Derrick Rose just raped Deron Williams, has the torch been passed?

[Birmingham1955]

31 points 9 assists in a win. Williams couldn't guard him to save his life.

[Glide2keva]

bu, bu, bu, but Deron is the best point guard in the league!!!!!

[Miserio]

Only a kid sustain everything in one game

[ballinhun8]

This thread is unnecessary.

[Clocian-IGN]

one down, one more to go....and when play him next! :pimp:

[TrueRob]

Bulls > Jazz. But, it's still Deron > Rose. Sorry.

[Kellogs4toniee]

Before it gets too ugly in here, let me just say good games Jazz fans. That one went down to the wire.

[konex]

Doesn't he have a bad wrist? Deron without his shooting range is a pretty predictable player..

[Kblaze8855]

Rose, Deron, and Paul could probably be swapped at random among the 3 teams and have pretty much the same records. Picking between them isnt needed for me. I will say that I wouldnt trade Rose for anyone but Lebron or Dwight Howard though. Id think long and hard about Blake too....

[Glide2keva]

Yeah, sure. @ true Rob

[Mewwem22]

They haven't played enough games against each other in my opinion to form any type of "dominance" yet.. But, no question, Rose was the better player by far tonight and has a higher ceiling of potential than Deron.. I say, lets see how Rose does in the playoffs before we call him the best.

[Bigsmoke]

i love that steal at the end!!

[oh the horror]

In Deron's defense....I dont think ANYONE can really guard Rose straight up these days. Dude is too damn fast, and been on a tear this year.


And pass the torch? Deron Williams isnt that old yet. :lol

[Glide2keva]

i love that steal at the end!!
Yeah, it was awesome.

bu, bu, bu ,but Rose doesn't play good defense!

[TrueRob]

They haven't played enough games against each other in my opinion to form any type of "dominance" yet.. But, no question, Rose was the better player by far tonight and has a higher ceiling of potential than Deron.. I say, lets see how Rose does in the playoffs before we call him the best.

Yeah, for sure, Rose definitely got the better of Deron tonight. But, I'm still not convinced that Rose is the better PG.... yet.

[Dolphin]

Yeah, it was awesome.

bu, bu, bu ,but Rose doesn't play good defense!

You need to chillax. lol

[GOBB]

Are you reading a yahoo boxscore? Where you getting 31 and 9 from?

Anyway D-Will had 12 assists. When Rose distributes the ball even par with Paul and D-Will then I'll consider ranking him ahead.

[CelticBaller]

Yes. Lets all based that in a 1 game performance :facepalm. Does any one remember when dj agustin raped rose? Apparently dj is better than rose

[Miserio]

Are you reading a yahoo boxscore? Where you getting 31 and 9 from?

Anyway D-Will had 12 assists. When Rose distributes the ball even par with Paul and D-Will then I'll consider ranking him ahead.
No, Rose has a diferent style of playing, he's more 1 on 1 offensive player. He looks first at the hoop, second at his teammates, so, you can't compare him with the type of guards Nash, Rondo, D-Will are.

I don't know who's the best, but Rose is in a different category.

[Bigsmoke]

Yes. Lets all based that in a 1 game performance :facepalm. Does any one remember when dj agustin raped rose? Apparently dj is better than rose


i'm not picking sides here but Rose is playing better on a team thats doing better :confusedshrug:

[KingKobe]

bu, bu, bu, but Deron is the best point guard in the league!!!!!
no chris paul is

:facepalm htf does thing nig have so many green bars? hes like the rose verision of ashbelly

[Glide2keva]

Are you reading a yahoo boxscore? Where you getting 31 and 9 from?

Anyway D-Will had 12 assists. When Rose distributes the ball even par with Paul and D-Will then I'll consider ranking him ahead.
You do know what missed shots are right?

Stop acting like Rose can't get 12 assists. He's got the most 30/10+ games this season.

[Glide2keva]

no chris paul is

:facepalm htf does thing nig have so many green bars? hes like the rose verision of ashbelly
Says the Kobe guzzler.

[KingKobe]

Says the Kobe guzzler.
yah but i actually recieve hate for my support for kobe

this glide niggahs gotta be da worst poster on ISH cept for maby KG5VP

[DuMa]

nbatv says rose has 29pts 7 asts. where you getting 31-9 from?

[Rose]

Glide, I challenge you to troll as well as Ashbelly.:oldlol:

[GOBB]

You do know what missed shots are right?

Stop acting like Rose can't get 12 assists. He's got the most 30/10+ games this season.

Yeah because no one in the NBA misses shots except Rose's teammates. Therefore if they make their shots he would avg more assists. I follow your silly logic. If only Rondos teammates made more of their missed shots he'd avg 20 assists per game. :facepalm

Kudos for the most 30 and 10+ games. He avg 8.2 apg on the season tho. Thanks again

[catch24]

Yeah, it was awesome.

bu, bu, bu ,but Rose doesn't play good defense!

bu, bu, bu, but make a decent post for once in your life. Quit crying about "Rose haters".

[Glide2keva]

yah but i actually recieve hate for my support for kobe

this glide niggahs gotta be da worst poster on ISH cept for maby KG5VP
Yeah, because I start stupid threads and troll all around the board in everyone's threads. :rolleyes:

I talk about Bulls related things, that's it.

[Glide2keva]

bu, bu, bu, but make a decent post for once in your life. Quit crying about "Rose haters".
I've got plenty of decent posts, just because you don't agree with them doesn't I don't.

[Glide2keva]

Glide, I challenge you to troll as well as Ashbelly.:oldlol:
I have no interest in trolling. And no one can troll like ashbelly.

[catch24]

I've got plenty of decent posts, just because you don't agree with them doesn't I don't.

Dude every single one of your post seems like your sticking it to people who don't think Rose is the best PG.

[KingKobe]

Yeah, because I start stupid threads and troll all around the board in everyone's threads. :rolleyes:

I suck Rose's dick, that's it.

fixed

[Rose]

I have no interest in trolling. And no one can troll like ashbelly.
Not true.

[Glide2keva]

Dude every single one of your post seems like your sticking it to people who don't think Rose is the best PG.
Well, if you were constantly being bombarded with these hating ass posts all summer like us Bulls fans were, you do a little chest bumping too.

And yes I am sticking it to the haters. If you're not a hater, then it shouldn't bother you.

[Glide2keva]

fixed
Wow, you're 12?

[Rose]

And as for Catch24, Lots of people on ISH still say Rose doesn't play defense. Can't shoot(although that's less common now)he doesn't play it as well as CP3, but he's definitely now an above average defender. and lots of chicago fan do the bu bu bu thing.

[GOBB]

Dude every single one of your post seems like your sticking it to people who don't think Rose is the best PG.

bu bu bu, how is that trolling

[KingKobe]

Wow, you're 12?
why? am i wrong :lol

[catch24]

Well, if you were constantly being bombarded with these hating ass posts all summer like us Bulls fans were, you do a little chest bumping too.

And yes I am sticking it to the haters. If you're not a hater, then it shouldn't bother you.

No, people aren't "haters" if they don't think Rose is the best PG. That's just stupid.

[Glide2keva]

And as for Catch24, Lots of people on ISH still say Rose doesn't play defense. Can't shoot(although that's less common now)he doesn't play it as well as CP3, but he's definitely now an above average defender. And lots of Chicago fans do the bu bu bu thing.

Say it again man. They didn't hear you the first time.:cheers:

[GOBB]

Well, if you were constantly being bombarded with these hating ass posts all summer like us Bulls fans were, you do a little chest bumping too.

And yes I am sticking it to the haters. If you're not a hater, then it shouldn't bother you.

bu bu bu everyone who disagrees that rose is the best pg, the bulls cant/wont win the title arent haters. you seem to miss that point bu bu bu

[Rose]

Hell I do the bu bu bu thing sometimes.:oldlol: But only when I feel it's really warranted. Or if their fanbase is hating.

[Undisputed]

I love watching Rose match-up with CP3, Rondo, or D-Will. It's awesome to see such high level point guards going at it. D-Will has aced Rose before, it's nice to see it the other way around this time. Next time, who knows? No torch will be passed, it's just one or the other will get burned by it.

[Glide2keva]

No, people aren't "haters" if they don't think Rose is the best PG. That's just stupid.
Not because they don't think he's the best PG. They are entitled to their opinions. It was the way they went about shouting us down and spewing nothing but pure hate at Rose.

This isn't to real fans, this is to the trolls. I don't consider you one, so this isn't at you.

[Glide2keva]

bu bu bu everyone who disagrees that rose is the best pg, the bulls cant/wont win the title arent haters. you seem to miss that point bu bu bu
Again, I never said that.

[B-Low]

So wait it was Katelyn Faber that passed the torch to Kobe, not Jordan?

[Undisputed]

bu bu bu everyone who disagrees that rose is the best pg, the bulls cant/wont win the title arent haters. you seem to miss that point bu bu bu
Nah dude. The Bulls had some crazy hate over the summer. By haters, I'm talking trolling hate, not just objective views. There was a month or so period where I'd get negged for anything I said about Rose or the Bulls. :oldlol: And I like to think I'm not hardheaded bias.

[Kingwillball]

No Question DRose is a much more athletic and Dynamic Player and if I could take one of them for my team would be him without 2nd thought..Too much Upside.

[Jacks3]

11-26. G.o.a.t

[Rose]

11-26. G.o.a.t
6-24!

[Undisputed]

11-26=WIN

So who cares?

[dee-rose]

So wait it was Katelyn Faber that passed the torch to Kobe, not Jordan?
:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[DRose.IS.da.MAN]

11-26. G.o.a.t
You're dumb, watch the game, instead of throwing his stats out there. 11-26 isnt bad. It's better than what Kobe does every game :lol

[Jacks3]

6-24!
81 :confusedshrug:

[oh the horror]

I love how when people have good games, everyone now tries to diminish the great game by throwing around field goal percentage.


Im sorry but kids were NOT doing that 15 years ago. We didnt give a shit. :oldlol:



Can you imagine?


"Yo, Jordan dropped 40!"

"but he shot 44 percent bro"

"uh....what?"

[DRose.IS.da.MAN]

bu bu bu everyone who disagrees that rose is the best pg, the bulls cant/wont win the title arent haters. you seem to miss that point bu bu bu

It's obvious Rose is the Best PG THIS SEASON, if you think otherwise, you dont know basketball

[Undisputed]

It's obvious Rose is the Best PG THIS SEASON, if you think otherwise, you dont know basketball
A new Rose troll??? :facepalm

[Rose]

I love how when people have good games, everyone now tries to diminish the great game by throwing around field goal percentage.


Im sorry but kids were NOT doing that 15 years ago. We didnt give a shit. :oldlol:



Can you imagine?


"Yo, Jordan dropped 40!"

"but he shot 44 percent bro"

"uh....what?"
Dude, that doesn't matter! It makes the great players look bad! I mean come on LeBron shot like 35% the other day! CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT?!?!!?

I mean there's a difference between shooting 42 and 35. NOW THAT IMO is okay to bring up.

[DRose.IS.da.MAN]

81 :confusedshrug:

Retard, whats your point?

[DRose.IS.da.MAN]

A new Rose troll??? :facepalm

I speak the truth and nothing but the truth

[dee-rose]

I speak the truth and nothing but the truth
:facepalm

[yeaaaman]

No, people aren't "haters" if they don't think Rose is the best PG. That's just stupid.

Just overall seems to be too many defensive fans for players these days. I have to agree, this coming from someone who's barely posted on Rose, if at all, skimming through the threads there seems to be a trend to prove that Rose is the clear cut best PG in the league, and people who don't seem to agree it seems like are "haters".

And although I though I felt Rondo is overrated, when I read threads about him being overrated it seems as if the bulk of the posters are Bulls/Rose fans. So from the outside I get the general sense that Rose fans are going into overdrive to prop up Rose well diminish other players, pg's specifically, whether or not there's good reason. Just my two cent's but I'm sure I've ruffled some feathers.

[Jacks3]

Retard, whats your point?
:facepalm

[Rose]

Just overall seems to be too many defensive fans for players these days. I have to agree, this coming from someone who's barely posted on Rose, if at all, skimming through the threads there seems to be a trend to prove that Rose is the clear cut best PG in the league, and people who don't seem to agree it seems like are "haters".

And although I though I felt Rondo is overrated, when I read threads about him being overrated it seems as if the bulk of the posters are Bulls/Rose fans. So from the outside I get the general sense that Rose fans are going into overdrive to prop up Rose well diminish other players, pg's specifically, whether or not there's good reason. Just my two cent's but I'm sure I've ruffled some feathers.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2728/4422323168_1dcb67e63f.jpg

change some of the words...and that's ****ing hilarious here.

[T-bomb 25]

Im a huge Deron fan but i have to call it like i see it,Rose is clearly the best pg in the league,im now a bigger Rose fan,i think he's neck and neck with Wade,Lebron,and Kobe...he has the potential to be the best player in the league along with Lebron.

[Birmingham1955]

Im a huge Deron fan but i have to call it like i see it,Rose is clearly the best pg in the league,im now a bigger Rose fan,i think he's neck and neck with Wade,Lebron,and Kobe...he has the potential to be the best player in the league along with Lebron.

yep

[DeronMillsap]

Of course, yes. One is an MVP candidate, the other is not.

[DeronMillsap]

Doesn't he have a bad wrist? Deron without his shooting range is a pretty predictable player..
Yeah, he's been playing and dealing with it for awhile now. Regardless, Rose would still be having a much better season.

[alenleomessi]

Sorry bros CP3 is still the best

[Undisputed]

Sorry bros CP3 is still the best
Pretty much. The way Chris Paul runs a team is unmatched by anyone. That said, if given the choice by finding some basketball loving genie in a lamp, I wouldn't take him over Derrick Rose.

[New York Knicks]

Rose, Deron, and Paul could probably be swapped at random among the 3 teams and have pretty much the same records. Picking between them isnt needed for me. I will say that I wouldnt trade Rose for anyone but Lebron or Dwight Howard though. Id think long and hard about Blake too....
LOL. Rose is not the PG CP3 and D-Will are. Sorry. He's a very good scorer, though.

[AERIALZ666]

rose is a pointS guard guys.

[blacknapalm]

andre miller raped d-rose a few days ago. i don't understand why people try to look at single games so much. look at the body of work. that was more of an off-game for rose though. he's definitely improved defensively this season. chicago's whole starting lineup is actually very good except for boozer. i still don't think he's the best PG, but he's in the discussion.

[red1]

So wait it was Katelyn Faber that passed the torch to Kobe, not Jordan?
:lol oh you so silly

[DeronMillsap]

andre miller raped d-rose a few days ago. i don't understand why people try to look at single games so much. look at the body of work. that was more of an off-game for rose though. he's definitely improved defensively this season. chicago's whole starting lineup is actually very good except for boozer. i still don't think he's the best PG, but he's in the discussion.
Just to correct you, it was Westbrook and not Miller. Jazz haven't played the Blazers since Dec. :lol

[rodman91]

Deron Williams never had a torch..Players like Shaq,Duncan,Kobe,Nash,Kidd have torches to give..to players like Howard,Griffin,James,Durant,Rose,Williams. :wtf:

[Chicago Brawls]

andre miller raped d-rose a few days ago. i don't understand why people try to look at single games so much. look at the body of work. that was more of an off-game for rose though. he's definitely improved defensively this season. chicago's whole starting lineup is actually very good except for boozer. i still don't think he's the best PG, but he's in the discussion.

Yes, that Bogans guy is very very good. And Kurt Thomas dunked in this game so he's the new Blake Griffin.

I don't know who's the best point guard. But there's a new kid on the block so you better watch out and step up your game.

[YouCallILose]

Westbrook had 33 and 10 on 10-15 shootng the other night vs the Jazz and he held Deron Williams to 14 points on 6-15 shooting

That's what you call raping Deron Williams, it was in Utah as well

and Rose had 29 and 7 on 11-26 shooting

[ZGalifianakis]

Rajon Rondo is the best PG in the league

Btw, i hope Rose rapes me

[PurpleChuck]

Westbrook had 33 and 10 on 10-15 shootng the other night vs the Jazz and he held Deron Williams to 14 points on 6-15 shooting

That's what you call raping Deron Williams, it was in Utah as well

and Rose had 29 and 7 on 11-26 shooting
Like how Artest raped Durant?:lol

[YouCallILose]

Like how Artest raped Durant?:lol

Artest averaged 8 and 3 on 39.6 TS% vs Durant

Durant averaged 25 and 8 on 50 TS% vs Artest

The rest of the playoffs Artest averaged 13 and 4 on 52 TS%

clearly raped him

[blacknapalm]

Just to correct you, it was Westbrook and not Miller. Jazz haven't played the Blazers since Dec. :lol

d-rose dude, not d-will. you probably saw this by now tho.

oh and i stand corrected, bogans isn't all that good defensively either. he slipped my mind. still, thibs has chicago playing good defense as a whole. thomas is a decent tough defender. he can't help that he's old and has little lateral movement and quickness these days. also, he'll probably be on the bench when noah gets back. i'm thinking more about a healthy bulls starting lineup.

[DeronMillsap]

d-rose dude, not d-will. you probably saw this by now tho.

You were talking about the recent Blazers-Bulls match up. My bad.

[PurpleChuck]

Artest averaged 8 and 3 on 39.6 TS% vs Durant

Durant averaged 25 and 8 on 50 TS% vs Artest

The rest of the playoffs Artest averaged 13 and 4 on 52 TS%

clearly raped him
:facepalm @using ppg to judge Ron Artest. He made Durant his b1tch with his defense, watch the fkin' game.

"But but but, Durant has a higher +/-!!!" - joyner82:lol

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

31 points 9 assists in a win. Williams couldn't guard him to save his life.

STFU

weren't you the same guy who was bashing Derrick Rose for not being as good as John Wall?

Bandwagon dudes:facepalm

[I'm Seriously]

So the 4th best PG in the league raped the 3rd best PG in the league, and now he's the best PG in the league.

You Sir make perfect sense.

[DeronMillsap]

So the 4th best PG in the league raped the 3rd best PG in the league, and now he's the best PG in the league.

You Sir make perfect sense.
You still got Nash as the best PG? :lol

P.S. D-Will vs Nash next two games. :rockon:

[I'm Seriously]

You still got Nash as the best PG? :lol

P.S. D-Will vs Nash next two games. :rockon:

No. Paul's the best PG in the league, Nash would be second.

P.S. Nash vs Deron this year.

Nash- 18/5/3 on 6-10 shooting.

Deron- 13/6/4 on 3-12 shooting.

And career

Nash- 16/11/4 on 48% FG.

Deron- 18/9/3 on 43% FG.

I'm just sayin.

[DeronMillsap]

No. Paul's the best PG in the league, Nash would be second.

P.S. Nash vs Deron this year.

Nash- 18/5/3 on 6-10 shooting.

Deron- 13/6/4 on 3-12 shooting.

That was one game during that ugly first week. Jazz got blown out by Nugs too.

[DRose.IS.da.MAN]

Westbrook had 33 and 10 on 10-15 shootng the other night vs the Jazz and he held Deron Williams to 14 points on 6-15 shooting

That's what you call raping Deron Williams, it was in Utah as well

and Rose had 29 and 7 on 11-26 shooting

You must be the dumbest F@gg, have you ever played basketball in your life? you seem like one of those dudes that sits on the computer all day reading articles and stats. HAve you ever played a basketball game?

Enough about you life. The fact is you dUmb@ss, Derrick ROse scored all of those points when he was getting triple teamed the whole game, the defensive plan for the JAzz was to stop DROse and he still did great.

Westbrook and Durant dont get as much attention. Most attention goes to Durant which leaves westbrook for more easier shots.

You probably don't understand that, fukln loser

[I'm Seriously]

That was one game during that ugly first week. Jazz got blown out by Nugs too.

Nash wasn't exactly playing his best ball either, it took him 6 games to get 10+ assists.

[YouCallILose]

You must be the dumbest F@gg, have you ever played basketball in your life? you seem like one of those dudes that sits on the computer all day reading articles and stats. HAve you ever played a basketball game?

Enough about you life. The fact is you dUmb@ss, Derrick ROse scored all of those points when he was getting triple teamed the whole game, the defensive plan for the JAzz was to stop DROse and he still did great.

Westbrook and Durant dont get as much attention. Most attention goes to Durant which leaves westbrook for more easier shots.

You probably don't understand that, fukln loser

you seem upset.

[Hittin_Shots]

He raped another man on the television? Thats awful...

[Hittin_Shots]

You must be the dumbest F@gg, have you ever played basketball in your life? you seem like one of those dudes that sits on the computer all day reading articles and stats. HAve you ever played a basketball game?

Enough about you life. The fact is you dUmb@ss, Derrick ROse scored all of those points when he was getting triple teamed the whole game, the defensive plan for the JAzz was to stop DROse and he still did great.

Westbrook and Durant dont get as much attention. Most attention goes to Durant which leaves westbrook for more easier shots.

You probably don't understand that, fukln loser

Two free players on his team all the time? Did he get 20-30 assists?

[DRose.IS.da.MAN]

Two free players on his team all the time? Did he get 20-30 assists?

Wow, do you even know how you get an assist? your teammates need to make a shot. His teammates weren't knocking down shots. He doesn't have 50% fg Shooters like Rondo does.

[Glide2keva]

Wow, do you even know how you get an assist? your teammates need to make a shot. His teammates weren't knocking down shots. He doesn't have 50% fg Shooters like Rondo does.
Remember they were saying shit like, Rondo doesn't get his assists from the Big 3?

[XxSMSxX]

Wow, do you even know how you get an assist? your teammates need to make a shot. His teammates weren't knocking down shots. He doesn't have 50% fg Shooters like Rondo does.

There's a reason why there 50% fg shooters, because they get wide open shots from their PG,

and when did Deron get injured?

[DRose.IS.da.MAN]

There's a reason why there 50% fg shooters, because they get wide open shots from their PG,

and when did Deron get injured?

Exactly, you answered your own question. Bulls dont knock down open shots, maybe if you watched the games you would know instead of looking at the statline like that H0m0 Youcallhismomlose

[DRose.IS.da.MAN]

Remember they were saying shit like, Rondo doesn't get his assists from the Big 3?

Yeah, when a chunk of his assists come from ray allen and pierce

[XxSMSxX]

Exactly, you answered your own question. Bulls dont knock down open shots, maybe if you watched the games you would know instead of looking at the statline like that H0m0 Youcallhismomlose

I watch Bulls games, Derrick Rose is one of my favorite players

Kyle Korver isn't a knock down shooter? Deng is shooting the same % from midrange that Rose is. Let's act like Boozer isn't shooting almost 55% from the floor, stop acting like Rose is the only player on the Bulls

[Glide2keva]

I watch Bulls games, Derrick Rose is one of my favorite players

Kyle Korver isn't a knock down shooter? Deng is shooting the same % from midrange that Rose is. Let's act like Boozer isn't shooting almost 55% from the floor, stop acting like Rose is the only player on the Bulls
Again, you're ignoring facts. Rose gets guys like Thomas, Bogans, Deng, Korver all wide open shots. He got Boozer tons of shots last night and most of them he bricked or got blocked.

Rose had at least 5 assists bricked last night, and this happens nightly.

Korver has good games and bad games. He's been very up and down this year. Deng doesn't show up in the second half most nights.

I could go on and on, but you watch the game, so you should know this already.

[MMM]

Remember they were saying shit like, Rondo doesn't get his assists from the Big 3?

Nobody has ever said anything of the sort what people do say is he doesn't solely get his assists from the big 3. In fact he gets a handful of assists in the paint and yes he has good finishers this year. However, last season Big Baby got blocked 18% of the time, Perk wasn't a good finisher, and KG was hobbled by injuries and he was still among the elite in terms of interior passing. Additional evidence is when he plays with the bench. For example, in the playoffs when he was playing 40+ mins and up to 45 mins he played extended mins with the bench and his play making skills didn't fall off the wayside. Instead he uplifted guys like Nate, Tony Allen, Big Baby, etc.

[DRose.IS.da.MAN]

Nobody has ever said anything of the sort what people do say is he doesn't solely get his assists from the big 3. In fact he gets a handful of assists in the paint and yes he has good finishers this year. However, last season Big Baby got blocked 18% of the time, Perk wasn't a good finisher, and KG was hobbled by injuries and he was still among the elite in terms of interior passing. Additional evidence is when he plays with the bench. For example, in the playoffs when he was playing 40+ mins and up to 45 mins he played extended mins with the bench and his play making skills didn't fall off the wayside. Instead he uplifted guys like Nate, Tony Allen, Big Baby, etc.

It's easier to rack up assists when your main focus is to get as many assists as you can because you can't shoot. Rose's main focus is to win games, and he still avgs 8.2 assists. He has a really good balanced offensive game.

Remember Rondo doesn't need to win games, he has better players around him to do that, he cant take over games

[XxSMSxX]

Again, you're ignoring facts. Rose gets guys like Thomas, Bogans, Deng, Korver all wide open shots. He got Boozer tons of shots last night and most of them he bricked or got blocked.

Rose had at least 5 assists bricked last night, and this happens nightly.

Korver has good games and bad games. He's been very up and down this year. Deng doesn't show up in the second half most nights.

I could go on and on, but you watch the game, so you should know this already.

I wasn't specifically talking about last night because i admittedly only watched the 4th. But i hate when Rose fans (not ALL Rose fans mind you) act like he's the only shining spot on this team. Deng has been fantastic this year and so has Boozer in the time hes been back. Korver has definitely had more good games than bad games and he's been hitting his treys. I'm not gonna say the Bulls are stocked full of knock down shooters, but they have players that can finish and create offense and hit open shots if left open (within their range of course)

[Glide2keva]

Nobody has ever said anything of the sort what people do say is he doesn't solely get his assists from the big 3. In fact he gets a handful of assists in the paint and yes he has good finishers this year. However, last season Big Baby got blocked 18% of the time, Perk wasn't a good finisher, and KG was hobbled by injuries and he was still among the elite in terms of interior passing. Additional evidence is when he plays with the bench. For example, in the playoffs when he was playing 40+ mins and up to 45 mins he played extended mins with the bench and his play making skills didn't fall off the wayside. Instead he uplifted guys like Nate, Tony Allen, Big Baby, etc.
You weren't posting last year or in the summer in all the Rose vs. Rondo hreads, so don't tell me what someone said or didn't say.

[XxSMSxX]

It's easier to rack up assists when your main focus is to get as many assists as you can because you can't shoot. Rose's main focus is to win games, and he still avgs 8.2 assists. He has a really good balanced offensive game

Thanks for proving you dont watch Celtics games, If you have a team with shooters on deck why wouldn't you use them? Does that not make sense? And like MMMMMMM said he gets most of his assists in the paint anyway

[Glide2keva]

I wasn't specifically talking about last night because i admittedly only watched the 4th. But i hate when Rose fans (not ALL Rose fans mind you) act like he's the only shining spot on this team. Deng has been fantastic this year and so has Boozer in the time hes been back. Korver has definitely had more good games than bad games and he's been hitting his treys. I'm not gonna say the Bulls are stocked full of knock down shooters, but they have players that can finish and create offense and hit open shots if left open (within their range of course)
Korver awakened after the Miami game. before then, he was wildly inconsistent.

Deng has been great this season overall, but specifically in games where we need him in the 4th, he doesn't show outside of a few games this year.

Boozer has been great on the offensive end, he defense is very questionable.

And your last point is accurate, they just haven't been knocking those shots down and some of them have been at the rim.

[DRose.IS.da.MAN]

I wasn't specifically talking about last night because i admittedly only watched the 4th. But i hate when Rose fans (not ALL Rose fans mind you) act like he's the only shining spot on this team. Deng has been fantastic this year and so has Boozer in the time hes been back. Korver has definitely had more good games than bad games and he's been hitting his treys. I'm not gonna say the Bulls are stocked full of knock down shooters, but they have players that can finish and create offense and hit open shots if left open (within their range of course)

8.2 assists is really good for a point gaurd. Why do you want him to avg. 13 assists? would that make him a better player? when was the last time someone avg. 25 ppg and 13 asg? He is winning games for his team

[XxSMSxX]

Korver awakened after the Miami game. before then, he was wildly inconsistent.

Deng has been great this season overall, but specifically in games where we need him in the 4th, he doesn't show outside of a few games this year.

Boozer has been great on the offensive end, he defense is very questionable.

And your last point is accurate, they just haven't been knocking those shots down and some of them have been at the rim.

I think everything will run much more smoothly when Noah comes back (i really need those fantasy rebounds about now :lol) And I ain't surprised with Boozer's defense, he literally couldn't give a damn on that side of the ball. Offensively tho he's still the same old. Deng's defense is what i'm more impressed with actually, it might be making him a little more gassed come 4th quarter though

[MMM]

You weren't posting last year or in the summer in all the Rose vs. Rondo hreads, so don't tell me what someone said or didn't say.

Except you have been using that line even before the summer. And I think it originally started because I was saying how Rondo gets most his assists in the paint while Rose was at the time a draw and kick type of passer.

Edit: WTF @ I wasn't posting here last year. BTW I was in most if not all the Rose/Rondo threads.

[XxSMSxX]

8.2 assists is really good for a point gaurd. Why do you want him to avg. 13 assists? would that make him a better player? when was the last time someone avg. 25 ppg and 13 asg? He is winning games for his team

You mean the Bulls are winning games. I never said he needs to average 13 dimes a game, and do you really think Rose is the only pg whose teammates miss some shots?

[MMM]

It's easier to rack up assists when your main focus is to get as many assists as you can because you can't shoot. Rose's main focus is to win games, and he still avgs 8.2 assists. He has a really good balanced offensive game.

Remember Rondo doesn't need to win games, he has better players around him to do that, he cant take over games

I wasn't comparing Rose and Rondo so I'm not sure what this has to do with my post.

[Penny4MVP2k]

Well over the course of their careers ("prime" and now), Deron Williams has "raped" CP3 head-to-head, yet people STILL claim CP3 is the best PG in the League.

My point? I'm saying that in a majority of cases, a head-to-head matchup can seldomly (if at all) be used exclusively to determine a player's ranking.

[DRose.IS.da.MAN]

You mean the Bulls are winning games. I never said he needs to average 13 dimes a game, and do you really think Rose is the only pg whose teammates miss some shots?

You just ****ln asked why rose didn't have 20 asissts. stop wasting my time if you dont know what you're talking about.

[XxSMSxX]

You just ****ln asked why rose didn't have 20 asissts. stop wasting my time if you dont know what you're talking about.

The **** are you talking about? Stop confusing me wit other ni99as :hammerhead: :hammerhead:

[DRose.IS.da.MAN]

The **** are you talking about? Stop confusing me wit other ni99as :hammerhead: :hammerhead:

Every hater is the same to me :lol

[XxSMSxX]

Every hater is the same to me :lol

Every troll is the same to me too :confusedshrug:

[blablabla]

what torch 3th best point guard in the league, maybe

[brandonislegend]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v214/xwikdx/tumblr_leu3d2dysr1qb7hapo1_500.gif

[Papaya Petee]

Oh so one game where he outplays him means there's a torch passing? Dumb thread.

[jasonresno]

Oh so one game where he outplays him means there's a torch passing? Dumb thread.
http://bkref.com/tiny/fJTSx

Rose ALWAYS plays D-Will great.

Rose: 24/4/6
DWill: 20/10

[Papaya Petee]

http://bkref.com/tiny/fJTSx

Rose ALWAYS plays D-Will great.

Rose: 24/4/6
DWill: 20/10
So they pull their career averages on each other.

[LA KB24]

In Deron's defense....I dont think ANYONE can really guard Rose straight up these days. Dude is too damn fast, and been on a tear this year.


And pass the torch? Deron Williams isnt that old yet. :lol
This. No one can guard Rose.

[jasonresno]

So they pull their career averages on each other.
Except that Rose is 22 years old and his career avgs are only going to be going up ^^.

What that's saying is a rookie-soph-third year Rose outplayed D-Will, the #1 or #2 PG in the game for the last couple years.

[hkfosho]

why are we arguing, rose is clearly the better player. move along, let's not get carried away with trolls now.

[LA KB24]

why are we arguing, rose is clearly the better player. move along, let's not get carried away with trolls now.
lmfao.

[DeronMillsap]

Of course, yes. One is an MVP candidate, the other is not.
D-Will wishes he can carry a team like Rose.

[MMM]

http://bkref.com/tiny/fJTSx

Rose ALWAYS plays D-Will great.

Rose: 24/4/6
DWill: 20/10

Dwill stats are far more impressive here.

[jasonresno]

Dwill stats are far more impressive here.
Not really. They both account for about 38-45 of their teams points and you have to understand (which it's clear you don't) that these games are comparing a Rookie/Sophmore/3rd year D-Rose with a prime D-Will.

So IMO, it's a scary thought that Rose OUT OF COLLEGE was playing on par with D-Will in h2h matchups.

[MMM]

Not really. They both account for about 38-45 of their teams points and you have to understand (which it's clear you don't) that these games are comparing a Rookie/Sophmore/3rd year D-Rose with a prime D-Will.

So IMO, it's a scary thought that Rose OUT OF COLLEGE was playing on par with D-Will in h2h matchups.

Yes I can understand that and it is why Williams efficiency in those games aren't matched by Rose. Thus those H2H match ups are far from playing on par. With that being said I'll say Rose right now is on par or close to it with Williams.

[jasonresno]

Yes I can understand that and it is why Williams efficiency in those games aren't matched by Rose. Thus those H2H match ups are far from playing on par. With that being said I'll say Rose right now is on par or close to it with Williams.
Ok good lol. It's easy to forget DRose is only 22.