these videos should end any debate of where the bullets that killed JFK came from

[-playmaker-]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13wfsdACktk&feature=related
JFK Asassination Magic Bullet Test (Part 1)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZRUNYZY71g&feature=related
JFK Assassination Magic Bullet Test (Part 2)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RCX3RdVHqo&feature=related
JFK Assassination - Head shot recreation (Part 1)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RX2phbWmgA&feature=related
JFK Assassination - Head shot recreation (Part 2)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1MGpPzpPII&feature=related
JFK Assassination 2nd shot entry wounds

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PD9EmX7R3I&feature=related
JFK Assassination - Pristine Bullet

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOCRfrR5PFA&feature=related
JFK Assassination Dealey Plaza Acoustic Evidence 2nd shooter

this is like 60 minutes worth of stuff but IMO it is absolute proof that there was no second shooter and that the bullets all came from the same location...and they even nailed down the exact window that every bullet came from...(all from the same window which Oswald was supposedly at)

this was an hour long episode on the History Channel...it was very well done IMO...

I think I got it all there...maybe not though...

[1987_Lakers]

I can't believe people still think Oswald acted alone.

[1987_Lakers]

The "wink" right after the assassination.
http://www.lookingglassnews.org/commentarys/300806wink.jpg

LBJ's mistress
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79lOKs0Kr_Y


Deathbed Confession of E Howard Hunt
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bknUDgKdEJQ

[Legend of Josh]

JFK like 9/11 ... inside job. I know it hurts. The truth is not always flowers and sunshine. Darkness exists. Yes, even within our own government. I know, I know, "NOT IN AMERICA!" but yes folks, even here in the states, shit goes down. It's OK though. Power in numbers. The OP and everyone of the like can keep looking the other way and keep searching for youtube videos to help keep their sanity and think everything is A-O-K. Sooner or later, you'll have to just give in and come to the realization that even our own nation has fu*ked up from behind.

Sad shit I know. I hate it just as much as you all do. Difference is, I'm not going to keep on pretending like nothing is going on. Wake the fu*k up people.

[-playmaker-]

if you watch those videos you will know that there was just one shooter...

not saying who the shooter was...but just saying there was just one shooter...and he was in that window

[Legend of Josh]

if you watch those videos you will know that there was just one shooter...

not saying who the shooter was...but just saying there was just one shooter...and he was in that window

Yeah, because watching YouTube videos equates to 100% FACT not fiction.

[TonyJones]

Oswald was an FBI informant who thought he was hired to infiltrate right wing extremist groups. He was used as a patsy and thrown away.

The CIA killed JFK because he refused to play their games. They killed his brother also because he was close to being president and was probably going to reopen the investigation into his brother's death.

[ErhnamDjinn]

its the dude from Black ops he's the shooter

[-playmaker-]

Yeah, because watching YouTube videos equates to 100% FACT not fiction.
It is the History Channel...I know YouTube has a bad rep fo this stuff but this isn't some kids with a camera that uploaded some shit to YouTube

watch them...you will be convinced...they did a fantastic job

[Legend of Josh]

It is the History Channel...I know YouTube has a bad rep fo this stuff but this isn't some kids with a camera that uploaded some shit to YouTube

watch them...you will be convinced...they did a fantastic job

Like many other things, I've seen this footage and whatnot over and over dozens and dozens of times. Just because The History Channel aired it doesn't mean it's truth.

Mythbusters did some whack half ass stunt on how the moon landing was legit... when it's soooooooo obvious it was fake as fu*k.

[IcanzIIravor]

JFK like 9/11 ... inside job. I know it hurts. The truth is not always flowers and sunshine. Darkness exists. Yes, even within our own government. I know, I know, "NOT IN AMERICA!" but yes folks, even here in the states, shit goes down. It's OK though. Power in numbers. The OP and everyone of the like can keep looking the other way and keep searching for youtube videos to help keep their sanity and think everything is A-O-K. Sooner or later, you'll have to just give in and come to the realization that even our own nation has fu*ked up from behind.

Sad shit I know. I hate it just as much as you all do. Difference is, I'm not going to keep on pretending like nothing is going on. Wake the fu*k up people.

What is your evidence that 9/11 was an inside job?

[Meticode]

I don't know, I don't care. :banana:

[-playmaker-]

Like many other things, I've seen this footage and whatnot over and over dozens and dozens of times. Just because The History Channel aired it doesn't mean it's truth.

Mythbusters did some whack half ass stunt on how the moon landing was legit... when it's soooooooo obvious it was fake as fu*k.
this is extremely convincing...

to the point that I would call it proof even...

I don't see how it can even be debated after watching what they did there...

[Legend of Josh]

I don't know, I don't care. :banana:

You don't care if our own government conspires against us?

[Bosnian Sajo]

What is your evidence that 9/11 was an inside job?
:facepalm

[QUIZZLE]

From Urbandictionary.com


JFK-a.k.a. "The Magic Bullet" - Have a girl wear a blindfold while she is giving you head. At the same time, have a friend sneak in behind her and pleasure himself behind her. Both of you let 'em rip at the same time and nail the skank with goo from both sides of her head. She will always question if there was a second shooter or it was just a magic load.

[IcanzIIravor]

From Urbandictionary.com


JFK-a.k.a. "The Magic Bullet" - Have a girl wear a blindfold while she is giving you head. At the same time, have a friend sneak in behind her and pleasure himself behind her. Both of you let 'em rip at the same time and nail the skank with goo from both sides of her head. She will always question if there was a second shooter or it was just a magic load.

:oldlol:

[Meticode]

You don't care if our own government conspires against us?
Nope! If they are, what are you going to do about it!? :pimp:

[Legend of Josh]

Nope! If they are, what are you going to do about it!? :pimp:

That's besides the point... the fact that you could care less that your own country conspires against it's own citizens is dumbfounding.

[IcanzIIravor]

That's besides the point... the fact that you could care less that your own country conspires against it's own citizens is dumbfounding.

He has a valid point. You, Dooms and others are convinced their is a vast conspiracy and you want to convince others, but what happens next? What will you do to stop the conspiracy or do you wash your hands of stopping it and be content that you know of it?

[AirTupac]

He has a valid point. You, Dooms and others are convinced their is a vast conspiracy and you want to convince others, but what happens next? What will you do to stop the conspiracy or do you wash your hands of stopping it and be content that you know of it?

ISH will unite and fight the government. :pimp:

[Meticode]

That's besides the point... the fact that you could care less that your own country conspires against it's own citizens is dumbfounding.
I'm sorry, but I don't care. A government is going to conspire against you whether you want it to or not.

Now, if the government is doing this, what is next? What are you going to do? Remember, I don't care, but you seemingly care. So what is your plan of action! :banana:

[joe]

He has a valid point. You, Dooms and others are convinced their is a vast conspiracy and you want to convince others, but what happens next? What will you do to stop the conspiracy or do you wash your hands of stopping it and be content that you know of it?

The point is, if all citizens were actively engaged the government couldn't conspire very easily. Obviously that isn't the case in modern America and in just about any country, now or in history.

"What happens next" would be the system would be cleaned. The constitution would be restored, government transparency, the federal reserve act abolished. There are people out there who know what should happen next, but their voice isn't heard among the majority - A majority which doesn't analyze the situation or question the status quo. The type who think Democrats and Republicans are any different from each other in 2010, and who are scared of socialist but cry for universal health care.

[IcanzIIravor]

The point is, if all citizens were actively engaged the government couldn't conspire very easily. Obviously that isn't the case in modern America and in just about any country, now or in history.

"What happens next" would be the system would be cleaned. The constitution would be restored, government transparency, the federal reserve act abolished. There are people out there who know what should happen next, but their voice isn't heard among the majority - A majority which doesn't analyze the situation or question the status quo. The type who think Democrats and Republicans are any different from each other in 2010, and who are scared of socialist but cry for universal health care.

How do you go from A to Z though? It's easy give out vague assurances on what knowing will do, but the devil is in the details. I've seen a lot of theories, but very thin on the facts while talking about a vast conspiracy.

[-playmaker-]

I didn't really want this to be a conspiracy thread, although I understood that is where it would likely go...

I really wanted to just show that with new technology we have pretty much proven the idea of a second shooter is false now...



you guys might not watch all those vids, but if you think there is a chance there was a second shooter on the grassy knoll, or anywhere else, you are wrong...

they where able to pin point every bullet...and they all came from THAT WINDOW, and they all came from THAT RIFLE too...

[Mr. Grieves]

http://www.picturesforsadchildren.com/comics/00000366.jpg

[joe]

How do you go from A to Z though? It's easy give out vague assurances on what knowing will do, but the devil is in the details. I've seen a lot of theories, but very thin on the facts while talking about a vast conspiracy.

I tend to agree with you on a few points. I'm not really commenting on the "vast conspiracies," because frankly, there are enough problems to worry about before you even address them. Tangible problems that anyone could see with a bit of research.

The first and most important problem is that American citizens don't understand the constitution. The most important document in our history is hardly taught at schools. We're told that it happened, why it happened, broad outlines of what it did, etc. But never a thorough breakdown of every passage, until students can recite it without looking. Nowadays, people don't even care. They think the constitution is just protecting us from any evil politicians would potentially do, without realizing the constitution is disregarded and undermined constantly by todays lawmakers. If we followed the constitution by the book, to the tee... a huge amount of our problems would be solved.

The second problem is the federal reserve. If you don't know about them I strongly urge you to educate yourself. They're the company which prints the U.S. dollars. They make the money. Through various means this is wrecking our economy and selling us and fellow citizens into a life of economic hardship and indentured servitude. Please read or urge others you know to read.

Google Peter Schiff, and google Ron Paul. These two men know what they're talking about and understand the problems of our nation... they speak about them much more thoroughly and eloquently than I ever could.

[Riddler]

If you don't know about them I strongly urge you to educate yourself.

:oldlol:

I wouldn't count on anybody in the OTC to do that... People in here are too busy sharing the same attitude as Meticode:


I don't know, I don't care.

:banghead:



as for the videos in the OP... I need to watch them before I offer any opinions on how this could be proof that the shots came from the book depository window.

[Riddler]

first off... before I begin watching this video... I want to point out some of the more popular John F. Kennedy assassination conspiracy theories... based off what is in wikipedia... Because to be honest I don't even know what I believe regarding the way JFK was killed... I just know Lee Harvey Oswald sure as $hit didn't act alone... he very well may of shot him all by himself, but there was a obviously a bigger conspiracy behind it... I think the fact that Ruby killed Oswald immediately after the assassination should be reason enough for us to suspect a conspiracy... but let's also see what Wiki has to say about the shooting:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Kennedy_assassination_conspiracy_theories
John F. Kennedy assassination conspiracy theories



More than one gunman

The Warren Commission findings and the single bullet theory are implausible according to some researchers. Oswald's rifle, through testing performed by the FBI, could only be fired three times within five to eight seconds. The Warren Commission, through eyewitnesses, determined that only three bullets were fired as well: one of the three bullets missed the vehicle entirely; one hit Kennedy and passed through Governor John Connally, and the third bullet was fatal to the President.

The weight of the bullet fragments taken from Connally and those remaining in his body supposedly totaled more than could have been missing from the bullet found on Connally's stretcher, known as the "magic bullet". However, witness testimony seems to indicate that only tiny fragments, of less total mass than was missing from the bullet, were left in Connally.[26] In addition, the trajectory of the bullet, which hit Kennedy above the right shoulder blade and passed through his neck (according to the autopsy), supposedly would have had to change course to pass through Connally's rib cage and wrist.[27] In the Zapruder film Kennedy appears to move backwards in the last, fatal shot. Claims have been made that suggest his head jerks forward and then backwards.
Other evidence for the claim of more than three shots fired was the FBI photographs of the limousines, showing a bullet hole in the windshield of the vehicle above the rear-view mirror. The Warren Commission ignored the evidence. The Government's response was that it "occurred prior to Dallas".


I'd like to immediately point out that if what is in bold is true... then whatever is in this video is almost pointless and can no way prove there wasn't a second shooter... but I'll still give you benefit of the doubt and say it can still prove that the bullets killing Kennedy came from the 6th floor.

[joe]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5cCzDbtVnM

Watch this video. Starting at about the 1 minute mark, stare at the driver of the car. Look at nothing else but the driver. Focus on him hard. Then, watch as he turns to his right, looks behind his shoulder at the president, pulls out a GUN, and fires a shot right at JFK. The fatal wound.

The answer is in the link I posted. It's right there. Watch the driver. Look at nothing else. You will see.

[Jackass18]

"A 2003, Gallup poll reported that 75% of Americans do not believe that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone."

[Jackass18]

Mythbusters did some whack half ass stunt on how the moon landing was legit... when it's soooooooo obvious it was fake as fu*k.

Proof?

[IcanzIIravor]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5cCzDbtVnM

Watch this video. Starting at about the 1 minute mark, stare at the driver of the car. Look at nothing else but the driver. Focus on him hard. Then, watch as he turns to his right, looks behind his shoulder at the president, pulls out a GUN, and fires a shot right at JFK. The fatal wound.

The answer is in the link I posted. It's right there. Watch the driver. Look at nothing else. You will see.


So what exactly are you seeing in the Zapruder film? It is true that Greer turns to his right and looks back at JFK at the time of the head shot, a somewhat suspicious circumstance as Greer claimed he never looked back. Greer then faces front and the car accelerates. Equally suspicious is the fact that, contrary to Secret Service regulations which state that at the first sign of trouble the driver should accelerate out of the area, Greer actually hit the brakes at the time of the first shots bringing the limousine to almost a complete stop. He then looks over his right should at JFK as the head shot(s) are delivered and only then faces front and accelerates.

In those days it was customary for men to wear hair grease and Kellerman's hair was especially slicked down. Watch Kellerman closely and you will see the sunlight glinting off the top of his head. You will also notice that the "pistol" moves simultaneously with Kellerman's head. Also notice a few frames earlier when the sunlight gleams off both the top of Kellerman's head and Greer's. The brightness of the highlight is the same. As Greer turns to his right, Kellerman bends forward slightly and the sun fully catches the top of his head, The resulting bright highlight indeed is a horizontal L shape and could be misidentified as a gun, especially if one has been pre-conditioned to think of it this way. But notice as Kellerman's head moves, so does the shape. The brief flash seen is simply the sunlight reflecting off the metal rim of the bar frame for the privacy window, used when the top was on the car. That day, the top was down and the privacy window rolled down.

http://www.*****.com/general91/jfk.htm

That film is blurry, but watch the steering wheel carefully where the hands should be.

[JustinJDW]

It was the driver.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IHYSwK9Xac&feature=related

[northwinds]

The most troubling circumstance of the whole thing is that Jack Rubie, a Jewish strip club owner with ties to the Chicago mob, immediately takes out Oswald, supposedly because he was overwhelmed with patriotic fervor. Then he dies in prison not long after from cancer, having never really been interviewed by the press. That and the first time I saw the Zapruder film in 1973 or 1974 and saw the kill shot with Kennedy's head flying toward the back of the limo........I felt like I had been deceived for a very long time at that point.

[kNIOKAS]

guys you saw JFK the movie? it was one hard movie, i tell you. :cheers:

[shlver]

Regarding the driver theory.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BPyhsW_CNI
Both hands can be seen clearly with no gun.

[Crown&Coke]

IT WAS JACKIE O!

There are a lot of things that seem fishy about it to me.

The most critical fact to me remains how Jackie jumped onto the back of the car to grab JFK's dome. That to me proved it was an inside job, and Lee Harvey Oswald got used by the US to cover their tracks.

Literally, a second after her husbands head is blown off, she jumps up to grab his head. Not duck, not look in horror, not scream, but to jump up and grab that piece that flew off.

That is not reasonable behavior to me.

[IcanzIIravor]

IT WAS JACKIE O!

There are a lot of things that seem fishy about it to me.

The most critical fact to me remains how Jackie jumped onto the back of the car to grab JFK's dome. That to me proved it was an inside job, and Lee Harvey Oswald got used by the US to cover their tracks.

Literally, a second after her husbands head is blown off, she jumps up to grab his head. Not duck, not look in horror, not scream, but to jump up and grab that piece that flew off.

That is not reasonable behavior to me.

I hope you're joking. No one knows how they will react in a situation like that until it happens.

[pete's montreux]

i love how no one ever brings up the fact that oswald was once considered a sharpshooter in the military but was downgraded when he was discharged to marksman, he was fully capable of making all three shots from that range

and once again DOOMS you ignorant slut, why don't you pick up a legitimate book on the subject and read from an expert who has literally spent half his life dedicated to this subject? i linked the book and of course you ignored it, thats what you do, ignore things, right? why am i surprised?

[Crown&Coke]

I hope you're joking. No one knows how they will react in a situation like that until it happens.

In all reality, I am serious. Not the part that Jackie did it, but that she knew.

I understand that no one will react exactly how I think I would react.

But legally, say a person killed their spouse, the prosecution looks at their immediate and subsquent reactions and compares that to a "normal" set of reactions. I am just using that same logic.

If someone got their dome blown up 6 inches away from me, the first instinct I'm gonna have is to jump as if I was startled, or duck in fear. Not jump on the trunk and grab a piece of dome.

[Legend of Josh]

i love how no one ever brings up the fact that oswald was once considered a sharpshooter in the military but was downgraded when he was discharged to marksman, he was fully capable of making all three shots from that range

and once again DOOMS you ignorant slut, why don't you pick up a legitimate book on the subject and read from an expert who has literally spent half his life dedicated to this subject? i linked the book and of course you ignored it, thats what you do, ignore things, right? why am i surprised?

What's your beef with Dooms? What has Dooms done to you? You come off like you always got some shit to call him out on. You makes threads. Dooms makes threads. You don't have to pay attention to his threads or opinions, do you?

Why can't you keep things respectful?

[pete's montreux]

because i dont like conspiracy theorists, and i don't care enough to explain why, i already did like two weeks ago in another thread

ah stop acting like you care

[Legend of Josh]

because i dont like conspiracy theorists, and i don't care enough to explain why, i already did like two weeks ago in another thread

ah stop acting like you care

Stop acting like I care? Whatever dude. I'm just saying there's no need to be bashing people because they're passionate about something. You're passionate about things too... you have hobbies, interests, etc. Guess what dude! Other people do to! Just chill out.

[pete's montreux]

passionate? LOL

he does youtube research and reads abovetopsecret.com

aka never doing any legitimate research ever

[RidonKs]

Conspiracy enthusiasts (I call them that because sometimes I can't tell if they see it as a noble mission or a hobby) have reason to complain that they're laughed at and dismissed too often by people who see surface implausibility and assume actual impossibility. And given that the very nature of a conspiracy theory implies deducing facts from information that is intentionally incomplete, it's a pretty reasonable initial reaction for somebody to have. "You think what? But that's absurd!". Exactly. It's absurd because somebody attempted to make it seem absurd for their own purposes.

At the same time, a good portion of the blame for that typical reaction has to be dumped on conspiracy theorists as well. That certainly isn't to say that all truthseekers exaggerate. Every important topic with the sort of grand global implications that popular conspiracies tend to deal with has fringe believers from which the most radicalized ideas are endorsed. Like I mentioned before, because conspiracy theory itself is inherently radical compared to popular opinion, this just makes the crazies on the crazy end of the spectrum, all of which is crazy, seem all the crazier. Crazy, eh?

Point being, truthers are just as guilty of ignoring plain as day facts as sheep are of failing to see shadowy veiled facts. You can't use unsubstantiated rumours as grounds to fastbreak to unbelievably implausible conclusions, even if they aren't absolutely impossible conclusions. And the worst part of the whole game is selective evidence. It's practically selective consciousness. Literally choosing the bits and pieces of information to focus on and then blocking out the rest. What happened to the scientific method? A real conspiracist should first be a skepticist -- why, it was skepticism that lead them to conspiracy in the first place. Eliminate hypotheses one by one and refrain from enshrine any until all plausible competitors are put to rest.

It's a slippery slope in either direction. Your best bet is to stay perched on the highest fence you can, so as to see either side as clearly as possible.

[IcanzIIravor]

In all reality, I am serious. Not the part that Jackie did it, but that she knew.

I understand that no one will react exactly how I think I would react.

But legally, say a person killed their spouse, the prosecution looks at their immediate and subsquent reactions and compares that to a "normal" set of reactions. I am just using that same logic.

If someone got their dome blown up 6 inches away from me, the first instinct I'm gonna have is to jump as if I was startled, or duck in fear. Not jump on the trunk and grab a piece of dome.

You don't really know what you would do. You can say what you would do, but saying and doing are two different things. I refer you to the shooting in Arizona as an example. The lady who wrestled the magazine from the shooter initially wanted to run like so many other people did, but in a split second she made the decision to instead go down to the ground. The two guys who initially wrestled the guy to the ground could have ran like so many others, but they didn't. Instead they went after the guy.

To look at her with suspicion via her reaction to her husband being killed is silly. Clearly she was in shock and if you follow her reaction in the minutes, hours and days after you could clearly see the shock.

[DonDadda59]

Just from using simple observation you can tell that there were multiple shots from different angles. The first shot comes from behind Kennedy, enters his back, exits through his neck/chest, forces him to lean forward, and strikes the man sitting in front of him (the governor if I'm not mistaken) who clearly grimaces in pain and turns back. Then the second shot comes from Kennedy's right side, hits him on the side of the head and the force causes him to be knocked back and to his left, meaning the shot came from his right, slightly ahead of his position.

I don't see how one man can pull that off.

[-playmaker-]

Just from using simple observation you can tell that there were multiple shots from different angles. The first shot comes from behind Kennedy, enters his back, exits through his neck/chest, forces him to lean forward, and strikes the man sitting in front of him (the governor if I'm not mistaken) who clearly grimaces in pain and turns back. Then the second shot comes from Kennedy's right side, hits him on the side of the head and the force causes him to be knocked back and to his left, meaning the shot came from his right, slightly ahead of his position.

I don't see how one man can pull that off.
watch the vids...they explain it all in great detail...

infact it is such great detail that they break it down to the exact window...not a single bullet could have come from another place


FACT: all 3 bullets came from the same window and from the same rifle, if there was a second shooter then he was sharing that rifle and he was aiming out of the same window...

[DonDadda59]

watch the vids...they explain it all in great detail...

infact it is such great detail that they break it down to the exact window...not a single bullet could have come from another place


FACT: all 3 bullets came from the same window and from the same rifle, if there was a second shooter then he was sharing that rifle and he was aiming out of the same window...

I'll take a look at the vids later, but I'm sure I've seen them before if they're from the History channel... but I just don't see how the second headshot could've come from behind Kennedy. Just where the wound was and how his body reacted to the impact says it came from his right, slightly in front of him.

In-depth look into second shot (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVfIh-8nXyQ&feature=related)

[shlver]

I'll take a look at the vids later, but I'm sure I've seen them before if they're from the History channel... but I just don't see how the second headshot could've come from behind Kennedy. Just where the wound was and how his body reacted to the impact says it came from his right, slightly in front of him.

In-depth look into second shot (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVfIh-8nXyQ&feature=related)
It was shown by a doctor at Berkeley that it is possible for one's head to recoil back when shot from behind.

[Legend of Josh]

It was shown by a doctor at Berkeley that it is possible for one's head to recoil back when shot from behind.

Key word being 'possible' but sure as hell not probable. You could jump off a 50 story building and it's possible you may survive.

[shlver]

i love how no one ever brings up the fact that oswald was once considered a sharpshooter in the military but was downgraded when he was discharged to marksman, he was fully capable of making all three shots from that range

and once again DOOMS you ignorant slut, why don't you pick up a legitimate book on the subject and read from an expert who has literally spent half his life dedicated to this subject? i linked the book and of course you ignored it, thats what you do, ignore things, right? why am i surprised?
Assuming Oswald had the plenty time to fire the initial shot; he still had to have fired the next two in 7-9 seconds. He really threw the bolt, got the target in his sights and then led movement perfectly, and also got off a third shot that hit the target, all in ten seconds? That's some crazy shooting.

[shlver]

Key word being 'possible' but sure as hell not probable. You could jump off a 50 story building and it's possible you may survive.
No there are certain conditions where the head must fly back.

[Crown&Coke]

You don't really know what you would do. You can say what you would do, but saying and doing are two different things. I refer you to the shooting in Arizona as an example. The lady who wrestled the magazine from the shooter initially wanted to run like so many other people did, but in a split second she made the decision to instead go down to the ground. The two guys who initially wrestled the guy to the ground could have ran like so many others, but they didn't. Instead they went after the guy.

To look at her with suspicion via her reaction to her husband being killed is silly. Clearly she was in shock and if you follow her reaction in the minutes, hours and days after you could clearly see the shock.

Sir, I completely understand your pov, I honestly do. I know that my reasoning is not a "valid" set of reasons and I am not pining for people to follow my rationale.

But from the instant I first saw the JFK video in HS, that was my first thought. Not saying Im a genius, but Im not a complete idiot either. I look at things and formed my own perspective based on my eyes.

But in that split second, that reaction is what she has? The most honest reaction someone is going to have is right after the fact. And the reaction she had just doesn't add up for me.

I liken it to OJ taking off in his Bronco, saying he was scared. WTF? You were scared? so you took off and headed for Mexico? That doesn't sound like what an innocent person would do. Same thing for Jackie O. Her intial reaction is to jump out of the car and retrieve the head? Not fear? Not to look around? Not to duck?

She isn't a trained operative, where being shot at is the typcal days work. She was a pampered First Lady, I don't think gunfire is something she has any familiarity with.

The AZ incident was a bit different. The gunman was in clear view, they knew where the threat was and went forward from that point. The assasination was far from that. So I agree that no one would know their reaction, I safetly assume that the first reaction would be more a defensive reaction, and not an aggressive reaction like she had.

[DonDadda59]

Key word being 'possible' but sure as hell not probable. You could jump off a 50 story building and it's possible you may survive.

I agree. A lot of things are possible in theory but from the Zapruder film it's clear that Kennedy's head/body are jerked back and to the left with great force, and there's other evidence that would support the notion of the shot being fired from ahead/to the right (like in the vid I posted). You would expect a shot coming from behind to force his head/body forward, as well as brain matter/skull particles... but that's not what happened.

[shlver]

I agree. A lot of things are possible in theory but from the Zapruder film it's clear that Kennedy's head/body are jerked back and to the left with great force, and there's other evidence that would support the notion of the shot being fired from ahead/to the right (like in the vid I posted). You would expect a shot coming from behind to force his head/body forward, as well as brain matter/skull particles... but that's not what happened.
It's not a theory. It was clearly demonstrated.

[-playmaker-]

Don I am at work atm but later I will try to pin point the parts that explain that...I think there might be several long parts that break it down though...

is that the "magic bullet"?

anyway, they show how every bullet came from the same angle and even duplicated it with a replica body complete with replica skull and bones and flesh and brains and the model acts EXACTLY like JFK did to the point that even splatters of blood where the exact same...

this is like 911 truthers saying "buildings don't fall like that"...or "the hole is smaller than a plane makes"...or "that's not what a plane looks like when it crashes"...ect


but it isn't as simple as just watching video footage and saying what you think it looks like to you...

[-playmaker-]

now if we can just get the History Channel to make replica WTC buildings and then fly replica planes into them at the exact angles to show that everything happened without demolition...lol

[Legend of Josh]

now if we can just get the History Channel to make replica WTC buildings and then fly replica planes into them at the exact angles to show that everything happened without demolition...lol

Wow... you still believe it was a legit terrorist attack on us soil?

:facepalm

[Meticode]

Wow... you still believe it was a legit terrorist attack on us soil?

:facepalm
It was a terrorist attack on U.S soil. Unless New York, New York isn't part of the U.S any longer? :rant

[Legend of Josh]

It was a terrorist attack on U.S soil. Unless New York, New York isn't part of the U.S any longer? :rant

It's not technically a terrorist attack if we're enabling them to attack us without response. That's exactly what happened. So yeah, we virtutally attacked ourselves we simply let the enemy do what they wanted without interference.

[IcanzIIravor]

It's not technically a terrorist attack if we're enabling them to attack us without response. That's exactly what happened. So yeah, we virtutally attacked ourselves we simply let the enemy do what they wanted without interference.


How did we enable the 9/11 attacks? Could you explain this in detail?

[7forever]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5cCzDbtVnM

Watch this video. Starting at about the 1 minute mark, stare at the driver of the car. Look at nothing else but the driver. Focus on him hard. Then, watch as he turns to his right, looks behind his shoulder at the president, pulls out a GUN, and fires a shot right at JFK. The fatal wound.

The answer is in the link I posted. It's right there. Watch the driver. Look at nothing else. You will see.

Before killer Bill Greer shot jfk, he braked the limo to an almost complete stop. Notice the motorcycles and follow-up car suddenly stop.

http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/large-nix_h_GIFSoupcom.gif

http://www.acorn.net/jfkplace/09/fp.back_issues/27th_Issue/59_1.html
1) Houston Chronicle Reporter Bo Byers (rode in White House Press Bus)---twice stated that the Presidential Limousine "almost came to a stop, a dead stop"; in fact, he has had nightmares about this. [C-SPAN, 11/20/93, "Journalists Remember The Kennedy Assassination"; see also the 1/94 "Fourth Decade": article by Sheldon Inkol];

2) ABC Reporter Bob Clark (rode in the National Press Pool Car)---Reported on the air that the limousine stopped on Elm Street during the shooting [WFAA/ ABC, 11/22/63];

3) UPI White House Reporter Merriman Smith (rode in the same car as Clark, above)---"The President's car, possibly as much as 150 or 200 yards ahead, seemed to falter briefly" [UPI story, 11/23/63, as reported in "Four Days", UPI, p. 32];

4) DPD motorcycle officer James W. Courson (one of two mid-motorcade motorcycles)--"The limousine came to a stop and Mrs. Kennedy was on the back. I noticed that as I came around the corner at Elm. Then the Secret Service agent [Clint Hill] helped push her back into the car, and the motorcade took off at a high rate of speed." ["No More Silence" by Larry Sneed (1998), p. 129];

5) DPD motorcycle officer Bobby Joe Dale (one of two rear mid-motorcade motorcycles)---"After the shots were fired, the whole motorcade came to a stop. I stood and looked through the plaza, noticed there was commotion, and saw people running around his [JFK's] car. It started to move, then it slowed again; that's when I saw Mrs. Kennedy coming back on the trunk and another guy [Clint Hill] pushing her back into the car." ["No More Silence" by Larry Sneed (1998), p. 134];

6) Clemon Earl Johnson---"You could see it [the limo] speed up and then stop, then speed up, and you could see it stop while they [sic; Clint Hill] threw Mrs. Kennedy back up in the car. Then they just left out of there like a bat of the eye and were just gone." ["No More Silence" by Larry Sneed (1998), p. 80];

10) DPD Earle Brown---" The first I noticed the [JFK's] car was when it stopped..after it made the turn and when the shots were fired, it stopped." [6 H 233];

Greer pressed on the brakes in the Muchmore film. The brake light illuminates. 59 EYEWITNESSES ARE CONFIRMED BY 2 VIDEOS.

http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/killer-brakes_h_GIFSoupcom.gif
The Muchmore film suggests frames were removed from the Zapruder film - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrX8lsb2WTk)

[7forever]

How do you go from A to Z though? It's easy give out vague assurances on what knowing will do, but the devil is in the details. I've seen a lot of theories, but very thin on the facts while talking about a vast conspiracy.

Jean Hill saw Greer shoot Kennedy

She was just speculating that Greer was shooting back at whomever was shooting at the President. This was an easy way of saying it without exactly saying it. But in those moments she may have thought it because it would be shocking to see your President killed intentionally by the men who took an oath to protect him from assassination attempts. [B]Mrs. Hill clearly turned to the left as the limo passed by in response to the shots and Greer suddenly braking during his second turn to execute the coup de gr

[7forever]

The Governor of Texas, John Connally looked directly at jfk's real assassin immediately after the fatal headshot. The driver and ss agent (William Greer) fired that shot into the President's right forehead with the resulting bullet exiting the right rear. This case was proven and closed over four years ago. He kind of lifts his head up and pauses before hitting the floor.

Connally saw the fatal shot and quickly corrected himself, but his reaction when looking at Greer proves he slipped up. Watch him hit the floor in horror once he realized Greer shot JFK. The Governor, logically starting turning toward the driver because he was braking before he shot the President.

http://jfk-assassination.com/warren/wch/vol4/page136.php

Obviously, at least the major wound that I took in the shoulder through the chest couldn't have been anything but the second shot. Obviously, it couldn't have been the third, because when the third shot was fired I was in a reclining position, and heard it, saw it and the effects of it, rather--I didn't see it, I saw the effects of it--so it obviously could not have been the third, and couldn't have been the first, in my judgment.

http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/Greerconnally.gif

http://jfk-assassination.com/warren/wch/vol4/page133.php

So I merely doubled up, and then turned to my right again and began to--I just sat there, and Mrs. Connally pulled me over to her lap. She was sitting, of course, on the jump seat, so I reclined with my head in her lap, conscious all the time, and with my eyes open; and then, of course, the third shot sounded, and I heard the shot very clearly. I heard it hit him. I heard the shot hit something, and I assumed again--it never entered my mind that it ever hit anybody but the President. I heard it hit. It was a very loud noise, just that audible, very clear.

GREER FIRED RIGHT OVER CONNALLY'S HEAD and when he realized Greer fired it, he hit the floor, terrified. WATCH THE GOVERNOR.

http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t528/friscokid71/123jfk_zpsi7yt6dbf.jpg~original (http://s1312.photobucket.com/user/friscokid71/media/123jfk_zpsi7yt6dbf.jpg.html)
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[BlakFrankWhite]

Dayummm.

Jackie's was looking damn fine in that pink suit and haircut....would bang 10/10.

Btw its obvious it was LBJ,the military establishment and the cabal of elite conservatives who had JFK killed

[7forever]

Until recently, I never could find a good capture of frame 319 that depicts the rear exit wound. Frames 311-319.

Zapruder Frames - Costella Combined Edit (http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/)

http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t528/friscokid71/111ani311_319backleftzoom_zpsuvld0zly.gif~original (http://s1312.photobucket.com/user/friscokid71/media/111ani311_319backleftzoom_zpsuvld0zly.gif.html)htt p://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t528/friscokid71/87310cf7-9628-46ea-afd9-af09a77b8483_zpsq6ngyiqz.png~original (http://s1312.photobucket.com/user/friscokid71/media/87310cf7-9628-46ea-afd9-af09a77b8483_zpsq6ngyiqz.png.html)

[JerrySeinfeld]

watching that one angle in slow mo and still don't see it as the driver shooting jfk

[7forever]

watching that one angle in slow mo and still don't see it as the driver shooting jfk

It's really this simple. Greer's left arm did not extend back toward jfk in Zapruder, but surely did in both other films on the opposite (south) side of elm street.

I started looking at the Zapruder film almost exactly six years ago and it went from there. I got the closeup of Greer's arm going over in 9-2010. That's what's made it factual. I paid a guy a whopping thirty dollars to enhance it. Once that was clear this case was closed for everyone willing to look past all the nonsense that came before it. If Greer's left arm really moved back toward JFK just the way it appears to in Zapruder, then he was definitely the shooter. They apparently had to create a cartoon of Greer shooting jfk, which is quite comical to say the least.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xesq49_jfk-assassination-films-orville-nix_news#.URKMACLnbcc

http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/jfk__GIFSoupcom.gif
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/mormal_h_GIFSoupcom.gif
http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/fake-reflection_h_GIFSoupcom.gif

[KevinNYC]

It's really this simple. Greer's left arm did not extend back toward jfk in Zapruder, but surely did in both other films on the opposite (south) side of elm street.

I started looking at the Zapruder film almost exactly six years ago and it went from there. I got the closeup of Greer's arm going over in 9-2010. That's what's made it factual. I paid a guy a whopping thirty dollars to enhance it. Once that was clear this case was closed for everyone willing to look past all the nonsense that came before it. If Greer's left arm really moved back toward JFK just the way it appears to in Zapruder, then he was definitely the shooter. They apparently had to create a cartoon of Greer shooting jfk, which is quite comical to say the least.

This seems to be the type of conspiracy theory that only comes up once all the other theories have been shot down. So if this guy moved his arm THEN he shot Kennedy? Seems like a gigantic leap of logic.

Also so everyone in the car is in on conspiracy? Or they just decided to keep their mouth shut about a guy firing a gun three feet away from them?

Also if the plan was to shoot kennedy from the car, why not do it when it goes under the triple overpass? Where it would be darker with less witnesses? All they had to do was wait about 10 seconds.

http://www.kenrahn.com/Marsh/Dealey_Plaza/routemap.gif

[TheMan]

If you use logic and common sense, it's obvious Oswald didn't act alone. From those images, it doesn't look like Greer did it himself but it is very suspicious that he slowed down, almost to a complete stop as JFK is being shot at, the exact opposite on how they are trained to respond. It's as if he's purposely making the president a sitting duck :facepalm

Next, the whole Jack Ruby offing LHO is just so convenient, plus RFK's assassination a few years later as he was turning into a legit presidential candidate is also quite convenient...way too many circumstances that clearly show this shit wasn't done by a lone gunman. You gotta be quite naive to not believe there wasn't a conspiracy and a cover up. I've no idea who was behind this but it's fishy af.

[NumberSix]

Has anybody ever even considered if JFK might have had himself killed? :confusedshrug:

[dude77]

Has anybody ever even considered if JFK might have had himself killed? :confusedshrug:

http://cdn1.theodysseyonline.com/files/2014/11/14/635515967163120478318194316_michaelscott.gif

[TheMan]

Has anybody ever even considered if JFK might have had himself killed? :confusedshrug:
:biggums:
:facepalm

[KevinNYC]

If you use logic and common sense, it's obvious Oswald didn't act alone. From those images, it doesn't look like Greer did it himself but it is very suspicious that he slowed down, almost to a complete stop as JFK is being shot at, the exact opposite on how they are trained to respond. It's as if he's purposely making the president a sitting duck :facepalm

Next, the whole Jack Ruby offing LHO is just so convenient, plus RFK's assassination a few years later as he was turning into a legit presidential candidate is also quite convenient...way too many circumstances that clearly show this shit wasn't done by a lone gunman. You gotta be quite naive to not believe there wasn't a conspiracy and a cover up. I've no idea who was behind this but it's fishy af.
What's the logic and what's the common sense?

[TheMan]

What's the logic and what's the common sense?:biggums:
If I have to explain...

[KevinNYC]

:biggums:
If I have to explain...
Yes, please explain. I would like to see your logic and your common sense.

[NumberSix]

Who's the one person NOBODY would suspect? That's right. JFK.


#nailedit #insidejob #solved

[7forever]

Dennis was shown a 16 millimeter film of jfk at Bethesda Naval Hospital and witnessed the simple entry wound above the right eye and massive blow-out in the right rear. Bill Pitzer shot the film and was murdered three years later.

Dennis David https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5T7wR2YKkA

https://riversong.wordpress.com/the-threads-of-conspiracy-unravel/

"I can assure that it definitely was an entry wound in the forehead."

"It is inconceivable that anyone even vaguely acquainted with gunshot wounds would conclude that the massive wound in the rear of Jfk's of skull could have occurred from a rear-entry projectile."

http://i1312.photobucket.com/albums/t528/friscokid71/4d049e2e-8c8f-4659-986c-34e5c933cf8f_zpshvrn4lgz.png~original (http://s1312.photobucket.com/user/friscokid71/media/4d049e2e-8c8f-4659-986c-34e5c933cf8f_zpshvrn4lgz.png.html)

http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/overrighteye.jpg (http://s889.photobucket.com/user/77forever/media/Gifs/overrighteye.jpg.html)http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/over-right-eye_h_GIFSoupcom.gif (http://s889.photobucket.com/user/77forever/media/Gifs/over-right-eye_h_GIFSoupcom.gif.html)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8_hDakTz2I

[ArbitraryWater]

if you watch those videos you will know that there was just one shooter...

not saying who the shooter was...but just saying there was just one shooter...and he was in that window


It is the History Channel...I know YouTube has a bad rep fo this stuff but this isn't some kids with a camera that uploaded some shit to YouTube

watch them...you will be convinced...they did a fantastic job


this is extremely convincing...

to the point that I would call it proof even...

I don't see how it can even be debated after watching what they did there...


The fact that these people exist in bunches is scary.

They desperately need the "official version" to be true for comfort and safety. They need to cling onto it.

Everything else is outside their comprehension.

[ArbitraryWater]

Btw its obvious it was LBJ,the military establishment and the cabal of elite conservatives who had JFK killed

ol BlakFrankWhite actually had it together.


If you use logic and common sense, it's obvious Oswald didn't act alone. From those images, it doesn't look like Greer did it himself but it is very suspicious that he slowed down, almost to a complete stop as JFK is being shot at, the exact opposite on how they are trained to respond. It's as if he's purposely making the president a sitting duck :facepalm

Next, the whole Jack Ruby offing LHO is just so convenient, plus RFK's assassination a few years later as he was turning into a legit presidential candidate is also quite convenient...way too many circumstances that clearly show this shit wasn't done by a lone gunman. You gotta be quite naive to not believe there wasn't a conspiracy and a cover up. I've no idea who was behind this but it's fishy af.

And even TheMan was able to detect something of note! Good observation with "sitting duck".

[Full Court]

I can't believe people still think Oswald acted alone.

I can't believe people still think the moon is a spaceship.

[Chick Stern]

https://y.yarn.co/c18dffb7-3f63-4e43-9348-1abf269f93b4_text.gif

[Doomsday Dallas]

The fact that these people exist in bunches is scary.

are you just now realizing this?

[ArbitraryWater]

https://y.yarn.co/c18dffb7-3f63-4e43-9348-1abf269f93b4_text.gif

I watched this as a kid/teenager and obv never had any idea it mimicked the JFK assassination? lmao

[Chick Stern]

I watched this as a kid/teenager and obv never had any idea it mimicked the JFK assassination? lmao

I never used to get Seinfeld and never watched it. Then one day I was really sick and stayed home. I was in that dozy state on the couch and Seinfeld came on after another show. I had just seen the Oliver Stone JFK film a few weeks before. It uses ‘back and to the left’ a lot. This episode killed me, and I’ve liked it since.

[Lebron23]

It was the Mafia who orchestrated it.

[ArbitraryWater]

It was the Mafia who orchestrated it.

Are you retarded?


The Mafia might have executed it, but they definitey didnt orchestrate it lmao.


The Mafia has precisely 0 cover-up abilities in America.

[ArbitraryWater]

I never used to get Seinfeld and never watched it. Then one day I was really sick and stayed home. I was in that dozy state on the couch and Seinfeld came on after another show. I had just seen the Oliver Stone JFK film a few weeks before. It uses ‘back and to the left’ a lot. This episode killed me, and I’ve liked it since.

Sounds kind of like an epic experience tbh haha

[Lebron23]

Are you retarded?


The Mafia might have executed it, but they definitey didnt orchestrate it lmao.


The Mafia has precisely 0 cover-up abilities in America.

You believe many conspiracy theories you ****ing assclown.

[ArbitraryWater]

You believe many conspiracy theories you ****ing assclown.

You literally just presented an outrageous conspiracy theory you moron



You even once believed JFK‘s son faked his death and would return