Who is the best Point Guard in the NBA?

[1987_Lakers]

Derrick Rose: 25/5/8 | 45% shooting | 1 spg
Deron Williams: 22/4/9 | 47% shooting | 1 spg
Chris Paul: 17/4/10 | 49% shooting | 3 spg
Rajon Rondo: 11/5/13 | 52% shooting | 2 spg
Steve Nash: 17/4/11 | 53% shooting | 1 spg

Rose is an MVP candidate this year, but I think Chris Paul is having a very underrated season. Deron Williams has very few weaknesses in his game. Rajon Rondo is probably the best defender out of all those Point Guards, but he still lacks an outside shot. Meanwhile Steve Nash will be 37 years old in a couple of days & it amazes me he is still playing at this level. Who you got?

[jasonresno]

Oh God. Inb4 server crashes.

To be perfectly honest I'd take any one of those guys to run my team.

[kaiiu]

1. Deron Williams
2. Derreck Rose
3. Chris Paul
4. Steve Nash
5. Tony Parker
6. Rajon Rondo
7. Russell Westbrook
8. Chauncey Billups

the rest

[Rose]

1. Deron Williams
2. Derrick Rose
3. Chris Paul


the rest
I fixed the typo.

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

I think D-Will/CP3 are the best

But I'd take Derrick Rose over anyone of those just listed followed by Russell Westbrook

[kaiiu]

I fixed the typo.
yeah my bad:cheers:

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

I fixed the typo.

wow no love for Russell Westbrook:confusedshrug:

22/5/8 arguably the best defensive pg in the game

[Rose]

yeah my bad:cheers:
it's cool.

[Rose]

wow no love for Russell Westbrook:confusedshrug:

22/5/8 arguably the best defensive pg in the game
So underrated. He's basically..Rose lite, with better defense.

[JBull]

Rose. Not to take anything away from the other great PGs but this guy is having an outstanding season.

[JSmooth]

whoever didnt get on my list
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iC2m75Xbo8

[kaiiu]

wow no love for Russell Westbrook:confusedshrug:

22/5/8 arguably the best defensive pg in the game
yeah he interchangeable with Nash, Rondo and Parker on my list

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

BTW John Wall is gonna be on everyone list next year:cheers:

[donald_trump]

so westbrook has probably the best stats, and out of all those on the list, hes probably the best defensively, and yet you leave him out?

westbrook is seriously underrated on here. hes easily a top 3 pg, if not the best in the league atm.

[1987_Lakers]

wow no love for Russell Westbrook:confusedshrug:

22/5/8 arguably the best defensive pg in the game

Westbrook is inefficient & has turnover problems. I got him at #6.

[UtahJazzFan88]

Right now I'd take Rose.

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

Westbrook is inefficient & has turnover problems. I got him at #6.

Russell Westbrook Stats: 22.4ppg 5.1rpg 8.5apg 1.9spg 3.8topg 43fg%
Derrick Rose Stats: 24.6ppg 4.6rpg 8.2apg 1spg 3.4topg 44fg%

:confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

[Rose]

Who can't wait till We get to see Rose-Dwill one night, and then Rose-CP3 later that week? and then do it all again like 3 weeks later! I'm excited:lol

[DuMa]

http://i46.tinypic.com/2h56z6c.gif

well at least he's got the smile of the best point guard of the NBA

[jasonresno]

Westbrook is inefficient & has turnover problems. I got him at #6.
Paul EFF: + 24.24
Deron EFF: + 23.87
Rose EFF: + 23.49
Russel EFF:+ 23.42
Nash EFF: + 22.87
Rondo EFF:+ 20.92

[1987_Lakers]

Russell Westbrook Stats: 22.4ppg 5.1rpg 8.5apg 1.9spg 3.8topg 43fg%
Derrick Rose Stats: 24.6ppg 4.6rpg 8.2apg 1spg 3.4topg 44fg%

:confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

Rose can me inefficient at times too. They both commit about the same amount of turnovers, but Rose has the ball in his hands more than Westbrook. Rose is also a much better ball handler.

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

http://i46.tinypic.com/2h56z6c.gif

well at least he's got the smile of the best point guard of the NBA

Not even trying to diss but in that GIF Fisher looks like he has a cone head :oldlol:
http://shesaidzed.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/a-conehead.jpg

[donald_trump]

Westbrook is inefficient & has turnover problems. I got him at #6.

he takes 2 less shots than rose, who only scores 2 more points than him. hes not anymore inefficient than rose. not to mention their assist to turnover ratio is nearly identical.
plus, his defense is far and beyond rose's.

[ReturnofJPR]

It's more than numbers. When it comes to leadership, Derrick Rose is second to none. Keep in mind he is only 22 years old.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_MFWJc74tpqs/TTOh9AvYpXI/AAAAAAAAAHo/2RElEzJ96uc/s1600/rose_090202.jpg

1st Year in the NBA: Skills Champion, Rookie of the Year
2nd Year: All Star, Gold Medal Winner
3rd Year: Most Improved Player, All Star Starter, MVP

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

It's more than numbers. When it comes to leadership, Derrick Rose is second to none. Keep in mind he is only 22 years old.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_MFWJc74tpqs/TTOh9AvYpXI/AAAAAAAAAHo/2RElEzJ96uc/s1600/rose_090202.jpg

1st Year in the NBA: Skills Champion, Rookie of the Year
2nd Year: All Star, Gold Medal Winner
3rd Year: Most Improved Player, All Star Starter, MVP

WTF?

Its been leaked out already?

Link?

[donald_trump]

Rose can me inefficient at times too. They both commit about the same amount of turnovers, but Rose has the ball in his hands more than Westbrook. Rose is also a much better ball handler.

wrong again, their usage % is the same.

[jasonresno]

It's more than numbers. When it comes to leadership, Derrick Rose is second to none. Keep in mind he is only 22 years old.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_MFWJc74tpqs/TTOh9AvYpXI/AAAAAAAAAHo/2RElEzJ96uc/s1600/rose_090202.jpg

1st Year in the NBA: Skills Champion, Rookie of the Year
2nd Year: All Star, Gold Medal Winner
3rd Year: Most Improved Player, All Star Starter, MVP
I hope that 3rd year prediction comes true (of course outside the all star bit) because that'd be a helluva resume. He'd also become the youngest player to EVER win the MVP award.

[DeronMillsap]

Overall career, Deron Williams and CP3.....but this season it's Derrick Rose and it's not even close.

D-Rose is playing like a #1 MVP candidate. No other PG is on his level right now.

[magnax1]

Who can't wait till We get to see Rose-Dwill one night, and then Rose-CP3 later that week? and then do it all again like 3 weeks later! I'm excited:lol
That'll be epic. When is that?
I'll go like
1-Deron
2-CP3
3-Rose
And then Rondo a tiny bit behind Rose.

[ReturnofJPR]

That'll be epic. When is that?
I'll go like
1-Deron
2-CP3
3-Rose
And then Rondo a tiny bit behind Rose.

I'd take Westbrook over Rondo. But on the C's, Rondo is perfect. So, starting a team from scratch I would choose Westbrook. But with a team that has Pierce, KG, Ray Allen, etc. I would choose Rondo.

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

Overall career, Deron Williams and CP3.....but this season it's Derrick Rose and it's not even close.

D-Rose is playing like a #1 MVP candidate. No other PG is on his level right now.

you cant say its not even close.

Deron Williams in the start of the season was looking like a MVP. Captain Comeback :bowdown: :bowdown:

Deron Williams has to be in the discussion

And for CP3 the man is playing with a bunch of srcubs and has that team over 500% :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: I give my props to him. His stats arent his regular 2007-2010 like, but that because of the slower pace offense he plays in.

But yeah this PG ERA IS DOPE:cheers:

[entropy35]

BTW John Wall is gonna be on everyone list next year:cheers:
This.

He could turn into a D-Wade lite when he gets a better jump shot.

[Rose]

That'll be epic. When is that?
I'll go like
1-Deron
2-CP3
3-Rose
And then Rondo a tiny bit behind Rose.
the games in NO/Utah are this upcoming week. then Dwill/Cp3 take their talents to Chicago at the end of the month or early March I believe.

[I'm Seriously]

1: Paul
2: Nash/Deron
4: Rose
5: Rondo/Westbrook

[magnax1]

I'd take Westbrook over Rondo. But on the C's, Rondo is perfect. So, starting a team from scratch I would choose Westbrook. But with a team that has Pierce, KG, Ray Allen, etc. I would choose Rondo.
I want to see Westbrook more in the playoffs before I put him to high, but otherwise he's right with Rondo/Rose to me. I'm always going to take a guy who can pass over a scorer though, especially a point. 20 ppg scorers are fairly common, 10+ assists is very rare, and probably does more for a team.

the games in NO/Utah are this upcoming week. then Dwill/Cp3 take their talents to Chicago at the end of the month or early March I believe.
Now I can look forward to Millsap and Jefferson taking down Boozer.

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

I'd take Westbrook over Rondo. But on the C's, Rondo is perfect. So, starting a team from scratch I would choose Westbrook. But with a team that has Pierce, KG, Ray Allen, etc. I would choose Rondo.

Naw i will still take RW.

Having a player like KG and Ray Ray will make Westbrook even tougher than he is now!!!:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

His playmaking ability isnt as good as Rondo but his scoring ability is superior and he is a much better shooter

[Mr. Jabbar]

Maybe its time we start giving Parker some credit as a top 5 PG?

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

This.

He could turn into a D-Wade lite when he gets a better jump shot.


Hopefully.

He just has nagging injuries bothering him.

Hope next year he averages 19/11 like numbers. And too bad he plays with stupid guys like Nick and Javlee oh yeah plus Blatche:facepalm :facepalm

[kaiiu]

Maybe its time we start giving Parker some credit as a top 5 PG?
he is in mine and he is better than rondo imo

[ReturnofJPR]

I think everyone who has been watching the NBA this season realizes how improved both Westbrook and Rose are. They work out all summer together, go figure! No wonder they are so improved since they go 1 on 1 while training...for an entire summer?! I hope they both continue that trend every offseason. It's hard not to like both players.

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

I want to see Westbrook more in the playoffs before I put him to high, but otherwise he's right with Rondo/Rose to me. I'm always going to take a guy who can pass over a scorer though, especially a point. 20 ppg scorers are fairly common, 10+ assists is very rare, and probably does more for a team.

Now I can look forward to Millsap and Jefferson taking down Boozer.


Assist IMO are overrated.

Last year people were stating that Rose wasnt a good passer/playmaker because of his 6apg BIGGEST FACEPALM EVER:facepalm

[Rose]

Now I can look forward to Millsap and Jefferson taking down Boozer.
:roll: You mean you think that he'll actually play?!?!?!?

Yes that's right. I was never a fan of the Boozer signing. I actually wanted Big Al.

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

Maybe its time we start giving Parker some credit as a top 5 PG?

Maybe 7th IMO

1. CP3/Dwill
3. Rose/Westbrook
5. Nash
6. Rondo
7. Tony

:confusedshrug: :confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

[alenleomessi]

CP3 all day long

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

CP3 all day long

yeah I love me some CP3.

Cant believe he didnt win the MVP:facepalm :cry:

[ShaqAttack3234]

D-Will is a bad mother****er. :pimp:

Best point guard in the league and pretty overlooked. He's been a top 10 player for several seasons.

[magnax1]

:roll: You mean you think that he'll actually play?!?!?!?

Yes that's right. I was never a fan of the Boozer signing. I actually wanted Big Al.
Yeah, I was okay with Boozer until the last playoffs, and now I just hate him. I have no idea how Utah got Jefferson for a pick still.
:lol
Makes no sense

Assist IMO are overrated.

Last year people were stating that Rose wasnt a good passer/playmaker because of his 6apg BIGGEST FACEPALM EVER
I've never been terribly impressed with Rose's passing. That's just not what makes him a top 10 player, even though he's a fairly good passer.
And Assists are generally among the most accurate stats, especially if you compare it with turnovers and don't compare across positions. It's sort of hard to get a lot of assists without being a great passer, where it can be easy to stat stuff other stats.

[magnax1]

D-Will is a bad mother****er. :pimp:

Best point guard in the league and pretty overlooked. He's been a top 10 player for several seasons.
What's your top 10 this season?

[ReturnofJPR]

Tony Parker might be San Antonio's best player this season besides Manu but at the same time I don't think he gets a lot of respect because he's small, soft, not American (everyone knows what people think of the French), seems to only make lay ups, and has no charisma. He has no edge. I don't even know if he is vocal on the court.

1) Derrick Rose
2) Deron Williams
3) Chris Paul
4) Russell Westbrook
5) Steve Nash
6) Rajon Rondo
7) Tony Parker
8) Chauncey Billups
9) Jason Kidd
10) Raymond Felton

[Rose]

Yeah, I was okay with Boozer until the last playoffs, and now I just hate him. I have no idea how Utah got Jefferson for a pick still.
:lol
Makes no sense
...That still upsets me to this very day.:mad:

I've never been terribly impressed with Rose's passing. That's just not what makes him a top 10 player, even though he's a fairly good passer.
And Assists are generally among the most accurate stats, especially if you compare it with turnovers and don't compare across positions. It's sort of hard to get a lot of assists without being a great passer, where it can be easy to stat stuff other stats.
And I agree with this, although I do think he's becoming a better passer.

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

D-Will is a bad mother****er. :pimp:

Best point guard in the league and pretty overlooked. He's been a top 10 player for several seasons.

Yeah prior to this season he only made 1 ASG and he was like the best pg:facepalm

[DeronMillsap]

you cant say its not even close.

Deron Williams in the start of the season was looking like a MVP. Captain Comeback :bowdown: :bowdown:

Deron Williams has to be in the discussion

And for CP3 the man is playing with a bunch of srcubs and has that team over 500% :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: I give my props to him. His stats arent his regular 2007-2010 like, but that because of the slower pace offense he plays in.

But yeah this PG ERA IS DOPE:cheers:
OK...I take back the "not even close" statement for this season.
All 3 PG's are incredible!!!

Been disappointed in Deron and the Jazz lately. That's all!!! :lol

[YouCallILose]

1. CP3
2. Deron
3. Rose

[ReturnofJPR]

What follows is not fact but only my opinion...Another way to measure it is that D-Will and Rose are the strongest PG's in the NBA. Rose and Wall are the fastest. Rose, Paul, and Westbrook have the best body control. Paul, Rondo, and Nash are the best passers. Rose is the best athlete at the position. If you continue to break down the players like that, another picture besides using stats will develop.

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

OK...I take back the "not even close" statement for this season.
All 3 PG's are incredible!!!

Been disappointed in Deron and the Jazz lately. That's all!!! :lol
:djparty :djparty :hammertime: :hammertime: :hammertime:


And I agree with this, although I do think he's becoming a better passer.

And Rose I'm gonna have to disagree with you on this.

Rose was always a good passer IMO. College, highschool and his rookie season.

[jasonresno]

Yeah, I was okay with Boozer until the last playoffs, and now I just hate him. I have no idea how Utah got Jefferson for a pick still.
:lol
Makes no sense

I've never been terribly impressed with Rose's passing. That's just not what makes him a top 10 player, even though he's a fairly good passer.
And Assists are generally among the most accurate stats, especially if you compare it with turnovers and don't compare across positions. It's sort of hard to get a lot of assists without being a great passer, where it can be easy to stat stuff other stats.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXBaUFrImgU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWdV4wIxyXk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DnqQ4h49fs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wc8lSnTbfDg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g87WfyE3eEk

And he does plays like those pretty consistently too.
Dudes got underrated passing skills, imo.

[ReturnofJPR]

As a senior in high school, Rose averaged 26, 9, and 9. :bowdown:

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

What follows is not fact but only my opinion...Another way to measure it is that D-Will and Rose are the strongest PG's in the NBA. Rose and Wall are the fastest. Rose, Paul, and Westbrook have the best body control. Paul, Rondo, and Nash are the best passers. Rose is the best athlete at the position. If you continue to break down the players like that, another picture besides using stats will develop.

Deron Williams has the best crossover. Even thou Rose is elite @ that as well.

Westbrook is also a very strong pg.

And Rondo is arguably the best pg defender as well

[ShaqAttack3234]

What's your top 10 this season?

Kind of tough at this point in the season, but I'll give it a shot.

So far...

1.Lebron
2.Wade
3.Dwight
4.Kobe
5.Durant
6.Deron
7.Dirk
8.Amare
9.Nash
10.CP3/Rose

I will say that I am a bit drunk and it is 1:30 here in New York so this list may not be my real top 10, but pretty close. I'll rank the players after the playoffs, that'll be more accurate.

[DeronMillsap]

Yeah prior to this season he only made 1 ASG and he was like the best pg:facepalm
Playing in Utah hurts his stock a lot in popularity.

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXBaUFrImgU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWdV4wIxyXk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DnqQ4h49fs

Dudes got underrated passing skills, imo.

Yeah this is what I mean.

The last 2 werent these season. So you can see that Rose always had the great passing skills.

Even if you go and watch the Boston vs Bulls series you will see how good a passer he is :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

BTW That was Rookie Rose

[ReturnofJPR]

Deron Williams has the best crossover. Even thou Rose is elite @ that as well.

Westbrook is also a very strong pg.

And Rondo is arguably the best pg defender as well


Good point, that's why Rondo is so high on a lot of people's lists. He is arguably the best passer and defender at the PG position in the NBA. But that jump shot and free throws...:facepalm

[kaiiu]

Deron Williams has the best crossover. Even thou Rose is elite @ that as well.

Westbrook is also a very strong pg.

And Rondo is arguably the best pg defender as well

Dwill's hesitation crossover step is just :eek: :bowdown: nasty

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

As a senior in high school, Rose averaged 26, 9, and 9. :bowdown:


Didnt he also have a 0point 33assist game?:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Dionysus]

Kind of tough at this point in the season, but I'll give it a shot.

So far...

1.Lebron
2.Wade
3.Dwight
4.Kobe
5.Durant
6.Deron
7.Dirk
8.Amare
9.Nash
10.CP3/Rose

I will say that I am a bit drunk and it is 1:30 here in New York so this list may not be my real top 10, but pretty close. I'll rank the players after the playoffs, that'll be more accurate.

:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: What are you drinking on mi friend?

[magnax1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXBaUFrImgU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWdV4wIxyXk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DnqQ4h49fs

Dudes got underrated passing skills, imo.
He's not a bad passer, but he's not as good of a passer as the other elite PGs. Probaly top 1/3rd-1/2 of PGs as far as passing goes.

[O.J A 6'4Mamba]

Good point, that's why Rondo is so high on a lot of people's lists. He is arguably the best passer and defender at the PG position in the NBA. But that jump shot and free throws...:facepalm

How does your list look? give me your top 6 , same with you Beasley.
I have Rose, Wiliams, Cp3, Westbrook, Nash, Rondo,

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

Good point, that's why Rondo is so high on a lot of people's lists. He is arguably the best passer and defender at the PG position in the NBA. But that jump shot and free throws...:facepalm

yeah :facepalm


Playing in Utah hurts his stock a lot in popularity.

But even the coaches should be voting him in....................... SMH


Dwill's hesitation crossover step is just nasty

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Rose]

He's not a bad passer, but he's not as good of a passer as the other elite PGs. Probaly top 1/3rd-1/2 of PGs as far as passing goes.
In terms of passing...i have it as
Nash
CP3
Dwill
Kidd
Rondo
Wall
Rose

You?

[JGXEN]

Rose for me. IMO CP3, DWill are 'has-beens'. Time for these new PGs to take over: Rose, Rondo, Westbrook, maybe Wall

[ReturnofJPR]

How does your list look? give me your top 6 , same with you Beasley.
I have Rose, Wiliams, Cp3, Westbrook, Nash, Rondo,


1) Derrick Rose
2) Deron Williams
3) Chris Paul
4) Russell Westbrook
5) Steve Nash
6) Rajon Rondo
7) Tony Parker
8) Chauncey Billups
9) Jason Kidd
10) Raymond Felton

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

How does your list look? give me your top 6 , same with you Beasley.
I have Rose, Wiliams, Cp3, Westbrook, Nash, Rondo,




1. CP3/Dwill
3. Rose/Westbrook
5. Nash
6. Rondo
7. Tony
8. Felton
9. Harris
10. Curry

:confusedshrug: :confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:


something like that:confusedshrug:

[magnax1]

Kind of tough at this point in the season, but I'll give it a shot.

So far...

1.Lebron
2.Wade
3.Dwight
4.Kobe
5.Durant
6.Deron
7.Dirk
8.Amare
9.Nash
10.CP3/Rose

I will say that I am a bit drunk and it is 1:30 here in New York so this list may not be my real top 10, but pretty close. I'll rank the players after the playoffs, that'll be more accurate.
Yeah, that's pretty close to what I have. Except I'd raise CP3 a lot, and drop Amare and Durant a lot.
I don't get the hype for Amare this year. He's past his peak, and still doesn't rotate on D or rebound at all.

[Bigsmoke]

Derrick Rose.

CP3 is raw but why isnt he shooting more?

[Clippersfan86]

1. D Will
2. CP3 (numbers down.. but still 2nd most efficient player in league)
3. Derrick Rose
4. Rondo
5. Steve Nash


Those would be my top 5 all around PG's. May be partially biased because I value "pure" or traditional PG's more. I'm not a fan of PG's who are the main scoring option really at the sacrifice of being the primary playmaker, set up man.

[MMM]

1 CP3/Williams
2 Williams/CP3
3 Rose - I had him and Rondo tied here but Rose has separated him self in terms of the season he is having so far.
4 Rondo - Seems to be hindered by a slew of injuries and hasn't really look good for awhile now.
5 Nash
6 Parker
7 Westbrook

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

Derrick Rose.

CP3 is raw but why isnt he shooting more?

slowest paced Offense.

16/9 is pretty decent for a team with a pace of 89

[Rose]

1 CP3/Williams
2 Williams/CP3
3 Rose - I had him and Rondo tied here but Rose has separated him self in terms of the season he is having so far.
4 Rondo - Seems to be hindered by a slew of injuries and hasn't really look good for awhile now.
5 Nash
6 Parker
7 Westbrook
You missed the memo about how we have to put Parker as low as possible to upset the Spurs fans.:lol

[Clippersfan86]

All of these PG's outside of Rondo are the first scoring option for their team but unlike Rose.. they all work within a system... where when I watch Rose play.. it's more him dominating the ball completely. I don't see Nash, CP3, D Williams or Rondo dominate the ball and stop an offense for ISO's the way D Rose does.

[magnax1]

In terms of passing...i have it as
Nash
CP3
Dwill
Kidd
Rondo
Wall
Rose

You?
That's tough.
First is obviously Nash.
CP3
Rondo
Wall
Kidd
Deron
Andre Miller (guy always gets ignored)
Westbrook/Rose
There is a bit of a dropoff after

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

All of these PG's outside of Rondo are the first scoring option for their team but unlike Rose.. they all work within a system... where when I watch Rose play.. it's more him dominating the ball completely. I don't see Nash, CP3, D Williams or Rondo dominate the ball and stop an offense for ISO's the way D Rose does.

Westbrook is the 2nd option
Paul is the 2nd option

[jasonresno]

All of these PG's outside of Rondo are the first scoring option for their team but unlike Rose.. they all work within a system... where when I watch Rose play.. it's more him dominating the ball completely. I don't see Nash, CP3, D Williams or Rondo dominate the ball and stop an offense for ISO's the way D Rose does.
I don't get where you're seeing that, to be honest. Rose does run the offensive plays but I rarely ever see him run iso after iso after iso after iso.

[Rose]

That's tough.
First is obviously Nash.
CP3
Rondo
Wall
Kidd
Deron
Andre Miller (guy always gets ignored)
Westbrook/Rose
There is a bit of a dropoff after
I'm surprised at how low you have Deron to be honest. I think the fact that he gets over 10 assists in that motion offense says a lot. i realize Stockton excelled in it, but whatever. And true I forgot about Andre, but I haven't watched him play more than maybe 4 games a year, since 06 maybe:lol

[ShaqAttack3234]

:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: What are you drinking on mi friend?

Rum, I'm usually a vodka guy, but haven't drank regularly for like 6 months, but I made great progress on my demos(I'm a musician), so I celebrated. Besides, it's better shit than the 6 dollar vodka I use to drink. :oldlol:


Yeah, that's pretty close to what I have. Except I'd raise CP3 a lot, and drop Amare and Durant a lot.
I don't get the hype for Amare this year. He's past his peak, and still doesn't rotate on D or rebound at all.

Eh, I'm a bit of an Amare homer since he came to New York, but his defense is a bit better than it use to be. Yeah, he's never been as good of a rebounder as he could've been and below average for a star PF/C, but I think his lack of rebounding is exaggerated. I disagree that he's past his peak, he's as lethal of a scorer as he's ever been, his efficiency has gone down because he has to create more, but his mid-range shot is very good for his position, he's still an above average leaper, he can run and he has great body control for a big man. He's also averaging a career high in blocks. Again, I'm a huge fan, Dwight and Amare are my favorite current players, so maybe I'm biased, but I watch him regularly and he's really a great player even if he is flawed.

I can see the argument for Durant being lower so no complaints there. Like I said, my real rankings will be finished after the playoffs.

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

That's tough.
First is obviously Nash.
CP3
Rondo
Wall
Kidd
Deron
Andre Miller (guy always gets ignored)
Westbrook/Rose
There is a bit of a dropoff after

Andre Miller isnt that good of a passer like Westbrook/Rose IMO

Is this list just for PG'S? Cuz if not Lebron needs to be on it

[O.J A 6'4Mamba]

something like that:confusedshrug:
Curious you have Rose below Paul and CP3. Same level as Westbrook. Need explanation

[Crazy Style]

We haven't seen the best of Rose yet, come on he's only 22 and he's got more to play for than ever before! The closer he gets to the playoffs the nastier he will become. The way he vastly improved his three point shooting this season is quite incredible. His mid range shot was coming along well the second half of last season, but now he's reliable everywhere on the court when it comes to offense. Plus the way he dribbles around defenders is just amazing. Next step for him is to get to the line more often and step up on defense, but with a coach like Thibs we should see nice improvements in the next couple years.

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

Curious you have Rose below Paul and CP3. Same level as Westbrook. Need explanation

Umm well :confusedshrug:

I have Rose below Paul and D-will because D-WILL and CP3 have taken their teams to the playoffs and advance. Rose has yet to do that same goes for Westbrook.

But the margin isn't big at all.

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

We haven't seen the best of Rose yet, come on he's only 22 and he's got more to play for than ever before! The closer he gets to the playoffs the nastier he will become. The way he vastly improved his three point shooting this season is quite incredible. His mid range shot was coming along well the second half of last season, but now he's reliable everywhere on the court when it comes to offense. Plus the way he dribbles around defenders is just amazing. Next step for him is to get to the line more often and step up on defense, but with a coach like Thibs we should see nice improvements in the next couple of years.


Same goes for Russell Westbrook and John Wall :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Rose]

Andre Miller isnt that good of a passer like Westbrook/Rose IMO

Is this list just for PG'S? Cuz if not Lebron needs to be on it
To put it into perspective...the only guys to get 10 assists for a season last decade were Nash (5? times) Kidd 3 times, Paul and Deron twice, and Andre Miller once. It's not as easy as it seems. Even guys like Francis, and Starbury topped out at 9.

And yeah just points.

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

To put it into perspective...the only guys to get 10 assists for a season last decade were Nash (5? times) Kidd 3 times, Paul and Deron twice, and Andre Miller once. It's not as easy as it seems. Even guys like Francis, and Starbury topped out at 9.

And yeah just points.

Yeah I know but what i see in Portland isnt all that impressive. Maybe its just the way the offense is set up, because @ best he looks like a Billups type of passer average.

[magnax1]

I'm surprised at how low you have Deron to be honest. I think the fact that he gets over 10 assists in that motion offense says a lot. i realize Stockton excelled in it, but whatever. And true I forgot about Andre, but I haven't watched him play more than maybe 4 games a year, since 06 maybe:lol
Well Deron's greatest attribute is that he doesn't really have a weakness. He's probably the best scoring PG even over Rose, but otherwise he's top tier and not the best at everything.
As for Miller, I've been watching the Blazers lately because of Aldridge, and watching them reminded me how great Miller is for how little he puts up statistically.

[Rose]

Yeah I know but what i see in Portland isnt all that impressive. Maybe its just the way the offense is set up, because @ best he looks like a Billups type of passer average.
It's because of the slow offense, he's an uptempo kinda guy. It was a BAD fit from the start. It makes him look bad.

[Rose]

Well Deron's greatest attribute is that he doesn't really have a weakness. He's probably the best scoring PG even over Rose, but otherwise he's top tier and not the best at everything.
As for Miller, I've been watching the Blazers lately because of Aldridge, and watching them reminded me how great Miller is for how little he puts up statistically.
I can agree with that about Deron.

And its true what you said about Miller as well.

[Dionysus]

Same goes for Russell Westbrook and John Wall :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

Sorry to burst yoar bubble thare love, but Wall is never going to get better. He's going to be a point gaurd with no brains or shooting ability. You may get the occasional 17 point 17assist game, but he will mostly have 11 point 8 assist 41% fg type of games for his whole career.

[Crazy Style]

Same goes for Russell Westbrook and John Wall :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

It's going to be an incredible decade for point guards!:rockon:

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

It's because of the slow offense, he's an uptempo kinda guy. It was a BAD fit from the start. It makes him look bad.

Uptempo?

He didnt put up 10dimes in Denver:confusedshrug:

Yeah and what he was doing in Philly made me vomit :lol :lol :lol

I dont like his game.

Oh yeah Baron Davis is an elite passer as well:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

Sorry to burst yoar bubble thare love, but Wall is never going to get better. He's going to be a point gaurd with no brains or shooting ability. You may get the occasional 17 point 17assist game, but he will mostly have 11 point 8 assist 41% fg type of games for his whole career.
:confusedshrug:

Well Wall did show glipse of his nasty potential when he was 100%

[Dionysus]

:confusedshrug:

Well Wall did show glipse of his nasty potential when he was 100%

He's stupid. No smarts. Will be on a losing team for the rest of his career. Same with Brandon Jenning, both players are overrated. Sorry to tell you this love.

[magnax1]

Andre Miller isnt that good of a passer like Westbrook/Rose IMO

Is this list just for PG'S? Cuz if not Lebron needs to be on it
What Rose said about him looking bad in a slow offense is right. He looked really good in Philly, but now that he has the ball more without Roy he's looked a bit better again.

Eh, I'm a bit of an Amare homer since he came to New York, but his defense is a bit better than it use to be. Yeah, he's never been as good of a rebounder as he could've been and below average for a star PF/C, but I think his lack of rebounding is exaggerated. I disagree that he's past his peak, he's as lethal of a scorer as he's ever been, his efficiency has gone down because he has to create more, but his mid-range shot is very good for his position, he's still an above average leaper, he can run and he has great body control for a big man. He's also averaging a career high in blocks. Again, I'm a huge fan, Dwight and Amare are my favorite current players, so maybe I'm biased, but I watch him regularly and he's really a great player even if he is flawed.

I can see the argument for Durant being lower so no complaints there. Like I said, my real rankings will be finished after the playoffs.
I get what you're saying, but Amare just doesn't look near as good to me as he did in 05 or 08 when he was 25 ppg on 15 shots or something insane like that. Also, he also doesn't really play in a way that creates for his team, which I really don't like to see. He's right by Bosh as far as power forwards go to me.
As for waiting for the playoffs, I usually say the same thing. It's difficult to judge players off the regular season. I wouldn't have Dwight ranked near as high if not for the playoffs the last couple years.

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

He's stupid. No smarts. Will be on a losing team for the rest of his career. Same with Brandon Jenning, both players are overrated. Sorry to tell you this love.

I dont give a crap bout Jennings.

[Dionysus]

I dont give a crap bout Jennings.

But Jenning and Wall is the same player. Stupid, can't shoot, no impact on games, the same.

Not even half as good as Blake Griffin.

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

But Jenning and Wall is the same player. Stupid, can't shoot, no impact on games, the same.

Not even half as good as Blake Griffin.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2482/3811055786_b51d292cde.jpg

[magnax1]

But Jenning and Wall is the same player. Stupid, can't shoot, no impact on games, the same.

Not even half as good as Blake Griffin.
If there are two things you can't say about Jennings it's that he can't shoot and is stupid. Jennings has 3 pt range, and is smart on offense and defense. He just sucks at finishing and can get bullied on offense very easily.

[Dionysus]

If there are two things you can't say about Jennings it's that he can't shoot and is stupid. Jennings has 3 pt range, and is smart on offense and defense. He just sucks at finishing and can get bullied on offense very easily.

We clearly arent watching the same player then bit. I watch a player with bad haircuts running around like a chicken with his head cut off. No potential there. Should of stayed overseas.

[Dionysus]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2482/3811055786_b51d292cde.jpg

Show me the impact lad. Better yet, call me when he win one game on the road.

[Rose]

My problem with Gumby is...I don't think he has an offensive game. he can't really shoot. (except fts) and his body is so underdeveloped he gets bullied like Magnax said, which leads to poor %s. And right now at least, I don't think his intangibles make up for that. Although he's a TERRIFIC defender.

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

My problem with Gumby is...I don't think he has an offensive game. he can't really shoot. (except fts) and his body is so underdeveloped he gets bullied like Magnax said, which leads to poor %s. And right now at least, I don't think his intangibles make up for that. Although he's a TERRIFIC defender.

who is Gumby? :oldlol: :oldlol:

[kaiiu]

who is Gumby? :oldlol: :oldlol:

Jennings when he had that flat top like hairdo. dude a clown doe

[Rose]

who is Gumby? :oldlol: :oldlol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKrN84EFPx0

[Dionysus]

Jennings when he had that flat top like hairdo. dude a clown doe

No IQ, it's expected my friend.

[Mr. Jabbar]

Lets not forget the swag king, Chris Quinn, already putting up statlines that will storm the headlines. Tonight:

0-1 fgma 0 reb 0 assist 0 steals 1 TO 1 pf (3:02 min)


And hes not even in his prime


:bowdown: :bowdown:

[magnax1]

My problem with Gumby is...I don't think he has an offensive game. he can't really shoot. (except fts) and his body is so underdeveloped he gets bullied like Magnax said, which leads to poor %s. And right now at least, I don't think his intangibles make up for that. Although he's a TERRIFIC defender.
He's actually a real good jumpshooter/3pt shooter. I'm biased on Jennings, he's my favorite player. He's definitely in the top 1/2 of point guards though. I think if he bulks up and becomes more polished he can Get into the top tier with all the guys we've been talking about.

[Rose]

He's actually a real good jumpshooter/3pt shooter. I'm biased on Jennings though, he's my favorite player. He's definitely in the top 1/2 of point guards though. I think if he bulks up and becomes more polished he can Get into the top tier with all the guys we've been talking about.
well he is a pretty legit 3 shooter, 37 last year and 36 this year on 5 attempts a game.

But his overall isn't even 40, I'm not sure if that's because of his midrange, or the fact he gets hammered inside. But I do agree with you that he can be a top tier guy.

Damn we need synergy sports graphs up in here.

[magnax1]

well he is a pretty legit 3 shooter, 37 last year and 36 this year on 5 attempts a game.

But his overall isn't even 40, I'm not sure if that's because of his midrange, or the fact he gets hammered inside. But I do agree with you that he can be a top tier guy.

Damn we need synergy sports graphs up in here.
It's definitely because he gets hammered inside. I watched 50+ Bucks games last year, and probably 1/3rd of them this year, and the problem with Jennings is that he just can't finish so defenses can play up on him and bully him in the midrange. The problem is also sort of compounded because you don't really have to pay attention to anyone but Bogut Jennings and Maggette/Salmons last year. So it's fairly easy to play tough on Jennings.

[Rose]

It's definitely because he gets hammered inside. I watched 50+ Bucks games last year, and probably 1/3rd of them this year, and the problem with Jennings is that he just can't finish so defenses can play up on him and bully him in the midrange. The problem is also sort of compounded because you don't really have to pay attention to anyone but Bogut Jennings and Maggette/Salmons last year. So it's fairly easy to play tough on Jennings.
I'm curious as to why he's your favorite. You from Compton originally or something? Or just like his eccentric personality?

And I've seen maybe...12 or so of his pro games, and I'd have to agree with you that his frame definitely has something to do with it. I can't say much about the Maggette/Salmons thing though because I got nothing on that topic.:lol

[Nash-tastic]

1) Derrick Rose
2) Deron Williams
3) Chris Paul
4) Steve Nash
5) Russell Westbrook

[magnax1]

I'm curious as to why he's your favorite. You from Compton originally or something? Or just like his eccentric personality?

And I've seen maybe...12 or so of his pro games, and I'd have to agree with you that his frame definitely has something to do with it. I can't say much about the Maggette/Salmons thing though because I got nothing on that topic.:lol
I don't know why I like him. I like the way the Bucks play, and he's my favorite player on the Bucks. It's probably because that 55 point game he had was one my favorite games in a long time.

[Rose]

I don't know why I like him. I like the way the Bucks play, and he's my favorite player on the Bucks. It's probably because that 55 point game he had was one my favorite games in a long time.
Ah their tough nose defense, and old school-ish style of play?

[magnax1]

Ah their tough nose defense, and old school-ish style of play?
Pretty much. Also Skiles is a great coach. Didn't he coach that Bulls team that beat Miami? Why'd they ever get rid of him?

[Rose]

Pretty much. Also Skiles is a great coach. Didn't he coach that Bulls team that beat Miami? Why'd they ever get rid of him?
Yep, and he burned them out and maxed out their talent. And the players got tired of listening to him. Personally I wish they had kept him a bit longer, but on the otherhand....Rose is here and I'd much rather have him than Skiles.

[magnax1]

Yep, and he burned them out and maxed out their talent. And the players got tired of listening to him. Personally I wish they had kept him a bit longer, but on the otherhand....Rose is here and I'd much rather have him than Skiles.
Yeah, I was looking through his coaching record and he's taken some really poor teams to the playoffs. He needs to be put on a team with talent at some point.

[bdreason]

Deron Williams.

[DeronMillsap]

Skiles is Larry Brown in the making!!!! He's the best young coach in the league.

[Mr. Jabbar]

Skiles is Larry Brown in the making!!!! He's the best young coach in the league.

OMG don't change your avy, that girl was right in so many ways :lol

[StateOfMind12]

Rose
Williams
Paul
Nash
Rondo
Westbrook

In that order. I have Williams above Paul because Williams is more aggressive. Williams knows when to turn on the switch and take over games, I haven't seen that much from Paul this season. Rondo is above Westbrook because Rondo does his PG duties better than Westbrook does. As an overall player, those two are are neck and neck. I really can't decide who is better though. I have been loving Westbrook since he was in UCLA. I might go with Westbrook, because I see more potential in him.

Nash is a clear fourth in my opinion, in an island, i.e. Paul has a decent margin over him and he has a decent margin over Rondo and Westbrook.


Nash is still the best offensive PG in the league, and I am surprised his back isn't broken with all the carrying he has done this season.

[DeronMillsap]

OMG don't change your avy, that girl was right in so many ways :lol
She's in my desktop, she'll be back. :D

Gotta show some love for Jeremy Evans for a bit.

[Mr. Jabbar]

She's in my desktop, she'll be back. :D

Gotta show some love for Jeremy Evans for a bit.


lol ok fair enough

[Pointguard]

Rose
Williams
Paul
Nash
Rondo
Westbrook


That's the way I have it as well.

Simply put, Rose utilizes more strengths than the others. If he had a consistent shooter, more motion in the offense and a healthy Noah to lob to the distance would be very evident, since many here say passing is his weakness. He's on the level of Paul/Williams in leadership but has the edge in inspiration this year. Only Westbrook is on his level of penetration. Only Williams and Nash are on his level of deadliness from the outside. Does what he has to do to win and has been more effective in doing that as well.

[DaHeezy]

Chris Paul is the best point gaurd

Derrick Rose is the best player in the PG position

[sh0wtime]

Are we talking about listed PG's or are we talking about who actually plays the PG position the best?

Listed PG's i have to say Derrick Rose is playing the best right now, but as far as who is actually playing PG best its very safe to say Lebron, really. :confusedshrug: I mean he is the most productive/efficient player manning the point, running the offense, setting up plays, scoring, passing, rebounding, defense, he is a point-forward anyways, playing PG offensively and Forward defensively just like Magic Johnson and he will start/play PG very often, but most often he starts from SF hence why he is not listed PG.

[donald_trump]

Are we talking about listed PG's or are we talking about who actually plays the PG position the best?

Listed PG's i have to say Derrick Rose is playing the best right now, but as far as who is actually playing PG best its very safe to say Lebron, really. :confusedshrug: I mean he is the most productive/efficient player manning that point, running the offense, setting up plays, scoring, passing, rebounding, defense, he is a point-forward anyways, playing PG offensively and Forward defensively just like Magic Johnson, but he starts from SF most of the time hence why he is not listed PG.

you coming into a thread and mentioning lebron? what else is new?

i wonder if you actually have a post without the word lebron in it.

[sh0wtime]

you coming into a thread and mentioning lebron? what else is new?

i wonder if you actually have a post without the word lebron in it.

I dont understand your logic or your point? See the post i made and in which context his name was brought up. I answered the OP's question and gave also more insight on the "ability at PG", ofcourse Lebrons name has to pop up? Wade and Tracy McGrady have full right to be mentioned in this thread in terms of ability at the PG position aswell.

Now that you hate Lebron and hate seeing his name is not my problem, i dont care.

[Clutch]

If I have a solid team and I need a point guard I would pick Deron Williams.

He doesn't have problems with injuries like Chris Paul,I would say he is more complete than Rose (better passer and better shooter with the same strength,maybe a little slower).

I think Chris Paul is a little better than D-Will when he is fully healthy but I wouldn't risk injuries.

So my vote goes to D-Will.

[Pointguard]

If I have a solid team and I need a point guard I would pick Deron Williams.

He doesn't have problems with injuries like Chris Paul,I would say he is more complete than Rose (better passer and better shooter with the same strength,maybe a little slower).

I think Chris Paul is a little better than D-Will when he is fully healthy but I wouldn't risk injuries.

So my vote goes to D-Will.

Is there something wrong with your TV set? Quickness and speed there is no question as to who is faster. DRose is a better long range shooter as well.

Yeah Chris Paul when healthy is a heck of a player.

[Clutch]

Is there something wrong with your TV set? Quickness and speed there is no question as to who is faster. DRose is a better long range shooter as well.

Yeah Chris Paul when healthy is a heck of a player.

Rose is quicker,I didn't say he isn't.
But D-Will isn't slow.

And I would say Williams is a better mid-range shooter while they are pretty much same from the three point line.

Sorry all Bulls fans,I would take D-Will and I stay with my decision.
Right now he is the best point guard in the league.

[Felton]

Raymond Felton

[Warriors fan]

Williams
Rose/Paul

[chips93]

Deron williams
Chris paul
Derrick rose

but its very close

d-will just seems better at picking his spots and doesnt really have any holes in his game

chris paul is the best ball handler, passer and scorer around the rim(floaters, lay-ups), but he looks slower this year, hopefully he gets his full athleticism back

rose is the most athletic and improving all facets of his game and imo will be the best pg next year

[Ikill]

Best pgs
Williams
Paul
Nash/Rose
Rondo
Westbrook

Best players that play point guard
Rose
Williams
Westbrook
Paul
Nash
Rondo

but a healthy Chris Paul is tied with Rose as best player maybe slightly better and he is the best pg.

[Jan95]

I really like DRose`s game, but I think that D-Will and CP3 are still better when they are healthy. He is improving, for sure, and he will probably surpass both of them in about 1-2 years.

[EnoughSaid]

D-Rose. Has the greatest impact on his team.

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

D-Rose. Has the greatest impact on his team.
http://pardonmybias.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/nba_g_paul_576.jpg

Taking a bunch of scrubs to the playoffs:applause: :bowdown:

[Clutch]

Raymond Felton
:D

[Papaya Petee]

Man this is funny, in any other year Rose with his numbers wouldn't even be top 5 in the league in MVP voting, and even now he doesn't deserve MVP.

Russell Westbrook not on the list? Really, him and Rose are almost just as good as each other.

[Pointguard]

Rose is quicker,I didn't say he isn't.
But D-Will isn't slow.

And I would say Williams is a better mid-range shooter while they are pretty much same from the three point line.

Sorry all Bulls fans,I would take D-Will and I stay with my decision.
Right now he is the best point guard in the league.

We root for the same team. At the beginning of the year I had Deron Williams as the best as well. I respect your pick. And yeah, Raymond Felton!!!

[The Choken One]

D-Rose. Has the greatest impact on his team.

Is this serious? Look who he has around him....CP3 easily has the greatest impact on his team.

If I were a GM and got to hand pick my PG I'd go after D-Will.

I'd say Rose/CP3 are basically inter-changeable as the 2nd/3rd best PG's.

[donald_trump]

I dont understand your logic or your point? See the post i made and in which context his name was brought up. I answered the OP's question and gave also more insight on the "ability at PG", ofcourse Lebrons name has to pop up? Wade and Tracy McGrady have full right to be mentioned in this thread in terms of ability at the PG position aswell.

Now that you hate Lebron and hate seeing his name is not my problem, i dont care.

im a heat fan, so no, i dont hate lerbon. you just ride his jock more than anyone ive ever seen.

[MMM]

Best pgs
Williams
Paul
Nash/Rose
Rondo
Westbrook

Best players that play point guard
Rose
Williams
Westbrook
Paul
Nash
Rondo

but a healthy Chris Paul is tied with Rose as best player maybe slightly better and he is the best pg.

Sorry but if you are going to separate PG from player how is Rose ahead of Rondo???? Rondo PG skills are still ahead of Rose's despite Rose improving in that area.

[GiveItToBurrito]

Chris Paul. He's the most efficient, plays with a bunch of scrubs, and he's a pretty good defender. Rose has improved the most on both ends, number two is a toss up between him, DWill, and Nash (not his fault he's playing without any great finishers), with Rondo fifth.

EDIT I forgot about Westbrook, he's up there with Williams, Nash, and Rose, although maybe just a little bit lower. There are a lot of ridiculously good point guards these days EDIT

[Doranku]

1. Chris Paul
2. Deron Williams
3. Derrick Rose
4. Rondo
5. Westbrook

[hkfosho]

1. Chris Paul
2. Deron Williams
3. Derrick Rose
4. Rondo
5. Westbrook

lol wat a joke

1.derrick rose
2. derron williams
3. chris paul
4.westbrook
5. steve nash

[Baby_D]

Curry has gotten no love in this thread. At the beginning of the season people had him in the 6-9 range...guess the dude is slumpin pretty bad

[Doranku]

lol wat a joke

1.derrick rose
2. derron williams
3. chris paul
4.westbrook
5. steve nash

Rose stans. :facepalm

[Rose]

Curry has gotten no love in this thread. At the beginning of the season people had him in the 6-9 range...guess the dude is slumpin pretty bad
I still have him in the 6-9 range. and I love the guy, am I missing something, should I rank him higher?

[blablabla]

Chris Paul

[Eat Like A Bosh]

As much as how much Derrick Rose improved, I still have to pick Chris Paul. He's having a very underrated season, but he's quietly putting up numbers and leading NO back to the playoffs. Best PG still goes to CP3, till someone else proves something big.

[ShaqAttack3234]

Curry has gotten no love in this thread. At the beginning of the season people had him in the 6-9 range...guess the dude is slumpin pretty bad

1.Deron Williams
2.Chris Paul
3.Steve Nash
4.Derrick Rose
5.Russell Westbrook
6.Rajon Rondo
7.Tony Parker

Those guys are definitely above Curry, but he's roughly in the same class as Felton and Billups. So I'd put Curry in the 8-10 range.

[Bandito]

Carlos Arroyo is the best point guard in the league hands down.

[kaiiu]

Carlos Arroyo is the best point guard in the league hands down.

Pee Wee league..........MAYBE

[jasonresno]

Rose stans. :facepalm
Yeah, all these people on ESPN and SI and NBA.com and all of these forums are all just Rose stans. Curse them!

[Doranku]

1.Deron Williams
2.Chris Paul
3.Steve Nash
4.Derrick Rose
5.Russell Westbrook
6.Rajon Rondo
7.Tony Parker

Those guys are definitely above Curry, but he's roughly in the same class as Felton and Billups. So I'd put Curry in the 8-10 range.

I can understand Williams > Paul and Westbrook > Rondo, but what's your reasoning for Nash > Rose?

[branslowski]

How anyone can put a point Guard ahead of D-Will is quite amazing.:oldlol:

1. D-Will

2. Chris Paul
3. Derrick Rose
4. Rondo
5. Westbrook


Again, can anyone explain to me what makes point gaurds like Rose, Westbrook, Rondo, exc.. Better than Williams?

[Doranku]

Yeah, all these people on ESPN and SI and NBA.com and all of these forums are all just Rose stans. Curse them!

I can see an argument for Rose as the best PG, but the guy was acting like I was an idiot for having Chris Paul and Deron above him. It's definitely not that clear-cut, imo.

[Doranku]

How anyone can put a point Guard ahead of D-Will is quite amazing.:oldlol:

1. D-Will

2. Chris Paul
3. Derrick Rose
4. Rondo
5. Westbrook


Again, can anyone explain to me what makes point gaurds like Rose, Westbrook, Rondo, exc.. Better than Williams?

IMO, Williams and Paul are neck-in-neck. I gave Paul the nod because he's doing more with less so far this season. Like I said, though, can't go wrong either way.

[branslowski]

IMO, Williams and Paul are neck-in-neck. I gave Paul the nod because he's doing more with less so far this season. Like I said, though, can't go wrong either way.

True. But with me in ranking them...

D-Will is a better outside shooter than Paul IMO...
Even Ball handling
D-Will is the better scorer
Even Passing skills
Both sick crossovers

D-Will is the better man to man defender, Bigger...CP3 is better at passing lane steals.

D-Will also owns the shit out of Paul head to head.

Yeah, it can go either way, but I'd give it to D-Will.

Same shit with D-Will vs Rose...Rose is probably having a better stat year, leading his team to wins and such, good shit...But I think D-Will is better....

The fact that D-Will seems to me to be the most OVERALL balanced PG in the game, along with mad skills just tips his scale ahead of others...With Rose, Westbrook, and Rondo, you see a clear outside shooting weakness going on...While D-Will is far greater in this area. They all are explosive, can crossover, defend, exc....But the offence pushes D-Will over.

But Nash is the better offensive PG than D-Will....But not by alot, D-Will is still a dominant offensive player, and plays BY FAR greater defense than Nash.

[jasonresno]

True. But with me in ranking them...

D-Will is a better outside shooter than Paul IMO...
Even Ball handling
D-Will is the better scorer
Even Passing skills
Both sick crossovers

D-Will is the better man to man defender, Bigger...CP3 is better at passing lane steals.

D-Will also owns the shit out of Paul head to head.

Yeah, it can go either way, but I'd give it to D-Will.

Same shit with D-Will vs Rose...Rose is probably having a better stat year, leading his team to wins and such, good shit...But I think D-Will is better....

The fact that D-Will seems to me to be the most OVERALL balanced PG in the game, along with mad skills just tips his scale ahead of others...With Rose, Westbrook, and Rondo, you see a clear outside shooting weakness going on...While D-Will is far greater in this area. They all are explosive, can crossover, defend, exc....But the offence pushes D-Will over.

But Nash is the better offensive PG than D-Will....But not by alot, D-Will is still a dominant offensive player, and plays BY FAR greater defense than Nash.
:wtf:
Deron Williams 3P: 36%
Derrick Rose 3p: 38%

Rondo and Westbrook blow from 3, I'll agree with that.

[StateOfMind12]

D-Will is the better man to man defender, Bigger...CP3 is better at passing lane steals.

You just convinced me right there you don't watch Chris Paul play.

[MMM]

:wtf:
Deron Williams 3P: 36%
Derrick Rose 3p: 38%

Rondo and Westbrook blow from 3, I'll agree with that.

Deron Williams shooting is much better than Rose's. There are out side shots that aren't 3's and it is where Williams has an advantage.

[jasonresno]

Deron Williams shooting is much better than Rose's. There are out side shots that aren't 3's and it is where Williams has an advantage.
D-Will has an advantage shooting the least efficient shot in the game?

I'll take Roses ability to penetrate over being good at shots right inside of the 3pt line.

Otherwise, statistically, Rose is the better 3pt shooter (if that's what Bronslowski meant by outside shots).

[Rose]

Deron Williams shooting is much better than Rose's. There are out side shots that aren't 3's and it is where Williams has an advantage.
I wouldn't say much better, he only beats rose at the <10, and 10-15 by 1% each, and 16-23 is 8%, so from long 2 yeah it's much butter, but overall it's not a lot.

[kaiiu]

True. But with me in ranking them...

D-Will is a better outside shooter than Paul IMO...
Even Ball handling
D-Will is the better scorer
Even Passing skills
Both sick crossovers

D-Will is the better man to man defender, Bigger...CP3 is better at passing lane steals.

D-Will also owns the shit out of Paul head to head.

Yeah, it can go either way, but I'd give it to D-Will.

Same shit with D-Will vs Rose...Rose is probably having a better stat year, leading his team to wins and such, good shit...But I think D-Will is better....

The fact that D-Will seems to me to be the most OVERALL balanced PG in the game, along with mad skills just tips his scale ahead of others...With Rose, Westbrook, and Rondo, you see a clear outside shooting weakness going on...While D-Will is far greater in this area. They all are explosive, can crossover, defend, exc....But the offence pushes D-Will over.

But Nash is the better offensive PG than D-Will....But not by alot, D-Will is still a dominant offensive player, and plays BY FAR greater defense than Nash.


Good post couldn't agree more

[ShaqAttack3234]

I can understand Williams > Paul and Westbrook > Rondo, but what's your reasoning for Nash > Rose?

Nash is a superior passer and a top 3 shooter in the league. Nash really hasn't declined much from his peak years, his cast has just declined.

[MMM]

D-Will has an advantage shooting the least efficient shot in the game?

I'll take Roses ability to penetrate over being good at shots right inside of the 3pt line.

Otherwise, statistically, Rose is the better 3pt shooter (if that's what Bronslowski meant by outside shots).

Deron's ability to drive isn't as far off of in comparison with overall perimeter shooting between the 2.

Williams shoots the 3 nearly as well as Rose this season and has had season in the past where he has shot it better compared to Rose who has gone through 40-50 games shooting the 3 ball well.

[jasonresno]

Nash is a superior passer and a top 3 shooter in the league. Nash really hasn't declined much from his peak years, his cast has just declined.
I was watching Nash dissect the Celtics last time they played and, honestly, if you didn't look at who he was playing with and didn't know the year... you couldn't tell he was playing any worse than his MVP years. His game is holding up real nice.

[jasonresno]

Deron's ability to drive isn't as far off of in comparison with overall perimeter shooting between the 2.

Williams shoots the 3 nearly as well as Rose this season and has had season in the past where he has shot it better compared to Rose who has gone through 40-50 games shooting the 3 ball well.
Exactly. It appears that Rose is increasing his ability whereas D-Will is peaking.
:cheers:

[allabouthawks]

rondo just beacuse i feel point guards should be running the game not winning the game

[MMM]

Exactly. It appears that Rose is increasing his ability whereas D-Will is peaking.
:cheers:

Rose is increasing his ability but 3 point numbers fluctuate from year to year so why should I take 40-50 games over 2-3 seasons of solid shooting???

for example.

Paul Pierce went from
41% as a rookie to
34% in his 2nd year
38% than
40 % followed by
2 season of 30 % from the arc

another example would be how Rose was one of the better mid range shooters a season ago to him being less effective this season.

[MMM]

rondo just beacuse i feel point guards should be running the game not winning the game

I don't understand the not winning the game part of your post. I would think you would want any player from any position that won you the game.

[Rose]

Rose is increasing his ability but 3 point numbers fluctuate from year to year so why should I take 40-50 games over 2-3 seasons of solid shooting???

for example.

Paul Pierce went from
41% as a rookie to
34% in his 2nd year
38% than
40 % followed by
2 season of 30 % from the arc

another example would be how Rose was one of the better mid range shooters a season ago to him being less effective this season.
Just for the record, not trying to steer this off topic or anything. But volume is partially the reason for 3 fluctuations I've noticed. Look at Bird and Jordan's best 3 years (obviously Jordan's coincide with the reduced line but still) They shot the best 3% the years they shot the most.

[ChiCity]

Derrick Rose: 25/5/8 | 45% shooting | 1 spg
Deron Williams: 22/4/9 | 47% shooting | 1 spg
Chris Paul: 17/4/10 | 49% shooting | 3 spg
Rajon Rondo: 11/5/13 | 52% shooting | 2 spg
Steve Nash: 17/4/11 | 53% shooting | 1 spg

Rose is an MVP candidate this year, but I think Chris Paul is having a very underrated season. Deron Williams has very few weaknesses in his game. Rajon Rondo is probably the best defender out of all those Point Guards, but he still lacks an outside shot. Meanwhile Steve Nash will be 37 years old in a couple of days & it amazes me he is still playing at this level. Who you got?
it ain't all about stats
d rose and cp3 have the biggest impact on their teams imo
so one of them
you could say d will too but i dont rate him over rose or cp3
so
1. rose/cp3
2. dwill
3. rondo

[jasonresno]

Rose is increasing his ability but 3 point numbers fluctuate from year to year so why should I take 40-50 games over 2-3 seasons of solid shooting???

for example.

Paul Pierce went from
41% as a rookie to
34% in his 2nd year
38% than
40 % followed by
2 season of 30 % from the arc

another example would be how Rose was one of the better mid range shooters a season ago to him being less effective this season.
Judging this season going forward, right now, Rose is the better shooter from beyond the arc. The reason his FG% dipped, too, was because of the multiple ulcers and the fact that he's had to take more shots per game than in years prior. So that doesn't work for me as an argument.

[MMM]

Judging this season going forward, right now, Rose is the better shooter from beyond the arc. The reason his FG% dipped, too, was because of the multiple ulcers and the fact that he's had to take more shots per game than in years prior. So that doesn't work for me as an argument.

I'm not sure how you can project that with only 50 games of evidence of support but I guess we'll wait and see.

[jasonresno]

I'm not sure how you can project that with only 50 games of evidence of support but I guess we'll wait and see.
50 games isn't a small sample so it's not like in the next 30+ games his % is going to drop dramatically. If anything, getting healthier, it'll probably go up. And, at this point at least, he is the better 3pt shooter. Not by alot, but there it is.

[branslowski]

Judging this season going forward, right now, Rose is the better shooter from beyond the arc. The reason his FG% dipped, too, was because of the multiple ulcers and the fact that he's had to take more shots per game than in years prior. So that doesn't work for me as an argument.

You really think Rose is a better outside shooting than Williams?...Really?...Wow.

[jasonresno]

You really think Rose is a better outside shooting than Williams?...Really?...Wow.
It's not about opinion. This year, from 3, he IS.

[MMM]

It's not about opinion. This year, from 3, he IS.

Yea but you are using a 2 % difference this season to say Rose is going to be better going forward.

[Pointguard]

Another thing I put in favor of Rose is that he is in attack mode all the time (Westbrook keeps teams on their heels as well). He's just more aggressive. And he's deadly 24 feet and in. Plus defensese are designed to go at him - its plan A and B. If he had more of option offense with a lot of movement off the ball or guys grabbing alleyoops or good jump shooters his assist numbers would be top 3.

I agree Deron doesn't have a weakness. But Rose is about his strengths.

[lilojmayo]

Derrick Rose

[sh0wtime]

im a heat fan, so no, i dont hate lerbon. you just ride his jock more than anyone ive ever seen.

Hm.. let me dumb down myself to your level, maybe i can be understood.

I'm first and foremost a "basketball jock rider", i ride also "kobes, wades, dwights, cp3s, derons, kidds, nashs, griffin and so on and so on and so ons jock", but i try to be as objective, intellectual, unbiased, mature as i can in this "insidejockingforum" while i "jock" about basketball and "jock" about the best players in the NBA and "jock" on threads where their names are supposed to "jock up" while i have to still be as patient/respectfull/mature as possible considering i take constantly stupid insults from real "jockriders" like you for something your level of braincells and "jockridingness" couldnt comprehend.

Happy? I mean Jocky?

[Rose]

Hm.. let me dumb down myself to your level, maybe i can be understood.

I'm first and foremost a "basketball jock rider", i ride also "kobes, wades, dwights, cp3s, derons, kidds, nashs, griffin and so on and so on and so ons jock", but i try to be as objective, intellectual, unbiased, mature as i can in this "insidejockingforum" while i "jock" about basketball and "jock" about the best players in the NBA and "jock" on threads where their names are supposed to "jock up" while i have to still be as patient/respectfull/mature as possible considering i take constantly stupid insults from real "jockriders" like you for something your level of braincells and "jockridingness" couldnt comprehend.

Happy? I mean Jocky?
:roll: :roll: :roll:

you're gold sometimes I swear.THIS. this is why I like you.

[jasonresno]

Yea but you are using a 2 % difference this season to say Rose is going to be better going forward.
You yourself said D-Will isn't as good this year as he was last year. Rose is astronomically better. It's all about trends, bro.

[Z0mgZ0rs]

As far as who would I want to run my team:
1. Chris Paul
2. Steve Nash
3. Derrick Rose
4. Deron Williams
5. Russell Westbrook
6. Rajon Rondo
7. Tony Parker
8. Raymond Felton
9. Stephen Curry
Rest: DJ Augustin, Chauncey Billups, Brandon Jennings, Gilbert Arenas, etc.

The only reason I have Gilbert in here is that he might still have some star power in him. He's still about 2 years from reaching T-Mac's status, so he could turn it around and become a solid 17/9 guy, or something like that.

[TrueRob]

1. Deron Williams
2. Chris Paul
3. Derrick Rose
4. Russell Westbrook
5. Tony Parker

[MMM]

You yourself said D-Will isn't as good this year as he was last year. Rose is astronomically better. It's all about trends, bro.

No I said % fluctuate from year to year so just because Rose is shooting 2% better it doesn't necessarily mean that through the next few years he will be the better 3 point shooter.

[Jacks3]

Nash is still the best imo. The goal of the PG is to elevate the teams offense and nobody does that better than Nash, which is why the Suns have a top 5 offense in the league even after losing Amare. Rose's Bulls on the other hand have the 18th rated offense...and he has the better supporting cast.

17/11/64% TS is insane.

[jasonresno]

No I said % fluctuate from year to year so just because Rose is shooting 2% better it doesn't necessarily mean that through the next few years he will be the better 3 point shooter.
And what I'm saying is that last year Rose wasn't even a three point shooter. His % was so bad it's not even worth bring up. This is the first year he's utilized the shot. He isn't peaking with his 3pt shot. You know around what you're getting out of Deron. Rose is already putting up better 3pt % than D-Will and what I'm saying is with continued usage and practice it'll PROBABLY get better.

[jasonresno]

Nash is still the best imo. The goal of the PG is to elevate the teams offense and nobody does that better than Nash, which is why the Suns have a top 5 offense in the league even after losing Amare. Rose's Bulls on the other hand have the 18th rated offense...and he has the better supporting cast.

17/11/64% TS is insane.
I'd absolutely agree with you if that elevated offense could translate to wins. And of course the fact that PHX doesn't play defense can't be blamed on Nash and at the same time you can't blame Rose for not having players that consistently finish for him. Though they're getting better.

They're just two entirely different styles and two entirely different players within the context of their team.

Steve Nash is impossible to hate and one of my favorite players to ever play the game.

[Jacks3]

Dude, the fact that they're even near .500 is a testament to Nah. This year they've been the worst rebounding team in the league AND the worst defensively. Only reason they might make the playoffs is because of their elite offense, which is all Nash. I just don't see Rose or anybody else not named CP3 having such a huge impact.

1. Nash
2. CP3
3. Rose
4. D-Will
5.Westbrook

[sh0wtime]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

you're gold sometimes I swear.THIS. this is why I like you.

:cheers: Unfortunately that got me some negs, but it was worth it. :D

[Jasper]

D-Will is my fav PG

But when I watch Nash , numbers are amazing for the minutes played , and how he impacts a game -- -- he really is amazing.

Any opportunity you can watch him play do it ...
he doesn't hav much left in the tank ,,, appreciate him while you can

jasper

[PullupJay]

1)chris paul
2)Deron williams
3)derik rose
4)steve nash
5)russel westbrook