a question about Quentin Tarentino's character in Pulp Fiction

[Riddler]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihH_-O7ev2o

So he's obviously more gangsta, or has more power than Jules and Vincent right?

Because White people really aren't allowed to use the N-Word... even if
a black guy brings another dead black into your kitchen... you're still
not allowed to use the N-Word... Samuel L. Jackson would of beaten his
@ss in real life... that is unless of coarse Jimmy is better friends
with Marcelous Wallace.

So this Jimmy guy has more power than Jules & Vincent?


And it makes me wonder how black folks in Hollywood feel about his use of the N-Word,
because it's obvious that Quentin Tarentino casted himself just so he could say the word
as loud as he possibly could in front of an audience...

It would be funny if a guy like Eminem was playing that role.

or even better Mel Gibson.





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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdy0HeZtlqw&feature=related

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[RedBlackAttack]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihH_-O7ev2o

So he's obviously more gangsta, or has more power than Jules and Vincent right?

Because White people really aren't allowed to use the N-Word... even if
a black guy brings another dead black into your kitchen... you're still
not allowed to use the N-Word... Samuel L. Jackson would of beaten his
@ss in real life... that is unless of coarse Jimmy is better friends
with Marcelous Wallace.

So this Jimmy guy has more power than Jules & Vincent?


And it makes me wonder how black folks in Hollywood feel about his use of the N-Word,
because it's obvious that Quentin Tarentino casted himself just so he could say the word
as loud as he possibly could in front of an audience...

It would be funny if a guy like Eminem was playing that role.

or even better Mel Gibson.


I think he was just really good friends with Jules. I don't think he was supposed to have any particular power outside of that.

And, Tarantino took a good amount of heat for his use of the word. There were a lot of people up in arms, in fact. I remember Spike Lee being very outspoken in his critique of Tarantino's decision to use it so casually.

[Riddler]

I think he was just really good friends with Jules. I don't think he was supposed to have any particular power outside of that.

And, Tarantino took a good amount of heat for his use of the word. There were a lot of people up in arms, in fact. I remember Spike Lee being very outspoken in his critique of Tarantino's decision to use it so casually.


that doesn't surprise me about Spike Lee... but I didn't know Quentin Tarantino caught any heat for the use of the word... I thought he had gotten a free pass because the joke was funny and movie was so great.

and man... I'm friends with a few black guys and I've tried to get away with using the word before... but even then, your just not allowed to say it.
So Jules and Jimmy must of been best friends from elementary if that's the case.

[PHX_Phan]

I highly doubt Tarantino created a character for himself, as he usually does, just so he could 'get away' with saying it in a movie.

[RedBlackAttack]

that doesn't surprise me about Spike Lee... but I didn't know Quentin Tarantino caught any heat for the use of the word... I thought he had gotten a free pass because the joke was funny and movie was so great.

and man... I'm friends with a few black guys and I've tried to get away with using the word before... but even then, your just not allowed to say it.
So Jules and Jimmy must of been best friends from elementary if that's the case.
I always viewed it as they were childhood friends. But, I hear you... Two of my absolute best friends in the world are black and I would never use the word. That doesn't just include when they are in my presence... I hate that word and it simply is not in my vocabulary. The mood would never strike me to say it.

I've been in the company of white people who used it on quite a few occasions and it has always made me extremely uncomfortable. I feel like it is my responsibility to rebuff them and, if I don't, it is like a slap in the face to my buddies that I have known all my life.

Seriously... F#ck that word.

[iamgine]

You know why Jimmy's allowed to say n!gga in front of Jules? Cause he married a black woman and really loved her. Which proved to Jules that he had nothing against black people when he said n!gga.

[strifed169]

You know why Jimmy's allowed to say n!gga in front of Jules? Cause he married a black woman and really loved her. Which proved to Jules that he had nothing against black people when he said n!gga.

was his wife really black? i remember only seeing her backside, i don't recall seeing the tone of her skin though

[Riddler]

was his wife really black? i remember only seeing her backside, i don't recall seeing the tone of her skin though


I kind of thought that she was Hispanic but she could of easily been black.

good eye iamgine... I didn't think of that... being married to a black chick does make a difference.

[YouCallILose]

people get caught up in the meaning of the word. in general slang, it refers to the gang banging, trashy type of black person. kind of how white trash/redneck refers to a specific type of white person.

im not advocating use of the word, just explaining the context of which it is used. people who say it generally dont consider all black people the N word. only those that are the black equivalent of white trash

[YAWN]

i think it is to be assumed that they had a very tight relationship given Jules felt comfortable bringing in a car with a brains and blood all over the back seat.

and she could be black:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9ANL8L8RG0#t=1m00s

[Riddler]

i think it is to be assumed that they had a very tight relationship given Jules felt comfortable bringing in a car with a brains and blood all over the back seat.

and she could be black:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9ANL8L8RG0#t=1m00s



Yea but in their little personal mafia clic it could be possible that Jimmy
is a bad@ss and way above Jules & Vincent when it comes to the power structure of that family tree.

Marcellus Wallace is obviously the crime boss and could be tighter with Jimmy.
That's why he was able to use the word so casually... but your right... it's more like him and Jules were just close friends.

[1987_Lakers]

You know why Jimmy's allowed to say n!gga in front of Jules? Cause he married a black woman and really loved her. Which proved to Jules that he had nothing against black people when he said n!gga.

This. Also Jules did bring a headless man into his house & he understands Jimmy is his last hope of solving "The Bonnie Situation" so he lets it slide.

[Riddler]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdy0HeZtlqw&feature=related

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[Da KO King]

First, Quentin Tarantino is the most over-rated director/writer in Hollywood. His buddy Robert Rodriquez gets the silver medal.

Second, Tarantino is an attention-wh**e so I can pretty much guarantee he mentally cast himself in that role as soon as he wrote the dialog.

Third, Spike Lee did not criticize Tarantino for his use of the word in "Pulp Fiction." Lee criticized Tarantino during the release of "Jackie Brown". Lee felt Tarantino seemed to be obsessed with using the word in his films.

Last, it has nothing at all to do with friendship, familiarity, or his wife. Jimmy is higher up the ladder than they are. That's why they came to him for help, that's why he can be as condescending as he was toward them. When a lower rung guy whacks a higher up there are only two outcomes: lower guy becomes a boss or lower guy gets whacked. Now honestly do you see Jules being a boss anytime soon?

[JohnnySic]

It was a typically lame QT character, trying too hard to be cool and edgy. Throws the N word around like its for free, but he's married to a black woman? How does that make any sense? And he tries to come across as tough but he looks like a gerbil? Epic Fail of cosmic proportions.



First, Quentin Tarantino is the most over-rated director/writer in Hollywood. His buddy Robert Rodriquez gets the silver medal.
+1

[DeronMillsap]

Wasn't the black wife also a relative of Jules?

[kaiiu]

"A Gucci Tarentino or just call me Young Quentin "

[iamgine]

Whoa, some people really don't like Tarantino. :lol

[bluechox2]

hard-nosed badass

[markymark]

Why are people going apesh*t over that scene? It was a barrel of laughs! If I was black, I wouldn't have been offended AT ALL.

Also, he wasn't originally supposed to play that role. He was supposed to be the pusher dude, but decided he needed to direct the Uma OD scene himself.

[JohnnySic]

hard-nosed badass
More like a dork's fantasy of being a hard-nosed badass.

[ROCSteady]

That scene is golden. The writing is classic. I hate bigotry but I never took offense to that scene. Tarantino is simply someone who explores the ridiculous imagination of everyday sh!t. I don't view it as a threat

[fos]

It was a typically lame QT character, trying too hard to be cool and edgy. Throws the N word around like its for free, but he's married to a black woman? How does that make any sense? And he tries to come across as tough but he looks like a gerbil? Epic Fail of cosmic proportions.


+1

Tarantino can never be overrated, Pulp Fiction is a top 10 movie all-time and he'll probably never top it, but he can make 10 Garfield movies and it still doesn't diminish his accomplishment. Reservoir Dogs is ok but outside of it and Pulp Fiction I don't care for Tarantino's movies, but like I said Pulp Fiction is THAT good.

[ROCSteady]

Kill Bill Vol. 2 is amazing to me. Great storytelling

[Take Your Lumps]

OP's gratuitous use of the "N-Word" immediately brought this to mind:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dF1NUposXVQ

[JohnnySic]

Tarantino can never be overrated, Pulp Fiction is a top 10 movie all-time and he'll probably never top it, but he can make 10 Garfield movies and it still doesn't diminish his accomplishment. Reservoir Dogs is ok but outside of it and Pulp Fiction I don't care for Tarantino's movies, but like I said Pulp Fiction is THAT good.
I never got the hoopla with Pulp Fiction.

I find his movies amusing for a few watches. After that, the over-the-top characters and zany dialog becomes stale.

[Riddler]

OP's gratuitous use of the "N-Word" immediately brought this to mind:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dF1NUposXVQ




The one time white ppl can say n!gger
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63M34s8afbo&feature=related

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[Hotlantadude81]

I never got the hoopla with Pulp Fiction.

I find his movies amusing for a few watches. After that, the over-the-top characters and zany dialog becomes stale.

I like Jackie Brown the best. The characters are more than just stylized IMO. The friendship between Max Cherry and Jackie really gives the film a little more substance than what we see in his other movies.

[JohnnySic]

I like Jackie Brown the best. The characters are more than just stylized IMO. The friendship between Max Cherry and Jackie really gives the film a little more substance than what we see in his other movies.
Completely agree, its my favorite too. JB is his one movie that is (somewhat) grounded in reality rather than being a fleshed-out cartoon.

[Stuckey]

QT is a person that believes words only have power if you give it power

a racist word evokes emotion and reaction, which is what a writer like him desires from the dialogue

i say use it wisely, but QT does use it tactfully and shouldn't worry, if his character is racist then so be it

i like the scene in R dogs where mr pink says "you guys are acting like a bunch of ni9ggers"

knowing that QT is not a racist himself, i'm fine with it, stereotypes about race shouldn't be considered racist

[Riddler]

So I was watching the video in this thread a few days ago...


The 100 Greatest Movie Insults of All Time
http://insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=255591


And then I realized QT must have wrote that Dennis Hopper scene in True Romance... RIGHT?

Can't wait to hear Leonardo DiCaprio (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1853728/) say the word! :applause:

That's gonna be Awesome!!!


http://i613.photobucket.com/albums/tt216/Doomsday2036/Screenshot2012-03-15at95424AM.png

N!GGER!!!

[Riddler]

And BTW....



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdy0HeZtlqw&feature=related

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I had forgotten all about this....

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[Riddler]

OP's gratuitous use of the "N-Word" immediately brought this to mind:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dF1NUposXVQ


And wow... that was tense.

[Rake2204]

And BTW....






I had forgotten all about this....

:roll:
Ha, that's awesome.

[KevinNYC]

people get caught up in the meaning of the word. in general slang, it refers to the gang banging, trashy type of black person. kind of how white trash/redneck refers to a specific type of white person.


No it doesn't.

[KevinNYC]

QT is a person that believes words only have power if you give it power

a racist word evokes emotion and reaction, which is what a writer like him desires from the dialogue

i say use it wisely, but QT does use it tactfully and shouldn't worry, if his character is racist then so be it

i like the scene in R dogs where mr pink says "you guys are acting like a bunch of ni9ggers"

knowing that QT is not a racist himself, i'm fine with it, stereotypes about race shouldn't be considered racist

I think it's interesting the way he uses the word in his movies. Because in general, you are hanging out with a bunch of criminals and even murderers, and the audience is fine with that. Then he uses the n word and if that is offensive to you, you have to wonder what about the other rampart immorality that's onscreen. Why are you fine with murder but not a racial slur. And I think he is deliberately intended that frisson (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/frisson) to occur.

Also there is no way that Tarantino's character in Pulp Fiction is more important than Jules or Vince. He's not even supposed to be a gangster. He might have been a criminal at one point, but the whole point of the character is that he got out of the life. He has able to scream at his friends because they f@cked up and put him in an impossible situation that might lead to his divorce, because he is living on the straight and narrow and his wife woudn't put up with this nonsense. Since he is living on the straight and narrow, that's why when Jules and Vince get dressed, he doesn't have good clothes for them but dorky Tshirts. The clothes indicate the distance from his life and theirs.

Think about it, if he was supposed to be a high-ranking gangster that he would be able to be bought off with a Oak bedroom set by Mr. Wolfe? No.

[KevinNYC]

Yeah it does, Chris Rock even had a long bit about that a while back.

yeah, I know that bit and, no, it still doesn't.

[tomtucker]

Quentin Tarentino's should have stayed behind the camera....ruined the whole thing

[ConanRulesNBC]

Jules had no choice but to take shit from Jimmy because he was the only one in the area that could help Jules and Vincent. But Jules said if Jimmy tried kicking them out and refused to help them then there would be a problem but it didn't come to that.

[ConanRulesNBC]

First, Quentin Tarantino is the most over-rated director/writer in Hollywood. His buddy Robert Rodriquez gets the silver medal.

Second, Tarantino is an attention-wh**e so I can pretty much guarantee he mentally cast himself in that role as soon as he wrote the dialog.

Third, Spike Lee did not criticize Tarantino for his use of the word in "Pulp Fiction." Lee criticized Tarantino during the release of "Jackie Brown". Lee felt Tarantino seemed to be obsessed with using the word in his films.

Last, it has nothing at all to do with friendship, familiarity, or his wife. Jimmy is higher up the ladder than they are. That's why they came to him for help, that's why he can be as condescending as he was toward them. When a lower rung guy whacks a higher up there are only two outcomes: lower guy becomes a boss or lower guy gets whacked. Now honestly do you see Jules being a boss anytime soon?

Tarantino has a huge ego and a lot of his fans do overrate him but he still makes good movies. I have never seen a Tarantino movie I haven't enjoyed. I like Pulp Fiction, Kill Bill, Jackie Brown, Death Proof, Inglorious Basterds and Reservoir Dogs. I even like the movies that he just wrote like True Romance and From Dusk Till Dawn. He makes entertaining movies.

Also, Jimmy is not higher than Jules and Vincent. When Jules made the call to Jimmy he told Vincent that Jimmy was the only one in the area that could help them. That's the only reason he was letting Jimmy get away with going off on him like that.

I used to love Tarantino until I realized how full of himself he is in real life. I still have a ton of QT's movie posters hanging up on my bedroom wall.

[Kebab Stall]

I like Jackie Brown the best. The characters are more than just stylized IMO. The friendship between Max Cherry and Jackie really gives the film a little more substance than what we see in his other movies.
I also like JB the best. Most people I know don't like it at all or have never seen it.

As for people saying QT has a massive ego and is full himself. Who in Hollywood (or sports or any type of entertainment) isn't? It's a stupid criticism for someone in his position.

[johndeeregreen]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihH_-O7ev2o

So he's obviously more gangsta, or has more power than Jules and Vincent right?
Or, the obvious answer, Jules and Vincent desperately needed his help and his garage and are willing to put up with him because of this. Reading too much into it.

[DonDadda59]

And it makes me wonder how black folks in Hollywood feel about his use of the N-Word,
because it's obvious that Quentin Tarentino casted himself just so he could say the word
as loud as he possibly could in front of an audience...


According to a 1995 Premiere magazine article, Denzel confronted director Quentin Tarantino when he visited the set of Crimson Tide (1995). Quentin had done an uncredited rewrite of the script. Denzel lambasted Tarantino about his use of racial slurs in his films. Tarantino got embarrassed and wanted to move the conversation to a more private area. Denzel said, "No, if we're going to discuss it, let's discuss it now." Denzel later said he still felt that Quentin was "a fine artist".

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000243/bio


I bet all that wannabe tough guy shit went right out the window when Q's puny ass saw this dude coming at him :oldlol:

http://www.moviespad.com/photos/denzel-washington-training-day-3843c.jpg

"Tarantino ain't got sh*t on me"

[ConanRulesNBC]

Samuel L. Jackson, Chris Tucker and Jamie Foxx don't seem to have a problem with Tarantino's scripts. Didn't Denzel say the "n" word several times in Training Day? What's the difference?

You want to get rid of the word? Fine. I think it's a horrible word anyways. But if you're going to say only certain people shouldn't say the word that's just stupid. Tell all the rappers and black people who call each other "n*gga" to stop using it too.

[Go Getter]

Samuel L. Jackson, Chris Tucker and Jamie Foxx don't seem to have a problem with Tarantino's scripts. Didn't Denzel say the "n" word several times in Training Day? What's the difference?

You want to get rid of the word? Fine. I think it's a horrible word anyways. But if you're going to say only certain people shouldn't say the word that's just stupid. Tell all the rappers and black people who call each other "n*gga" to stop using it too.
:facepalm