I see why Lebron left

[mrhoopfan]

1. Mo Williams is second best player but not even a top 10 pg
2a. Could've had Amare but didn't wanna give up Hickson:wtf:
2b. Kept Hickson, but then he and Boobie Gibson( underappreciated0 don't get burn??
3. Varejao with that big contract.........Varejao???????????

[O.J A 6'4Mamba]

how are you going to take JJ Hickson over Amare Stoudamire. Amare is only 28 or 29

[icewill36]

lebron led this team to 66 wins ???? LOL

bow to the king

[Indian guy]

Like I've always said, LeBron worked miracles with that team.

[Rockets(T-mac)]

I don't think anyone wonders why he left, however people wonder why he acted like a douche while doing it. Cleveland sucked ass that isn't news.

[The Next Jordan]

Like I've always said, LeBron worked miracles with that team.
I'm truly wondering how he took this exact same team + Shaq to the best record in the league.

[SoCalMike]

I don't think anyone wonders why he left, however people wonder why he acted like a douche while doing it. Cleveland sucked ass that isn't news.

FTW... exactly.

LeDiva James acted like a major douche and is trying to take a shortcut to a title. Makes him look very week instead of someone with class.


:pimp:

[chris2010]

lebron led this team to 66 wins ???? LOL

bow to the king

not just that, but he apparently is behind every win whilst the team is behind ever single loss. I guess the leaders get the credit for the victories but the teamates get the short end of the stick when the leader just cant lead them somewhere else.

[ginobli2311]

Like I've always said, LeBron worked miracles with that team.

yep. miracles. he added around 25 wins a season. that is absurd.

[mrhoopfan]

Varejao SUCKS!!!! Not sure he is better than Taj Gibson..... 50 Million???? Dan Gilbert is mainly mad at HIMSELF. How do you turn Amare down for a guy who you don't even play in the playoffs. How does Boobie Gibson set rookie record for pts in Conference Finals game with 31 then not get any run 2 years later behind an old ass Anthony Parker. You bring in Antawn freakin Jamison but you could have had Amare?????? I'd have been the eff out as well!!!!!

[crisoner]

LeBron with this team is a good team. They are role players...and good ones at that.

Let me put it to you like this...

Say LeBron stayed...and Bosh comes to this team.
IMO that is a better tea then the Heat right now.

You have a hustle player like Varejao to clean up board etc. Sh*t Bosh doesn't do.

Do the Cavs suck...yes....but with LeBron this team complemented him. Come on 66 wins...it wasn't Bron pulling miracles this was a good team.

The Heat set up now will not win a title. They need some more good role players and they will get better. But I'm not sold on Wade and LeBron playing with each other at the same time. It just doesn't work to championship b-ball. Mark my words.

[Nash]

Lebron asked for a sidekick, he got Mo Williams and Antawn Jamison. What a joke.

**** the Cavs, they took Lebron for granted.

[Bigsmoke]

lol The Cavs were lucky to even draft Lebron and they are acting like Lebron own them something. :oldlol:

[ginobli2311]

LeBron with this team is a good team. They are role players...and good ones at that.

Let me put it to you like this...

Say LeBron stayed...and Bosh comes to this team.
IMO that is a better tea then the Heat right now.

You have a hustle player like Varejao to clean up board etc. Sh*t Bosh doesn't do.

Do the Cavs suck...yes....but with LeBron this team complemented him. Come on 66 wins...it wasn't Bron pulling miracles this was a good team.

The Heat set up now will not win a title. They need some more good role players and they will get better. But I'm not sold on Wade and LeBron playing with each other at the same time. It just doesn't work to championship b-ball. Mark my words.

exactly. but you could say that about any team. imagine just adding a top 20 player in the league to any team that wins 50 plus games. it would put them over the hump.

lol at that idea.

just add noah to the thunder and they're as good as anyone. add bosh to the hawks. add steve nash to the magic.

i could go on and on. the cavs did a terrible job of surrounding lebron with championship talent. this game and this year is evidence of that. you can't win with mo and jamison playing the 2nd and 3rd options. they are chokers and awful defenders.

cavs suck. lebron should have left. i just wish he went to NY or Chicago. but staying was not an option if he wanted to win titles.

[Stuckey]

lol The Cavs were lucky to even draft Lebron and they are acting like Lebron own them something. :oldlol:

acting like Lebron owes them something

spelling & grammar doesn't cost a thing ;)

[crisoner]

exactly. but you could say that about any team. imagine just adding a top 20 player in the league to any team that wins 50 plus games. it would put them over the hump.

lol at that idea.

just add noah to the thunder and they're as good as anyone. add bosh to the hawks. add steve nash to the magic.

i could go on and on. the cavs did a terrible job of surrounding lebron with championship talent. this game and this year is evidence of that. you can't win with mo and jamison playing the 2nd and 3rd options. they are chokers and awful defenders.

cavs suck. lebron should have left. i just wish he went to NY or Chicago. but staying was not an option if he wanted to win titles.


DUDE...

LeBron with Amare in NY under D-Tone......

Add some 3 points shooters and a hustle player.
I'm telling you...that would of been sick.

[ginobli2311]

DUDE...

LeBron with Amare in NY under D-Tone......

Add some 3 points shooters and a hustle player.
I'm telling you...that would of been sick.

oh yea. new york would have been great. my order in terms of winning the most titles in the next 6 years:

1. chicago
2. miami
3. new york

the most fun destination would have been NY though. would have been crazy to watch.

[Skip Bayless]

Left because the pressure got to him.

[Vince McMahon]

Lebron asked for a sidekick, he got Mo Williams and Antawn Jamison. What a joke.

**** the Cavs, they took Lebron for granted.

why this fggot has a nash account and an avy.

[Soundwave]

LeBron would win 55-60 games on any team in the league. You put him on the Raptors and they win 55-60+.

Regular season wins, especially in the East where you can beat up on the bottom half of the conference is overrated.

The Cavs had no one on their team that can create their own shot (as exposed in the playoffs) outside of LeBron.

The Cavs never in the time LeBron was there gave him a strong no.2 option ala a Scottie Pippen that was in his age range. Shaq at age 38 doesn't count, nor does Jamison at 33 for a few months. Mo Williams doesn't show up when the chips are on the table.

LeBron's handling of the UFA situation was wrong, but the decision to leave Cleveland itself was not.

[hitmanyr2k]

Left because the pressure got to him.

The pressure gets to any player that doesn't have a legit 2nd option. You think Lebron is the first to GTFO when he sees management isn't putting the pieces around him? Why the hell do you think Kobe was trying to get out of LA 3 years ago before they landed Gasol? You can be franchise this and legacy that but a star player isn't sh** without a 2nd star running beside him. Cleveland couldn't put a suitable running mate beside Lebron for 7 damn years. He saw the writing on the wall and said f*** it...not wasting my prime years on this.

[mrhoopfan]

exactly. but you could say that about any team. imagine just adding a top 20 player in the league to any team that wins 50 plus games. it would put them over the hump.

lol at that idea.

just add noah to the thunder and they're as good as anyone. add bosh to the hawks. add steve nash to the magic.

i could go on and on. the cavs did a terrible job of surrounding lebron with championship talent. this game and this year is evidence of that. you can't win with mo and jamison playing the 2nd and 3rd options. they are chokers and awful defenders.

cavs suck. lebron should have left. i just wish he went to NY or Chicago. but staying was not an option if he wanted to win titles.


THIS!!!

[jbryan1984]

LeBron did not want Amar'e and he liked JJ.

[Kblaze8855]

not just that, but he apparently is behind every win whilst the team is behind ever single loss. I guess the leaders get the credit for the victories but the teamates get the short end of the stick when the leader just cant lead them somewhere else.

When virtually every game you outplay all your teammates you DO have the most to do with winning and you DO have the least to do with losing. If you play the best and the team loses...how do you blame the guy who played better than everyone else?

It doesnt sound fiar but that doesnt make it untrue.

Great players do have more to do with winning than losing. They have something to do with both. But giving a star more credit for winning than blame for losing just makes sense sometimes.

Lebron had a lot more to do with the Cavs winning 66 games than he had to do with them failing to do more.

[ctown4eva]

1. Mo Williams is second best player but not even a top 10 pg
2a. Could've had Amare but didn't wanna give up Hickson:wtf:
2b. Kept Hickson, but then he and Boobie Gibson( underappreciated0 don't get burn??
3. Varejao with that big contract.........Varejao???????????

Phoenix backed out of deal not Cavs

x1000000000000000 for every other time it will be mentioned.

[FindingTim]

Like I've always said, LeBron worked miracles with that team.

Lebron's supporting casts in Cleveland were always god-awful, and incredibly overrated. He was the only reason they weren't the bottom feeders of the league.

As much as I don't like the guy, I couldn't help but root for him tonight. I can't really explain it...:confusedshrug:

[chris2010]

When virtually every game you outplay all your teammates you DO have the most to do with winning and you DO have the least to do with losing. If you play the best and the team loses...how do you blame the guy who played better than everyone else?

It doesnt sound fiar but that doesnt make it untrue.

Great players do have more to do with winning than losing. They have something to do with both. But giving a star more credit for winning than blame for losing just makes sense sometimes.

Lebron had a lot more to do with the Cavs winning 66 games than he had to do with them failing to do more.
its a team sport. One player fails,the whole team fails. That makes sense above any other logic

[Kblaze8855]

Everyone lost. But some had more to do with it than others. Justl ike when everyone wins...some have more to do with it. Just the way it is.

[RedBlackAttack]

1. Mo Williams is second best player but not even a top 10 pg
2a. Could've had Amare but didn't wanna give up Hickson:wtf:
2b. Kept Hickson, but then he and Boobie Gibson( underappreciated0 don't get burn??
3. Varejao with that big contract.........Varejao???????????
Not sure how many times it needs to be said, but the SUNS decided not to trade Stoudemire. Honestly, people...

[sh0wtime]

exactly. but you could say that about any team. imagine just adding a top 20 player in the league to any team that wins 50 plus games. it would put them over the hump.

lol at that idea.

just add noah to the thunder and they're as good as anyone. add bosh to the hawks. add steve nash to the magic.

i could go on and on. the cavs did a terrible job of surrounding lebron with championship talent. this game and this year is evidence of that. you can't win with mo and jamison playing the 2nd and 3rd options. they are chokers and awful defenders.

cavs suck. lebron should have left. i just wish he went to NY or Chicago. but staying was not an option if he wanted to win titles.

This.

[sixer6ad]

Like I've always said, LeBron worked miracles with that team.

Cleveland's current team, with Lebron, is better than Miami's roster even if Chris Bosh is there. He totally increased his chances of winning by going to another team with two studs; however, he is the key player.

LBJ with Mo, Andy, JJ, Twan, etc. is better than Wade, Bosh +.

[sh0wtime]

its a team sport. One player fails,the whole team fails. That makes sense above any other logic

That doesnt make sense at all, you could make that case for the Celtics series somewhat. But what is the excuse we should use before those series and all of his other playoff runs when he never failed as an individual? 2 years back Lebron averaged 37-8-9 against Orlando, he shot very high percentage, he hit plenty of clutch shots, he involved all of his teammates, what more can you ask from a player? You hit a 3 and shut down your opponent defensively while your teammates bad defense gives up a layup, you hit another 3 and play yet again supperb defense but your teammate gives up another layup to the opponent, you hit another 3 and shut down your man and another teammate gives up a layup to the opponent.... understand? One player cant control the talent/skill of a individual, he can control only what he can do, this is not NBA 2K11 for PS3.

Just like you said, this is a team sport. Hence why no player in NBA history has won a championship alone, no matter how good he was. You can average a 30 point triple double or 50 ppg every single game and put up the best clutch performances ever and never win a championship if you dont have the required amount of help from teammates, coach, franchise and so on. Take a look at even Michael Jordan, he played better than any of his championship years but didnt get a championship until he recieved the proper amount of help he needed.

Take a look at Kobe, as soon as Shaq left there sure was no success for him in the championship department. The man dropped 81 points, averaged 37 ppg and we all can agree he was the best player that time and we all can agree he had best killer instinct and was the best gamecloser and no championship still.... until he got the help needed.

I could go on and on, i dont know how many times these superstars have to prove to people like you that this is a team game, that you can not win a championship no matter how good of a player you are if you dont have the required amount of help.

[Ne 1]

:oldlol: LeBron apologists

Yup LeBron never had any help and played with sh*t teammates his entire career.

Carlos Boozer = Overrated even though he's a 2x All-Star

Big Z = Overrated even though he's a 2x All-Star

Ben Wallace = Overrated even though he's a 4x DPOY and an 4x All-Star All-Star

Antwan Jamison = Overrated even though he's a 2x All-Star

Shaq = Worthless washed up bum, who cares if he was an All-Star in 2009 and a future hall of famer? I'm shocked that a team like Boston was willing to sign that washed up scrub when all he does is clog the lane.

Mo Williams = Overrated, who cares if he made the All-Star team in 2009? LeBron made him.

Anderson Varejao = LeBron made him too, who cares if he was a great 6th man an made the All-Defensive 2nd team?

Anthony Parker = Scrub, LeBron made him. Who cares if he was the #1 3-point shooter in the league in 2010?

Dwayne Wade= Overrated, dude is injury prone and past his prime

Chris Bosh = Overrated, dude is soft

Also don't forget the rest of Miami's roster outside of the big 3 and their bench is complete trash.


PLEASE GET LEBRON SOME HELP!!!!!

[Ne 1]

http://i43.tinypic.com/v8elpi.jpg

:roll:

[Ne 1]

LeBron nut huggers will always put all the blame on the management, coaching and his teammates as usual.

For 3 years the Cavs had been in the top 3 and the last 2 years they had been #1 in the league. You can't be the #1 team in the league with a supporting cast that sucks.

Mo Williams is an all-star, Antwan Jamison is an All-Star, Anderson Varejao is a great 6th man and made the All-Defensive 2nd team, Shaq is a hall of famer and was an all-star the year before joining the Cavs (now having a good year in Boston), Big Z was a serviceable big man and a 2x All-Star a few years ago and Parker was the #1 3-point shooter in the NBA.

Everybody was fine with the Cavs supporting cast when they won 66 games, they were happy with the supporting cast when they were 1 win away from being undefeated at home, nothing was wrong with the supporting cast when they were killing the Bulls, Pistons and Hawks in the playoffs but as soon as they lose to Orlando and Boston the excuse is that LeBron is playing with a bunch of scrubs.

Y'all say Cleveland wasn't built for the playoffs, but somehow they managed to stay competitive with the Celtics when Lebron shot 2-20 and had 10 turnovers.

You switch siders are hilarious. You guys are the same dudes that picked the Cavs to win it all the last 2 years are now saying ''they weren't built for the playoffs''....well then why do you all keep picking them to win it all?

Now what's the excuse for the Heat when they don't win? They weren't built for the playoffs either? LeBron and Wade just couldn't co-exist? The supporting cast sucks?

[chris2010]

That doesnt make sense at all, you could make that case for the Celtics series somewhat. But what is the excuse we should use before those series and all of his other playoff runs when he never failed as an individual? 2 years back Lebron averaged 37-8-9 against Orlando, he shot very high percentage, he hit plenty of clutch shots, he involved all of his teammates, what more can you ask from a player? You hit a 3 and shut down your opponent defensively while your teammates bad defense gives up a layup, you hit another 3 and play yet again supperb defense but your teammate gives up another layup to the opponent, you hit another 3 and shut down your man and another teammate gives up a layup to the opponent.... understand? One player cant control the talent/skill of a individual, he can control only what he can do, this is not NBA 2K11 for PS3.

Just like you said, this is a team sport. Hence why no player in NBA history has won a championship alone, no matter how good he was. You can average a 30 point triple double or 50 ppg every single game and put up the best clutch performances ever and never win a championship if you dont have the required amount of help from teammates, coach, franchise and so on. Take a look at even Michael Jordan, he played better than any of his championship years but didnt get a championship until he recieved the proper amount of help he needed.

Take a look at Kobe, as soon as Shaq left there sure was no success for him in the championship department. The man dropped 81 points, averaged 37 ppg and we all can agree he was the best player that time and we all can agree he had best killer instinct and was the best gamecloser and no championship still.... until he got the help needed.

I could go on and on, i dont know how many times these superstars have to prove to people like you that this is a team game, that you can not win a championship no matter how good of a player you are if you dont have the required amount of help.

no i in team, no me in championship. nuff said lol

[chris2010]

LeBron nut huggers will always put all the blame on the management, coaching and his teammates as usual.

For 3 years the Cavs had been in the top 3 and the last 2 years they had been #1 in the league. You can't be the #1 team in the league with a supporting cast that sucks.

Mo Williams is an all-star, Antwan Jamison is an All-Star, Anderson Varejao is a great 6th man and made the All-Defensive 2nd team, Shaq is a hall of famer and was an all-star the year before joining the Cavs (now having a good year in Boston), Big Z was a serviceable big man and a 2x All-Star a few years ago and Parker was the #1 3-point shooter in the NBA.

Everybody was fine with the Cavs supporting cast when they won 66 games, they were happy with the supporting cast when they were 1 win away from being undefeated at home, nothing was wrong with the supporting cast when they were killing the Bulls, Pistons and Hawks in the playoffs but as soon as they lose to Orlando and Boston the excuse is that LeBron is playing with a bunch of scrubs.

Y'all say Cleveland wasn't built for the playoffs, but somehow they managed to stay competitive with the Celtics when Lebron shot 2-20 and had 10 turnovers.

You switch siders are hilarious. You guys are the same dudes that picked the Cavs to win it all the last 2 years are now saying ''they weren't built for the playoffs''....well then why do you all keep picking them to win it all?

Now what's the excuse for the Heat when they don't win? They weren't built for the playoffs either? LeBron and Wade just couldn't co-exist? The supporting cast sucks?

this

[EDART King]

Cavs suck donkey balls, duh!

[kauaihawaii]

LeBron nut huggers will always put all the blame on the management, coaching and his teammates as usual.

For 3 years the Cavs had been in the top 3 and the last 2 years they had been #1 in the league. You can't be the #1 team in the league with a supporting cast that sucks.

Mo Williams is an all-star, Antwan Jamison is an All-Star, Anderson Varejao is a great 6th man and made the All-Defensive 2nd team, Shaq is a hall of famer and was an all-star the year before joining the Cavs (now having a good year in Boston), Big Z was a serviceable big man and a 2x All-Star a few years ago and Parker was the #1 3-point shooter in the NBA.

Everybody was fine with the Cavs supporting cast when they won 66 games, they were happy with the supporting cast when they were 1 win away from being undefeated at home, nothing was wrong with the supporting cast when they were killing the Bulls, Pistons and Hawks in the playoffs but as soon as they lose to Orlando and Boston the excuse is that LeBron is playing with a bunch of scrubs.

Y'all say Cleveland wasn't built for the playoffs, but somehow they managed to stay competitive with the Celtics when Lebron shot 2-20 and had 10 turnovers.

You switch siders are hilarious. You guys are the same dudes that picked the Cavs to win it all the last 2 years are now saying ''they weren't built for the playoffs''....well then why do you all keep picking them to win it all?

Now what's the excuse for the Heat when they don't win? They weren't built for the playoffs either? LeBron and Wade just couldn't co-exist? The supporting cast sucks?
nice try
you list regular season awards. Tonight's game showed how vulnerable and mentally weak his former team is under pressure.
You assign all the blame on Lebron. You say he's mentally weak, blah, blah
Other leaders can be "confident," because they have other superstars on their team to step up when they can't.
...

[kabalcage]

You can say that the supporting cast in Cleveland was championship caliber, BUT...

That same cast wasn't going to be considered elite for long. That cast was going to need some heavy reconstruction soon considering all the old players they relied on. It wouldn't be easy to add to the Cavs either; I don't believe any team would just donate a great player to them.

That summer meant everything.

Boston was elite.
Miami made a power move and looked like they could be a contender.
Orlando wasn't going anywhere.
The Knicks were on the rise. Will have some ability to maneuver this upcoming summer too.

LeBron decided to pick a cast with players he could rely on for the next six years.

I just don't think LeBron could have won in Cleveland, they weren't good enough. He would've been 30 and had zero championships, might be past his prime by then. Maybe he leaves then, but since he's washed up, he still can't get it done. GOAT candidate, zero championships. Pathetic.

So he took the easy way out. But he still might never win because he's a loser.

[sh0wtime]

Lebron had help, but what kindof help? Championship success type of help or season success type of help? Ill let you decide.

Individuals win games, but teams win championships.

[Spell&Grammar]

acting like Lebron owes them something

spelling & grammar doesn't cost a thing ;)

I work pro bono.



Spell&Grammar

[iamgine]

They don't suck. The team was built around Lebron. When the guy you built around left, with no one good enough to step up to the role, this is what you get.

[Sarcastic]

In the long run it was the correct move to leave Cleveland, however he should have chosen NY. His image would not have taken the hit it did, and his chances of winning would only have been slightly smaller than Miami.

[Kblaze8855]

Yup LeBron never had any help and played with sh*t teammates his entire career.

Carlos Boozer = Overrated even though he's a 2x All-Star

Was he all star level on the cavs or did he grow over his career up to a peak in about 2007?



Big Z = Overrated even though he's a 2x All-Star


Was he one at any point the cavs were expected to be good? The Cavs won 17 and 42 games when he was an all star. He has not been a high level player at any point the Cavs were doing anything.



Ben Wallace = Overrated even though he's a 4x DPOY and an 4x All-Star All-Star

Ben played 77 games for the Cavs....in 2 seasons...4-5 years past his prime.


Antwan Jamison = Overrated even though he's a 2x All-Star


Antawn Jamison is putting up 12/6 on 40% shooting. He had 11/3 on 4-10 shooting tonight in the biggest game of the season for the cavs.


Shaq = Worthless washed up bum, who cares if he was an All-Star in 2009 and a future hall of famer? I'm shocked that a team like Boston was willing to sign that washed up scrub when all he does is clog the lane.

Anyone who says Shaq isnt washed up doesnt remember the real Shaq. Shaq died in 2004. Shaquille is still a good player. Nothing great though. Hes the oldest player in the league I believe. Time caught up. It happens. Doesnt mean he sucks...but hes a name star not a game star.



Mo Williams = Overrated, who cares if he made the All-Star team in 2009? LeBron made him.

Mo was in the league for 5-6 years without Lebron and nobody cared. He joins a team Lebron powers to 66 wins...he makes the ASG off the record. We pretending that isnt the case or that hes currently proving to aactually be an all star level player? I'll let Mo himself explain Lebrons importance to him:


"That's how bad it got," Williams said. "I contemplated it. I really sat down and envisioned life after basketball. ...I really saw myself not playing.


Dude thought about giving up basketball without Lebron. And you think Lebrons impact on his status in the league is overstated?



Anderson Varejao = LeBron made him too, who cares if he was a great 6th man an made the All-Defensive 2nd team?

You heard his name mentioned this season? I rarely do. you dont hear much about poormans Jerome Williams types when they arent the scrappy role players on good teams. Good team often get their role players overrated. Rick Fox made like 14 total plays after he left Boston but he will be remembered forever for playing good man to man D and being a part of teams that could do without him. Andy is a nobody who was forced into public awareness by Lebron being on TV 50 times a year.


Anthony Parker = Scrub, LeBron made him. Who cares if he was the #1 3-point shooter in the league in 2010?

Great question. Who does care? He hit more threes on better shooting in 2 of the 3 seasons before that. Anyone give a damn?

No. Because hes a jump shooting role player. Having just glanced at everyone to shoot 40% in 09.....36 people...17 are scrubs(by which I mean role players who will never be anything but that). Thats because a lot of people who make a lot of threes make them because they are open....and often they are open because the defense cares more about players who are good.


Dwayne Wade= Overrated, dude is injury prone and past his prime

Nah. Past his prime? Possibly. But if so not by much.


Chris Bosh = Overrated, dude is soft

Ive been saying that since 2004.


Also don't forget the rest of Miami's roster outside of the big 3 and their bench is complete trash.

Show me a worse team 4-12 that has been good.

Ever.

Of the players actually playing of course. Not counting Mike Miller since hes not played. Looking at who played tonight...


Carlos(Straight "Eh" status...has not made a play you remember since the 2004 Olympics)
Z(roughly 58 years old)
Jones. Really good shooter
Anthony. A nothing wrapped in just enough youth that people pretend he isnt a nothing
House. Good streaky shooter
Howard. Nobody knew he was still in the league till he signed in Miami. Before pushing that guy last week he was last seen on sportscenter throwing a lob off the backboard to Chris Webber 16 years ago.
Dampier. Last time he was a good player was 3 months in 2004.
Chalmers. I like him a bit but it seems their coach doesnt. Plus hes been hurt. Barely played at all this year.


Lets compare that to say....the worst team ive ever seen in the NBA. Not by record...but having watched? I rank the 03 Nuggets as the least talented team of my lifetime. They started Shammond williams and Vincent Yarborough at one point. Ok...lets remove their top 3...

No Camby, Juwon Howard, or Nene

James Posey
Birdman
Rodney white(remember him?(
Chris Whitney(Jordan got him a little shine being on his team with the Wizards)
Mark Blount
Donnell Harvey
Shammond Williams
Harrington(not Al)


Combined with Miamis current roster after the top 3?

If I gotta draft out of them?

Id take Posey first...then James Jones. Birdman. Probably Carlos then. Z if I had a team I could just let him take 3 open 18 footers a game on maybe. Then Blount or Dampier if I didnt have a bigman...House if I did. donnell Harvey and Rodney White if I had a coach to keep them in line.

Real talk...after Posey, James Jones, and Birdman...nobody on either team matters at this point of their careers. How many people to play for the Heat this year were signed by them out of free agency where nobody else wanted them just for the roster spot? At least 4 off the top of my head...


The Heat from 4-12 are a total trainwreck.

They jsut are. They matchup with among the worst of all time. IT would be hard to find a team with its 4th most relevant player league wide being James Jones or Eddie House.

haslem was there. But hes gone till...whenever. I was told he was out for the season but also that its just till the ASG or something. Dont know.

But I know hes gone for a long long time having played what? 10 games or so?

The Heat are flat out...terrible. After the big 3. All time terrible.

Thats what happens when you sign 45-50 million dollars of contracts to 3 guys with a 58 or so million salary cap.

They will be better...and would be good if they had Haslem and Miller.

But they dont.

As it stands...the Heat are deplorable after the big 3.



So..

A lot of the things you say are being said are...pretty true.

[Pharcyde]

In the long run it was the correct move to leave Cleveland, however he should have chosen NY. His image would not have taken the hit it did, and his chances of winning would only have been slightly smaller than Miami.
His image would have stayed the same. Why would it be any different? If he goes to NY and has "The Decision" everyone would still think he's a douche.

[crisoner]

http://i43.tinypic.com/v8elpi.jpg

:roll:


WOW how you fish that up? lol

[RoseCity07]

FTW... exactly.

LeDiva James acted like a major douche and is trying to take a shortcut to a title. Makes him look very week instead of someone with class.


:pimp:

While I agree with your post. I don't imagine you'd be saying the same thing about Kobe. Not too long ago he wanted to be traded, he said in regards to Bynum, "Ship his ass out". If he would have been traded to Chicago, I don't think Laker fans would think too fondly on how Kobe handled that situation.

Lebron didn't bash his teammate on video. Lebron didn't bash the city of Cleveland. He went on TV and announced he is leaving Cleveland, a team that always underacheived.

[LA KB24]

While I agree with your post. I don't imagine you'd be saying the same thing about Kobe. Not too long ago he wanted to be traded, he said in regards to Bynum, "Ship his ass out". If he would have been traded to Chicago, I don't think Laker fans would think too fondly on how Kobe handled that situation.

Lebron didn't bash his teammate on video. Lebron didn't bash the city of Cleveland. He went on TV and announced he is leaving Cleveland, a team that always underacheived.
edit: lol so blazed, totally misread your post, my bad.

[Sarcastic]

His image would have stayed the same. Why would it be any different? If he goes to NY and has "The Decision" everyone would still think he's a douche.

The whole decision thing was a bad idea, but if he chose NY at least there wouldn't be stuff like this

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/z%20Funny%20NBA%20Photos/Others%20Masterpiece/0%20queen%20lebron%20james/WADEs%20Pippen/e2b5b9f2.jpg

[StillKill24]

Lebron left because he's just not good enough to win without a top 3 player and top 15 player on his team.

[crisoner]

While I agree with your post. I don't imagine you'd be saying the same thing about Kobe. Not too long ago he wanted to be traded, he said in regards to Bynum, "Ship his ass out". If he would have been traded to Chicago, I don't think Laker fans would think too fondly on how Kobe handled that situation.


Ummmm Laker fans where pisst. We booed him the first game at home in 2008.
Lucky us Bynum started balling....and the boom we landed Gasol half way through the season.




Lebron didn't bash his teammate on video. Lebron didn't bash the city of Cleveland. He went on TV and announced he is leaving Cleveland, a team that always underacheived.

He did. LeBron disrespected the his old teammates by stating the talent in Miami was better then he ever played with. You know the team that helped him get 60 plus wins the last two years.

And he also said in an interview after the Decision that he hated Cleveland growing up. Come on....who does that?

[kobesabi]

This is not fair comparison!

Take main player of the team and put him with 2 other superstars on opposition team and you will most likely get the same result.

Take Nash, Kobe, Nowitzki, Deron William, or CP3 off their current team and join them with 2 other superstars then play back against the weak core they left behind (that has no SUPERSTARS remaining). Can you really expect a bunch of non-superstar supporting cast to really succeed? NO!

[sh0wtime]

The whole decision thing was a bad idea, but if he chose NY at least there wouldn't be stuff like this

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/z%20Funny%20NBA%20Photos/Others%20Masterpiece/0%20queen%20lebron%20james/WADEs%20Pippen/e2b5b9f2.jpg

Haha, but there is also stuff like this. :)

http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/6917/batmansuperman3.jpg

[crisoner]

This is not fair comparison!

Take main player of the team and put him with 2 other superstars on opposition team and you will most likely get the same result.

Take Nash, Kobe, Nowitzki, Deron William, or CP3 off their current team and join them with 2 other superstars then play back against the weak core they left behind (that has no SUPERSTARS remaining). Can you really expect a bunch of non-superstar supporting cast to really succeed? NO!

They could of if they played pisst like the fan base was.
But nope....they where busy making jokes with LeBron etc. WTF was that? :facepalm

[Sarcastic]

Haha, but there is also stuff like this. :)

http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/6917/batmansuperman3.jpg

That is far less prevalent. For the most part he has been ripped for joining Wade, and becoming the sidekick. In NY he never would have been called the sidekick nor Scottie Pippen or anything like that.

[50inchvertical]

Ummmm Laker fans where pisst. We booed him the first game at home in 2008.
Lucky us Bynum started balling....and the boom we landed Gasol half way through the season.



He did. LeBron disrespected the his old teammates by stating the talent in Miami was better then he ever played with. You know the team that helped him get 60 plus wins the last two years.

And he also said in an interview after the Decision that he hated Cleveland growing up. Come on....who does that?
Your arguments all suck. LeBron took them to 60 wins more than the other way around. If you couldn't see that, especially after tonight, then your Kobe bias is clouding your judgement to an extent that is just alarming.

And do you even dispute that Wade and Bosh are better than any 2 teammates LeBron has had up to this point in his career? It's 2 all stars, still in their prime and not on the end of their careers, nor guys who just got voted into the all star game as replacements and after much lobbying by LeBron anyways. By your standards, any FA who ever leaves is disrespecting the team and situation he leaves from.

[Kingwillball]

Lebron left because he's just not good enough to win without a top 3 player and top 15 player on his team.


Im assuming U think Kobe could of won with the Cavs Cast? U saw tonight how much he meant to that team and why they won so many games and now they are the run of the mill team.

[StillKill24]

Im assuming U think Kobe could of won with the Cavs Cast? U saw tonight how much he meant to that team and why they won so many games and now they are the run of the mill team.

Yes he could have cause kobe wouldn't quit against Boston like lebron did. and who cares if the cavs got blown out last night ? they already beat a much better team than the heat this year, that already beat miami twice the celtics.:oldlol:

[LA KB24]

Lol, so much grammar fail ITT.

[50inchvertical]

Yes he could have cause kobe wouldn't quit against Boston like lebron did. and who cares if the cavs got blown out last night ? they already beat a much better team than the heat this year, that already beat miami twice the celtics.:oldlol:
Wait? The Lakers didn't quit against the Celtics? What game did you watch? They lost by 39 pts in the championship game in 2008

And against the Pistons Kobe continued to chuck away despite shooting under 38% and having Shaq down there shooting 62%

[sh0wtime]

That is far less prevalent. For the most part he has been ripped for joining Wade, and becoming the sidekick. In NY he never would have been called the sidekick nor Scottie Pippen or anything like that.

Who calls him for a sidekick anyways? No sane unbiased mature basketball knowledged human being does that, its either those Lebron haters, they hated him before and they hate him after and now Cavs fans who use that to try and get under his skin. He would not be called Pippen/Sidekick by some if he went to NY sure (well Amare is there), but everything else would have remained the same.

That sidekick bs doesnt bother Lebron, you see, its different to call somebody for something to try get under his skin and knowing what he really is or is not. We all know Lebron aint no sidekick, closer to vice versa.

To chant Scottie Pippens name was ridicilously stupid idea according to me anyways, why not Robert Horry or something like that? Because comparing him to Scottie Pippen is a big compliment, the guy was probably the best defender ever and one of the most versatile/all-round skilled players ever.

Its ok if people think Lebron is Scottie Pippen, thats a huge compliment, but sidekick is something else. You can be a Scottie Pippen and not be a sidekick, if Scottie played right now, in his prime, next to Wade... i would call Wade the sidekick, thats how good Pippen was. If Lebron is Scottie, then Wade sure aint no Jordan. If Lebron is a sidekick, then who can he possibly be a sidekick to? Bosh?

Pippen was one of my favorite players of all time, i watched him live since day 1 so i didnt like the mocking of Pippen either. The little microscopical respect i had for Cleveland/Cavs fans has sunken even further, i understand the intention and their emotions but they executed very badly, they exaggarated.

[StillKill24]

Wait? The Lakers didn't quit against the Celtics? What game did you watch? They lost by 39 pts in the championship game in 2008
Lakers didn't have hca in that series, cavs in 2010 did and did you even watch that game? i didn't see no quitness.:no:


And against the Pistons Kobe continued to chuck away despite shooting under 38% and having Shaq down there shooting 62%
ok? that's not quiting

[Kurosawa0]

He left because that Cavs were a million miles away from being able to beat the Lakers or Celtics in a series. The Cavs needed a major talent upgrade to do so and they didn't have any pieces to improve anything more than marginally.

It didn't seem that bad in the regular season, but the Celtics really exposed them. Mo Williams and Antawn Jamison weren't ever going to get it done and Cleveland had very few options of improving in a dramatic way.

What could they have done? Make the trade for Ramon Sessions and maybe get Mike Miller with the mid-level? Maybe?

As much as everyone wants to bash the Heat, with how the Celtics and Lakers are stacked, you have to have a loaded team to compete now. Chicago and Miami were the only teams in the running that presented that opportunity and LeBron picked Miami.

[LA KB24]

Who calls him for a sidekick anyways? No sane unbiased mature basketball knowledged human being does that, its either those Lebron haters, they hated him before and they hate him after and now Cavs fans who use that to try and get under his skin. He would not be called Pippen/Sidekick by some if he went to NY sure (well Amare is there), but everything else would have remained the same.

That sidekick bs doesnt bother Lebron, you see, its different to call somebody for something to try get under his skin and knowing what he really is or is not. We all know Lebron aint no sidekick, closer to vice versa.

To chant Scottie Pippens name was ridicilously stupid idea according to me anyways, why not Robert Horry or something like that? Because comparing him to Scottie Pippen is a big compliment, the guy was probably the best defender ever and one of the most versatile/all-round skilled players ever.

He was one of my favorite players of all time, i watched him live since day 1, mocking Pippen aswell? The little microscopical respect i had for Cleveland/Cavs fans has sunken even further, i understand the intention and their emotions but they executed very badly, they exaggarated.

You are such a f@ggot, remove that Magic avy, you don't deserve to rep it.

[Sarcastic]

Who calls him for a sidekick anyways? No sane unbiased mature basketball knowledged human being does that, its either those Lebron haters, they hated him before and they hate him after and now Cavs fans who use that to try and get under his skin. He would not be called Pippen/Sidekick by some if he went to NY sure (well Amare is there), but everything else would have remained the same.

That sidekick bs doesnt bother Lebron, you see, its different to call somebody for something to try get under his skin and knowing what he really is or is not. We all know Lebron aint no sidekick, closer to vice versa.

To chant Scottie Pippens name was ridicilously stupid idea according to me anyways, why not Robert Horry or something like that? Because comparing him to Scottie Pippen is a big compliment, the guy was probably the best defender ever and one of the most versatile/all-round skilled players ever.

He was one of my favorite players of all time, i watched him live since day 1, mocking Pippen aswell? The little microscopical respect i had for Cleveland/Cavs fans has sunken even further, i understand the intention and their emotions but they executed very badly, they exaggarated.

I am not saying he actually is a sidekick. I am saying his image took a hit because some view him that way, whether it's true or not. In NY he doesn't take that image hit.

[LA KB24]

He left because that Cavs were a million miles away from being able to beat the Lakers or Celtics in a series. The Cavs needed a major talent upgrade to do so and they didn't have any pieces to improve anything more than marginally.

It didn't seem that bad in the regular season, but the Celtics really exposed them. Mo Williams and Antawn Jamison weren't ever going to get it done and Cleveland had very few options of improving in a dramatic way.

What could they have done? Make the trade for Ramon Sessions and maybe get Mike Miller with the mid-level? Maybe?

As much as everyone wants to bash the Heat, with how the Celtics and Lakers are stacked, you have to have a loaded team to compete now. Chicago and Miami were the only teams in the running that presented that opportunity and LeBron picked Miami.

Nobody is hating on him for leaving, he had the right. It's just the way he did it was disgusting, he never apologized, and made up some BS about how it was for the kids. :rolleyes:

[sh0wtime]

You are such a f@ggot, remove that Magic avy, you don't deserve to rep it.

Excuse me? Did i unintentionally insult you somehow in that post?

[StillKill24]

Nobody is hating on him for leaving, he had the right. It's just the way he did it was disgusting, he never apologized, and made up some BS about how it was for the kids. :rolleyes:

lol that's lebron apologists for ya. :oldlol:

[Kurosawa0]

Nobody is hating on him for leaving, he had the right. It's just the way he did it was disgusting, he never apologized, and made up some BS about how it was for the kids. :rolleyes:

Come on now. If he had left in just press release, you don't think the fans boo him tonight? It's always been about him leaving more than how he left.

The complaining about the TV show is getting old. It was clearly something organized to maximize the moment and LeBron has said that he should've done it differently. It deserves nothing more than a roll of the eyes. It's not like he committed a crime or anything.

In the scope of bad things celebrities/athletes have done in the last decade, The Decision is nothing.

I've said it before. Ron Artest running into the stands and attacking a fan was far worse than anything LeBron has ever done.

[mrhoopfan]

LeBron nut huggers will always put all the blame on the management, coaching and his teammates as usual.

For 3 years the Cavs had been in the top 3 and the last 2 years they had been #1 in the league. You can't be the #1 team in the league with a supporting cast that sucks.

Mo Williams is an all-star, Antwan Jamison is an All-Star, Anderson Varejao is a great 6th man and made the All-Defensive 2nd team, Shaq is a hall of famer and was an all-star the year before joining the Cavs (now having a good year in Boston), Big Z was a serviceable big man and a 2x All-Star a few years ago and Parker was the #1 3-point shooter in the NBA.

Everybody was fine with the Cavs supporting cast when they won 66 games, they were happy with the supporting cast when they were 1 win away from being undefeated at home, nothing was wrong with the supporting cast when they were killing the Bulls, Pistons and Hawks in the playoffs but as soon as they lose to Orlando and Boston the excuse is that LeBron is playing with a bunch of scrubs.

Y'all say Cleveland wasn't built for the playoffs, but somehow they managed to stay competitive with the Celtics when Lebron shot 2-20 and had 10 turnovers.

You switch siders are hilarious. You guys are the same dudes that picked the Cavs to win it all the last 2 years are now saying ''they weren't built for the playoffs''....well then why do you all keep picking them to win it all?

Now what's the excuse for the Heat when they don't win? They weren't built for the playoffs either? LeBron and Wade just couldn't co-exist? The supporting cast sucks?



Naw man, just look at the cavs now is all I'm saying. And, what was their record over the last two years when Lebron didn't suit up????


eBron James

548 Games Played

339 Games Won

LeBron James' Win Percentage = .618

Cavs win percentage without LeBron James = .384 (26 Games)

Difference = .234:(

[Soundwave]

LeBron made the right decision, he just went about it in the wrong way.

And yes, Miami was the best overall option.

New York is too much of a joke for the last decade, just adding Amare wasn't good enough.

Chicago was kind of a lose-lose proposition ... you win, but you'll probably never win enough to get out of Jordan's shadow, it you lose, then it's the Jordan curse. And honestly really would Derrick Rose and Carlos Boozer take any less shots than Wade + Bosh?

Miami has Riley as GM, Wade is a proven commodity, Bosh is solid, the weather's great ... I mean not much to hate about that situation.

[jrong]

lebron led this team to 66 wins ???? LOL

bow to the king

Shaq, Delonte, Z... it ain't the same team.

[BlazersDozen]

Lebron asked for a sidekick, he got Mo Williams and Antawn Jamison. What a joke.

**** the Cavs, they took Lebron for granted.

This

They were using Mo Gotti as a second option when on an actual contender he'd probably be the first guard off the bench and Jamison as a Robin type player when the best he is now is his role he had in Dallas, sixth man. The only other good player on that team was Delonte West and he is even on the bench of a contender.

There is no reason a contender should contend with starters like Mo, Jamison, old & fat Shaq, old Big Z, Delonte West or Anthony Parker as starters.

He needed players like a Caron Butler and Amar'e Stoudemire with a defensive center like Tyson Chandler.

Now even with Mo Williams...

Williams
Butler
James
Stoudemire
Chandler

Dope team & I'm sure they could've landed at least two of those guys seeing how they were all on the trading block last season.

[ginobli2311]

all-star does not mean great player.

mo williams is a decent regular season player and an awful playoff performer.

[BlueandGold]

To chant Scottie Pippens name was ridicilously stupid idea according to me anyways, why not Robert Horry or something like that? Because comparing him to Scottie Pippen is a big compliment, the guy was probably the best defender ever and one of the most versatile/all-round skilled players ever.

Its ok if people think Lebron is Scottie Pippen, thats a huge compliment, but sidekick is something else. You can be a Scottie Pippen and not be a sidekick, if Scottie played right now, in his prime, next to Wade... i would call Wade the sidekick, thats how good Pippen was. If Lebron is Scottie, then Wade sure aint no Jordan. If Lebron is a sidekick, then who can he possibly be a sidekick to? Bosh?

Pippen was one of my favorite players of all time, i watched him live since day 1 so i didnt like the mocking of Pippen either. The little microscopical respect i had for Cleveland/Cavs fans has sunken even further, i understand the intention and their emotions but they executed very badly, they exaggarated.

So your pretty much saying that Lebron is very comparable to scottie pippen? what are you arguing about then?


mo williams is a decent regular season player and an awful playoff performer.

so is lebron.

[BlueandGold]

Idiot

Watch the 2007 Pistons Game, Celtics Series in 2008, and Orlando Magic Series in 2009. I hope you can kill yourself after the heat beat the Lakers in the playoffs.

Your favorite NBA Player won his first NBA Finals MVP in his early 30's. I am sure LeBron would win an NBA Finals MVP in his late 20's.

Keep on posting in a bigger font, shows people how intelligent you really are. and lol @ this kid trying to desperately defend his hero at every opportunity. You must be really busy these days. :lol

lol Lebron won't even be as highly regarded as Pippen when he retires. Most people who have watched him play out his career so far realize this, only the retards who have Lebron in their name and 20,000+ post counts refuse to accept this.

and lol reported. Have fun with another ban and your hero going down the drain hahaha. meanwhile your arch nemesis Kobe will be counting his rings.

lol @ *** Lebron barely being over .500 with Wade and Bosh, hahahaha. Lol you can never talk about Lebron with this kid, too emotional over his butthero rofl

[ginobli2311]

Keep on posting in a bigger font, shows people how intelligent you really are. and lol @ this kid trying to desperately defend his hero at every opportunity. You must be really busy these days. :lol

lol Lebron won't even be as highly regarded as Pippen when he retires. Most people who have watched him play out his career so far realize this, only the retards who have Lebron in their name and 20,000+ post counts refuse to accept this.

and lol reported. Have fun with another ban and your hero going down the drain hahaha. meanwhile your arch nemesis Kobe will be counting his rings.

lol @ *** Lebron barely being over .500 with Wade and Bosh, hahahaha. Lol you can never talk about Lebron with this kid, too emotional over his butthero rofl

lol at the lakers losing 4 in a row with a much more loaded team and the best coach ever.

LOL

and anyone that knows the game already has lebron over pippen. you are a retard if you don't already know that.

if lebron retired after this year he'd go down as one of the twenty best players ever. moron.

[BlueandGold]

You are mentally retarded. LeBron is a 2x NBA MVP. He's clearly the Miami Heat's best player so far this season. He's going to win an NBA title someday. Please remember than Hakeem won his first NBA title when he was 31 yrs.old.

By the way Welcome to my Ignore lists.

PS:

Shut the F*ck up!!!

Like I said too emotional when it comes to Lebron. lol it's ironic that this kid posted a clown instead of deciding to actually respond to my comments. Everyone on ISH knows Lebron23 and ginobli are both huge ones.


lol at the lakers losing 4 in a row with a much more loaded team and the best coach ever.

LOL

and anyone that knows the game already has lebron over pippen. you are a retard if you don't already know that.

if lebron retired after this year he'd go down as one of the twenty best players ever. moron.

rofl and this kid is too emotional when it comes to the Lakers/Lebron. Don't be mad cause everyone on ISH knows you guys are both retarded.

edit: and lol @ this post.

[Lebron23]

lol at the lakers losing 4 in a row with a much more loaded team and the best coach ever.

LOL

and anyone that knows the game already has lebron over pippen. you are a retard if you don't already know that.

if lebron retired after this year he'd go down as one of the twenty best players ever. moron.

Put him on your ignore list. Let's stop feeding the troll.

[Yung D-Will]

l

if lebron retired after this year he'd go down as one of the twenty best players ever. moron.

yikes

[jrong]

You can be a Scottie Pippen and not be a sidekick, if Scottie played right now, in his prime, next to Wade... i would call Wade the sidekick, thats how good Pippen was.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry here.

[PrimeJohnnyDepp]

Nobody is hating on him for leaving, he had the right. It's just the way he did it was disgusting, he never apologized, and made up some BS about how it was for the kids. :rolleyes:

He has to apologise for doing so? It was disgusting, in which ****ing way? Do you even remember? You just like to hate. Try music.

He left on a pop culture thing, trying to be the King in a decadent city, and now every decadence is making him balder because he's allows to be frustrated. That's not pop art James. What would Gaga say? This does not please Gaga.

What would Horatio say? Don't allow Sports to be an exclusive blue collar thing James. You are a cartoon so have the balls to act like one from now on.

[PrimeJohnnyDepp]

Another example how Jordan, when he made the league, basically ruined it for next generations of viewers.

The best in the league now = the best Jordan impresionator.

Lebron is a sidekick because Wade appears more like Jordan then James.

Shaq was always taken for granted because he was not a guard. People always wanted for Kobe to succeed more because he's more like Jordan.

People like to project themselves on a Jordan-like player, others are side-kicks and villains.

[DukeDelonte13]

1. Mo Williams is second best player but not even a top 10 pg
2a. Could've had Amare but didn't wanna give up Hickson:wtf:
2b. Kept Hickson, but then he and Boobie Gibson( underappreciated0 don't get burn??
3. Varejao with that big contract.........Varejao???????????
:facepalm

1. Mo clearly wasn't the second best player on the cavs. It was Andy.

2. Cavs OFFERED Hickson. Suns balked.

3. Varejao makes 7 mil a year. Not bad for a 1st team all defense big.

[stephanieg]

The biggest mistakes they made were sitting on the Wally contract and sucking at the draft. The trades they made were pretty decent. Also got unlucky with the Boozer situation, although the idea of resting your hopes and dreams on the psyches of LeBron and Boozer is scary.

[ginobli2311]

yikes

name me twenty guys for sure better.

[Ne 1]

LeBron made the right decision, he just went about it in the wrong way.

And yes, Miami was the best overall option.

New York is too much of a joke for the last decade, just adding Amare wasn't good enough.

Chicago was kind of a lose-lose proposition ... you win, but you'll probably never win enough to get out of Jordan's shadow, it you lose, then it's the Jordan curse. And honestly really would Derrick Rose and Carlos Boozer take any less shots than Wade + Bosh?

Miami has Riley as GM, Wade is a proven commodity, Bosh is solid, the weather's great ... I mean not much to hate about that situation.

Chicago clearly would have been the best fit, well either Chicago or staying with the Cavs. I don't buy into the ''Jordan's shadow'' crap. If that was really the reason then that proves to me that LeBron is a b*tch and has no mental toughness at all if he felt he couldn't handle the pressure of MJ's "shadow". So I guess not other superstar will ever play for Chicago again because of MJ? :rolleyes: Jordan hadn't played for the Bulls for 12 years. The Bulls have been a mediocre team since 1999 so its not like they would have high expectations. If Carmelo decides to leave Denver is he gonna decided not to play for Chicago because he's afraid of "Jordan's shadow"? In 2007 when Kobe was on the verge of being traded to the Bulls did he shriek in horror at the foot of Jordan's shadow? Of course not.

Maybe that is why he chose Miami. He faced the fact that he isn't able to lead a team to a championship and has to go play for another superstars team and take a backseat to a proven champion leader. He needs to take a backseat to a player that is as good, if not better than him in order for him to win.

[crisoner]

name me twenty guys for sure better.


Talent wise and potential I got Bron in the top 5 of all time...But career wise if he was out now he will be seen as a failure. Bron got some things he needs to do..like win a ring or two.

[Ne 1]

all-star does not mean great player.

mo williams is a decent regular season player and an awful playoff performer.

The problem is that LeBron just isn't built to run a team. It's clear as day.


Skip said it best: ''Lebron James is made for the regular season, he's a regular season dynamo, he's made for our Sports Center plays of the night, he's always number one in the regular season but come post season time... post season! he's the most overrated, over-hyped superstar in my history in this business.''



LeBron just makes players around him worse.

I'm sure even if LeBron James teamed up with Larry Bird and Michael Jordan he would still find a way to make them look like lost D-League hacks and all his apologetic fans would then say that Bird was overrated and soft and suggest that Jordan should come off the bench or be traded. (Does this sound familiar? :oldlol:)

[50inchvertical]

The problem is that LeBron just isn't built to run a team. It's clear as day.


Skip said it best: ''Lebron James is made for the regular season, he's a regular season dynamo, he's made for our Sports Center plays of the night, he's always number one in the regular season but come post season time... post season! he's the most overrated, over-hyped superstar in my history in this business.''



LeBron just makes players around him worse.

I'm sure even if LeBron James teamed up with Larry Bird and Michael Jordan he would still find a way to make them look like lost D-League hacks and all his apologetic fans would then say that Bird was overrated and soft and suggest that Jordan should come off the bench or be traded. (Does this sound familiar? :oldlol:)
:oldlol: You can't be serious. Since he left, does anybody even know any of these guys exist? Mo Williams was an all star alongside LeBron, last night he was 2 for 8. Next to LeBron people thought Hickson would be the next Amare, without LeBron, he's exposed as a guy who is decently athletic and just benefited off of LeBron double teams by catching and finishing. He had 6 last night. Anderson Varajeo went from being an all NBA defender to, a guy playing hard in games nobody is watching or caring about anymore. Only reason anybody knew who he was was because of all the Cavs being on tv, due to LeBron. All that hustle and flopping and heart and "defense," now is going to be for naught. You could go on, but to say LeBron made any of those dudes worse is hilarious. They'll be lucky to win 30 games.

[drinkingforfun]

Too many Lakers fan on ISH and not enough good poster.

U mad?

[Jasper]

I don't think anyone wonders why he left, however people wonder why he acted like a douche while doing it. Cleveland sucked ass that isn't news.

Bucks didn't keep Williams , that was speaking volumes about his punk attitude.
He was all good , letting Bron do all the ball handling..
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Cav's failed by management , trying to build around Lebron in the wrong direction.
They needed to get a legit , center and a PG that did ball handling duties..
Instead that got Jamison :facepalm

NEw GM , New Coach .. plez do tell :oldlol:

[RonySeikalyFTL]

FTW... exactly.

LeDiva James acted like a major douche and is trying to take a shortcut to a title. Makes him look very week instead of someone with class.


:pimp:

Yeah your favorite player has sooooo much class, that's why he rapes white chicks and publically ridicules his teammates.

GTFO you irrational hater.

[crisoner]

Yeah your favorite player has sooooo much class, that's why he rapes white chicks and publically ridicules his teammates.

GTFO you irrational hater.

And this is suppose to justify LeBron's idiotic behavior since this off season?




FAIL

[SoCalMike]

Yeah your favorite player has sooooo much class, that's why he rapes white chicks and publically ridicules his teammates.

GTFO you irrational hater.

Um STFU... I did not say anything about Kobe... get a clue.. I don't care if you don't like my post, but there is a strong element of truth in what I said...

- he has been a self centered diva
- he is taking a short cut to a title

If the dude would just grow up and handle his business with class AND humility, he would be loved by all. He brought this on himself, now he has to own it.

The fact that your rationalization by trying to tag me as a Kobe homer proves you are full of it.

And just so you know wise guy, I really don't like Kobe as a person either... geez.


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[Mr Clutch Melo]

so is lebron.

Yeah, his playoffs stats is 30/8/8 but thats awful right:rolleyes:

Stupid trolls:facepalm

[RonySeikalyFTL]

And this is suppose to justify LeBron's idiotic behavior since this off season?




FAIL

Not justify it, put it in perspective. You morons act like Lebron is f*cking Hitler because you didn't like the way he handled the decision. Kobe rapes a white chick, bashed his teammates and demanded a trade before shady Jerry West handed LA Pau Gasol for free.

Perspective.

[RonySeikalyFTL]

Um STFU... I did not say anything about Kobe... get a clue.. I don't care if you don't like my post, but there is a strong element of truth in what I said...

- he has been a self centered diva
- he is taking a short cut to a title

If the dude would just grow up and handle his business with class AND humility, he would be loved by all. He brought this on himself, now he has to own it.

The fact that your rationalization by trying to tag me as a Kobe homer proves you are full of it.

And just so you know wise guy, I really don't like Kobe as a person either... geez.


:pimp:

Okay, if you aknowledge Kobe isn't a good person then why are you playing moral f*cking police with Lebron? Oh wait, I know why... You have an agenda. Discredit Lebron to build up Kobe.

[RonySeikalyFTL]

Double post.

[RonySeikalyFTL]

And all this short-cut talk is total bs. The only reason Kobe plays for LA is because he took a giant "short-cut" and demanded to be traded by the small market Hornets to the big market Shaq-led Lakers. Then after running Shaq out of town he takes another "short-cut" by demanding a trade until his team pulls off the shady Gasol theft.

You f*cking people are so hypocritical it's ridiculous.

[Ne 1]

Not justify it, put it in perspective. You morons act like Lebron is f*cking Hitler because you didn't like the way he handled the decision. Kobe rapes a white chick, bashed his teammates and demanded a trade before shady Jerry West handed LA Pau Gasol for free.

Perspective.

:oldlol:


You must be one of Kate Fabers ex-lovers or something.

Sorry man, but your girl was a whore!

[catch24]

A lot of hypocrisy in this thread, that's for sure.

[RonySeikalyFTL]

:oldlol:


You must be one of Kate Fabers ex-lovers or something.

Sorry man, but your girl was a whore!

Lol at the fact that you actually remember that skanks name. I bet you're jealous and wish Kobe had his way with you instead:roll:

[indiefan24]

And all this short-cut talk is total bs. The only reason Kobe plays for LA is because he took a giant "short-cut" and demanded to be traded by the small market Hornets to the big market Shaq-led Lakers. Then after running Shaq out of town he takes another "short-cut" by demanding a trade until his team pulls off the shady Gasol theft.

You f*cking people are so hypocritical it's ridiculous.

Sorry man if you're calling everyone else in this thread a hypocrite then you're right up there with them. At least get your facts straight instead of spewing out bullshit.

The Lakers worked out Kobe and had every intention of drafting him prior to the draft. They gave up their starting center at the time in order to get him. Kobe was actually on the Lakers before Shaq signed there.

I'm not going to argue that Kobe didn't contribute to Shaq no longer wanting to stay in LA, but most of that had to do with Jerry Buss' opposition to giving Shaq a long term extension. I believe Shaq himself said that it was Buss' fault that he was traded/left.

Yes, Kobe demanded a trade prior to the 07-08 season, but he backed off those demands well before Gasol came to the Lakers. The team was in first place prior to the Lakers trading for Gasol.

RonySeikalyFTL = :facepalm

[RonySeikalyFTL]

A lot of hypocrisy in this thread, that's for sure.

Yup... Kobe demands to start his career in LA with Shaq, and irrational Lebron haters have the audacity to say James took the easy way out. Sh*t, Lebron should have just refused to play in Cleveland from day one like Kobe did.

[indiefan24]

Yup... Kobe demands to start his career in LA with Shaq, and irrational Lebron haters have the audacity to say James took the easy way out. Sh*t, Lebron should have just refused to play in Cleveland from day one like Kobe did.

You know what I said about Kobe being drafted by the Lakers in my previous post was correct, but im glad to see you're doing the research.

[RonySeikalyFTL]

Sorry man if you're calling everyone else in this thread a hypocrite then you're right up there with them. At least get your facts straight instead of spewing out bullshit.

The Lakers worked out Kobe and had every intention of drafting him prior to the draft. They gave up their starting center at the time in order to get him. Kobe was actually on the Lakers before Shaq signed there.

I'm not going to argue that Kobe didn't contribute to Shaq no longer wanting to stay in LA, but most of that had to do with Jerry Buss' opposition to giving Shaq a long term extension. I believe Shaq himself said that it was Buss' fault that he was traded/left.

Yes, Kobe demanded a trade prior to the 07-08 season, but he backed off those demands well before Gasol came to the Lakers. The team was in first place prior to the Lakers trading for Gasol.

RonySeikalyFTL = :facepalm

Think you need to get your facts straight. That starting center you were talking about was Vlade Divacs, and here's a quote from him:
"I knew they were thinking about getting Shaq and obviously in order to do that, they needed to trade me," Divac said. "I am not at all angry with the Lakers. The thing is, they are like my family. When I came here they were wonderful to me, so I want to help them in any way I can. "

NJ was thinking about drafting Kobe instead of Kerry Kittles as well, and Kobe said there's no way in hell he would play in NJ.

And if you're really stupid enough to believe Kobe didn't run Shaq out of town, then I don't know what to tell you. I'm gonna go ahead and give you the benefit of the doubt and say you didn't follow basketball when all that was going on.

[thejumpa]

The problem is that LeBron just isn't built to run a team. It's clear as day.


Skip said it best: ''Lebron James is made for the regular season, he's a regular season dynamo, he's made for our Sports Center plays of the night, he's always number one in the regular season but come post season time... post season! he's the most overrated, over-hyped superstar in my history in this business.''



LeBron just makes players around him worse.

I'm sure even if LeBron James teamed up with Larry Bird and Michael Jordan he would still find a way to make them look like lost D-League hacks and all his apologetic fans would then say that Bird was overrated and soft and suggest that Jordan should come off the bench or be traded. (Does this sound familiar? :oldlol:)

:roll:

Look at this closet LeBron fan. Quoting Skip Bayless of all people. Saying LeBron makes players around him worse. Maybe he just retire huh? You're a ****ing idiot. Quit acting like you know something about basketball because you don't. Ignored.....

[indiefan24]

Think you need to get your facts straight. That starting center you were talking about was Vlade Divacs, and here's a quote from him:
"I knew they were thinking about getting Shaq and obviously in order to do that, they needed to trade me," Divac said. "I am not at all angry with the Lakers. The thing is, they are like my family. When I came here they were wonderful to me, so I want to help them in any way I can. "

NJ was thinking about drafting Kobe instead of Kerry Kittles as well, and Kobe said there's no way in hell he would play in NJ.

And if you're really stupid enough to believe Kobe didn't run Shaq out of town, then I don't know what to tell you. I'm gonna go ahead and give you the benefit of the doubt and say you didn't follow basketball when all that was going on.


In your original post you said:



The only reason Kobe plays for LA is because he took a giant "short-cut" and demanded to be traded by the small market Hornets to the big market Shaq-led Lakers.

Kobe did not demand to be traded from the Hornets. You can read right? It was a prearranged draft day deal. You are really stretching it if you are claiming that the Lakers told Kobe they were definitely going to trade for Shaq and that's what made him push for the Nets not to draft him.

As for the running Shaq out of town issue, I never denied Kobe was a factor did I? You have to be stupid to think that Buss would just give Shaq a 5 year $100 million extension when he was on the downside of his career.

Glad to see you had a response to my Gasol comment...:rolleyes:

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and consider you an irrational poster so there's no point in me further proving how wrong you are.

[indiefan24]

One final thing...

I could care less about what LeBron has done.

I know Kobe is not anywhere near to having a moral compass.

[NbaFan432]

Too many Lakers fan on ISH and not enough good poster.

U mad?
:lol :applause:

[chazzy]

The only reason Kobe plays for LA is because he took a giant "short-cut" and demanded to be traded by the small market Hornets to the big market Shaq-led Lakers.
http://www2.journalnow.com/sports/2008/jun/18/lakers-trade-for-bryant-has-been-misconstrued-ar-113126/

[Knoe Itawl]

Come on now. If he had left in just press release, you don't think the fans boo him tonight? It's always been about him leaving more than how he left.

The complaining about the TV show is getting old. It was clearly something organized to maximize the moment and LeBron has said that he should've done it differently. It deserves nothing more than a roll of the eyes. It's not like he committed a crime or anything.

In the scope of bad things celebrities/athletes have done in the last decade, The Decision is nothing.

I've said it before. Ron Artest running into the stands and attacking a fan was far worse than anything LeBron has ever done.

You will never EVER get these Bron haters to accept reason. The details don't matter. They have a reason to hate so they're going to unleash. Most people who have defended Lebron in all of this agreed that the decision special was a bad idea. But it just wasn't worth going on and on about this many months later. Again, it's just an excuse to pile on and overdo it. As far as Bron hate goes you have:

Kobe fans - They don't care about his supposed "ego" because if they DID, they wouldn't be Kobe fans. It's all about the chance to take down the person considered the biggest threat to him. Period.

Cleveland fans - Understandable, but come on. I've known people that have been in long term relationships that haven't carried a torch this long. He left, you booed, you cried, get over it. There's worse things in life than what went on with your sports team.

Sheep - Those that follow the pack and jump on whatever bandwagon. Now it's Bron, and they don't even know why they're hating him but it's the "thing" to do now.

Teenagers - Similar to sheep but they're kids so their judgement isn't fully developed yet.

Bron is 25. He's made mistakes, but by all accounts his teammates enjoyed playing with him, and he was a good leader/teammate. Of course the negativity is blown out of proportion. Hey, not everyone is going to like all sports stars. Some you root for, some you don't. But I fail to see anything that Bron has done that's been soooo horrible as to make him this huge villain. It's all media hype, lemmings and people with a set agenda.

[chips93]

1. Mo Williams is second best player but not even a top 10 pg
2a. Could've had Amare but didn't wanna give up Hickson:wtf:
2b. Kept Hickson, but then he and Boobie Gibson( underappreciated0 don't get burn??
3. Varejao with that big contract.........Varejao???????????


if you watch varejao consistently you would understand how good he is

cleveland has been a great defensive team with ilgauskas playing minutes as well as poor defenders like mo and jamison, because varejao is soo goo on d, defends pick and rolls as well as anybody, and hustles on every rebound

[SoCalMike]

Okay, if you aknowledge Kobe isn't a good person then why are you playing moral f*cking police with Lebron? Oh wait, I know why... You have an agenda. Discredit Lebron to build up Kobe.

You are a complete tool... now I am not allowed to voice my opinion of players? WTF is this site for?

You are the biggest Lebron stans I have ever seen... (so far). Talk about myopia!

Wow...:oldlol:



:pimp:

[oh the horror]

Frankly, when the conversation, and debating gets to a point where someone is attempting to discredit another person's opinion merely because of the team they root for, or the player they root for, then you know the conversation is over. Thats just ridiciulous.


"lolz ur just some stupid kobe homer"



Who acts like this?

[SoCalMike]

Frankly, when the conversation, and debating gets to a point where someone is attempting to discredit another person's opinion merely because of the team they root for, or the player they root for, then you know the conversation is over. Thats just ridiciulous.


"lolz ur just some stupid kobe homer"



Who acts like this?

well said and repped when i can... exactly... not once did i bring up the team i like... i do have an opinion about lebron and his behavior, and there's nothing wrong with it. it has nothing to do with any other team in the league...and if he played for the lakers, i would be just as disgusted.


:pimp: