Dwyane Wade vs Top 5 Teams in the League!! [NOT GOOD]

[Hulk Hogan]

Dwayne Wade VS. Top 5 Teams



Magics
Boston
Dallas
Lakers
Spur (not yet)


Points: 18.1
Field Goal Percent: 36%
Rebounds: 5.1
Assists: 5
Turnovers: 4

I can't believe this guy is even considered a Top 3 player this season, he has been terrible against the great teams and great defense. One thing I noticed was, whenever Wade shoots 6 or less free throws versus the top 5 teams, his efficiency rate drops well blow 50%. Basically his field goal percentage is dictated on whether the refs bails him out or not!

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

Wade was not 100% in those two Boston games



FAIL THREAD

[Hulk Hogan]

Wade was not 100% in those two Boston games


Excuses Excuses:
There was nothing wrong with wade. No injuries.

Wade After the first Boston Game.

30 points vs sixers.

Wade before the second Boston game.

26 points vs Minny - 70%
28 points vs NO - 43%
29 points vs NJ - 58%
39 points vs Utah - 53%


Yes wade wasn't 100% yet he was killing every other team before he faced Boston. :facepalm

After the boston Game Wade continued his dominance of weak teams; 31 points vs Toronto on 68% shooting.

and ofcourse Wade wasn't 100% vs Magics, Dallas, Lakers and ofcourse the Magics again tomorrow.

[Clutch]

Bryant vs top5 teams:

Points : 25.0
Rebounds: 4.5
Assists: 3.5
FG : 44.4 %

LeBron vs top5 teams:

Points: 25.0
Rebounds: 7.9
Assists: 6.3
FG: 43%

Dwight Howard vs top5 teams:

Points: 23.3
Rebounds: 14.6
Assists: 0.9
FG: 60%

[Heat_Fan21]

Wade abused Boston in the playoffs last year. He starts slow. He'll be there when it matters.

[PJR]

Honestly, what's with the agenda driven threads? Can't we all just appreciate all these great players?

[Hulk Hogan]

Wade abused Boston in the playoffs last year. He starts slow. He'll be there when it matters.

That is last season not this season. Wade has not business in the discussion of Top 3 players this season playing like that. Wade stans don't want you to see the real stats he puts up against the top 5 teams of the league!

[tommy3]

That is last season not this season. Wade has not business in the discussion of Top 3 players this season playing like that. Wade stans don't want you to see the real stats he puts up against the top 5 teams of the league!
Wade>Kobe

[Hulk Hogan]

Honestly, what's with the agenda driven threads? Can't we all just appreciate all these great players?

Its not agenda driven, its putting out the truth.
If I remember stats don't lie. Wade has been terrible against great teams. He is not a top 3 player. His percentage is deceiving because it works against weak teams, but great teams close out the lanes and force him to shoot the jumper.

He can destroy weak teams going something like 12/17 all on drives, layups and dunks, shooting over 60%. This boosts his percentage creating an illusion. He is the best penetrator in the game.
Yes I agree, but when it comes to great teams. That just doesn't work. He gets shutdown really easily!

[Heat_Fan21]

That is last season not this season. Wade has not business in the discussion of Top 3 players this season playing like that. Wade stans don't want you to see the real stats he puts up against the top 5 teams of the league!

I think it is best to wait till the playoffs to see what happens. Regular season games have a lot of different variables. Wade was out for weeks before the season opener and he did injure his wrist in the Utah game which was right before the Heat played the Celtics.

[Ikill]

That is last season not this season. Wade has not business in the discussion of Top 3 players this season playing like that. Wade stans don't want you to see the real stats he puts up against the top 5 teams of the league!
I hear this at the start of every season and by the end all you haters don't say shit.

[tommy3]

Its not agenda driven, its putting out the truth.
If I remember stats don't lie. Wade has been terrible against great teams. He is not a top 3 player. His percentage is deceiving because it works against weak teams, but great teams close out the lanes and force him to shoot the jumper.

He can destroy weak teams going something like 12/17 all on drives, layups and dunks, shooting over 60%. This boosts his percentage creating an illusion. He is the best penetrator in the game.
Yes I agree, but when it comes to great teams. That just doesn't work. He gets shutdown really easily!
okay:rolleyes:

[canefandynasty]

Its not agenda driven, its putting out the truth.
If I remember stats don't lie. Wade has been terrible against great teams. He is not a top 3 player. His percentage is deceiving because it works against weak teams, but great teams close out the lanes and force him to shoot the jumper.

He can destroy weak teams going something like 12/17 all on drives, layups and dunks, shooting over 60%. This boosts his percentage creating an illusion. He is the best penetrator in the game.
Yes I agree, but when it comes to great teams. That just doesn't work. He gets shutdown really easily!

Are we forgetting what he has done against great defenses in the past? Like last year against Boston, or his early years against the Pistons.

I trust Wade moreso than LeBron to perform well against the toughest teams in the postseason. A sample of games from this season does not dictate his whole career.

[ashbelly]

Hulk it's ok to say you don't like Wade, :oldlol: @ the weak attempt.. ain't bulls a top team ? They've beat the lakers/celtics/Spurs/heat..

[B-Easy]

wade has done great against elite teams his whole career .. and youre here coming to conclusions over a 7 game sample size

[Hulk Hogan]

I think it is best to wait till the playoffs to see what happens. Regular season games have a lot of different variables. Wade was out for weeks before the season opener and he did injure his wrist in the Utah game which was right before the Heat played the Celtics.

LOL @ Wade fans trying to bend time and history.
Tell me does this so called unconfirmed injury appear when he plays boston and disappears when he doesn't?

I already pointed out to you, Wade was beasting against bad teams before and after they played Boston. Averaging close to 60%FG. It has nothing to do with any injury.

By the way Kobe injured his other finger before the Christmas day, but I don't see anyone complaining about that.


26 points vs Minny - 70%
28 points vs NO - 43%
29 points vs NJ - 58%
39 points vs Utah - 53%
31 points vs Toronto on 68%

etc...

Why couldn't wade do that against Boston?

[ashbelly]

wade has done great against elite teams his whole career .. and youre here coming to conclusions over a 7 game sample size

This..

[Hulk Hogan]

wade has done great against elite teams his whole career .. and youre here coming to conclusions over a 7 game sample size

No I'm coming to a conclusion on the Top 3 players of this season.
It has nothing to do with what they did in the past or last year. It has everything to do with what they did THIS SEASON!

Its not a Career or Alltime ranking. ITS THIS SEASON'S RANKING!

Get with the program. Wade sux against great team this season and isn't a top 3 player this seaosn!

[Hulk Hogan]

LOL Wade fans can't stand the fact that their god can't score against the best teams in the league.:oldlol:

Stats don't lie, they are telling the truth even when it doesn't favor your favorite player.
Wade fans better pray Wade gets more than 6 free throws tomorrow or its another down-hill game for him.

[ginobli2311]

hulk...just stop it.

wade was clearly hampered early on this year for starters....and your sample size is laughable

LOL

[Hulk Hogan]

hulk...just stop it.

wade was clearly hampered early on this year for starters....and your sample size is laughable

LOL

Another excuse that has already been debunked.

26 points vs Minny - 70%
28 points vs NO - 43%
29 points vs NJ - 58%
39 points vs Utah - 53%
31 points vs Toronto on 68%

These are before and after the boston game. Why is it that Wade could put up near 70% efficiency then the next day sunk to 13%? Because when the defense gets tough, he stinks!

Also what excuse are you gonna make for the Dallas & Magics games? Or the Lakers game?

All wade fans can do is use anonymous injuries as excuses. Yet pounce on guys like Kobe when they have a bad game even when injured. Like coming out of surgery or injuring his finger on the other hand right before the christmas game.

The excuses are endless. Again Stats don't lie. Wade is piss poor against great teams. Just deal with it. His not top 3 this season!

Tomorrow they face the Magics, watch the excuses start pouring in.
You better pray he shoots more than 6 free-throws.

[jrong]

This thread isn't worth the time. Let it fall. By every measurement, Wade is a top two player this year and better than Kobe.

[Heat_Fan21]

LOL Wade fans can't stand the fact that their god can't score against the best teams in the league.:oldlol:

Stats don't lie, they are telling the truth even when it doesn't favor your favorite player.
Wade fans better pray Wade gets more than 6 free throws tomorrow or its another down-hill game for him.

Playoffs tell a better story. Why all the hate? If he can't score against elite teams then it is what it is. They'll lose. Wade is a winner and I am sure he'll score come April no matter who the Heat play.

[canefandynasty]

I'm more concerned about LeBron than Wade performing against elite teams in the postseason.

Wade is the best postseason player in the NBA. LeBron is the best regualar season player.

[LilBTheBasedGod]

I would probably put Chicago over Dallas or Orlando.

[Ikill]

Another excuse that has already been debunked.

26 points vs Minny - 70%
28 points vs NO - 43%
29 points vs NJ - 58%
39 points vs Utah - 53%
31 points vs Toronto on 68%

These are before and after the boston game. Why is it that Wade could put up near 70% efficiency then the next day sunk to 13%? Because when the defense gets tough, he stinks!

Also what excuse are you gonna make for the Dallas & Magics games? Or the Lakers game?

All wade fans can do is use anonymous injuries as excuses. Yet pounce on guys like Kobe when they have a bad game even when injured. Like coming out of surgery or injuring his finger on the other hand right before the christmas game.

The excuses are endless. Again Stats don't lie. Wade is piss poor against great teams. Just deal with it. His not top 3 this season!

Tomorrow they face the Magics, watch the excuses start pouring in.
You better pray he shoots more than 6 free-throws.
Why are you such a hater

[ginobli2311]

Another excuse that has already been debunked.

26 points vs Minny - 70%
28 points vs NO - 43%
29 points vs NJ - 58%
39 points vs Utah - 53%
31 points vs Toronto on 68%

These are before and after the boston game. Why is it that Wade could put up near 70% efficiency then the next day sunk to 13%? Because when the defense gets tough, he stinks!

Also what excuse are you gonna make for the Dallas & Magics games? Or the Lakers game?

All wade fans can do is use anonymous injuries as excuses. Yet pounce on guys like Kobe when they have a bad game even when injured. Like coming out of surgery or injuring his finger on the other hand right before the christmas game.

The excuses are endless. Again Stats don't lie. Wade is piss poor against great teams. Just deal with it. His not top 3 this season!

Tomorrow they face the Magics, watch the excuses start pouring in.
You better pray he shoots more than 6 free-throws.

this year wade has not been great against elite teams. but i'm sorry...a sample size of 7 games is not enough to call wade out. its just not.

who are the other 2 players better than wade so far this year?

LOL if you say kobe.

[Hulk Hogan]

This thread isn't worth the time. Let it fall. By every measurement, Wade is a top two player this year and better than Kobe.

Yet can't perform against great teams this year?

Ofcourse when wade fans face the truth, they back down.
I thought stats don't lie? So why doesn't it apply here?
Wait because it doesn't favor your favorite player?

If this was Kobe, do you think you would be saying the same thing? :oldlol:

[Ikill]

Yet can't perform against great teams this year?

Ofcourse when wade fans face the truth, they back down.
I thought stats don't lie? So why doesn't it apply here?
Wait because it doesn't favor your favorite player?

If this was Kobe, do you think you would be saying the same thing? :oldlol:
no maybe everyone is just sick of you

[BEAST Griffin]

Dwyane Wade vs Celtics in 09/10 playoffs:

33.2 ppg on 56.4%
5.6 rpg
6.8 apg
1.6 spg
1.6 bpg

Kobe Bryant vs Celtics in 09/10 playoffs:

28.5 ppg on 39.7%
8.0 rpg
3.8 apg
2.1 spg
0.7 bpg

Conclusion: Kobe took more shots, was less efficient, and had less assists per game although he had far superior teammates.

/thread

[Hulk Hogan]

Playoffs tell a better story. Why all the hate? If he can't score against elite teams then it is what it is. They'll lose. Wade is a winner and I am sure he'll score come April no matter who the Heat play.

This isn't about the playoffs, its about the regular season, there has been alot of threads hyping up wade as MVP candidate, MVPs are not given out for playoff performance but the reg season.

How can you be a candidate when you stink against the top 5 teams time and time again this season? Not possible.

These are the stats Wade fans don't want you to see.

[Walduś]

I'm more concerned about LeBron than Wade performing against elite teams in the postseason.

Wade is the best postseason player in the NBA. LeBron is the best regualar season player.
you're thinking of kobe.

[Ikill]

you're thinking of kobe.
:facepalm

[ginobli2311]

on another note:

kobe sucks in crunch time this year:

38.5% from the field 21.4% from three point line....

i guess kobe sucks in crunch time....or....the sample size is too small to get a true opinion.

you pick hulk.

[Hulk Hogan]

Dwyane Wade vs Celtics in 09/10 playoffs:

33.2 ppg on 56.4%
5.6 rpg
6.8 apg
1.6 spg
1.6 bpg

Kobe Bryant vs Celtics in 09/10 playoffs:

28.5 ppg on 39.7%
8.0 rpg
3.8 apg
2.1 spg
0.7 bpg

Conclusion: Kobe took more shots, scored less points, was less efficient, and had less assists per game although he had far superior teammates.

/thread

Again, this is about the top 3 players THIS SEASON.
I see wade fanboys can't get that through their skull.
Wade isn't a top 3 player, deal with it. His performance against top 5 teams has been poor.


By the way:

Dwyane Wade This season vs Boston Celtics: (Best defense in the league)


Game 1 : 4-16 (13pts, 6 TO)
Game 2 : 2-12 (8pts, 6 TO)

[ginobli2311]

This isn't about the playoffs, its about the regular season, there has been alot of threads hyping up wade as MVP candidate, MVPs are not given out for playoff performance but the reg season.

How can you be a candidate when you stink against the top 5 teams time and time again this season? Not possible.

These are the stats Wade fans don't want you to see.

and how can kobe be a legit mvp candidate when his defense is far inferior to wade while wade has superior offensive numbers and his team has a better record even while playing a significantly harder schedule so far.
:roll:

[B-Easy]

I would probably put Chicago over Dallas or Orlando.

yep Chicago has a better record than those teams .. but since Wade played well against Chicago hes just gonna leave em out because it hurts his argument.

[Hulk Hogan]

on another note:

kobe sucks in crunch time this year:

38.5% from the field 21.4% from three point line....

i guess kobe sucks in crunch time....or....the sample size is too small to get a true opinion.

you pick hulk.

LOL wade is shooting like 10%. He sucks so bad he doesn't even show up in 82games. When is the last time Wade has shown up in 82games clutch stats?

Why don't you just accept the fact that Wade this year is not top 3, he is not performing when it counts, against the great teams.

If this was Kobe, you would be all up and in this thread. Talking about how kobe fans doesn't like stats. But since this is your boy, you are trying to run circles around it.

Deal with it, Wade isn't top 3 this season.

[Doranku]

Dwyane Wade vs Celtics in 09/10 playoffs:

33.2 ppg on 56.4%
5.6 rpg
6.8 apg
1.6 spg
1.6 bpg

Kobe Bryant vs Celtics in 09/10 playoffs:

28.5 ppg on 39.7%
8.0 rpg
3.8 apg
2.1 spg
0.7 bpg

Conclusion: Kobe took more shots, was less efficient, and had less assists per game although he had far superior teammates.

/thread

Conclusion: LA won. Miami lost.

[Micku]

Wade hasn't been good this season against the top teams. The first Celts game could be excusable, but the others I'm not sure if he was injured or not. But, if he is capable of playing, he has to play some b-ball. He wasn't playing good b-ball in some of those games.

But, he did play some good defense on Kobe in that Laker game. He missed some easy lay ups though. I don't recall the Magic game.

[ginobli2311]

LOL wade is shooting like 10%. He sucks so bad he doesn't even show up in 82games. When is the last time Wade has shown up in 82games clutch stats?

Why don't you just accept the fact that Wade this year is not top 3, he is not performing when it counts, against the great teams.

If this was Kobe, you would be all up and in this thread. Talking about how kobe fans doesn't like stats. But since this is your boy, you are trying to run circles around it.

Deal with it, Wade isn't top 3 this season.

again. who is better?

please answer

[Hulk Hogan]

yep Chicago has a better record than those teams .. but since Wade played well against Chicago hes just gonna leave em out because it hurts his argument.
Dallas before dirk got injured had far better record than CHICAGO.
FAR better record, they had the second best record in the NBA. So that's why I picked them ahead of chicago.

Chicago are not a great team. and Wade didn't play really well against them either. Sure he shot over 50% but only because he got hot at the end of the game.

He was having a bad game throughout the game. So let's not get over ourselves. His your favorite player, so what. Deal with the stats, accept them.

[Hulk Hogan]

again. who is better?

please answer


Wade hasn't shown up on 82games and hasn't shown up for many years. That means he is not clutch WHATSOEVER! But I like how you try to change the topic. This is the same thing you do. Try to cherry pick. Too bad this time it won't work. Wade sucks against great games. Stats prove it. You can't argue with them. Not only that. He has missed the most game typing and winning shots this season. He is terrible in clutch situation aswell.

[ginobli2311]

Wade hasn't shown up on 82games and hasn't shown up for many years.

have you ever heard me say wade is a great clutch player or great in game winning situations?

he isn't.

i'm asking you....who is better than wade so far this year. name the players please.

[Doranku]

have you ever heard me say wade is a great clutch player or great in game winning situations?

he isn't.

i'm asking you....who is better than wade so far this year. name the players please.

Dirk is the only person that I would put above him.

[BEAST Griffin]

Wade hasn't shown up on 82games and hasn't shown up for many years. That means he is not clutch WHATSOEVER! But I like how you try to change the topic. This is the same thing you do. Try to cherry pick. Too bad this time it won't work. Wade sucks against great games. Stats prove it. You can't argue with them. Not only that. He has missed the most game typing and winning shots this season. He is terrible in clutch situation aswell.

You Kobe dick riders have started this yourselves. You're the ones who hyped Kobe with this "Mr. Clutch" label.

I don't see many people going around trying to make Wade seem like a super clutch player....

[ginobli2311]

Dirk is the only person that I would put above him.

i'd have dirk over him for mvp.

but if we are just talking about best player so far this year?

wade is right there with anyone in my opinion. hulk saying he's not top 3...i don't even know what that means?

so again hulk. name 3 players clearly better than wade so far this year.

[ginobli2311]

You Kobe dick riders have started this yourselves. You're the ones who hyped Kobe with this "Mr. Clutch" label.

I don't see many people going around trying to make Wade seem like a super clutch player....

exactly.

which is why kobe remains the most overhyped clutch player ever. just look at the playoffs....he's shooting around 20% on game winners in the playoffs for his career.

LOL

[Hulk Hogan]

this year wade has not been great against elite teams. but i'm sorry...a sample size of 7 games is not enough to call wade out. its just not.

who are the other 2 players better than wade so far this year?

LOL if you say kobe.

Kobe and Lebron Obviously

Kobe is averaging 25points on 44% against the top 5 teams...
Lebron stats is similar to that... I will check it right now!

and yes a sample size of 7 is enough especially when like 4 or 5 more games are left against the 5 top teams.

More samples are coming this week especially tomorrow and then sunday!

[ginobli2311]

Kobe and Lebron Obviously

Kobe is averaging 25points on 44% against the top 5 teams...

Lebron stats is similar to that... I will check it right now!

but why are you only talking about 7 games? do the other games not matter.

in no way has kobe clearly been better than wade so far this year.

you can't just count a handful of games dude.

sorry.

and even if you put lebron and kobe over wade. that is only 2 players....you said he's not top 3.

since when do we only count games against good teams. LOL

[Hulk Hogan]

but why are you only talking about 7 games? do the other games not matter.

in now way has kobe clearly been better than wade so far this year.

you can't just count a handful of games dude.

sorry.

and even if you put lebron and kobe over wade. that is only 2 players....you said he's not top 3.

since when do we only count games against good teams. LOL

LeBron vs top5 teams:

Points: 25.0
Rebounds: 7.9
Assists: 6.3
FG: 43%

Dwight Howard vs top5 teams:

Points: 23.3
Rebounds: 14.6
Assists: 0.9
FG: 60%


If you are going to tell me a player is top 3 or even top 2, he has do atleast OK against the top 5 teams in the league that season. The reason you don't like the stats is because it doesn't favor your player.

[ginobli2311]

LeBron vs top5 teams:

Points: 25.0
Rebounds: 7.9
Assists: 6.3
FG: 43%

Dwight Howard vs top5 teams:

Points: 23.3
Rebounds: 14.6
Assists: 0.9
FG: 60%


If you are going to tell me a player is top 3 or even top 2, he has to good atleast OK against the top 5 teams in the league that season. The reason you don't like the stats is because it doesn't favor your player.

no. i love these stats. it means that lebron has a pretty good argument over wade for best player on the heat.

and it means that kobe has played better against the best teams than wade. but that alone is not enough to put kobe over wade overall. wade has been better against the bad teams than kobe. that matters as well. and again....the heat have a better record even while playing a tougher schedule.....

and again...wade's overall numbers are better than kobe's......

and again....wade's defense is far superior to kobe's so far....

you have to include everything. you can't just "cherry pick" one stat and use it to devalue or value a player.

overall....wade has been better than kobe.

[B-Easy]

Kobe and Lebron Obviously

Kobe is averaging 25points on 44% against the top 5 teams...
Lebron stats is similar to that... I will check it right now!

and yes a sample size of 7 is enough especially when like 4 or 5 more games are left against the 5 top teams.

More samples are coming this week especially tomorrow and then sunday!

why isnt dwight howard ahead of Kobe and Lebron . .his numbers have been the best against top 5 teams:oldlol:

[Dolphin]

Wade is the best guard in the NBA right now.

My opinion > a kid in gradeschool who's name is.....Hulk Hogan.....lol:roll:

[Hulk Hogan]

why isnt dwight howard ahead of Kobe and Lebron . .his numbers have been the best against top 5 teams:oldlol:


He is top 3!

[Hulk Hogan]

Wade is the best guard in the NBA right now.

My opinion > a kid in gradeschool who's name is.....Hulk Hogan.....lol:roll:

Exactly, it is your opinion. But why don't you provide facts to back it up?
We base truth on concrete evidence, something substantial and testable not some emotional reaction to a certain player.

We have examined Wade, and he doesn't pass the test SO FAR this season. He can still turn it around. There are alot of games left against the top 5 teams.

But I won't hold my breath.

[Andrei89]

Huulk is mad!

[LA KB24]

Who cares about a few meaningless regular season games? Dwyane also shot something like 62% against the Big Ben Pistons, who held Kobe to 38% shooting and LeBronzy to 36%...

Wade torched Boston last year @ 59% shooting, the same Boston team that held Kobe to 41%....


Hard to say this about a Finals MVP, but damn Wade is underrated.

[B-Easy]

He is top 3!

why isnt he #1 .. hes been better against top 5 teams than Kobe, no?

matter of fact, what are Dirks, Rose, durant, and other elite players numbers against top 5 teams?

[jrong]

LOL wade is shooting like 10%. He sucks so bad he doesn't even show up in 82games. When is the last time Wade has shown up in 82games clutch stats?

Why don't you just accept the fact that Wade this year is not top 3, he is not performing when it counts, against the great teams.

If this was Kobe, you would be all up and in this thread. Talking about how kobe fans doesn't like stats. But since this is your boy, you are trying to run circles around it.

Deal with it, Wade isn't top 3 this season.

If LeBron and Wade weren't on the same team, there would be no debate about who are the top two players.


Chicago are not a great team. and Wade didn't play really well against them either. Sure he shot over 50% but only because he got hot at the end of the game.

Actually, he played fantastic. He had 21 points in the first half, then had to sit out the entire 3rd quarter with foul trouble. Then he scored 12 pts in the 4th quarter. He scored 33 pts in three quarters.

[LA KB24]

and again...wade's overall numbers are better than kobe's......

Kobe is only playing 33 MPG.

[Andrei89]

Who cares about a few meaningless regular season games? Dwyane also shot something like 62% against the Big Ben Pistons, who held Kobe to 38% shooting and LeBronzy to 36%...

Wade torched Boston last year @ 59% shooting, the same Boston team that held Kobe to 41%....


Hard to say this about a Finals MVP, but damn Wade is underrated.

You forgot to mention how he was carrying the whole team on himself and because of that Boston double teamed him like crazy

no answer though

Dwyane Wade in the playoffs is a fuking beast

[Micku]

Wade hasn't shown up on 82games and hasn't shown up for many years. That means he is not clutch WHATSOEVER! But I like how you try to change the topic. This is the same thing you do. Try to cherry pick. Too bad this time it won't work.

Now you are hating. Of course he is clutch. He has made clutch plays, clutch shots, and clutch D throughout the course of his career. And he has shown up in the 82games clutch stats or whatever, but not this year apparently. But seriously, would you say Hinrich (who is in there) is more clutch than Wade?

I think more coaches and players would rather trust Wade make the final decision of play making/shooting the ball than Hinrich.


Wade sucks against great games. Stats prove it. You can't argue with them. Not only that. He has missed the most game typing and winning shots this season.

Dallas:
In the Dallas game, everybody played terrible, not just Wade. You can give the credit to Dallas D and Heat's horrible offense. Especially the first time. At that time, they were not running a lot of plays, were not running, and sucking with the isos. The Heat got better right after that.

The second game, they played better overall even though the stats did not show it. Both Wade and LeBron had a crappy stat game, but it was a grind game. You can tell the improvement of the team.


Celtics:

The first game was sort'a excusable for Wade, but you can argue that if he out on the floor, he should bring his A game regardless. The Celts own that game.

The second game was similar. The Celts own that game, and Wade still sucked. You can make excuses like LeBron was the main ball handler and Wade may not been used to that just yet, so he couldn't get going, Wade was injured, or Wade wasn't on. The fact is that Celts bother the Heat. Wade can't stick Ray Allen, he gets tired, and he can't perform on the O. LBJ can have his, but Celts would win it all.

Magic:

I didn't watch the games with the Magic. Or I don't recall them.

Lakers

Wade actually played much better than what the stats showed. He played pretty decent D on Kobe. Probably the best defense he ever played on Kobe. And he was destroying the team defense of the Lakers and creating the shots for his teammates. He actually just missed a few lay ups, which is why his FG% is so low. LBJ was unstoppable that game.

Wade is the guy who has to adjust his off the ball game when LeBron came. Usually Wade is the ball handler, now LeBron is. Wade has to play more off the ball. The team usually give it to him to make plays, and attack. But now LBJ has that role.

But it's not like Wade sucks at big games in his career. And it's not like he totally sucks at them now, but he hasn't been up to par. He hasn't been great. But it's half way in the season. There are still some great teams that the Heat will play. We'll see what happens, and we'll see what happens in the playoffs.

But I have one question for you, are the Bulls not in your top 5 team in the league dude? The Bulls are awesome this year. Top 3 in defense, top 2/3 in the East, and have a top 5 win record.

[ginobli2311]

Kobe is only playing 33 MPG.

so what?

wade is only playing 3.7 more minutes.

and wade is playing more minutes because he can. he's younger. i don't get this excuse or point at all.

the facts are the facts. wade playing more minutes is a positive thing for him and a negative for kobe. because kobe can only play 33 minutes its a negative.....sorry.

[Dolphin]

Exactly, it is your opinion. But why don't you provide facts to back it up?
We base truth on concrete evidence, something substantial and testable not some emotional reaction to a certain player.

We have examined Wade, and he doesn't pass the test SO FAR this season. He can still turn it around. There are alot of games left against the top 5 teams.

But I won't hold my breath.

I have concrete evidence. I use my two eyes. I watch NBA games on tv. There is my evidence. :cheers:

There is not a better sg in the league. Your stats aren't gonna prove otherwise.

[Hulk Hogan]

why isnt he #1 .. hes been better against top 5 teams than Kobe, no?

matter of fact, what are Dirks, Rose, durant, and other elite players numbers against top 5 teams?

Because its only one of the determining factor, yes a huge one. But not all of it.
Also Durant has been piss poor against top 5 teams. Rose is in the same range with Kobe and Lebron

[Hulk Hogan]

I have concrete evidence. I use my two eyes. I watch NBA games on tv. There is my evidence. :cheers:

There is not a better sg in the league. Your stats aren't gonna prove otherwise.

What color is the sky?

[ginobli2311]

Because its only one of the determining factor, yes a huge one. But not all of it.
Also Durant has been piss poor against top 5 teams. Rose is in the same range with Kobe and Lebron

is defense a factor?

because wade has routinely been in the top 5 of dpoy watches on espn. kobe wouldn't even be in the top defensive guard list at all this year.

kobe's defense has been really bad actually. do you count half of the game in your criteria?

[Dolphin]

What color is the sky?

Dwyane Wade is the best sg in the NBA. You can't prove otherwise.

[Ne 1]

exactly.

which is why kobe remains the most overhyped clutch player ever. just look at the playoffs....he's shooting around 20% on game winners in the playoffs for his career.

LOL


Kobe clutch playoff plays 2000: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWXvi8waXyA

Kobe clutch playoff plays 2001/2002: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8nEqiEZQ30

Kobe clutch playoff plays 2002: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZOXZea1iGk

Kobe clutch playoff plays 2003-2007: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDpPrdF6ANs

Kobe clutch playoff playoff plays 2008: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4p0vfX6j1Pw

Kobe clutch playoff plays 2009: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlusnThciI4

Kobe clutch playoff plays 2010: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xqLrgyVIAE

http://i28.tinypic.com/6h0p78.jpg


:oldlol: fukk outta here with that bull sh*t

[Hulk Hogan]

is defense a factor?

because wade has routinely been in the top 5 of dpoy watches on espn. kobe wouldn't even be in the top defensive guard list at all this year.

kobe's defense has been really bad actually. do you count half of the game in your criteria?

Defense is a factor, but you overate it. Kobe's defense has fallen short cause he just came out of surgery and doesn't want to put too much pressure on the knee. He is picking his spots on the floor.

You overrate defense because that's all you have against Kobe. Even if Kobe ends up averaging 30 points on 50%, you would still say, "its because of his defense I have wade over him":facepalm

If Nash won the MVP without playing defense, anyone can.
What matters more is what you do against the great teams, games that REALLY matter. Not against bad teams.

You can beat up bad teams all you want, but that doesn't make a difference come playoff time. Wade had a better year against top 5 teams last year than he is this year.

Lets face it, he isn't playing top 3 ball right now.
He can still step up in the next games vs Magic, Boston.
But right now, he isn't fit to be called a top 3 player. Not with the way he is playing against legit contenders.

[ginobli2311]

Kobe clutch playoff plays 2000: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWXvi8waXyA

Kobe clutch playoff plays 2001/2002: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8nEqiEZQ30

Kobe clutch playoff plays 2002: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZOXZea1iGk

Kobe clutch playoff plays 2003-2007: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDpPrdF6ANs

Kobe clutch playoff playoff plays 2008: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4p0vfX6j1Pw

Kobe clutch playoff plays 2009: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlusnThciI4

Kobe clutch playoff plays 2010: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xqLrgyVIAE

http://i28.tinypic.com/6h0p78.jpg


:oldlol: fukk outta here with that bull sh*t


LOL...got to look at the makes and misses mate. and he misses far more often ....around 80% of the time he misses.
:cheers:

[ginobli2311]

Defense is a factor, but you overate it. Kobe's defense has fallen short cause he just came out of surgery and doesn't want to put too much pressure on the knee. He is picking his spots on the floor.

You overrate defense because that's all you have against Kobe. Even if Kobe ends up averaging 30 points on 50%, you would still say, "its because of his defense I have wade over him":facepalm

If Nash won the MVP without playing defense, anyone can.
What matters more is what you do against the great teams, games that REALLY matter. Not against bad teams.

You can beat up bad teams all you want, but that doesn't make a difference come playoff time. Wade had a better year against top 5 teams last year than he is this year.

Lets face it, he isn't playing top 3 ball right now.
He can still step up in the next games vs Magic, Boston.


this is just not true.

and i'm not hating on kobe. he's been really good so far this year. just not as good as kobe. and wade's defense is superior......i don't care what the reasons are. why does that matter?

so you admit that wade has been superior defensively.

so again. how is kobe better?

worse numbers, worse defense, and his team has a worse record even while playing an easier schedule. so maybe if kobe was as good as wade has been against the bad teams the lakers would have a better record. and the funny thing is that the lakers haven't beaten many good teams at all.

its the regular season....every game counts the same mate.

[Hulk Hogan]

this is just not true.

and i'm not hating on kobe. he's been really good so far this year. just not as good as kobe. and wade's defense is superior......i don't care what the reasons are. why does that matter?

so you admit that wade has been superior defensively.

so again. how is kobe better?

worse numbers, worse defense, and his team has a worse record even while playing an easier schedule. so maybe if kobe was as good as wade has been against the bad teams the lakers would have a better record. and the funny thing is that the lakers haven't beaten many good teams at all.

its the regular season....every game counts the same mate.

You prove my facts yet again. The only reason Miami even have a good record is because Lebron has been bailing out wade in pivotal games where Wade always stinks it!

Don't use the record where Heat is one game ahead to show that Wade has been better, its all the work of Lebron. As the stats reveal. He steps up for the big games while Wade gets shut down repeatedly.


Kobe's numbers 26/5/5 47% 1.3 stls 0.3 blks
Wade's numbers 26/7/4 50% 1.4 stls 1.0 blks

The only thing Wade has on kobe is a 3% efficiency. Why? Because Wade beats up bad teams, but fails to hold his ground on great teams because the refs tend not to bail him out on pivotal games. When Wade shoots 6 freethrows or less vs top 5 teams, he has a bad shooting game.

Kobe numbers vs Top 5 teams BLOWS wade out of the water and that's why Kobe is top 2 and Wade is top 4.

[Hulk Hogan]

Dwyane Wade is the best sg in the NBA. You can't prove otherwise.

I already did.... 18points, 36% vs great teams. :oldlol:

[Soundwave]

Wade scored at will versus the Celtics in the playoffs last year, so I take this stat with a pretty huge grain of salt. His numbers will rise in these situations as the year goes on.

Even though he didn't shoot great vs. the Lakers on Christmas Day, he penetrated deeper on their defense than Peter North on Jenna Jameson, basically breaking open the game to boot.

[DuMa]

ill give you the celtics. celtics had him pinned down and he was pretty shitty. no way to excuse that but stats dont reflect everything hes done against the other teams.

and i consider chicago to be a stronger team than dallas at this point. wade played his usual great game against them.
still the #1 SG in the NBA. has been for awhile.

[ginobli2311]

You prove my facts yet again. The only reason Miami even have a good record is because Lebron has been bailing out wade in pivotal games where Wade always stinks it!

Don't use the record where Heat is one game ahead to show that Wade has been better, its all the work of Lebron. As the stats reveal. He steps up for the big games while Wade gets shut down repeatedly.


Kobe's numbers 26/5/5 47% 1.3 stls 0.3 blks
Wade's numbers 26/7/4 50% 1.4 stls 1.0 blks

The only thing Wade has on kobe is a 3% efficiency. Why? Because Wade beats up bad teams, but fails to hold his ground on great teams because the refs tend not to bail him out on pivotal games. When Wade shoots 6 freethrows or less vs top 5 teams, he has a bad shooting game.

Kobe numbers vs Top 5 teams BLOWS wade out of the water and that's why Kobe is top 2 and Wade is top 4.


what you say is a factor. but it doesn't trump wade's superior efficiency, superior team record against much tougher schedule, and wade's superior defense.

and again. are th lakers winning any of these games against good teams?

[Walduś]

Wade scored at will versus the Celtics in the playoffs last year, so I take this stat with a pretty huge grain of salt. His numbers will rise in these situations as the year goes on.
.
empty stats. there was like 3 blow outs in that series and the celtics weren't even that good defensively in 1st round anyways. :oldlol:

[Dolphin]

I already did.... 18points, 36% vs great teams. :oldlol:

What sg is better than him? There's only in the conversation. Kobe. The same Kobe who has led his team to as many disappointing losses as the Heat, even though they have a more complete team and have been together for a few years.

But you keep looking at your stats. lol

[LA KB24]

still the #1 SG in the NBA. has been for awhile. Lol how long is a while? Cause Kobe has been the best until 2008.

[LEFT4DEAD]

You would not like if I posted Bryant' last year stats against top teams. But it's fine with me. He was top 3 for sure last year. This year he is borderline top 7.

Now, your theory is just stupid. Wade has been ballin' in most of games where Miami has got win. Whenever Wade played bad, Miami lost. What is it saying?

Two things:
Wade is main weapon of this Heat team and is MVP in Miami.

Wade will be x-factor in playoffs when it comes to semis or finals.

You should not post shit like that when you are a Kobe fan. He is known for his underperforming in playoffs when it matters (hint: celtics 2x, pistons....).
So STFU.

[YouCallILose]

Kevin Durant vs the top 5 teams

27.8 ppg 50 FG% :applause:

[Andrei89]

Kevin Durant vs the top 5 teams

27.8 ppg 50 FG% :applause:

What did Wade average again this year vs Oklahoma?

What does Durant average and most importantly what is his fg% vs the Heat when Lebron guards him only 2.5 quarters?

Ginobili tell him

[YouCallILose]

What did Wade average again this year vs Oklahoma?

What does Durant average and most importantly what is his fg% vs the Heat when Lebron guards him only 2.5 quarters?

Ginobili tell him

Durant numbers vs LeBron during his career are higher than his career averages so...ya...

[All Net]

Kevin Durant vs the top 5 teams

27.8 ppg 50 FG% :applause:
Last two games against great teams lakers and heat he shot like shit

[Andrei89]

Durant numbers vs LeBron during his career are higher than his career averages so...ya...


per40? ts%?

Lebron at 22 > Durant at 22

[YouCallILose]

per40? ts%?

Lebron at 22 > Durant at 22


Durant by the end of the season will be at 30/7.5/3 on 60 TS%

LeBron put up 27/6.7/6 on 55 TS% at 22 and didn't even finish top 4 in the MVP
:lol

Durant put up 30/8/3 on 61 TS% and finished 2nd at 21

[Andrei89]

Durant by the end of the season will be at 30/7.5/3 on 60 TS%

LeBron put up 27/6.7/6 on 55 TS% at 22 and didn't even finish top 4 in the MVP
:lol

Durant put up 30/8/3 on 61 TS% and finished 2nd at 21

TS%:lol :lol :lol :lol

Pardon me son, but wazn't Lebron in ze Finals with a sheet team at 22?

YouCallYouLose son

[YouCallILose]

TS%:lol :lol :lol :lol

Pardon me son, but wazn't Lebron in ze Finals with a sheet team at 22?

YouCallYouLose son

The only people that make fun of TS% are those that do not possess the acumen to understand it

As for LeBron..yaa..he beat 2 sub .500 teams and an over the hill Pistons team without Ben Wallace that won 53 games in the regular season. That team and LeBron got embarrassed when they went up against a real team. 1st round exit in the West that year. What did LeBron average vs the Spurs? 22 ppg on 24 FGA? LOL @ more FG than ppg

[madmax]

The only people that make fun of TS% are those that do not possess the acumen to understand it

As for LeBron..yaa..he beat 2 sub .500 teams and an over the hill Pistons team without Ben Wallace that won 53 games in the regular season. That team and LeBron got embarrassed when they went up against a real team. 1st round exit in the West that year. What did LeBron average vs the Spurs? 22 ppg on 24 FGA? LOL @ more FG than ppg

yada yada - there is always an excuse for you to discount Lebron's achievements, ain't it? So he dragged his sheet squad of scrubs into NBA finals with Booby as his best teammate (I can't even spell that guys name without laughing loudly), yet he still deserves no credit?:facepalm
Deal with it motha****a - Lebron >>> Your skinny ass beloved chucker:cheers:

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

http://hostingbytes.us/images/2/5425567.jpg

[8BeastlyXIOAD]

http://hostingbytes.us/images/2/5425567.jpg

[YouCallILose]

yada yada - there is always an excuse for you to discount Lebron's achievements, ain't it? So he dragged his sheet squad of scrubs into NBA finals with Booby as his best teammate (I can't even spell that guys name without laughing loudly), yet he still deserves no credit?:facepalm
Deal with it motha****a - Lebron >>> Your skinny ass beloved chucker:cheers:


i like how durant is supposedly a chucker yet he is a MUCH more efficient scorer than LeBron or any other top scorer since Jordan.

You're a joke

[G-Funk]

You would not like if I posted Bryant' last year stats against top teams. But it's fine with me. He was top 3 for sure last year. This year he is borderline top 7.

Now, your theory is just stupid. Wade has been ballin' in most of games where Miami has got win. Whenever Wade played bad, Miami lost. What is it saying?

Two things:
Wade is main weapon of this Heat team and is MVP in Miami.

Wade will be x-factor in playoffs when it comes to semis or finals.

You should not post shit like that when you are a Kobe fan. He is known for his underperforming in playoffs when it matters (hint: celtics 2x, pistons....).
So STFU.


u mad homie :roll:

[comerb]

Its not agenda driven, its putting out the truth.
If I remember stats don't lie. Wade has been terrible against great teams. He is not a top 3 player. His percentage is deceiving because it works against weak teams, but great teams close out the lanes and force him to shoot the jumper.

He can destroy weak teams going something like 12/17 all on drives, layups and dunks, shooting over 60%. This boosts his percentage creating an illusion. He is the best penetrator in the game.
Yes I agree, but when it comes to great teams. That just doesn't work. He gets shutdown really easily!


That must why he has had such terrible games against good defensive teams like Boston in the playoffs. Oh wait....

[comerb]

empty stats. there was like 3 blow outs in that series and the celtics weren't even that good defensively in 1st round anyways. :oldlol:

And Wade wasn't even trying because his team sucked ass.

[jrong]

That must why he has had such terrible games against good defensive teams like Boston in the playoffs. Oh wait....

They cherry-pick stats that prop up their idol. If we were invested enough, we could post a dozen or so different stats-- including basically every advanced stat there is-- where Wade obliterates Kobe. But, they've now decided that performance against top teams three months into the season --this season only-- is the ultimate arbiter of player rank. And this will remain the final determinant... until a moment Kobe starts to look bad in this category. Then it won't matter anymore....

[Jacks3]

lol advanced stats.

So, Durant>Wade in 09-10.

No.

Wade fans--the scum of the earth.

[jrong]

lol advanced stats.

So, Durant>Wade in 09-10.

No.

Wade fans--the scum of the earth.

Kobe fans-- paranoid obsessives who respond to every comment made by a fan of a rival player.

Or maybe that's just you to me. If you haven't noticed, I never initiate discussions with you. I don't like talking to you. Intellectually, conversations with you have nothing to offer me.

Yet like clockwork, any time I post in a Wade-thread, you're right there to argue, no matter how minute the point being discussed. I don't know if you didn't have any friends in school, or what the issue is, but stop stalking me. Welcome to my ignore-list. And you're only the second person in four years I put on it. Congratulations on that distinction....

[Hulk Hogan]

And Wade wasn't even trying because his team sucked ass.

Excuse after Excuse... What's New?

[Hulk Hogan]

They cherry-pick stats that prop up their idol. If we were invested enough, we could post a dozen or so different stats-- including basically every advanced stat there is-- where Wade obliterates Kobe. But, they've now decided that performance against top teams three months into the season --this season only-- is the ultimate arbiter of player rank. And this will remain the final determinant... until a moment Kobe starts to look bad in this category. Then it won't matter anymore....

Wade obliterates Kobe in no stats but your dreams.
Wade can't even smell kobe. There is no stat in the world where Wade outperforms kobe... only in percentage. Which ofcourse is credited to the refs and partially to him being one of the best penetrators.

Anyways, this is not about their careers. Its about this season. I love how wade's fans gets defensive and tries to go back in history.:oldlol:

This has nothing to do with history. If you are going to give someone an MVP award like wade's fans are proping up Wade to be a prime candidate. You don't give it for past season performances. So why are wade fans trying to rehearse and revise history?:lol

The fact still stands that Wade this season is piss poor against the top 5 teams. Tonight we find out if it continues.

[G-Funk]

And Wade wasn't even trying because his team sucked ass.
This has to be the weakest excuse I ever read.

[Hulk Hogan]

This has to be the weakest excuse I ever read.

Since they can't find something substantial and concrete to help their man.
These fanboys reach out to grab onto anything they can find.

[The Iron Fist]

Playoffs tell a better story. Why all the hate? If he can't score against elite teams then it is what it is. They'll lose. Wade is a winner and I am sure he'll score come April no matter who the Heat play.


They sure do.

Without Shaq,

Wade has no success.

Without Shaq,

he even missed the playoffs.

[Jacks3]

Kobe fans-- paranoid obsessives who respond to every comment made by a fan of a rival player.

..
Don't get mad because I called you out on your bullshit logic.

Stop crying.

[Jacks3]

Since they can't find something substantial and concrete to help their man.
These fanboys reach out to grab onto anything they can find.
:oldlol: :applause:

[LEFT4DEAD]

u mad homie :roll:
:wtf: no, I am not.
it takes you being mental retarded to be mad over this peace of shit. This is, instead, one of the stupidest theories I have read.

[Andrei89]

lol advanced stats.

So, Durant>Wade in 09-10.

No.

Wade fans--the scum of the earth.


Wade> Kobe:lol :lol

stupid basement kid

[Jacks3]

Wade> Kobe:lol :lol


I know. It's funny.

[Andrei89]

I know. It's funny.


u mad brah?

Wade = best guard in the NBA...and by playoffs he will up his level with 30% on defense and offense

stupid basement kid

[LEFT4DEAD]

I know. It's funny.
What is so funny. Tell me. :confusedshrug:

[Jacks3]

Wade = best guard in the NBA...and by playoffs he will up his level with 30% on defense and offense


You keep telling yourself that.

[Andrei89]

You keep telling yourself that.


jack mad now cuz Wade pwnz Kobe..

Kobe gets ownd by Pistons with Shaq

Wade ownz the Pistons 2 years later with an old Shaqatus


Owned

[RazorBaLade]

jack mad now cuz Wade pwnz Kobe..

Kobe gets ownd by Pistons with Shaq

Wade ownz the Pistons 2 years later with an old Shaqatus


Owned

if those 2 years of play had such a negative effect on shaq from 04 to 06 then why dont you consider the pistons declining as well?

[Career .557 TS%]

Wade> Kobe:lol :lol

:rolleyes:

[LEFT4DEAD]

if those 2 years of play had such a negative effect on shaq from 04 to 06 then why dont you consider the pistons declining as well?
Defense don't depend that much on age average of a team. Instead, IMO, defense is better as much as a team is more experienced. For ex that Pistons team, Celtics, Spurs etc.

Wade is tougher to defened that Kobe. His quickness is his main strength. In case of Kobe its a bit easier. Don't let him to penetrate and let his poor shot selection come to the surface.

[dannysc305]

1st of all. All of this is bullshit. How you put that top 5 team stat up and Wade didnt even play the best team on your whole list the Spurs yet? Thats 4 teams idiot! Funny how you left Spurs on the list when you clearly knew they didnt play yet when there are 2 other candidates left in the NBA as top 5 and that would have worked perfectly fine with CHI and OKC, but you didnt want to put them in cuz it would hurt your argument. And vs Boston the first game of the season Wade was CLEARLY injured. 2nd game no excuse... Minor injury.

Wade vs. CHI: 33 pts

Wade vs. OKC: 32 pts

Dont say you werent watching on sunday. Cuz you were. Itching and scratching to pick up something to hate him for. But all he did was carve up OKC's defense with beautiful drives and penetration.

It's crazy Wade is STILL even in Top 3 player in the league discussions with the most ball dominating ballhogging player in the League playing beside him. NOBODY ELSE in the whole league would get theirs with LeBron playing beside them like Wade is. If Kobe played with LBJ I couldnt see him scoring the 25 ppg Wade's averging right now.

[PurpleChuck]

Joke thread full of bs. Wade not top 3? GTFO please.:lol

Wade is the no.1 SG in the league currently, deal with it.:pimp:

[dannysc305]

Dwyane Wade playoff CAREER HIGH came just last year vs. the team that went on to the Finals and is considered best D in the league: 46 PTS

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=dwyane+wade+vs.+celtics+playo ffs+game+5&aq=f

[PurpleChuck]

Some blind haters lurking around here. Wade not top 3 is just joke.:facepalm

[Andrei89]

if those 2 years of play had such a negative effect on shaq from 04 to 06 then why dont you consider the pistons declining as well?


Because u mad, that's why

[dannysc305]

1st of all. All of this is bullshit. How you put that top 5 team stat up and Wade didnt even play the best team on your whole list the Spurs yet? Thats 4 teams idiot! Funny how you left Spurs on the list when you clearly knew they didnt play yet when there are 2 other candidates left in the NBA as top 5 and that would have worked perfectly fine with CHI and OKC, but you didnt want to put them in cuz it would hurt your argument. And vs Boston the first game of the season Wade was CLEARLY injured. 2nd game no excuse... Minor injury.

Wade vs. CHI: 33 pts

Wade vs. OKC: 32 pts

Dont say you werent watching on sunday. Cuz you were. Itching and scratching to pick up something to hate him for. But all he did was carve up OKC's defense with beautiful drives and penetration.

It's crazy Wade is STILL even in Top 3 player in the league discussions with the most ball dominating ballhogging player in the League playing beside him. NOBODY ELSE in the whole league would get theirs with LeBron playing beside them like Wade is. If Kobe played with LBJ I couldnt see him scoring the 25 ppg Wade's averging right now.

[lukekarts]

1st of all. All of this is bullshit. How you put that top 5 team stat up and Wade didnt even play the best team on your whole list the Spurs yet? Thats 4 teams idiot! Funny how you left Spurs on the list when you clearly knew they didnt play yet when there are 2 other candidates left in the NBA as top 5 and that would have worked perfectly fine with CHI and OKC, but you didnt want to put them in cuz it would hurt your argument. And vs Boston the first game of the season Wade was CLEARLY injured. 2nd game no excuse... Minor injury.

Wade vs. CHI: 33 pts

Wade vs. OKC: 32 pts

Dont say you werent watching on sunday. Cuz you were. Itching and scratching to pick up something to hate him for. But all he did was carve up OKC's defense with beautiful drives and penetration.

It's crazy Wade is STILL even in Top 3 player in the league discussions with the most ball dominating ballhogging player in the League playing beside him. NOBODY ELSE in the whole league would get theirs with LeBron playing beside them like Wade is. If Kobe played with LBJ I couldnt see him scoring the 25 ppg Wade's averging right now.

+1

[FlipBaller31]

Here's the thing, if you want to base it on THIS SEASON then you gotta use stats from ALL the games THIS SEASON. Just because he got some bad games doesn't mean he's not top 3.

[Hulk Hogan]

Here's the thing, if you want to base it on THIS SEASON then you gotta use stats from ALL the games THIS SEASON. Just because he got some bad games doesn't mean he's not top 3.

ALL his bad games come from top 5 teams. These fanboys just don't like that.

[Hulk Hogan]

1st of all. All of this is bullshit. How you put that top 5 team stat up and Wade didnt even play the best team on your whole list the Spurs yet? Thats 4 teams idiot! Funny how you left Spurs on the list when you clearly knew they didnt play yet when there are 2 other candidates left in the NBA as top 5 and that would have worked perfectly fine with CHI and OKC, but you didnt want to put them in cuz it would hurt your argument. And vs Boston the first game of the season Wade was CLEARLY injured. 2nd game no excuse... Minor injury.

Wade vs. CHI: 33 pts

Wade vs. OKC: 32 pts

Dont say you werent watching on sunday. Cuz you were. Itching and scratching to pick up something to hate him for. But all he did was carve up OKC's defense with beautiful drives and penetration.

It's crazy Wade is STILL even in Top 3 player in the league discussions with the most ball dominating ballhogging player in the League playing beside him. NOBODY ELSE in the whole league would get theirs with LeBron playing beside them like Wade is. If Kobe played with LBJ I couldnt see him scoring the 25 ppg Wade's averging right now.

You are a fcuking DUMASS. You want OKC and CHI cause your boy did well against them, not because they are a great team or Top 5. Again You want to rehearse and revise history. But that shit don't work that way. They are not contenders!

OKC? Really? You think they are contenders? GTFO!

OKC and CHI are not great teams. They are not contender. OKC is out of the question. CHI are just pretenders, first round exit.

Just because you don't like the result of the data, doesn't mean you have to change it. They play the magics today, Wade can still up his game or sink it even deeper.

[All Net]

You are a fcuking DUMASS. You want OKC and CHI cause your boy did well against them, not because they are a great team or Top 5. Again You want to rehearse and revise history. But that shit don't work that way. They are not contenders!

OKC? Really? You think they are contenders? GTFO!

OKC and CHI are not great teams. They are not contender. OKC is out of the question. CHI are just pretenders, first round exit.

Just because you don't like the result of the data, doesn't mean you have to change it. They play the magics today, Wade can still up his game or sink it even deeper.

They may not be contenders but they are quailty teams and will win 50-55 games this season. Bulls may get more the way they are going. Same with Thunder who could be 3rd seed in the west this season.

Why are you mentioning the Magic as if there is another game against a top 5 team? both Bulls and Thunder are better than them. So Wade playing huge against Thunder doesn't count but him playing bad against Orlando would?

Seriously what makes Magic and Mavs better teams than Thunder and Bulls?

The best measurement is vs the Lakers/Celtics...lets see how Wade does next sunday. He killed Boston in the playoffs last year and now he is healthy he could have a big game against them too. Lets face it he was hurt in the two other meetings no ways around it and there was an adjustment period for Miami back then too.

[VoltFaceCons]

You are a fcuking DUMASS. You want OKC and CHI cause your boy did well against them, not because they are a great team or Top 5. Again You want to rehearse and revise history. But that shit don't work that way. They are not contenders!

OKC? Really? You think they are contenders? GTFO!

OKC and CHI are not great teams. They are not contender. OKC is out of the question. CHI are just pretenders, first round exit.

Just because you don't like the result of the data, doesn't mean you have to change it. They play the magics today, Wade can still up his game or sink it even deeper.

Who do you see them losing to? Milwaukee?

You obviously have some biased-hate for Wade. I would like to know who you like.

And its pretty ridiculous to judge a player who has been having nagging injury problems all season on games versus elite teams. Especially on a team who is trying to figure out how to beat these teams with their new formula.

He is definitely not a choker against good teams, he is a Finals MVP.

[ginobli2311]

You are a fcuking DUMASS. You want OKC and CHI cause your boy did well against them, not because they are a great team or Top 5. Again You want to rehearse and revise history. But that shit don't work that way. They are not contenders!

OKC? Really? You think they are contenders? GTFO!

OKC and CHI are not great teams. They are not contender. OKC is out of the question. CHI are just pretenders, first round exit.

Just because you don't like the result of the data, doesn't mean you have to change it. They play the magics today, Wade can still up his game or sink it even deeper.

Hulk. calm down.

you make good points. nobody is disputing that wade has been really bad against elite teams this year. we acknowledge it and i for one consider it a knock on wade this year.

but there are plenty of positives with wade as well. he's played great against the other teams and the heat have beat up on the average teams....while the lakers for example have lost to a lot of bad teams. so it goes both ways.

you can't just point out one negative and say that is the what prevents him from being a top 3 player this year. you have to look at everything.

i am more than willing to knock wade for his play against elite teams.

are you willing to knock kobe for his subpar defense and the lakers inability to win against bad teams consistently? or how about the lakers record even though they've played the easiest schedule so far?

its about total body of work for every player. you can't just nitpick on one thing and try to condemn a player that has played extremely well all year on both ends.

doesn't work like that.

[Hulk Hogan]

They may not be contenders but they are quailty teams and will win 50-55 games this season. Bulls may get more the way they are going. Same with Thunder who could be 3rd seed in the west this season.

Why are you mentioning the Magic as if there is another game against a top 5 team? both Bulls and Thunder are better than them. So Wade playing huge against Thunder doesn't count but him playing bad against Orlando would?

Seriously what makes Magic and Mavs better teams than Thunder and Bulls?

The best measurement is vs the Lakers/Celtics...lets see how Wade does next sunday. He killed Boston in the playoffs last year and now he is healthy he could have a big game against them too. Lets face it he was hurt in the two other meetings no ways around it and there was an adjustment period for Miami back then too.

What the ****? Magics have been to the conference Finals 3 years straight and been to the finals. They are a proven contender. Records don't mean shit! Boston proved that last year. They are better than what their record state.

You are forgetting the fact that this top 5 team criteria are used for everyone not just Wade. but just because he's the only one who performed so badly, doesn't mean it has to change.

I included Dallas because they were rolling, they had the second best record before Dirk got injured. And also they beat Miami twice and also beat them after they won like 17 straight games or something. Remember the 21 of 22? for Miami Heat? Mavs are the ones who beat them in that streak.

Chicago are not a *great team, they are close but still far apart. They are not even fully equipped. They are injured and Boozer is just coming back. Saying OKC are a great team is like saying New Orleans hornets are a great team. By the way Wade sunk it against the hornets aswell.

GTFO he wasn't hurt against Boston the first time around. and It had nothing to do with their Team...

Wade averaged almost 30 points and 60% shooting versus other weak teams before and after the boston game. There was nothing wrong with him or his offense.

Another day, same old excuse.

[tpols]

Let's see how wade does today..

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

Let's see how wade does today..
30/7/4 somewhere around there IMO

Who is guarding him? J-Rich and Gilbert :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[Hulk Hogan]

30/7/4 somewhere around there IMO

Who is guarding him? J-Rich and Gilbert :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

Its more than individual defense. Its the collective defense that matters.

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

Its more than individual defense. Its the collective defense that matters.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoiNztbezyA

Dwayne Wade 50 on Orlando:confusedshrug:

[Hulk Hogan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoiNztbezyA

Dwayne Wade 50 on Orlando:confusedshrug:


LOL yet again these wade fans can't get it through their skull and will keep pulling out past history to try to revise and rehearse it.

Sorry but that has nothing to do with this season.
Why go back 2 seasons? Come back to reality troll!

[ginobli2311]

the best part about this thread is that the lakers are 1-5 against the best teams with a bunch of blowouts at home.

got to love the double standards.

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

LOL yet again these wade fans can't get it through their skull and will keep pulling out past history to try to revise and rehearse it.

Sorry but that has nothing to do with this season.
Why go back 2 seasons? Come back to reality troll!

Well you were talking bout team defense and I had to pull out the clip of Wade destroying the Magic

[Hulk Hogan]

the best part about this thread is that the lakers are 1-5 against the best teams with a bunch of blowouts at home.

got to love the double standards.

and What are the Heat?

Lost to Boston twice.
Lost to dallas twice.
Lost to Magics once and won once.
and beat LA once.

They are 2-7.

Also considering the fact they would had been blown out by all those games without Lebron stepping up. Yep, gotta love double standards. :hammerhead:

[ginobli2311]

and What are the Heat?

Lost to Boston twice.
Lost to dallas twice.
Lost to Magics once and won once.
and beat LA once.

They are 2-7. :hammerhead:

but i'm not the one calling out a player for losing and then ignoring everything else.

thats my point. i didn't start a thread hammering kobe/lakers for losing to all the good teams.

why? because its retarded.

[All Net]

and What are the Heat?

Lost to Boston twice.
Lost to dallas twice.
Lost to Magics once and won once.
and beat LA once.

They are 2-7.

Yep, gotta love double standards, also considering the fact they would had been blown out all those games without Lebron stepping up. :hammerhead:

Maths doesn't seem to be your strong suit.

Sadly for Miami they had to face Celtics twice and Mavs early on in the season and a team that has just come together vs teams who have been together for years is hardly great. You will lose to great teams thats a given but they should also be given credit as well

They went on the road and have beat Lakers and Thunder which is hard to do. At the time they had a good road win over Utah too. Obviously they are slumping right now.

How they do against Boston (two more games) and Magic (two more games) and of course L.A again will show how well they played vs top teams. Lets not forget Spurs twice in march/april

Judge them against winning teams come end of the season more than just now.

If they get wins @ Orlando tonight and @ Boston next sunday suddenly their record looks alot more respectable.

[tpols]

the best part about this thread is that the lakers are 1-5 against the best teams with a bunch of blowouts at home.

got to love the double standards.
And what are the heat? They've sucked against top level competition.

Everyone was predicting 65-70 wins for this team at the season's start and they're barely over .500 against good teams in the league. And wade coming up short in those games is a huge factor for why they lost as his production is highly relied upon.

Kobe, on the other hand, has had much better production against these top teams. Sure he has had some bad games, but a lot can be contributed to pau playing very soft during those games. Some days you give pau the ball on the low post and he gets bodied EASILY by the other defender and he hurls up a shitty brick. Recently his midrange shot has not been falling. This combined with mediocre rim/paint protection hurts the lakers in a big way because gasol is heavily relied on for offense. It can't all be kobe even if kobe is hitting 50+% of his shots. Thats why he's often blamed but it was his teammates who were failing to play up to par in the first place, and he's left with the job of trying to bail them out.

[Hulk Hogan]

but i'm not the one calling out a player for losing and then ignoring everything else.

thats my point. i didn't start a thread hammering kobe/lakers for losing to all the good teams.

why? because its retarded.

I'm not calling out a player or team for losing.
I'm posting the stats and the supposedly top 3 players of the League agianst top 5 teams and Wade who shouldn't be in the discussion came out horrible.

You get happy when People post stats about Kobe and you pounce on kobe fans for trying to get around it. But then get mad when its about your homeboy? You see the double standards?

You are the one butt-hurt and yet again trying to change the topic. The topic isn't about team records, or wins/losses. Both teams have had their share of wins/losses agains the top 5 teams.

Its about wade stinking it up when it matters most in the reg season this season against the top 5 teams.

Just because you are butt hurt about it, doesn't negate the facts!

[r15mohd]

Defense is a factor, but you overate it. Kobe's defense has fallen short cause he just came out of surgery and doesn't want to put too much pressure on the knee. He is picking his spots on the floor.

You overrate defense because that's all you have against Kobe. Even if Kobe ends up averaging 30 points on 50%, you would still say, "its because of his defense I have wade over him":facepalm

If Nash won the MVP without playing defense, anyone can.
What matters more is what you do against the great teams, games that REALLY matter. Not against bad teams.

You can beat up bad teams all you want, but that doesn't make a difference come playoff time. Wade had a better year against top 5 teams last year than he is this year.

Lets face it, he isn't playing top 3 ball right now.
He can still step up in the next games vs Magic, Boston.
But right now, he isn't fit to be called a top 3 player. Not with the way he is playing against legit contenders.


and the Lakers has yet to win against any of the top teams this season...if KB and the Lakers can make up these wins after the break, then you'll have a case.

right now...

Rose
Wade
Lebron
Dwight
Kobe

[Hulk Hogan]

Maths doesn't seem to be your strong suit.
Fair assessment doesn't seem to be your strong suit.



Sadly for Miami they had to face Celtics twice and Mavs early on in the season and a team that has just come together vs teams who have been together for years is hardly great. You will lose to great teams thats a given but they should also be given credit as well

They went on the road and have beat Lakers and Thunder which is hard to do. At the time they had a good road win over Utah too. Obviously they are slumping right now.


GTFO. Yet another lame fcuking excuse. How pathetic.

Mavs beat Miami before they started their 12 game winning streak with cleveland. They also beat them to end their 12 game winning streak 5 days before the showdown with the Lakers.

Mon, Dec 20
vs Dallas

Thu, Dec 23
@ Phoenix

Sat, Dec 25
@ Los Angeles


So you give them credit for beating the Lakers but don't give the Mavs credit for beating them?

GET YOUR SORRY ASS OUT OF MY THREAD YOU BUFFOON!!!

Plus the fact that Milwakee blew out LA on their home court a game before and Spur beating them a game after. But ohh no, Miami gets credit when they win but also receive abundant excuses when they lose.

So miami is in a slump but the Lakers weren't around christmas? and you even dare to claim to be a Lakers fan?

Unfcuking believeable! :facepalm

[All Net]

Fair assessment doesn't seem to be your strong suit.

their record was 2-5 not 2-7...go back to school kid




GTFO. Yet another lame fcuking excuse. How pathetic.

Mavs beat Miami before they started their 12 game winning streak with cleveland. They also beat them to end their 12 game winning streak 5 days before the showdown with the Lakers.

Mon, Dec 20
vs Dallas

Thu, Dec 23
@ Phoenix

Sat, Dec 25
@ Los Angeles


So you give them credit for beating the Lakers but don't give the Mavs credit for beating them?

GET YOUR SORRY ASS OUT OF MY THREAD YOU BUFFOON!!!

Plus the fact that Milwakee blew out LA on their home court a game before and Spur beating them a game after. But ohh no, Miami gets credit when they win but also receive abundant excuses when they lose.

So miami is in a slump but the Lakers weren't around christmas? and you even dare to claim to be a Lakers fan?

Unfcuking believeable! :facepalm


I've already said elite teams will lose to elite teams it happens....Miami do have a poor record against qualty teams but so do we. It happens and the games they did play Boston there was a big adjustment period there's no ways around that...it is true. They still got beat. Lakers need to improve on their record vs top teams and so did Miami but that isn't always a great measuring stick to how great a team is...we sucked against elite teams last year but still won the title. It helps for bragging rights but doesn't mean a huge amount. Winning games period helps and thats all that matters come playoff time..PLAYOFF SEEDING.

I never said Miami was in a slump, if you could read I was talking about UTAH...not only is maths a problem for you but clearly reading simple english is too.

You have gotten embarrassed by people all through this thread, you should quit while you are behind.

[VoltFaceCons]

Just because you are butt hurt about it, doesn't negate the facts!

Would you like to respond to my post?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5437082&postcount=130

[ginobli2311]

And what are the heat? They've sucked against top level competition.

Everyone was predicting 65-70 wins for this team at the season's start and they're barely over .500 against good teams in the league. And wade coming up short in those games is a huge factor for why they lost as his production is highly relied upon.

Kobe, on the other hand, has had much better production against these top teams. Sure he has had some bad games, but a lot can be contributed to pau playing very soft during those games. Some days you give pau the ball on the low post and he gets bodied EASILY by the other defender and he hurls up a shitty brick. Recently his midrange shot has not been falling. This combined with mediocre rim/paint protection hurts the lakers in a big way because gasol is heavily relied on for offense. It can't all be kobe even if kobe is hitting 50+% of his shots. Thats why he's often blamed but it was his teammates who were failing to play up to par in the first place, and he's left with the job of trying to bail them out.

but who is saying otherwise? i'm not saying wade has been great against good teams. he hasn't. i'm not saying the heat have been good. they haven't. i'm not making excuses for wade. its a knock on him so far this year. i totally agree. i just don't think its enough to condemn him as a top player this year like you and hulk do apparently.

you have to take everything into account. wade has been better against the bad teams. does those not count as wins? since when does play against only good teams matter in the regular season?

but lets get down to it. you and hulk are saying that kobe is better than wade this year and are using a very limited criteria for it.

logic thrown out the window. lets focus on only one thing and not the entire body of work. again...makes no sense.

[Hulk Hogan]

their record was 2-5 not 2-7...go back to school kid


STFU before I burn your hard-drive son! Errors are made all the time in the heat of a debate. Especially when you are multitasking doing 5 things at the same time. This is the same with spelling and grammatical errors on internet forums.



I've already said elite teams will lose to elite teams it happens....Miami do have a poor record against qualty teams but so do we. It happens and the games they did play Boston there was a big adjustment period there's no ways around that...it is true. They still got beat. Lakers need to improve on their record vs top teams and so did Miami but that isn't always a great measuring stick to how great a team is...we sucked against elite teams last year but still won the title. It helps for bragging rights but doesn't mean a huge amount. Winning games period helps and thats all that matters come playoff time..PLAYOFF SEEDING.

I never said Miami was in a slump, if you could read I was talking about UTAH...not only is maths a problem for you but clearly reading simple english is too.

You have gotten embarrassed by people all through this thread, you should quit while you are behind.

Worst so-called LA fan I have ever encountered.
I wonder why a so called LA fan is butt-hurt because Wade plays his worst game vs top 5 teams. I love how you managed to shift the topic. The topic was not about Miami or Lakers, Wins/Losses, It was about Wade having his worst game vs the top 5 teams.


I have gotten em-brassed? Wade and Lebron's *** is so far up your throat that you can't perceive the difference between your left or your right hand. This has nothing to do with their teams. My premise was to point out wade's performance versus the top teams, but since his dikk is stuck in your mouth, your only ultimatum was to detour the topic.





They went on the road and have beat Lakers and Thunder which is hard to do. At the time they had a good road win over Utah too. Obviously they are slumping right now.

And by the way, I didn't actually read your posts I skimmed parts of it. Jumped all over and through it cause I knew it was the same sorry as excuse! I have better things to do than waste my precious time with people who bring up the same old ass excuse.

[tpols]

but who is saying otherwise? i'm not saying wade has been great against good teams. he hasn't. i'm not saying the heat have been good. they haven't. i'm not making excuses for wade. its a knock on him so far this year. i totally agree. i just don't think its enough to condemn him as a top player this year like you and hulk do apparently.

you have to take everything into account. wade has been better against the bad teams. does those not count as wins? since when does play against only good teams matter in the regular season?

but lets get down to it. you and hulk are saying that kobe is better than wade this year and are using a very limited criteria for it.

logic thrown out the window. lets focus on only one thing and not the entire body of work. again...makes no sense.
I haven't said kobe has played better than wade this season..

[dannysc305]

You are a fcuking DUMASS. You want OKC and CHI cause your boy did well against them, not because they are a great team or Top 5. Again You want to rehearse and revise history. But that shit don't work that way. They are not contenders!

OKC? Really? You think they are contenders? GTFO!

OKC and CHI are not great teams. They are not contender. OKC is out of the question. CHI are just pretenders, first round exit.

Just because you don't like the result of the data, doesn't mean you have to change it. They play the magics today, Wade can still up his game or sink it even deeper.

SO WHATS YOUR EXCUSE FOR KEEPING THE SPURS ON THE LIST AND HE DIDNT PLAY THEM YET!

YOU GOT ONE SLOT LEFT TO MAKE "TOP 5" TILL WE PLAY THE SPURS. SINCE YOU THINK OKC AND CHI WONT WORK THEN WHO WILL? THE JAZZ? THE HORNETS? GTFO!!!

[PianoMan]

Smh. We all know Wade is the best Sg right now in the nba. Who cares what hes avereging in the regular season against top teams in the nba. Im sure when the playoffs come he will be a beast, but then again hulk hogan we know you'll say its the refs fault.

[Hulk Hogan]

Wade - 7 points - 2/7 (28%)

Yet again Wade is a No show against another top 5 team.
While Lebron is doing great as always against another top 5 team.

[r15mohd]

Wade - 7 points - 2/7 (28%)

Yet again Wade is a No show against another top 5 team.
While Lebron is doing great as always against another top 5 team.

give it a rest! you hate Wade, we get it... :rolleyes:

[Dave3]

Wade - 7 points - 2/7 (28%)

Yet again Wade is a No show against another top 5 team.
While Lebron is doing great as always against another top 5 team.
You're right, he's a moron for deferring to a guy getting off to the hottest start for a player all season...what an idiot:rolleyes:

[Hulk Hogan]

You're right, he's a moron for deferring to a guy getting off to the hottest start for a player all season...what an idiot:rolleyes:

This isn't just one game... Its a trend. Lebron shows up in anticipated games, wade doesn't! its not just one game, this is a sample of 8 games.

Again, come sunday, its going to be the same story. Lebron will go off and Wade will stand around watching with a bad percentage and low scoring!

[Dave3]

This isn't just one game... Its a trend. Lebron shows up in anticipated games, wade doesn't! its not just one game, this is a sample of 8 games.

Again, come sunday, its going to be the same story. Lebron will go off and Wade will stand around watching with a bad percentage and low scoring!
Sunday? The Clippers are an elite team now? And it's not a trend. I already showed you the real stats (not your selective "top 5" category) and he's scoring 21 on 1% lower than Kobe/LeBron. Whatever you want though, Wade is terrible, not event top 10 in the league:rolleyes:

[DuMa]

orlando isnt top 5. idiot

[Hulk Hogan]

Sunday? The Clippers are an elite team now? And it's not a trend. I already showed you the real stats (not your selective "top 5" category) and he's scoring 21 on 1% lower than Kobe/LeBron. Whatever you want though, Wade is terrible, not event top 10 in the league:rolleyes:

You did your selective stat against team Wade played good against. I did mine on the actually top 5 teams. LOL go tell anyone that OKC is a top 5 team and they would laugh at you.

Anyways, I meant Sun, Feb 13 vs Boston.

[r15mohd]

This isn't just one game... Its a trend. Lebron shows up in anticipated games, wade doesn't! its not just one game, this is a sample of 8 games.

Again, come sunday, its going to be the same story. Lebron will go off and Wade will stand around watching with a bad percentage and low scoring!

you know what...just think of it as the Heats new strategy. Wade will "show-up" against the lesser teams and dominate, while LBJ will take on the stronger teams and dominate. it's worked pretty well so far, 2nd place in the East.

hopefully, that will satisfy your grudge...but for some reason, i'm thinking it won't. :violin:

[Dave3]

You did your selective stat against team Wade played good against. I did mine on the actually top 5 teams. LOL go tell anyone that OKC is a top 5 team and they would laugh at you.

Anyways, I meant Sun, Feb 13 vs Boston.
I used the top 5 records in the NBA...how is that selective? You chose the freaking 5th seed in the Eastern conference and excluded the 2nd seed in that same conference, and I'm the one who's selective? You're kidding right?

[Hulk Hogan]

I used the top 5 records in the NBA...how is that selective? You chose the freaking 5th seed in the Eastern conference and excluded the 2nd seed in that same conference, and I'm the one who's selective? You're kidding right?

Even if you swap Orlando with Chicago, his stats is still bad either way.

[EnoughSaid]

2/7... let me break it down. 4 of those were jumpers towards the end of the shot clock, one was a jumper early in the shotclock, and two were layups. 3/8 now, playing with a bad back too.

[Dave3]

Even if you swap Orlando with Chicago, his stats is still bad either way.
And even if you do that, that's still only 4 teams...thought you meant top 5...If they've only played against 4, you just go to the next one, simple logic.

[Hulk Hogan]

And even if you do that, that's still only 4 teams...thought you meant top 5...If they've only played against 4, you just go to the next one, simple logic.

Your logic fails... a team doesn't become a "TOP 5 team" just because they are the best team you have played so far.

Why? Because it skews the results!

[Dave3]

Your logic fails... a team doesn't become a "TOP 5 team" just because they are the best team you have played so far.

Why? Because it skews the results!
No, it's because they're number 6. That's like excluding Dallas because they're a top 6 team technically since Miami is in the top 5... You chose the top 5 teams the player has played against, otherwise it's against the top 4 teams, because you're implying more teams in the title than actually played against. It has nothing to do with who he played well against and who he didn't play well against.

[Hulk Hogan]

Just like I said.

Dwade is not a top 3 player this season, if he is, he is BARELY. He only beats up weak teams. He is terrible against the elite teams.

Wade vs Boston - 6/17 (35%) 16 points, 6 turnovers.

He's just not good enough this year.

[az00m]

at least their team beats the elite team unlike the lakers.

:sleeping

[Hulk Hogan]

at least their team beats the elite team unlike the lakers.

:sleeping

Short time memory? The lakers just beat Boston 2 days ago, with Kobe leading the charge.

[Heat_Fan21]

Regular season means nothing!

[Heat_Fan21]

Just like I said.

Dwade is not a top 3 player this season, if he is, he is BARELY. He only beats up weak teams. He is terrible against the elite teams.

Wade vs Boston - 6/17 (35%) 16 points, 6 turnovers.

He's just not good enough this year.

:applause:

[derb2k2]

the OP(who is a ******* btw) just got completely destroyed. dumb sh*t

[Heat007]

Poor Hulky Sulky is about to commit suicide, it's been such a terrifying and horrific season for the poor lad.



Where's his playoff prediction thread again where he predicted the Lakers to win the title this year and the Heat losing in 5 to the Celtics in the 2nd round?




:oldlol:

[KOLBCTEW]

Just like I said.

Dwade is not a top 3 player this season, if he is, he is BARELY. He only beats up weak teams. He is terrible against the elite teams.

Wade vs Boston - 6/17 (35%) 16 points, 6 turnovers.

He's just not good enough this year.http://i334.photobucket.com/albums/m428/norris1927/fail.gif
http://unlinked.jimdo.com/s/cc_images/cache_2000124213.gif
:lol

[Kobe24Clutch]

Stop embarassing yourself even i say a kobe fan that wade is the best sg right now

[Andrei89]

:roll: :roll:

[WadeBronDonJuan]

Dwayne Wade VS. Top 5 Teams



Magics
Boston
Dallas
Lakers
Spur (not yet)


Points: 18.1
Field Goal Percent: 36%
Rebounds: 5.1
Assists: 5
Turnovers: 4

I can't believe this guy is even considered a Top 3 player this season, he has been terrible against the great teams and great defense. One thing I noticed was, whenever Wade shoots 6 or less free throws versus the top 5 teams, his efficiency rate drops well blow 50%. Basically his field goal percentage is dictated on whether the refs bails him out or not!


Are you kidding me???? Are you kidding me????

Did you see Wade against Boston???????????????

He played TERRIBLE against BOSTON in the Regular Season.

He played PHENOMENAL against BOSTON in the Playoffs this season.

What are you trying to prove?

WOW.

[b1imtf]

They sure do.

Without Shaq,

Wade has no success.

Without Shaq,

he even missed the playoffs.
Kobe also missed the payoffs w/o Shaq :confusedshrug:

[DWade06]

Just like I said.

Dwade is not a top 3 player this season, if he is, he is BARELY. He only beats up weak teams. He is terrible against the elite teams.

Wade vs Boston - 6/17 (35%) 16 points, 6 turnovers.

He's just not good enough this year.
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :banana: :banana: Fail thread. Is he still not good enough this year? Best in the playoffs b*tches!!

[Papaya Petee]

Vs Boston (playoffs)

30.2 PPG 6.8 RPG 4.8 APG 2 SPG 52% FG

[jrong]

Kobe also missed the payoffs w/o Shaq :confusedshrug:

And Shaq was on the team that missed the playoffs (in fact, he "led" them to an 0-8 record before Wade played his first game) He just threw a temper-tantrum until he got traded.