.2.
At 16-23 feet Kobe shot around 42%. The shot attempts were 7.0.

Kobe: http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=Kobe%20Bryant


Now, the reason why Wade and LeBron always had a higher FG% is because they are better at driving and finishing around the rim. But Wade that year had a pretty mid-range jumper. He developed a good mid-range jumper and was pretty good off the ball. They used to set screens for him to get open and bang, automatic. However, Wade used to pop a mid-range in people's faces more than Kobe did.

Now what happened after that? I dunno. Wade mid-jumper was gone in 09-10. He probably got it back in the second half of the season. He doesn't really look for the jumper now. He should. This could be a coach decision though. I dunno.


LeBron Jumpshot:

While LeBron was never truly as good mid-jumper as Wade prime and Kobe, he was improving and he could make it. He hardly take shots from the mid as much as Wade, Kobe, Melo and stuff.

LeBron has ALWAYS been the type of person who take the 3 point shot. Yeah, he makes it sometimes and stuff, but he gets trigger happy with the 3 too much. That's why if you look at some of their advance stats, it may say LeBron take more jumpshots than Wade or Melo or something. Probably slightly less than Kobe. It's always one of the reasons why his eFG% and TS% is so high even though he isn't a superior shooter than Kobe or Wade.

But LeBron form of shooting has improved a lot. I don't know what's going on with him. He probably lacks off the ball movement. He should come off screens to free himself for the shot rather than trying to take his man off the dribble. He CAN make the shot.


What Wade and Bron should do:

A. Wade should play like his 08-09 self. It looks like Wade can still drive, but he should come off the screens and shoot the jumper. He doesn't even look for the jumper anymore except for the 3. And he used to take people off the dribble in the mid. Now he is doing it with the 3. He also should do the "banking" the shot again. He used to do that a lot earlier in his career. He is getting better at the post, but he doesn't use often enough and it's ok. I wouldn't expect him to post bigger guards.


B. LeBron should post up and play off the ball. He should FINALLY use his size to his advantage. He is stronger and faster than anybody his size in the league. Use that as a strength. He can also come off screens to shoot the jumper.

[Zach Morris]

http://www.gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs/158389_o.gif
http://nicekicks.com/images/koc-mar-23-2.jpg


Ohhhhhh. Practicing routines.

Looked like a damn fool in the first one. Hella juvenile. smh.

I'm happy he cut all that out.

[NoName22]

How come the OP still on Jordan's nuts when he didn't even get to see him play ?

Maybe the worst poster here, he's not smart nor funny.

[bdreason]

Why would anyone shoot a midrange jumper when you can just drive to the hoop and throw yourself at the closest person and get two free throws.

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

Ohhhhhh. Practicing routines.

Looked like a damn fool in the first one. Hella juvenile. smh.

I'm happy he cut all that out.

its not like he cut it out....this is not his team and the other 2 guys are not just going to be part of his stupidness....taking pics and shi1t....

[the_wise_one]

Like kobe's ball IQ ? :oldlol:

Great post.

[All Net]

Why would anyone shoot a midrange jumper when you can just drive to the hoop and throw yourself at the closest person and get two free throws.

You need that balance, more so when you get older.

[Lebron23]

Lebron James 48.3% (10-15 feet)
Dwyane Wade 50.0% (10-15 feet)

[I.R.Beast]

Lebron has a solid mid range game, last season he was amazing, specially at the beginning... he reverted back during this season.... i think the fact that he is not surrounded by shooters has something to do with it.
this....his weight issues last season made Bron rely on the mid range J last year and he had some consistency to it, but this year he's lived at the rim with all the easy dunks and layups, and he's gotten back to stinking it up from mid range. Wade's mid range J has regressed too, because he himself with the great moves etc lives at the rim. it;s to the point where these two guys can't make J unless they've made a few layups and dunks first to get thier mojo going. I love guys like KD/Kobe kobe that have the ability to come in the game cold and stoke jays like water... Wade still is my fav player tho. He's been great since the return from injury.

[talkingconch]

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haha, should 'shop that and put 'MEMORIES' on the last pic

[talkingconch]

Like kobe's ball IQ ? :oldlol:
Pretty good if you ask me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20Od75L6A8E

as opposed to ur boi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZA2WVOW2Pc&feature=related
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[iDefend5]

Lebron James 48.3% (10-15 feet)
Dwyane Wade 50.0% (10-15 feet)
LeBron James 39% from 16-23

u mad?

[bdreason]

They both have money midrange games, but prefer to take even higher % shots like dunks and FT's.


Maybe that's why they both average over 50% (LeBron 56%) from the field despite playing from the perimeter.

[Lebron23]

LeBron James 39% from 16-23

u mad?


You are such a horrible poster.

[iDefend5]

You are such a horrible poster.
:oldlol: He mad.

[comerb]

They both have extremely capable mid-range games. Wade a bit weak on the longer end of that range, but he's also better closer to the basket. I'm not really sure wtf the OP is talking about.

[Human Error]

LeBron James 39% from 16-23

u mad?
That is about the same percentage of Carmelo Anthony's including dunks and lay-ups. :rockon:

[ralph_i_el]

They're both slashers. They both have decent midrange J's

Bosh has a very good midrange game. He has for a while.

[arifgokcen]

Actually lebron is a much better midrange shooter than his %fg.His midrange game is money.If you look at the hoopdata 82games and synergy lebron assist rate on those 16-23 is by far the lowest(%21) among best scorers in nba.Again if you look again he takes more bailout midrange jumpers(%22) than anyone else among top scorers.

[arifgokcen]

:oldlol: He mad.

He is not mad you are as always talking nonsense

[bwink23]

Actually lebron is a much better midrange shooter than his %fg.His midrange game is money.If you look at the hoopdata 82games and synergy lebron assist rate on those 16-23 is by far the lowest(%21) among best scorers in nba.Again if you look again he takes more bailout midrange jumpers(%22) than anyone else among top scorers.


I thought Kobe was the only one allowed to take bail-out jumpers?? :confusedshrug:

[arifgokcen]

I thought Kobe was the only one allowed to take bail-out jumpers?? :confusedshrug:

Mate you can check out stats yourself.Data is there.I used synergy,82games,hoopsdata as my primary source.All those three are valid sources.

[PP34Deuce]

I think due to the 2000's swingmen like Pierce,Kobe,Tmac,VC,Grant Hill... We had an era of very athletic players who could actually shoot midrange really good.

Where as late 2000's-2010's players are freakish athletes with decent Mid range.

If you are the bulls you pack the paint and live with lebron shooting midrange because guarantee he will miss more than he makes. The last 3-4 years has shown when games get tighter that jumper looks uglier in form and delivery.

Wade is better but you live with zoning him too.

I don't think you could zone Prime VC,Kobe,PP,Tmac based on the fact they could shoot

[donald_trump]

I think due to the 2000's swingmen like Pierce,Kobe,Tmac,VC,Grant Hill... We had an era of very athletic players who could actually shoot midrange really good.

Where as late 2000's-2010's players are freakish athletes with decent Mid range.

If you are the bulls you pack the paint and live with lebron shooting midrange because guarantee he will miss more than he makes. The last 3-4 years has shown when games get tighter that jumper looks uglier in form and delivery.

Wade is better but you live with zoning him too.

I don't think you could zone Prime VC,Kobe,PP,Tmac based on the fact they could shoot

bron has one of the best pull up jumpers in the game. particularly from the top of the key. the reason zone has upset him in the past is because of the two guys at the top of the key in zone not allowing him to step into his jumpers.

hes far better at it now, and is particularly good from both sides of the key.

[upside24]

They're both slashers. They both have decent midrange J's

Bosh has a very good midrange game. He has for a while.
Bosh's midrange is sublime.

[PP34Deuce]

bron has one of the best pull up jumpers in the game. particularly from the top of the key. the reason zone has upset him in the past is because of the two guys at the top of the key in zone not allowing him to step into his jumpers.

hes far better at it now, and is particularly good from both sides of the key.


I understand you but do you also notice in tight contested games Lebrons form and jumper looks shaky with pressure mixed with zone.

[BallsOut]

bron has one of the best pull up jumpers in the game. particularly from the top of the key. the reason zone has upset him in the past is because of the two guys at the top of the key in zone not allowing him to step into his jumpers.

hes far better at it now, and is particularly good from both sides of the key.

Quit making shit up. Lebron's a horrible shooter, especially in the playoffs. That's when the elite teams pack the paint and he starts bricking away. That's exactly how you beat a team with Lebron on it as evidenced by the past 4 seasons.

[arifgokcen]

Quit making shit up. Lebron's a horrible shooter, especially in the playoffs. That's when the elite teams pack the paint and he starts bricking away. That's exactly how you beat a team with Lebron on it as evidenced by the past 4 seasons.

This post is so horrible :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Just look up some stats.I am not including his finals.Beside his finals he has been better shooter during playoffs.

[BallsOut]

Just look up some stats.I am not including his finals.Beside his finals he has been better shooter during playoffs.

The finals are apart of the playoffs genius. You can't disregard it because it's Lebron James. :roll: :roll: :roll:

[tmacattack33]

I like Lebron's mid range game now.

Wade's is good too and he is great with pull up runners, though he is real weak with the long range game.

[pauk]

Lebron is shooting 42% from 16-23 feet
Wade is shooting 42% from 16-23 feet
Kobe is shooting 41% from 16-23 feet

www.nba.com/statscube

Its not so bad... and its not like they take open jumpshots from there, its all fadeaways/off-balance contested shots from face-up/post-up moves...

[Lebron23]

LeBron James

52.2 FG% from 10-15 feet

40 FG% from 16-23 feet

Dwayne Wade


49.2 FG% from 10-15 feet

40 FG% 16-23 feet

Kobe Bryant

45.1 FG% from 10-15 feet

41 FG% from 16-23 feet

[Lebron23]

Derrick Rose

34.5 FG% from 10-15 feet

39 FG% from 16-23 feet

Kevin Durant

42.1 FG% from 10-15 feet

48 FG% from 16-23 feet

Dirk Nowitzki

41.4 from 10-15 feet

51. FG% from 16-23 feet

Steve Nash

36.2 FG% from 10-15 feet

59 FG% from 16-23 feet

[Lebron23]

What's Prime Michael Jordan shooting percentages from 10-15 feet, and 16-23 feet?

[TheNaturalWR]

What's Prime Michael Jordan shooting percentages from 10-15 feet, and 16-23 feet?

Probably 50%+ from 16-23 was as automatic as it gets.

Kevin Durant is ridiculous. 48% and that's his main shot? God damn :bowdown:

[Chrono90]

they dont have a long range game...

they do have a mid range game

[Lebron23]

they dont have a long range game...

they do have a mid range game


We have a winner.

[nashwade]

Derrick Rose

34.5 FG% from 10-15 feet

39 FG% from 16-23 feet

Kevin Durant

42.1 FG% from 10-15 feet

48 FG% from 16-23 feet

Dirk Nowitzki

41.4 from 10-15 feet

51. FG% from 16-23 feet

Steve Nash

36.2 FG% from 10-15 feet

59 FG% from 16-23 feet

this is quite odd, probably all his close range shots are contested like mad cos of his height

[TheNaturalWR]

Wade's percentage is probably gonna soar to 42% when they update in the Chicago game.