lowest draft pick to win an MVP?

[KG5MVP]

Who's the lowest draft pick to have won an MVP? I think it's Steve Nash, 15th pick, won 2 MVPs.

[jasonresno]

Can't you just google this shit?

[Rose]

And you would be correct sir.

[Harison]

I love Nash, but he hardly deserved those MVPs.

[O BaByShaQ]

I love Nash, but he hardly deserved those MVPs.

This def could of just been googled and to ^, Nash may not of deserved the MVP's via stats but it is the most VALUABLE player award and he was def the most valuable both seasons + he deserved to have 3 in a row.

[G.O.A.T]

This def could of just been googled and to ^, Nash may not of deserved the MVP's via stats but it is the most VALUABLE player award and he was def the most valuable both seasons + he deserved to have 3 in a row.

How valuable can he be if his team never even made the Finals?

It's not as if they were short on talent...

Nor can you convince me he was as important to Phoenix as Kobe was to LA in '06. Or Shaq was to Miami in '05.

[Simple Jack]

How valuable can he be if his team never even made the Finals?

It's not as if they were short on talent...

Nor can you convince me he was as important to Phoenix as Kobe was to LA in '06. Or Shaq was to Miami in '05.


Phoenix Suns 03-04 (29-53)

Phoenix Suns 04-05 (62-20)

LeBron didn't make the Finals these last 2 years but it's pretty hard to argue that he didn't deserve them. You shouldn't use post-season success as a gauge for a regular season award

[Harison]

This def could of just been googled and to ^, Nash may not of deserved the MVP's via stats but it is the most VALUABLE player award and he was def the most valuable both seasons + he deserved to have 3 in a row.
And how exactly Nash was the most valuable? He was great, but there were far more valuable players, like KG and TD, because they were elite both sides of the floor. Purely offensively I would have taken Shaq and Dirk, even Lebron over Nash.

[NoName22]

Phoenix Suns 03-04 (29-53)

Phoenix Suns 04-05 (62-20)

I'm not saying Nash didn't make the team better but there were other factors that helped the Suns turn around.

[LA_Showtime]

Phoenix Suns 03-04 (29-53)

Phoenix Suns 04-05 (62-20)

LeBron didn't make the Finals these last 2 years but it's pretty hard to argue that he didn't deserve them. You shouldn't use post-season success as a gauge for a regular season award

Nash is a great player no doubt, but you'll never be able to convince me he should've won two MVP's. That's some pretty steep company right there. He simply doesn't belong in the same tier as the other guys who won multiple times.

[Simple Jack]

Nash is a great player no doubt, but you'll never be able to convince me he should've won two MVP's. That's some pretty steep company right there. He simply doesn't belong in the same tier as the other guys who won multiple times.

What he did that season warrants it. You simply can't ignore a turnaround like that franchise had with plenty of common players on both teams. You took out Marbury (an already good PG at the time) and added Nash and saw a 30+ game increase in the win column. It was a unique situation, but to discount his accomplishment solely because players in the past who did the same were BETTER is unfair.

[midatlantic09]

Had Nash been Black, he wouldn't even have one MVP award.

[PurpleChuck]

Had Nash been Black, he wouldn't even have one MVP award.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_2j4oU6meCoY/SIcSdUT9U8I/AAAAAAAAEm0/ohkVZvXYtdE/s400/0_funny_oh_no_you_didnt.gif

[I'm Seriously]

Had Nash been Black, he wouldn't even have one MVP award.

Had Nash been black he would be conisdered a good defender.

See, I can ignorantly play the race card also.

[O BaByShaQ]

Phoenix Suns 03-04 (29-53)

Phoenix Suns 04-05 (62-20)

LeBron didn't make the Finals these last 2 years but it's pretty hard to argue that he didn't deserve them. You shouldn't use post-season success as a gauge for a regular season award

Exactly. And "pure" offense is only a small factor in the equation of valuable and I don't know how I would explain "valuable" but the style of ball he was playin over those years made him the most valuable basketball player for a team in the NBA

[Showtime]

Phoenix Suns 03-04 (29-53)

Phoenix Suns 04-05 (62-20)

LeBron didn't make the Finals these last 2 years but it's pretty hard to argue that he didn't deserve them. You shouldn't use post-season success as a gauge for a regular season award
Way to totally ignore the factors of the improvement other than Nash.

[step_back]

He didn't deserve his 2nd MVP Award.

WHAT!!!!!

If anything he deserved his 2nd MVP award even more than the 1st. Amar'e was out the entire year with a microfracture and Nash still led them to a winning record with Shawn Marion as the 2nd best player on that roster.

People really have no idea what an MVP is around here. An MVP DOES NOT have to be the leagues best player.

[Cermet]

How valuable can he be if his team never even made the Finals?

It's not as if they were short on talent...

Nor can you convince me he was as important to Phoenix as Kobe was to LA in '06. Or Shaq was to Miami in '05.


MVP is a SEASON award. And the FINALS are in the PLAYOFFS you stupid c#nt...:facepalm

[blablabla]

Karl Malone was the 13th pick also pretty low for an MVP

[NauruDude]

whaat abbout Landry Fields maybe win MVP in 2017???

[blablabla]

mozgod is getting it in 2017 30-20

[NauruDude]

mozgod is getting it in 2017 30-20

*Mozgov meybe

[G.O.A.T]

Phoenix Suns 03-04 (29-53)

Phoenix Suns 04-05 (62-20)

LeBron didn't make the Finals these last 2 years but it's pretty hard to argue that he didn't deserve them. You shouldn't use post-season success as a gauge for a regular season award

I'd say that him quitting in the 2010 playoffs makes his case for the award much more shaky. And though i understand your point, Nash, unlike LeBron was not in the conversation for best player in the league, only most valuable. And in addition, James has taken his team to the Finals, Nash never had before during or after his MVP seasons.

I'm not saying he wasn't valuable, just that there is only so much value in regular season wins.

[strike]

Can't you just google this shit?
:lol

exactly. thats what the damm internet is for

[Kblaze8855]

You simply can't ignore a turnaround like that franchise had with plenty of common players on both teams

12 people from the 04 team were not on the 05 team and Amare missed most of the start of the season.


Besides...Dirk won 58 games with half the talent Nash had in 05. Old finley, Stackhouse, Howard before he broke out, Terry who at the time was doing 12/4, and 20 something games of Vanhorn. Vs Amare, Marion, Joe Johnson, Barbosa(before he really broke out as well), and Qrich(was doing 17/6 on the Clippers the year before).

I wouldnt trade Amare alone(this is 38ppg vs the spurs Amare) for Howard and Terry. And I wouldnt trade Marion as he was then for old Finley and Stackhouse. Which still leavs the Suns with Joe Johnson...

Nash had a lot more talent and won 3-4 more games. Dirk was just as valuable or more so that season. Nash served him up in the playoffs...but if we are doing the "Ignore the playoffs" thing to set aside the fact that Nash is the only MVP to never play a finals game...hard to bring up the 05 playoffs isnt it?

[G.O.A.T]

MVP is a SEASON award. And the FINALS are in the PLAYOFFS you stupid c#nt...:facepalm

That's not the point.

Why has every single other MVP been the NBA Finals though?

[Simple Jack]

I'd say that him quitting in the 2010 playoffs makes his case for the award much more shaky. And though i understand your point, Nash, unlike LeBron was not in the conversation for best player in the league, only most valuable. And in addition, James has taken his team to the Finals, Nash never had before during or after his MVP seasons.

I'm not saying he wasn't valuable, just that there is only so much value in regular season wins.

Previous or future accomplishments shouldn't factor into it. It'a a single season award, FOR the regular season. As much as it probably should go to the best player in the league, that isn't and hasn't always been the case throughout history. I'm sure you know this.

[Simple Jack]

12 people from the 04 team were not on the 05 team and Amare missed most of the start of the season.


Besides...Dirk won 58 games with half the talent Nash had in 05. Old finley, Stackhouse, Howard before he broke out, Terry who at the time was doing 12/4, and 20 something games of Vanhorn. Vs Amare, Marion, Joe Johnson, Barbosa(before he really broke out as well), and Qrich(was doing 17/6 on the Clippers the year before).

I wouldnt trade Amare alone(this is 38ppg vs the spurs Amare) for Howard and Terry. And I wouldnt trade Marion as he was then for old Finley and Stackhouse. Which still leavs the Suns with Joe Johnson...

Nash had a lot more talent and won 3-4 more games. Dirk was just as valuable or more so that season. Nash served him up in the playoffs...but if we are doing the "Ignore the playoffs" thing to set aside the fact that Nash is the only MVP to never play a finals game...hard to bring up the 05 playoffs isnt it?

Amare/JJ/Marion/Barbosa were on the team. Amare played what, 3 games in 06? They still finished 54-28.

That isn't to say Dirk didn't deserve it, or shouldn't have gotten consideration. But too many people let Nash's achievement with that team go unnoticed. He was an integral part to their success and should be recognized as such.

[Fatal9]

Suns '04-'07 with Nash: 173-57 (.752)
Suns '04-'07 without Nash: 4-12 (.250)
Suns '04-'07 without Amare: 54-27 (.667)

They had a good replacement in Barbosa to back up Nash as well.

Dude had some of the GOAT offensive impact on his teams (which is what those Suns teams were built on). Look at the teams who were the highest above the league offensive rating average in the last 30 years (taken from someone else's post):



Rk Team Year Ortg AL PG
1. Dallas Mavericks 2004 112.1 9.2 Nash
2. Phoenix Suns 2005 114.5 8.4 Nash
3. Phoenix Suns 2010 115.3 7.7 Nash
4. Chicago Bulls 1997 114.4 7.7
5. Utah Jazz 1998 112.7 7.7 Stockton
6. Dallas Mavericks 2002 112.2 7.7 Nash
7. Chicago Bulls 1996 115.2 7.6
8. Boston Celtics 1988 115.4 7.4
9. Phoenix Suns 2007 113.9 7.4 Nash
10. Denver Nuggets 1982 114.3 7.4
11. Sacramento Kings 2004 110.3 7.4
12. Los Angeles Lakers 1987 115.6 7.3 Magic
13. Chicago Bulls 1992 115.5 7.3
14. Dallas Mavericks 2003 110.7 7.1 Nash
15. Los Angeles Lakers 1998 111.9 6.9


Notice a trend? Definitely MVP type of impact there, especially considering that he was at the center of such a huge turnaround. In the games Nash missed during that time btw, the Phoenix offense slipped from one of the best ever to below the league average (in the bottom 10).

[Cermet]

That's not the point.

Why has every single other MVP been the NBA Finals though?

I don't know bad luck or something, I mean cmon are we going to act like Nash didn't play with ONE EYE dropping 3s and dimes that lead to a crucial victory against the Spurs, yes with one eye! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2UhjrJkof8

Nash always did great in the playoffs , his stats rarely dropped. Some players are just in bacd luck or don't have enough support or just not enough RIGHT pieces around them.

Suns are a super fast paced team all about offense, atleast was. ANd playoffs are all about defense. That why Nash never won a ring or been to the finals.

[KevinNYC]

If anything he deserved his 2nd MVP award even more than the 1st.

Without looking at other players, I just searched for the reports at the time of why Nash won the MVP awards. Some pretty good evidence

1st MVP.
Article arguing for Nash during the season. Gives a good summary of why he won.
http://www.nba.com/suns/news/tribune_mvp_050220.html

[QUOTE]The honor is supposed to go to the NBA