Half court and beyond shots; should they be worth 4 points?

[Mr. Jabbar]

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More often than not, once an unlikely half court prayer goes inside the basket, we end up thinking "hey, that should be worth more than 3 points". Here are some points in favor and against it.

Why Yes:

- It's way tougher than a perimeter 3 (almost doubles the distance at the very halfcourt line). Why should it count the same?
- Would allow teams to get a real chance when trailing by 3 or 4 with little on the clock.
- Since it is so tough to make, it won't get abused and we would doubtfuly get to see alot of players chuking 4pointers.
- Adds emotion to the game.

Why Not:

- Because we like the game the way it is.
- Random ammount of 4pt shots that players will keep missing.
- A team down by 4 should pay the price and not be saved by a miracle shot.
- If a player really exceled at this shot and used it on a regular basis it could ruin the game mechanics of O and D.



What do you say?

[alwaysunny]

Why should shots that are luck-oriented be rewarded more? That's ****ing retarded.

[ashbelly]

No, Alot of teams will be bailing out the defense. You'll have chuckers specialising in shooting 4 pointers from their half of the court..:oldlol:

[Jr Llaban]

Why should shots that are luck-oriented be rewarded more? That's ****ing retarded.
If 4 point shots were real, people like Lebron (who practice those types of shots, maybe not religiously like they practice the rest of their game) would shoot atleast 30%. It's not atways purely luck, it would look stupid tho if someone took a half court shot with like 18 seconds on the shot clock in the middle of the quarter ahah.

[Mr. Jabbar]

Why should shots that are luck-oriented be rewarded more? That's ****ing retarded.

Hardly luck.

[N0Skillz]

If 4 point shots were real, people like Lebron (who practice those types of shots, maybe not religiously like they practice the rest of their game) would shoot atleast 30%. It's not atways purely luck, it would look stupid tho if someone took a half court shot with like 18 seconds on the shot clock in the middle of the quarter ahah.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

30%!!!!

Lebron has averaged around 30% from the 3. Stop this is a stupid idea.

[hawkfan]

A 4 point line would be great. Maybe not all the way in the backcourt, but near it would be.

[alwaysunny]

A 4 point line would be great. Maybe not all the way in the backcourt, but near it would be.

This I can agree with. But half court, let alone BEYOND? :facepalm

[HorryIsMyMVP]

Hey if this happened Gilbert Arenas might have a job next year.

[DuMa]

http://gyantunplugged.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/11-antoine-walker.jpg

[imlmf]

no, they should worth less, because these shots are due to 95% luck

[clipps]

That is a retarded idea. Players will constantly heave "4 pointers" all came and the game would look stupid as hell.

/thread.

[the_wise_one]

Are you Antoine Walker?

[AJ2k8]

http://gyantunplugged.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/11-antoine-walker.jpg
:roll:

[Ben Jordan]

was 'toine actually quoted for saying something like this? I always hear about it but have never seen it

[josh99]

was 'toine actually quoted for saying something like this? I always hear about it but have never seen it
Reporter: Why do you shoot so many 3s.
Antoine: Cuz they dont have any fours.

[Alonzo Magic]

http://gyantunplugged.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/11-antoine-walker.jpg

:oldlol: :cheers:

[Scientist]

I think it would encourage a larger skillset, but personally i'd rather see more inside game.

How about removing the 3?

[d.bball.guy]

'Toine will rejoin any NBA team for free if this will be allowed.

[Myth]

http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/2423/mbnw0910288.jpg


More often than not, once an unlikely half court prayer goes inside the basket, we end up thinking "hey, that should be worth more than 3 points". Here are some points in favor and against it.

Why Yes:

- It's way tougher than a perimeter 3 (almost doubles the distance at the very halfcourt line). Why should it count the same?
- Would allow teams to get a real chance when trailing by 3 or 4 with little on the clock.
- Since it is so tough to make, it won't get abused and we would doubtfuly get to see alot of players chuking 4pointers.
- Adds emotion to the game.
-It will guarantee Antoine Walker's comeback.

Why Not:

- Because we like the game the way it is.
- Random ammount of 4pt shots that players will keep missing.
- A team down by 4 should pay the price and not be saved by a miracle shot.
- If a player really exceled at this shot and used it on a regular basis it could ruin the game mechanics of O and D.



What do you say?

Fixed.

Btw, I agree with AlwaysSunny's post.

[griffmoney1784]

no... before the 3 point line players rarely shot beyond 10 feet.

because of the 3 poin line jump shots have moved back to around 18 feet.

people wanna be closer to that line for some reason just to make a 2 point shot.

well if there was a half court 4 pointer. then players would be taking 40 foot threes and teams would actually go for the dumb shot at the end of games instead of playing smart with fouls

[LosBulls]

Antoine would lead the league in these.

[maggett]

I think it would encourage a larger skillset, but personally i'd rather see more inside game.

How about removing the 3?
How would that help everyone would just sit inside and wait for a long mid range 2

[Jasi]

No please don't let Mike D'Antoni read this.

[Harion]

let's do this! and while we're at it, why not make behind the backboard shots worth 3 points? i mean, that's a lot harder to do than even 3 point shots...

[beermonsteroo]

I think a 4p line somwehre around 26 feet could ad some extra flair to the game.

[Real Men Wear Green]

The last two minutes of a lot of games would turn into a ridiculous chuckfest. Don't like the idea.

[Noble6]

http://www.theqarena.com/wp-content/uploads/globetrotters_diagram_101227_750.gif

[knickscity]

The last two minutes of a lot of games would turn into a ridiculous chuckfest. Don't like the idea.
This.

[JohnnySic]

Bad idea.

ESPN would love the occasional shot that goes in though.

[Rake2204]

The last two minutes of a lot of games would turn into a ridiculous chuckfest. Don't like the idea.
Unfortunately you might be right on the money there.

I've definitely thought of the 4pt. line idea before (I think we all have) but I would have one slight variation. I'd only have it come into effect in the last 10-15 seconds of 4th quarter (and/or the final 10 seconds of subsequent overtimes). Even then, I'd be wary of the team who was down four that might be better served looking to score a quick two then foul, instead rifling an open half courter, yielding a wild miss and essentially ending the game.

Sometimes I think about how cool it'd be if a four point deficit was possible to overcome in one closing possession, even if your name wasn't Larry Johnson. But the line and all that just seems too fantastical, featuring too many wild reprucussions.

[Living Being]

No. This would turn the NBA into a joke gimmick like Slamball. Might as well have hot spots all over the court and a moving basket. Also, have "no rules" periods in the middle of the quarters where you can travel, go OB, etc. Also, allow a reward of 6 players on the court as long as you make a 4 pointer every 5 minutes. OH oh .......and have layups worth 1 point, regular dunks 2 pts, and specialty dunks 3-5 points.

:facepalm

[Marquis Daniels]

no, just no. no explanation needed. no.

[kentatm]

didn't those MTV Rock 'N" Jock basketball games have a four point shot?

it was something like there was another rim 10 feet higher than the normal one?

[bluechox2]

make shots beyond halfcourt worth 2 points

or maybe mix it up a little, 2 points and a foul shot
or 1 point and a foulshot

[jbryan1984]

I don't think it should. Adding something like that makes it seem like a circus act imo.

[bluechox2]

yea probably.
it shouldnt go unnoticed though, maybe keep a stat of howmany hit.

[Sarcastic]

didn't those MTV Rock 'N" Jock basketball games have a four point shot?

it was something like there was another rim 10 feet higher than the normal one?

I think they had 10 or 20 point shots too.

[ZenMaster]

was 'toine actually quoted for saying something like this? I always hear about it but have never seen it



"Because there are no fours." -- on why he shoots so many threes

Makes sense :)

[krazymofo]

You guys are retarded, there's already a 4point shot, it just requires a good shooter to hit a 3pt shot and receive a foul at the same time. Only a couple of players come to mind who've attempted this shot before.

[krazymofo]

A good skilled player who balance in the shot and foul at the same time**

[Rake2204]

I think they had 10 or 20 point shots too.
I'll throw my estimation hat into the ring as well. I thought they were 25 and 50 point baskets.


yea probably.
it shouldnt go unnoticed though, maybe keep a stat of howmany hit.
Agreed. If this statistic doesn't exist, it should.

[Mrofir]

Just wanna point out that if the 4pt line were the half court line, you couldn't shoot a 4pter in the half court offense without committing backcourt violation.

Anyway I like things how they are, but I think it'd be cool to incorporate nba jam type of scenario in an all star game or the rookie-soph game or something. Why stop at 4 pointers -- there should be hot spots that light up on the floor that can be worth up to 5, 6 something like that. I would find it much more entertaining than the current all star game to see Kobe take on a triple team to try to chuck up a 6 pointer. Furthermore, it would be up for debate whether hot spot shots would be eligible for goal tending to bring it down to actual point value. Would be equally entertaining seeing dwight howard trying to goaltend on a 6 pointer. All star game is a joke anyway

edit just read the last page of the thread. ha.

[Mr. Jabbar]

I'd love to this this implemented on an all-star game or w/e exhibition matches. The sole idea brings alot of instants "no way" but in the reality I doubt it would hurt the game that much if at all...

[livingby3's]

first thing that come to my mind when i enter this thread :applause:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yL5fwhjDbYU

[tommy3]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CP8Dmjk9rWE

[Killer_Instinct]

No.

[Alonzo Magic]

How about if you miss 8 FG attempts in a row you automatically lose the game?

[Jasper]

posters that think it should be worth less ,should go back in history and join the fans that thought the 3 point line was a bull shIt idea... I was there.

I've stated for years this is a very low percentage shot , and the only time it is taken is at the end of qtr's. Which means the team that is on offense should not be penalized for not getting a shot off , because the shoot clock doesn't allow the team to get the ball into the front court for a valuable shoot.
I'm not in favor of a team controling the clock , for example if they only have 2 seconds left , they should allow a team to get an extra second or two so they can attempt a shot... the creation of the game was defined within a qtr system and a legal amount of time by the rules.

But most shots taken well outside the 3 point line are taken to score more points either before a qtr expires , or to tie the game or WIN the game. Needless to say a team that has the last possession and is up by more than 3 points won't attempt a shot , but will dribble out the clock.
For years I have stated the shot with time expiring and shoot in desperation from half court or beyond is seldom defended because it is worth only 3 points and even if it were to tie the game , most defenses won't defend it 100% , because of the potential of fouling and putting a player on the line.
But if the shot were to have legit value of tying the game or winning it with a 4 point value shot , those shots would garner respect from the defense and the excitement of the game to it's final buzzer would have even higher merit.

If we keep thinking the rules are set in stone , well we would still be playing with peach baskets . :D

[Mr. Jabbar]

posters that think it should be worth less ,should go back in history and join the fans that thought the 3 point line was a bull shIt idea... I was there.

I've stated for years this is a very low percentage shot , and the only time it is taken is at the end of qtr's. Which means the team that is on offense should not be penalized for not getting a shot off , because the shoot clock doesn't allow the team to get the ball into the front court for a valuable shoot.
I'm not in favor of a team controling the clock , for example if they only have 2 seconds left , they should allow a team to get an extra second or two so they can attempt a shot... the creation of the game was defined within a qtr system and a legal amount of time by the rules.

But most shots taken well outside the 3 point line are taken to score more points either before a qtr expires , or to tie the game or WIN the game. Needless to say a team that has the last possession and is up by more than 3 points won't attempt a shot , but will dribble out the clock.
For years I have stated the shot with time expiring and shoot in desperation from half court or beyond is seldom defended because it is worth only 3 points and even if it were to tie the game , most defenses won't defend it 100% , because of the potential of fouling and putting a player on the line.
But if the shot were to have legit value of tying the game or winning it with a 4 point value shot , those shots would garner respect from the defense and the excitement of the game to it's final buzzer would have even higher merit.

If we keep thinking the rules are set in stone , well we would still be playing with peach baskets . :D


:applause: . Good points.

[Lebron23]

Yes,

It's a difficult shot

Cons: Some of these chucker (Brandon Jennings) might destroy the flow of the game with their stupid shot jacking selection.

[Duderonomy]

I'm glad I'm not alone in wanting this :applause:

[tobethdope]

Why should shots that are luck-oriented be rewarded more? That's ****ing retarded.

u might be shocked when u will realize that in 3pt shooting there is more luck involved than in dunking, so the nba is doing exactly that, giving more points to a shot in which more luck is involved...so the only thing that is retarded is u and your argument - ****ing retarded actually

[BuffaloBill]

The game isn't broke, don't fix it. Only thing they should consider changing is the playoff format. But I'm actually fine with the way it is now

[fragokota]

It's such a low percentage shot that teams would go for it in basically "lost" games. For example your team is down 4 with 1-2 seconds left and you have possesion. I don't see any other realistic scenario where coaches would be stupid enough not to excersice the foul strategy instead.

[ILLsmak]

It's such a low percentage shot that teams would go for it in basically "lost" games. For example your team is down 4 with 1-2 seconds left and you have possesion. I don't see any other realistic scenario where coaches would be stupid enough not to excersice the foul strategy instead.


I bet there are people that can make half court shots at a decent clip, unguarded. The only reason this idea is somewhat dumb is because you can't attempt a half court shot after you cross the halfcourt line. So it would never be a set situation.

I could def see, if there was a 4 point area or 4 point line, teams having specialist guys who could space someone out to that part, tho. There are def guys who could make it 25% of the time, and that would be enough to = 50% shooting.

If that ever happened, the game would change a lot though. It'd be like having a DH. It would mainly make the game more chaotic.

-Smak

[scandisk_]

4-5 freethrow attempts for fouling a player attempting a four-pointer :roll: