why are white people such great shooters?

[JohnWall2]

every white guy dats actually good dat ive played with got some real nice jumpers... wtf is up wit dat??

[BIG_MIKE_27]

cos were not super athletic and dunkin over everyone.. so we havta be good shooters.. kinda like chicks!:P

[JohnWall2]

its unreal how good they shoot :lol u guys work on ur jumpers all day or sumthin? :lol

[DUP]

hard work beats talent when talent doesnt work hard

[AirTupac]

BECAUSE WE BOSS :pimp:

[Harrison_Barnes]

When your not the most athletic guy on the court.. you have to be a hell of a shooter.

[Maga_1]

hard work beats talent when talent doesnt work hard

this lol

[Swaggin916]

Same reason why anybody of any color is a good shooter... cus they work at it.

[Rake2204]

hard work beats talent when talent doesnt work hard
Well said.

Same reason why anybody of any color is a good shooter... cus they work at it.
And also true.

[JohnWall2]

hard work beats talent when talent doesnt work hard
:cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

[Noble6]

cause they got that shooters touch

[Lakerlove420]

White Men Can't Jump

[01amberfirewv]

every white guy dats actually good dat ive played with got some real nice jumpers... wtf is up wit dat??


I think it has more to do with the playgrounds they grow up on than the color of their skin. I've played with some really good black shooters and some really talented white players. One of the best dunkers I ever played with was a 6'4" white player that went on to play for Radford when they made it to the NCAA tournament.

[bobbyflay]

Well, the best shooter I mean shooters(just remembered another guy) I have seen were white. Both were at the gym also. Some of them seem to be very athletic, yet they don't use it. My god the the high school players are awesome(saw one from Orange Lutheran that was perfect in every aspect of his game but you know could improve it but you can't find any weakness). They just seem so robotic when they shoot. Same freaking form every single time/same freaking result.

Not trying to be racist, but here are my experiences.

White People:Absolutely dominating in the gym. I barely see them in the parks at all. I see a lot of white people who are guys that are DON'T LET HIM DO ANYTHING FROM 28 FEET.

Black People:Absolutely the most athletic in the gym. I see them a lot more than white people in the parks. However, I barely see them though. They are usually the tallest and buffest people in the gyms. I honestly have never seen any of them with a midrange shot. They could either shoot it from 25 feet or just layup.

Mexicans: I swear I never see them at the gym or parks. This mexican american's generation is still about soccer. Most of my high school juniors and seniors basketball players are mexican due to 3 groups of Asians quitting. Hopefully more go to basketball :D

Asians:For some reason, there are a lot of groups of old fob men in parks. They barely defend, shooting forms are shet, yet they keep on owning. They are very knowledgeable about the game(the old men). The high school school kids may be very good. However, they seem to like other sports more such as football and especially track. Honestly, I'm one of like maybe 2 or 3 kids that are asian who practices basketball and might be one out of 3 who works at it and is probably the only one who is going to give it my all. Now I see why some "basketball players" suck and don't get better. They just don't work on their game.

Sorry for run-ons. I run on when I'm passionate about something :D

[ghettoracer]

race has nothing to do with good shooting. it's just hard work. reggie miller is one of the best and last time check he isn't white. :-) but with MJ's precedence, who knows what can happen. :cheers:

[bobbyflay]

but then again the Nba is when talent words hard or the people with the most talent. But, yeah it goes down to working hard :D

Edit: Below: That's exactly what I'm talking about. It's just that to me, people who are more talented then others who also work harder are the ones up there and the ones who are more talented but don't work hard still dominate against others who work harder than them but they have less skills.

[SinJackal]

Hope this doesn't come off as racist, but this is my observation from experience.

White guys usually just shoot when they play eachother, rather than drive and do flashy stuff. My brother pretty much only shot jumpers, so he's a good shooter, but can't do anything in the post and can barely hit contested layups to save his life.

You're basically just good at what you grew up doing most of the time. Black kids tend to like the speedy flashy parts of basketball since it makes you look cool, white guys like the shooting and stuff that helps you actually win the games.

My game looks pretty bad, but I usually win 1v1 and 2v2, because I have good defense, an ugly but good slashing moveset, and can hit jumpers. Pretty much the opposite of the flashy/cool game that some black guys have.

To me though (a white guy), I'd rather win (especially win big) than look good but lose. Of course. . .plenty of black guys have good jumpers too. My friend Lawrence had a badass jumper, good dribbles, good D', good slashing moves, was fast, etc. Whole package pretty much.

Anyway can be good, but that's just my guess as to why the random white guy seems to have the same generic game, just like the random black guy seems to have their same generic game. It's just how they play I guess :P

White guys want to have good dribbles, and black guys want to shoot well, but they just don't do it enough to be good at it.

[Go Getter]

Hope this doesn't come off as racist, but this is my observation from experience.

White guys usually just shoot when they play eachother, rather than drive and do flashy stuff. My brother pretty much only shot jumpers, so he's a good shooter, but can't do anything in the post and can barely hit contested layups to save his life.

You're basically just good at what you grew up doing most of the time. Black kids tend to like the speedy flashy parts of basketball since it makes you look cool, white guys like the shooting and stuff that helps you actually win the games.

My game looks pretty bad, but I usually win 1v1 and 2v2, because I have good defense, an ugly but good slashing moveset, and can hit jumpers. Pretty much the opposite of the flashy/cool game that some black guys have.

To me though (a white guy), I'd rather win (especially win big) than look good but lose. Of course. . .plenty of black guys have good jumpers too. My friend Lawrence had a badass jumper, good dribbles, good D', good slashing moves, was fast, etc. Whole package pretty much.

Anyway can be good, but that's just my guess as to why the random white guy seems to have the same generic game, just like the random black guy seems to have their same generic game. It's just how they play I guess :P

White guys want to have good dribbles, and black guys want to shoot well, but they just don't do it enough to be good at it.


Black guys can't shoot?

*Dale Ellis, Glen Rice, Reggie Miller, Ray Allen, Craig Hodges, Carmelo Anthony, Kobe Bryant, Michael Adams, Dell Curry etc, etc, etc...

I grew up in Chicago and there are A.A. kids that play every style you can find in the game of basketball, seriously.

[dallasballer]

idk. it seems like black people can dunk better. but then again, race doesnt matter. i get what ur saying though

[lil_watz]

Black guys can't shoot?

*Dale Ellis, Glen Rice, Reggie Miller, Ray Allen, Craig Hodges, Carmelo Anthony, Kobe Bryant, Michael Adams, Dell Curry etc, etc, etc...

I grew up in Chicago and there are A.A. kids that play every style you can find in the game of basketball, seriously.


Read his post, he never said black guys can't shoot. He even refered to a friend who had the whole package, shooting, driving, defense, everything. You are correct, those guys could and can shoot lights out, and I'm sure Sinjackel won't refute that, he was just saying that you are typically a product of the style of play you grew up around

[01amberfirewv]

Black guys can't shoot?

*Dale Ellis, Glen Rice, Reggie Miller, Ray Allen, Craig Hodges, Carmelo Anthony, Kobe Bryant, Michael Adams, Dell Curry etc, etc, etc...

I grew up in Chicago and there are A.A. kids that play every style you can find in the game of basketball, seriously.


I think your reading too much into the thread. There are a lot of black players who are great shooters and white players who are great dunkers. I still say it has more to do with where you grew up playing than what color you are

[Swaggin916]

I think your reading too much into the thread. There are a lot of black players who are great shooters and white players who are great dunkers. I still say it has more to do with where you grew up playing than what color you are

there are not a lot of white players who are great dunkers :lol

Plenty of black guys who can shoot tho. It's rare to have someone come into the NBA who is both athletic and can get to the rim but also shoot. It's mostly one or the other, and it's all about what you grew up doing and what worked for you. I grew up a shooter cus I could drain em... It worked for me. Nowadays, I am still a shooter first but also have a pretty nasty post game. My finishing moves on the drive are below average tho and finishing in traffic is hard for me. It would take me a a year or 2 of constant playing to get good at just vs. pick up scrubs :lol Basically all you have to do is master when to use a jumpstop and when to finish off 1 leg tho... once you have that down, it makes finishing a whole lot easier.

[DUP]

gotta give respect to the white guy showing up to the courts ballin

[JoelJ]

It's just a matter of people working on their strengths and practicing. There's great shooters of every race, but white guys in general end up practicing their shooting a lot more than anything else.

[JSmooth]

Hope this doesn't come off as racist, but this is my observation from experience.

White guys usually just shoot when they play eachother, rather than drive and do flashy stuff. My brother pretty much only shot jumpers, so he's a good shooter, but can't do anything in the post and can barely hit contested layups to save his life.

You're basically just good at what you grew up doing most of the time. Black kids tend to like the speedy flashy parts of basketball since it makes you look cool, white guys like the shooting and stuff that helps you actually win the games.

My game looks pretty bad, but I usually win 1v1 and 2v2, because I have good defense, an ugly but good slashing moveset, and can hit jumpers. Pretty much the opposite of the flashy/cool game that some black guys have.

To me though (a white guy), I'd rather win (especially win big) than look good but lose. Of course. . .plenty of black guys have good jumpers too. My friend Lawrence had a badass jumper, good dribbles, good D', good slashing moves, was fast, etc. Whole package pretty much.

Anyway can be good, but that's just my guess as to why the random white guy seems to have the same generic game, just like the random black guy seems to have their same generic game. It's just how they play I guess :P

White guys want to have good dribbles, and black guys want to shoot well, but they just don't do it enough to be good at it.

kinda agree wit that

[JSmooth]

Hope this doesn't come off as racist, but this is my observation from experience.

White guys usually just shoot when they play eachother, rather than drive and do flashy stuff. My brother pretty much only shot jumpers, so he's a good shooter, but can't do anything in the post and can barely hit contested layups to save his life.

You're basically just good at what you grew up doing most of the time. Black kids tend to like the speedy flashy parts of basketball since it makes you look cool, white guys like the shooting and stuff that helps you actually win the games.

My game looks pretty bad, but I usually win 1v1 and 2v2, because I have good defense, an ugly but good slashing moveset, and can hit jumpers. Pretty much the opposite of the flashy/cool game that some black guys have.

To me though (a white guy), I'd rather win (especially win big) than look good but lose. Of course. . .plenty of black guys have good jumpers too. My friend Lawrence had a badass jumper, good dribbles, good D', good slashing moves, was fast, etc. Whole package pretty much.

Anyway can be good, but that's just my guess as to why the random white guy seems to have the same generic game, just like the random black guy seems to have their same generic game. It's just how they play I guess :P

White guys want to have good dribbles, and black guys want to shoot well, but they just don't do it enough to be good at it.

kinda agree wit that

[EvanW]

I have a theory that all this "why do a lot of black guys do this and a lot of white guys don't, and vice versa" stuff is all just social. Self-fulfilling prophecy is a good term to describe it.

I could get really deep with it because that's how much I've thought about it but the basic idea is that, if you grow up with a certain mindset, that is how you will likely develop as you grow.

So, people say as they watch college/nba that the black guys dunk better, jump higher, and have better handles. So it would be easy to assume that younger black kids will grow up with the mindset that they can dunk over everybody and jump out of the gym and have the best handles, so that's the game they try to develop.

With white kids it's the same thing. When a white player makes a big impact and is balling, the terms usually used to describe his game are "great fundamentals," "smart," "great vision," or something along those lines. Rarely are athletic type adjectives used. So as a result, white kids develop their game along those lines - shooting, decision making, fundamentals.

But we've all seen enough youtube clips to know that there really isn't that kind of athletic barrier. I mean there could be SOME difference, but it's miniscule.

So anyway to hopefully attempt to summarize: white kids and black kids hear the public opinion about black players and white players through TV, internet, magazines, etc, and simply develop their games around how they think they should play.

IMO if you develop a black kid and a white kid in a vacuum with no outside influences, just to play basketball, they would be so similar it would almost seem like the same person.

[01amberfirewv]

IMO if you develop a black kid and a white kid in a vacuum with no outside influences, just to play basketball, they would be so similar it would almost seem like the same person.


I have to agree with that statement. A lot of white kids grow up thinking white men can't jump and because Larry Bird was a great shooter white people have to be good shooters. Your shooting and jumping ability have little to do with you skin color though.

[Nelson14]

same reason black people are such good slashers

























it's wha tthey practice

[poster]

same reason black people are such good slashers






it's wha tthey practice
cant really practice slashing alone

[Scholar]

Well, the best shooter I mean shooters(just remembered another guy)

Next time you realize that you forgot to add something, here's a friendly tip:
Unless your keyboard is actually a typewriter and you print every post, then scan it to put it on your computer so you can upload it onto the internet, I'm pretty sure you have a backspace. Yes, the Backspace. Clearly, you meant shooters. Why the fck couldn't you just use the BACKSPACE to add the "s" into your "Well, the best shooter" statement? It makes no sense!
I know this is a silly thing for me to get annoyed about but I just don't understand why the fck... Oh, forget it. I mean **** it (just remembered another word).

Anyway, no disrespect to you, OP, but this thread is dumb. Just stop stereotyping and realize that it's not the color of an individual's skin that makes him/her great. It's how much effort he/she puts into his/her game to become great.

[JohnWall2]

cant really practice slashing alone
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

[northwinds]

When your not the most athletic guy on the court.. you have to be a hell of a shooter.

Yep, that's why this unathletic white guy just practices his jumper.....dude can't jump....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JG5zkn0IEyE&feature=player_embedded

LMAO

[DUP]

Yep, that's why this unathletic white guy just practices his jumper.....dude can't jump....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JG5zkn0IEyE&feature=player_embedded

LMAO

sweet jesus

[J21]

Yep, that's why this unathletic white guy just practices his jumper.....dude can't jump....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JG5zkn0IEyE&feature=player_embedded

LMAO

wow that was insane.. but it's not common for us white folk to be great natural jumpers.

btw i found a better quality version http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHg3cZJpmhU

[01amberfirewv]

One of my favorite white boy dunks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DotSO6957qU

he could get up

[bdreason]

I'm sorry, but claiming that black players attack the rim more than white players because "it looks cool" is ridiculous. Black players attack the rim because it's a higher % shot, and they can.

[Swaggin916]

I'm sorry, but claiming that black players attack the rim more than white players because "it looks cool" is ridiculous. Black players attack the rim because it's a higher % shot, and they can.

Agreed. I mean it's the same thing in Soccer... the guys who can get past their man will try to get past them for a higher percentage play whereas the guys who can't will settle for long distance shots more. Black players are just better at breaking down their men and gettign higher percentage shots.

[bobbyflay]

Next time you realize that you forgot to add something, here's a friendly tip:
Unless your keyboard is actually a typewriter and you print every post, then scan it to put it on your computer so you can upload it onto the internet, I'm pretty sure you have a backspace. Yes, the Backspace. Clearly, you meant shooters. Why the fck couldn't you just use the BACKSPACE to add the "s" into your "Well, the best shooter" statement? It makes no sense!
I know this is a silly thing for me to get annoyed about but I just don't understand why the fck... Oh, forget it. I mean **** it (just remembered another word).

Anyway, no disrespect to you, OP, but this thread is dumb. Just stop stereotyping and realize that it's not the color of an individual's skin that makes him/her great. It's how much effort he/she puts into his/her game to become great.

LOL alright man. Fitting post for your name.

I think this is more of a "what have you experienced" question. If you live in an area with new Vietnam transfers and white Americans, you probably will say that white Americans are freakishly athletic. Also, it's there parents that make their game better too...(genes)

[northwinds]

wow that was insane.. but it's not common for us white folk to be great natural jumpers.


Racist much?.....next thing you know you will be telling us that blacks don't have the intellectual ability to play quarterback in the NFL......:roll:

[J21]

Racist much?.....next thing you know you will be telling us that blacks don't have the intellectual ability to play quarterback in the NFL......:roll:
actually yeah, they usually score less on the wonderlic test, and it's not like the NFL is filled with black quaterbacks.
That ain't being racist, that's being honest.

[Kombo]

actually yeah, they usually score less on the wonderlic test, and it's not like the NFL is filled with black quaterbacks.
That ain't being racist, that's being honest.

The percentage of blacks in the US is like 10-15%.

There are 32 NFL teams.

Some black quarterbacks that started a game this year in the NFL:

Donovan McNabb, David Garrard, Jason Campbell, Michael Vick, Josh Freeman, Vince Young, Troy Smith, Joe Webb, Seneca Wallace.

I'm sure there are some more too. That's about a third of the teams using black quarterbacks as starters.

And lets be honest, being an NFL quarterback doesn't require you to be a rocket scientist.

[01amberfirewv]

I still don't know why we are saying players play a particular way because of their skin color. I tell the players I work with that they are not black or white players, they are just players who happen to be black or white. When I think of Majic and Bird I don't think of a white player and a black player I think of two of the greatest. They played different but they grew up in two completely different towns.

[Swaggin916]

The percentage of blacks in the US is like 10-15%.

There are 32 NFL teams.

Some black quarterbacks that started a game this year in the NFL:

Donovan McNabb, David Garrard, Jason Campbell, Michael Vick, Josh Freeman, Vince Young, Troy Smith, Joe Webb, Seneca Wallace.

I'm sure there are some more too. That's about a third of the teams using black quarterbacks as starters.

And lets be honest, being an NFL quarterback doesn't require you to be a rocket scientist.

How many of those guys are good? How many have won a superbowl?

I'm not saying it's cus their dumb, but nobody has been able to win a bowl with a black Qb besides the Redskins with Doug Williams... and he wasn't the reason they were good, but he did have a good superbowl. I think it comes down to them being able to run... most of them when in high school and college could just run over and around people, so they never got the basics of throwing and were too old to be taught and apply it when in the NFL. It's like drafting a guy who has no jumpshot or can't finish at the rim... chances are very low that he is going to develop one. It's very relevant to what we are talking about actually.

it does come down to percentage numbers too tho. There aren't very many people who can play the QB position at the highest level very effectively no matter what race they are... and whites outnumbering blacks like 4-1 in the US does make a difference.

[Scholar]

It's like drafting a guy who has no jumpshot or can't finish at the rim... chances are very low that he is going to develop one.

Jason Kidd came into the league with limited shooting ability. Now he sits as one of the top 3-pters made leaders in the league all-time.
I can't believe this is still being discussed. I mean, c'mon, guys. Unless you're a dumbass who has been living under a rock, you need to realize that race is just a man-made term. The only true race that exists among us is the human race.

[chairman]

Hope this doesn't come off as racist, but this is my observation from experience.

White guys usually just shoot when they play eachother, rather than drive and do flashy stuff. My brother pretty much only shot jumpers, so he's a good shooter, but can't do anything in the post and can barely hit contested layups to save his life.

You're basically just good at what you grew up doing most of the time. Black kids tend to like the speedy flashy parts of basketball since it makes you look cool, white guys like the shooting and stuff that helps you actually win the games.

My game looks pretty bad, but I usually win 1v1 and 2v2, because I have good defense, an ugly but good slashing moveset, and can hit jumpers. Pretty much the opposite of the flashy/cool game that some black guys have.

To me though (a white guy), I'd rather win (especially win big) than look good but lose. Of course. . .plenty of black guys have good jumpers too. My friend Lawrence had a badass jumper, good dribbles, good D', good slashing moves, was fast, etc. Whole package pretty much.

Anyway can be good, but that's just my guess as to why the random white guy seems to have the same generic game, just like the random black guy seems to have their same generic game. It's just how they play I guess :P

White guys want to have good dribbles, and black guys want to shoot well, but they just don't do it enough to be good at it.
So if im half white/black i am legend?

[J21]

Jason Kidd came into the league with limited shooting ability. Now he sits as one of the top 3-pters made leaders in the league all-time.
I can't believe this is still being discussed. I mean, c'mon, guys. Unless you're a dumbass who has been living under a rock, you need to realize that race is just a man-made term. The only true race that exists among us is the human race.
there is scientific proof that western africans have better fast twitch muscles than other ethnicities.

Say what you want, but race is a factor in your physical development.

[Lakerlove420]

White Men Can't Jump

negged for this post lol..
thanks un-signed negger..

(I wish I could neg myself for this post

[JohnWall2]

dis thread turned to da wrong direction

[AirTupac]

there is scientific proof that western africans have better fast twitch muscles than other ethnicities.

Say what you want, but race is a factor in your physical development.

Pretty much. They also have the ability to train their fast twitch muscles into slow twitch muscles as well so they get the best of both worlds.

[01amberfirewv]

Pretty much. They also have the ability to train their fast twitch muscles into slow twitch muscles as well so they get the best of both worlds.


Then they aren't really fast twitch muscles. Fast slow twitch cannot be changed there is a third type that can take on characteristics of the other two. Everybody has this type but some have it more than others. I doubt that this is true with all blacks though because most Americans, white or black have ancestors from all over the world. Genetically speaking there is more difference between a white person with dark hair and a red head than that same white person and someone with dark skin. Its a pointless debate though.

I guess Kenya would be eastern Africa but I would guess that Kenyans would have more slow twitch fibers than others

[AirTupac]

Then they aren't really fast twitch muscles. Fast slow twitch cannot be changed there is a third type that can take on characteristics of the other two. Everybody has this type but some have it more than others. I doubt that this is true with all blacks though because most Americans, white or black have ancestors from all over the world. Genetically speaking there is more difference between a white person with dark hair and a red head than that same white person and someone with dark skin. Its a pointless debate though.

I guess Kenya would be eastern Africa but I would guess that Kenyans would have more slow twitch fibers than others

Fast twitch muscles can be trained into slow twitch muscles while slow twitch muscles can only remain the same.

[northwinds]

there is scientific proof that western africans have better fast twitch muscles than other ethnicities.

Say what you want, but race is a factor in your physical development.

And there is sceintific evidence that the average IQ in Sub-Saharan Africa in about 72......thus, the lack of good black QBs in the NFL? "Say what you want, but race is a factor"....LOL

[J21]

And there is sceintific evidence that the average IQ in Sub-Saharan Africa in about 72......thus, the lack of good black QBs in the NFL? "Say what you want, but race is a factor"....LOL
I don't know what you're talking about, but unless you have something interesting to say, write it down in an articulate and comprehensive way, otherwise, shut the **** up.

[C-Webb4]

Because they have to make up for a lack of leaping ability.

/thread

[northwinds]

I don't know what you're talking about, but unless you have something interesting to say, write it down in an articulate and comprehensive way, otherwise, shut the **** up.

Dude....you're the one that brought up genetic racial differences, claiming blacks are superior to whites in jumping ability....I just took your argument to its logical end....sorry you can't comprehend a simple paragraph.....that's a "you" problem.

[pauk]

Im white 6'0" tall
got 38" vertical last time i measured
yes i can dunk, im fast also

but i would trade all my athleticism for a larry bird stroke
i put up at least 2000 shots everyday
nothing beats the sound of swish

[Swaggin916]

Jason Kidd came into the league with limited shooting ability. Now he sits as one of the top 3-pters made leaders in the league all-time.
I can't believe this is still being discussed. I mean, c'mon, guys. Unless you're a dumbass who has been living under a rock, you need to realize that race is just a man-made term. The only true race that exists among us is the human race.

A set shot is different. Jason Kidd still can't make a jump shot, only a set 3. You can get like a million reps a day at those... not that impressive. still have to give him his props for developing one, cus like I said, the chances are low that someone who can't do it coming into the league become effective at it.

[J21]

Dude....you're the one that brought up genetic racial differences, claiming blacks are superior to whites in jumping ability....I just took your argument to its logical end....sorry you can't comprehend a simple paragraph.....that's a "you" problem.
they are. they have more fast twitch muscles

end of discussion. you didn't provide any facts, you just tried to make a weak straw man argument and failed miserably.