And LeBron blows it again on the after game interview....

[crisoner]

WOW...

Continue his greatness?

Man...speechless.


UPDATE

Here is what LeBron exactly said

...


"I got the utmost respect for this franchise, the utmost respect for these fans...and...you know...just continue the greatness for myself here in Miami and continue to get better everyday"

Craig: Do you regret how it ended, do you want to apologize on how it ended?

"I don't want to apologize. I think....you know...my intentions were never to hurt anyone, my intentions were solely on the kids during the whole process."

[asdf1990]

U think his gonna apologize after all the bs Cavs fan pulled? I am glad he didn't, maybe his finally ready to embrace being a Villian.

[CanadaBBallFan]

Drop it dude...it was an emotional game...he said he respects the fans and the franchise, but he is focusing on getting himself to the next level...time to stop letting him hurt your feelings every time someone sticks a mic in his face.

[kabalcage]

LMAO.

Does this guy have a writer?

"Taking my talents" and now "continuing my greatness" are now going to be repeated ad nauseam

[PowerGlove]

This is getting out of hand, he's arrogant, who cares? He's going to continue his greatness/career/whatever in Miami.

[50inchvertical]

He actually said, "more greatness for myself," which I think was refferring to the Heat continuing to improve as he alluded to in the previous sentence. Of course, when every thing you say and do is scrutinized so heavily, you can always be made to look bad.

[Skip Bayless]

Prince James needs to grow up.

["Jesus"]

Yeah he definitely did not say continue MY GREATNESS. He was clearly referring to the the team. Don't know what the **** you guys heard.

[CanadaBBallFan]

Prince James needs to grow up.

Nah dude, you do. Really, grow up and stop hating.

[sh0wtime]

He actually said, "more greatness for myself," which I think was refferring to the Heat continuing to improve as he alluded to in the previous sentence. Of course, when every thing you say and do is scrutinized so heavily, you can always be made to look bad.

This.

Once again Lebron haters taking Lebrons words out of context.

[CanadaBBallFan]

Yeah he definitely did not say continue MY GREATNESS. He was clearly referring to the the team. Don't know what the **** you guys heard.

This :bowdown: :bowdown:

But haters still need to be angry.

[Lebron23]

Yeah he definitely did not say continue MY GREATNESS. He was clearly referring to the the team. Don't know what the **** you guys heard.


This

[Indian guy]

I guess this is all LAKER fans have for tonight. What a sad existence.

[305Baller]

Haha you guys need to stop believing anything you read.. He didnt say his greatness. He said "my pancakes".

[Samvt]

Haters need to let lebron's dong out of their mouth. He's gone.

[Fatal9]

it was all about the kids man

[Soundwave]

LeBron's not the most eloquent speaker, we all know that, but he could praise the city of Cleveland for 30 minutes and the haters would just jump on the one phrase that doesn't quite sound right and run with it.

It's getting a little ridiculous.

[crisoner]

This is getting out of hand, he's arrogant, who cares? He's going to continue his greatness/career/whatever in Miami.


I have no problem with someone being over confident as a way to show off arrogance...but talking about your own greatness? With all that has transpired over the last couple of month that lil comment goes far.

[RonySeikalyFTL]

I have to admit, I lol'd.

You think maybe he just said that to piss off oversensitive little girls like you?

I do. Look's like it worked.

[crisoner]

I guess this is all LAKER fans have for tonight. What a sad existence.


Yeah rooting for a team who won back to back titles is a sad existence indeed.

[Stuckey]

when you're the best in the game, why be humble

[ginobli2311]

it was all about the kids man

it actually was/is. lebron is very giving with his time and money for charity. hate all you want. but he's very generous off the court for a number of different charities.

don't bring that up....because you will get owned.

like you just did.

owned.

Gino

[Hulk Hogan]

Lebron: "I'm not apologizing... [because] of my greatness."

Dude WTF?!? :roll:

[IGOTGAME]

I guess this is all LAKER fans have for tonight. What a sad existence.

Honestly, you are probably the saddest poster on this board. This is the truth.

[50inchvertical]

Lebron: "I'm not apologizing [because] of my greatness."

Dude WTF?!? :roll:
thats not what he said, not even close. The 2 phrases weren't even in the same sentence, or the same paragraph as they were answers to 2 separate questions in his Question-Response dialogue with Sager.

[HEAT111]

This is the reason

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldTtmeYzOgo


Lebron hasn't developed an educated tone in talking. One thing you got to acknowledge from Lebron, he admits his flaws. He sticks with his mistakes, he could have apologized, although when the time comes with his next visit to Cleveland. He won't get any respect no matter what he says. Don't let the Media manipulate, and Graid Sager had to nerver to ask if he was going to apologize to the fans

[crisoner]

it actually was/is. lebron is very giving with his time and money for charity. hate all you want. but he's very generous off the court for a number of different charities.

don't bring that up....because you will get owned.

like you just did.

owned.

Gino

Naw he did do a good job...but come on. That was just to candy coat the situation. Bottom line LeBron was selling this move and it back fired on him.
It's that simple.

[sh0wtime]

Lebron: "I'm not apologizing... [because] of my greatness."

Dude WTF?!? :roll:

Where the hell did you heard that? Thats not what he said at all, but i understand haters hear only what they wanna hear. :applause:

[crisoner]

This is the reason

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldTtmeYzOgo


Lebron hasn't developed an educated tone in talking. One thing you got to acknowledge from Lebron, he admits his flaws. He sticks with his mistakes, he could have apologized, although when the time comes with his next visit to Cleveland. He won't get any respect no matter what he says. Don't let the Media manipulate, and Graid Sager had to nerver to ask if he was going to apologize to the fans

So...he should still be the bigger man. That showed have nothing to do with his decision to apologize. If he does I would respect him for it...plenty of people would.

[RonySeikalyFTL]

it actually was/is. lebron is very giving with his time and money for charity. hate all you want. but he's very generous off the court for a number of different charities.

don't bring that up....because you will get owned.

like you just did.

owned.

Gino

Whatevs. Lebron should be more like Kobe and donate to poor skanky hotel employees.

Go Lakers!

[crisoner]

Any how...I think LeBron could of helped himself big time after this game. He showed up and played big regardless of all the taunts etc. I think it would of been a smart and classy move to show nothing but love for Cleveland. He was doing that but then backtracked stood his ground on any apology...then came in that continue my greatness comment.

I was all good with LeBron till that...reminded me why I dislike him so much now.

/Thread

[CanadaBBallFan]

Any how...I think LeBron could of helped himself big time after this game. He showed up and played big regardless of all the taunts etc. I think it would of been a smart and classy move to show nothing but love for Cleveland. He was doing that but then backtracked stood his ground on any apology...then came in that continue my greatness comment.

I was all good with LeBron till that...reminded me why I dislike him so much now.

/Thread

He murdered them. That's all he needed to do. This is basketball not a Miss America Pageant.

[50inchvertical]

Any how...I think LeBron could of helped himself big time after this game. He showed up and played big regardless of all the taunts etc. I think it would of been a smart and classy move to show nothing but love for Cleveland. He was doing that but then backtracked stood his ground on any apology...then came in that continue my greatness comment.

I was all good with LeBron till that...reminded me why I dislike him so much now.

/Thread
If he had apologized, all you same people would have been bitching and questioning sincerity since he was prodded into doing so by Sager, just like people did this summer when he finally apologized. He knows it's no need even trying to appease people who go out of their way to nitpick everything to complain about.

[crisoner]

But he didnt say that you f**** idiot!!!!!!


Yes he did. Stop trolling and spamming.

[donald_trump]

why do you care so much?

rid yourself, seriously. youre pathetic going into every heat thread and hoping they lose. what did lebron do to you? nothing.

youre probably a lil b!tch in real life.

[HisJoeness]

LMAOO, crisoner's posting is filled with delusion and bitterness.

[YAWN]

Im glad he didn't apologize when sager tried to put him on the spot.

[Glide2keva]

why do you care so much?

rid yourself, seriously. youre pathetic going into every heat thread and hoping they lose. what did lebron do to you? nothing.

youre probably a lil b!tch in real life.
E-thug alert!

[kkling]

That's not what he said op.

[Borat]

Crisoner quickly becoming the biggest b!tch on ISH, which is REALLY saying something.

[sh0wtime]

Crisoner, did you miss these posts? This is actually what he said and referred to.


Yeah he definitely did not say continue MY GREATNESS. He was clearly referring to the the team. Don't know what the **** you guys heard.


He actually said, "more greatness for myself," which I think was refferring to the Heat continuing to improve as he alluded to in the previous sentence. Of course, when every thing you say and do is scrutinized so heavily, you can always be made to look bad.

[KingMichael23]

Did LeBron say that?

[sixer6ad]

it actually was/is. lebron is very giving with his time and money for charity. hate all you want. but he's very generous off the court for a number of different charities.

don't bring that up....because you will get owned.

like you just did.

owned.

Gino

Our team got its arss kicked tonight and quit, but you have no idea what the hell you are talking about. You just are guessing Maverick. He gives Turkey Dinners and then issues a press release that he did it; most people just do it. He was over 2 hours late to a black-tie affair in his honor last year that people paid $1,000 a plate for, and he (and his "team") showed up in jeans. He was the worst tipper in Akron and treated people like crap.

He kicked our arss tonight and was our best player in franchise history - fact. Your thought that he is a do gooder and cares about people is a bunch of shit. I know differently; I was there.

[Lebron23]

Did LeBron say that?

Misunderstood quotes.

[Ne 1]

I guess this is all LAKER fans have for tonight. What a sad existence.

http://oi55.tinypic.com/35nackh.jpg

[The Miz]

AWWWWWESOMEEEEE!

[crisoner]

Wow the E-thugs aka LeBron apologist trying to shut me up. :oldlol:

I see a couple people are saying LeBron did not say the "Continue my Greatness" comments. OK fair enough I only heard it live and then made this thread...Reggie Miller repeated it. But let's listen to it once again to see what he said exactly. It could of been "Continue THE Greatness". If that's the case it's the same thing. If some of you people don't have a problem with comments like that good for you. All I am saying is LeBron messed up his imagine and had a golden opp tonight to start to repair it. IMO he failed.

If the E-thugs want to label me "a b*tch" because of that :oldlol: sticks and stones. And if you disagree tell me why. How does making this statement help LeBron? I would like to know.

[50inchvertical]

he didn't say either. He was referring to the team in that answer and getting better being propelled from this win and said, "more greatness for myself," and then went on to further mention the team.

He doesn't owe them an apology and I like that he's not going to let himself be bullied into apologizing. In his post game interview like he said, 7yrs, great memories here, never intended anything to be personal with the fans and both sides could have done things differently, but he never outright apologized and I don't think he needs to especially in light of being called all sorts of names and having people making personal shots at you and he's supposed to feel sorry for them and apologize to appease them? I would've gotten on the mic and told them they can all eat a dick and I don't currently and never will need them as much as they do me.

But did anybody else notice WALLY SCZERBIAK in front of LeBron meanmugging him during the powder thing pregame

[rizzy]

he def said "continue my greatness", I have it dvr'd and replayed it 5 times for the lulz

[Hulk Hogan]

he def said "continue my greatness", I have it dvr'd and replayed it 5 times for the lulz

this.

[HisJoeness]

http://i55.tinypic.com/33wuob5.jpg


and also


http://i55.tinypic.com/ienfc2.jpg

[Fatal9]

exact quotes:


"I got the utmost respect for this franchise, the utmost respect for these fans...and...you know...just continue the greatness for myself here in Miami and continue to get better everyday"

Craig: Do you regret how it ended, do you want to apologize on how it ended?

"I don't want to apologize. I think....you know...my intentions were never to hurt anyone, my intentions were solely on the kids during the whole process."

[kkling]

he def said "continue my greatness", I have it dvr'd and replayed it 5 times for the lulz

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ThdvEq--YY

1:14

"continue the greatness for myself in Miami."

[Hulk Hogan]

exact quotes:


"I got the utmost respect for this franchise, the utmost respect for these fans...and...you know...just continue the greatness for myself here in Miami and continue to get better everyday"

Craig: Do you regret how it ended, do you want to apologize on how it ended?

"I don't want to apologize. I think....you know...my intentions were never to hurt anyone, my intentions were solely on the kids during the whole process."

LOL @ all the Lebron Apologetics trying to cover up for Lebron... :oldlol:

[Meticode]

http://oi55.tinypic.com/35nackh.jpg
:roll:

[Vince McMahon]

LOL @ all the Lebron Apologetics trying to take cover for Lebron... :oldlol:
:oldlol:

[kkling]

LOL @ all the Lebron Apologetics trying to cover up for Lebron... :oldlol:

Taken out of context, Hulk.

[Hulk Hogan]

Taken out of context, Hulk.

What'cha gonna do, What'cha gonna do brother? :pimp:

[gts]

LOL @ all the Lebron Apologetics trying to cover up for Lebron... :oldlol:they just throw crap against the wall and hope it sticks...

[RedBlackAttack]

exact quotes:


"I got the utmost respect for this franchise, the utmost respect for these fans...and...you know...just continue the greatness for myself here in Miami and continue to get better everyday"

Craig: Do you regret how it ended, do you want to apologize on how it ended?

"I don't want to apologize. I think....you know...my intentions were never to hurt anyone, my intentions were solely on the kids during the whole process."
It is really tough to decipher just what the hell this guy is talking about, even when it is transcribed and in black-and-white. SVSM must be proud.

[ShannonElements]

Honestly it's a bit hard to understand exactly what he meant. He isn't exactly the most articulate speaker out there. I mean, he didn't say "his greatness", he said greatness for himself. The **** does that mean?:lol

It does seem a bit like people are just looking for a reason to hate though, and since he played great, you gotta look elsewhere for ammunition.

[Replay32]

IMO, I think he just meant he wanted to continue the success (individually and as a team) in Miami.

And also continue to get better, so he can have more success/greatness in Miami than he had in Cleveland.

That's all.

[Hulk Hogan]

Honestly it's a bit hard to understand exactly what he meant. He isn't exactly the most articulate speaker out there. I mean, he didn't say "his greatness", he said greatness for himself. The **** does that mean?:lol

It does seem a bit like people are just looking for a reason to hate though, and since he played great, you gotta look elsewhere for ammunition.

There are countless ways of attaining greatness, but any road to reaching one's maximum potential must be built on a bedrock of respect. Lebron's was not, therefore he lost all he had. The price of greatness is responsibility.

[MrJohnWall]

Did a post game interview with Craig Sager and I mentioned "Greatness" and I didn't mean my self individually, I meant to say US as a TEAM working towards "Greatness". Anyways Great Team Win for US tonight!

Lebron already back tracking :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[LA KB24]

Don't feel like going through 5 pages, anyone have the vid?

:cheers:

[crisoner]

Don't feel like going through 5 pages, anyone have the vid?

:cheers:

There is one on the page before this...

He did say "continue Greatness for myself and my team"...
When I first heard it it really just did not come off right. But he back tracked already so that goes to show he just fumbled the words I guess.

But to all of you people saying he didn't say that...well there ya go.

[ReturnofJPR]

Hey you ain't great unless u got a ring. Sorry Dirk fans. This means you can't be a buster and win a ring, it means true greatness is measured by stats, awards, and rings. Bron you ain't got that shine, get off that "greatness" tip you buster.

[crisoner]

exact quotes:


"I got the utmost respect for this franchise, the utmost respect for these fans...and...you know...just continue the greatness for myself here in Miami and continue to get better everyday"

Craig: Do you regret how it ended, do you want to apologize on how it ended?

"I don't want to apologize. I think....you know...my intentions were never to hurt anyone, my intentions were solely on the kids during the whole process."

Ha thanks........

/Thread...

LeBron apologist I do not expect you guys to apologize like your leader. All good any how.

[crisoner]

I wonder if we are going to see "The Greatness" shirts in LeBron's future.

[thejumpa]

I wonder if we are going to see "The Greatness" shirts in LeBron's future.

:D

[Kurosawa0]

Some of you just take stuff too seriously.

[ReturnofJPR]

Some of you just take stuff too seriously.

says the guy rockin the Evil Empire avy uh huh i got you figured out...

[crisoner]

Some of you just take stuff too seriously.


It's a basketball forum last time I checked.
What should we take seriously in here? The possibility of a war with North Korea?

I don't think I would post here so much if I didn't take basketball so seriously.
It's a game yes but it's my favorite sport...very passionate about it.

[ShannonElements]

Ha thanks........

/Thread...

LeBron apologist I do not expect you guys to apologize like your leader. All good any how.

:oldlol: As if your quote of what he said was correct...

[Da KO King]

A bit odd to say but not a big deal to me. The guy has had a Hall of Fame career already so he is in fact continuing greatness.

[crisoner]

:oldlol: As if your quote of what he said was correct...

Did you read all my post?

And "Continue my Greatness" vs. "Continue greatness for myself"

Sorry but that pretty much the same thing...

And at the time he was saying this I was looking for reasons to like the guy again...not hate him. He just F'd it up IMO.

[kobesabi]

Yeap, he blows it again...affirmation of an arrogant queen

[Kurosawa0]

says the guy rockin the Evil Empire avy uh huh i got you figured out...

It's actually just a show I like. Nothing deeper than that.


It's a basketball forum last time I checked.
What should we take seriously in here? The possibility of a war with North Korea?

I don't think I would post here so much if I didn't take basketball so seriously.
It's a game yes but it's my favorite sport...very passionate about it.

Don't lay it off on the sport. Getting all bent out of shape about what LeBron said has nothing to do with basketball as a sport.

[50inchvertical]

Did a post game interview with Craig Sager and I mentioned "Greatness" and I didn't mean my self individually, I meant to say US as a TEAM working towards "Greatness". Anyways Great Team Win for US tonight!
KingJames via UberTwitter

[Samurai Swoosh]

I guess this is all LAKER fans have for tonight. What a sad existence.
They are coming off back to back championships. Are you serious?

:oldlol:

[Samurai Swoosh]

it was all about the kids man
I don't even know what that meant in relation to the question. He can't articulate himself at all.

[Kurosawa0]

They are coming off back to back championships. Are you serious?

:oldlol:

I do think it's odd that, for a team that wins as much as the Lakers do, their fans constantly feel the need to be reassured that the team gets it's due.

[Samurai Swoosh]

I do think it's odd that, for a team that wins as much as the Lakers do, their fans constantly feel the need to be reassured that the team gets it's due.
I don't think it's that so much as they are just letting you know they gon continue dey greatness out in Hollywood

:oldlol:

[Kurosawa0]

I don't think it's that so much as they are just letting you know they gon continue dey greatness out in Hollywood

:oldlol:

Nah, it's more needy than that.

[Samurai Swoosh]

Nah, it's more needy than that.
I lost count of how many championships they have, and they feature the game's best player. I don't think they are needy at all. Just serve reminders to the "We Da Bess" crowd, who are led by self proclaimed "Kings" who haven't won ANYTHING.

:oldlol:

[Kurosawa0]

they feature the game's best player.

Proved. My. Point.

[ShaqAttack3234]

Yeah, Lebron says stupid shit, and this was funny, too, but I separate Lebron the person, from Lebron the basketball player. I mean, the guy is great on the court, the best player in the league the last couple of years(couldn't think of one argument against him for either MVP) and a historically great player.

Very few have ever been at the level Lebron was the last 2 years.

[Samurai Swoosh]

Proved. My. Point.
And I proved mine ... well Bryant proves it for me.

[Kurosawa0]

And at the time he was saying this I was looking for reasons to like the guy again...not hate him. He just F'd it up IMO.

I'm sorry, but if you have a problem with what he said, you're trying to find problems. It's clear he was saying that he wanted to continue the "greatness" he had in Cleveland in Miami. He just got through talking about the good times he had with the Cavs and was saying he wants to continue that with the Heat. This is such a non-story.

[Kurosawa0]

well Bryant proves it for me.

Clearly not. :oldlol:

[Samurai Swoosh]

(couldn't think of one argument against him for either MVP)
Funny, cause I can ... 2009 Dwyane Wade.

MVP, best team record in the East and/or the League and you get booted int he 2nd round in 6 games?

Yeaaa ... :oldlol:

I def think it you can make some arguments for other people. My man always busts his nut in the regular season.

:confusedshrug:

[Samurai Swoosh]

Clearly not. :oldlol:
2 Finals MVPs, 2 Championships in a row ... yea, point proven.

[Samurai Swoosh]

2 Finals MVPs, 2 Championships in a row ... yea, point proven.
If you wanted an award for inflated stats due to ball domination, where numbers are put up in meaningless stretches ... then yea, LeBron is easily the best player in the league. It has yet to translate to winning basketball for him, however.

:(

[Lakers12]

:oldlol: As if your quote of what he said was correct...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ThdvEq--YY

[Kurosawa0]

2 Finals MVPs, 2 Championships in a row ... yea, point proven.

He has the best team. No one questions that. Has he been the best player over the last few years? Absolutely not.

[Lebron23]

Yeah, Lebron says stupid shit, and this was funny, too, but I separate Lebron the person, from Lebron the basketball player. I mean, the guy is great on the court, the best player in the league the last couple of years(couldn't think of one argument against him for either MVP) and a historically great player.

Very few have ever been at the level Lebron was the last 2 years.


I wish LeBron would develop his post game. Heat needs to hire Hakeem Olajuwon or Bill Walton next summer.

[Kurosawa0]

I wish LeBron would develop his post game. Heat needs to hire Hakeem Olajuwon or Bill Walton next summer.

It would make Miami so much better too. With his strength and speed, he'd force double teams every time.

[Kurosawa0]

Funny, cause I can ... 2009 Dwyane Wade.

Then LeBron gets it 2008.

[Samurai Swoosh]

Then LeBron gets it 2008.
Not even close, LeBron groupie

Kobe Bryant / Chris Paul were the only legit options in 2008. Maybe a case could be made for KG. But his case isn't as strong as Bryant and Paul's.

Kobe should've been MVP in 2006, and 2007.

[Samurai Swoosh]

He has the best team. No one questions that. Has he been the best player over the last few years? Absolutely not.
Not in the regular season, but easily the best player when it matters IN THE PLAYOFFS.

Yes, he has the best team. Why? Because he can mesh his talents with other superstars.

We're still seeing if LeBron can do that, and so far he hasn't been. And as of right now, on paper the Heat have more TALENT than the Lakers. You have 2 of the games top 3 players ...

:oldlol:

[macpierce]

^ this man does have a point here

[Kurosawa0]

Kobe Bryant / Chris Paul were the only legit options in 2008.

Kobe should've been MVP in 2006, and 2007.

How do give it to Kobe in 2008 if LeBron put up better stats? That's the argument you're making for Wade.

You can't say Wade is the 2009 MVP without giving it to LeBron in 2008 too.

LeBron put up 30, 7 and 9 in 2008. Wade put up 30, 5 and 7 in 2009. The Heat won 47 games in 2009, while the Cavs won 45 in 2008.

LeBron carried his team just in the same way that Wade did his, but put up better stats.

[Kurosawa0]

Not in the regular season, but easily the best player when it matters IN THE PLAYOFFS.

Yes, he has the best team. Why? Because he can mesh his talents with other superstars.

We're still seeing if LeBron can do that, and so far he hasn't been. And as of right now, on paper the Heat have more TALENT than the Lakers. You have 2 of the games top 3 players ...

:oldlol:

Can you really even say he's the best player in the playoffs? He wasn't this year. Rondo was easily the best player through the first three rounds and then, well, I don't think you want to bring Kobe's performance in the Finals into this.

He hasn't dominated like you're trying to portray. The Lakers have been the best team, and Kobe has been ONE OF the best players. He hasn't been undeniably the best at any one point. LeBron, Wade, Durant, Howard etc. You can argue Kobe over them in some cases, but not all. Kobe's not the clear-cut #1 by any means. Each of those four guys can claim to have played better than Kobe at some point over the last few years.

[Samurai Swoosh]

How do give it to Kobe in 2008 if LeBron put up better stats? That's the argument you're making for Wade.
Ahhh kiddies. Fans of LeBron show their age and obsession with numbers.

It's about context. Look how Wade played, and look who he played with. Wade's cast is light years worse than what LeBron had in Cleveland.

:oldlol:


You can't say Wade is the 2009 MVP without giving it to LeBron in 2008 too.
No, cause CP3 did more with less and put damn impressive number himself. And Kobe carried the Lakers well before they even acquired Gasol, then meshed well enough with Gasol to become the 2nd best team in the league.

That simple.

2008 MVP is a toss up between CP3 and Bryant. They went with the team with the better record.

2006 and 2007 Kobe was easily, and clearly the league best player.

[Samurai Swoosh]

Can you really even say he's the best player in the playoffs? He wasn't this year. Rondo was easily the best player through the first three rounds and then, well, I don't think you want to bring Kobe's performance in the Finals into this.
You really think Rondo > Kobe in the Playoffs?

If that is the case there is no point even discussing this with you.

:oldlol:

[Kurosawa0]

Ahhh kiddies. Fans of LeBron show their age and obsession with numbers.

It's about context. Look how Wade played, and look who he played with. Wade's cast is light years worse than what LeBron had in Cleveland.

:oldlol:


No, cause CP3 did more with less and put damn impressive number himself. And Kobe carried the Lakers well before they even acquired Gasol, then meshed well enough with Gasol to become the 2nd best team in the league.

That simple.

2008 MVP is a toss up between CP3 and Bryant. They went with the team with the better record.

Exactly how old are you?

LeBron's supporting cast was atrocious in 2008. That's why the made the deal that brought in all the new players at the deadline. The fact that LeBron got 45 wins out of that team was damn impressive. Just as much as what Wade did with the Heat in 2009.

It's simple, you can't make the argument for Wade in 2009 and not for LeBron in 2008. It's almost the exact same performance.

Anyway, LeBron was better than Wade in 2009. LeBron got a team with Mo Williams and Delonte West as his #2 and #3 to 66 wins. Are they really that much better than Jermaine O'Neal or Michael Beasley?

[ShaqAttack3234]

Funny, cause I can ... 2009 Dwyane Wade.

MVP, best team record in the East and/or the League and you get booted int he 2nd round in 6 games?

Yeaaa ... :oldlol:

I def think it you can make some arguments for other people. My man always busts his nut in the regular season.

:confusedshrug:

Wade led Miami to 43 wins, put 2009 Lebron on just about any team and they're winning more than that. I can't see Wade leading that Cleveland team to a 66 win regular season where so many games were blowouts before the 4th. Not that he had a bad team, but the cast you expect a star to lead to 66 wins? No, I can't think of another player in the league who would have made that Cleveland team that good.

And Lebron was MUCH better than Wade in the 2009 playoffs.

Lebron vs the Hawks in the 2009 playoffs- 33.8 ppg, 8.5 rpg, 6 apg, 2.5 spg, 1.8 TO, 55.6 FG%, 48.1 3P%, 38 mpg
Wade vs the Hawks in the 2009 playoffs- 29.1 ppg, 5 rpg, 5.3 rpg, 1.6 bpg, 3.6 TO, 43.9 FG%, 36 3P%, 40.7 mpg

And had the series even been close, Lebron's numbers would've probably been even more ridiculous.

Lebron's numbers for 14 playoff games- 35.3 ppg, 9.1 rpg, 7.3 apg, 1.6 spg, 2.7 TO, 51 FG%, 33.3 3P%, 41.4 mpg

And I don't care if Cleveland had home court advantage, that Orlando series was not lost because of Lebron and there was not another player who could have won that series due to these factors.

1.Dwight killing Cleveland's frontline. Dwight was great that year, but I don't think anyone expected him to average 26/13/3 on 65% shooting, have 10 points in overtime in game 4 or close out the series with 40/14/4.

2.Rashard Lewis hitting 2 series changing shots, the game-winning 3 in game 1 and the 3 that tied game 4 and sent it to OT. Rashard was a problem for Cleveland all series because he's a small forward and primarily a 3 point shooter technically playing the 4, and when he put the ball on the floor, Cleveland's power forwards were eays for him to get by.

3.Where was his help offensively? His second option Mo Williams shot 37%.

Lebron didn't have a great game 6 and he had some key turnovers in game 4, but the guy was also carrying the Cavs that series, putting up near 40 point triple doubles like it was nothing and he hit a game-winner in game 2.

I can't excuse him in the 2010 series vs Boston, I still believe he quit in those last 3 games, but I don't think he has any inability to show up in the playoffs, I just don't think he cared much in those last 3 games.


LeBron's supporting cast was atrocious in 2008. That's why the made the deal that brought in all the new players at the deadline. The fact that LeBron got 45 wins out of that team was damn impressive. Just as much as what Wade did with the Heat in 2009.

Even more impressive to me from a team perspective because they were 0-7 without him that year. '09 Wade was better defensively, a better shooter(particularly mid-range) and a bit better as a scorer than 2008 Lebron, so I think '09 Wade was a better player than '09 Lebron, but '08 Lebron got more out of his team.

[Kurosawa0]

You really think Rondo > Kobe in the Playoffs?

If that is the case there is no point even discussing this with you.

:oldlol:

Rondo was the best player in the playoffs through the first three rounds. No player was more of a difference maker to his team than Rondo was to Boston.

Seriously, do you even have an argument beyond :oldlol: ? You're not really offering any kind of debate man...

[Kurosawa0]

You could argue Wade had a better 08-09 season, and had more impact on his team.

Well, the Cavs won 66 games that year. The year before Miami won 15 games, so maybe you'll say Wade was worth 30 games to that team. If the Cavs only win 35 games this season, it's pretty equal. I'd actually say this Cavs' team is probably better than the 2009 supporting cast, considering Hickson and Jamison.

[LA KB24]

If you wanted an award for inflated stats due to ball domination, where numbers are put up in meaningless stretches ... then yea, LeBron is easily the best player in the league. It has yet to translate to winning basketball for him, however.

:(

Haha I don't think there was every a time where I DIDN'T agree with you.

The Cavs system was made for LeBron to get his $TATS.

[Kurosawa0]

Even more impressive to me from a team perspective because they were 0-7 without him that year. '09 Wade was better defensively, a better shooter(particularly mid-range) and a bit better as a scorer than 2008 Lebron, so I think '09 Wade was a better player than '09 Lebron, but '08 Lebron got more out of his team.

Sure, but I just don't think you can make the argument for Wade in 2009 and not LeBron in 2008.

[MrJohnWall]

lol @ Lebrons 08 supoorting cast being trash.

Should i pull up Lebron numbers against celtics in 08?

They were beyond terrible. Very low shooting percentages , high turnovers

and they still took Celtics to 7 games cuz Cavs carried Lebron

Leave it up to Lebron fan boys to try and rewrite history

[RonySeikalyFTL]

lol @ Lebrons 08 supoorting cast being trash.

Should i pull up Lebron numbers against celtics in 08?

They were beyond terrible. Very low shooting percentages , high turnovers

and they still took Celtics to 7 games cuz Cavs carried Lebron

Leave it up to Lebron fan boys to try and rewrite history

Good point. Lebron did play pretty Kobe-esque during that series. But at least he showed up big time in the final game: 14/29 from the field for 45 points.

How did Kobe play in the final game against Boston that same year? 7/22, 22 points. Ouch.

It isn't even funny how much better Lebron is than Kobe. Even Lebron's screwups aren't as bad. For instance,

"Continue my greatness" >>>>>>>>>>> raping hotel employees.

[niko]

Eh, it's an arrogant statement made after a wine in which he was called 2,000 names. Arrogant is ok. It's not funny / stupid like "my sidekick" or explaining how joining Wade and Bosh was to make things harder for himself. Tis is nothing....

[100grandman]

I'm sorry, but if you have a problem with what he said, you're trying to find problems. It's clear he was saying that he wanted to continue the "greatness" he had in Cleveland in Miami. He just got through talking about the good times he had with the Cavs and was saying he wants to continue that with the Heat. This is such a non-story.


Agreed.

[MrJohnWall]

Good point. Lebron did play pretty Kobe-esque during that series. But at least he showed up big time in the final game: 14/29 from the field for 45 points.

How did Kobe play in the final game against Boston that same year? 7/22, 22 points. Ouch.

It isn't even funny how much better Lebron is than Kobe. Even Lebron's screwups aren't as bad. For instance,

"Continue my greatness" >>>>>>>>>>> raping hotel employees.
ahhh Try again KObe significantly outplayed Lebron against Celtics in 08

having rough sex with white women>>>>>>>.having bastard children

[crisoner]

I'm sorry, but if you have a problem with what he said, you're trying to find problems. It's clear he was saying that he wanted to continue the "greatness" he had in Cleveland in Miami. He just got through talking about the good times he had with the Cavs and was saying he wants to continue that with the Heat. This is such a non-story.


No it was not clear....in fact it was so unclear that LeBron tweeted himself to clear up what he said.

Did a post game interview with Craig Sager and I mentioned "Greatness" and I didn't mean my self individually, I meant to say US as a TEAM working towards "Greatness". Anyways Great Team Win for US tonight!
KingJames via UberTwitter

I don't understand all the negative flack I got for pointing this out.
The LeBron protectors where out in force last night. Or anyone who wanted to make this a Kobe vs. Bron issue. I have no idea why the convo always needs to head in that direction.

[kkling]

No it was not clear....in fact it was so unclear that LeBron tweeted himself to clear up what he said.

Did a post game interview with Craig Sager and I mentioned "Greatness" and I didn't mean my self individually, I meant to say US as a TEAM working towards "Greatness". Anyways Great Team Win for US tonight!
KingJames via UberTwitter

I don't understand all the negative flack I got for pointing this out.
The LeBron protectors where out in force last night. Or anyone who wanted to make this a Kobe vs. Bron issue. I have no idea why the convo always needs to head in that direction.

Because it was obvious to most people that is what he meant.

< Cleveland fan.

[crisoner]

Because it was obvious to most people that is what he meant.

< Cleveland fan.


Funny most people = Bron supporters.

[kkling]

Funny most people = Bron supporters.

Only someone with a weak argument would claim that BS.

[blondie]

So did he really say "ill just continue my greatness" or did he saay something else like the heat ******gers on the first page said?

[gts]

Because it was obvious to most people that is what he meant.

< Cleveland fan.and yet he felt the need to tweet what he actually meant?
that tweet to clear up misconceptions was because somebody got a hold of him and said psssst lebron errr you're sounding like a bit of an ass here and some of the media outlets are running with it...

i understand what he meant and didn't think too much about it but evidently his people and lebron didn't feel it was "obvious" what he was trying to say.

[blondie]

No it was not clear....in fact it was so unclear that LeBron tweeted himself to clear up what he said.

Did a post game interview with Craig Sager and I mentioned "Greatness" and I didn't mean my self individually, I meant to say US as a TEAM working towards "Greatness". Anyways Great Team Win for US tonight!
KingJames via UberTwitter

I don't understand all the negative flack I got for pointing this out.
The LeBron protectors where out in force last night. Or anyone who wanted to make this a Kobe vs. Bron issue. I have no idea why the convo always needs to head in that direction.
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: yeh right we all know what this clown meant

[2swift4u]

I think he said some good things in that interview. Of course it would have been nice if he had apologized to the fans. but probably due to his pride and all the ongoing hating he didn't. At least he pointed out that he didn't want to hurt anybodys feelings. Even if he's narcissistic he damn sure has realized that it's not fun to be hated by so many.. at least he didn't sound all that self-assured anymore in that interview. maybe he has learned his lesson, maybe not... Anyway it was fun watching him play some great basketball last night and that's what matters most to me.

[IGOTGAME]

Lebron is better suited to play the role of villain. His game is too ugly for people to just love on its own. But if they watch hoping he fails then it may become more intriguing. At that time it turns into another team trying to overcome his immense talent.

[kkling]

and yet he felt the need to tweet what he actually meant?
that tweet to clear up misconceptions was because somebody got a hold of him and said psssst lebron errr you're sounding like a bit of an ass here and some of the media outlets are running with it...

i understand what he meant and didn't think too much about it but evidently his people and lebron didn't feel it was "obvious" what he was trying to say.

Tin foil hats aside, Lebron isn't the most articulate person. :oldlol:

[B]

Because it was obvious to most people that is what he meant.

< Cleveland fan.Why did he have to make an effort to clarify what he said if it was that obvious?

[50inchvertical]

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[DCL]

in the context of the interview, he didn't come off as an assho!e. actually, it sounded like "continue my greatness" just meant "continue to play at a high level." i think that's the intentional meaning of his quote, but he's not a well-versed person. lebron is just a sh!tty speaker. but of course people like to bash him for everything that just doesn't sound too eloquent.

[gts]

Tin foil hats aside, Lebron isn't the most articulate person. :oldlol:lol no he is not, that's become painfully clear... he's also not very media savvy. you stir in his self importance and it's a bad mix.. lebron is why there are PR people but his problem is his PR people are every bit as clueless as he is about the finer points

[DuMa]

As usual one little comment gets overblown

[PistonsFan#21]

OMG did Lebron really say ''my greatness'' as if he was a great player???

Thats unacepptable! :rolleyes:

You guys just look at anything to hate on the guy even when he speaks the truth

[Nash]

This shit is embarrasing. Just look at the guy who started this thread using word like "WOW", "I'm speechless" about..well, nothing. Your hate is messing up this game.

[zizozain]

anyone heard from the three little girls ( indian guy - ginobli - duma )?

[Sroek]

He's subtly implying that he made Cleveland great and merely used the franchise as a vehicle to propel to himself to this point in his career where he's prime for championships as part of a team composed of players worthy of Lebron's presence.

[Kurosawa0]

He's subtly implying that he made Cleveland great and merely used the franchise as a vehicle to propel to himself to this point in his career where he's prime for championships as part of a team composed of players worthy of Lebron's presence.

No, that's not what he was saying. At all...

[crisoner]

I love how people are using multiple accounts to attack me on this thread.

:cheers:

[Sroek]

No, that's not what he was saying. At all...

Disagreed.

[crisoner]

He's subtly implying that he made Cleveland great and merely used the franchise as a vehicle to propel to himself to this point in his career where he's prime for championships as part of a team composed of players worthy of Lebron's presence.


To tell you the truth he did.
The Cavs became relevant because of him.
Now that he is gone......nothing.
And he threw it all in their faces.
Stay Classy LeBron!

[madmax]

Honestly at this point all this silly Lebron hate comes off as some silly and desperate attempt of haters, who are clinging to any single word he says in his interview and blowing it out in huge proportions...all these insecure Kome and Fakers fans are roaming Lebron and Heat threads, pushing their agenda relentlessly like some bitter ex-girlfriends of James.:lol Lebron >>> Kome - deal with this fact of life you pathetic worms

[crisoner]

Honestly at this point all this silly Lebron hate comes off as some silly and desperate attempt of haters, who are clinging to any single word he says in his interview and blowing it out in huge proportions...all these insecure Kome and Fakers fans are roaming Lebron and Heat threads, pushing their agenda relentlessly like some bitter ex-girlfriends of James.:lol Lebron >>> Kome - deal with this fact of life you pathetic worms

I take you must not like the two time defending champions and the two time Finals MVP.

Any how stop trying to make this a Kobe vs. LeBron thread.

[sh0wtime]

"Did a post game interview with Craig Sager and I mentioned "Greatness" and I didn't mean my self individually, I meant to say US as a TEAM working towards "Greatness". Anyways Great Team Win for US tonight!"
KingJames via Twitter

http://twitter.com/kingjames

Kindof sad that he has to mention that, we know what he was referring to actually, but the haters hear what they want to hear and take it into the bad context they want it to be.

[U'veBeenKazaaM]

"Did a post game interview with Craig Sager and I mentioned "Greatness" and I didn't mean my self individually, I meant to say US as a TEAM working towards "Greatness". Anyways Great Team Win for US tonight!"
KingJames via Twitter

http://twitter.com/kingjames
YOU'VE BEEN KAZAAAM'D!


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