"Black Teens Assault Pregnant White Teen" (Video)

[AirTupac]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eeMhixTPhU&feature=player_embedded


This video disgusts me and so do the comments. I felt like coming on the bus and smacking some sense into these criminals (the teens assaulting the chick listening to her ipod). I'm shocked that no one other than her boyfriend stood up and took some action.

I was speechless while watching this video.


http://img.youtube.com/vi/4sWgtGdl7KQ/0.jpg

[oh the horror]

Im not even going to bother to read the comments.


I wish sometimes we could locate the people leaving these outrageously racist remarks, and throw them on national TV for interviews asking them about their comments. My bet is, most of these jackasses wouldnt have the balls to repeat their comments, and you'd see most of them backpeddling.


Racist remarks rampant all over the internet makes me truly wonder what people think to themselves when I walk into a place...and im one of the only hispanics there.

[rezznor]

i don't condone a man ever putting his hands on a woman, but that one b1tch that kept kicking the dude in the head needs a good backhand to the face.

[AirTupac]

Im not even going to bother to read the comments.


I wish sometimes we could locate the people leaving these outrageously racist remarks, and throw them on national TV for interviews asking them about their comments. My bet is, most of these jackasses wouldnt have the balls to repeat their comments, and you'd see most of them backpeddling.


Racist remarks rampant all over the internet makes me truly wonder what people think to themselves when I walk into a place...and im one of the only hispanics there.

The worst part is that those same racist comments are the ones at the top of the list being "thumbs'd up" 50+ times.

[AirTupac]

i don't condone a man ever putting his hands on a woman, but that one ***** that kept kicking the dude in the head needs a good backhand to the face.

That's exactly what i was thinking.

[oh the horror]

The worst part is that those same racist comments are the ones at the top of the list being "thumbs'd up" 50+ times.



Its infuriating to me. I do not doubt for a second that people walk around with these foul thoughts in their minds all the time.


What gets me, is some of the whites leaving the comments with their holier than thou attitudes as if there arent situations where whites come off as ignorant and violent. Jesus christ, do these people even know about most of their ancestors and their history?


Im tired of this attitude people take on about their own races. EVERY fu*king color has their ignorant members....white trash, n!ggas...sp!cs, beaners, ch!nks, etc.


I dont even bother leaving comments that try to defer people from their racist ramblings on youtube, but they REALLY need some type of moderating going on there, because im tired of reading the blatant racism on there.


Christ...I remember clicking on a music video....it was some oldschool funk...dont remember which song now, but i remember it was great music, and then you had people leaving comments talking about how it was "monkey music" Wtf??

[iamgine]

Who wants to get involved in some high school drama and then get sued? The system isn't set up for heroes. I'd just call the police and testify if it comes to that. They have clear video evidence, what else do you need?

[AirTupac]

Its infuriating to me. I do not doubt for a second that people walk around with these foul thoughts in their minds all the time.


What gets me, is some of the whites leaving the comments with their holier than thou attitudes as if there arent situations where whites come off as ignorant and violent. Jesus christ, do these people even know about most of their ancestors and their history?


Im tired of this attitude people take on about their own races. EVERY fu*king color has their ignorant members....white trash, n!ggas...sp!cs, beaners, ch!nks, etc.


I dont even bother leaving comments that try to defer people from their racist ramblings on youtube, but they REALLY need some type of moderating going on there, because im tired of reading the blatant racism on there.


Christ...I remember clicking on a music video....it was some oldschool funk...dont remember which song now, but i remember it was great music, and then you had people leaving comments talking about how it was "monkey music" Wtf??

That has happened to me countless times. Watching a Tupac Video / Watching soccer clips / basketball clips / News / History. Anything. It's sickening.

[oh the horror]

Who wants to get involved in some high school drama and then get sued? The system isn't set up for heroes. I'd just call the police and testify if it comes to that. They have clear video evidence, what else do you need?



We need YOU be to be a hero Iamgine. YOU need to rise up, and lead humanity to a new level of prosperity. Dont be afraid to defend people's rights!

[Captain Kirk]

Im not even going to bother to read the comments.


I wish sometimes we could locate the people leaving these outrageously racist remarks, and throw them on national TV for interviews asking them about their comments. My bet is, most of these jackasses wouldnt have the balls to repeat their comments, and you'd see most of them backpeddling.


Racist remarks rampant all over the internet makes me truly wonder what people think to themselves when I walk into a place...and im one of the only hispanics there.


Funny because I was just thinking to myself the other day that I doubt there is a place filled with more ignorance than the comment section of Youtube. I was watching a video about the Dream Act not passing and people basically celebrate, as if Mexicans are the only immigrants that come to this country wanting something better. Pure ignorance.

[MrJohnWall]

Title is misleading, Girls is obviously of Mexican descent
But they want to make it a black and white thing

Her boyfriend wasnt innoncent either, They were accusing him of stealing her iphone
And he wasnt even denying it

[AirTupac]

Title is misleading, Girls is obviously of Mexican descent
But they want to make it a black and white thing

Her boyfriend wasnt innoncent either, They were accusing him of stealing her iphone
And he wasnt even denying it

I didn't know what to name it, so i just copied the youtube title. But from what i saw, the girl enters the bus, sees the chick listening to her ipod and literally takes it away from her lap. Maybe her boyfriend took it so they would give the ipod back?

[Captain Kirk]

I didn't even watch the video. Too much of this stuff, just pure ignorance. It's too easy to hate humanity and I don't want anymore reasons.

[PHX_Phan]

YouTube comments don't bother me as much, because I know most of the people on the other end are kids who say and do a lot of things they will later regret in life.

What bothers me is when you see a politician or other similar public figure making very questionable and sometimes flat out insensitive and racist remarks, and adults who are supposedly educated and informed rally to defend them. When seemingly well-thought-out and intelligent individuals fail to see the prejudices that control every part of their thought process it really brings you down to the reality that it will never come to an end.

[DeronMillsap]

Disgusting hoodrats.... :rolleyes:

[oh the horror]

YouTube comments don't bother me as much, because I know most of the people on the other end are kids who say and do a lot of things they will later regret in life.

What bothers me is when you see a politician or other similar public figure making very questionable and sometimes flat out insensitive and racist remarks, and adults who are supposedly educated and informed rally to defend them. When seemingly well-thought-out and intelligent individuals fail to see the prejudices that control every part of their thought process it really brings you down to the reality that it will never come to an end.


Ive been of the opinion for a long time now, that if people could get away with it....they'd revert back to the days of lynching people from trees out of hatred.


Racism is alive and just as strong as it ever was....but...the difference now, is that it isnt "socially acceptable" anymore, so people keep it to themselves.

[StillKill24]

why do black chicks always want to fight and act like they're men? :lol

[CMsam]

Racism is alive and just as strong as it ever was....but...the difference now, is that it isnt "socially acceptable" anymore, so people keep it to themselves.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_TeI_wOA62NQ/SREc_VZESQI/AAAAAAAAAEo/92VkyPIWZUY/s400/President+Obama.jpg

Oh, totally.

We all know how open and public those voting booths are :rolleyes:

[CMsam]

why do black chicks always want to fight and act like they're men? :lol


This applies to women of all races, but: those who cannot attract attention with beauty or brains, do it by acting obnoxious.

[StillKill24]

This applies to women of all races, but: those who cannot attract attention with beauty or brains, do it by acting obnoxious.
that makes sense, but still i have never seen a ugly white chick act like this.

[CMsam]

Honestly tho, how strict do you think those girls' parents are? How involved in their lives? How educated and mannered? How many books do you think their parents ever put in their hands as kids?

It is NOT racist to point out - with dismay - how rampant this type of upbringing is in ANY community, even if that community is BLACK.

One of the problems is that so many people are sitting right there on the edge of their seats and say that it IS racist to be critical of minority communities if you are not a minority (or many times even if you are).

It's a ****ing disgrace. Every news outlet should be covering this, with a banner running across the bottom of the screen saying ATTENTION EVERYONE, WE NEED TO PAY MORE ATTENTION TO THIS SHIT. Because the truth is since nobody can say anything because of the pressure of race-card-players, the problems just get worse. I remember a couple years ago reading an article that cited statistics that the current generation of black youth is actually on track to be the first generation of any race in all of history to actually be worse off than their parents.

And of course we currently rock our open border policy which doesn't help matters either. Another issue that only "racists" have problems with tho :rolleyes:

The problem is that most people who aren't on the extreme end of being racially insulting and patronizing, are on the exact opposite end, where they don't have the guts, or heart, or balls or whatever to actually ADMIT there just might be a problem in some communities. "don't wanna be insensitive, omgz!" They'd rather just let things slowly get out of control than actually speak out about a sensitive issue and risk being painted in a bad light by people who DONT EVEN MATTER.

not a very well organized rant, but "oh the horror" got me started with the fact that he thinks the biggest problem with this video is the comments.

[Lebron23]

How old are these kids? They need some good parenting.

By the way those rude chicks are a bunch of bullies.

[CMsam]

How old are these kids? They need some good parenting.

By the way those rude chicks are a bunch of bullies.

THIS IS WHAT IM SAYING.

But our problem is that nobody can say anything these days. In yester year, there was social pressure on people to live up to certain standards that promoted the community as a whole. Of course not all the philosophies and beliefs were perfect, but instead of correcting and improving, we're just going in an opposite but equally shitty direction.

Nobody is allowed to be critical of the way anyone does anything anymore. Gonna go out and have 8 keeyids with 5 different baby daddy's who are gonna be in jail within a year? Ok! I can't say anything, because, you know, that'd be racist. Not gonna pay attention to yo keeyids, teach them to read, teach them manners, keep them disciplined??? Ok! America can't say anything, because ACLU will be up our ass with a lawsuit and Al Sharpton will have every person of color in the country boycotting whatever company we work for.

We're just letting standards evaporate. If you think it's bad now, this is like the first generation of it being really bad. Wait until THIS generation doubles. "This ship be sinkin" guys. Not because we have different kinds of people in the country. But because we're afraid to be honest with them.

[rezznor]

Honestly tho, how strict do you think those girls' parents are? How involved in their lives? How educated and mannered? How many books do you think their parents ever put in their hands as kids?

It is NOT racist to point out - with dismay - how rampant this type of upbringing is in ANY community, even if that community is BLACK.

One of the problems is that so many people are sitting right there on the edge of their seats and say that it IS racist to be critical of minority communities if you are not a minority (or many times even if you are).

It's a ****ing disgrace. Every news outlet should be covering this, with a banner running across the bottom of the screen saying ATTENTION EVERYONE, WE NEED TO PAY MORE ATTENTION TO THIS SHIT. Because the truth is since nobody can say anything because of the pressure of race-card-players, the problems just get worse. I remember a couple years ago reading an article that cited statistics that the current generation of black youth is actually on track to be the first generation of any race in all of history to actually be worse off than their parents.

And of course we currently rock our open border policy which doesn't help matters either. Another issue that only "racists" have problems with tho :rolleyes:

The problem is that most people who aren't on the extreme end of being racially insulting and patronizing, are on the exact opposite end, where they don't have the guts, or heart, or balls or whatever to actually ADMIT there just might be a problem in some communities. "don't wanna be insensitive, omgz!" They'd rather just let things slowly get out of control than actually speak out about a sensitive issue and risk being painted in a bad light by people who DONT EVEN MATTER.

not a very well organized rant, but "oh the horror" got me started with the fact that he thinks the biggest problem with this video is the comments.


and then when someone like bill cosby points these facts out his own community hates on him :banghead:

[Lebron23]

Honestly tho, how strict do you think those girls' parents are? How involved in their lives? How educated and mannered? How many books do you think their parents ever put in their hands as kids?

It is NOT racist to point out - with dismay - how rampant this type of upbringing is in ANY community, even if that community is BLACK.

One of the problems is that so many people are sitting right there on the edge of their seats and say that it IS racist to be critical of minority communities if you are not a minority (or many times even if you are).

It's a ****ing disgrace. Every news outlet should be covering this, with a banner running across the bottom of the screen saying ATTENTION EVERYONE, WE NEED TO PAY MORE ATTENTION TO THIS SHIT. Because the truth is since nobody can say anything because of the pressure of race-card-players, the problems just get worse. I remember a couple years ago reading an article that cited statistics that the current generation of black youth is actually on track to be the first generation of any race in all of history to actually be worse off than their parents.

And of course we currently rock our open border policy which doesn't help matters either. Another issue that only "racists" have problems with tho :rolleyes:

The problem is that most people who aren't on the extreme end of being racially insulting and patronizing, are on the exact opposite end, where they don't have the guts, or heart, or balls or whatever to actually ADMIT there just might be a problem in some communities. "don't wanna be insensitive, omgz!" They'd rather just let things slowly get out of control than actually speak out about a sensitive issue and risk being painted in a bad light by people who DONT EVEN MATTER.

not a very well organized rant, but "oh the horror" got me started with the fact that he thinks the biggest problem with this video is the comments.

I'll rep you later.

[CMsam]

A big part of the problem is that fighting over race draws a lot more attention, and viewers, and "ratings" than solving problems about race. So we end up with coverage that just incites bickering on both sides, but does nothing to solve the problem. I'm not blaming "the media" because the media is just a reflection of the will of the people. The media makes money by covering what the public has already shown time and again that it wants to see.

Of course, even if someone outside the media tries to do something about it, the only coverage it will get is the negative reactions, becuase that will spark more negative reactions, and boom! Ratings are up!

We have this amazing tool that is the internet that allows people to communicate on a grassroots level, no matter where they are or what time it is. Hopefully it can be used to get some serious dialogue going. Cuz seriously, THIS IS BAD. I know the things that happened in the video can happen in ANY community, but let's be honest. There are some communities where it would be the exception, and some where it is the norm. I for one, DO NOT WANT IT TO BE THE NORM. And I am happy to say so, and I don't care who wants to label me. Whoever does is a one-trick pony, and that one trick aint intelligence.

[Disaprine]

those comments on top. :facepalm

that bitch trying to kick him from behind. :lol

[MrJohnWall]

lol @ the cracker who left the last rep in my box

Get mad fakkit :oldlol:

[Pasty Kobe]

stealin ass crusty ass niga bish

[Rosie Cheeks]

The assault isn't whats important(unless the victim wasn't white) what's important is that we focus on the racist comments. White people deserve to be beaten


































I have no friends or life and everyday I contemplate killing myself because I'm so worthless.

[IcanzIIravor]

and then when someone like bill cosby points these facts out his own community hates on him :banghead:

Bill Cosby's hypocrisy is what led to a lot of the anger at his comments.

[rezznor]

Bill Cosby's hypocrisy is what led to a lot of the anger at his comments.
what was the hypocrisy? i thought he was calling out the community to take ownership of the problems they face and to start with the family?

[New York Knicks]

what was the hypocrisy? i thought he was calling out the community to take ownership of the problems they face and to start with the family?
Exactly. Cosby spoke at a lot of schools. He does nothing but try to help. But Black people just look at him as the enemy. Can't help people that don't wanna be helped.

[G-Funk]

I never hit a woman,nah! But i'll slap the shyt out of a B****!

[Lebron23]

I never hit a woman,nah! But i'll slap the shyt out of a *****!

:applause: :applause: :applause:

[Go Getter]

what was the hypocrisy? i thought he was calling out the community to take ownership of the problems they face and to start with the family?


Bill Cosby was being hypocritical because while blacks were being hosed down, beaten, and oppressed and other black comics like Dolomite and Paul Mooney were on the front lines he was peddling pudding pops.

Now I understand he wanted to be non contraversial and stay within the limits of good clean comedy at the time which is cool. BUt don't you think it's a little shady to talk shit about your people right after YOU YOURSELF have multiple cases for sexual misconduct?

Bill was trying to divert attention from his own misdeeds.

And at any rate, his agenda was thinly veiled.

Everyone in the black community knows we need to do better (well, everyone that counts)...give some solutions....don't just go rambling on like an old bitter man.

Some of the stuff he said was all good, but a lot of it was spoken like a man very far from the everyday struggle of blacks.

[Go Getter]

Exactly. Cosby spoke at a lot of schools. He does nothing but try to help. But Black people just look at him as the enemy. Can't help people that don't wanna be helped.


Did he try to help those women he sexually abused?

He is a hypocrite because he is talking or was talking about the fabric of the black community and families and such and he not only cheated on his wife but abused the women he cheated with.

And his town hall meeting forums started right around that time...I wonder why....

[CMsam]

Did he try to help those women he sexually abused?

He is a hypocrite because he is talking or was talking about the fabric of the black community and families and such and he not only cheated on his wife but abused the women he cheated with.

And his town hall meeting forums started right around that time...I wonder why....


Ok, so what you're saying is....because Cosby wasn't perfect, that hollows any attempt he makes at trying to improve communities? I believe Martin Luther King, Jr. had affairs. Shall we eviscerate his legacy?

Of course he made mistakes, everyone does. That does not negate the meaning of his message. This is another example of the big picture vs. small picture dichotomy that is being viewed with increasing astigmatism. Look how many people in this thread found the most outrageous thing about this Youtube video to be the comments. Hey, comments are free speech, no matter how vile and distasteful. Stealing an ipod and then kicking someone in the head are NOT protected rights so far as I understand it. Yet, nobody wants to discuss the environment that's producing those actions because they're afraid someone inevitably will jump out the woodwork yelling RAAAAACEE!!!!!! So let's just make it about meaningless inflammatory comments from rednecks instead. Avoid the big picture because either you're too stupid to see it or too afraid to accept it, and just focus on the little picture about who hurt who's wittle feewing. That's pansy stuff. That's scared little whiny stuff from people who are not men and not leaders.

[Go Getter]

Ok, so what you're saying is....because Cosby wasn't perfect, that hollows any attempt he makes at trying to improve communities? I believe Martin Luther King, Jr. had affairs. Shall we eviscerate his legacy?

Of course he made mistakes, everyone does. That does not negate the meaning of his message. This is another example of the big picture vs. small picture dichotomy that is being viewed with increasing astigmatism. Look how many people in this thread found the most outrageous thing about this Youtube video to be the comments. Hey, comments are free speech, no matter how vile and distasteful. Stealing an ipod and then kicking someone in the head are NOT protected rights so far as I understand it. Yet, nobody wants to discuss the environment that's producing those actions because they're afraid someone inevitably will jump out the woodwork yelling RAAAAACEE!!!!!! So let's just make it about meaningless inflammatory comments from rednecks instead. Avoid the big picture because either you're too stupid to see it or too afraid to accept it, and just focus on the little picture about who hurt who's wittle feewing. That's pansy stuff. That's scared little whiny stuff from people who are not men and not leaders.


Calm down.

The point is that Bill is NOT a leader.

HE offered no solutions.


HE just pretty much came out with an old Uncle Rukus rant about how everything is messed up.

Okay.

Family values and work ethic are being throw to the wayside.

Our children are becoming more and more attracted to this "anit-culture" of the hood and less and less attracted to school work and community action and taking pride in themselves in a healthy way.

Tell me, how does one stop that? How do you, or Mr. Cosby intend on helping?

Because talking down to people in that situation hardly ever helps.

I help out. I volunteer. I donate food and clothing. I do not commit crimes or promote violence. I take care of my kid so he will hopefully be an asset to society and not a detriment.

But I do so all year round, not just when I'm in trouble to divert attention from what I did wrong.

Blacks are doing MUCh better than they were in the 60's & 70's.

I wonder why Bill never said much about his brothers and sisters getting abused then, yet he has so much to say now?

Commenting on his motives does not mean I do not have morals or that I don't see the big picture. I can understand that the black community needs much improvement while still thinking that Cos is a weasel....listen to his comments...some of them are totally useless...one that I remember specifically was about expensive gym shoes...."well Bill, kids in the hood buy knock offs now, you're so out-of-touch man" lol

And, I think Oh the Horror's comments are the ones that have you so animated. Well stop and remember he said that this vid is sad, that EVERY race has people that do immoral things such as this, but it was the racist comments that stood out in his mind at the time.

What he said really didn't warrant the tangent you went off on imo.

[rezznor]

Bill Cosby was being hypocritical because while blacks were being hosed down, beaten, and oppressed and other black comics like Dolomite and Paul Mooney were on the front lines he was peddling pudding pops.

Now I understand he wanted to be non contraversial and stay within the limits of good clean comedy at the time which is cool. BUt don't you think it's a little shady to talk shit about your people right after YOU YOURSELF have multiple cases for sexual misconduct?

Bill was trying to divert attention from his own misdeeds.

And at any rate, his agenda was thinly veiled.

Everyone in the black community knows we need to do better (well, everyone that counts)...give some solutions....don't just go rambling on like an old bitter man.

Some of the stuff he said was all good, but a lot of it was spoken like a man very far from the everyday struggle of blacks.


i see. didn't know that. i always assumed that people thought of bill as an "uncle tom" so they didn't want to hear what he was saying, even if it was the truth.

[Go Getter]

i see. didn't know that. i always assumed that people thought of bill as an "uncle tom" so they didn't want to hear what he was saying, even if it was the truth.


He is thought of an uncle tom as well but mostly in my eyes because he didn't want to step up and say anything when blacks were being grossly oppressed, but after he made all his money and stopped being in the limelight he wants to bash blacks at every opportunity.

And it's not only what he said but HOW he said it.

I mean we all know what the downfalls of the hood are....so after you break that down you need to start building ideas. I didn't hear any ideas. All I heard was ranting. Okay. We all rant about wanting better. But if you point the finger you'd better have some venerable solutions.

Where's the Cosby anit-gun program?
The proper health and nutrition seminars?
The literacy drive?
The town hall forums directed towards better gov't representation?
The "pride in your community" marches?

Actions...not words...that's what garners respect. Bill lost his because he cheated on one of the most respected black women in America....well not only because of that, but because every woman he cheated with called him an abusive scumbag as well.

It kind of seems like he is bitter at "hood cats" over his son's death.

[rezznor]

It kind of seems like he is bitter at "hood cats" over his son's death.

i may be mistaken but i think a russian guy was the one who killed his son.

come to think of it...does charlie z have an alibi?

[Quizno]

if you guys were in a position where a girl kept hitting you and you keep telling her to stop but she keeps doing it anyway, what would you do? obviously male or female, getting hit when someone's really trying to inflict some pain on you is gonna hurt, but would you swallow your pride and hit a female? i think i might have to, or at least grab her and physically force her to stop. that just annoyed me watching the guy in that video get hit, but i don't think he's a ***** for not retaliating.

[Go Getter]

i may be mistaken but i think a russian guy was the one who killed his son.

come to think of it...does charlie z have an alibi?


Maybe you are right. I think he is bitter over his son's death though.

At any rate, I think some of what he says is true, and other things aren't as simple as he made them out to be.

He is so far from the struggle of everyday people (& blacks) that he isn't relateable....well, by those who he needs to reach.

[Go Getter]

i see. didn't know that. i always assumed that people thought of bill as an "uncle tom" so they didn't want to hear what he was saying, even if it was the truth.


He was saying stuff like "black kids make too much noise in the store and speak too much slang."

and

"Black people need to stop buying fancy gymeshoes for $150.00"

:rolleyes:

Not exactly the manifesto of a revolutionary.

What killed me is that he was wrong....kids in the hood nowadays buy bootleg Jordans for $65.

[CMsam]

Calm down.

The point is that Bill is NOT a leader.

HE offered no solutions.

There are only so many steps one guy can take. The first one is to make a concerted effort to learn and THINK about issues for yourself. I believe Cosby did that. The next step an individual can take is to communicate, speak out and encourage others to think and feel the same way about the situation. And he did that as well. And I'm just venturing a guess but I think it's a safe bet that he's donated money to various causes that help out in the communities he's speaking about.

He can't legislate anything by himself and he can't MAKE anyone behave a certain way. But if enough people feel strongly enough and are vocal enough, collectively we might be able to. But everyone is too afraid or to dismissive to do it. Nobody says Cosby is perfect or that he hasn't been hypocritical. Nobody is perfect, and everyone is hypocritical. Still, the bottom line is that he at least made some form of an EFFORT to promote change/improvement and that separates him from the vast majority of people.




Family values and work ethic are being throw to the wayside.

Our children are becoming more and more attracted to this "anit-culture" of the hood and less and less attracted to school work and community action and taking pride in themselves in a healthy way.

Tell me, how does one stop that? How do you, or Mr. Cosby intend on helping?

So if Cos doesn't have an answer, he can't entertain the subject? Hey, I don't know what the answer is either but I'd sure like to discuss possible solutions, brainstorm, spitball, and the more people involved the better. Isn't that better than everyone who isn't perfect (i.e. everyone) sitting on their hands because they're afraid to broach the subject??




I help out. I volunteer. I donate food and clothing. I do not commit crimes or promote violence. I take care of my kid so he will hopefully be an asset to society and not a detriment.

But I do so all year round, not just when I'm in trouble to divert attention from what I did wrong.

That's excellent if you're being sincere, but I would dispute the accuracy of claim that Cosby only became an activist once he got caught with his hand in the cookie jar. He has a doctorate in education. When he was coming up as a comedian he was the ONLY black comedian who never invoked race into his act. In fact he said "A white person listens to my act and he laughs and he thinks, 'Yeah, that's the way I see it too.' Okay. He's white. I'm Negro. And we both see things the same way. That must mean that we are alike. Right? So I figure this way I'm doing as much for good race relations as the next guy."

I hardly think this guy suddenly began to care about stuff after he made mistakes that became public.




What he said really didn't warrant the tangent you went off on imo.

It wasn't a tangent directed at anyone and it wasn't offensive. It was also the way I honestly feel, so really it doesn't even matter what the relation was to his comments.

[CMsam]

Where's the Cosby anit-gun program?
The proper health and nutrition seminars?
The literacy drive?
The town hall forums directed towards better gov't representation?
The "pride in your community" marches?

Actions...not words...that's what garners respect. Bill lost his because he cheated on one of the most respected black women in America....well not only because of that, but because every woman he cheated with called him an abusive scumbag as well.

It kind of seems like he is bitter at "hood cats" over his son's death.

Dude, the addage is true that you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.

Throwing money at problems with seminars and new equipment and fancy facilities doesn't help, and money isn't always readily available anyway.

Sometimes the only thing you can do is TELL someone they need to get their damn act together, and explain what the consequences are. Seriously, what more can he do??? He's doing them a service by telling them what THEY can do to improve their situation, because honestly at some point if it doesn't change I think down the line legislation might have to be involved. The birth rate in these communities is absurd and the communities do not sustain themselves, but rely on increasing support from other communities. It's a lose-lose for everyone. But the people aren't changing. So what do we do? Sit here and fabricate stories about how evil rich white republicans are at fault for not ponying up MORE tax money to keep these communities afloat? I know that's the solution a lot of people here love to espouse, but that's not real. Teach the man to fish, don't keep phucking fishing for him.

[InspiredLebowski]

Good to see some pretty civil debate about this stuff. Being the whitest white boy you know I've made observations but never really, I don't know, had the balls I guess, to ask.

[CMsam]

if you guys were in a position where a girl kept hitting you and you keep telling her to stop but she keeps doing it anyway, what would you do? obviously male or female, getting hit when someone's really trying to inflict some pain on you is gonna hurt, but would you swallow your pride and hit a female? i think i might have to, or at least grab her and physically force her to stop. that just annoyed me watching the guy in that video get hit, but i don't think he's a ***** for not retaliating.


it would require no swallowing of pride, i would bust her face open.

[Go Getter]

Dude, the addage is true that you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.

Throwing money at problems with seminars and new equipment and fancy facilities doesn't help, and money isn't always readily available anyway.

Sometimes the only thing you can do is TELL someone they need to get their damn act together, and explain what the consequences are. Seriously, what more can he do??? He's doing them a service by telling them what THEY can do to improve their situation, because honestly at some point if it doesn't change I think down the line legislation might have to be involved. The birth rate in these communities is absurd and the communities do not sustain themselves, but rely on increasing support from other communities. It's a lose-lose for everyone. But the people aren't changing. So what do we do? Sit here and fabricate stories about how evil rich white republicans are at fault for not ponying up MORE tax money to keep these communities afloat? I know that's the solution a lot of people here love to espouse, but that's not real. Teach the man to fish, don't keep phucking fishing for him.


He hasn't led anything. No movement materialized. All his actions did was take the light away from his pending court cases.

The blame, when speaking on the ills of the black community is not always the kids. They inherit their circumstances. Part of the reason behind lack of pride in the community and self is economic oppression.

In Chicago for example, we are less than 50 years away from some pretty damaging and hurtful ideologies and situations.

Not saying that blame is not squarely upon the shoulders of those who are bringing our communities down, I just felt I needed to say that.

Bill did no one any favors.

Those kids know right from wrong, it's just that doing wrong seems, and often times ie, easier and more profitable.

We have to SHOW our children that doing things the right way might not always look cool or feel right at first, but it pays off in the long run.

The CRM is the shining beckon of what blacks can do if properly organized and motivated.

The knowledge and wanting is there, organization and proper leadership is not.

Bill has the brain, the knowledge, the time, and the recognition.

So, imo, he shouldn't half ass it...if you want to talk big then get out and back up your mouth.

Malcolm, Martin, Huey, and Marcus never talked down to the people they planned on leading. You have to know your audience.

*BTW, Cos' doctorates are all honorary...and I know throwing money at a problem doesn't help much, but organization and action do.

[AirTupac]

For some reason reason, i have a feeling Godwins law is going to play apart in this thread.

[Lebron23]

if you guys were in a position where a girl kept hitting you and you keep telling her to stop but she keeps doing it anyway, what would you do? obviously male or female, getting hit when someone's really trying to inflict some pain on you is gonna hurt, but would you swallow your pride and hit a female? i think i might have to, or at least grab her and physically force her to stop. that just annoyed me watching the guy in that video get hit, but i don't think he's a ***** for not retaliating.


:cheers:

[Captain Kirk]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUEu-pG1HWw

[Reef]

I can't believe that girl just snatched the Ipod right in front of the other girl like that. Like what the hell are you thinking?

By the way, I would've KTFO that bit.ch who was kicking that dude if I was him.

http://guidosblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/guidos-and-guidettes-snooki-getting-punched.gif

[AirTupac]

I'm glad i wasn't the only one who had feelings of punching that girl. I mean she repeatedly kicked him over and over again. I'd have exploded if it were me.

[Scoooter]

That chick was swinging from the ceiling. :wtf:

[rivers to gates]

They deserve any degrading name that comes their way.

Seriously, this is just another reason why most people dislike black women. They're the most obnoxious unfeminine kind of women that you will ever see.

This kind of attitude is typical of the black female community.

[Go Getter]

Lol (ok I'll bite)....this behavior is NOT typical of the black community.

I have over 20 years of living in the southside of Chicago as evidence.

What do you gauge your assertions on other than bias and bigotry?

[rivers to gates]

How old are these kids? They need some good parenting.

By the way those rude chicks are a bunch of bullies.

A bunch of bullies?

Why don't you just come out and call them meanies?

This goes beyond being bullies. It's the way those types of "women" are.

[rivers to gates]

Lol (ok I'll bite)....this behavior is NOT typical of the black community.

I have over 20 years of living in the southside of Chicago as evidence.

What do you gauge your assertions on other than bias and bigotry?

-Personal observations
-The News
-The high crime rate in relations to the black community
-Video's like the ones post by the OP
-Black women often display this type of masculine behavior

Who is to say that you're not biased?

Video's like this make it obvious why black women struggle to keep men.

[JimmyConway]

That guy in the hoodie is a solid dude. Although if that bitch was trying to kick me like that i would kill her with my bare hands immediately. no joke, i would fukcin go apeshit. What disgustingly horrible adolescents to do such a thing.

[Go Getter]

-Personal observations
-The News {Great Source of clear and unbiased info, lol}
-The high crime rate in relations to the black community {High crime rates are in poor areas of EVERY NATION}
-Video's like the ones post by the OP {There are vids of people of every race doing stupid and ignorant things}
-Black women often display this type of masculine behavior {There are masculine women of every race and if you cared to look at a broad scope of things, black women are actually very feminine as a whole}

Who is to say that you're not biased?

Video's like this make it obvious why black women struggle to keep men.

What would you know about a black woman keeping a man?

I remember reading your posts awhile back your schtick is pretty good, but not really on point.

If I were to attack the black community I'd give facts, contrasts, and comparisons using history as a guide or measuring stick.

But I'm logical (for the most part).

I think people don't really get what's going on in America, especially black America because they are so against anything that reseambles compassion and acceptance.

To truly know you as a person Mr. "RiverstoGates" I must accept that while you might have some opinons and beliefs and attributes that are different than me, that you are a human being such as I, worthy of respect and God given rights.

Forgive me for being so judgemental but I do not believe you grant blacks such favor.

I hear "the radical black side of things" as well and have to voice that while it may look like whites hate blacks, those are only certain whites and that most people are good.

I can tell that you have had very few dealings with blacks, and that some of your dealings have been negative.

However, coming from a very large black family and one of the most predominant black communities in America I can tell you that on a while black women are very, very feminine.

I know I cannot change your views but I just wanted to remind you that maybe your scope is not what it needs to be to make a judgment in this matter.

We are Americans, and whatever problems WE have, are problems that were born and bred right here, and are shared by the rest of the population.

There are plenty of cases of non black people fighting and brutally killing their peers....you choose to overlook that in this case because you have an issue with blacks.

Realize it.

[rivers to gates]

What would you know about a black woman keeping a man?

The increase of the IR relationships are happening for a reason and I do in fact have some black friends and they tell me about the materialistic head cases that black women are.


If I were to attack the black community I'd give facts, contrasts, and comparisons using history as a guide or measuring stick.

You can go find the stats about how blacks commit lots of crimes despite being a fairly small percentage of the American population.


However, coming from a very large black family and one of the most predominant black communities in America I can tell you that on a while black women are very, very feminine.

Not what most white men would call feminine. Where are all these feminine black women that you speak of? I never see them in the restaurants, the streets or well.... Anywhere.


There are plenty of cases of non black people fighting and brutally killing their peers....you choose to overlook that in this case because you have an issue with blacks.

The violent crimes tilt a lot higher in the favor of the black community. That's why. It doesn't have anything to do with overlooking crimes by white people.

[-playmaker-]

It might not be typical of black people but it is CERTAINLY more typical of black people when compared to whites, it would be extremely rare to see this kind of behavior with a group of white girls...(or asian girls, or arab, latino, ect)

and it's not racist to point that out, I don't see how anyone can deny it really...it just is what it is...these girls remind me EXACTLY of a group of black girls I went to school with...

and unless you grew up in like Maine or some shit where there are no black people, lol, I am sure almost everyone can relate, INCLUDING BLACK PEOPLE!!!

none of my black freinds would deny this being a more typical of blacks...they would laugh and say "yeah that's some hood b*tches for you dawg"...

[-playmaker-]

props to that dude though for just keeping it as civil as he possibly could...

wow and that b*tch just kicking at his head like that...

he just brushed it off and tried to ignore, knowing damn well he can't strike her...

[Go Getter]

It might not be typical of black people but it is CERTAINLY more typical of black people when compared to whites, it would be extremely rare to see this kind of behavior with a group of white girls...(or asian girls, or arab, latino, ect)

and it's not racist to point that out, I don't see how anyone can deny it really...it just is what it is...these girls remind me EXACTLY of a group of black girls I went to school with...

and unless you grew up in like Maine or some shit where there are no black people, lol, I am sure almost everyone can relate, INCLUDING BLACK PEOPLE!!!

none of my black freinds would deny this being a more typical of blacks...they would laugh and say "yeah that's some hood b*tches for you dawg"...


Brutality is brutality....doesn't matter what "flavor."

You didn't see that youtube vid of the white girls beating the one little girl for hours and leaving her to die? Have you watched the show Snapped?

You would think that shootings at schools would be more prevelant in black neighborhoods but white kids shoot up schools as well.

I live in a predominantly white area and the two most wanted men of the last few months are white....one killed a Sheriff and the other killed two prostitutes. Oh and let's talk about the mother who put her unborn kid in a bucket of cement after doing a home abortion....smh.

All of those sick things don't make me think whites are sick, it makes me think humans can be sick.

[Go Getter]

The increase of the IR relationships are happening for a reason and I do in fact have some black friends and they tell me about the materialistic head cases that black women are.



You can go find the stats about how blacks commit lots of crimes despite being a fairly small percentage of the American population.



Not what most white men would call feminine. Where are all these feminine black women that you speak of? I never see them in the restaurants, the streets or well.... Anywhere.



The violent crimes tilt a lot higher in the favor of the black community. That's why. It doesn't have anything to do with overlooking crimes by white people.
1.) Violent crimes are commited more by poor people with little to lose in every area of the earth.

2.) You and your "black friends" need to maybe up your social skills and keep a more positive outlook concerning others and maybe you will meet more positive black women. I know many married black women with degrees from top notch colleges that attend church every Sunday with the kindest of spirits.

3.) The increase of IR relationships is due to progressive thinking and a decrease in ways for racists to intimidate and hurt people. Is it really shocking that IR marriages and such would climb every decade since Jim Crow?

4.) Read any news publication (USA Today, TIME, NY Times) and you can find facts and articles dipicting the inequity of the US judicial system...I will agree that blacks need to do better and cut out the BS but I will not overlook the struggle that came with trying to assimilate into American culture.

[jbot]

good to see that guy stuck up for her. in that instance, i would definitely punch the shit outta a female if she smacked me like they did that dude.

[vinsane01]

Woah, I cant believe that dude kept his temper after that assault. If it was me, honestly, i think i'd punch back and probably regret it immediately after. I mean id been slapped by a girl before and i didnt retaliate. But who knows maybe the dude didnt feel much pain and his epinephrine levels didnt go off that much.

[rivers to gates]

1.) Violent crimes are commited more by poor people with little to lose in every area of the earth.

I'm tired of hearing this excuse. My parents grew up poor and they didn't commit violent crimes. Being poor is not an excuse to not use some common decency.


2.) You and your "black friends" need to maybe up your social skills and keep a more positive outlook concerning others and maybe you will meet more positive black women. I know many married black women with degrees from top notch colleges that attend church every Sunday with the kindest of spirits.

I'm concerned with reality and not trying to have some phony positive outlook. The country is in a downright terrible state right now and so there is no such thing as a positive outlook if you look at things realistically.


3.) The increase of IR relationships is due to progressive thinking and a decrease in ways for racists to intimidate and hurt people. Is it really shocking that IR marriages and such would climb every decade since Jim Crow?

http://www.diversityinc.com/article/7719/Interracial-Marriage-Which-Groups-Are-More-Likely-to-Wed/


Blacks

* Blacks are three times as likely to marry whites now than in 1980
* Nearly 14.4 percent of Black men and 6.5 percent of Black women are in mixed-race marriages




4.) Read any news publication (USA Today, TIME, NY Times) and you can find facts and articles dipicting the inequity of the US judicial system...I will agree that blacks need to do better and cut out the BS but I will not overlook the struggle that came with trying to assimilate into American culture.

Whites are FAR from flawless, but attitudes toward the black community could improve some if improvements were made. Making excuses like people being poor just doesn't cut it with me. Being born poor should help you build character and value things even more. Not make you likely to commit more crimes.

[alenleomessi]

whats wrong with the dude just sitting there and getting kicked in the head
i dont care if she is woman i would kick the living hell out of the bi*ch

[tpols]

Did he try to help those women he sexually abused?

He is a hypocrite because he is talking or was talking about the fabric of the black community and families and such and he not only cheated on his wife but abused the women he cheated with.

And his town hall meeting forums started right around that time...I wonder why....
Wait so if a person ever does something wrong in their life that nullifies all the good they try to do in the future? If Bill Cosby was/is trying to improve the lives of his people why should it be held against him because of his past misdeeds? Just because you speculate that he was only doing it for the sake of his own image? How do you know your assumption is right? Why can't he be doing it out of having a general care for his people?

Where's your evidence for such an outrageous claim? You're just drawing your own inferences which are in no way facts.



Exactly. Cosby spoke at a lot of schools. He does nothing but try to help. But Black people just look at him as the enemy. Can't help people that don't wanna be helped.

Wow spot on description of mr. black panther go getter here. Dude doesn't want to hear the problem's his own race is facing in this country because he's insecure about them... so he hates on the guy pointing them out smh.

[Zan Tabak]

i don't condone a man ever putting his hands on a woman, but that one b1tch that kept kicking the dude in the head needs a good backhand to the face.

For real. That b!tch needs a taste of reality.

Man strength ftw!

[beermonsteroo]

Probs to the guy for stepping up

[Meticode]

I don't know if the guy in the video was her brother or friend, but props to him protecting her while at the same time not getting physically involved with the nonsense and trying to calm it down.

It makes me sad. I used to see things like this all the time in Cincinnati on the Metro bus.

[Naruto-sama]

The worst part is that those same racist comments are the ones at the top of the list being "thumbs'd up" 50+ times.


it does seem racial. the most harmless looking white girl on the bus gets her ipod stolen by a gang of black girls who are looking to start something. i very much doubt anything would've happened to another black girl sitting on that seat listening to her ipod.

if the situations were reversed black people would be calling it a hate crime with Rev Al picketing. i don't know why people act like the inner city doesn't have a lot of unruly black kids, and yes, a LOT more than white kids doing that stuff. if you don't see it then you're blind or haven't ever lived in the city.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

Im not even going to bother to read the comments.


I wish sometimes we could locate the people leaving these outrageously racist remarks, and throw them on national TV for interviews asking them about their comments. My bet is, most of these jackasses wouldnt have the balls to repeat their comments, and you'd see most of them backpeddling.


Racist remarks rampant all over the internet makes me truly wonder what people think to themselves when I walk into a place...and im one of the only hispanics there.
Wow that would make for great tv..or even an internet show...cant be that hard for these computer nerds to locate the racists true identity making the comments.

[AirTupac]

Wow that would make for great tv..or even an internet show...cant be that hard for these computer nerds to locate the racists true identity making the comments.

I would pay to watch that.

[New York Knicks]

4.) Read any news publication (USA Today, TIME, NY Times) and you can find facts and articles dipicting the inequity of the US judicial system...I will agree that blacks need to do better and cut out the BS but I will not overlook the struggle that came with trying to assimilate into American culture.
I guess the other minorities didn't have to try to assimilate too right? Then why do Asians consistently rank among the highest in just about every statistic there is from test scores to income? I'm not even critical of all black people. I'm critical of just African-Americans. Actual immigrants from Africa do pretty well in this country.

[step_back]

Disgusting behaviour!

There are far too many people out there who don't want to aspire to anything then a common thug.

Sad society we live in.

[rezznor]

I guess the other minorities didn't have to try to assimilate too right? Then why do Asians consistently rank among the highest in just about every statistic there is from test scores to income? I'm not even critical of all black people. I'm critical of just African-Americans. Actual immigrants from Africa do pretty well in this country.

this.

[AirTupac]

Actual immigrants from Africa do pretty well in this country.

Very true.

[The Rock Bottom]

****ing dumbass ******s... :facepalm

[Nash]

Racism or not, what it all comes down to is that those kids destroy for the ambitious and honest black people.

[RandyOrton]

Hoodrats, these kids are making black people look bad. The dude was pretty composed the whole time, I'd be so tempted to knock a ***** if they try to jump my girl like that.

[Captain Kirk]

Actual immigrants from Africa do pretty well in this country.

African-Americans have no culture in this country. Their roots are only slavery and racism. Sure we are all individuals, but what can one expect for the future when the past is a horror show. When these kids are in school, they aren't taught about any of their African ancestors that were scientist and prosperous. They are taught about African-Americans, and how those individuals struggled to get somewhere in America. But rarely do they learn of anyone who has done anything more than struggle to fit-in with America rather strive to be more than just a citizen.

It isn't unexpected to me that this is the black-american behavior when you consider they have no names of their own, no roots outside of being against the wall, no country despite their ancestors working for free for five centuries to build America, and no face because all people see is their skin, whether your acting up on a bus or have your face in a book, you're the same to most of America...most of the world actually. Africans had nothing to pass down to their children after slavery; no property, no education, just horror stories and Christianity. Horror stories and Christianity. No wonder black people in America come off as having no sense.

I'm not defending ignorant people that happen to be black, I'm attacking this idea that all black people are naturally this way because they are black. I've heard many times from black historians who look at the present (or even way back, i.e. Malcolm) who say black people should leave America. And the more I learn about American history and African/Black history I'm beginning to agree. The problem is there is no home for the Black-American looking to start new without the savage image America has painted of the black person. Racism is as strong as ever because America will never fully admit to the horrors of slavery, never fully admit that this country owes something as a result of 500 years of free work. Yet we constantly get the "it was a long time ago, move on" argument or "the jews are doing just fine, why can't black people?" argument. And those make zero sense. That's like saying "well sure, your people were raped for a few centuries, so, Tyler Perry got raped and he's a black man doing just fine, what's your excuse." It really is like that. The world scorched the hell out of Germany for the Holocaust but America has basically received a free pass for slavery.

[-playmaker-]

African-Americans have no culture in this country. Their roots are only slavery and racism. Sure we are all individuals, but what can one expect for the future when the past is a horror show. When these kids are in school, they aren't taught about any of their African ancestors that were scientist and prosperous. They are taught about African-Americans, and how those individuals struggled to get somewhere in America. But rarely do they learn of anyone who has done anything more than struggle to fit-in with America rather strive to be more than just a citizen.

It isn't unexpected to me that this is the black-american behavior when you consider they have no names of their own, no roots outside of being against the wall, no country despite their ancestors working for free for five centuries to build America, and no face because all people see is their skin, whether your acting up on a bus or have your face in a book, you're the same to most of America...most of the world actually. Africans had nothing to pass down to their children after slavery; no property, no education, just horror stories and Christianity. Horror stories and Christianity. No wonder black people in America come off as having no sense.

I'm not defending ignorant people that happen to be black, I'm attacking this idea that all black people are naturally this way because they are black. I've heard many times from black historians who look at the present (or even way back, i.e. Malcolm) who say black people should leave America. And the more I learn about American history and African/Black history I'm beginning to agree. The problem is there is no home for the Black-American looking to start new without the savage image America has painted of the black person. Racism is as strong as ever because America will never fully admit to the horrors of slavery, never fully admit that this country owes something as a result of 500 years of free work. Yet we constantly get the "it was a long time ago, move on" argument or "the jews are doing just fine, why can't black people?" argument. And those make zero sense. That's like saying "well sure, your people were raped for a few centuries, so, Tyler Perry got raped and he's a black man doing just fine, what's your excuse." It really is like that. The world scorched the hell out of Germany for the Holocaust but America has basically received a free pass for slavery.
good post but I think when you ar dealing with kids that young it is much more a case of a lack of parenting...

and those girls will probably get knocked up real quick and spit out a dozen kids without knowing a damn thing about being a good parent themselves...which continues the cycle...

still a good post though...very valid points

[New York Knicks]

African-Americans have no culture in this country. Their roots are only slavery and racism. Sure we are all individuals, but what can one expect for the future when the past is a horror show. When these kids are in school, they aren't taught about any of their African ancestors that were scientist and prosperous. They are taught about African-Americans, and how those individuals struggled to get somewhere in America. But rarely do they learn of anyone who has done anything more than struggle to fit-in with America rather strive to be more than just a citizen.

It isn't unexpected to me that this is the black-american behavior when you consider they have no names of their own, no roots outside of being against the wall, no country despite their ancestors working for free for five centuries to build America, and no face because all people see is their skin, whether your acting up on a bus or have your face in a book, you're the same to most of America...most of the world actually. Africans had nothing to pass down to their children after slavery; no property, no education, just horror stories and Christianity. Horror stories and Christianity. No wonder black people in America come off as having no sense.

I'm not defending ignorant people that happen to be black, I'm attacking this idea that all black people are naturally this way because they are black. I've heard many times from black historians who look at the present (or even way back, i.e. Malcolm) who say black people should leave America. And the more I learn about American history and African/Black history I'm beginning to agree. The problem is there is no home for the Black-American looking to start new without the savage image America has painted of the black person. Racism is as strong as ever because America will never fully admit to the horrors of slavery, never fully admit that this country owes something as a result of 500 years of free work. Yet we constantly get the "it was a long time ago, move on" argument or "the jews are doing just fine, why can't black people?" argument. And those make zero sense. That's like saying "well sure, your people were raped for a few centuries, so, Tyler Perry got raped and he's a black man doing just fine, what's your excuse." It really is like that. The world scorched the hell out of Germany for the Holocaust but America has basically received a free pass for slavery.
So....when you look at overall test scores with blacks consistently dead last...it's because they were enslaved 300 years ago?
When you look at how many of them grow up fatherless, it's because of what happened 300 years ago?

Makes no sense to me. And the country is just enabling their behavior by making excuses for them. We have a black president for godsakes.

[-playmaker-]

Also just being YOUNG...

I have been to all-black clubs with my black buddies before without issue...

HOWEVER I can also remember going to all-black high school with some black buddies and having multiple dudes run up on me saying things like "say let me borrow that chain for a couple days homey!!!"..."let me try on that watch!"...

basically saying, "give me your shit white boy"...

and without my black freinds there to help get me out of that I would have gotten beat down...

anyone else been in a situation like that?


I have also been robbed at gun point by a group of black youngters...like 14-16 years old...no lie...I was in the f*ckin hood though...those little MFers weren't scared of shit...


"welcome to the ghetto...and this is the place

young n*ggas be throwin rocks up in your face!!!'

[pete's montreux]

Just be nice prime...say, "Sure you can borrow my watch, but only for a few minutes." or "Yes, you can use my bike, but bring it right back!"

[New York Knicks]

Also just being YOUNG...

I have been to all-black clubs with my black buddies before without issue...

HOWEVER I can also remember going to all-black high school with some black buddies and having multiple dudes run up on me saying things like "say let me borrow that chain for a couple days homey!!!"..."let me try on that watch!"...

basically saying, "give me your shit white boy"...

and without my black freinds there to help get me out of that I would have gotten beat down...

anyone else been in a situation like that?


I have also been robbed at gun point by a group of black youngters...like 14-16 years old...no lie...I was in the f*ckin hood though...those little MFers weren't scared of shit...


"welcome to the ghetto...and this is the place

young n*ggas be throwin rocks up in your face!!!'
Yup. I've walked down alleys and had bottles thrown at me. This type of behavior is encouraged in black communities. Look at their "civil rights leaders". They teach each other to hate the white man. These types of ideas are perpetuated in black communities. Look all through youtube. There's a lot of videos of black people pleading with their fellow black people to stop with the bullshit cause they're setting them back even further.

[-playmaker-]

Just be nice prime...say, "Sure you can borrow my watch, but only for a few minutes." or "Yes, you can use my bike, but bring it right back!"
:lol

what about "my grandmomma gave me that chain!"

[pete's montreux]

:lol

what about "my grandmomma gave me that chain!"

Well, just wait until Ice Cube comes around to knock the dude out with a loose brick. Then you can suckerpunch dude and take your chain back.

[-playmaker-]

Well, just wait until Ice Cube comes around to knock the dude out with a loose brick. Then you can suckerpunch dude and take your chain back.
I will dream it up more like it was the end of Training Day except instead of millions of dollars it is a gold chain...

I just shoot him in the ass and walk off like I'm the shit...



except instead of going home to my wife I go up stairs and nail Eva Mendez in the ass...


I like that better...lol

[Captain Kirk]

So....when you look at overall test scores with blacks consistently dead last...it's because they were enslaved 300 years ago?
When you look at how many of them grow up fatherless, it's because of what happened 300 years ago?

Makes no sense to me. And the country is just enabling their behavior by making excuses for them. We have a black president for godsakes.

You're not understanding that those test scores are reflective of the past. They come from uneducated backgrounds, yet are expected to perform on the same level as everyone else. One may suggest that plenty of immigrants come to this country and do well in school despite their parents not having had that same education. What they do have is cultural identity that says more than just "your people were slaves, then you were free, and you fought for equality, and now you're American, bam."

I'm not defending the individual choice to try and be a rapper rather than get an education first, but we can't ignore that the education they are given is one geared towards the American. Which is fine to an extent, until you see that this idea of American is someone white. Immigrants do it because they come here knowingly putting aside their own culture and history to learn of American culture and history. But then how does that work for the Black-American who is too far gone from Africa to be considered an Immigrant yet still not widely accepted as being apart of America. When it comes to American culture, black people have always been the entertainment. When it comes to American history black people are usually seen as victims and predators (sounds like an oxymoron but that's the way it is).

So what is one to do when they have no identity to choose from other than that which can be gained from conformity or self segregation (which oddly enough can lead to another type of conforming or worst, alienation). Not saying these kids think this way, but when I look at them, that's what I see, because no one is born of any way, but rather you come into a way.

[pete's montreux]

I will dream it up more like it was the end of Training Day except instead of millions of dollars it is a gold chain...

I just shoot him in the ass and walk off like I'm the shit...



except instead of going home to my wife I go up stairs and nail Eva Mendez in the ass...


I like that better...lol

I like Eva Mendez, but I think I'll take prime Nia Long in this situation.

[AirTupac]

It seems that only white people are full blooded Americans, everybody else has to have subnames, sub is the key word meaning below. African American, Native American, Asian American, etc. I understand that it is the 'politically correct' name or whatever, but it is essentially instilled into people and children that that they are different from "true" Americans. If they are American, they should simply be called Americans.

I remember reading an article about this and (forgive me if i am wrong) but isn't America the only country who has these types of sub names given to people?

[Captain Kirk]

I'll add I'm not yet smart enough to see a solution to this type of behavior though. I mean, sure, better parenting is a must, but look at their parents? Do we hope for the next generation to do better? No, because we see the "next" generation right here in this video.

The only good thing I've seen (which I can't find now) is that the latest census showed a decrease in the black population. And the smaller the numbers, the easier it should be to narrrow in on the problem. But really, if the problem is the country and it's history, then what can be done?

[New York Knicks]

You're not understanding that those test scores are reflective of the past. They come from uneducated backgrounds, yet are expected to perform on the same level as everyone else. One may suggest that plenty of immigrants come to this country and do well in school despite their parents not having had that same education. What they do have is cultural identity that says more than just "your people were slaves, then you were free, and you fought for equality, and now you're American, bam."

I'm not defending the individual choice to try and be a rapper rather than get an education first, but we can't ignore that the education they are given is one geared towards the American. Which is fine to an extent, until you see that this idea of American is someone white. Immigrants do it because they come here knowingly putting aside their own culture and history to learn of American culture and history. But then how does that work for the Black-American who is too far gone from Africa to be considered an Immigrant yet still not widely accepted as being apart of America. When it comes to American culture, black people have always been the entertainment. When it comes to American history black people are usually seen as victims and predators (sounds like an oxymoron but that's the way it is).

So what is one to do when they have no identity to choose from other than that which can be gained from conformity or self segregation (which oddly enough can lead to another type of conforming or worst, alienation). Not saying these kids think this way, but when I look at them, that's what I see, because no one is born of any way, but rather you come into a way.
No offense, but that sounds like a whole lot of excuses. Maybe the problem is the culture is based completely on excuses?

[Captain Kirk]

No offense, but that sounds like a whole lot of excuses. Maybe the problem is the culture is based completely on excuses?

Sure, it seems like an excuse when the change is dependent on America as a whole. The hardest change is usually the one most necessary. You want the easy option "black folk get off ya ass and be somebody", well that wouldn't change the fact they will always be viewed as lesser Americans just the way a Mexican is a lesser American and everyone else that doesn't have European blood is a lesser American. Face it, America is the world's top porn star. Great tits, legs, an ass to please all preferences, and the right amount of dirty and class. But some pretty ****ed up shit happen on the way to that mass appeal.

[PHX_Phan]

So....when you look at overall test scores with blacks consistently dead last...it's because they were enslaved 300 years ago?
When you look at how many of them grow up fatherless, it's because of what happened 300 years ago?

Where do you get 300 years ago?

[New York Knicks]

Sure, it seems like an excuse when the change is dependent on America as a whole. The hardest change is usually the one most necessary. You want the easy option "black folk get off ya ass and be somebody", well that wouldn't change the fact they will always be viewed as lesser Americans just the way a Mexican is a lesser American and everyone else that doesn't have European blood is a lesser American. Face it, America is the world's top porn star. Great tits, legs, an ass to please all preferences, and the right amount of dirty and class. But some pretty ****ed up shit happen on the way to that mass appeal.
Like I said, immigrants don't seem to have as hard a problem and some of them come in with nothing. Because they come in and put it on themselves. They won't make excuses. If they fail, they won't blame the system. The problem is black culture, TBH. Who cares what you think you're viewed as? Stop making excuses. Every time something doesn't go the way you want it you shouldn't just mail it in and regurgitate every excuse in the book. At some point people have to take responsibility for their own lives. The problem starts at home. You have uneducated, ignorant people giving birth to kids that become ignorant and uneducated. And I agree it's hard to break that cycle. And people giving them excuses doesn't help. But I have to keep pointing to the immigrants that came with even less. They have to learn the country's culture and language, etc...This isn't the old days. People that keep crying racism are ignorant. That's just an excuse to be lazy. And every time someone plays the race card it further divides the races in America.

[BRabbiT]

:lol

what about "my grandmomma gave me that chain!"



:lol






that video is fukced up. those broads are idiots.

[RandyOrton]

:lol






that video is fukced up. those broads are idiots.

dumb hoe hoodrats

[tpols]

People hate on those youtube comments but some of them are the truth(obviously not the really racist ones- those are just emotional reactions).

You won't find a bunch of teenage white girls squaking like that, having that 'oh no you didn't' type attitude, being cocky as hell, stealing people's shit as a group right in front of them because you feel like it, and then physically fighting like that. You can totally tell that white girl didn't want to fight but those black girls were throwing hooks left and right because they felt they were bigger, badder, and stronger than the white girl. They sense that passiveness white people have when they(the white people) approach them(they think that white people fear them) so they feel they can do whatever they want. They're at the bottom of the social ladder in this country though and for good reason...

[BRabbiT]

it's not just teens fighting on the bus. this chinese bitchh is crazy:lol

link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rm4SazjKsQ)

[BRabbiT]

I don't know if the guy in the video was her brother or friend, but props to him protecting her while at the same time not getting physically involved with the nonsense and trying to calm it down.

It makes me sad. I used to see things like this all the time in Cincinnati on the Metro bus.




[QUOTE]
Seattle

[Naruto-sama]

it's not just teens fighting on the bus. this chinese bitchh is crazy:lol

link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rm4SazjKsQ)


the black lady in this video provoked the chinese lady. did you not see it that way?

i wish we could see video of the police arresting these girls and how they reacted.

[AirTupac]

“Well, nobody hit her in the stomach.”


:(

I can only imagine how much smack they talked while getting arrested. Probably yelling / struggling to get away from the officers. Making tons of excuses why this isn't "fair". I hope one of the cops smacked them upside the head.

[AirTupac]

it's not just teens fighting on the bus. this chinese bitchh is crazy:lol

link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rm4SazjKsQ)

I want to shake hands with that young girl on the bus. At least she had the decency to try and do something instead of laughing at the situation and recording it.

[Patrick Chewing]

Can you imagine if that girl was Amber Lamps? Whole bus would have beat them girls down. Time would have stopped.

[PistonsFan#21]

[QUOTE=BRabbiT][B]

[New York Knicks]

This story clearly lacks information...those girls were in the wrong but i doubt they simply took the white girl's Ipod randomly just like that. One of the girls asked the guy why he stole the cellphone and he couldnt answer as if he was guilty.

i hate biased police reports like those :banghead: :mad:
LOL. There's a video of it. What more do you want? Right, black people commit crimes, get arrested, and it's the white man's fault. This is the message the black community is taught. Absurd.

[PistonsFan#21]

LOL. There's a video of it. What more do you want? Right, black people commit crimes, get arrested, and it's the white man's fault. This is the message the black community is taught. Absurd.

you're a fu*kin idiot. This video clearly doesnt show what happened before this. That black girl didnt randomly come in the bus and stole the ipod. They accused the boyfriend of stealing something before and he couldnt answer why he did it.

Also no one said its the white man's fault in that vid. I just said i hate biased police reports

[Captain Kirk]

Like I said, immigrants don't seem to have as hard a problem and some of them come in with nothing. Because they come in and put it on themselves. They won't make excuses. If they fail, they won't blame the system. The problem is black culture, TBH. Who cares what you think you're viewed as? Stop making excuses. Every time something doesn't go the way you want it you shouldn't just mail it in and regurgitate every excuse in the book. At some point people have to take responsibility for their own lives. The problem starts at home. You have uneducated, ignorant people giving birth to kids that become ignorant and uneducated. And I agree it's hard to break that cycle. And people giving them excuses doesn't help. But I have to keep pointing to the immigrants that came with even less. They have to learn the country's culture and language, etc...This isn't the old days. People that keep crying racism are ignorant. That's just an excuse to be lazy. And every time someone plays the race card it further divides the races in America.

You really don't get it. It's unfortunate because what you don't understand is a big part of the problem. I already touched on the situation involving immigrants. And you say the problem is black culture, further showing you really just don't understand because I already pointed out that Black Americans have no culture outside of their history of slavery and racism.

You want to blame the role the student takes and ignore the responsibility of the master.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUEu-pG1HWw

[-playmaker-]

Can you imagine if that girl was Amber Lamps? Whole bus would have beat them girls down. Time would have stopped.
had to look that up, I had never seen that before...

that old man beat the f*ck outta that dude...




man, just f*ck riding a bus in general...lol

[JustinJDW]

I don't care if you're black, white, a guy or girl, green, red, blue or a ****ing alien, I'll be damned if I'm just gonna stand there while three people throw punches at me and my pregnant girlfriend and steal my shit from my pockets while some jackass is swinging from the ceiling kicking me in the damn head. I would have told them to stop once, maybe twice, then that's it. Self-defense.

I would have exploded mega-hard and would be swinging haymakers all over the place, and would have definitely made sure that kicking ***** got a mad uppercut that sends her ghetto ass straight through the roof where she was swinging from.

Crazy *******. And the crazy part is that I'm only exaggerating a little bit.

[HAL9000]

Look, I get it that my stand on the situation might be considered non-chivalry or not worthy of a gentleman, but to be honest I'd kick the sh*t out of those girls. It's like a pack of stupid-ass monkeys (no racist statement intended, monkeys just sometimes like to engage in dumb jumping around like that) on high, looking for every opportunity to be a runner-up for the Darwin award. Besides, you don't have to knock them out cold, one mild punch or twisting the wrists and it's all over - as soon as they see there's no f*cking around with you they'll run away scared.

Look at it this way - how immensely intellectually-impaired do you have to be to steal someone's iPod ON THE FREAKIN' PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION with all the people around you and then act like retarded animals jumping around and hitting your victim, while having a significant advantage in numbers? If I was on that bus they would be begging the driver to stop and open the door so that they can run as far as they can.

[-playmaker-]

Investigators say the 19-year-old, Ayana Sharee Cain, was charged with assault and has since bailed out of jail. The other four girls were charged in juvenile court with second degree robbery. Three remain in custody while the fourth is on electronic home monitoring, police say.

All five suspects have prior arrests, authorities add.
it should make everyone feel a little better to know that these girls will likely have very miserable lives...it would take a miracle for them to end up living out a happy respectable happy life...

they are garbage, and there are some people that can grow out of that but it is very rare...



eventually they will come across a hood MFer that will beat the shit out of them and ass rape them while doing it...

[HAL9000]

it would take a miracle for them to end up living out a happy respectable happy life...

they are garbage, and there are some people that can grow out of that but it is very rare...


Exactly. Garbarge is garbage and stays garbage, no matter what race you are or what neighbourhood you've been living in. You can't get a 40 IQ points boost and good moral values and a sense of proper social interactions with a snap of your fingers, just like that. It's higly improbable.

[O.J A 6'4Mamba]

black folk 413 stand up

[Naruto-sama]

you're a fu*kin idiot. This video clearly doesnt show what happened before this. That black girl didnt randomly come in the bus and stole the ipod. They accused the boyfriend of stealing something before and he couldnt answer why he did it.

Also no one said its the white man's fault in that vid. I just said i hate biased police reports


i honestly took that as a completely blatant lie, that gave them a cover to rob these people with all of the other people on the bus watching. i've seen that before where someone will makeup something just so they can have a cover to with the people around who are watching. remember this is not a school bus, its a city bus with a bunch of random people. neither of them acted like they knew these girls at all throughout the whole thing or even knew anything about some cell phone. i wouldn't be surprised if this whole crew of ghetto girls had done this before. they were also with a 19 yr old which is very suspicious given their range of ages.

that boyfriend was such a ***** tho. your pregnant girlfriend just got her ipod stolen, getting beat on, then they're beating on you, and you just stand there and take it? give me a break with this never hit a girl crap, or even people here applauding him for it, you're all ******* then.

[Naruto-sama]

I don't care if you're black, white, a guy or girl, green, red, blue or a ****ing alien, I'll be damned if I'm just gonna stand there while three people throw punches at me and my pregnant girlfriend and steal my shit from my pockets while some jackass is swinging from the ceiling kicking me in the damn head. I would have told them to stop once, maybe twice, then that's it. Self-defense.

I would have exploded mega-hard and would be swinging haymakers all over the place, and would have definitely made sure that kicking ***** got a mad uppercut that sends her ghetto ass straight through the roof where she was swinging from.

Crazy *******. And the crazy part is that I'm only exaggerating a little bit.


exactly. i'm shocked any dude would take all of that especially when these girls were a bunch of midgets. and hitting your pregnant girl is way over the top which wouldn't even require 1 or 2 more hits before you start throwing.

that dude was a straight up sissy.

[Naruto-sama]

You really don't get it. It's unfortunate because what you don't understand is a big part of the problem. I already touched on the situation involving immigrants. And you say the problem is black culture, further showing you really just don't understand because I already pointed out that Black Americans have no culture outside of their history of slavery and racism.

You want to blame the role the student takes and ignore the responsibility of the master.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUEu-pG1HWw


wtf are you talking about? black people have more culture, more groups to fit in(there are more african american groups/clubs than there are for any other ethnicity by far), and a lot to be proud of than a lot of other ethnic groups. Hip hop came from American black culture, that almost every other ethnic teen these days tries to emulate.

you're the type of person he's talking about. you make excuses when YOU haven't ever experienced segregation. YOU weren't enslaved. YOU live in a much more equal opportunity country, and when you fail you make up these lame excuses of what your ancestors went through, but YOU yourself never did. its just such a lame excuse to fail because you never had to live in those times. you live in a time where EVERYBODY can do well in public schools, get a educations through the plethora of loans, grants, scholarships out there, and get a good job. i've seen it firsthand for a lot of people i grew up with so don't go talking like you have no chance in society today.

its just sad when people talk about what they never went through, like their ancestors pain and lack of opportunities is the same for them when its NOWHERE close these days. its so ignorant its sad when i hear black people talking like this. just all excuses for their lack of discipline or direction, can't blame themselves of course, must be slavery and segregation from 70 years ago :facepalm

[Reef]

This guy wouldn't have taken that abuse:

http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/9/9c/How_can_she_slap.gif

[drwax26]

The ignorance on this forum is laughable.:roll:

[Captain Kirk]

wtf are you talking about? black people have more culture, more groups to fit in(there are more african american groups/clubs than there are for any other ethnicity by far), and a lot to be proud of than a lot of other ethnic groups. Hip hop came from American black culture, that almost every other ethnic teen these days tries to emulate.

you're the type of person he's talking about. you make excuses when YOU haven't ever experienced segregation. YOU weren't enslaved. YOU live in a much more equal opportunity country, and when you fail you make up these lame excuses of what your ancestors went through, but YOU yourself never did. its just such a lame excuse to fail because you never had to live in those times. you live in a time where EVERYBODY can do well in public schools, get a educations through the plethora of loans, grants, scholarships out there, and get a good job. i've seen it firsthand for a lot of people i grew up with so don't go talking like you have no chance in society today.

its just sad when people talk about what they never went through, like their ancestors pain and lack of opportunities is the same for them when its NOWHERE close these days. its so ignorant its sad when i hear black people talking like this. just all excuses for their lack of discipline or direction, can't blame themselves of course, must be slavery and segregation from 70 years ago :facepalm

:roll: @ hip hop being a "culture" Black Americans can be proud of. Get real dude. You think Hip Hop comes into existence without the Black American's history in this country? Hip Hop isn't exactly something you past down through generations like the rich history of a bloodline, no, it's pop culture. You expect black children to be proud that they can learn about Grandmaster Flash and strive to be him? WTF? And you totally miss the point of anything I've said. I'm not even going to go through all the things you said and show you your errors because I'm tired of trying to make people see something that they choose to be blind to. We're talking about an entire ethnicity of people, not a specific group at a college looking to start a social club...:facepalm

[tpols]

:roll: @ hip hop being a "culture" Black Americans can be proud of. Get real dude. You think Hip Hop comes into existence without the Black American's history in this country? Hip Hop isn't exactly something you past down through generations like the rich history of a bloodline, no, it's pop culture. You expect black children to be proud that they can learn about Grandmaster Flash and strive to be him? WTF? And you totally miss the point of anything I've said. I'm not even going to go through all the things you said and show you your errors because I'm tired of trying to make people see something that they choose to be blind to. We're talking about an entire ethnicity of people, not a specific group at a college looking to start a social club...:facepalm
I really don't follow your whole 'no culture' argument for why blacks act the way they do. I'm a irish-polish american and I don't know anything about my 'culture.' I literally know nothing more about irish or polish history that any other person would know and my parents never instilled a pride in my culture. They just would punish the shit out of me if I did something wrong. How does culture play into not having good morals/being rude/not caring about other people?

It has nothing to do with the supposed lack of pride in their ancestry. IMO, it does however have to do with the circumstances in which their ancestors were brought up. Blacks were denied the means to succeed financially in this world up until just the past few generations(shit you can still make a case for today). They couldn't vote and they couldn't go to good schools or get a higher education and they couldn't make the same type of living as a white person. As a result of their easily visible collective financial deficit, they were forced to to live in shitty living environments in the cities where drugs run rampant and it furthered the socioeconomic problem even more.

I just don't buy this culture thing because the fact that I'm going to college right now and will have a good job doesn't come from my culture or pride in it(because my culture isn't one of the major identity characteristics in my life~and I realize this is not the case for asians, which New York Knicks brought up, who definitely are brought up in a distinct and respect oriented culture) but it comes from the fact that my parents can afford to send me to school and have instilled a certain motivation in me to succeed in it. My peers, or most of them anyways, are the same exact way and so we actually strive to do good things in this world. A lot of the inner city black kids though aren't motivated to succeed in school and are surrounded by kids who reinforce this attitude. Thats what I feel the problem is.

[jbot]

the 1st mistake was the youtube heading stating "black vs. white" as opposed to just something like "pregnant teen assaulted by other teens". you're automatically being set up to draw sides even b4 looking at the video.

[Captain Kirk]

I really don't follow your whole 'no culture' argument for why blacks act the way they do. I'm a irish-polish american and I don't know anything about my 'culture.' I literally know nothing more about irish or polish history that any other person would know and my parents never instilled a pride in my culture. They just would punish the shit out of me if I did something wrong. How does culture play into not having good morals/being rude/not caring about other people?

It has nothing to do with the supposed lack of pride in their ancestry. IMO, it does however have to do with the circumstances in which their ancestors were brought up. Blacks were denied the means to succeed financially in this world up until just the past few generations(shit you can still make a case for today). They couldn't vote and they couldn't go to good schools or get a higher education and they couldn't make the same type of living as a white person. As a result of their easily visible collective financial deficit, they were forced to to live in shitty living environments in the cities where drugs run rampant and it furthered the socioeconomic problem even more.

I just don't buy this culture thing because the fact that I'm going to college right now and will have a good job doesn't come from my culture or pride in it(because my culture isn't one of the major identity characteristics in my life~and I realize this is not the case for asians, which New York Knicks brought up, who definitely are brought up in a distinct and respect oriented culture) but it comes from the fact that my parents can afford to send me to school and have instilled a certain motivation in me to succeed in it. My peers, or most of them anyways, are the same exact way and so we actually strive to do good things in this world. A lot of the inner city black kids though aren't motivated to succeed in school and are surrounded by kids who reinforce this attitude. Thats what I feel the problem is.

The bold is exactly what I've been trying to make some others understand, but rather they misunderstood my use of the word culture. I brought up culture in reference to black children for a long time going to schools where they are expected to aspire to be like people they can't relate to other than being human. I pointed out that this isn't as a big a deal for immigrants because they know their roots (or at the least their parents or grandparents do, or at the very least they have roots to look up, a black person can only look so far before they get to the part where the slave owner hadn't given his family a name yet after they were stripped of their own) and come to this country understanding what they have to adjust to. But for a Black American, you almost have to do the same exact thing as an immigrant, except you're actually a natural born citizen, and your family has been here for generations.

I'm not upholding the ignorant actions we often see in these youtube videos, for ignorance is ignorance, no way around it. But there is a reason these children are this way and it has as much to do with history and circumstance as it has to do with bad character and a lack of common sense.

[Hawker]

Captain Kirk, good posts and you're correct on the whole ancestry/culture deal but I still don't believe that's an excuse. There's people that come from way worse that do alright in America.

[Naruto-sama]

:roll: @ hip hop being a "culture" Black Americans can be proud of. Get real dude. You think Hip Hop comes into existence without the Black American's history in this country? Hip Hop isn't exactly something you past down through generations like the rich history of a bloodline, no, it's pop culture. You expect black children to be proud that they can learn about Grandmaster Flash and strive to be him? WTF? And you totally miss the point of anything I've said. I'm not even going to go through all the things you said and show you your errors because I'm tired of trying to make people see something that they choose to be blind to. We're talking about an entire ethnicity of people, not a specific group at a college looking to start a social club...:facepalm


i very much doubt hip hop would've came about without black Americans, so yeah. and most kids today ARE trying to emulate what they think is cool, which i KNOW hip hop is a huge influence. my parents have azn channels in their comcast plan and you'd be shocked how much of Asia's youth has gone hip hop.

and in the REAL world we all live in kids don't grow up idolizing some ancestors from their culture, hell most non african american kids don't even care, i'm azn i don't even care that much or nearly as much as you seem to about my culture making me the person i am. i am who i am without my culture. i'm my own persona with my own role models that aren't based on my ethnicity. how do you get this idea in your mind your ethnicity's culture makes you? it sure as hell doesn't me.

i'm not insecure over that. its REALLY dumb to me how you pretend it makes you or gives you security to know who you are, when it has very little to do with the type of person you want to become. you use it as a copout, and it makes no sense whatsoever.

[tpols]

Captain Kirk, good posts and you're correct on the whole ancestry/culture deal but I still don't believe that's an excuse. There's people that come from way worse that do alright in America.
Like who? Asians? Other caucasian immigrants?

It's not the same. Those people come here from most likely shittier living conditions looking to make better lives for themselves. They have positive attitudes entering the country thinking their lives will improve. These create a certain 'motivation' to succeed.

A lot of inner city blacks on the other hand are born into the same crappy circumstances but they have no where to go. They don't see this country like immigrants aspiring for better lives do. They have no 'america' to go to. They see america for exactly what they were born into. Shit. They have no motivation to cooperate and try to succeed in this system. It creates an opposite reaction where they want to fight back. That is what we are seeing with blacks in this country(though obviously not all of them).

[Naruto-sama]

The bold is exactly what I've been trying to make some others understand, but rather they misunderstood my use of the word culture. I brought up culture in reference to black children for a long time going to schools where they are expected to aspire to be like people they can't relate to other than being human. I pointed out that this isn't as a big a deal for immigrants because they know their roots (or at the least their parents or grandparents do, or at the very least they have roots to look up, a black person can only look so far before they get to the part where the slave owner hadn't given his family a name yet after they were stripped of their own) and come to this country understanding what they have to adjust to. But for a Black American, you almost have to do the same exact thing as an immigrant, except you're actually a natural born citizen, and your family has been here for generations.

I'm not upholding the ignorant actions we often see in these youtube videos, for ignorance is ignorance, no way around it. But there is a reason these children are this way and it has as much to do with history and circumstance as it has to do with bad character and a lack of common sense.


that bolded part is complete BULLSHIT. i went to public schools, a lot of my black friends all went to public schools, more than a few became lawyers, and more than a few came from poor families. where you live today has VERY little relevance to your ability to succeed in America. its just such a lame copout to use 50-70 years ago woe is me to pretend you're so disadvantaged from succeding today. Today in America its a VERY opportunistic world. the kid at home playign video games all day, hanging on the street corner is going to make the excuses you made, but that african american using his opportunities to do well in school, apply for the plethora of scholarship/loans/grants out there can VERY EASILY succeed, just as much as the rich kid.

anyone who says otherwise doesn't have a clue, and just wants everyone to feel sorry for themselves. seen this firsthand and with way too many people for you all to pretend you can't make it just because of your ancestors, or not knowing your culture. lmao give me a damn break :facepalm

[Naruto-sama]

Like who? Asians? Other caucasian immigrants?

It's not the same. Those people come here from most likely shittier living conditions looking to make better lives for themselves. They have positive attitudes entering the country thinking their lives will improve. These create a certain 'motivation' to succeed.

A lot of inner city blacks on the other hand are born into the same crappy circumstances but they have no where to go. They don't see this country like immigrants aspiring for better lives do. They have no 'america' to go to. They see america for exactly what they were born into. Shit. They have no motivation to cooperate and try to succeed in this system. It creates an opposite reaction where they want to fight back. That is what we are seeing with blacks in this country(though obviously not all of them).


more like Americans just take America for granted.

meanwhile foreigners are desperately trying to come here and have the same opportunities we do.

you all can't keep painting it like its societies fault, there are SOOO SOOOOOOO many opportunities here if you're motivated to pursue them, but most Americans take it all for granted where as the immigrants know how limited opportunities are in other countries, and it makes them strive harder knowing how many there are in America.

stop the excuses. its gotten ridiculous at this point. America has changed a lot from the times of slavery. there are TONS of loans/grants/scholarships for the poor, especially if you're a minority if you apply for them. but most people want to sit on their ass hanging out playing video games, smoking weed, listening to music all day and then act like they have no chance to succeed blaming society.

[tpols]

i very much doubt hip hop would've came about without black Americans, so yeah. and most kids today ARE trying to emulate what they think is cool, which i KNOW hip hop is a huge influence. my parents have azn channels in their comcast plan and you'd be shocked how much of Asia's youth has gone hip hop.

and in the REAL world we all live in kids don't grow up idolizing some ancestors from their culture, hell most non african american kids don't even care, i'm azn i don't even care that much or nearly as much as you seem to about my culture making me the person i am. i am who i am without my culture. i'm my own persona with my own role models that aren't based on my ethnicity. how do you get this idea in your mind your ethnicity's culture makes you? it sure as hell doesn't me.

i'm not insecure over that. its REALLY dumb to me how you pretend it makes you or gives you security to know who you are, when it has very little to do with the type of person you want to become. you use it as a copout, and it makes no sense whatsoever.
I think you're misunderstanding him like I originally did.

He means that blacks in this country have grown up with a certain 'negative culture' where they have never been able to fully assimilate into society like other races have. This 'negative culture' which has roots in racism is in no way their fault and it really is just a product of white people discriminating and not letting them prosper. This created a socioeconomic problem where they were forced to live in poorly maintained cities, where drugs brought the condition to an all time low.

I don't think he meant 'culture' as in a lack of pride in one's heritage, but rather as in a way of describing how blacks have been treated while in this country and the after effects of it that we are seeing now.

[Captain Kirk]

Captain Kirk, good posts and you're correct on the whole ancestry/culture deal but I still don't believe that's an excuse. There's people that come from way worse that do alright in America.

I definitely don't think it's a good excuse. For the first 11 years of my life I was around drug addicts, drug dealers, and gangs, all this on an everyday basis. I've seen bullet holes appear on the wall next to my head as if it were a magic trick. And yet, I've never had any interest in joining a gang, doing/selling drugs, or anything of the nature in which I was forced to live in. It did have an effect on my education though, as even when I moved to a better neighborhood with better schools, even if I wanted to be I just wasn't on the same level as the other students because the schools I had been to where surrounded by all the before mentioned.

So while it's not a good excuse on an individual basis, since I myself can say I was able to go a different route, I think it is something to strongly consider, because every kid isn't going to be like me when put in the same situation. I have no idea why as a 7 or 8 year old I had this natural sense of good and bad despite being raised in a place the appear to have the two mixed up. But the way humanity is as a whole, I wouldn't put any child in that same situation and bet on them to make it out alive or without some warped sense of morality.

[tpols]

more like Americans just take America for granted.

meanwhile foreigners are desperately trying to come here and have the same opportunities we do.

you all can't keep painting it like its societies fault, there are SOOO SOOOOOOO many opportunities here if you're motivated to pursue them, but most Americans take it all for granted where as the immigrants know how limited opportunities are in other countries, and it makes them strive harder knowing how many there are in America.

stop the excuses. its gotten ridiculous at this point. America has changed a lot from the times of slavery. there are TONS of loans/grants/scholarships for the poor, especially if you're a minority if you apply for them. but most people want to sit on their ass hanging out playing video games, smoking weed, listening to music all day and then act like they have no chance to succeed blaming society.
Yes. They do take america for granted.

I take america for granted too and if you were born here you sure as hell do too in comparison to immigrating peoples looking for better lives. The only difference between inner city black people and you is that you were lucky enough to be born into a situation that allowed you to succeed.

Do you really think you're somehow better than them? Like you would've made it out successfully if you were in their situation? Give me a break.

Everything happens for a reason.

[Naruto-sama]

I think you're misunderstanding him like I originally did.

He means that blacks in this country have grown up with a certain 'negative culture' where they have never been able to fully assimilate into society like other races have. This 'negative culture' which has roots in racism is in no way their fault and it really is just a product of white people discriminating and not letting them prosper. This created a socioeconomic problem where they were forced to live in poorly maintained cities, where drugs brought the condition to an all time low.

I don't think he meant 'culture' as in a lack of pride in one's heritage, but rather as in a way of describing how blacks have been treated while in this country and the after effects of it that we are seeing now.

i just know for a FACT there are so many opportunities to succeed in America, more than most anywhere, that when people talk like they can't especially based on their race, it bothers me a LOT.

i BET if we did a case by case study, and could delve into a persons day to day life, there would be many more reasons why they weren't able to succeed having a lot less to do with socio economic conditions but more their own decisions and lack of discipline to succeed.

its just a lot easier to make excuses for why you can't, than to go out and do it.

[tpols]

i just know for a FACT there are so many opportunities to succeed in America, more than most anywhere, that when people talk like they can't especially based on their race, it bothers me a LOT.

i BET if we did a case by case study, and could delve into a persons day to day life, there would be many more reasons why they weren't able to succeed having a lot less to do with socio economic conditions but more their own decisions and lack of discipline to succeed.

its just a lot easier to make excuses for why you can't, than to go out and do it.
YOU know for a fact. That is YOUR viewpoint.

People in less fortunate circumstances have a much different outlook on life my friend.

[Naruto-sama]

Yes. They do take america for granted.

I take america for granted too and if you were born here you sure as hell do too in comparison to immigrating peoples looking for better lives. The only difference between inner city black people and you is that you were lucky enough to be born into a situation that allowed you to succeed.

Do you really think you're somehow better than them? Like you would've made it out successfully if you were in their situation? Give me a break.

Everything happens for a reason.


my parents were immigrants and our wealth had nothing to do with me getting an education(public school), getting decent grades, or going to college. its WAY more based on the way they raised me, and VERY LITTLE to do with us having more money than the ghetto kid. besides like i said i know poor black kids that have become lawyers or successful in other areas like sales, some not even going to college but finding a job where they excelled in the people talking aspect. hell you don't even have to be that smart to get a good job, if you're more a talker, theres a good chance you can do very well in sales, considering i know some very dumb book smart people who have done well that way. one is making like 150k/year being some disctrict manager for a cell phone company.

so i very much disagree with you. there are TONS of scholarships/loans/grants out there IF you apply for them so don't give me the 'i can't afford college excuse'. community college is like a couple hundred per class. even then theres always the military which will pretty much take anyone.

just so tired of hearing the excuses because there is way more opportunity in America than anywhere else, and this logic of ancestors being so crucial to your success is just ridiculously dumb to me.

[Naruto-sama]

YOU know for a fact. That is YOUR viewpoint.

People in less fortunate circumstances have a much different outlook on life my friend.


no its a FACT. you ever apply for scholarships/loans/grants as a minority?

i have so don't tell me i don't know. in fact i know many people who got money to go to college since their parents wouldn't pay it, but its really based on being proactive about it. they're definitely out there, its just most people are too lazy, don't believe they can get them, etc. and don't pursue them.

but its most definitely a FACT. especially these days.

[tpols]

my parents were immigrants and our wealth had nothing to do with me getting an education(public school), getting decent grades, or going to college. its WAY more based on the way they raised me, and VERY LITTLE to do with us having more money than the ghetto kid. besides like i said i know poor black kids that have become lawyers or successful in other areas like sales, some not even going to college but finding a job where they excelled in the people talking aspect. hell you don't even have to be that smart to get a good job, if you're more a talker, theres a good chance you can do very well in sales, considering i know some very dumb book smart people who have done well that way. one is making like 150k/year being some disctrict manager for a cell phone company.

so i very much disagree with you. there are TONS of scholarships/loans/grants out there IF you apply for them so don't give me the 'i can't afford college excuse'. community college is like a couple hundred per class. even then theres always the military which will pretty much take anyone.

just so tired of hearing the excuses because there is way more opportunity in America than anywhere else, and this logic of ancestors being so crucial to your success is just ridiculously dumb to me.
And if you read my posts you'd see that I said the way parents raise their kids is the most important part to them succeeding.

And as far as that goes for blacks have you seen the statistics for fatherless homes and births out of wedlock in the inner cities? Do you know what it's like to grow up in a situation like that where you have no true family to fall back on and motivate you? You don't and if you can't even put yourself in the shoes of someone else in that predicament while eliminating your own biased view point then you will never understand.

[Captain Kirk]

my parents were immigrants and our wealth had nothing to do with me getting an education(public school), getting decent grades, or going to college. its WAY more based on the way they raised me, and VERY LITTLE to do with us having more money than the ghetto kid. besides like i said i know poor black kids that have become lawyers or successful in other areas like sales, some not even going to college but finding a job where they excelled in the people talking aspect. hell you don't even have to be that smart to get a good job, if you're more a talker, theres a good chance you can do very well in sales, considering i know some very dumb book smart people who have done well that way. one is making like 150k/year being some disctrict manager for a cell phone company.

so i very much disagree with you. there are TONS of scholarships/loans/grants out there IF you apply for them so don't give me the 'i can't afford college excuse'. community college is like a couple hundred per class. even then theres always the military which will pretty much take anyone.

just so tired of hearing the excuses because there is way more opportunity in America than anywhere else, and this logic of ancestors being so crucial to your success is just ridiculously dumb to me.

We live in America, Dolla Bill Central, and you don't think the money has a lot to do with an individual's ability to succeed? The fact that you think that says you probably never had to wonder where money was going to come from in order for you to get an education or pay for things you wanted. No one is saying money or lack of culture (or rather lack of foundation within the culture) is the sole reason for where the average Black American is. But they play a tremendous part. You may not like that it does, but that doesn't make it something as simple as an excuse.

[Naruto-sama]

And if you read my posts you'd see that I said the way parents raise their kids is the most important part to them succeeding.

And as far as that goes for blacks have you seen the statistics for fatherless homes and births out of wedlock in the inner cities? Do you know what it's like to grow up in a situation like that where you have no true family to fall back on and motivate you? You don't and if you can't even put yourself in the shoes of someone else in that predicament without eliminating your own biased view point then you will never understand.


honestly i've seen a hell of a lot better single mothers and grandma's raising kids than your typical mom and dad family.

but keep making excuses, i'm definitely not buying into them.

[Naruto-sama]

We live in America, Dolla Bill Central, and you don't think the money has a lot to do with an individual's ability to succeed? The fact that you think that says you probably never had to wonder where money was going to come from in order for you to get an education or pay for things you wanted. No one is saying money or lack of culture (or rather lack of foundation within the culture) is the sole reason for where the average Black American is. But they play a tremendous part. You may not like that it does, but that doesn't make it something as simple as an excuse.


from a get educated standpoint there is very little money involved other than the college costs. if you're a minority its really not that hard to get scholarships/loans/grants. you just have to try and apply for them, you'd be surprised how easy it can be. especially if you can back up your parents income. even then the military will pay for your education after 2 years of service i believe.

other than that all i really needed was to bring a pen and notebook to public school which provided everything else.

[tpols]

honestly i've seen a hell of a lot better single mothers and grandma's raising kids than your typical mom and dad family.

but keep making excuses, i'm definitely not buying into them.
Keep ignoring the reasons behind why things happen and labeling them as excuses.:facepalm

The thing that kills me is you don't know how to truly put yourself in another person's shoes. You think it's just as simple as placing yourself in the type of environment you think a black inner city youth grows up in and saying 'oh well I would have done x, y, and z and been successful' but it's not. The problem is that your placing yourself in their shoes without taking away your current mindset of I can do this and that and make it out.

If I ask you the question, 'Do you think you could do any better if you were in there situation as a black youth?' you would just draw from your current life lessons and morals and say that you would succeed but if that were the case then how come most of them from those areas DONT succeed? Are you just better than everyone else?

[JustinJDW]

This guy wouldn't have taken that abuse:

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[Naruto-sama]

Keep ignoring the reasons behind why things happen and labeling them as excuses.:facepalm

The thing that kills me is you don't know how to truly put yourself in another person's shoes. You think it's just as simple as placing yourself in the type of environment you think a black inner city youth grows up in and saying 'oh well I would have done x, y, and z and been successful' but it's not. The problem is that your placing yourself in their shoes without taking away your current mindset of I can do this and that and make it out.

If I ask you the question, 'Do you think you could do any better if you were in there situation as a black youth?' you would just draw from your current life lessons and morals and say that you would succeed but if that were the case then how come most of them from those areas DONT succeed? Are you just better than everyone else?


no. but i see what a lot of inner city youth are doing. i've seen what classmates did that never went anywhere. would i have enjoyed not studying or trying to get decent grades, and hanging with friends, smoking weed all of the time, and just playing ball? hell yeah. thats a easy way to live, a fun way, but it doesn't get you very far.

i like to think people make their own decisions, and i don't feel nearly as sorry for them as you seem to, where you pretend they can't help it because of how they were born/raised. you won't convince me otherwise since i know i sacrificed to do well in school rather than party or whatever the hell i wanted. school sucks, nobody likes being in classrooms, i'd rather be on a streetcorner even if i was doing nothing, but thats why theres discipline involved that a lot of people don't have, and then they make these excuses.

one thing i'll add is its a hell of a lot harder to go back and get educated and get a good job than to do it the first time. there is just a lot of baggage people accrue that stays with them, and society isn't very forgiving or the route isn't nearly as straight and opportunistic as doing it from high school.

[Jackass18]

I would have threatened to break Kicky McGee's ankle. More kicks? That dumb bitch is hopping away with a ****ed up ankle.

[Jackass18]

The bold is exactly what I've been trying to make some others understand, but rather they misunderstood my use of the word culture. I brought up culture in reference to black children for a long time going to schools where they are expected to aspire to be like people they can't relate to other than being human. I pointed out that this isn't as a big a deal for immigrants because they know their roots (or at the least their parents or grandparents do, or at the very least they have roots to look up, a black person can only look so far before they get to the part where the slave owner hadn't given his family a name yet after they were stripped of their own) and come to this country understanding what they have to adjust to. But for a Black American, you almost have to do the same exact thing as an immigrant, except you're actually a natural born citizen, and your family has been here for generations.

I'm not upholding the ignorant actions we often see in these youtube videos, for ignorance is ignorance, no way around it. But there is a reason these children are this way and it has as much to do with history and circumstance as it has to do with bad character and a lack of common sense.

If you come in with a defeatist attitude, then you're probably going to be defeated. You can't blame that all on circumstance. What about a person's own responsibility? The problem is you think it's a perfectly fine excuse to say that their circumstance is the reason why they don't succeed when it should be motivation for them to strive for better. Strong people use circumstance as motivation while weak people use it as an excuse. If everyone around you is failing, then why would you want to jump into the same hole as them? It's the defeatist attitude where you don't even try and then you make excuses. The problem is many don't even try.

[Vegeta]

Just imagine if the Ipod was a KFC drum stick, oh my!:eek:

[Dolphin]

If you come in with a defeatist attitude, then you're probably going to be defeated. You can't blame that all on circumstance. What about a person's own responsibility? The problem is you think it's a perfectly fine excuse to say that their circumstance is the reason why they don't succeed when it should be motivation for them to strive for better. Strong people use circumstance as motivation while weak people use it as an excuse. If everyone around you is failing, then why would you want to jump into the same hole as them? It's the defeatist attitude where you don't even try and then you make excuses. The problem is many don't even try.

I don't think he's saying it's an excuse. He's saying it's a fact life. The way many inner city black kids are brought up leads to mostly one conclusion. It's not a matter of "They have a choice to better themselves" it's a matter of "This is the way things are and therefore this is the way things will turn out for the most part". You don't want that to be so? Then do something to change it instead of saying "They had a choice and decided to go down the wrong path".....if you think that way then you're gonna keep on seeing incidents like this and what we have seen in Chicago. If you don't like that....well then you're gonna at least have to live with it.

[FatComputerNerd]

the white devils deserve what they get!

[VishaltotheG]

Just imagine if the Ipod was a KFC drum stick, oh my!:eek:

What if there were more drum sticks? A lot more? I mean a LOT more?
Over 9000 more?

[Vegeta]

What if there were more drum sticks? A lot more? I mean a LOT more?
Over 9000 more?

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:oldlol:


And nice white text, where Jerry Steakhouse when you need him?:oldlol:

[-playmaker-]

:oldlol: ...WOW

I can tell that is photoshopped but not bad work...

wonder what that source art is from...