TRADE: Magic trade Vince, Gortat, Pietrus, pick to Suns for J-Rich, Hedo, E.Clark

[MeLO MvP 15]

The Orlando Magic have acquired Jason Richardson, Hedo Turkoglu and Earl Clark from the Phoenix Suns in exchange for Vince Carter, Marcin Gortat, Mickael Pietrus, a 2011 first round draft selection and cash considerations, President of Basketball Operations/General Manager Otis Smith announced today.

“We’re very excited to welcome these three players to our family,” said Smith. “Jason (Richardson) is a tremendous athlete who runs the floor, can shoot the ball and loves to compete. We’re obviously familiar with Hedo (Turkoglu). He is a great shooter and is a player that has flourished in our system. We liked Earl (Clark) in the draft a few years ago, and he will help fortify our frontcourt. Vince (Carter), Marcin (Gortat) and Mickael (Pietrus) did a lot for our organization and we wish them great success in the future.”


Read more: http://www.insidehoops.com/blog/?p=6938#ixzz18VFUJm4u

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Wow, Orlando really missed Turkoglu. Sucks for Steve Nash, his team has pretty much taken away his consistent scoring option and the future doesn't look too bright. Sure they dump Turk (who they just got lol) and get a true center, but they're gna miss Richardson. Maybe Nash can help VC out and maybe Orlando was just a bad fit. Kinda funny b/c Turk ends up the winner here IMO, he wanted to stay in Orlando but wanted the money more, now he gets both and the Magic pretty much admitted to making a mistake by getting rid of him lol. Richardson will be a great fit at SG for Orlando IMO. I can't see them pulling of the Arenas deal now, unless they're planning on bringing Turk, Richardson or Arenas off the bench. Also if they trade Lewis for Arenas then they lose what made Turk so good in Orlando. Also he did well in Orlando b/c he shared the ball handling duties with Nelson, but with Arenas how would that work?

Seems like a panic move for Orlando IMO

[2LeTTeRS]

You realize this is just an add-on to the same deal that already has 2 threads on the first page right?

[Blue&Orange]

I'm pretty sure Magic interest is Richardson, and Suns only do it if they get rid of Turkoglu. I really don't see how Turk is the winner.

[Qwyjibo]

The winner of that trade is Gortat. He'll finally get some minutes and he'll be fed by Steve Nash. I would think he'd be dying to go to any team that doesn't have a superstar C.

[BlackWhiteGreen]

The winner of the trade is Phoenix. Broussard says:


Full deal: Phx sends Hedo/J Rich/Earl Clark to Orlando for Vince/Gortat/Pietrus, 2011 first round pick and cash considerations, sources say

Which is daylight robbery. PHX gets 3 of the best 4 players in the deal, plus a pick, plus cash.

[BallsOut]

If this trade along with the Arenas for Lewis swap goes down:

PG: Nelson/Duhon/Williams
SG: Arenas/Reddick
SF: Richardson/Anderson
PF: Turkoglu/Bass/Allen
C: Howard/Orton

:eek:

[Qwyjibo]

Full deal: Phx sends Hedo/J Rich/Earl Clark to Orlando for Vince/Gortat/Pietrus, 2011 first round pick and cash considerations, sources say
If that's the full deal then it's a steal for Phoenix. Wow.

[LJJ]

Orlando front office is just awful.

[ChuckOakley]

SUNS
Nash / Gragic
Carter / Pietrus / Childress
G.Hill / Warrick
Frye / Dudley / Lawal
Gortat / Lopez / Barron

Great deal for Orlando, though I don't think they really have improved enough to guarantee playoffs.

[824]

If this trade along with the Arenas for Lewis swap goes down:

PG: Nelson/Duhon/Williams
SG: Arenas/Reddick
SF: Richardson/Anderson
PF: Turkoglu/Bass/Allen
C: Howard/Orton

:eek:

Ewww

Why are they moving sideways :confusedshrug:

[Lakers13]

SUNS
Nash / Gragic
Carter / Pietrus / Childress
G.Hill / Warrick
Frye / Dudley / Lawal
Gortat / Lopez / Barron

Great deal for Orlando, though I don't think they really have improved enough to guarantee playoffs.

I'd start Lopez over Frye at the PF spot

[ginobli2311]

its better on paper for the suns looking at it in a vacuum, but that is not how this works.

gortat is giving the magic nothing. he's worthless on their roster. he gives them like 4 points and 5 boards a game in 16 minutes. that is easy to replace. so they lose nothing with him.

vince is awful and plays no defense and is a playoff choker. you'd much rather have hedo than vince in the playoffs. hedo is a much better fit for this team as well.

j-rich is better than pietrus.

so while on paper its better for the suns in a vacuum...the deal is actually great for orlando as well. the magic are trying to win a title, and they just got a lot better for that.

the deal was done because it helps the suns as well. its mutually beneficial.

[Qwyjibo]

Ewww

Why are they moving sideways :confusedshrug:
Same thing I thought too. These are lateral moves for Orlando. Changes for the sake of making changes. They gain a little bit of playmaking I guess with Arenas/Turkoglu.

[MeLO MvP 15]

Damn Orlando must have a lot of faith in Bass now b/c they have no bigs left (besides Howard and Bass). Damn I think they almost have to try get a back up big now.

They should try to get Murphy (idk if they have the pieces to though). This probably makes Reddick available (where's he gna play with Nelson, Arenas, Richardson (Jason and Q) and Turkoglu)... He'd be a good fit in Denver, Chicago, New Orleans and a couple of places.

Damn Orlando's owner has deep pockets.

[Faberg]

So the Suns get Gortat back since they traded his draft rights and they get another pick. Nice! :rockon:

Gortat wont worry about playing time. He'll be playing immediately.

[IN-PAX-WE-TRUST]

Same thing I thought too. These are lateral moves for Orlando. Changes for the sake of making changes. They gain a little bit of playmaking I guess with Arenas/Turkoglu.

I disagree. Orlando improved from these moves. They actually have a couple guys who can create their own shot. Lewis and Vince are done.

[UtahJazzFan88]

Orlando looks like they got the better deal to me IMO.

J-Rich has been out playing Vince Carter this year, weather that's a product of Nash, who knows, but he's been statistically better then him this year.

Hedo is still a better replacement then Pietrus.

Gortat is a decent player, but I don't see what everyone is so high on the guy.

[Rose]

Nash+Vinsanity backcourt=2k AWESOME!

But the Magic definitely got better. Getting Hedo back, adding another wing scorer in J-rich. I could see them flipping J-rich though for some backup bigs or at least one since they lost Gortat.

[PP34Deuce]

I think people feel its a lateral move because they basically traded for a swingman whos about as good as New Jersey VC. hes still close to 30 with an injury past.

hes playing better than VC, but its not a huge upgrade. consistent scoring and a lil more athletiscm for the next 2 years.

Hedo was a match up nightmare for us last time around,but Garnett,and an improving Davis can offset that.

Not having Gortat will be a blow because thatbig men depth is a BONUS in the playoffs. I imagine they will pick somebody up

[Qwyjibo]

Getting Hedo back
Why do people keep bringing this up as if it's a positive thing?

[Orlando Magic]

Gortat isn't part of the deal.

[Rose]

Why do people keep bringing this up as if it's a positive thing?
He had his best year there, maybe he can go back to being that go. Plus he creates his own shot, which the Magic sorely need. And he can set people up.

[GatorKid117]

Why do people keep bringing this up as if it's a positive thing?

I don't understand it either. Anyway, it's reportedly official:


he Orlando Magic and Phoenix Suns have reportedly agreed on a trade that includes Vince Carter, Marcin Gortat, Mickael Pietrus, Jason Richardson, Hedo Turkoglu, Earl Clark, a draft pick and cash. Posted by Ben Golliver.

Earlier today, we noted a report from CBSSports.com's Ken Berger that outlined the developing possibility of a trade between the Orlando Magic and the Phoenix Suns. Yahoo! Sports and ESPN.com are both reporting on Saturday that a deal has been consummated between the two teams.

The Orlando Magic will reportedly send guard Vince Carter, center Marcin Gortat, wing Mickael Pietrus a first round pick and $3 million (the maximum amount allowed in a trade) to the Phoenix Suns for Jason Richardson, Hedo Turkoglu and Earl Clark.

For the Magic, they get a proven playoff scoring threat in Jason Richardson and a versatile forward with whom they are familiar in Turkoglu. They also get a heavy burden with Turkoglu's contract and sacrifice depth in the middle with the departure of Gortat.

The Suns immediately address their needs for defense and rebounding with the acquisition of Gortat and shed the remaining years of salary owed to Turkoglu. They also roll the dice on Carter, who is in the final year of his guaranteed contract.

Berger confirms the Suns/Magic trade reports and additionally reports that a trade between the Orlando Magic and Washington Wizards sending Wizards guard Gilbert Arenas to the Magic for forward Rashard Lewis is a "done deal."

CBSSports source confirms: Magic get Turkoglu, JRich, Earl Clark from Suns, Arenas from Wizards. "Done deal," CBSSports source says. Wizards get Rashard Lewis, while Suns get Carter, Gortat, Pietrus.

Berger also notes that a source tells him that the Houston Rockets "tried to get in mix for Gortat, with Kevin Martin going to Magic, but couldn't get it done."

The move of Lewis for Arenas is a swap of horrible contracts, but it makes some sense for Orlando as it was going to be difficult to find minutes for Lewis, Turkoglu and the team's two other power forwards, Ryan Anderson and Brandon Bass. The Magic add two scoring threats on the perimeter in Arenas and Richardson, but the trades leave them extremely vulnerable in the middle should anything happen to Dwight Howard.

http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22748484/26507013?source=rss_teams_Phoenix_Suns

[BallsOut]

I don't understand it either. Anyway, it's reportedly official:



http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22748484/26507013?source=rss_teams_Phoenix_Suns

Wow, I thought the Wizards were going to send a backup C to the Magic. Now who backs up Dwight? Orton?

[ginobli2311]

I don't understand it either. Anyway, it's reportedly official:



http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22748484/26507013?source=rss_teams_Phoenix_Suns

here's a hint. if dwight howard gets hurt or misses a ton of game time....the magic aren't winning anyway. so who cares if this "leaves them vulnerable in the middle should anything happen to howard"

of course they are screwed if their best player goes down. no kidding.

these deals help the magic immensely. they'll be able to find a way to replace gortat's 16 minutes 4 points 5 boards. don't worry. clark is a decent player with good upside as well. he's 6-10 and could easily produce what gortat was doing in 16 minutes.

[Anti Hero]

Gortat isn't part of the deal.

Is too

[comerb]

Richardson gives Orlando a player who can create his own shots and penetrate on defense, something they were sorely lacking.

I think its a pretty solid move for Orlando. If they can also pull off the Arenas trade it will give them an very potent(and less streaky) offensive team, and they'll be a good defensive team as long as Howard is the anchor. Arenas is also a much better defender than Carter.

They will have a pretty small back-court though. Guess it doesn't matter much when Howard is your Center.

[AznTacoLover]

OKayyyy, so a nash and carter backcourt sounds interesting, hedo can go back to magic he's a scrub to me who can shoot threes.. but Ima miss richardson :(

[MeLO MvP 15]

Like I said earlier, Orlando desperately needs a back up man. JJ Redick and Q Rich are now very available, I assume. Not too many bigs they can get. Closer to the deadline some new names will be available, but considering how many other teams also need big men, I can't think of a trade that would really net them a decent big.

Maybe if Sheed comes back from retirement, but that's a long shot. Is it time for an Antoine Walker? lol

[MeLO MvP 15]

Gortat isn't part of the deal.
http://www.dailyhaggis.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/o_rly.jpg

[Faberg]

Sources say Nash is "thrilled with the deal"


@chadfordinsider Nash thrilled with deal RT @SteveNash Everyone wish @jrich23 the best in Orlando. Great player and great teammate! He will be missed. Damn.

[MeLO MvP 15]

Sources say Nash is "thrilled with the deal"
I feel like this trade could go either way for Phoenix. Vince might have a reniassance in PHX, like a lot of vets have, and Gortat plays up to his potential becoming a good defensive/rebounding center and Nash makes him looks great on offense. OR VC continues to decline and Gortat looks like a stiff with true minutes.

I think Orlando knows what they're getting out of this deal.

[Magic Vinsanity]

Why do people keep bringing this up as if it's a positive thing?Because Turk didnt get worse since he left Orlando, he just got exposed. He should still play well in the Magic system.

ok my thoughts on this, hmmmm....

Vince and Rashard are both washed up. I hate to say it, I'm a huge fan of Vince and loved hearing he was coming to Orlando 2 years ago, but the guy has been a bust. He shows flashes of his former self here and there but in general, he just isnt the guy he was, and we shouldnt have expected him to be, it wasnt fair on him.

Rashard has never been the same since he was suspended for PED's. I'm not saying that has anything to do with it, but its a fact. I like Lewis though, I've enjoyed his time in Orlando, I wont miss his play this year or that massive contract though.

Pietrus. I LOVE this dude. Yes, he is a chucker, but once he gets hot, holy shit, he can burn you for 15 points in like 6-7 minutes! I'll miss him, although this year again, has to be his worst since being in a Magic uniform.

Gortat. Same thing, horrible year, but once he gets starters minutes he will either become the guy alot of people think he can be and the guy the Suns desperately need him to be, OR he'll be the overrated, foul prone guy that he was 90% of the time that he started when Howard was absent. I think Orlando will definitely miss him the most though, as a backup he was great, as a starter, I'm not convinced, yet. Good luck to him though.

Turk. If he can come in and do what he used to, I'm happy. I hated when he left and I'm glad he's back, if he has fallen off though, thats not good, at all, he'll be untradable with that deal.

Jason Richardson. Have no idea, havent paid attention to him, I've no idea what he brings, or what type of player he is, can anybody clue me in on his strengths and weaknesses? Same with Earl whoever.

Gilbert. The wildcard. If the guy's knee plays up and we have another Grant Hill on our hands, we're in the shit, no question about it. If he can come in, find his own shot, be an offensive spark and give up 20PPG, thats double what we are getting from Lewis, we need scorers.

Its all on paper right now so who knows what it will play out like, with team chemistry, injuries, stuff like that. We'll see, but Orlando were in a funk and sadly, as people have been saying, wherent contending this year so was it desperation? Maybe, but whats worse, desperation move that doesnt make you any worse, or standing still and just letting yourself lose games?

[Rockets(T-mac)]

Carter Nash should be fun to watch on the fast break.

[IN-PAX-WE-TRUST]

Magic are a better team after this deal. Vince/Lewis are done and Gortat is a backup C who plays 12 minutes a game. Who gives a shit/.

[dee-rose]

This is starting to look like a defensive disaster for Orlando... not that VC and Shard were good defenders but wow.

[MeLO MvP 15]

Sources say Nash is "thrilled with the deal"
haha I love he completely ignores Turk. BURN!

[97 bulls]

Ewww

Why are they moving sideways :confusedshrug:
This exactly. And that's all teams liike orlando, denver, new orleans, and cleveland ever do. All have a player that's capable of leading a team to a championship. And all these teams do is get has beens or solid role players. And the sad thing is that they have a blue print to follow. You must have two players capable of leading a team as the best player. Two players that are really good, and role players. They always det the role players and the really good players, but never get that number 2 guy that's capable of leading a team.

I really don't blame lebron for leaving or carmello for wanting to leave. And I wouldn't blame howard and paul if they did likwise.

[ReturnofJPR]

Great trades for both teams. PHX really isn't anything anyway so they get bigger and get VC. The Magic really improve. Good for them.

[Rose]

This exactly. And that's all teams liike orlando, denver, new orleans, and cleveland ever do. All have a player that's capable of leading a team to a championship. And all these teams do is get has beens or solid role players. And the sad thing is that they have a blue print to follow. You must have two players capable of leading a team as the best player. Two players that are really good, and role players. They always det the role players and the really good players, but never get that number 2 guy that's capable of leading a team.

I really don't blame lebron for leaving or carmello for wanting to leave. And I wouldn't blame howard and paul if they did likwise.
Someone knows the Secret!

[ReturnofJPR]

SUNS
Nash / Gragic
Carter / Pietrus / Childress
G.Hill / Warrick
Frye / Dudley / Lawal
Gortat / Lopez / Barron

Great deal for Orlando, though I don't think they really have improved enough to guarantee playoffs.

SCREW GRANT HILL!!! That guy is terrible!!!

Pietrus has to start over that old man.

Nash
Carter
Pietrus
Frye
Lopez


You underrate Lopez. He just got back from injury. But Gortat will still get 20-25 min a game, maybe more if he is outperforming Lopez which he will on some nights.

[ReturnofJPR]

Like I said earlier, Orlando desperately needs a back up man. JJ Redick and Q Rich are now very available, I assume. Not too many bigs they can get. Closer to the deadline some new names will be available, but considering how many other teams also need big men, I can't think of a trade that would really net them a decent big.

Maybe if Sheed comes back from retirement, but that's a long shot. Is it time for an Antoine Walker? lol

think Orlando would be interested in a something that involved JJ Redick for Taj Gibson as the key pieces to a trade?

[HorryIsMyMVP]

SCREW GRANT HILL!!! That guy is terrible!!!

Pietrus has to start over that old man.

Nash
Carter
Pietrus
Frye
Lopez


You underrate Lopez. He just got back from injury. But Gortat will still get 20-25 min a game, maybe more if he is outperforming Lopez which he will on some nights.
Dude that isn't cool don't disrespect Grant Hill. He plays very very well even at his advanced age. I agree they should start Pietrus though. I've always thought they needed a smart veteran leader to come off the bench for the Suns.

[Nash]

WTF? Why didnt they go for Carmelo? Dude would be great with Dwight..

[dee-rose]

think Orlando would be interested in a something that involved JJ Redick for Taj Gibson as the key pieces to a trade?

I hope so. I love Gibson, but JJ Redick on the bulls :bowdown:

[dee-rose]

WTF? Why didnt they go for Carmelo? Dude would be great with Dwight..

I'm assuming they went for him too

[DaBigReality]

think Orlando would be interested in a something that involved JJ Redick for Taj Gibson as the key pieces to a trade?

If I'm the Magic then I do that trade in a heartbeat.

But that would be beyond retarded for the Bulls to do, especially now that Noah is gone for 2 months.

[ReturnofJPR]

If I'm the Magic then I do that trade in a heartbeat.

But that would be beyond retarded for the Bulls to do, especially now that Noah is gone for 2 months.

Noah will be back b4 the deadline at the end of February. So the trade can go down mid-Feb.

[Holy Random]

As a Suns fan JRich has grown on me over the years and he has really improved and helped this team. I just can't imagine losing JRich at the SG position who has tons of heart to get Carter who is the Tin Man...

It will be nice to get rid of Turk, Gortat is a real big that the Suns desperately need and Pietrus is a solid defender so overall I think the deal may in fact help the Suns because of the size and defense but I'm just sad to see JRich for Carter...

[BallsOut]

think Orlando would be interested in a something that involved JJ Redick for Taj Gibson as the key pieces to a trade?

Are you nuts? The Bulls would not deal Gibson at this point. They're already short in the front court with Noah out.

[PleezeBelieve]

Damn, Orlando gave up all that to eat Hedo's contract???? lol

[Batz]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=201520

For updated news ^^.

[NoEasy9]

If It isnt on Wikipedia, then it isnt true. .

[Bosnian Sajo]

trade is a done deal http://www.nba.com/2010/news/12/18/magic-suns-trade/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpt1

OFFICIALLY

[Magic Vinsanity]

Damn, Orlando gave up all that to eat Hedo's contract???? lol

J-Rich is the main focal point of the Suns trade, not Turk. And Turk should be able to come in and do what he used to for Orlando, pretty much.

[NastaMaverick]

wow i liked the lewis-arenas swap for the magic, not sure yet how i feel about the suns trade. seems relatively even though..

[ReturnofJPR]

Are you nuts? The Bulls would not deal Gibson at this point. They're already short in the front court with Noah out.

You must be an idiot to not realize when the trade deadline is. :applause:

[DuMa]

wow i like this move for both teams. i dont know why turk ever left orlando in the first place. idiot orlando wasted a year without him.

but pietrus, carter and gortat should have a bump their careers if nash is healthy. i cant wait for the alley oops that nash will throw to these guys. these guys are capable finishers around the rim.

[Penny4MVP2k]

Carter Nash should be fun to watch on the fast break.

Did the Magic throw in a Flux Capacitor in the deal? :D

Personally, I feel both teams improve here...

Vince goes to a system better suited to his style, and Phoenix gets a mobile Center who can also step out and hit the 12 footer.

They also get a pick and from what I've been hearing, they could have interest in Anthony Randolph (not sure how true this one is).

The Magic had to do something... They do seem to get a little weaker defensively, but perhaps the younger-legs gained in the deal can overcome that.

[dab0yech0]

Carter Nash should be fun to watch on the fast break.
6 years ago

[stephanieg]

I like how the Suns have effectively blown it up after making the conference finals. Except, you know, they're still pretending to want to be good.

Nash goes from Amare/J-Rich to Gortat/Vince. Ouch!

[Anti Hero]

I like how the Suns have effectively blown it up after making the conference finals. Except, you know, they're still pretending to want to be good.

Nash goes from Amare/J-Rich to Gortat/Vince. Ouch!

I doubt this is the last move they make, Pietrus and Gortat are good players to have as role players. Evenutally the Suns are gonna have to trade Nash for something. Not saying this year but next years team will look different.

[Gundress]

Shit just got real.

[Profound]

Good trade for the Magic in paper I guess, because you just never know what you're going to get from Rich and Hedo but they get rid of guys who weren't playing well or much and get guys who can do what they like which is shoot. Hopefully they get an active and motivated J-Rich and Hedo goes back to being a play maker and decent go-to guy.

[Funnyfuka]

But Turkoglu never figured out a way to play with Steve Nash, and his energy was so low, a team source said, that he was beginning to drag down the effectiveness of backup guard Goran Dragic as well.

"It was almost like he retired," the source said.


what a ****ing immature lazy sob.

[Spue]

turk is gone!!:rockon: :djparty :djparty :djparty :hammertime: :hammertime: :hammertime: :hammertime: :party: :party:

[Faberg]

turk is gone!!:rockon: :djparty :djparty :djparty :hammertime: :hammertime: :hammertime: :party: :party:

:djparty

[Kujo]

Magic needed a shake up, so I'm not surprised. Hedo in back in Orlando. LOL. Let's see if he can regain his form. If not, Orlando's in big trouble.

I am surprised Phoenix traded J-Rich. He was playing well for them. He's been traded a bunch of times, so I guess I shouldn't be.

Gortat is finally going to get minutes in Phoenix. I expect him to play well with Nash.

Good trade for all teams involved.

[wagexslave]

I'm gonna miss the hell out of J-Rich. He's been awesome this year.:bowdown:

[It's A VC3!!!]

Otis Smith is really stupid, he thinks the problem for the Magic were V.C, Lewis, and Gortat, partially, I think the main failure is still there, Jameer Nelson, who can't even play make or average more then 10 assists on a team with Dwight, V.C,Lewis, J.J, ETC... I like Jameer Nelson but the Magic need a true point guard to have a chance, them just trading and taking on huge contracts isn't going to win them a title.

Anyways good luck Vince,
and Lewis,Gortat :(

[Funnyfuka]

Otis Smith is really stupid, he thinks the problem for the Magic were V.C, Lewis, and Gortat, partially, I think the main failure is still there, Jameer Nelson, who can't even play make or average more then 10 assists on a team with Dwight, V.C,Lewis, J.J, ETC... I like Jameer Nelson but the Magic need a true point guard to have a chance, them just trading and taking on huge contracts isn't going to win them a title.

Anyways good luck Vince,
and Lewis,Gortat :(
so true. He was right with lewis and VC not being productive enough, but jameer should have gone too. I hope gortat is going to be able to show off his skills more with nash now.

[HorryIsMyMVP]

Otis Smith is really stupid, he thinks the problem for the Magic were V.C, Lewis, and Gortat, partially, I think the main failure is still there, Jameer Nelson, who can't even play make or average more then 10 assists on a team with Dwight, V.C,Lewis, J.J, ETC... I like Jameer Nelson but the Magic need a true point guard to have a chance, them just trading and taking on huge contracts isn't going to win them a title.

Anyways good luck Vince,
and Lewis,Gortat :(
The Magic's management is just some of the worst people in the world. I bet it went something like this.

Stan Van Gundy goes to GM " our team is missing 3's and not taking enough of them"

GM : "You are right Stanley son. We shall get the biggest chuckers in the NBA. Then we shall form this super team where we can make sure Dwight never touches the ball....Muhahahaha!."

[JustinJDW]

Suns raped in this deal. Don't know what the hell Otis Smith was thinking. Gortat and Pietrus is going to beast in the Suns system, and VC might very well blow up again. Magic gave up two fantastic roleplayers in Gortat and Pietrus who are starter quality so they can have Turk's contract and a J-Rich who is good, but is about to hit 30.

And the Magic gave up a 1st Round Pick too? Wow. :wtf:

I like the Arenas-Lewis trade, but giving up Vinsanatity, Gortat, Pietrus and a 1st round pick for those two guys wasn't good. Now the Suns are good again, damn, lol.

Oh, and Earl Clark. :rolleyes:

[Harrison_Barnes]

Suns win this deal.. but its not as bad as it looks. Magic needs to move Reddick or Q.. maybe even Nelson. If they move Nelson they could slide Arenas over to PG and they wouldn't have to play small.

[Arroyo8]

so true. He was right with lewis and VC not being productive enough, but jameer should have gone too. I hope gortat is going to be able to show off his skills more with nash now.


i heard somehwere the magic are still trying to make one more deal though i think it will be for a big

[vinsane01]

I guess this is one of those trades where we cant tell if things will work out until we actually see them play. But im optimistic for the outcome for all the teams involve. My initial reaction was they are making a big mistake for trading gortat but its clear that they rather give bass the minutes. Im kind of excited to see how phoenix is going to use gortat. Anyway, on paper the magic is the biggest winner in this trade having rid of the overpaid lewis, reacquiring hedo and adding arenas and j.rich into their backcourt.

[flipogb]

its kind of hard to find a team that desperately needs a PG so i don't know where they could trade Nelson

[bagelred]

Geez I'm away from this forum for 2 seconds and all hell breaks loose.

Have we ever seen a top 8 team in the league make such wholesale changes mid season. Just wow.......

[Arroyo8]

whats the suns starting lineup going to look like now
?

[Arroyo8]

its kind of hard to find a team that desperately needs a PG so i don't know where they could trade Nelson


bobcats culd use a PG and a scorer but idk what the magic would want from them

[broy]

bobcats culd use a PG and a scorer but idk what the magic would want from them

Tyrus Thomas.

[nashisbest]

what a lousy move for suns! who the hell trades your top scorer away mid season!~?~?

[Arroyo8]

Tyrus Thomas.
don't think bobcats would give him up though

[IGOTGAME]

its kind of hard to find a team that desperately needs a PG so i don't know where they could trade Nelson

teams off the top of my head:

Philladelphia - Jameer Nelson's home
Raptors
Pistons
Bobcats
Possibly Hawks(Bibby is really old)

its gonna be really hard for them to get equal value for Nelson. They may end up having to keep him(which isnt a bad thing)

Honestly, they may be better off keeping them. Unless Gilbert gets back to form Nelson is better than him.

Maybe they can package Jameer Nelson and Reddick for Iggy?

Is Boris Diaw still any good?

[PHX_Phan]

what a lousy move for suns! who the hell trades your top scorer away mid season!~?~?

A team that realizes he will not carry them to a Championship, or even the playoffs at that. They aren't doing anything this season, they may as well make some moves to address problems and try to get back to where they were.

I'm liking this trade. We get out of Hedo's contract and in turn get a better defensive player and a guy that will hit the 3 with the same consistency. J-Rich for VC is a blow but I feel the pieces added on the defensive end will make up for the disparity in those guys. If VC doesn't work out, I'm pretty sure this is the last year on his contract anyway. And Gortat over Earl Clark? Even if Gortat doesn't meet expectations as a starter, I'll take him over hoping and praying that Earl gets better with no real signs of it happening.

At face value they seem to get a legit center, which was a huge piece they were missing, an extra pick that will help them get some promising young talent and opens them up financially to make some moves. People need to start realizing that we're nearing the end of the Nash era, they need to start doing something before they have nobody of worth and nothing to work with.

[AznTacoLover]

OH SHIET Oh shiet! VC and nashy together ! :)

[macpierce]

OH SHIET Oh shiet! way past his prime VC and nearing his end nashy together ! :)
fixed, it pains me to do it to nash however

[Walker]

I'm not really sure what to think of this trade from Phoenix's side.
Losing J-Rich is gonna hurt pretty bad, I think alot of people don't realise just how important he has been to Phoenix and I highly doubt Carter can fill that role.
Turk gone, no issues there at all and he goes back to the one system in the league where he can be effective.
I like Pietrus but I don't see where his minutes are going to come from, unless there's a Carter buyout coming. Hill, Dudley, Childress and Carter all ahead of him at the 2/3 spots. Maybe with a buyout could see Childress start with Dragic getting minutes at 2 while still backing up Nash.
The big one is Gortat, I've thought for while now that given minutes he can be one of the better Centers in the league, guess we'll find out now.

Gortat/Lopez/Barron
Warrick/Frye/Barron
Hill/Dudley/Pietrus
Carter?/Childress/Pietrus
Nash/Dragic

[Draz]

Gortat is definitely going to start to erupt because of Nash now.

[boozehound]

gotta say Im a little sad that gortat wont become a piston. Weird that they got hedo back, but overall, they've made this an interesting offensive team.

With somewhat limited defense, esp if howard picks up some fouls.

So, I guess the rotation is something like
nelson/arenas/Williams/Duhon?
arenas? Richardson? JJ?
Hedo?/Q? JRich?
Bass/Anderson/Clark
Howard/Ortiz?

seems like a super deep perimeter team with a pretty limited frontcourt roster. Did I miss anyone?

[boozehound]

Gortat is definitely going to start to erupt because of Nash now.
While it will help, simply playing more will show what he is capable of. Dude is a solid, top 20 center in this league IMO.

[Maniak]

Give Earl Clark minutes.

Thats all I ask, damnit

[josh99]

:wtf: Just got access to internet.

[d.bball.guy]

Can J-Rich play SF?

[bluechox2]

i like the traide. this means nash may be available next season

[mayo'sgrizz]

they can very well beat the celtics now if u dont believe tht ur a fuggin idiot... this is fuggin hugeeee

[crisoner]

Shit just got real.

This

Wow...huge trades!

[ronnymac]

Vince now will get a ton of open looks thanks to Steve Nash. His numbers will rise because of Nash

[Magic Vinsanity]

Vince now will get a ton of open looks thanks to Steve Nash. His numbers will rise because of Nash

He was getting a ton of open looks because of Dwight Howard, didnt make any difference.

[ronnymac]

He was getting a ton of open looks because of Dwight Howard, didnt make any difference.
Having an actual playmaker who can get you a variety of different type of shots is alot different

[Magic Vinsanity]

Having an actual playmaker who can get you a variety of different type of shots is alot different

Wide open looks are wide open looks, regardless of who passes the ball to you. VC was getting wide open looks every game in Orlando, he just wants making them.

[ronnymac]

Wide open looks are wide open looks, regardless of who passes the ball to you. VC was getting wide open looks every game in Orlando, he just wants making them.
Wide open looks that nash can get him will be in a variety of different spots on the court. The ones Howard could draw or gwet him was generaly on the 3pt line. Nash can get him alot more high % looks which he has alot better shot of getting.

[Magic Vinsanity]

Wide open looks that nash can get him will be in a variety of different spots on the court. The ones Howard could draw or gwet him was generaly on the 3pt line. Nash can get him alot more high % looks which he has alot better shot of getting.

The majority of his looks were coming from about 15 foot out on the baseline and the top of the key, the guy was just not making them.

Nobody in the league at this point gets their team mates as wide open as Dwight and Vince was struggling. I hope he improves in PHX but I have my doubts, I think he is just on his natural, age-related decline.

[Bigsmoke]

they can very well beat the celtics now if u dont believe tht ur a fuggin idiot... this is fuggin hugeeee

.. ok :oldlol:

[dallaslonghorn]

While it will help, simply playing more will show what he is capable of. Dude is a solid, top 20 center in this league IMO.

When the Magic matched the Mavs contract offer last year, I threw my shoe at the television :oldlol:

I could see him forming a killer P/R combo with Nash. Am I crazy to think he could be a top 10 center in Phoenix? Really not that many guys out there to compete with :oldlol:

[mmsupra]

The majority of his looks were coming from about 15 foot out on the baseline and the top of the key, the guy was just not making them.

Nobody in the league at this point gets their team mates as wide open as Dwight and Vince was struggling. I hope he improves in PHX but I have my doubts, I think he is just on his natural, age-related decline.

They don't watch magic games , DUDE HAD OPEN LOOKS ALL NIGHT! Listennnnnnn :hammerhead:

[HorryIsMyMVP]

I think wide open jump shots are a lot different then wide open lay ups or catch and dunks.

[BIG FURB]

Wide open looks are wide open looks, regardless of who passes the ball to you. VC was getting wide open looks every game in Orlando, he just wants making them.

He was shooting 47% for the season (a career high), the guy was hitting his shots. Why do people feel the need to lie to make their arguments?

[ATL_Bball_King]

I think People are really sleeping on Gilbert Arenas...He has been on the WIZARDS!!!!!! How good have they ever been...And ask anyone in the league how happy they would be if someone just gave them Dwight Howard after having Javale Mcghee...I think this will resurrect his career...

JRich will do what carter jus did just more consistently...And i think Turk is the wild card because no one knows whats his problem...

As for people talking about Foul trouble on D Howard and that will cause them to epic failure... I mean this is not new stuff...Its people's game plans to get him in foul trouble every game and that is how people always thought in beating the magic... So this is not something new they dealt with...

I still dont think they can beat Boston in the East....But no team can in the east...Who else has possible 5 hall of famers...

But magic does have better offense and slightly worst defense now...

[Mrofir]

I'm not really sure what to think of this trade from Phoenix's side.
Losing J-Rich is gonna hurt pretty bad, I think alot of people don't realise just how important he has been to Phoenix and I highly doubt Carter can fill that role.
Turk gone, no issues there at all and he goes back to the one system in the league where he can be effective.
I like Pietrus but I don't see where his minutes are going to come from, unless there's a Carter buyout coming. Hill, Dudley, Childress and Carter all ahead of him at the 2/3 spots. Maybe with a buyout could see Childress start with Dragic getting minutes at 2 while still backing up Nash.
The big one is Gortat, I've thought for while now that given minutes he can be one of the better Centers in the league, guess we'll find out now.

Gortat/Lopez/Barron
Warrick/Frye/Barron
Hill/Dudley/Pietrus
Carter?/Childress/Pietrus
Nash/Dragic

I will be shocked if that ends up being the lineup. I'd much more expect something like..

Nash\Dragic
Carter\Pietrus
Hill\Dudley
Frye\Warrick
Lopez\Gortat or Gortat\Lopez

Childress hasn't even been getting minutes lately.. his broken finger is hopefully the reason for lack of productivity but he hasn't really shown much this season. his minutes would be split at the 2\3 spot as the 11th guy. And I see Frye at PF -- the Suns system needs a pf who can stretch the floor more than attack the hoop, especially now with vc and gortat who can run pnr.

[boozehound]

I think People are really sleeping on Gilbert Arenas...He has been on the WIZARDS!!!!!! How good have they ever been...And ask anyone in the league how happy they would be if someone just gave them Dwight Howard after having Javale Mcghee...I think this will resurrect his career...

JRich will do what carter jus did just more consistently...And i think Turk is the wild card because no one knows whats his problem...

As for people talking about Foul trouble on D Howard and that will cause them to epic failure... I mean this is not new stuff...Its people's game plans to get him in foul trouble every game and that is how people always thought in beating the magic... So this is not something new they dealt with...

I still dont think they can beat Boston in the East....But no team can in the east...Who else has possible 5 hall of famers...

But magic does have better offense and slightly worst defense now...
addressing the depth at the 5. Before they had a very capable backup who could play 15-30 mins if howard was in trouble. now, who do the have? Ortiz? Dude couldnt get many mins on a solid but not great kentucky team, and I have seen nothing to indicate drastic improvement. Malik Allen? Bass? If howard went down with an injury, this whole team looks much much worse.

That being said, I think it was a good trade for them.

[zORi]

addressing the depth at the 5. Before they had a very capable backup who could play 15-30 mins if howard was in trouble. now, who do the have? Ortiz? Dude couldnt get many mins on a solid but not great kentucky team, and I have seen nothing to indicate drastic improvement. Malik Allen? Bass? If howard went down with an injury, this whole team looks much much worse.

That being said, I think it was a good trade for them.

Lol, if Howard goes down with an injury, we're screwed, anyway. With or without the trade.

And as for Vince shooting 47%, that's because he has turned into a role player this year (at least, with us he was). Maybe he'll work it out in Phoenix, I hope so, I actually like the Suns.

[dallaslonghorn]

Lol, if Howard goes down with an injury, we're screwed, anyway. With or without the trade.

And as for Vince shooting 47%, that's because he has turned into a role player this year (at least, with us he was). Maybe he'll work it out in Phoenix, I hope so, I actually like the Suns.

Yea ... people are on here acting like that Gortat playing more than 8-10 minutes a game wouldn't screw Orlando regardless. Dwight HAS to play 40+ minutes in an ECF if they are doing anything.

[MrUnstopable]

wow Hedo is great in this system..... :wtf:

[ATL_Bball_King]

The X-Factor is Gilbert...If he can get close back to Agent zero...Now Agent 1, then Magic will be contenders...He needs to get his assists up with Howard...This is the only way they will go anywhere...