If you had to pick: Grizzly Bear vs. Silverback Gorilla

[DaHeezy]

Who'd win?

Silverback Gorilla has the strength, speed, and agility

Grizzly Bear has the size and weapons

[ErhnamDjinn]

id say the bear also the claws alone put the bear over the top, Im also talking Grizzly and or Polar bear.

Id say they'd be the same strengthwise

[-playmaker-]

this thread ahs happened before...I think ISH had the silverback winning...

it was after the chimps mauled that old lady...



we also had a thread on a silverback vs. the entire Green Bay Packers rosters...(or some NFL franchise)....and we also determined that the silverback would kill the entire team...lol

[Mr. Grieves]

Silverbacks occasionally have been recorded at 5' 11'' and 510 pounds in the wild.

Male grizzlies on average weigh between 500-1000 pounds!

Grizzlies have bigger jaws, huge sharp claws and the weight advantage.

Gorillas have freak strength for their size, especially in their arms. Their body design, and having thumbs, would make them more adept in close combat grappling. Bears arms aren't as articulate and their muscles are designed more for digging and running motions. Gorillas also have some big sharp canines in their mouth too, a bite wouldn't be ineffective.

Gorilla's are also far smarter. If a gorilla was wise enough to take a hefty boulder and smash it into a bear. I'd give it to the gorilla. If not the sharp weapons of the bear might give it the edge in the wrestling match.

[zabuza666]

Who'd win?

Silverback Gorilla has the strength, speed, and agility

Grizzly Bear has the size and weapons

have you ever seen a silverback gorilla's teeth?

Gorilla in a landslipe, infact i'm hard pressed to think of an animal that would beat a silverback in a fight

[arkain]

have you ever seen a silverback gorilla's teeth?

Gorilla in a landslipe, infact i'm hard pressed to think of an animal that would beat a silverback in a fight

Hippo?...maybe too slow.:confusedshrug:

[iamgine]

Silverback

[NoName22]

Sheek Louch

[pete's montreux]

I actually read up on this a few months ago when I started using the "like a silverback gorilla" line. Since there's several different bears, and we're using probably the biggest and strongest gorilla, we must use the Grizzly Bear. And the GB has an advantage is almost every single physical category there is. A full grown silverback is not even half the size of a full grown grizzly bear, so there's size advantage for the bear. Gorilla's are mostly vegetarians, a bear is not, so there goes the thought of a gorilla using his teeth.

SB's are thought to be violent and ferocious animals when they're actually incredibly peaceful, the pounding of the chest is traditionally just for show, when a bear is acting violent towards an opponent, he means it, he's genuinely upset and wants to kill the other animal, so attitude and purpose goes to the bear. A bear will almost never back down, gorillas will. Both are very powerful, too close to tell. Bears have claws, gorillas have fingernails: advantage bear. Bears are very fast animals, gorillas aren't. Gorillas are actually smarter than bears by a long-shot, however the bear is not a natural opponent, so intelligence doesn't come into play.

Really, the only advantage I can think of in favor of the gorilla is stamina and agility. And those aren't very useful advantages when the gorilla doesn't use blow tactics like biting or clawing. What's the gorilla gonna do? Jump on the bears back and nuggie it to death?

Grizzly bear wins quite easily.

[GOBB]

Silverback is not beating a Grizzly Bear unless the Grizzly Bear was chillin a rain forrest. Which is unlikely to ever happen. Only way a gorilla is winning is homefield advantage. I bet if you put both in front of each other it would be a bunch of posturing. Both lookin at each other and defending. I cant really see one attacking the other. But if it were to happen? A Bear is just bigger. How exactly would a gorilla go about attacking a grizzly Bear? Sure its smart but we all would be going off of movies and a bunch of maybe false perception of the animals. They are intimidating by look. They have had movies where they went psycho. But they probably are some chill ass animals.

They definately arent going around bullying and b!tch slapping other animals. Are either confrontational? I dont even know but I wouldnt be surprised if they werent. I think unless you invade their space and pose a threat do they attack. I could be wrong. I'm just going by what I think as opposed to looking/reading up on both animals. I mean I'm not crossing paths with either in my lifetime. So no need to read up on them. :oldlol:

But if i had to pick its the Grizzly Bear.

If we're going by influnces of movies and crap? Then the gorilla would jump into trees then as the Bear looked around the gorilla would land on its back and sink teeth in. Then the Bear bodyslams it off its back and slaps the gorilla. Both are sitting there bloody, breathing heavily then they just smoke some marijuana.

[JohnnySic]

Intelligence. Gorilla wins.

Also, a gorilla will stand its ground on principle. A grizzly is just looking for an easy meal. There are plenty of meals that will come easier than a silverback gorilla. Same reason cats dont mess with squirrels. The cat would probably win, but eh, no thanks...

[GOBB]

Intelligence. Gorilla wins.

Also, a Gorilla will stand its ground on principle. A grizzly is just looking for an easy meal. There are plenty of meals that will come easier than a silverback gorilla. Same reason cats dont mess with squirrels. The cat would probably win, but eh, no thanks...

When has a gorilla used intelligence to take out an animal of another species? So a gorilla intelligence will size up the Bear and the surrounding area then use it to its advantage? It would say to itself "Self i'm smaller so if I want to win I want to get quick attacks inside and move. If I can get the bear off balanace? Awesome!".

Like what intelligence is being used by the gorrila in this situation? I'm curious.

[Birmingham1955]

Bear they outweight a Silverback by hundreds of pounds

[iamgine]

After reading a little bit, it seems the kodiak bear is a 10 feet 1500 pounds predator who can take multiple magnum bullets without effect.

While the silverback is a 6 foot 500 pound creature who eat vegetables.

It's like Earl Boykins vs Shaq. Except without their brain and only instinct.

[tpols]

I don't get how any of you are even picking the gorilla. If they are both standing on the ground, which they would be how is the gorilla going to hurt the bear? If he charges him he's going to take the equivalent of four knives to the face, and then the bear is going to maul the gorillas head(the bear is at worst equal strength and it weighs a lot more).

Grizzlies rise and stand straight up when theyre about to fight at six and a half feet or more while the gorilla ranges in the mid fives for height. The gorilla literally wouldn't be able to even reach the bears neck or head.

And any intelligence factor is canceled out since a gorilla has never dealt with a bear before. I'd pick the bear easily.

[GOBB]

I take it back, give me the gorilla...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7MuFDVEUro&feature=related

:roll:

:bowdown:

:roll:

Floyd Mayweather Jr right thurr!

[JohnnySic]

Like what intelligence is being used by the gorrila in this situation? I'm curious.
Gorillas throw rocks and use sticks/branches to defend themselves. They also stand on their hind legs and beat their chests, which makes them seem larger and intimidates predators.

They also use their surroundings, including trees, to their advantage (hmm, kind of like the predator).

[bumpyknucks]

Forget about the Silverbacks weight.....strength is more important. I

[pete's montreux]

Gorillas throw rocks and use sticks/branches to defend themselves. They also stand on their hind legs and beat their chests, which makes them seem larger and intimidates predators.

They also use their surroundings, including trees, to their advantage (hmm, kind of like the predator).

Gorillas also back down, bears do not. The beating of the chest is a bluff, and the bear will call it.

You're honestly sitting there thinking some f*cking sticks and stones are gonna help against a grizzly bear?

[tpols]

I take it back, give me the gorilla...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7MuFDVEUro&feature=related

:roll:

:bowdown:

:roll:

Floyd Mayweather Jr right thurr!
That was a mother grizzlie that had no interest in fighting the cougar. Looked like it was only going after the cub. Lol it just put it's head down and tried to walk through the cougar. It didn't give a ****:oldlol:

[pete's montreux]

There's absolutely no logic going into the majority of these posts. I'm punching out.

[tpols]

Gorillas throw rocks and use sticks/branches to defend themselves. They also stand on their hind legs and beat their chests, which makes them seem larger and intimidates predators.

They also use their surroundings, including trees, to their advantage (hmm, kind of like the predator).
lol the gorilla is going to kite the bear with rocks and sticks:oldlol: That shit wouldn't do anything. Some of these bears can take bullets like their bb gun pellets.

[GOBB]

I've seen a youube video of 2 grizzlies fighting. All I gotta say is when those f*cker stood up? I dont see how playing dead would save you from an attack. I'm not playing dead, sorry. I'm going to run and hopefully if there is a tree climb to the top. If it climbs up I'll jump off and play dead, literally. Or if there is a cliff with a waterfall I'm diving off like Harrison Ford in Fugitive.


That was a mother grizzlie that had no interest in fighting the cougar. Looked like it was only going after the cub. Lol it just put it's head down and tried to walk through the cougar. It didn't give a ****:oldlol:

I was just joking around. Found it funny as hell that Bear got slapped up a few times then bite on the forehead. Bear said f*ck this, I didnt want cub for dinner anyway. I'll be by the lake for some trout. :roll:

[ErhnamDjinn]

Intelligence. Gorilla wins.

Also, a gorilla will stand its ground on principle. A grizzly is just looking for an easy meal. There are plenty of meals that will come easier than a silverback gorilla. Same reason cats dont mess with squirrels. The cat would probably win, but eh, no thanks...
And Gorrillas may be smart but doesnt mean Bears are dumb, they have been known to open tents, can and even sealed oil drums. Plus as many posters said they have a huge weight advantage over the Gorilla.


Kodiak Bear Stats

Size

Size

[QUOTE]Few Kodiak bears have been weighed in the wild, so all weights are estimates. Size range for females is from 500 to 700 pounds and for males 360 kg (800 lbs) to 635 kg (1400 lbs).[7] Mature males average 480

[ErhnamDjinn]

Silver back stats

[QUOTE]Gorillas move around by knuckle-walking, although they sometimes walk bipedally for short distances while carrying food or in defensive situations.[12] Adult males range in height 1.65

[GOBB]

What does that intelligence have to do in relation to facing a Grizzly Bear for a fight? :oldlol:

gorilla gonna pull a mcgyver and make a weapon of mass destruction to open a can of whup ass?

[zabuza666]

Hippo?...maybe too slow.:confusedshrug:

Naw imo the gorilla would get behind the hippo and then the hippo is ****ed

[ErhnamDjinn]

What does that intelligence have to do in relation to facing a Grizzly Bear for a fight? :oldlol:

gorilla gonna pull a mcgyver and make a weapon of mass destruction to open a can of whup ass?bwahahaha cause smarts aint helping you when your half the size of your opponent in a 1 on 1 battle.

I wonder if the Romans had Bears and Gorillas face of in Ancient times.

[pete's montreux]

What does that intelligence have to do in relation to facing a Grizzly Bear for a fight? :oldlol:

gorilla gonna pull a mcgyver and make a weapon of mass destruction to open a can of whup ass?

First of all, what the f*ck is your avy? Lose a bet? Gross.

Secondly, that's what the f*ck I'm saying. Intelligence doesn't come into play because neither animals are natural enemies. I doubt many bears or gorillas have EVER seen each other in the wild, let alone fought. They would be scared of each other and nothing would happen. And again with the sticks and stones? :oldlol: Yeah, let's throw a couple branches and rocks at a goddamn grizzly bear, yeah, that'll help much. :facepalm

[zabuza666]

http://www.slate.com/id/2212232/

and that's a god damn chimpanzee, imagine how strong a silverback is

[iamgine]

The bear can take multiple magnum bullets and still be fine. Can gorilla inflict the same pain? I doubt it. The gorilla also lack proper defense against the bear's claw. The only hope the silverback has is its mythical hand strength. Mythical because no one knows how great it is exactly. I would say being able to tear a bear limb to limb would be a gross exaggeration but who knows.

Also, lions have been said to kill gorillas so there's that.

[pete's montreux]

Pete you're crazy if you don't think a SB is gonna use his teeth. He might not eat the bear afterwards but you really don't think he'd bite in an all out brawl?

SB's Smarts, thumbs and arms give him the advantage.

No I don't think it would. SB's are herbivores, they don't know how to use their teeth in a fight. They never have and they never will.

And the arms are not an advantage. Both of their upper bodies are equal in strength.

[gts]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVAP5qWnBek&feature=related

[DaHeezy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVAP5qWnBek&feature=related


I little misrepresented. That's bigfoot, not a Bear. Bigfoot has a different style of fighting.

[mrpuente]

im goin with the silverback.

Only if it was truly pissed off, I could see it "bear hugging" :oldlol: the bear til it broke its spine with those massive arms.

Ive also seen on tv where they had a female orangutan play tug of war with a couple of sumo wrestlers. The orangutan was using one arm and it easily pulled all of them around. Well lets see by analyzing the stats here we have 3 sumo wrestlers weighing in at 1000lbs and one female orangutan weighing in at 140lbs. Duh whos gonna win?

[Mr. Grieves]

No I don't think it would. SB's are herbivores, they don't know how to use their teeth in a fight. They never have and they never will.

And the arms are not an advantage. Both of their upper bodies are equal in strength.

Chimps and other apes routinely deliver vicious bites in fights. Particularily chimps when killing other chimps.

http://www.mongabay.com/images/gabon/600/gabon_1730.JPG

It's pretty much instinct to bite when some sh*t is in front of your mouth. So why wouldn't they use those over-developed canines?

[GOBB]

im goin with the silverback.

Only if it was truly pissed off, I could see it "bear hugging" :oldlol: the bear til it broke its spine with those massive arms.

Ive also seen on tv where they had a female orangutan play tug of war with a couple of sumo wrestlers. The orangutan was using one arm and it easily pulled all of them around. Well lets see by analyzing the stats here we have 3 sumo wrestlers weighing in at 1000lbs and one female orangutan weighing in at 140lbs. Duh whos gonna win?

Comparing 3 human beings to a Grizzly Bear? Good one. :roll: Only on ISH, only on ISH.

[KeylessEntry]

I would take a silverback gorilla vs just about any other land animal.

[B-Low]

Ok so i posted this in another thread and nobody knew, so maybe in this meeting of animal enthusiasts somebody will have an idea.

WHAT THE HELL IS THIS?

http://www.innocentenglish.com/cute-pictures/wp/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/cute-baby-animal-pics.jpg

It's like a cat mixed with a rabbit mixed with a squirrel

[pete's montreux]

Chimps and other apes routinely deliver vicious bites in fights. Particularily chimps when killing other chimps.

http://www.mongabay.com/images/gabon/600/gabon_1730.JPG

It's pretty much instinct to bite when some sh*t is in front of your mouth. So why wouldn't they use those over-developed canines?

What do chimps have to do with Silverback Gorillas? Other than that they're the same species? Do all dolphins act the same because they're the same species? Try again. Gorillas are strong animals that use brute force to fight whoever they have to fight. I highly doubt they've ever used their teeth in fights especially when they've probably never encountered another animal that they couldn't easily beat by not just using their strength and pummeling it to death.

People need to realize that these two animals have never faced each other, they aren't natural enemies. So to say one animal is going to do something against the other is pure guess-work. You have to gauge each others strength and weakness overall and judge from that.

And there's no such thing as home field advantage. It would have to be a neutral zone.

[pete's montreux]

Bear first round K.O., doesn't break a sweat. Goes home and beats Robin Givens.

[Jailblazers7]

http://www.champyinz.com/pics/silverbacksquare.jpg

I'll go with James Harrison.

[mrpuente]

he did say chimps and other apes bite each other in fights. A gorilla would constitute an ape. Other male gorillas coming into an alpha males group would be a formidable opponent that an alpha male couldnt just easily beat with brute force.

[B-Low]

And there's no such thing as home field advantage. It would have to be a neutral zone.

Should make them fight on a moving cruise ship

[Hondo]

Grizzly Bear in a landslide.
I'm assuming many of you haven't seen a grizzly (in the wild) in person.

I haven't seen a silverback in person other than the zoo, but from reading Dian Fossey's, Gorilla's in the Mist, I am absolutely certain the bear would kill the silverback in less than 10 minutes. That is, if the silverback didn't retreat. Silverbacks crap themselves in fights. That's right, they drop diarrhea and blood from their anuses in fright. They don't actually like fighting. Bears live to to fight and kill.

[pete's montreux]

Should make them fight on a moving cruise ship

There's so many possibilities. We got motherf*cking Silverback GO-rilla's fighting motherf*cking Grizzly bears on motherf*cking cruise ships!

[Stuckey]

i gotta take the bear, more powerful, and i dont think they are dumber when hunting and fighting

one bite would be a devasting to the gorilla, while the gorilla doesnt know how to knock out the opponent, whats the point

[rezznor]

depends. Does Gorilla get prep time?

[rezznor]

Ok so i posted this in another thread and nobody knew, so maybe in this meeting of animal enthusiasts somebody will have an idea.

WHAT THE HELL IS THIS?

http://www.innocentenglish.com/cute-pictures/wp/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/cute-baby-animal-pics.jpg

It's like a cat mixed with a rabbit mixed with a squirrel
http://www.gamingangels.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Pikachu.gif

[Jackass18]

have you ever seen a silverback gorilla's teeth?

Gorilla in a landslipe, infact i'm hard pressed to think of an animal that would beat a silverback in a fight

IIRC from watching those shows and reading about this shit in the past, it goes: elephant > rhino > polar bear > maybe a hippo, but I don't quite remember at this point. A polar bear or grizzly would wreck a silverback. I don't know how anyone could take a silverback and especially a silverback in a landslide. That's silly.

[Stuckey]

i would bet that shaq could survive a grizzly bear attack

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Let's break it down.

Strength:
-Grizzlies are reported to be able to swipe their paws enough to wipe a person's head clean off. That means demolishing the tension strength of the f*cking cervical vertebrate. Gorillas have awesome pulling strength, as extrapolated by the Chimps pulling power, but how often do they have to push things. You don't friggin pull someone towards u in a fight unless u into muay thai clinches nikka.

Defense
- Fur thickness... GB again. Bear must sustain harsh winters in their natural location, and has thick skin alongside a good amount of fur. Gorillas are located in a thick Congo rainforest. Though it's got a nice covering around their body, it's neither as thick or voluminous. It'd be like comparing Hawker's helmet to Phar's untrimmed vaj. No contest!

Speed
- Grizzlies can run up to 25 mph in small doses. Gorillas are quick for their size, but one's tackling power is far superior.

The gorillas only hope is to somehow target GB's gonads, or sink canines in the vulnerable area that is its throat. BUt the motherf*cker has two paws to defy this. Two pawz of death.

As previously mentioned a huge part of the equation is their mentality. ONE's a f*cking OMNIVORE, and the other strictly vegetarian. Gorillas have to mess around with wolverines, wolves, pumas, foxes, amongst other pesky critters that get in their way. We can safely assume that bears have superior sight, a strong killer instinct.


Btw, as an animal lover I much prefer the gorilla. I think they're far cooler and the chief silvyback in Tarzan is one of my childhood heroes. But Pete summed it up quite nicely in the beginning.

A better match-up would be Grizzly vs. hippo or buffalo or. Bears LITERALLY sh!t on Big Cats and non-ungulate herbivores.

Let the gorilla at a lion.
Let the crocodiles attack the anacondas.
Let the mongoose at the cobra.
Hype up the wolf and jaguar fights.

[miller-time]

the bear wins hands down. they are natural predators, they are designed to kill other animals. gorillas are herbivores that mostly use their formidable appearance as a deterrent. ignoring the fact that the bear has all of the advantages (except higher intelligence), the gorilla is simply not designed to kill other animals. protect against and deter other animals maybe but not kill them.

apart from a giraffe kick, i don't think any herbivore could take down a grizzly on their own.

any land animal, possibly a siberian tiger, but even then they have the same weight disadvantage that a gorilla has.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UztB1gRCFn0&feature=player_embedded#!

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

the bear wins hands down. they are natural predators, they are designed to kill other animals. gorillas are herbivores that mostly use their formidable appearance as a deterrent. ignoring the fact that the bear has all of the advantages (except higher intelligence), the gorilla is simply not designed to kill other animals. protect against and deter other animals maybe but not kill them.

apart from a giraffe kick, i don't think any herbivore could take down a grizzly on their own.

any land animal, possibly a siberian tiger, but even then they have the same weight disadvantage that a gorilla has.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UztB1gRCFn0&feature=player_embedded#!

Elephants are a significantly bigger threat (mass, tusks, hide, trunk) than a giraffe kick,but otherwiseI agree.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

I have heard that they are really smart and vengeful. I heard that a group of them attacked a village that had killed an elephant and were dragging people out of their huts and ripped them apart.

Incredible. You can see the wisdom and unforgotten memories in their melancholic, seemingly peaceful eyes. Horton ain't a proper depiction of our ivory-blessed friends. I love how the baby elephant calf hangs onto the mother's tail too.. it's quite a site to behold.

Hornets and yellowjackets commit the same thing right? Like a certain Japanese wasp took down a bees nest with only twenty compadre.

ANd so do the Velociraptors in the Jurassic park 3 movie :oldlol:

Word on the street is that chimps participate in a bartering system with fleas in exchange for sexual favors. And birds will cheat on their monogamous partners if they're not caught.

Point is if any motherf*cker considers us sacred, we best be silencin their dumbazzes. Would u happen to know any other interesting social behaviors of any creatures anti-hero?

[rezznor]

chimp wins



hand-to-hand
http://rofl.wheresthebeef.co.uk/Monkey%20Karate.jpg






or strapped
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_t_xlGGymR7U/TA_kuCK6xfI/AAAAAAAAEi4/XTA0zFVqNVw/s1600/Monkey+Holding+a+Glock.jpg

[Juges8932]

What do chimps have to do with Silverback Gorillas? Other than that they're the same species? Do all dolphins act the same because they're the same species? Try again. Gorillas are strong animals that use brute force to fight whoever they have to fight. I highly doubt they've ever used their teeth in fights especially when they've probably never encountered another animal that they couldn't easily beat by not just using their strength and pummeling it to death.

People need to realize that these two animals have never faced each other, they aren't natural enemies. So to say one animal is going to do something against the other is pure guess-work. You have to gauge each others strength and weakness overall and judge from that.

And there's no such thing as home field advantage. It would have to be a neutral zone.

Them not having met previously and having a feel for each other IMO is what allows the SB's intelligence to be utilized. [For the record, I am not informed on the intelligence of SBs, but it seems to be the consensus that they have a substantial advantage over the bears in this department(only from what I read in this thread, though, haha)]. So with that in mind, intelligence, IMO, is defined as the following- "Intelligence is what you do when you don't know." (I don't remember who said it). Intelligence isn't being able to read a book and remember facts- that is knowledge. Intelligence is the mental capability of being able to look at, absorb, analyze, and be able to think critically as to how to solve a problem that you have not encountered before. Or being able to figure out ways of dealing with something new.

So by that definition, I would say this give the SB a distinct advantage against the bear. Having never met and not knowing how to deal with each other plays into being able to think critically by absorbing the environment, assessing the situation, and using that to their advantage. The bear has been made out to be a simpleton (here) and as such, would use the strategy it knows and uses in general. The SB has been made out to be a critical thinker, so it would take into account the bear's size and how to use its (SB) physical attributes in the environment to give itself the advantage.

Personally, I think the grizzly would win. But I am just going off what I know about grizzlies, since I do not know anything about silverback gorillas specifically, other than what has been presented in this thread and a few other things I have seen (but definitely not enough to gauge its capabilities, physical or mental, in relation to a grizzly).

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Juge-Juge. Great post. But need some clarification.

I thought "being smart" was akin to being street smart, which meant using your intelligence to adapt, survive, and propser through your environment. Basically a rich man was smarter than a poor man, even if he was less educated than said poor guy. Application Like if you were to build something from scratch such as a hoverboard w/o the alotted Ikea instructions.. you would use past knowledge of motorcycles and whatnot and acknowledge the ELEMENTS behind it.

I thought intelligence was simply one's ability to cognitively function properly. Like Intelligence Quota measures ones aptitude against the modus tollens, analogies, mathematical problems, scrambled words, which one doesn't fit, deductive reasoning, inductive reasong. Like the "process" necessary to acquire knowledge. The How What you get out of a great education essentially. THe mental skillset.

And then knowledge was the accumulation of facts as you mentioned, and wisdom was something else.. quite similar to "smartness."

I confused, but I like where you're getting at. I just didn't know intelligence was the proper word behind it hmmm..

Plus you've got to remember that grizzlies can experienc ea variety of seasons.. from blazing summers catching salmon by a stream to ice-cold SNOW hibernating in the winter within a cave, to springtime where trees frolick around. The gorilla is pretty much in a tropical jungle his whole life lol.

[rezznor]

some people are really over emphasizing the gorilla's intelligence. are they smarter then the GB? sure, but he's not gonna sit there, analyze the situation and come with some strategic tactic to defeat a physically superior opponent.

apes do use strategy, but that strategy is either taught or learned from trial and error. the gorilla will initially react on instinct when facing a GB, and lose..

[tpols]

Them not having met previously and having a feel for each other IMO is what allows the SB's intelligence to be utilized. [For the record, I am not informed on the intelligence of SBs, but it seems to be the consensus that they have a substantial advantage over the bears in this department(only from what I read in this thread, though, haha)]. So with that in mind, intelligence, IMO, is defined as the following- "Intelligence is what you do when you don't know." (I don't remember who said it). Intelligence isn't being able to read a book and remember facts- that is knowledge. Intelligence is the mental capability of being able to look at, absorb, analyze, and be able to think critically as to how to solve a problem that you have not encountered before. Or being able to figure out ways of dealing with something new.

So by that definition, I would say this give the SB a distinct advantage against the bear. Having never met and not knowing how to deal with each other plays into being able to think critically by absorbing the environment, assessing the situation, and using that to their advantage. The bear has been made out to be a simpleton (here) and as such, would use the strategy it knows and uses in general. The SB has been made out to be a critical thinker, so it would take into account the bear's size and how to use its (SB) physical attributes in the environment to give itself the advantage.

Personally, I think the grizzly would win. But I am just going off what I know about grizzlies, since I do not know anything about silverback gorillas specifically, other than what has been presented in this thread and a few other things I have seen (but definitely not enough to gauge its capabilities, physical or mental, in relation to a grizzly).
SBs aren't smart like therye some great critical thinkers and problem solvers where they'll be able to scope out the environment and make a plan to kill the bear in a few quick seconds.

They just use tools and have an advanced social structure in their communities.

A gorilla is like a really, really stupid human. It's not much of an advantage.

[Juges8932]

Juge-Juge. Great post. But need some clarification.

I thought "being smart" was akin to being street smart, which meant using your intelligence to adapt, survive, and propser through your environment. Basically a rich man was smarter than a poor man, even if he was less educated than said poor guy. Application Like if you were to build something from scratch such as a hoverboard w/o the alotted Ikea instructions.. you would use past knowledge of motorcycles and whatnot and acknowledge the ELEMENTS behind it.

I thought intelligence was simply one's ability to cognitively function properly. Like Intelligence Quota measures ones aptitude against the modus tollens, analogies, mathematical problems, scrambled words, which one doesn't fit, deductive reasoning, inductive reasong. Like the "process" necessary to acquire knowledge. The How What you get out of a great education essentially. THe mental skillset.

And then knowledge was the accumulation of facts as you mentioned, and wisdom was something else.. quite similar to "smartness."

I confused, but I like where you're getting at. I just didn't know intelligence was the proper word behind it hmmm..

Plus you've got to remember that grizzlies can experienc ea variety of seasons.. from blazing summers catching salmon by a stream to ice-cold SNOW hibernating in the winter within a cave, to springtime where trees frolick around. The gorilla is pretty much in a tropical jungle his whole life lol.

Well, I think smart is more ambiguous than knowledge or intelligence. Knowledge is pretty obvious as simply what you know (Whether it is from experience, hard work, or what-have-you). A lot of people (from my experience) use smart and intelligent interchangeably, and many people think that because you are knowledgeable, you are intelligent. To me, that is false.
Just because you know a lot (say you know a lot about WWII and history in general), it doesn't mean you can readily analyze and solve new problems. It simply means you took the time to acquire knowledge (which I think work ethic, apart from the animals thing, can be equally, if not more, important than natural intelligence). Some people define smart as knowing a lot. I don't. I use smart ~ intelligence (though, slightly different). Intelligence is being presented with something entirely new and figuring out ways to solve it. I think of smart as having an end game in mind and knowing how to attain it (knowing how to use your strengths to your advantage- you may not be an intelligent person by nature, but you are an incredibly hard worker, for example).

And that's what I mean about intelligence though. Like you said math. Well, some people pick up math extremely quickly and can understand the concepts without much effort. While on the other hand, some people struggle with it and require hours of repetition and working hard to understand how a certain mathematical sequence goes. They can look at an integral and know, ok, you should use this method of solving it because of these elements. While the hard worker would simply test out all the methods they know until they get the correct answer. Then, after doing this many times, they begin to see certain characteristics that allows them to use the proper method more quickly than before. But that has come through experience. The naturally intelligent guy is able to figure out new things faster.

As for wisdom, I personally think it is closer to knowledge than it is intelligence. Typically, older people tend to be 'wiser' (at least from what we have been lead to believe) due to their experiences in life that have taught them *insert random wise lesson here*. Though, one could argue that some people never learn and those who are naturally more intelligent have a stronger logical foundation and thus, would be wiser to making errors in life.

And yeah, like I said, I believe the grizzly would win in a fight between the two. I think the grizzly's intelligence is being underrated from what I have seen (since I love learning about animals and bears were always a particular area of interest growing up). But again, I really don't know enough about silverback gorillas to make an informed opinion between the two.

[deion2123]

grizzly bear would absolutely destroy a gorilla..claws, size, speed, power, endurance..all in favor of the bear..only advantage gorilla has is intelligence

[deion2123]

I would take a silverback gorilla vs just about any other land animal.
silverback vs a male african elephant ?? lol..yeah right..the bear would kick the gorilla's ass..the gorilla wouldn't want any part of that

[Jasper]

Silver back can climb a tree and take a nap.

I know black bears climb tree's , but I don't know of a Grizz or Polar bear climbing a tree.

Silver wins , by sleeping in tree :banana:

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If it was a fight to the death , bears don't typically stand and kill , they pull their enemy in keeping the opponent close to their body , and clawing and biting.
To give you some idea of crushing power :
A wolve has 1500 lbs of crushing power with their jaws , about 10 times more powerful than a dimestic dog.
A wolve kills deer , but like most people think they sufficate the deer , that is wrong , they grab the deers back neck and break it.

A Grizz jaws crushs elk bones etc..

[Sarcastic]

"It's not the size of the dog in the fight; it's size of the fight in the dog".

With that being said, grizzly bears have a lot of fight in them, so the bear probably wins.

[tontoz]

A grizzly can fit a gorillas head in it's mouth and they have 3" teeth. They are huge. Grizzly wins easily.

[RedBlackAttack]

some people are really over emphasizing the gorilla's intelligence. are they smarter then the GB? sure, but he's not gonna sit there, analyze the situation and come with some strategic tactic to defeat a physically superior opponent.

apes do use strategy, but that strategy is either taught or learned from trial and error. the gorilla will initially react on instinct when facing a GB, and lose..
Fact of the matter is, they will analyze the situation and come up with a strategic tactic, but it won't include fighting. A silverback would be intelligent enough to avoid any conflict with a bear because of its intelligence. It would almost certainly use that extra brain power (and it is a significant gap) to get out of the situation untouched.

At the end of the day, isn't that the ultimate sign of intelligence and not some strategy of attacking a grizzly bear?

Grizzlies really are killing machines, but as J$ eluded to, elephants may be the greatest 'alpha' land animal. A full-grown, angry elephant would stomp and tusk the sh!t out of a grizzly or anything else for that matter. There are reports of whole prides of lions taking down single elephants during nightfall in Africa, but such instances would almost certainly result in several dead lions... And only starving cats would ever attempt to conquer the great Loxodonta.

Simply put, when elephants come along, everyone else gets out of the way.

Btw, gorillas have been observed using tools in the Congo to do things like clear brush. They are really fascinating creatures.

[B-Low]

apes do use strategy, but that strategy is either taught or learned from trial and error. the gorilla will initially react on instinct when facing a GB, and lose..

So based on their trial and error tendencies, the real question is who would win if 4 Gorillas took turns fighting a Grizzly.

Gorilla 1: tries to overpower bear. Gets head punched off

Gorilla 2: tries to throw rocks at the bear. Connects with one, but unfortunately ITS JUST A ROCK. Gets head punched off

Gorilla 3: tries to bite bear. Does harm, but eventually gets head punched off.

Gorilla 4: realizes its advantages as a primate and uses its opposable thumbs to give the bear a Ric Flair-esque thumb to the eye, THEN bites bear in the throat while he stumbles around blindly.

Gorilla 4 wins.

[Jackass18]

Next. I don't think a silverback is even in the top 5 for land animals.

[SevereUpInHere]

Just saw a show on bears, I have no hesitation in saying a Grizzly bear would annihilate a Gorilla. I can't see any animal of similar size having a chance against one. Elephant is the only animal having a chance, only based on size and height of it's head. Maybe a Rhino. Grizzly demolishes any other animal...

[Pinkhearts]

LOL so many stupid people in ISH.

Think about it. You are so much more intelligent than a gorilla. What great strategies are you going to think up of when you are up against a grizzly? Pick up rocks and sticks and form a weapon against it?

If you have no chance with your intellect against a grizz, what makes you think a gorilla has any? The gorilla has a physical edge on you, but is puny compared to a bear.

[Andrei89]

The Question is Siberian Tiger vs SIlverback or Siberian Tiger vs Grizzly Bear

I think the Siberian Tiger would massacre both.

[Andrei89]

Just saw a show on bears, I have no hesitation in saying a Grizzly bear would annihilate a Gorilla. I can't see any animal of similar size having a chance against one. Elephant is the only animal having a chance, only based on size and height of it's head. Maybe a Rhino. Grizzly demolishes any other animal...


It ain't demolishing this bad boy.
http://www.tiger-pictures.net/siberian-tiger.jpg

It's like a a 700 pound pitbull.

[pete's montreux]

Really, the thread should've ended after my first reply.

[jamal99]

The Question is Siberian Tiger vs SIlverback or Siberian Tiger vs Grizzly Bear

I think the Siberian Tiger would massacre both.

Damn, that's exactly what I came to ask!

But, I think that they rank in this order
grizzly bear > siberian tiger > gorilla

Tiger is certainly badass but bear is one nasty mother****er...

[sh0wtime]

How bout a Polar Bear vs... anything? I was reading a book about these Bears and the record size was a ridicilous 3100 lbs at 8.5 feet (reaching probably 15 feet or more while standing).

Average sized Polar vs average sized Grizzly:

http://images.easyart.com/i/prints/rw/en_easyart/lg/2/0/Polar-bear-greets-brown-bear-Gernot-Rekort-200256.jpg

From bottom to top, Grizzly Bear, Polar Bear, short faced Brown Bear (extinct i guess):
http://www.tarpits.org/education/guide/art/page17a.jpg

Here is an average Polar ragdolling a ~4400 lbs bull walrus:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ob_oD1IsYbE

[Mr. Grieves]

Here is an average Polar ragdolling a ~4400 lbs bull walrus:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ob_oD1IsYbE

While that video is impressive, that is not a 4400 lb walrus. The video said they can weigh up to two tons, it did not say that walrus weighed that much. Looks smaller than the bear in some dimensions.

[sh0wtime]

While that video is impressive, that is not a 4400 lb walrus. The video said they can weigh up to two tons, it did not say that walrus weighed that much. Looks smaller than the bear in some dimensions.

2 Tons = 4405 lbs

Still, being anywhere near that 4000 lbs is more than enough and still impressive. :D

[Myth]

I'd imagine that the gorilla would get on the bear's back and would f*ck that bear up. If it were strictly face to face though, a bear would win.