As the season wears on, the angrier I get at Kobe.

[chris2010]

Let me start off that I am a proud laker fan. Kobe bryant is my favorite player b/c of his pure skill and toughness. I am a lakers fan 1st, kobe bryant fan 2nd.And the fact that he does not act like the typical star athlete- go out to parties every night, make statements on issues he doesnt have an educated opinion on, and go out of his way to proclaim himself as the greatest thing since the wheel.

However, watching that game last night just goes to show why Kobe cannot be mentioned in the same breath as the larry birds, the magic johnsons, the jordans, chamberlins, etc. Out of all those players I mentioned, none of them would have been playing this poorly this season. He may be putting up respectable stats compared to any other player, however stats do not tell everything. The few games ive been able to catch and the articles ive ready on my free time about the games the lakers have played this season, and checking the FG% for the wins and losses, I can tell Kobe is essentially a shell of his former self. His game is built on taking these impossible shots, and in his prime he was probably the greatest impossible shot maker of all time. No, Jordan rarely took bad shots. He did not need to. Jordan could get anywhere on the court whenever he wanted.

I will tell you one thing, none of the legends i mentioned would have missed 13 shots in a row in a statement game like last night. They would have been smart enough to quit shooting and focus on the other parts of the game such as defense, rebounding, facilitating, or just being an enforcer. None of the legends I mentioned would be putting up stats like this at the age of 32.They would not be playing like Kobe so far THIS SEASON though they knew it hurt their teams doing so
And another thing, Magic and Bird did not have to take a bunch of shots to be effective. They could dominate a game taking 9 shots- bc they were the most versatile players of all time. And idk if Jordan could dominate a game taking as many shots as Magic or Bird, however I think he would be smart enough to sacrifice shots and focused on other aspects of the game if in case his shot just wasnt there that night.

Kobe bryant is just stubborn, and being too caught up in catching Jordan. If he wants people to even consider him in the top 10, he needs to change his identity. He needs to transition from this 35 ppg scorer(he only averaged it once, but you would think the way he has been playing lately he is trying to replicate that again) to a 20 7 and 8 guy w/ a couple blocks and steals per game. And in the big games regardless whether it is playoffs or regular season, needs to play smarter. He almost cost us game 7 last year b/c he went into DA mode, if he keeps playing like this we will be lucky to get out of the 1st round. He already had a helping hand in cost us a dynasty w/ getting shaq sent away. Not to make Shaq look innocent himself, but Kobe could have risen above it. Magic got to the lakers and it was Kareems team. Kobe should have taken what Magic did to heart and done it w/ shaq.

The other greats were coachable. MJ was heading down Kobe's way for awhile there. But luckily 2 things happened: 1) the Bad Boy pistons. You are talking about one of the greatest defenses in the history of basketball to do what they did to Jordan who is the greatest scorer ever. After losing year after year he knew that he was going to have to help develop his teamates. 2) Phil Jackson managed to coach him into trusting his teamates. If only Kobe was that coachable. But I guess I would be asking too much from a guy who has a shot selection that would make Stevie Wonder look like Magic Johnson

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

:applause: :applause: great post

[catch24]

After that Christmas game, I've pretty much lost ALL expectations from the guy. Just a couple years ago you always waited to see how much Kobe scored, or whether he'd have a crazy 40pt game. Now you're lucky enough to see him crack 30, and that's on GOOD efficiency. It's been very disappointing to be Lakers/Kobe fan this year. Talk about NOT playing to your standards.

[chris2010]

he doesnt have DJ whatever as the backup center anymore. Or Kwame Brown as his starting center. Or Luke Walton starting at small forward. Or Smush parker being his back court mate. He has his 2nd best option on the terrible lakers teams (Odom) as the 6th man. Your team must be pretty damn good you have a player like him coming off the bench. He needs to wise up. Let his teamates do the work now. If they dont show up, he has no reason to be blamed. But when you get it in the heads of your teamates that you are going to take 25-30 shots a game no matter the circumstances then eventually they quit showing up.

[Doranku]

lol @ the knee jerk reactions. Ya'll will be back on Kobe's dick when he's dropping 30+ a game in the Playoffs.

[SFMF]

I don't think this is new, but great post to open some blind eyes.

[chris2010]

:applause: :applause: great post

thank you. again Kobe is my favorite player, but I will call him out for his BS play this season. And even last year in stretches

[chris2010]

lol @ the knee jerk reactions. Ya'll will be back on Kobe's dick when he's dropping 30+ a game in the Playoffs.

Id rather him drop 20 12 and 15 and the lakers as a whole do better than him go in rambo mode and for for 40 but make like 30% of his shots. Shoot it better or shoot less

[LA_Showtime]

I'm not very concerned right now. I do think this is a sign of things to come, though (not this year, but in 2 or 3). I don't think Kobe will age well, and I doubt he'll be able to pass the reigns to Gasol, Bynum, etc .

[lefthook00]

Whyyyyy???? Kobe has been doing this sh*t his whole career, why are you surprised when he shoots 8 for 23? 12 for 30? Everything is fine.

[andgar923]

Let me start off that I am a proud laker fan. Kobe bryant is my favorite player b/c of his pure skill and toughness. I am a lakers fan 1st, kobe bryant fan 2nd.And the fact that he does not act like the typical star athlete- go out to parties every night, make statements on issues he doesnt have an educated opinion on, and go out of his way to proclaim himself as the greatest thing since the wheel.

However, watching that game last night just goes to show why Kobe cannot be mentioned in the same breath as the larry birds, the magic johnsons, the jordans, chamberlins, etc. Out of all those players I mentioned, none of them would have been playing this poorly this season. He may be putting up respectable stats compared to any other player, however stats do not tell everything. The few games ive been able to catch, I can tell Kobe is essentially a shell of his former self. His game is built on taking these impossible shots, and in his prime he was probably the greatest impossible shot maker of all time. No, Jordan rarely took bad shots. He did not need to. Jordan could get anywhere on the court whenever he wanted.

I will tell you one thing, none of the legends i mentioned would have missed 13 shots in a row. They would have been smart enough to quit shooting and focus on the other parts of the game such as defense, rebounding, facilitating, or just being an enforcer. None of the legends I mentioned would be putting up stats like this at the age of 32.
And another thing, Magic and Bird did not have to take 27 shots to be effective. They could dominate a game taking 9 shots- bc they were the most versatile players of all time. And idk if Jordan could dominate a game taking as many shots as Magic or Bird, however I think he would be smart enough to sacrifice shots and focused on other aspects of the game if in case his shot just wasnt there that night.

Kobe bryant is just stubborn, and being too caught up in catching Jordan. If he wants people to even consider him in the top 10, he needs to change his identity. He needs to transition from this 35 ppg scorer to a 20 7 and 8 guy w/ a couple blocks and steals per game. And in the big games regardless whether it is playoffs or regular season, needs to play smarter. He almost cost us game 7 last year b/c he went into DA mode, if he keeps playing like this we will be lucky to get out of the 1st round. He already had a helping hand in cost us a dynasty w/ getting shaq sent away. Not to make Shaq look innocent himself, but Kobe could have risen above it. Magic got to the lakers and it was Kareems team. Kobe should have taken what Magic did to heart and done it w/ shaq.

The other greats were coachable. MJ was heading down Kobe's way for awhile there. But luckily 2 things happened: 1) the Bad Boy pistons. You are talking about one of the greatest defenses in the history of basketball to do what they did to Jordan who is the greatest scorer ever. After losing year after year he knew that he was going to have to help develop his teamates. 2) Phil Jackson managed to coach him into trusting his teamates. If only Kobe was that coachable. But I guess I would be asking too much from a guy who has a shot selection that would make Stevie Wonder look like Magic Johnson

I somewhat disagree and always have whenever people state that "X legend would've NEVER done this" or "X legend would never let this happen" because to be fair, they have.

to some degree.

We've seen MJ complain, we've seen Magic and Bird miss many shots, they've done what we say they wouldn't have done.

Having said that.... I think the main difference is, 'when' they do it, 'how' they do it and more importantly how 'frequently' they do it.

Yes... MJ had bad shooting nights, bad games, etc.etc. But not when they counted and not as frequently as Kobe.

Players from the past were far from perfect, but they were better at minimizing their off nights, and/or still found a way to win.

Kobe has always been this way.... yes always.

He always has stretches when he plays brilliantly.
Then he has stretches when he plays poorly.

There's times in which he plays excellent team ball.
But then reverts back to Kome ball.

That's the pattern of his career, always has been and it will always be that. And that's something that other greats were not. They were for the most part 'consistent', Kobe is consistent at being inconsistent. Which is why many of us state that he still doesn't 'get it'.

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

thank you. again Kobe is my favorite player, but I will call him out for his BS play this season. And even last year in stretches


:cheers: :cheers:

[catch24]

The problem is you're not getting those flashes of brilliance or insanely high scoring games that mask his inefficiencies. Like I said, the way he's playing currently, going into January, you're lucky enough to see him crack 30 on a great shooting %.

[chris2010]

Whyyyyy???? Kobe has been doing this sh*t his whole career, why are you surprised when he shoots 8 for 23? 12 for 30? Everything is fine.

He hasnt been shooting this bad his whole career man. Sure, he went through stretches where he played like this, however that happens to every player. But honestly its to the point where he dont care he is going to keep chucking when his shot isnt falling rather than temporarily changing. if not permanently. He has a deep team, use them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Hulk Hogan]

Another Kobe hater using a gimmick account to propagate his agenda! :facepalm
I don't see anyone calling out Wade for missing 12 straight shots? Or call out Lebron/Wade when they had their share of bad games early on this season.

These Leborn/Jordan trolls are a joke.

[chris2010]

thanks for the reps

[andgar923]

Another Kobe hater using a gimmick account to propagate his agenda! :facepalm

It could be.

But I live in L.A. and know true Laker fans that feel the same way.

[chris2010]

Another Kobe hater using a gimmick account to propagate his agenda! :facepalm

lol i didnt join last night. Ive been here since july 09. and i have posted on how i love the lakers and Kobe. But just b/c you love a team or player doesnt mean you never call them out on something.

[Stuckey]

he's less athletic, easier to defend

when pau is not dominant, there is no room for kobe to operate

[MMM]

I agree with the sentiment of this thread. I never understood why Kobe frequently tries to shoot him self out of woes instead of doing a multitude of other things that would be more beneficial to his team. I mean he is in his 15th season yet at times you would think he is still in his early 20's mentally. With all that being said Kobe is still one of the top elite athletes I've witness in my lifetime and has many attributes that are praise worthy but I feel he has limited what he could of been by playing with an agenda at times.

[SCdac]

Kobe bryant is just stubborn, and being too caught up in catching Jordan. If he wants people to even consider him in the top 10, he needs to change his identity. He needs to transition from this 35 ppg scorer to a 20 7 and 8 guy w/ a couple blocks and steals per game.

I'm not expert on the Lakers, but I feel you on that. Kobe is going to have to transition... At some point in his career... I do think that team, as it's currently built, still needs him to put up more than 20 points a game though - more often than not... Guys like Shannon Brown, Matt Barnes, or even Artest are great complementary pieces, but not quite players I'd lean on heavily, even if Kobe is entering that stage where it should be happening. Artest, offensively, has never scared me, he's inconsistent and used to take bad shots (he's gotten alot better since being with LA though).

[chris2010]

I'm not expert on the Lakers, but I feel you on that. Kobe is going to have to transition... At some point in his career... I do think that team, as it's currently built, still needs him to put up more than 20 points a game though - more often than not... Guys like Shannon Brown, Matt Barnes, or even Artest are great complimentary pieces, but not quite players I'd lean on heavily, even if Kobe is entering that stage where it should be happening. Artest, offensively, has never scared me, he's inconsistent and used to take bad shots (he's gotten alot better since being with LA though).

Kobe will get his 20 regardless. But those other guys can get alot of assists from Kobe. Kobe is one of the most dominant scorers in the modern nba. He will draw alot of attention and really cause matchup problems if he just wised up and fixed his shot selection.

[Hulk Hogan]

lol i didnt join last night. Ive been here since july 09. and i have posted on how i love the lakers and Kobe. But just b/c you love a team or player doesnt mean you never call them out on something.

Look dude, we all know you are a troll using an old account. You only have 398 posts for crying out loud.:lol


Dude the whole premise of your opening statement is how Jordan is better than Kobe. :facepalm A true Lakers/Kobe fans would recongnize that everyone has bad games.

Wade early on this season had his share of bad games, one game he went 1/13 (missing 12 straight shots). Lebron had his share of bad games this season aswell..

Your thread is basically stating how Kobe shouldnt be compared with Jordan and so on.. You are a clear Jordan/Lebron nutgagger, Get over it! Kobe has two bad games and here you are. The perfect opportunity to spread your bs about how Kobe can't be named in the same breath as the greats. :no:

This bull crap gets old pretty quick! Its the same bs all over again from another gimmick account

[chris2010]

Look dude, we all know you are a troll using an old account. You only have 398 posts for crying out loud.:lol


Dude the whole premise of your opening statement is how Jordan is better than Kobe. :facepalm A true Lakers/Kobe fans would recongnize that everyone has bad games.

Wade early on this season had his share of bad games, one game he went 1/13 (missing 12 straight shots). Lebron had his share of bad games this season aswell..

Your thread is basically stating how Kobe shouldnt be compared with Jordan and so on.. You are a clear Jordan/Lebron nutgagger, Get over it! Kobe has two bad games and here you are. The perfect opportunity to spread your bs about how Kobe can't be named in the same breath as the greats. :no:

This bull crap gets old pretty quick! Its the same bs all over again from another gimmick account
:lol no Im a Magic "******ger". Im old fashioned team first player 2nd. Lebron cant dominate a game taking 12 shots, neither can wade or Kobe or probably anyone in the nba. B/c no one is as well rounded as bird, magic, pippen, even jordan. Kobe has been playing crappy by my standards the past 2 years. Make the shots, or shoot less.

I hate lebron james:banghead:

I have a life, im not going to create a bunch of ghost accounts for a basketball forum. I have a more important life.

[Hulk Hogan]

He hasnt been shooting this bad his whole career man. Sure, he went through stretches where he played like this, however that happens to every player. But honestly its to the point where he dont care he is going to keep chucking when his shot isnt falling rather than temporarily changing. if not permanently. He has a deep team, use them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


This my friend proves you are a troll using a gimmick account! He just had only TWO bad games before that he was averaging above 50% in the last 10 games! :roll:

/thread

[asdf1990]

lol @ the knee jerk reactions. Ya'll will be back on Kobe's dick when he's dropping 30+ a game in the Playoffs.

lol suns not making the playoffs so thats not happening/

[chris2010]

This my friend proves you are a troll using a gimmick account! He just had only TWO bad games before that he was averaging above 50% in the last 10 games! :roll:

/thread


yeah, and how has his percentages helped? He needs to wise up, use his teamates. Sure, he leads by a great example by work ethic. but its also getting them involved in games. plus its more than 2 bad games he has so far this season. and last year included

[Hulk Hogan]

yeah, and how has his percentages helped? He needs to wise up, use his teamates. Sure, he leads by a great example by work ethic. but its also getting them involved in games.

Dude your thread failed, you have been exposed as a troll. You wrote this whole essay which makes me believe you are Ginobli. You said Kobe hasn't been shooting this bad his whole carrer. I showed you he's been averaging over 50% in his last 10 games before these two bad games.

He has two bad games and here you are. Believe it or not, Wade shot 6/17(Worse than Kobe) in the christmas game and I didn't see any Wade threads. Why is that? Explain to me?

Don't try to change the topic, admit it and accept defeat. You failed miserably!

Another day, Another troll, Same Result, Epic Failure!

[dallaslonghorn]

Great post.

I'll never understand why Lakers fans have such a fixation with Kobe. Like as a Dallas Mavericks fan, I would sell Dirk down the river in a SECOND if it improved the team's chances of winning.

Yet, I get the feeling that a lot of cats on this board would rather Kobe put up 35/5/5 in the NBA Finals and lose than have Pau Gasol win the Finals MVP.

I can understand why Kobe and his immediate family would feel that way, but not fans of a team.

[chris2010]

Dude your thread failed, you have been exposed as a troll. You wrote this whole essay which makes me believe you are Ginobli. You said Kobe hasn't been shooting this bad his whole carrer. I showed you he's been averaging over 50% in his last 10 games before these two bad games.

Don't try to change the topic, admit it and accept defeat. You failed miserably!

Another day, Another troll, Same Result, Epic Failure!

Isnt ginobilli the guy who says kobe is the 3rd best SG behind wade and Ginobilli? hell no.

and whats the lakers record over the last 10 games? look at the FG% of the rest of the team. come on now, dont come to a gun fight w/ a sling shot

[ashbelly]

lol suns not making the playoffs so thats not happening/


:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[ginobli2311]

kobe is still a top 5 player in the league. even when he struggles at times, he's still one of the best.

has he lost a little? yep, but that is what happens when you get older and go and a 3 year run that maybe 5 players all time have done. 3 straight finals appearances, a gold medal, two straight titles, two finals mvps, and an mvp award.

just an amazing run. just amazing.

if kobe wants to remain an elite player for the next few years.....he'll have to change his game a bit. but this has been true for a while now. he's not good enough to be a volume shooter and win titles unless his teammates are really playing well. the lakers really had no business winning the finals last year based on his play....(shot jacking/volume shooting/ball stopping/terrible 4th qtr play/awful game 7). Kobe won that series mainly because his team was better.

And that will be the rub. Is kobe willing to stop jacking shots? He's been very fortunate so far in his career to get away with it, but shooting 40% on high volume just won't get it done now or in the future. The rest of the NBA is starting to improve and create elite teams like the Lakers have had for Kobe's entire career.

The Heat/Thunder/Magic/Mavs/Spurs/Celtics are all going to be tough as hell going forward both now and in the future.

But no matter what happens kobe has rightfully earned his place among the greatest to ever play. Having 11 or 12 elite years is amazing and more than enough time to be an all time great.

You all know i think he's over-rated, but he's still an amazing player and is still one of the best in the league now and ever.

I just hope he finally learns to use his teammates. Taking 27 shots last night is laughable. Just laughable.

[Dwade305]

Another Kobe hater using a gimmick account to propagate his agenda! :facepalm
I don't see anyone calling out Wade for missing 12 straight shots? Or call out Lebron/Wade when they had their share of bad games early on this season.

These Leborn/Jordan trolls are a joke.
:lol@ this bum thinking everyone is border line retards creating troll accounts. Just cause you do it, dont throw everyone under the same boat f@g.

[Hulk Hogan]

Isnt ginobilli the guy who says kobe is the 3rd best SG behind wade and Ginobilli? hell no.

and whats the lakers record over the last 10 games? look at the FG% of the rest of the team. come on now, dont come to a gun fight w/ a sling shot

So because the Lakers are not winning in FASHION, but Kobe is scoring with over 50% shooting in the 10 games before the last 2 games. It results in a thread comparing Kobe to Jordan and how kobe should never be compared to the greats?

What does that have to do with LA losing? Admit it, you are not a LA fans. You are a troll, and a bad one at it.

[chris2010]

So because the Lakers are not winning in FASHION, but Kobe is scoring with over 50% shooting in the 10 games before the last 2 games. It results in a thread comparing Kobe to Jordan and how kobe should never be compared to the greats?

What does that have to do with LA losing? Admit it, you are not a LA fans. You are a troll, and a bad one at it.

What is their record? you failed to mention that.:facepalm

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

kobe is still a top 5 player in the league. even when he struggles at times, he's still one of the best.

has he lost a little? yep, but that is what happens when you get older and go and a 3 year run that maybe 5 players all time have done. 3 straight finals appearances, a gold medal, two straight titles, two finals mvps, and an mvp award.

just an amazing run. just amazing.

if kobe wants to remain an elite player for the next few years.....he'll have to change his game a bit. but this has been true for a while now. he's not good enough to be a volume shooter and win titles unless his teammates are really playing well. the lakers really had no business winning the finals last year based on his play....(shot jacking/volume shooting/ball stopping/terrible 4th qtr play/awful game 7). Kobe won that series mainly because his team was better.

And that will be the rub. Is kobe willing to stop jacking shots? He's been very fortunate so far in his career to get away with it, but shooting 40% on high volume just won't get it done now or in the future. The rest of the NBA is starting to improve and create elite teams like the Lakers have had for Kobe's entire career.

The Heat/Thunder/Magic/Mavs/Spurs/Celtics are all going to be tough as hell going forward both now and in the future.

But no matter what happens kobe has rightfully earned his place among the greatest to ever play. Having 11 or 12 elite years is amazing and more than enough time to be an all time great.

You all know i think he's over-rated, but he's still an amazing player and is still one of the best in the league now and ever.

I just hope he finally learns to use his teammates. Taking 27 shots last night is laughable. Just laughable.:applause: :applause: great post

I agree Kobe is gonna have to change his style of play and stop jacking up shots. His teammates are talented Gasol, Odom who has been consistent this season and Bynum.

and Phil is gonna have to call out Kobe or have a 1 on 1 meeting with him

[N0Skillz]

Let me start off that 1.I am a proud laker fan. Kobe bryant is my favorite player b/c of his pure skill and toughness. I am a lakers fan 1st, 3kobe bryant fan 2nd.And the fact that he does not act like the typical star athlete- go out to parties every night, make statements on issues he doesnt have an educated opinion on, and go out of his way to proclaim himself as the greatest thing since the wheel.

However, watching that game last night just goes to show why Kobe cannot be mentioned in the same breath as the larry birds, the magic johnsons, the jordans, chamberlins, etc. Out of all those players I mentioned, none of them would have been playing this poorly this season. He may be putting up respectable stats compared to any other player, however stats do not tell everything.2 The few games ive been able to catch, I can tell Kobe is essentially a shell of his former self. His game is built on taking these impossible shots, and in his prime he was probably the greatest impossible shot maker of all time. No, Jordan rarely took bad shots. He did not need to. Jordan could get anywhere on the court whenever he wanted.

I will tell you one thing, none of the legends i mentioned would have missed 13 shots in a row. They would have been smart enough to quit shooting and focus on the other parts of the game such as defense, rebounding, facilitating, or just being an enforcer. None of the legends I mentioned would be putting up stats like this at the age of 32.
And another thing, Magic and Bird did not have to take 27 shots to be effective. 4They could dominate a game taking 9 shots- bc they were the most versatile players of all time. And idk if Jordan could dominate a game taking as many shots as Magic or Bird, however I think he would be smart enough to sacrifice shots and focused on other aspects of the game if in case his shot just wasnt there that night.

Kobe bryant is just stubborn, and being too caught up in catching Jordan. If he wants people to even consider him in the top 10, he needs to change his identity. 5He needs to transition from this 35 ppg scorer to a 20 7 and 8 guy w/ a couple blocks and steals per game. And in the big games regardless whether it is playoffs or regular season, needs to play smarter. 6He almost cost us game 7 last year b/c he went into DA mode, if he keeps playing like this we will be lucky to get out of the 1st round. He already had a helping hand in cost us a dynasty w/ getting shaq sent away. Not to make Shaq look innocent himself, but Kobe could have risen above it. Magic got to the lakers and it was Kareems team. Kobe should have taken what Magic did to heart and done it w/ shaq.

The other greats were coachable. MJ was heading down Kobe's way for awhile there. But luckily 2 things happened: 1) the Bad Boy pistons. You are talking about one of the greatest defenses in the history of basketball to do what they did to Jordan who is the greatest scorer ever. After losing year after year he knew that he was going to have to help develop his teamates. 2) Phil Jackson managed to coach him into trusting his teamates. If only Kobe was that coachable. But I guess I would be asking too much from a guy who has a shot selection that would make Stevie Wonder look like Magic Johnson

Damn Trolls these days...

{1}Proud Laker Fan but you only {2}watch a few games? (Wierd, Maybe very busy?)

{3} Kobe fan second and a Laker fan first but nowhere did you mention the the other key reasons of the Lakers past few disappointments. (Must have skipped his mind)


{4} 9 Shots from Magic, Jordan, Bird? (Maybe he missed those games also)

{5} 35 PPG to 20/7/8? ( The Only time Kobe ever scored 35 ppg was in 06-07 season.... and he is averaged 27/5/5 last year....)

{6} I cant excuse this.... YOU DID NOT WATCH THE ****ING FINALS CAUSE IF YOU DID YOU WOULD HAVE REALIZED THAT THE ONLY PERSON THAT SHOT OVER 40% THAT GAME WAS FISHER. THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN KOBE AND HIS OTHER TEAM MATES WAS THAT HE HAD 15 ****ING REBOUNDS AND DID NOT MISS HALF HIS FREETHROWS.


NOW GTFO

[Hulk Hogan]

What is their record? you failed to mention that.:facepalm

Before the last two losses to Miami and Spurs, they won 8 of their last 10 games.

[Poochymama]

Overall, great post. I agree with much of what was said though I don't know if Kobe going 20-8-8 is really possible. Kobe going 23-7-7 seems more possible/beneficial for the team.

[Game5WasDaBess]

Let me start off that I am a proud laker fan. Kobe bryant is my favorite player b/c of his pure skill and toughness. I am a lakers fan 1st, kobe bryant fan 2nd.And the fact that he does not act like the typical star athlete- go out to parties every night, make statements on issues he doesnt have an educated opinion on, and go out of his way to proclaim himself as the greatest thing since the wheel.

However, watching that game last night just goes to show why Kobe cannot be mentioned in the same breath as the larry birds, the magic johnsons, the jordans, chamberlins, etc. Out of all those players I mentioned, none of them would have been playing this poorly this season. He may be putting up respectable stats compared to any other player, however stats do not tell everything. The few games ive been able to catch, I can tell Kobe is essentially a shell of his former self. His game is built on taking these impossible shots, and in his prime he was probably the greatest impossible shot maker of all time. No, Jordan rarely took bad shots. He did not need to. Jordan could get anywhere on the court whenever he wanted.

I will tell you one thing, none of the legends i mentioned would have missed 13 shots in a row. They would have been smart enough to quit shooting and focus on the other parts of the game such as defense, rebounding, facilitating, or just being an enforcer. None of the legends I mentioned would be putting up stats like this at the age of 32.
And another thing, Magic and Bird did not have to take 27 shots to be effective. They could dominate a game taking 9 shots- bc they were the most versatile players of all time. And idk if Jordan could dominate a game taking as many shots as Magic or Bird, however I think he would be smart enough to sacrifice shots and focused on other aspects of the game if in case his shot just wasnt there that night.

Kobe bryant is just stubborn, and being too caught up in catching Jordan. If he wants people to even consider him in the top 10, he needs to change his identity. He needs to transition from this 35 ppg scorer to a 20 7 and 8 guy w/ a couple blocks and steals per game. And in the big games regardless whether it is playoffs or regular season, needs to play smarter. He almost cost us game 7 last year b/c he went into DA mode, if he keeps playing like this we will be lucky to get out of the 1st round. He already had a helping hand in cost us a dynasty w/ getting shaq sent away. Not to make Shaq look innocent himself, but Kobe could have risen above it. Magic got to the lakers and it was Kareems team. Kobe should have taken what Magic did to heart and done it w/ shaq.

The other greats were coachable. MJ was heading down Kobe's way for awhile there. But luckily 2 things happened: 1) the Bad Boy pistons. You are talking about one of the greatest defenses in the history of basketball to do what they did to Jordan who is the greatest scorer ever. After losing year after year he knew that he was going to have to help develop his teamates. 2) Phil Jackson managed to coach him into trusting his teamates. If only Kobe was that coachable. But I guess I would be asking too much from a guy who has a shot selection that would make Stevie Wonder look like Magic Johnson
GTFO you ****ing troll

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

Before the last two losses to Miami and Spurs, they won 8 of their last 10 games.

and you do know that most of the teams they played were under .500% right?

Just checking:confusedshrug:

[Papaya Petee]

Another Kobe hater using a gimmick account to propagate his agenda! :facepalm
I don't see anyone calling out Wade for missing 12 straight shots? Or call out Lebron/Wade when they had their share of bad games early on this season.

These Leborn/Jordan trolls are a joke.

Just shut the **** up, I can't read the stuff you write anymore. I mean are you kidding me? The whole front page was filled with Heat Hater threads after the Dallas loss and 9-8 start. Nobody calls them out? They get called out all the time now although they are on a roll.

To the OP- yes, Kobe has been struggling, and he is receiving hate because instead of distributing, playing hard defense, and doing all the other things he is just chucking, I think he will find his way in a month or two and hopefully things get on track for him and the Lakers.

[chris2010]

Damn Trolls these days...

{1}Proud Laker Fan but you only {2}watch a few games? (Wierd, Maybe very busy?)

{3} Kobe fan second and a Laker fan first but nowhere did you mention the the other key reasons of the Lakers past few disappointments. (Must have skipped his mind)


{4} 9 Shots from Magic, Jordan, Bird? (Maybe he missed those games also)

{5} 35 PPG to 20/7/8? ( The Only time Kobe ever scored 35 ppg was in 06-07 season.... and he is averaged 27/5/5 last year....)

{6} I cant excuse this.... YOU DID NOT WATCH THE ****ING FINALS CAUSE IF YOU DID YOU WOULD HAVE REALIZED THAT THE ONLY PERSON THAT SHOT OVER 40% THAT GAME WAS FISHER. THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN KOBE AND HIS OTHER TEAM MATES WAS THAT HE HAD 15 ****ING REBOUNDS AND DID NOT MISS HALF HIS FREETHROWS.


NOW GTFO
1) yes i have a life. its called school, family, friends.
2)What are the other reasons? Gasol being soft as hell against KG? of course that was a reason
3)Maybe you dont know these guys, but they didnt have to try and score 30 pts a game. They actually had well rounded games. Jordan got his 30 but im sure he could have beat larry and magic at their own games. he has huge hands to help him do the job.
4) If his teamates got the ball more and got their offense going do you think that celtic defense would have stopped Odom, Bynum, Gasol, and the others at once? you give the celtic defense too much credit.

now you, shut the hell up

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

Overall, great post. I agree with much of what was said though I don't know if Kobe going 20-8-8 is really possible. Kobe going 23-7-7 seems more possible/beneficial for the team.


Kobe just needs to learn how to play with his teammates

**** THE STATS as long as they are winning which they're not doing now

Kobe has Bynum, Gasol, Odom all good scorers and he is still struggling to shot over 50% that is horrible. Not even my boy Beasley is gonna put up nasty chucking shots like that.

[ashbelly]

Overall, great post. I agree with much of what was said though I don't know if Kobe going 20-8-8 is really possible. Kobe going 23-7-7 seems more possible/beneficial for the team.

Thats asking too much from his old self. 20pts/8assists/3 rebounds would work wonders for him and the team. Less energy on his part while he gets everybody else involved. But his BALL IQ is VERY QUESTIONABLE and old habits die hard.

[chris2010]

and you do know that most of the teams they played were under .500% right?

Just checking:confusedshrug:

this. im pretty sure my team wont be playing under .500 teams come playoff time. better to right the ship early on before we hit the iceberg

[MMM]

and you do know that most of the teams they played were under .500% right?

Just checking:confusedshrug:

Yea they were on a East Coast trip and most those teams were able to hang around until the 4th.

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

Just shut the **** up, I can't read the stuff you write anymore. I mean are you kidding me? The whole front page was filled with Heat Hater threads after the Dallas loss and 9-8 start. Nobody calls them out? They get called out all the time now although they are on a roll.

To the OP- yes, Kobe has been struggling, and he is receiving hate because instead of distributing, playing hard defense, and doing all the other things he is just chucking, I think he will find his way in a month or two and hopefully things get on track for him and the Lakers.

I think Kobe is finally showing his age in his game. IMO he is done and wont be the same 27-5-6 46% he once was.

TEAMS KNOW HOW TO GUARD HIM HECK even Wolves rookie Wesley was able to shut down Kobe

[hotsizzle]

Highly doubt Kobe gives a shit about how angry you are. Its funny that after 14 years of pure dominance and winning, these people are acting like Kobe is such a flawed player. 7 NBA Finals appearances in 14 NBA seasons...ya this guy doesn't know team ball at all. You would think he would get the benefit of the doubt when him and his team are mired in a December slump

[ginobli2311]

Kobe just needs to learn how to play with his teammates

**** THE STATS as long as they are winning which they're not doing now

Kobe has Bynum, Gasol, Odom all good scorers and he is still struggling to shot over 50% that is horrible. Not even my boy Beasley is gonna put up nasty chucking shots like that.

yep.

kobe should adopt his playing style from the 08 olympic team. he should play an all around game and focus on defense and then start to take over late in games.

and by take over i mean get to the rim and create opportunities for teammates. he can shoot a lot if he's making, but if he conserves a little energy throughout the first 3 qtrs, he should have enough in the tank to get to the line and penetrate. if he played like that i think the lakers will win the title.

imagine kobe locking down other good scorers and letting the lakers offense run through gasol/bynum. it would wear teams out and then they would have to deal with a fresher kobe late in close games. would be beautiful to watch and i hope he figures it out.

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

Yea they were on a East Coast trip and most those teams were able to hang around until the 4th.

Yeah the only team to beat them was the Bulls who are over 500%

[Hulk Hogan]

Just shut the **** up, I can't read the stuff you write anymore. I mean are you kidding me? The whole front page was filled with Heat Hater threads after the Dallas loss and 9-8 start. Nobody calls them out? They get called out all the time now although they are on a roll.

To the OP- yes, Kobe has been struggling, and he is receiving hate because instead of distributing, playing hard defense, and doing all the other things he is just chucking, I think he will find his way in a month or two and hopefully things get on track for him and the Lakers.

Look, chill out for a moment please. It was actually the Kobe trolls that called out Wade/Lebron for their shooting performance during their bad game stretches. This is why chris2010 is an obvious troll. I didn't see any Heat/Wade/Lebron fan making a thread saying: "As the season wears on, the angrier I get at Wade/Lebron."

That is my whole point, chris2010 isn't a Laker fan, he is an obvious troll!
He went on with his rant about Kobe and greatness, yet nothing from the perspective of a Laker.

[ashbelly]

Highly doubt Kobe gives a shit about how angry you are. Its funny that after 14 years of pure dominance and winning, these people are acting like Kobe is such a flawed player. 7 NBA Finals appearances in 14 NBA seasons...ya this guy doesn't know team ball at all. You would think he would get the benefit of the doubt when him and his team are mired in a December slump
:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

Highly doubt Kobe gives a shit about how angry you are. Its funny that after 14 years of pure dominance and winning, these people are acting like Kobe is such a flawed player. 7 NBA Finals appearances in 14 NBA seasons...ya this guy doesn't know team ball at all. You would think he would get the benefit of the doubt when him and his team are mired in a December slump

having Shaq O'neal (one of the Greatest Players of all time) and Pau Gasol (top ten player in the league) helps.

Shaq being 28/12 type of player who was just pure dominate :bowdown: :bowdown:

[chris2010]

Highly doubt Kobe gives a shit about how angry you are. Its funny that after 14 years of pure dominance and winning, these people are acting like Kobe is such a flawed player. 7 NBA Finals appearances in 14 NBA seasons...ya this guy doesn't know team ball at all. You would think he would get the benefit of the doubt when him and his team are mired in a December slump

he is definitely flawed now. In his prime he could afford to play this style of game. But now he is in decline, he needs to change his game and adapt. all the other greats did. This team hasnt been right pretty much since that 8-0 start. Once kobe resorted to Kobe ball, we became a much less dangerous team.

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

yep.

kobe should adopt his playing style from the 08 olympic team. he should play an all around game and focus on defense and then start to take over late in games.

and by take over i mean get to the rim and create opportunities for teammates. he can shoot a lot if he's making, but if he conserves a little energy throughout the first 3 qtrs, he should have enough in the tank to get to the line and penetrate. if he played like that i think the lakers will win the title.

imagine kobe locking down other good scorers and letting the lakers offense run through gasol/bynum. it would wear teams out and then they would have to deal with a fresher kobe late in close games. would be beautiful to watch and i hope he figures it out.

Great Post Ginobili btw were you the one who repped me? Cuz you didnt leave your name:cheers: :cheers:

[Swaggin916]

Kobe's knee is F-d up and you want him to grab 8 boards and get 2 blocks as a 6'6 wingman?

My knee is ****ed up and whenever I play pickup ball I don't put hardly any effort in rebounding or defense quite simply because I cannot do it. when your knees start going, it all goes downhill.

[ashbelly]

yep.

kobe should adopt his playing style from the 08 olympic team. he should play an all around game and focus on defense and then start to take over late in games.

and by take over i mean get to the rim and create opportunities for teammates. he can shoot a lot if he's making, but if he conserves a little energy throughout the first 3 qtrs, he should have enough in the tank to get to the line and penetrate. if he played like that i think the lakers will win the title.

imagine kobe locking down other good scorers and letting the lakers offense run through gasol/bynum. it would wear teams out and then they would have to deal with a fresher kobe late in close games. would be beautiful to watch and i hope he figures it out.

:no: :no: :no: He'll shoot them out of the games. Lakers don't have wade and lebron to cover up for all the chucking he was doing in the Olympics. Dude just need to pass the ball to gasol and only take shots when they open. not forcing issues and shots.

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

Look, chill out for a moment please. It was actually the Kobe trolls that called out Wade/Lebron for their shooting performance during their bad game stretches. This is why chris2010 is a obvious troll. I didn't see any Heat/Wade/Lebron fan making a thread saying: "As the season wears on, the angrier I get at Wade/Lebron."

That is my whole point, chris2010 isn't a Laker fan, he is a obvious troll!
He went on with his rant about Kobe and greatness, yet nothing from the perspective of a Laker.

That Chris pOSTER says he is a Die Hard Lakers fan not A Miami Heat fan

[chris2010]

Look, chill out for a moment please. It was actually the Kobe trolls that called out Wade/Lebron for their shooting performance during their bad game stretches. This is why chris2010 is a obvious troll. I didn't see any Heat/Wade/Lebron fan making a thread saying: "As the season wears on, the angrier I get at Wade/Lebron."

That is my whole point, chris2010 isn't a Laker fan, he is a obvious troll!
He went on with his rant about Kobe and greatness, yet nothing from the perspective of a Laker.

I dont give a **** about the heat. Just my lakers.

[hotsizzle]

having Shaq O'neal (one of the Greatest Players of all time) and Pau Gasol (top ten player in the league) helps.

Shaq being 28/12 type of player who was just pure dominate :bowdown: :bowdown:

What other all time great won without help? No one does it alone

[chris2010]

:no: :no: :no: He'll shoot them out of the games. Lakers don't have wade and lebron to cover up for all the chucking he was doing in the Olympics. Dude just need to pass the ball to gasol and only take shots when they open. not forcing issues and shots.

now he did save their asses in the 4th quarter in the gold medal game. I dont mind him shooting so much as long as it helps the team. But lately, him shooting way more hasnt helped

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

:no: :no: :no: He'll shoot them out of the games. Lakers don't have wade and lebron to cover up for all the chucking he was doing in the Olympics. Dude just need to pass the ball to gasol and only take shots when they open. not forcing issues and shots.

:lol :lol

But they do have Bynum and Gasol who can both contribute.

Gasol can give you 22 point a night and Bynum can give you 18-20 points if he is given proper minutes.

And when you have the best frontcourt in the NBA your bigs need touches there is no need for Kobe to be taking 20+ shots a game

[ginobli2311]

Highly doubt Kobe gives a shit about how angry you are. Its funny that after 14 years of pure dominance and winning, these people are acting like Kobe is such a flawed player. 7 NBA Finals appearances in 14 NBA seasons...ya this guy doesn't know team ball at all. You would think he would get the benefit of the doubt when him and his team are mired in a December slump

sorry. what you say is simply not true.

kobe has not dominated the league for 14 years. in fact, the word dominance doesn't really fit well with kobe.

kobe did not turn into an elite player until his 5th year in the league. this season will be kobe's 11th season as an elite player. so lets get that straight first.

7 finals appearances? that is amazing. however, kobe has had a top 3 team in the league around him in 12 of his 15 years in the league if you count this year. so lets not revise history and pretend that kobe carried teams to the finals or got average teams to far in the playoffs. didn't happen.

what we are saying is that kobe needs to learn how to play team ball. sorry, but he's just been flat out lucky that he could play the way he does and still win titles. most players don't play with half the help or coaching that kobe has had in all but three of his years in the league.

if you really think his style of play is a winning style going up against a team that can match the talent of the lakers....more power to you. but i strongly disagree and we've seen the evidence in 03 and 04 and 08 and really last year in the finals again.

[chris2010]

What other all time great won without help? No one does it alone

yes. and kobe needs to realize that. He has a talented team. Quit chucking. Allow them to help him win his championships. If thats all he wants, he has the guys to do it w/ him

[ashbelly]

Kobe's knee is F-d up and you want him to grab 8 boards and get 2 blocks as a 6'6 wingman?

My knee is ****ed up and whenever I play pickup ball I don't put hardly any effort in rebounding or defense quite simply because I cannot do it. when your knees start going, it all goes downhill.


:applause: :applause: :applause: Thats why i was suggesting 20pts/8assists/3rebs.. Coz i know he can't do much physically right now. Further shows how his Ball IQ is lacking. :facepalm

[bl2k8]

don't even know DJ's name, not a real fan. gtfoh

[Micku]

Kobe always took bad shots. That's his whole career. But that doesn't mean other superstars never took bad shots, it just that Kobe is the type of player that goes into a frustrating shooting slump, then all of the sudden he starts shooting like 60% or around 50% when he's hot.

This isn't new, and you can't criticize them for one game. But the Lakers haven't been playing well in general.

Isn't he battling injuries too? But gott'a give the Spurs and Heat credit. They did pretty well defensively against Kobe.

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

What other all time great won without help? No one does it alone

Tim Duncan 03
Hakeem 94 or 95 i believe

BTW Kobe is luckly to be playing in an organization like the Lakers and not like Cleveland where Bron was for 7 years

[ginobli2311]

What other all time great won without help? No one does it alone

true. nobody is saying that though. we're saying that kobe has been lucky to win so much based on his level of play at times in his career.

lets flip this around and ask you a question.

what other all time great player won titles while consistently performing poorly in the nba finals like kobe has throughout his career?

[bl2k8]

sorry. what you say is simply not true.

kobe has not dominated the league for 14 years. in fact, the word dominance doesn't really fit well with kobe.

kobe did not turn into an elite player until his 5th year in the league. this season will be kobe's 11th season as an elite player. so lets get that straight first.

7 finals appearances? that is amazing. however, kobe has had a top 3 team in the league around him in 12 of his 15 years in the league if you count this year. so lets not revise history and pretend that kobe carried teams to the finals or got average teams to far in the playoffs. didn't happen.

what we are saying is that kobe needs to learn how to play team ball. sorry, but he's just been flat out lucky that he could play the way he does and still win titles. most players don't play with half the help or coaching that kobe has had in all but three of his years in the league.

if you really think his style of play is a winning style going up against a team that can match the talent of the lakers....more power to you. but i strongly disagree and we've seen the evidence in 03 and 04 and 08 and really last year in the finals again.
and magic and bird and jordan didn't have a top 3 team when they went to the finals every year? why is this used as a negative for KB:facepalm

[chris2010]

don't even know DJ's name, not a real fan. gtfoh

who cares? he didnt help the team.

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

sorry. what you say is simply not true.

kobe has not dominated the league for 14 years. in fact, the word dominance doesn't really fit well with kobe.

kobe did not turn into an elite player until his 5th year in the league. this season will be kobe's 11th season as an elite player. so lets get that straight first.

7 finals appearances? that is amazing. however, kobe has had a top 3 team in the league around him in 12 of his 15 years in the league if you count this year. so lets not revise history and pretend that kobe carried teams to the finals or got average teams to far in the playoffs. didn't happen.

what we are saying is that kobe needs to learn how to play team ball. sorry, but he's just been flat out lucky that he could play the way he does and still win titles. most players don't play with half the help or coaching that kobe has had in all but three of his years in the league.

if you really think his style of play is a winning style going up against a team that can match the talent of the lakers....more power to you. but i strongly disagree and we've seen the evidence in 03 and 04 and 08 and really last year in the finals again.

:applause: :applause:

[chris2010]

Kobe always took bad shots. That's his whole career. But that doesn't mean other superstars never took bad shots, it just that Kobe is the type of player that goes into a frustrating shooting slump, then all of the sudden he starts shooting like 60% or around 50% when he's hot.

This isn't new, and you can't criticize them for one game. But the Lakers haven't been playing well in general.

Isn't he battling injuries too? But gott'a give the Spurs and Heat credit. They did pretty well defensively against Kobe.

at least in his prime he could hit them anyways. he literally was the greatest shooter of all time when it came to making ridiculous shots. But thats not a good thing.
Last I heard he was healthy. Just old and stubborn. They did do well on him, but if he deferred to his teamates like jordan would against the bad boy pistons, the lakers would be unbeatable

[hotsizzle]

he is definitely flawed now. In his prime he could afford to play this style of game. But now he is in decline, he needs to change his game and adapt. all the other greats did. This team hasnt been right pretty much since that 8-0 start. Once kobe resorted to Kobe ball, we became a much less dangerous team.

What Kobe ball did he resort to?

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His shot attempts each game in December. How dare he attempt 18 shots per game in any given month.:rolleyes:

The blame for the Lakers recent struggle lies on the whole team. Not just Kobe. Not just Gasol. Not just the bench. Not just the coaching staff.

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

Kobe always took bad shots. That's his whole career. But that doesn't mean other superstars never took bad shots, it just that Kobe is the type of player that goes into a frustrating shooting slump, then all of the sudden he starts shooting like 60% or around 50% when he's hot.

This isn't new, and you can't criticize them for one game. But the Lakers haven't been playing well in general.

Isn't he battling injuries too? But gott'a give the Spurs and Heat credit. They did pretty well defensively against Kobe.


If he is battling injuries why force it? It doesnt make sense. I know Kobe is a warrior like A.I. but c'mon your ****ing 32 years old and trying to win a title.

He needs to rest if he is injured and come back when he is like 95% healthy.

[chris2010]

and magic and bird and jordan didn't have a top 3 team when they went to the finals every year? why is this used as a negative for KB:facepalm

apart from 1 series from Magic, they didnt have to wise up to bail themselves out or have teamates clean up after them when they screwed up. They raised their level of play

[Hulk Hogan]

What Kobe ball did he resort to?

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His shot attempts each game in December. How dare he attempt 18 shots per game in any given month.:rolleyes:

The blame for the Lakers recent struggle lies on the whole team. Not just Kobe. Not just Gasol. Not just the bench. Not just the coaching staff.

But But... This is the only oppurtunity we have to converge on Kobe and you ruined it!!! :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

[chris2010]

What Kobe ball did he resort to?

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His shot attempts each game in December. How dare he attempt 18 shots per game in any given month.:rolleyes:

The blame for the Lakers recent struggle lies on the whole team. Not just Kobe. Not just Gasol. Not just the bench. Not just the coaching staff.

Who did they play against each game and what was the outcome? I agree. The whole team is screwing around. But thats for Kobe to step up, correct the ship. No one else on the team could.

[ashbelly]

:lol :lol

But they do have Bynum and Gasol who can both contribute.

Gasol can give you 22 point a night and Bynum can give you 18-20 points if he is given proper minutes.

And when you have the best frontcourt in the NBA your bigs need touches there is no need for Kobe to be taking 20+ shots a game

Yesterdays game was him going into the olympic mode, just taking a tonne of shots with no regards for his team mates. :oldlol: Apart from fisher and Phil, no one else will dare say shit when he does it. in the Olympics, Wade and lebron would create their own shots, taking a break from his bricks.

[bl2k8]

apart from 1 series from Magic, they didnt have to wise up to bail themselves out or have teamates clean up after them when they screwed up. They raised their level of play
that's not what i asked him. Why is this guy acting like Magic and Bird and jordan weren't top 3 teams when they went to the finals every year

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

Who did they play against each game and what was the outcome? I agree. The whole team is screwing around. But thats for Kobe to step up, correct the ship. No one else on the team could.

that month the Lakers only played 3 teams over 500% and lost all the games:lol

[ginobli2311]

and magic and bird and jordan didn't have a top 3 team when they went to the finals every year? why is this used as a negative for KB:facepalm

of course they did. nobody is saying otherwise. you confuse my point.

the difference is that kobe has played much worse on the biggest stage in the nba finals than those guys did.

nobody would be bringing up team strength if kobe played at the level of magic or bird or jordan or duncan or shaq or hakeem in the nba finals.

and nobody would bring it up if kobe was playing the right way and was actually dominating. that is the difference.

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

and the negging continues :lol :lol

[bl2k8]

of course they did. nobody is saying otherwise. you confuse my point.

the difference is that kobe has played much worse on the biggest stage in the nba finals than those guys did.

nobody would be bringing up team strength if kobe played at the level of magic or bird or jordan or duncan or shaq or hakeem in the nba finals.

and nobody would bring it up if kobe was playing the right way and was actually dominating. that is the difference.
of course they did but they never had it applied as a negative:facepalm

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

of course they did. nobody is saying otherwise. you confuse my point.

the difference is that kobe has played much worse on the biggest stage in the nba finals than those guys did.

nobody would be bringing up team strength if kobe played at the level of magic or bird or jordan or duncan or shaq or hakeem in the nba finals.

and nobody would bring it up if kobe was playing the right way and was actually dominating. that is the difference.

yeah as a first option or when Kobe trys to be the first option(cough cough 04 Finals) Kobe struggles the only Finals Series Kobe didnt struggle in was 09 where he went up agaisnt Courntey Lee .................................. let me remind you the dude was a rookie

[chris2010]

that month the Lakers only played 3 teams over 500% and lost all the games:lol

I dont wanna laugh about it. We are not playing well. From top to bottom issues need to be solved. the leader of this team needs to lead by example

[shlver]

Who did they play against each game and what was the outcome? I agree. The whole team is screwing around. But thats for Kobe to step up, correct the ship. No one else on the team could.
You backpedal on every statement you make.

[ginobli2311]

of course they did but they never had it applied as a negative:facepalm

nah man. kobe's play in the finals simply isn't on par with the other uber elite players of all time.

i don't have the time. put if you put up kobe's finals averages and compared them to guys like shaq/duncan/jordan/bird/magic/hakeem...etc.

it would be a night and day difference.

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

I dont wanna laugh about it. We are not playing well. From top to bottom issues need to be solved. the leader of this team needs to lead by example


yeah and stop chucking up shots like your PRIME Ricky Davis

dude should be passing it to Gasol or Bynum two good post scorers

[hotsizzle]

sorry. what you say is simply not true.

kobe has not dominated the league for 14 years. in fact, the word dominance doesn't really fit well with kobe.

kobe did not turn into an elite player until his 5th year in the league. this season will be kobe's 11th season as an elite player. so lets get that straight first.

7 finals appearances? that is amazing. however, kobe has had a top 3 team in the league around him in 12 of his 15 years in the league if you count this year. so lets not revise history and pretend that kobe carried teams to the finals or got average teams to far in the playoffs. didn't happen.

what we are saying is that kobe needs to learn how to play team ball. sorry, but he's just been flat out lucky that he could play the way he does and still win titles. most players don't play with half the help or coaching that kobe has had in all but three of his years in the league.

if you really think his style of play is a winning style going up against a team that can match the talent of the lakers....more power to you. but i strongly disagree and we've seen the evidence in 03 and 04 and 08 and really last year in the finals again.

You took what I said too literally. I just meant he had a dominant career. I know he didn't start dominating until he was 3-4 years in. Trust me, I;ve followed this guy his whole career.

Kobe knows how to play, you don't get to where he has without knowing how to play team ball. Kobe's greatest flaw is also his greatest strength and that is, he has supreme confidence in himself...this does lead to him thinking he can do it himself at times. But his style of play is a winning style, simply because it has worked out pretty well so far, would you not agree? He was the main facilitator on those early 2000s Laker teams and has been the primary scorer/facilitator on this current Laker squad. And hes done a pretty damn good job at it. Again, just look at the results. You can keep calling him lucky or whatever but no one wins alone. Jordan, Magic, Bird didn't win with scrubs...the fact is, he was a main piece to 5 championship squads in the last 11 years. Either way you slice it, he is a winner and knows how to play this game.

[chris2010]

You backpedal on every statement you make.

how am I backpedaling? sure, he may throw up 27 shots against some sub .500 team and we still win. But his game plan has been failing as of late when the rest of his team begins to falter. No way would MJ, Bird, Magic, Russel keep chucking up shots b/c the rest of his teamates become disinterested in playing anymore. He should put his energy into involving them and making them unbeatable come playoff time.

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

how am I backpedaling? sure, he may throw up 27 shots against some sub .500 team and we still win. But his game plan has been failing as of late when the rest of his team begins to falter. No way would MJ, Bird, Magic, Russel keep chucking up shots b/c the rest of his teamates become disinterested in playing anymore. He should put his energy into involving them and making them unbeatable come playoff time.
:cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

Feed the post

run plays

find open shooter

Kobe is a playmaker an underrated passer as well but thats only when he wants to be.

[ginobli2311]

You took what I said too literally. I just meant he had a dominant career. I know he didn't start dominating until he was 3-4 years in. Trust me, I;ve followed this guy his whole career.

Kobe knows how to play, you don't get to where he has without knowing how to play team ball. Kobe's greatest flaw is also his greatest strength and that is, he has supreme confidence in himself...this does lead to him thinking he can do it himself at times. But his style of play is a winning style, simply because it has worked out pretty well so far, would you not agree? He was the main facilitator on those early 2000s Laker teams and has been the primary scorer/facilitator on this current Laker squad. And hes done a pretty damn good job at it. Again, just look at the results. You can keep calling him lucky or whatever but no one wins alone. Jordan, Magic, Bird didn't win with scrubs...the fact is, he was a main piece to 5 championship squads in the last 11 years. Either way you slice it, he is a winner and knows how to play this game.

totally agree. i never said he wasn't a winner and never said he didn't know how to play.

i simply said that kobe has been lucky to play on such loaded teams throughout his entire career and many times it was his team strength that allowed him to be put into a position to win in the playoffs. i never said this wasn't true for other greats. i just think its more of a factor with kobe because he's never dominated at the clip the other guys you mention did.

but again. this is why rings are over-rated. the lakers could have easily lost to the thunder last year. if kobe was on just a very good squad, and not an uber loaded squad....they probably would have lost.

so i'm not saying this only about kobe. its about how some guys get into situations where if they play poorly....there team has no chance to win. lebron is a great example of this. kg in minny was a great example of this. hakeem was a good example of this. duncan in 03 was a great example of this. jordan for most of his career was an example of this.

i'm not saying to discount kobe's titles. i'm saying his level of play and impact hasn't been worthy of a lot of the praise i see.

but that is just my opinion.

and as always it boils down to level of play and impact. if kobe plays great and the right way....i don't care how stacked his team is. its only when i turn on the tv and see him jacking up 18 terrible shots in game 7 of the nba finals in arguably the biggest game of his career. something just doesn't seem right about that. and the reason i'm so hard on him is that it pains me to see such a great player hurt himself so much.

[chris2010]

:cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

Feed the post

run plays

find open shooter

Kobe is a playmaker an underrated passer as well but thats only when he wants to be.

this. The laker offense is a beautiful thing to watch when its being ran to perfection. Kobe has played in that offense most of his career. he needs to run it. And on defense he needs to lead by example. Like Chandler does on dallas, or KG on the celtics, or billups on the nuggets when he first got there

[bl2k8]

nah man. kobe's play in the finals simply isn't on par with the other uber elite players of all time.

i don't have the time. put if you put up kobe's finals averages and compared them to guys like shaq/duncan/jordan/bird/magic/hakeem...etc.

it would be a night and day difference.
I'm not talking about his averages, I'm pointing out the kobe is the only top ten player that gets shitted on for having a top 3 team when he reaches the finals. People go at anything they can for Kb. People scream 6/24 all day but I don't hear anybody screaming 10/27 for Duncan

[chris2010]

I'm not talking about his averages, I'm pointing out the kobe is the only top ten player that gets shitted on for having a top 3 team when he reaches the finals. People go at anything they can for Kb. People scream 6/24 all day but I don't hear anybody screaming 10/27 for Duncan

idc about duncan going 10 for 27 b/c he isnt in laker uniform

[LilBTheBasedGod]

Their system has just been too heavily dependent on Kobe for a while now, it worked when he was productive, but now its coming back to haunt them.

[ginobli2311]

I'm not talking about his averages, I'm pointing out the kobe is the only top ten player that gets shitted on for having a top 3 team when he reaches the finals. People go at anything they can for Kb. People scream 6/24 all day but I don't hear anybody screaming 10/27 for Duncan

because its a pattern with kobe. and an anomaly with duncan. that is the difference.

7 trips to the finals and i think kobe is shooting 40% for his average or close to it. come on man. and he's somehow won 5 of the 7......if that doesn't speak to extreme team strength that a primary scorer can be that ineffecient and still win 5 of 7 titles i don't know what will.

everyone has bad games and bad series. but don't you think kobe's level of play in the finals has been pretty bad compared to the other all time greats?

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

this. The laker offense is a beautiful thing to watch when its being ran to perfection. Kobe has played in that offense most of his career. he needs to run it. And on defense he needs to lead by example. Like Chandler does on dallas, or KG on the celtics, or billups on the nuggets when he first got there

Kobe defense is good what are you talking about?

[hotsizzle]

how am I backpedaling? sure, he may throw up 27 shots against some sub .500 team and we still win. But his game plan has been failing as of late when the rest of his team begins to falter. No way would MJ, Bird, Magic, Russel keep chucking up shots b/c the rest of his teamates become disinterested in playing anymore. He should put his energy into involving them and making them unbeatable come playoff time.

Again, I just outlined for you his shot attempts in December. What do you mean by his gameplan as of late? Surely you cant be making this big of a deal out of one game? He is averaging 18 shots/gm in December... I don't understand why you are acting like Kobe is taking 25+ shots a night..he is not.

He did not play a good game last night at all, he sabotaged the team, he should have quit shooting.. all that I agree with. But the theme around here seems to be that Kobe is taking 27 shots every night. That is simply not the case

And you are wrong...Jordan and even Bird have gone into "**** you guys" modes when they were upset with teammates and chucked. Bird not as much but MJ did. It comes with the territory of being uber competitve coupled with frustrations of losing.

[chris2010]

Their system has just been too heavily dependent on Kobe for a while now, it worked when he was productive, but now its coming back to haunt them.

the triangle offense is an equal opp. offense. it shouldnt rely on one player. Lately, i barely see them running it :(

[chris2010]

Kobe defense is good what are you talking about?

individually he is good. But i mean he isnt making his teamates better defenders, get what Im saying? Like before KG in Boston Pierce wasnt that good of a defender, Allen wasnt that good of a defender.

The lakers defense definitely needs improvement. Defense wins championships

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

yeah he is clearly declining even Stevie Wonders can see that.

This is why Kobe and A.I are so similar they both have killer mentality and have the a lot of confidence which is a good thing but it also hurts them/team @ the same time

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

individually he is good. But i mean he isnt making his teamates better defenders, get what Im saying? Like before KG in Boston Pierce wasnt that good of a defender, Allen wasnt that good of a defender.

The lakers defense definitely needs improvement. Defense wins championships

yeah like being a defensive anchor

Lebron & Wade are doing that for Miami

[chris2010]

Again, I just outlined for you his shot attempts in December. What do you mean by his gameplan as of late? Surely you cant be making his big of a deal out of one game? He is averaging 18 shots/gm in December... I don't understand why you are acting like Kobe is taking 25+ shots a night..he is not.

He did not play a good game last night at all, he sabotaged the team, he should havge quit shooting.. all that I agree with. But the theme around here seems to be that Kobe is taking 27 shots every night. That is simply not the case

his gameplan is forget everyone else im going to just score to keep us in the game. he needs to kick himself and the other players in the ass and play together.

[ginobli2311]

Again, I just outlined for you his shot attempts in December. What do you mean by his gameplan as of late? Surely you cant be making his big of a deal out of one game? He is averaging 18 shots/gm in December... I don't understand why you are acting like Kobe is taking 25+ shots a night..he is not.

He did not play a good game last night at all, he sabotaged the team, he should havge quit shooting.. all that I agree with. But the theme around here seems to be that Kobe is taking 27 shots every night. That is simply not the case

its not just about shot volume. its about shot selection. kobe takes way too many shots outside of the triangle. just look at the recent quotes from bynum and gasol. odom has a quote complaining about not playing team ball in the finals last year.

look at 03 and 04 for kobe. throughout his entire career he's created controversy by not playing within his teams' offensive systems.

last night was a perfect example. and agian...its a pattern...not an anomaly. could you imagine manu jacking up 25 shots last night? LOL...it would never ever happen. never.

shit gets old after a while. how long have we all been saying "shit kobe...stop jacking up terrible shots"

we've been saying it since his rookie year.

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

its not just about shot volume. its about shot selection. kobe takes way too many shots outside of the triangle. just look at the recent quotes from bynum and gasol. odom has a quote complaining about not playing team ball in the finals last year.

look at 03 and 04 for kobe. throughout his entire career he's created controversy by not playing within his teams' offensive systems.

last night was a perfect example. and agian...its a pattern...not an anomaly. could you imagine manu jacking up 25 shots last night? LOL...it would never ever happen. never.

shit gets old after a while. how long have we all been saying "shit kobe...stop jacking up terrible shots"

we've been saying it since his rookie year.
:applause: :applause: :cheers:

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

Pau Gasol shooting 14x a game is unacceptable for player that good i dont care who you play with 14 is not enough

[branslowski]

Pau Gasol shooting 14x a game is unacceptable for player that good i dont care who you play with 14 is not enough

True story....(Even though he gettin more shots than Duncan and KG, and is second option and Kobe avg 19 shot a game)...Still, true story..:cheers:

[hotsizzle]

its not just about shot volume. its about shot selection. kobe takes way too many shots outside of the triangle. just look at the recent quotes from bynum and gasol. odom has a quote complaining about not playing team ball in the finals last year.

look at 03 and 04 for kobe. throughout his entire career he's created controversy by not playing within his teams' offensive systems.

last night was a perfect example. and agian...its a pattern...not an anomaly. could you imagine manu jacking up 25 shots last night? LOL...it would never ever happen. never.

shit gets old after a while. how long have we all been saying "shit kobe...stop jacking up terrible shots"

we've been saying it since his rookie year.

You are right. His shot selection has always been questionable. No argument here. Its who Kobe is and it will always be Kobe. It is why his career average is 45-46%, its why he cant sustain 48% over an entire season. To me, that is MJ's biggest advantage over Kobe, better shot selection. See, to Kobe, he thinks every one of those shots is going in and that is why I said his greatest strength is also his greatest weakness.

Its honestly not that big of a deal though. 28/6/5 on 45.6% since receiving starter minutes (1999-2000 season). This does not diminish what the guy has accomplished because regardless of how he plays the game, he plays it a high level and most importantly, he wins.

[branslowski]

You are right. His shot selection has always been questionable. No argument here. Its who Kobe is and it will always be Kobe. It is why his career average is 45-46%, its why he cant sustain 48% over an entire season. To me, that is MJ's biggest advantage over Kobe, better shot selection. See, to Kobe, he thinks every one of those shots is going in and that is why I said his greatest strength is also his greatest weakness.

Its honestly not that big of a deal though. 28/6/5 on 45.6% since receiving starter minutes (1999-2000 season). This does not diminish what the guy has accomplished because regardless of how he plays the game, he plays it a high level and most importantly, he wins.

Yeah, imagine if he was a starter off the bat like other players he is compared too...These would be his numbers....And 45fg% actually isn't bad for a jump shooting shooting gaurd who takes crazy shots.:lol

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

True story....(Even though he gettin more shots than Duncan and KG, and is second option and Kobe avg 19 shot a game)...Still, true story..:cheers:

:lol :lol

Duncan and KG are both third option nice try thou

[ginobli2311]

You are right. His shot selection has always been questionable. No argument here. Its who Kobe is and it will always be Kobe. It is why his career average is 45-46%, its why he cant sustain 48% over an entire season. To me, that is MJ's biggest advantage over Kobe, better shot selection. See, to Kobe, he thinks every one of those shots is going in and that is why I said his greatest strength is also his greatest weakness.

Its honestly not that big of a deal though. 28/6/5 on 45.6% since receiving starter minutes (1999-2000 season). This does not diminish what the guy has accomplished because regardless of how he plays the game, he plays it a high level and most importantly, he wins.

again. totally agree. without a dout one of the best players ever. truly a great player.

my posts are generally in response to the people that come on here and say that kobe is better than player x because he has 5 rings. and my only problem with those statements is simply that other players were not in the same position to win as many rings as kobe.

for example:

using rings to say duncan is better than KG is idiotic. i think duncan was better for a number of reasons.....none of them have to do with rings. i hate that line of thinking because as great as duncan was, there was no way in hell he was winning a ring in minny with kg's teams. he might have had some better playoff sucess (like getting out of the first round more often), but he wouldn't have won anything.

so i just think its a really really flawed way to look at players unless a player has championship talent all around them for years and fails to win.

for example:

lebron/wade/bosh. if they fail to win multiple titles over the next 6 years, its fair to use that against them. but using kg's or dirk's or lebron's ring count to point to why they aren't as good as other players is silly.

generally speaking people do a good job of this unless its about kobe. you don't see too many "gasol is better than dirk all time" threads....although you are starting to see a few morons spew that garbage.

its like people on here telling me that no matter what wade could never surpass kobe because of kobe's longevity. really? so wade can't be an all time great player like kobe because he went to college? really? there is not set in stone criteria for ranking players. each player has different circumstances and we have to examine each different circumstance to arrive at an accurate conclusion. this whole rings vs rings thing gets really old.

why even debate if its all about rings.

kobe is better than shaq and duncan. hondo is better than all of them. hakeem doesn't even belong in the conversation. lebron sucks. malone and barkley suck. dirk sucks. blah blah blah.

[ginobli2311]

Yeah, imagine if he was a starter off the bat like other players he is compared too...These would be his numbers....And 45fg% actually isn't bad for a jump shooting shooting gaurd who takes crazy shots.:lol

a few issues with that:

1. he wasn't good enough to be a starter his first couple years on a good team

2. his numbers would go up...no doubt, but the number of titles won would have gone down if kobe was the main option early on in his career

the clash with shaq might have happened in 00 instead of 04 and kobe might be sitting here with 3 total titles insted of 5.

there was simply no way in hell kobe could have done what lebron did his first 3 years or what wade did his first 3 years.

[The_Yearning]

Kobe just being Kobe. All the naysayers will be back at playoff time to deem him the GOAT that only rivals Jordan.

[scm5]

Hey remember when Kobe broke his finger last season and started shooting about as poorly as he's been shooting this season?

Then the playoffs came, and though it took Kobe like 3 or games and a knee draining... he started putting up 30+ ppg easily on efficient shooting.

I agree that it's been hard watching the Lakers and Kobe especially, but goddamn, that guy did a complete 180 last season when the playoffs started.

[ashbelly]

Kobe just being Kobe. All the naysayers will be back at playoff time to deem him the GOAT that only rivals Jordan.

only his stans would do so. not anyone else .

[G-Funk]

U Gotta Take The Good With The Bad, Soon You Would Be Back Gloating About How Great Kobe Is....frontrunner

[ginobli2311]

Hey remember when Kobe broke his finger last season and started shooting about as poorly as he's been shooting this season?

Then the playoffs came, and though it took Kobe like 3 or games and a knee draining... he started putting up 30+ ppg easily on efficient shooting.

I agree that it's been hard watching the Lakers and Kobe especially, but goddamn, that guy did a complete 180 last season when the playoffs started.

only an idiot would count out kobe and the lakers.

but lets not ignore that maybe the awful defense of both the jazz and suns might have had more to do with kobe's scoring and efficiency. the thunder play good defense and made kobe struggle. the celtics played good defense and seriously hampered kobe.

its not a fluke that kobe looked great against two awful defenses and looked pretty damn bad against the good ones.

[ginobli2311]

Hey remember when Kobe broke his finger last season and started shooting about as poorly as he's been shooting this season?

Then the playoffs came, and though it took Kobe like 3 or games and a knee draining... he started putting up 30+ ppg easily on efficient shooting.

I agree that it's been hard watching the Lakers and Kobe especially, but goddamn, that guy did a complete 180 last season when the playoffs started.

only an idiot would count out kobe and the lakers.

but lets not ignore that maybe the awful defense of both the jazz and suns might have had more to do with kobe's scoring and efficiency. the thunder play good defense and made kobe struggle. the celtics played good defense and seriously hampered kobe.

its not a fluke that kobe looked great against two awful defenses and looked pretty damn bad against the good ones.

[BarberSchool]

A man's true nature...
...is revealed most...
...in times of adversity.

[N0Skillz]

1) yes i have a life. its called school, family, friends.
2)What are the other reasons? Gasol being soft as hell against KG? of course that was a reason
3)Maybe you dont know these guys, but they didnt have to try and score 30 pts a game. They actually had well rounded games. Jordan got his 30 but im sure he could have beat larry and magic at their own games. he has huge hands to help him do the job.
4) If his teamates got the ball more and got their offense going do you think that celtic defense would have stopped Odom, Bynum, Gasol, and the others at once? you give the celtic defense too much credit.

now you, shut the hell up

1) Lots of people have lives you moron, most of the people on this forum have jobs and families and they all can manage to watch more then a few games.

2)KG? The Lakers havent even played against the Celtics yet, which once again proves my point you have no idea what you are talking about.

3) Larry Bird has a averaged 30 points per game a season and Magic has also averaged 24 points per game. Maybe you don't know these players.... and maybe your confused about their positions Magic was a POINT GAURD and Bird was a FOREWARD.

4) RON ARTEST was 7 FOR 18. PAU GASOL was 6 FOR 16. ANDREW BYNUM WAS INJURED PLAYED 19 MINUTES AND WAS 1 FOR 5. THEY WERE STOPPED AND KOBE WAS THE ONLY ONE HITTING HIS GOD DAMN FREE THROWS. PAU GASOL was 7 - 13 FROM THE FCKN FREETHROW LINE.

[Calabis]

its not just about shot volume. its about shot selection. kobe takes way too many shots outside of the triangle. just look at the recent quotes from bynum and gasol. odom has a quote complaining about not playing team ball in the finals last year.

look at 03 and 04 for kobe. throughout his entire career he's created controversy by not playing within his teams' offensive systems.

last night was a perfect example. and agian...its a pattern...not an anomaly. could you imagine manu jacking up 25 shots last night? LOL...it would never ever happen. never.

shit gets old after a while. how long have we all been saying "shit kobe...stop jacking up terrible shots"

we've been saying it since his rookie year.

Don't forget Phil Jackson calling him out "Saying he wouldn't pass him the ball if he was a teammate"

[chris2010]

1) Lots of people have lives you moron, most of the people on this forum have jobs and families and they all can manage to watch more then a few games.

2)KG? The Lakers havent even played against the Celtics yet, which once again proves my point you have no idea what you are talking about.

3) Larry Bird has a averaged 30 points per game a season and Magic has also averaged 24 points per game. Maybe you don't know these players.... and maybe your confused about their positions Magic was a POINT GAURD and Bird was a FOREWARD.

4) RON ARTEST was 7 FOR 18. PAU GASOL was 6 FOR 16. ANDREW BYNUM WAS INJURED PLAYED 19 MINUTES AND WAS 1 FOR 5. THEY WERE STOPPED AND KOBE WAS THE ONLY ONE HITTING HIS GOD DAMN FREE THROWS. PAU GASOL was 7 - 13 FROM THE FCKN FREETHROW LINE.

1) like you? if you watched a few games its quite obvious that Kobe is seriously hurting the team. More than just FG%, but also not involving his teamates to make them showup.
2) Did I say the celtics played the lakers yet? I doubt I did. But they will be soon
3) Maybe your a ****ing moron who just assumes that b/c they averaged those #s that they were pure scorers. No, they were good all around players. They would average those pts per game if they had too. Or they would average 10 pts and like 13 boards a game if they had too. Of course i doubt you realize thats what i meant
4) So I guess Kobe couldnt have gotten some easy shots for those guys huh?:facepalm

[Optimus Prime]

As a true Lakers fan who has watched every Lakers game with NBA League Pass, I can say that the OP really doesn't know what he's talking about and is a possible troll. Probably not even a "true Lakers fan" like he claims.

Yes, Kobe's last three games have been brutal. But, who else has been stepping up? Gasol started out absolutely beastly, but with Bynum and then Ratliff out, Pau was playing a ton of minutes and just got worn down. There were games that were pretty much in garbage time, but Gasol was still in there with the bench because the Lakers had no bigs. I mean, Phil was playing Caracter as a Center for a while (to at least give Pau some sort or rest), and he's like what...a 6'9" rookie? Derek Fisher is basically useless out there. Ron Artest is horrible on offense this season. Shannon Brown started out super hot, but he has cooled substantially. Blake was nailing tons of threes but now is really struggling from range. Odom and Barnes are really the only Lakers who are playing consistently good. Bynum is finally back and is starting to get into gear.

Again, I know this because I have watched every Lakers game in its entirety (DVR is a wonderful thing!). Perhaps the OP should actually watch some more Lakers games before writing some diatribe about knowing emphatically that Kobe Bryant is the reason the Lakers are struggling right now.

Finally, gotta love all the Kobe haters just piling on and blindly agreeing. No really, Kobe has a tendency to chuck up bad shots and is getting older? Kobe played with one of the greatest bigs of all time with Shaq for his first three rings? Pau Gasol is really good? NO WAY! New and exciting information!

It's December. Let's see what Kobe and the Lakers look like in March or April before the Kobe Hate Train starts rollin', eh?

Edit: Typos :(

[chris2010]

As a true Lakers fan who has watched every Lakers game with NBA League Pass, I can say that the OP really doesn't know what he's talking about and is a possible troll. Probably not even a "true Lakers fan" like he claims.

Yes, Kobe's last three games have been brutal. But, who else has been stepping up? Gasol started out absolutely beastly, but with Bynum and then Ratliff out, Pau was playing a ton of minutes and just got worn down. There were games that were pretty much in garbage time, but Gasol was still in there with the bench because the Lakers had no bigs. I mean, Phil was playing Caracter as a Center for a while (to at least give Pau some sort or rest), and he's like what...a 6'9" rookie? Derek Fisher is basically useless out there. Ron Artest is horrible on offense this season. Shannon Brown started out super hot, but he has cooled substantially. Blake was nailing tons of threes but now is really struggling from range. Odom and Barnes are really the only Lakers who are playing consistently good. Bynum is finally back and is starting to get into gear.

Again, I know this because I have watched every Lakers game in its entirety (DVR is a wonderful thing!). Perhaps the OP should actually watch some more Lakers games before writing some diatribe about knowing emphatically that Kobe Bryant is the reason the Lakers are struggling right now.

Finally, gotta love all the Kobe haters just piling on and blindly agreeing. No really, Kobe has a tendency to chuck up bad shots and is getting older? Kobe played with one of the greatest bigs of all time with Shaq for his first three rings? Pau Gasol is really good? NO WAY! New and exciting information!

It's December. Let's see what Kobe and the Lakers look like in March or April before the Kobe Hate Train starts rollin', eh?

Edit: Typos :(

:facepalm
Once Kobe started going Kobe ball i noticed my team started failing. The rest of the team stopped caring. Its common knowledge you quit feeding the ball to your teamates they stop caring. I bet Gasol would be playing w/ more energy if he knew Kobe was actually going to trust him w/ the ball in his hands instead of taking contested 30 footers. I doubt you even watch the games, you just say you do to make yourself sound reasonable when by reading your post i could easily prove you wrong inside this short paragraph.

8-0 they were playing like a team. But then, Kobe bryant ball.

[Optimus Prime]

:facepalm
Once Kobe started going Kobe ball i noticed my team started failing. The rest of the team stopped caring. Its common knowledge you quit feeding the ball to your teamates they stop caring. I bet Gasol would be playing w/ more energy if he knew Kobe was actually going to trust him w/ the ball in his hands instead of taking contested 30 footers. I doubt you even watch the games, you just say you do to make yourself sound reasonable when by reading your post i could easily prove you wrong inside this short paragraph.

8-0 they were playing like a team. But then, Kobe bryant ball.

How would you know they were playing like a team then playing "Kobe Bryant Ball"? You've only watched a few games! You have no idea how they started 8-0 at all, or how they got to where they are now. Probably only watched the Christmas Day game and maybe a few more nationally televised games this year and deemed yourself an expert on all things Kobe and the Lakers.

I love how you glossed over all the facts I stated in my post and went to the ad hominem Kobe Bryant attacks. I have watched every minute of Lakers basketball this season. You are wrong. The only thing that you've "proved" is that you are indeed a troll. I will waste no more time on you.

[chris2010]

How would you know they were playing like a team then playing "Kobe Bryant Ball"? You've only watched a few games! You have no idea how they started 8-0 at all, or how they got to where they are now. Probably only watched the Christmas Day game and maybe a few more nationally televised games this year and deemed yourself an expert on all things Kobe and the Lakers.

I love how you glossed over all the facts I stated in my post and went to the ad hominem Kobe Bryant attacks. I have watched every minute of Lakers basketball this season. You are wrong. The only thing that you've "proved" is that you are indeed a troll. I will waste no more time on you.

Look at the FG % in the wins vs the losses. And against who they played. That just kills your argument. When they win, he shoots better and averages less. Everyone else gets the ball more when they need it. Its not hard to figure out. Ive been a lakers fan for years now and know how the team works.

[RoseCity07]

Call Kobe for his BS? Hasn't he done enough for the Lakers? Ungrateful.

[chris2010]

Call Kobe for his BS? Hasn't he done enough for the Lakers? Ungrateful.

I appreciate his contributions but that doesnt give him the right to do whatever the hell he wants either. he is not bigger than the team. If he is hurting the team it needs to be addressed and fixed

[heyhey]

After that Christmas game, I've pretty much lost ALL expectations from the guy. Just a couple years ago you always waited to see how much Kobe scored, or whether he'd have a crazy 40pt game. Now you're lucky enough to see him crack 30, and that's on GOOD efficiency. It's been very disappointing to be Lakers/Kobe fan this year. Talk about NOT playing to your standards.

why do you pretend you are a kobe fan?

Kobe is in full decline mode and that is indeed sad to watch. It's like MJ with the wizards, he cannot dominate for as long a stretch as he use to. It's up to him to change his mentality, take a more facilitating role and play more like Manu.

[chris2010]

lo thanks for the neggs whoever is doing it. Just cant wrap their heads around a laker fan calling out their star player when he isnt helping. some people just cant handle the truth. oh well:cheers:

[Optimus Prime]

Where are the haters now? Kobe shot 8-14 for 20 points. Is that "Kobe Bryant Ball" too? Because most of Kobe's games this year have been like that as opposed to the horrible Christmas game or the SA game.

[chris2010]

Where are the haters now? Kobe shot 8-14 for 20 points. Is that "Kobe Bryant Ball" too? Because most of Kobe's games this year have been like that as opposed to the horrible Christmas game or the SA game.

was his shot selection horrible? if not then no. Did he stagnate the offense and keep others from really getting anything going? Nope, then thats not Kobe bryant ball.

[ginobli2311]

Where are the haters now? Kobe shot 8-14 for 20 points. Is that "Kobe Bryant Ball" too? Because most of Kobe's games this year have been like that as opposed to the horrible Christmas game or the SA game.

what are you talking about. this game proves what we've been saying. the lakers are talented and deep and have legit players all over the floor.

there is no need to kobe to force up so many bad shots unless his team is just horribly stagnant or can't get anything going.

last night kobe just destroyed an offensive flow from the get go. tonight he did the exact opposite and didn't force things. he took good shots and created opportunities for his teammates.

a great game by kobe and the lakers in general.

i'm not a "hater"...if kobe plays well....i give him credit. i want all the players to play well on every team. i don't want the lakers to lose or suck or anything like that.

the only team i really care about is the mavericks. i hate all teams when they play dallas. outside of that...i really don't care.

i'd love to see kobe/lakers play great. it makes the league far more interesting.

you make it sound like we just hate not matter what. that is not the case. i just react to what i see. and i saw kobe play the right way tonight and the wrong way last night.

simple as that.

[chris2010]

what are you talking about. this game proves what we've been saying. the lakers are talented and deep and have legit players all over the floor.

there is no need to kobe to force up so many bad shots unless his team is just horribly stagnant or can't get anything going.

last night kobe just destroyed an offensive flow from the get go. tonight he did the exact opposite and didn't force things. he took good shots and created opportunities for his teammates.

a great game by kobe and the lakers in general.

i'm not a "hater"...if kobe plays well....i give him credit. i want all the players to play well on every team. i don't want the lakers to lose or suck or anything like that.

the only team i really care about is the mavericks. i hate all teams when they play dallas. outside of that...i really don't care.

i'd love to see kobe/lakers play great. it makes the league far more interesting.

you make it sound like we just hate not matter what. that is not the case. i just react to what i see. and i saw kobe play the right way tonight and the wrong way last night.

simple as that.
:cheers: this post is full of win. apart from the mavericks part. I have no beef against them though. but thats just me

[Optimus Prime]

what are you talking about. this game proves what we've been saying. the lakers are talented and deep and have legit players all over the floor.

there is no need to kobe to force up so many bad shots unless his team is just horribly stagnant or can't get anything going.

last night kobe just destroyed an offensive flow from the get go. tonight he did the exact opposite and didn't force things. he took good shots and created opportunities for his teammates.

a great game by kobe and the lakers in general.

i'm not a "hater"...if kobe plays well....i give him credit. i want all the players to play well on every team. i don't want the lakers to lose or suck or anything like that.

the only team i really care about is the mavericks. i hate all teams when they play dallas. outside of that...i really don't care.

i'd love to see kobe/lakers play great. it makes the league far more interesting.

you make it sound like we just hate not matter what. that is not the case. i just react to what i see. and i saw kobe play the right way tonight and the wrong way last night.

simple as that.

I wasn't talking about you. Your posts are decent and reasonable. :cheers:

I was more referring to the OP troll and the other haters who came in here blindly agreeing with his drivel. Kobe has had far more games like tonight this season than he has had games like the Heat or Spurs game.

[chris2010]

I wasn't talking about you. Your posts are decent and reasonable. :cheers:

I was more referring to the OP troll and the other haters who came in here blindly agreeing with his drivel. Kobe has had far more games like tonight this season than he has had games like the Heat or Spurs game.

if he did then why did we lose? Argue w/ facts all you want but its simple. When he takes better shots and usually less, they win. But when he starts taking bad shots and not involving his teamates they lose. Its not hard to understand

[gts]

As a true Lakers fan who has watched every Lakers game with NBA League Pass, I can say that the OP really doesn't know what he's talking about and is a possible troll. Probably not even a "true Lakers fan" like he claims.


he's probably just a kid he usually posts random nba stuff about all teams which is fine but he's never come off as a laker guy... most his stuff is off the wall like manu sees UFO's and "what if this happened" stuff

[chris2010]

he's probably just a kid he usually posts random nba stuff about all teams which is fine but he's never come off as a laker guy... most his stuff is off the wall like manu sees UFO's and "what if this happened" stuff

i dont post too often on here yeah. I dont go out and parade my team in a bunch of threads like ashbelly or other guys. oh, your bringing up a random post I did a month ago w/ the ginobilli thing? :applause:
Better to post stuff like the "what if this happened" than some thread on the kind of shoes an athlete wears or how much money they spend on a bday party.

[thejumpa]

he's probably just a kid he usually posts random nba stuff about all teams which is fine but he's never come off as a laker guy... most his stuff is off the wall like manu sees UFO's and "what if this happened" stuff

:oldlol: FYI, you guys are being trolled harddddddd

[chris2010]

:oldlol: FYI, you guys are being trolled harddddddd

oh, the club promoter gets in on it. I think the same guy who said that a club could make 500K in one night on the night before new years.:rolleyes:

[Optimus Prime]

:oldlol: FYI, you guys are being trolled harddddddd

Nah, I ignored the OP a long time ago when it was blatantly obvious that he was trolling.

[gts]

i dont post too often on here yeah. I dont go out and parade my team in a bunch of threads like ashbelly or other guys. oh, your bringing up a random post I did a month ago w/ the ginobilli thing? :applause:
Better to post stuff like the "what if this happened" than some thread on the kind of shoes an athlete wears or how much money they spend on a bday party.don't get a big head, i have never noticed you being a laker fan... i did a thread sort and that popped up, fact is of your nearly 30 threads created this is only the second one about the lakers and the other was asking what other players besides lakers could play in the triangle

[chris2010]

Nah, I ignored the OP a long time ago when it was blatantly obvious that he was trolling.
:applause: yet you still mention me. not just in here either. dumbass.

[chris2010]

don't get a big head, i have never noticed you being a laker fan... i did a thread sort and that popped up, fact is of your nearly 30 threads created this is only the second one about the lakers and the other was asking what other players besides lakers could play in the triangle

so b/c i dont go and post a bunch of laker threads im not a true laker fan? i dont really need to. there are plenty of those already around whenever i decide to log on.

[chris2010]

love the editing :cheers:
no you were the idiot who couldnt calculate lebrons nba salary plus all his marketing money he gets. and since he headlines an event he should draw in a ton of money. Man, if only that were true w/ miami heat home games

[LA KB24]

Lol @ this thread.

[thejumpa]

love the editing :cheers:
no you were the idiot who couldnt calculate lebrons nba salary plus all his marketing money he gets. and since he headlines an event he should draw in a ton of money. Man, if only that were true w/ miami heat home games

Fine. have it your way.....


oh, the club promoter gets in on it. I think the same guy who said that a club could make 500K in one night on the night before new years.

BTW I'm not really serious guys....I just like to troll on ISH all day. I pretend to be a hardcore Laker fan but no, I just like to troll. I've never even been to LA. Matter of fact, I can't even go outside the house without asking my mother first. I'm only 15 guys!

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[chris2010]

Fine. have it your way.....



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:cheers:

your such a gifted person at defending your points. when someone tries to get personal over a computer and not trying to prove a point, you can tell what they truly are. They are what they call someone else :oldlol:

[chris2010]

Lol @ this thread.

looking at the picture and your display name.... yeah we dont even need to know your opinion:pimp:

[jtj5002]

stop feeding the troll/retard
(i apologize if OP is really mentally ill)

[thejumpa]

:cheers:

your such a gifted person at defending your points. when someone tries to get personal over a computer and not trying to prove a point, you can tell what they truly are. They are what they call someone else :oldlol:

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[3243]

I don't think Kobe will age well, and I doubt he'll be able to pass the reigns to Gasol, Bynum, etc .

You can forget about Bynum because he is too injury prone, and when he is healthy, he is not that consistent.

It will be Gasol's team. And because Laker fans will want a superstar with charisma, and Gasol is a quiet sort, they will want Kevin Durant.

[beermonsteroo]

Let me start off that I am a proud laker fan. Kobe bryant is my favorite player b/c of his pure skill and toughness. I am a lakers fan 1st, kobe bryant fan 2nd.And the fact that he does not act like the typical star athlete- go out to parties every night, make statements on issues he doesnt have an educated opinion on, and go out of his way to proclaim himself as the greatest thing since the wheel.

However, watching that game last night just goes to show why Kobe cannot be mentioned in the same breath as the larry birds, the magic johnsons, the jordans, chamberlins, etc. Out of all those players I mentioned, none of them would have been playing this poorly this season. He may be putting up respectable stats compared to any other player, however stats do not tell everything. The few games ive been able to catch and the articles ive ready on my free time about the games the lakers have played this season, and checking the FG% for the wins and losses, I can tell Kobe is essentially a shell of his former self. His game is built on taking these impossible shots, and in his prime he was probably the greatest impossible shot maker of all time. No, Jordan rarely took bad shots. He did not need to. Jordan could get anywhere on the court whenever he wanted.

I will tell you one thing, none of the legends i mentioned would have missed 13 shots in a row in a statement game like last night. They would have been smart enough to quit shooting and focus on the other parts of the game such as defense, rebounding, facilitating, or just being an enforcer. None of the legends I mentioned would be putting up stats like this at the age of 32.They would not be playing like Kobe so far THIS SEASON though they knew it hurt their teams doing so
And another thing, Magic and Bird did not have to take a bunch of shots to be effective. They could dominate a game taking 9 shots- bc they were the most versatile players of all time. And idk if Jordan could dominate a game taking as many shots as Magic or Bird, however I think he would be smart enough to sacrifice shots and focused on other aspects of the game if in case his shot just wasnt there that night.

Kobe bryant is just stubborn, and being too caught up in catching Jordan. If he wants people to even consider him in the top 10, he needs to change his identity. He needs to transition from this 35 ppg scorer(he only averaged it once, but you would think the way he has been playing lately he is trying to replicate that again) to a 20 7 and 8 guy w/ a couple blocks and steals per game. And in the big games regardless whether it is playoffs or regular season, needs to play smarter. He almost cost us game 7 last year b/c he went into DA mode, if he keeps playing like this we will be lucky to get out of the 1st round. He already had a helping hand in cost us a dynasty w/ getting shaq sent away. Not to make Shaq look innocent himself, but Kobe could have risen above it. Magic got to the lakers and it was Kareems team. Kobe should have taken what Magic did to heart and done it w/ shaq.

The other greats were coachable. MJ was heading down Kobe's way for awhile there. But luckily 2 things happened: 1) the Bad Boy pistons. You are talking about one of the greatest defenses in the history of basketball to do what they did to Jordan who is the greatest scorer ever. After losing year after year he knew that he was going to have to help develop his teamates. 2) Phil Jackson managed to coach him into trusting his teamates. If only Kobe was that coachable. But I guess I would be asking too much from a guy who has a shot selection that would make Stevie Wonder look like Magic Johnson

:applause: :applause:

[mashbelly]

:applause: :applause:

:cheers:

[MrJohnWall]

Successful Troll Thread :facepalm

[White Mamba]

Look dude, we all know you are a troll using an old account. You only have 398 posts for crying out loud.:lol


Dude the whole premise of your opening statement is how Jordan is better than Kobe. :facepalm A true Lakers/Kobe fans would recongnize that everyone has bad games.

Wade early on this season had his share of bad games, one game he went 1/13 (missing 12 straight shots). Lebron had his share of bad games this season aswell..

Your thread is basically stating how Kobe shouldnt be compared with Jordan and so on.. You are a clear Jordan/Lebron nutgagger, Get over it! Kobe has two bad games and here you are. The perfect opportunity to spread your bs about how Kobe can't be named in the same breath as the greats. :no:

This bull crap gets old pretty quick! Its the same bs all over again from another gimmick account

This:applause:

everytime kobe had bad games they come out firing.

[Rambis]

Yep, been dealing for years with hate on Kobe, and then they win the title.

Perhaps he needs to adjust, but he will, and as some has said he will have to take a different role. Will he? It's a good question in 3 years he has a 30 million dollar annual salary, and he won't be earning that, that's for sure.

Regardless of all the whining here, Kobe is still a damn good player and in the playoffs or for any one game, he is still top 5 for the guy you want to win that game. Not too shabby.

[Johnni Gade]

Good post. Reality

[Naruto-sama]

i agree with the OP but i also think MJ was a much better passer to the open man when he was getting doubled, tripled than kobe ever was. MJ would ALWAYS hit that open guy with either a fake shot pass down low or cross court. just REALLY high bball IQ. kobe a lot of times seems to be way more about himself or at least the Lakers living and dying with him than giving it up sometimes and letting them finish. i mean theres a lot of times he just blinders the basket and you know he isn't passing it. his bball IQ just isn't there with some of the 'legends' and its very noticeable.

i also think people are downplaying it big time acting like he always was like this. kobe used to be a threat to score 40+ on any given night and catch fire especially from 3 where he's just nailing them like layups. i haven't seen that kobe in a long time. he's looked absolutely terrible the last few games with the exception of last night. he at least reigned it in and played efficient last night but i guess he realized he was hurting them or maybe Phil told him the deal.

anyways you either have to be completely dominating the boards, playing amazing defense, or something like that to make up for so many missed shots by your star player on a given night.

and kobe when he gets really old can always end up being a jump shooter in the league when his legs have nothing left. he could probably play a long time in the league if he wanted to just as a shooter.

[chris2010]

:pimp: just had to bump this

[Jacks3]

Yeah, Bryant's 18 shots per game really killed the Lakers in the PS.

[chris2010]

Highly doubt Kobe gives a shit about how angry you are. Its funny that after 14 years of pure dominance and winning, these people are acting like Kobe is such a flawed player. 7 NBA Finals appearances in 14 NBA seasons...ya this guy doesn't know team ball at all. You would think he would get the benefit of the doubt when him and his team are mired in a December slump

:pimp: and yeah. no rings for my lakers this year

[Papaya Petee]

lol @ the knee jerk reactions. Ya'll will be back on Kobe's dick when he's dropping 30+ a game in the Playoffs.
:roll: :roll:

How did that work out for you?

[OldSchoolBBall]

Yeah, Bryant's 18 shots per game really killed the Lakers in the PS.

His 23 ppg/45% shooting while being defended by a 72 year old player certainly didn't help. :oldlol:

[Jacks3]

Actually, 23 PPG on decent efficiency from your SG is helping.

He was more "helpful" than anyone of his teammates.

Pau had one of the worst post-season collapses I've ever seen from a star.

They had no bench, no shooters, and the only guys who really showed up were Bynum and Bryant.

But it's okay. 3 straight Finals, 2 straight championships. Can't be too mad.

Clown. :oldlol:

[Eric Cartman]

Actually, 23 PPG on decent efficiency from your SG is helping.

He was more "helpful" than anyone of his teammates.

Pau had one of the worst post-season collapses I've ever seen from a star.

They had no bench, no shooters, and the only guys who really showed up were Bynum and Bryant.

But it's okay. 3 straight Finals, 2 straight championships. Can't be too mad.

Clown. :oldlol:

Exatcly. What do you expect when Artest and Gasol play like dogsh*t. Their bench also took a step back from years past.

[Jacks3]

Clowns like Loki will do whatever they can to pin blame on blame Bryant.

[LA_Showtime]

Actually, 23 PPG on decent efficiency from your SG is helping.

He was more "helpful" than anyone of his teammates.

Pau had one of the worst post-season collapses I've ever seen from a star.

They had no bench, no shooters, and the only guys who really showed up were Bynum and Bryant.

But it's okay. 3 straight Finals, 2 straight championships. Can't be too mad.

Clown. :oldlol:

Exactly. At least Kobe tried for a 4th straight Finals appearance. Jordan gave up and played baseball.

[BEAST Griffin]

Actually, 23 PPG on decent efficiency from your SG is helping.

He was more "helpful" than anyone of his teammates.

Pau had one of the worst post-season collapses I've ever seen from a star.

They had no bench, no shooters, and the only guys who really showed up were Bynum and Bryant.

But it's okay. 3 straight Finals, 2 straight championships. Can't be too mad.

Clown. :oldlol:

I'm sure you give him the most credit if they win. And now you refuse to credit him with a loss.

:oldlol:

Newslash: Kobe Bryant did not step up. Kobe Bryant did not take over.

And maybe if he played a lick of D the Mavs perimeter would've had a tougher time in the series.

[Doranku]

:roll: :roll:

How did that work out for you?

How did the Championship Cruise work out for you? :roll: :roll:

I see you're one of the lucky ones that found a lifeboat! I guess Heat007 and PurpleChuck weren't so lucky... :(

F*ckin' LOL @ a Heat fan talking game after what happened less than a month ago. Not to mention your scrub ass franchise and their 1* ring.

SMH...

[Jacks3]

I'm sure you give him the most credit if they win. And now you refuse to credit him with a loss.
Yeah, because the Lakers problems had little to do with him in the PS.


:oldlol:


Newslash: Kobe Bryant did not step up. Kobe Bryant did not take over.
Newsflash: Guy is 33, way past his prime, injured and nowhere near what he once was. It was clear during the reg season he wasn't the same dominant force.
Newsflash: The Lakers were coming off 3 straight Finals. How many teams have made it to 4 straight Finals?
Newsflash: The Lakers horrible bench, lack of shooting, and the terrible play of Pau Gasol were the reasons for the Lakers disappointing exit, not Kobe.

And maybe if he played a lick of D the Mavs perimeter would've had a tougher time in the series.
:oldlol:

And maybe if Pau, Odom, Blake, Brown, etc had played a lick of D the Mavs perimeter would have had a tougher time in the series. Oh, and the guys Kobe was guarding weren't the ones who were killing the Lakers.

Try again.

[RazorBaLade]

I'm sure you give him the most credit if they win. And now you refuse to credit him with a loss.

:oldlol:

Newslash: Kobe Bryant did not step up. Kobe Bryant did not take over.

And maybe if he played a lick of D the Mavs perimeter would've had a tougher time in the series.

so since u give him blame for loss i imagine u give him all credit for last 2 years? no u dont

o wait, all you guys thought pau was the best lakers player. you guys sure dont seem to be blaming him

flaming homos

[24r2]

:roll: :roll:

How did that work out for you?


:oldlol: :oldlol:
coming from a heat bandwagon junkee :oldlol:

[KB2009Champ]

:roll: :roll:

How did that work out for you?

Oh the irony :roll:

[Heavincent]

How did the Championship Cruise work out for you? :roll: :roll:

I see you're one of the lucky ones that found a lifeboat! I guess Heat007 and PurpleChuck weren't so lucky... :(

F*ckin' LOL @ a Heat fan talking game after what happened less than a month ago. Not to mention your scrub ass franchise and their 1* ring.

SMH...

:applause: :applause: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Dwade305]

:roll: :roll:

How did that work out for you?
:lol :lol

[Eat Like A Bosh]

Kobe knows how to get his teammates involved. There are times when he goes into Magic mode. And Bam, a blowout happens. But that's not his first choice of playing.

Can't blame him for the Dallas lose. Other than Bynum and Kobe, nobody else really showed up. Dallas was zoning it up, and no one else on that Laker team was hitting outside shots.

[gengiskhan]

Kobe knows how to get his teammates involved.

:roll:
:roll:
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:roll: :roll:

funnly as hell. Thats when I stopped reading.

[DMAVS41]

Kobe knows how to get his teammates involved. There are times when he goes into Magic mode. And Bam, a blowout happens. But that's not his first choice of playing.

Can't blame him for the Dallas lose. Other than Bynum and Kobe, nobody else really showed up. Dallas was zoning it up, and no one else on that Laker team was hitting outside shots.

Kobe showed up for the first 45 minutes of game 1. After that? Total non factor.

[Eat Like A Bosh]

Do you guys even watch the game?
Yes, there are times when Kobe is facilitating.
I'm saying Kobe's play is much like Michael J Fox in Teen Wolf.

[Micku]

The OP is right about a couple of things. Like he said Kobe is probably the best impossible shot maker. That's true. Not always a good thing though since Kobe have always taken bad shots. That's been his whole career.

But Magic and Bird do other things other than score. In fact, everybody thought that they could score more if they wanted to, but they did more to help the team.

Jordan was like Kobe and kept shooting. The difference between them is that Jordan get better shots and Jordan could do more things around the court, but he kept shooting most of the time.