JR Smith to Chicago?

[1rkrage]

A league source told ESPN.com that Denver also is in discussions with Chicago regarding a J.R. Smith trade
interesting gamble.

[opps]

Awwwwww Damn!!

[IGOTGAME]

funny a couple of years a go they wouldnt even entertain the idea of keeping JR Smith.

[Droid101]

Funny. Chicago got JR Smith from New Orleans and then sold him for nothing to the Nuggets. If they do this, they are ****ing stupid.

[Doranku]

So they get a less-clutch Ben Gordon?

Meh.

[Faberg]

Didn't they get him from the Hornets trade awhile back and shipped him again? :oldlol:
I'm not sure they should get him. He might disrupt chemistry. Big gamble.

[Kellogs4toniee]

interesting gamble.


I would rather not gamble on J.R Smith. But then again, Bogans is literally the Luke Walton version of the 2-spot. Such a hard decision.

Really depends on how much coachable Smith will be to Thibodeaus defensive mindset.

[97 bulls]

Who would they give up? It better not be a core player

[97 bulls]

Didn't they get him from the Hornets trade awhile back and shipped him again? :oldlol:
I'm not sure they should get him. He might disrupt chemistry. Big gamble.
They had him then traded him for howard eisley

[Millennium X]

6'6" SG who shoots 43% from 3.

[1987_Lakers]

http://sparrowsonline.net/basketball/2009/06/jr.jpg

[Irish]

Would rather see this guy get some burn on a lottery team, get some confidence and game back before free agency. Contract year he should have a lot to prove.

Trade him to the T-Wolves for Telfair or something like that. Minnesota seem to like taking on guys with problems who have potential.

[Harrison_Barnes]

Its a gamble.. but I think it would be good for the bulls depending on who they trade for him.

[LosBulls]

C: Joakim Noah/Omer Asik/Kurt Thomas
PF: Carlos Boozer/Taj Gibson/Brian Scalabrine
SF: Luol Deng/Kyle Korver
SG: Rudy Fernandez/JR Smith/Corey Brewer
PG: Derrick Rose/CJ Watson

Now to get a decent back-up PG.

[50inchvertical]

I like it. I like Rashad McCants (D League, Texas Legends) or Terrence Kinsey too. He already does everything better than both point guards they have. And with McCants, his issue has never been with his talent on the court. People just think he has an attitude problem because he doesn't smile much

[NuggetsFan]

Not sure if you could get away starting him. His shot selection and his basketball IQ can literally lose you games. On the other hand his talent can win you games. Never know what your going to get. Not sure what Chicago would give up?. Either way he can be an elite 6th man at times and a good scoring punch off the bench.

Kinda off topic but J.R seriously has the skill and athletic ability to be an All-Star caliber player. It's ridiculous that the only thing holding him back is his maturity and understanding of the game.

[LosBulls]

Not sure if you could get away starting him. His shot selection and his basketball IQ can literally lose you games. On the other hand his talent can win you games. Never know what your going to get. Not sure what Chicago would give up?. Either way he can be an elite 6th man at times and a good scoring punch off the bench.

Kinda off topic but J.R seriously has the skill and athletic ability to be an All-Star caliber player. It's ridiculous that the only thing holding him back is his maturity and understanding of the game.


We starting Rudy lol
He might have the 6th Man role.

[Goffer3]

http://sparrowsonline.net/basketball/2009/06/jr.jpg

Lol. that series was some fun :applause:

[Droid101]

Lol. that series was some fun :applause:
And ultimately proved that you cannot win in this league with players like JR Smith and Kenyon Martin getting meaningful minutes for your team.

[OG LeeTSkeeT]

how are you getting rudy?

[LosBulls]

And ultimately proved that you cannot win in this league with players like JR Smith and Kenyon Martin getting meaningful minutes for your team.

Or maybe that you can not win with Kobe and Pau Gasol in their primes healthy?

[Omar_Little]

Interesting in who they would send back

Korver and a filler? Maybe Kurt Thomas?

[Goffer3]

And ultimately proved that you cannot win in this league with players like JR Smith and Kenyon Martin getting meaningful minutes for your team.

both teams played at a high level. Lakers just had better players. Denver were very good that year. JR Smith /martin played their part.

[kabalcage]

C: Joakim Noah/Omer Asik/Kurt Thomas
PF: Carlos Boozer/Taj Gibson/Brian Scalabrine
SF: Luol Deng/Kyle Korver
SG: Rudy Fernandez/JR Smith/Corey Brewer
PG: Derrick Rose/CJ Watson

Now to get a decent back-up PG.


Corey Brewer is on the Bulls!?!?

YES!!!!!!!!!

[LosBulls]

Corey Brewer is on the Bulls!?!?

YES!!!!!!!!!

Ronnie, im sorry.

[Droid101]

both teams played at a high level. Lakers just had better players. Denver were very good that year. JR Smith /martin played their part.
Denver was set to win that series until game 5 or 6 when Kenyon got a stupid foul then followed it up by a technical in the fourth. Game over. It was close until then.

JR does the same shit... stupid techs and fouls just because he's frustrated.

They have no self control and will never win due to it.

[kabalcage]

Ronnie, im sorry.

That sucks.

I hope that one day Corey Brewer finds a home. I was hoping he'd reunite with either Gator on the Bulls or Hawks. He's not terrible, I feel like he can be an 8th man on a good team. Someday it'll have to happen; the Wolves have buried him on the bench.

[VishaltotheG]

This thread has gone this far and nobody has asked for a source?

[Profound]

http://sparrowsonline.net/basketball/2009/06/jr.jpg:roll: :roll: :roll: J.R. Smith you love him one minute and then the next you want to grab a bat and beat him with it, the guy has no discipline but he can definitely be an asset to the Bulls considering they have no firepower at the 2-guard position. Hopefully he can do like Nate Robinson(somewhat) and learn to stay under control and understanding that yes he's talented but he isn't the star player on his team.

[AMISTILLILL]

This thread has gone this far and nobody has asked for a source?

"What kind of a timetable are the Nuggets on for resolving the MeloDrama? A: A tighter one than most realize. A league source told ESPN.com that Denver also is in discussions with Chicago regarding a J.R. Smith trade, and the Nuggets have other long-term roster decisions to make, including whether they will seek to move Chauncey Billups in a trade. But nothing can happen until they know what the future holds in regards to Anthony, whose No. 1 desire is to be dealt to New York and to sign a three-year contract extension worth nearly $65 million that would pair him alongside Amare Stoudemire through the 2014-15 season. ESPN.com"
http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/columns/story?columnist=sheridan_chris&id=5919781

[dee-rose]

We starting Rudy lol
He might have the 6th Man role.


since when do we have rudy??

[AMISTILLILL]

So much Bulls fan fail in this thread. Wrong player names, claiming they have players they don't have. :facepalm

[Clocian-IGN]

oh hell no, keep jr off this team

[Glide2keva]

Funny. Chicago got JR Smith from New Orleans and then sold him for nothing to the Nuggets. If they do this, they are ****ing stupid.
This.

[Glide2keva]

C: Joakim Noah/Omer Asik/Kurt Thomas
PF: Carlos Boozer/Taj Gibson/Brian Scalabrine
SF: Luol Deng/Kyle Korver
SG: Rudy Fernandez/JR Smith/Corey Brewer
PG: Derrick Rose/CJ Watson

Now to get a decent back-up PG.

:facepalm

[dee-rose]

Yeah forreal I don't care how much of a facepalm Bogans is. JR Smith would be much worse. They should trade him to the Warriors and let him go loose in that non-system

[jaydacris]

rudy fernandez? :lol

[Glide2keva]

We starting Rudy lol
He might have the 6th Man role.
:facepalm

He did it twice!

[AMISTILLILL]

:facepalm

Don't forget they have Michael Jordan, Len Bias and Dennis Johnson coming off the bench.

[OG LeeTSkeeT]

and corey in his other thread he just started.....:facepalm

[dee-rose]

bangwagon alert or no?

[Glide2keva]

So much Bulls fan fail in this thread. Wrong player names, claiming they have players they don't have. :facepalm
One guy, not all of us.

[AMISTILLILL]

One guy, not all of us.

Duly noted.

[dee-rose]

Don't forget they have Michael Jordan, Len Bias and Dennis Johnson coming off the bench.


We traded Dennis Johnson in the off-season after acquiring Lebron James. He's gonna be playing a "magic johnson" role when Rose is on the bench:lol

[Glide2keva]

We traded Dennis Johnson in the off-season after acquiring Lebron James. He's gonna be playing a "magic johnson" role when Rose is on the bench:lol
Nice.

[Glide2keva]

Duly noted.

:cheers:

[GOBB]

Are people seriously frowning at the idea of bringing in Jr Smith when you have to live with Keith Bogans? Even with knowing what you get with Jr Smith, he is still a much better player than Keith Bogans. Its flat out silly to even question a potential move like this. Are you Bulls fans high? No honestly.

You can sit here and bash Jr Smith baggage all you want. Ad I'm not here to defend or deny he isnt the greatest player in the world. But you're not going to sit there and meh, hell no and :no: Jr Smith in favor of KEITH BOGANS.

I hope Chicago doesnt do a deal. Jr Smith would be a nice offensive addition to the Bulls lackluster SG spot when it comes to offense of ANY kind. Wake up.

[macpierce]

yeah i would have to take jr over bogans as well

[fknc]

If the trade is JR Smith for Bogans a 1st round pick and a future 2nd I say do it. Tomorrow is tue day players signed in the offseason so make it happen at 12:01. Smith would be great starting with Brewer and Korver coming off the bench.

[dallaslonghorn]

If JR Smith goes to Chicago :eek: :eek: :eek:

This is a big deal!

That would be an amazing team.

[GOBB]

If JR Smith goes to Chicago :eek: :eek: :eek:

This is a big deal!

That would be an amazing team.

No, relax.

[dallaslonghorn]

No, relax.

Well think about it.

Smith can stretch the court ... great 3-point shooter ... this would work very well with D-Rose.

He's a great athlete at 6'6 and Thibodeau will force him to play D (btw is there any more overrated coach in the NBA then George Karl? How about you install defensive schemes and stop letting your players act like it's an AAU game!) ... so you've got one of the biggest, skilled and most athletic back-courts in the NBA.

Then you've got Luol Deng, Boozer, and Noah in the front-court.

That's a team with no holes defensively, big up front, and three guys who can create shots in different ways (post-ups/drive-kick/shooting 3's).

[LA_Showtime]

Jesus. That would be scary. Smith is more mature this year, and he's extremely talented. Put him in the right situation with the right coach and he could potentially explode. That's one athletic back court.

[Profound]

Jesus. That would be scary. Smith is more mature this year, and he's extremely talented. Put him in the right situation with the right coach and he could potentially explode. That's one athletic back court.
The guy just needs to get the right coaching and be told to get out there and play, a lot of times he gets either over excited and does something dumb after doing something brilliant or gets easily put down when he does something wrong. Even with all his problems he's a lot better than Boogans and can bring MUCH MUCH needed production from the two-guard spot especially stretching the floor with his shooting and his ability to be yet another threat offensively.

[el gringos]

The guy just needs to get the right coaching and be told to get out there and play, a lot of times he gets either over excited and does something dumb after doing something brilliant or gets easily put down when he does something wrong. Even with all his problems he's a lot better than Boogans and can bring MUCH MUCH needed production from the two-guard spot especially stretching the floor with his shooting and his ability to be yet another threat offensively.
---i
Jr smith and Carmelo have been the 2 worst handled, coached, placed, and surrounded talents into the league- g karl has been terrible at the development of them both, to the point of sabatoge- it makes no sense to have never even tried to put jr in a stable position between billups and carmelo where he would be a lot more efficiant and dangerous- karl has gone out of his way creating value out of role players to avoid putting jr in the right spot
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No way nugs as a franchjse should let value expire on you because a coach doesn't want him- the trade can't happen because nugs gm can't be that stupid- the bulls don't have any pieces to get him they'd want to give up. 2 1sts + asik? Shouldn't be enough. Asik and a 1st for afflalo should work
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[icewill36]

if this happens, and JR keeps his head, the bulls are title contenders....

thats one of the most explosive, dynamic back courts in the league. he and rose are both threats from deep as well as slashing to the basket. you got two all-star level bigs, one who specializes on scoring and rebounding, the other on rebounding and defending, and all around guy like deng who doesnt need the ball a lot to be effective. with a defensive minded coach i dont see why they cant hang with any team in the league.

[1rkrage]

i think Thibs can turn this guy around. If we can trade peanuts for him, then it's worth a shot. Bogans just doesn't cut it :facepalm

[dee-rose]

If those goes through I'm happy with it. Bogans blows. Maybe bogans, Johnson and a first rounder?

[Burgz]

if it does happen, if Thibs can mold JR into a better defender we could be looking at a dangerous back court

[Lebron23]

JR Smith would be a terrific role player on a contending team. Smith >>>>>>> Bogans.

[Profound]

---i
Jr smith and Carmelo have been the 2 worst handled, coached, placed, and surrounded talents into the league- g karl has been terrible at the development of them both, to the point of sabatoge- it makes no sense to have never even tried to put jr in a stable position between billups and carmelo where he would be a lot more efficiant and dangerous- karl has gone out of his way creating value out of role players to avoid putting jr in the right spot
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No way nugs as a franchjse should let value expire on you because a coach doesn't want him- the trade can't happen because nugs gm can't be that stupid- the bulls don't have any pieces to get him they'd want to give up. 2 1sts + asik? Shouldn't be enough. Asik and a 1st for afflalo should work
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I agree, the way the Nuggets are coached or even play makes one feel like they have no discipline. As for the Bulls not having enough to get him I wouldn't be surprised if they(Nugs) trade him for a pile of shit, and if they don't Bulls fans would be plenty happy with Afflalo.

[poido123]

As a bulls fan, adding JR Smith makes me very nervous...However when i think about it more and more, he could work great with rose, and a time share with him and brewer for different matchups, would mean we know longer have any weaknesses in our team...A BIG if lies on JR being able to listen and understand his role, if he does that and accepts it, this could be huge for the bulls if they get him...

[Ruh-Roh]

No, thanks. You can keep him.

[dallaslonghorn]

No, thanks. You can keep him.

How can you not want to see this as a Bulls fan?

[Ruh-Roh]

How can you not want to see this as a Bulls fan?

His trigger happiness and proneness to inconsistency is not what our system needs right now. Yeah he'd be an obvious upgrade in scoring skillset, but with the criticism's I've read George Karl and others make about his basketball IQ regarding team-plays the move just generally makes me pretty nervous. I actually like Korver & Brewer, Bogans not so much...

[dallaslonghorn]

His trigger happiness and proneness to inconsistency is not what our system needs right now. Yeah he'd be an obvious upgrade in scoring skillset, but with the criticism's I've read George Karl and others make about his basketball IQ regarding team-plays the move just generally makes me pretty nervous. I actually like Korver & Brewer, Bogans not so much...

If you combined Korver and Brewer into one player ... they still wouldn't be as good as JR Smith!

And this stuff about "basketball IQ" ... well that's what a coaching staff is for. They put him in a scheme and they hold him accountable for it. JR Smith isn't a total doofus; he's generally aware of what needs to be done, it's just no one has made him.

George Karl I find to be an extremely self-righteous and overrated coach.

[dallaslonghorn]

His trigger happiness and proneness to inconsistency is not what our system needs right now. Yeah he'd be an obvious upgrade in scoring skillset, but with the criticism's I've read George Karl and others make about his basketball IQ regarding team-plays the move just generally makes me pretty nervous. I actually like Korver & Brewer, Bogans not so much...

I'd be a hell of a lot more nervous of running Kyle Korver out there to guard Vince Carter or having the Celtics sag completely off Ronnie Brewer then I would be about having JR Smith on my team.

[Ruh-Roh]

I'd be a hell of a lot more nervous of running Kyle Korver out there to guard Vince Carter or having the Celtics sag completely off Ronnie Brewer then I would be about having JR Smith on my team.

I'm not saying I'm not nervous about that. The 2 spot is obviously our weakest and needs addressing, and Korver on defense is especially scary because you can see he tries, he just is a half step slower than most 2's.

But George Karl has been a coach long enough (overrated or not) that if he can't get through to JR, I don't know if a first year head coach in Thibodeau is going to magically fix him.

It just makes me nervous. I will say, when he's on it's very fun to watch.

[dallaslonghorn]

But George Karl has been a coach long enough (overrated or not) that if he can't get through to JR, I don't know if a first year head coach in Thibodeau is going to magically fix him.

It just makes me nervous. I will say, when he's on it's very fun to watch.

I really think he would be fine. The Denver Nuggets "system" -- which seems to be mainly guys heedlessly taking turns shooting from the perimeter and then aggressively ball-hawking and trying to run (which by the way usually works if you have athletes as good as Denver which is why they are one of my favorite teams to watch) -- isn't very conducive to JR Smith's maturation as a basketball player.

If you give a green light to someone like JR Smith ... well he's going to use it. Liberally. He just needs to be kept on a very tight leash and instantly scolded and benched when he messes up -- for a good example of how this works check out how much more discipline Texas' J'Covan Brown and Jordan Hamilton (two of the most senselessly ignorant players I've seen hoop in a LONG time) play with after one year with a no-nonsense in-your-face coach like Rick Barnes.

[All Net]

Would be a good move on paper, never hurts to have shooters.

[dbronx42]

I really think he would be fine. The Denver Nuggets "system" -- which seems to be mainly guys running around taking turns shooting from the perimeter and then aggressively ball-hawking and trying to run -- isn't very conducive to JR Smith's maturation as a basketball player.

If you give a green light to someone like JR Smith ... well he's going to use it. Liberally. He just needs to be kept on a very tight leash and instantly scolded and benched when he messes up -- for a good example of how this works check out how much more discipline Texas' J'Covan Brown and Jordan Hamilton (two of the most senselessly ignorant players I've seen hoop in a LONG time) play with after one year with a no-nonsense in-your-face coach like Rick Barnes.

Stop comparing college players to JR Smith...

JR is who he is... It's laughable to think that he is suddenly going to become some strict player that limits his shots. There is no possible way that happens... And this is coming from a Nuggets fan.

Every year JR says he has changed and will be a smarter player, only to shoot 8 ridiculous shots the next game, and has 6 TO's.

[Stuckey]

dont need him

rose is the playmaker leave it at that

[dallaslonghorn]

Stop comparing college players to JR Smith...

JR is who he is... It's laughable to think that he is suddenly going to become some strict player that limits his shots. There is no possible way that happens... And this is coming from a Nuggets fan.

Every year JR says he has changed and will be a smarter player, only to shoot 8 ridiculous shots the next game, and has 6 TO's.

Well it would help if the Nuggets had a low-post guy they could throw the ball into and slow the game down a bit. That would naturally make JR a little bit more of a reasonable player.

Why would he change if he's making money and no one is forcing him too? That's the main problem I have with George Karl. I really think if JR Smith played for someone like Rick Carlisle or Popp, a veteran coach who is not taking any mess from his players and keeps them in check rotation-wise, he would be a lot better.

I hope we can find out. It's like inmates running the asylum out in Denver.

[eeeeeebro]

Are people seriously frowning at the idea of bringing in Jr Smith when you have to live with Keith Bogans? Even with knowing what you get with Jr Smith, he is still a much better player than Keith Bogans. Its flat out silly to even question a potential move like this. Are you Bulls fans high? No honestly.

You can sit here and bash Jr Smith baggage all you want. Ad I'm not here to defend or deny he isnt the greatest player in the world. But you're not going to sit there and meh, hell no and :no: Jr Smith in favor of KEITH BOGANS.

I hope Chicago doesnt do a deal. Jr Smith would be a nice offensive addition to the Bulls lackluster SG spot when it comes to offense of ANY kind. Wake up.
bogans fills a roll his style is to play defense and shoot spot up 3s and not be a ball handler... His roll specificly is there in the starting group cause in our starting group we need boozer noah deng and rose to do scoring specificly Rose in the backcourt needs to be handling the ball. Bogans gives us valuable defense while not hurting our team. Then brewer comes in rested for more valuable defense and a decent driving game when rose is tired. then periodicly we put Korver in for some serious scoring when our team is in need of that.... in preseason bogans proved himself hitting 9 -10 3 pointers.. he has tallent...

[MeLO MvP 15]

That would be great for Chicago.... but I can't see a deal working out... first of all any deal for JR would most likely include Korver or Brewer and Asik or Thomas or Johnson... the thing is if Chicago wants JR (which they should, he's a good fit) then they can sign him next summer... also Denver doesn't want to just dump JR... Denver probably wants Korver and Gibson, or maybe a pick, but I doubt Chicago would give up more than just Korver and maybe Asik...

I can't see a deal happening....

[Droid101]

How can you not want to see this as a Bulls fan?
Because of the double-tech he's going to pick up during the final minute of game seven of the Eastern Conference Finals against the Celtics that cost the Bulls the game and series.

[Pharcyde]

I'd rather try and get Marcus Thornton.... But we do need a player like Smith/Marcus to come off the bench and keep the offense going.

[kurple]

What would we get?

James Johnson and a pick? And expiring and pick wouldn't be enough IMO since JR is an expiring himself.

How good is could the Bobcats pick realistically be?

And I don't want to trade JR, he's been much better this season and I want to see what he can do without Melo on the team

[VishaltotheG]

I'd rather try and get Marcus Thornton.... But we do need a player like Smith/Marcus to come off the bench and keep the offense going.

http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0810/mlb.celebrity.world.series.picks/images/kyle-korver.jpg

"Wut"

[VishaltotheG]

I do feel good about this move if it happens. I have faith that Thibby will control him like Phil controlled Artest. Plus, he's going to play defense. Even Korver is applying defensive skills.

[scm5]

J.R. Smith is a pretty good defender as well. He would be a great pick up.

Chicago also missed out on Shannon Brown. If they had signed him, Chicago's record would be looking amazing right now, judging by the way he's been shooting on the Lakers.

[blondie]

I do feel good about this move if it happens. I have faith that Thibby will control him like Phil controlled Artest. Plus, he's going to play defense. Even Korver is applying defensive skills.
Korver started playing defense in Utah, it's not like Thibideau transformed him, Korver is just playing exactly how he did under Jerry Sloan.

I dont think JR Smith can be controlled by anyone, he is uncontrollable.

[Kellogs4toniee]

Because of the double-tech he's going to pick up during the final minute of game seven of the Eastern Conference Finals against the Celtics that cost the Bulls the game and series.


Because we are offensively talented enough now that we do not need an inconsistent chucker, no matter how talented he is. We had Ben Gordon for many years, and there were many ups and downs, but the downs generally outweighed the ups, especially during the playoffs when consistency matters the most.

I would not mind him as a 6th man role. If Thibodeau can instill a defensive mindset in him, then I would take him as a bench player in a second. But as for a starting 2-guard on this already offensively talented Bulls team, I would rather not screw up that chemistry with a character who's been known to cause trouble his entire career both on and off the court.

[Kellogs4toniee]

J.R. Smith is a pretty good defender as well. He would be a great pick up.

Chicago also missed out on Shannon Brown. If they had signed him, Chicago's record would be looking amazing right now, judging by the way he's been shooting on the Lakers.

Looking back now, Shannon Brown would have been great.

[2LeTTeRS]

I really think he would be fine. The Denver Nuggets "system" -- which seems to be mainly guys heedlessly taking turns shooting from the perimeter and then aggressively ball-hawking and trying to run (which by the way usually works if you have athletes as good as Denver which is why they are one of my favorite teams to watch) -- isn't very conducive to JR Smith's maturation as a basketball player.

If you give a green light to someone like JR Smith ... well he's going to use it. Liberally. He just needs to be kept on a very tight leash and instantly scolded and benched when he messes up -- for a good example of how this works check out how much more discipline Texas' J'Covan Brown and Jordan Hamilton (two of the most senselessly ignorant players I've seen hoop in a LONG time) play with after one year with a no-nonsense in-your-face coach like Rick Barnes.

George Karl has done that for the last 4 years and Smith's playing style has not changed. Smith gets benched all the time for his quick trigger. He stays in Karl's doghouse as much as any Nugget. The problem is his talent is undeniable and he has a skill that no other Nugget has.

Smith is not the type of player that will be fixed by any coach. Theres a reason early in his career even though he was more productive than other young players who came straight out of high school that 2 teams gave up on him. He just doesn't seem to get it. I'd still want him on my team though.

[Warners0]

We had our chance at J.R. I want the Bulls to go through the draft evaluation process and find a 2 guard for the future from there.

Personally I hope they draft Lacedarius Dunn from Baylor. He would be a perfect compliment for Rose.

[GOBB]

bogans fills a roll his style is to play defense and shoot spot up 3s and not be a ball handler... His roll specificly is there in the starting group cause in our starting group we need boozer noah deng and rose to do scoring specificly Rose in the backcourt needs to be handling the ball. Bogans gives us valuable defense while not hurting our team. Then brewer comes in rested for more valuable defense and a decent driving game when rose is tired. then periodicly we put Korver in for some serious scoring when our team is in need of that.... in preseason bogans proved himself hitting 9 -10 3 pointers.. he has tallent...

Bogans is weak. Jr Smith actually produces. Spot up 3's? When is he hitting those? Everyone looks special in preseason. You dont prove crap in preseason. You prove it in the regular season.

[dallaslonghorn]

We had our chance at J.R. I want the Bulls to go through the draft evaluation process and find a 2 guard for the future from there.

Personally I hope they draft Lacedarius Dunn from Baylor. He would be a perfect compliment for Rose.

He would. I'm a big fan of Baylor basketball. They play the game with a correct amount of swag.

What they did to St. Mary's in the Sweet 16 last year? :roll:

They've got the great Omar Samhan! They are so fundamentally sound .... they even managed to defeat a 'Nova whose best player is Scottie Reynolds and whose best pro prospects (Wayne and Cheek) hardly play! :eek:

Baylor was just like ... no. We'll be dunking on their heads for 40 minutes, pounding our chests and just generally acting like all-around d*** heads. It was an awesome performance; I remember the announcers being a little upset about how much they were dis-respecting St. Mary's.

[Kellogs4toniee]

Bogans is weak. Jr Smith actually produces. Spot up 3's? When is he hitting those? Everyone looks special in preseason. You dont prove crap in preseason. You prove it in the regular season.


This. Regardless of what Bogans did in pre-season, it has become painstakingly obvious that he is not producing in the regular season. The things that previous user mentioned, spot up shooting, defense, there all spotty. His defense is average at best due to his lack of athleticism at his age. He's shooting below 30% for the season. Even with the lack of points, he has below-average rebounds for a 2-guard starter. Very glad that he is playing less and less minutes. With the trade deadline coming up, I really hope the Bulls address this issue.

Like previously mentioned, I believe JR. Smith is an answer only if certain criteria's are met (he is a 6th man bench player, he is able to adapt to Thibodeus defensive mindset). If those aren't met, then I would rather not gamble with J.R Smith

[Rose]

Bogans is weak. Jr Smith actually produces. Spot up 3's? When is he hitting those? Everyone looks special in preseason. You dont prove crap in preseason. You prove it in the regular season.
Well said. JR Smith>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Bogans. Almost all of the losses have been close, with just one blowout. A legit starting shooting guard changes that.

[el gringos]

George Karl has done that for the last 4 years and Smith's playing style has not changed. Smith gets benched all the time for his quick trigger. He stays in Karl's doghouse as much as any Nugget. The problem is his talent is undeniable and he has a skill that no other Nugget has.

Smith is not the type of player that will be fixed by any coach. Theres a reason early in his career even though he was more productive than other young players who came straight out of high school that 2 teams gave up on him. He just doesn't seem to get it. I'd still want him on my team though.
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Karl has put jr smith in terrible positions to succeed- never even tries him (until end of games/seasons) as a weakside scorer- jr would be the most explosive and dangerous weak side scorer in the nba- instead asks him to create all the shots for himself and others on a second unit that lacks shooting and shot creating- with ty lawson now there as an offensive spark off the bench it makes no sense to not use jr in a position where he would be more efficiant and effective spot
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Carmelo and jr smith on the court together is special and Karl has gone out of his way to avoid showing it- one of the biggest wastes after not using them together has been having billups and not even trying using him to help jrs development by controlling his touches and spots
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Nugs coaching and roster management has been terrible and its all coming to a head right now- none of it is Carmelo, JR smith, Nene, and Billups fault- karl asks these guys to fit in around the role players instead of fitting the role players around these 4 and its killing the franchise

[2LeTTeRS]

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Karl has put jr smith in terrible positions to succeed- never even tries him (until end of games/seasons) as a weakside scorer- jr would be the most explosive and dangerous weak side scorer in the nba- instead asks him to create all the shots for himself and others on a second unit that lacks shooting and shot creating- with ty lawson now there as an offensive spark off the bench it makes no sense to not use jr in a position where he would be more efficiant and effective spot
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Carmelo and jr smith on the court together is special and Karl has gone out of his way to avoid showing it- one of the biggest wastes after not using them together has been having billups and not even trying using him to help jrs development by controlling his touches and spots
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Nugs coaching and roster management has been terrible and its all coming to a head right now- none of it is Carmelo, JR smith, Nene, and Billups fault- karl asks these guys to fit in around the role players instead of fitting the role players around these 4 and its killing the franchise

Seem funny to me that a Nugget fan would be so critical of George Karl, after seeing how bad the team performed under Adrian Dantley.

[ReturnofJPR]

interesting gamble.

Wow, Gar and Pax must have changed their tune in order to win a Championship. They never like Smith in the first place, thus why they traded him away.

[dallaslonghorn]

Seem funny to me that a Nugget fan would be so critical of George Karl, after seeing how bad the team performed under Adrian Dantley.

Just because a coach who is a 5 out of 10 is better then one who is 3 out of 10 doesn't make him a "good" coach.

[dallaslonghorn]

Wow, Gar and Pax must have changed their tune in order to win a Championship. They never like Smith in the first place, thus why they traded him away.

They are also in a lot better place to handle someone like Smith right now ... good solid vet leadership and a solid system where Smith can slip right in and play his position ... also JR has to know that if he keeps his head down and does work in Chicago ... that's A LOT of $ he could be getting.

[dee-rose]

I've come to a conclusion.

any stupid shot JR puts up >> any open shot bogans takes.

pull the trigger.
and now that they have the green light from me... gar and pax will obviously make this happen:lol

[trig]

can chicago sign eisley then trade him for jr smith? lol

[RekeHavoc]

Good move for Chicago, they desperately need scoring from the 2...even if Smith is erratic.

[Samurai Swoosh]

Are people seriously frowning at the idea of bringing in Jr Smith when you have to live with Keith Bogans? Even with knowing what you get with Jr Smith, he is still a much better player than Keith Bogans. Its flat out silly to even question a potential move like this. Are you Bulls fans high? No honestly.

You can sit here and bash Jr Smith baggage all you want. Ad I'm not here to defend or deny he isnt the greatest player in the world. But you're not going to sit there and meh, hell no and :no: Jr Smith in favor of KEITH BOGANS.

I hope Chicago doesnt do a deal. Jr Smith would be a nice offensive addition to the Bulls lackluster SG spot when it comes to offense of ANY kind. Wake up.
This x 10

Bogans is averaging a whopping 4 ppg ...

And he gets about at least on average 6 - 7 absolutely wide open looks a game due to Rose's penetration.

:facepalm

[Jasper]

interesting gamble.

streaky shooter , but if a coach knows when to play him , and yank him , its a gamble.
I do not think he has the smarts like Chuck 'The Rifle man'
He knew when he was smokin' and when he just played defense , waiting to get yanked out...
JR seems to shoot with no regard at times..

Any team , specially a playoff team , would lik a rifleman

[GOBB]

Are there any other SGs Bulls got their eye on?

[Go Getter]

I mean we may never know why some deals aren't done. From the outside looking in it looks appealing but what if JR hates Rose or Boozer or vice versa?

[Duncan21formvp]

Bulls need to get this guy ASAP.