Kevin Love Vs Dennis Rodman

[az00m]

Who would you rather have on your team today? Rodman: The fundamental offensive guy who threw some of the best outlets passes, lane passes, and set great picks, with a big lack of scoring. Played GREAT defense, and GOAT rebounding...

Or would you rather have the man Love: who throws good outlet passes, good 3 point shooter with good offensive game and a great rebounder with poor defense.

[kaiiu]

the guy who could shut your best big down while grabbing rebounds

[Apocalyptic0n3]

The guy who married Carmen Electra, of course.

[kaiiu]

The guy who married Carmen Electra, of course.


what guy?http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_DJe3vpipo5g/R3xF-lWJCbI/AAAAAAAAAFM/Pio0sZLMLSI/s320/dennis-rodman-drag-queen.jpg:lol

[Miserio]

the guy who could shut your best big down while grabbing rebounds
Not only your best big, he can guard ANYONE

[kaiiu]

Not only your best big, he can guard ANYONE

yep thats what i meant. In his detroit days he would guard your perimeter player and STILL manage double figure rebounds. Heck it takes Kevin Love to roam on defense just to get rebounds alot of times:lol

[Kblaze8855]

Rodman. Every time. Rodman I think is one of the more significant players as far as who is likely to win a game in the last 20 years. Really. He did every single thing except shoot...well. He was one of the best defenders ever. The best rebounder of my lifetime. He started breaks like few others. He set great screens, was smart enough with the ball to often be posted up with no intentions of scoring just off his ability to move the ball to the right spot, and he frustrated the hell outta the opponent. I dont think its by chance that every team he was on until he left the Bulls hit its franchise high in wins in a season. Even the pistons his last year there were 36/26 when he started and 4-16 when he didnt. hell the Lakers went on an 11 game win streak when he got there and he wasnt even playing defense like he used to.

Love can clearly do more things. But so could a lot of players I wouldnt trade Rodman for. Doing more things doesnt mean the things he does impact the game more than Rodman doing what he does better.

[Kellogs4toniee]

Who would you rather have on your team today? Rodman: The fundamental offensive guy who threw some of the best outlets passes, lane passes, and set great picks, with a big lack of scoring. Played GREAT defense, and GOAT rebounding...

Or would you rather have the man Love: who throws good outlet passes, good 3 point shooter with good offensive game and a great rebounder with poor defense.


If I didn't know the players around them, Rodman for sure. Outstanding shut-down defense, versatility, and great team-play is something that ANY team in this league would take in a heartbeat. However, if my team already had a defensive big and great perimeter / help defense like the Heat and Bulls do, I honestly think I would take Love just to stretch the defense and clean-up on the boards.

but then again... just to clarify.. i would take Rodman 9 out of 10 times. Haha

[Clutch]

(Thinking 0.019 seconds...) My answer is Rodman.

[jstern]

Rodman gets knocked a lot because he didn't score a lot ppg, but the thing is that he didn't hurt your team offensively. It's hard to explain, but he would somehow get the rebound, and then give it away to the better option. He didn't try to do things offensively that he couldn't do. Offensively he still had a high IQ, just making the right plays.

Rodman was such an amazing player. I remember that as soon as he went to the Lakers, they had a 16 game winning streak or something. Then he went to the Mavericks, old an all, they immediately went I think on a similar winning streak, because he just added so much to a team

[Dwade305]

I'll take the white guy who can put up buckets. F*ck yall, nostalgic pieces of sh1t.

[DeuceWallaces]

Lol, seriously?

[knickscity]

Rodman prevented players and teams from scoring.

Plus his mind game ability was great.

He could literally look at a player and mess their whole game up.

[JohnnySic]

The wistfully nostalgic overatting of Dennis Rodman continues unabated. Did he ever even play on a bad team? If he had, would that team have become better?

[Nelson14]

Rodman

[fos]

Rodman was a fantastic player but he played on some really good teams. Kevin Love plays on an awful team. However, Kevin Love can not only lead the league in rebounding, but score 20+ ppg, shoot over 40% from beyond the arc and almost 90% free throw shooting and is a fantastic passer. Rodman is getting mighty overrated around here.

[XxSMSxX]

Rodman was a fantastic player but he played on some really good teams. Kevin Love plays on an awful team. However, Kevin Love can not only lead the league in rebounding, but score 20+ ppg, shoot over 40% from beyond the arc and almost 90% free throw shooting and is a fantastic passer. Rodman is getting mighty overrated around here.

So is Kevin Love with his empty ass stats :banghead:

[PurpleChuck]

Defense is what's separating them.

[jstern]

Rodman was a fantastic player but he played on some really good teams. Kevin Love plays on an awful team. However, Kevin Love can not only lead the league in rebounding, but score 20+ ppg, shoot over 40% from beyond the arc and almost 90% free throw shooting and is a fantastic passer. Rodman is getting mighty overrated around here.
No one is getting overrated (I think Rodman is underrated), they are just 2 different types of players who both happen to rebound a lot. Rodman was a special and unique player. I didn't vote one way or the other because I haven't seen enough Kevin Love, but Rodman was a very special player who brought things to the game only he uniquely could bring. Older players tend to get underrated in general, unless they really, really won a whole lot, and then eventually they get underrated, as memory fades. Kobe will be underrated, and players like Kevin Garnette will be forgotten by future generation. As soon as some one says anything good about Kevin Garnette, kids in the future will be saying is nostalgia, since they have no concept of super stars being forgotten, so think the past had no super stars.

[Miserio]

If I played as a power forward in today's league, I would score 30 if Kevin Love is defending me (and i'm 6-3). My point is, anyone, ANYONE, can score over Kevin Love, worst defender in nba history.

[97 bulls]

The wistfully nostalgic overatting of Dennis Rodman continues unabated. Did he ever even play on a bad team? If he had, would that team have become better?
I remember in 95 I believe, the spurs started the season like 9-8. When rodman rejoined them, they finished with a record of 62-20. Rodman was a game changer. And I do feel that if he looked for his shot more, he would've been around a 12 to 15 ppg scorer.

[b0bab0i]

Seriously op? Are you a dumbass?

[B-Low]

Without hesitation Id sign Rodman to begin with and then pick up Kevin Love to replace him after Rodman recieves a record-breaking 400 game suspension in today's sensitive ass league

[alenleomessi]

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[ronniec]

RODMAN!!!!!!!

Defense wins championships, that's it.

[2LeTTeRS]

The wistfully nostalgic overatting of Dennis Rodman continues unabated. Did he ever even play on a bad team? If he had, would that team have become better?

Lets ask the opposite - has Kevin Love ever played on a good team? And would he really make it better? He can rebound his ass off and passes pretty well as well as score, but lets truly analyze his game and not just his #s.

While its true points are points, his scores primarily come on garbage buckets and 3s. He's not the type of guy you give the ball to in the post and ask to score you points. He just doesn't have those tools yet. On top of that he is a bad defender. Really bad. Even though he's smart, he just doesn't have the quickness, length or explosiveness to really improve substantially in this department.

Seeing that good teams normally tend to rely on good fundamental defensive play, I see this as a major negative. For bigs I see it as easier to hide a role player whose poor offensive player on offense, than to protect a poor defensive big on D. The only type of team I'd consider taking Love above Rodman would have to have a center whose great on D and horrible offensively.

[Norcaliblunt]

The only thing underrated about Rodman is his how much of a problem his shenanigans on and off the court were. If it wasn't for Phil Jackson and Jordan (the greatest coach and player of all time), than Rodman would just be remembered for how much of an a-hole he was in SA.

[ATL_Bball_King]

Comparing Love to Rodman...In Love's FIRST BREAKOUT YEAR....:facepalm :hammerhead: :no: :eek: :wtf: :lol

[rodman91]

THIS THREAD AS DUMB AS THE MOVIE BELOW

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[Eat Like A Bosh]

Rodman. He might have limited offense, but his defense is what makes him stand out. Defense wins championships.

Pair up Rodman with one of the top scorers, and you've got a great duo. Perfect for a team with a lot of offensive weapons already.

[Teanett]

here's the thing:
rodman was a good offensive player, he just didn't score much.
now, all you kids go watch some old bulls games, before you start typing
smiley-loaded tirades about me being crazy.

look at his spacing, picks, etc
bulls' ball and player movement
his passing (outlet and in the triangle)
he gets his team extra shots
he worked as hard on offense as he did on defense

[Harrison_Barnes]

Easily Rodman..

[rodman91]

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hmmm..Let me think about it.. :lol

[DuMa]

rodman. he made the other players mad.

[Walduś]

so much racism in this thread. :facepalm

kevin love.

[nbacardDOTnet]

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hmmm..Let me think about it.. :lol

hey, that's what I uploaded. :lol

have you seen this ?
(Dennis Rodman "Kevin who ?")
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[lilWesleyJ4]

:facepalm I hate threads like these which always turn into bashing one player:facepalm Rodman easily.

[az00m]

Seriously op? Are you a dumbass?

Why a dumb ass? I'm just wondering who people would take for their team. They are very similar players except the fact that one is great defender and one is a great offensive player...

[az00m]

here's the thing:
rodman was a good offensive player, he just didn't score much.
now, all you kids go watch some old bulls games, before you start typing
smiley-loaded tirades about me being crazy.

look at his spacing, picks, etc
bulls' ball and player movement
his passing (outlet and in the triangle)
he gets his team extra shots
he worked as hard on offense as he did on defense


I know rodman was a great offensive player; I watched a lot of him growing up. He set great screens and spaced himself very well. When he caught the rebound the ball was out of his hands in less than a second.

He just lacked the scoring ability because that wasn't his job.

[rodman91]

hey, that's what I uploaded. :lol

have you seen this ?
(Dennis Rodman "Kevin who ?")
http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/z%20Funny%20NBA%20Photos/0%20Players/Dennis%20Rodman/655ab064.gif

:lol

[Lebron23]

Defense wins championship.

I'd pick Rodman over Love. Rodman is one of the best rebounders of all time, and he was also a very good defender during his prime.

[StateOfMind12]

The argument is basically offense vs. defense. I would still take Rodman. Because I don't think Love is capable of winning a championship as the number one option like a Tim Duncan was able to do. They are both role players, and IMO, defense is more important for a role player than an offense is. Plus, Rodman is one of the greatest defenders to ever play. I have high doubts Kevin Love would ever be one of the greatest offensive players to play. So that is also a significant difference between the two.

[DetroitPiston]

Rodman.

Don't see how he's overrated either.

[jlauber]

Let's revisit this topic in another 10 years. Love is in his third season, and is only 22 years old. IMHO, and barring injuries, Love will be a HOFer. He is a very skilled offensive player, and a dominant rebounder. Rodman should be in the HOF, as well, but by the time Love's career is over he will probably be a sure-fire HOFer.

[ShaqAttack3234]

Rodman gets knocked a lot because he didn't score a lot ppg, but the thing is that he didn't hurt your team offensively. It's hard to explain, but he would somehow get the rebound, and then give it away to the better option. He didn't try to do things offensively that he couldn't do. Offensively he still had a high IQ, just making the right plays.

Rodman was such an amazing player. I remember that as soon as he went to the Lakers, they had a 16 game winning streak or something. Then he went to the Mavericks, old an all, they immediately went I think on a similar winning streak, because he just added so much to a team

He helped a team, but he did do some stupid things offensively. You don't remember the ill-advised 3s or wild shots he'd occasionally take and the classic puzzled reaction from Marv Albert? But you live with those things because Dennis brought so much to a team.



I remember in 95 I believe, the spurs started the season like 9-8. When rodman rejoined them, they finished with a record of 62-20. Rodman was a game changer. And I do feel that if he looked for his shot more, he would've been around a 12 to 15 ppg scorer.

The '95 Spurs for the season were 40-9 with Rodman(67 win pace) and 20-11 without him(55 win pace).

Look at the impact he made on the '96 Bulls, particularly the conference finals and finals.

In all of the other seasons that he missed a significant amount of games in, his teams played better with him, except for his last season with Dallas when he only played 12 games.
1993 Pistons- 36-26 with him, 4-16 without him
1996 Bulls- 57-7 with him, 13-3 without him
1997 Bulls- 48-7 with him, 21-6 without him
1999 Lakers- 17-6 with him, 14-15 without him

That '93 Pistons team also dropped to 20-62(worst record in the league) in '94 without Rodman.

The Spurs went 47-35 in '93, they lost Sean Elliott and Avery Johnson in the offseason and got Rodman and they went 55-27.

Look at how the '95 Bulls played vs the Magic compared to the '96 Bulls vs Orlando, there were other factors of course, but Rodman's impact is obvious to anyone who has seen the series.

It's not a coincidence, his role is different than Love, but I'll have to see him consistently make a difference in the Win column before I can compare him to Rodman, who should be in the hall of fame.

[az00m]

He helped a team, but he did do some stupid things offensively. You don't remember the ill-advised 3s or wild shots he'd occasionally take and the classic puzzled reaction from Marv Albert? But you live with those things because Dennis brought so much to a team.




The '95 Spurs for the season were 40-9 with Rodman(67 win pace) and 20-11 without him(55 win pace).

Look at the impact he made on the '96 Bulls, particularly the conference finals and finals.

In all of the other seasons that he missed a significant amount of games in, his teams played better with him, except for his last season with Dallas when he only played 12 games.
1993 Pistons- 36-26 with him, 4-16 without him
1996 Bulls- 57-7 with him, 13-3 without him
1997 Bulls- 48-7 with him, 21-6 without him
1999 Lakers- 17-6 with him, 14-15 without him

That '93 Pistons team also dropped to 20-62(worst record in the league) in '94 without Rodman.

The Spurs went 47-35 in '93, they lost Sean Elliott and Avery Johnson in the offseason and got Rodman and they went 55-27.

Look at how the '95 Bulls played vs the Magic compared to the '96 Bulls vs Orlando, there were other factors of course, but Rodman's impact is obvious to anyone who has seen the series.

It's not a coincidence, his role is different than Love, but I'll have to see him consistently make a difference in the Win column before I can compare him to Rodman, who should be in the hall of fame.

Dude has one great winning% very big impact player imo.

[NBASTATMAN]

Give me rodman but only cuz I know he could win.. Still he hurt his teams on offense.. Against the Bulls ,OPPONENTS just wouldn't defend him... I think he is overrated as a rebounder as well and He really wasn't that good of a rebounder in the playoffs. But he is in my opinion one of those great glue guys... And the guy always came to play...


Guys like Jason Williams put up similar rebounding numbers as Rodman in the late 90's yet didn't play with two stars....


Love has to do what he is doing on a good team before I pick him over Rodman..

[Teanett]

Give me rodman but only cuz I know he could win.. Still he hurt his teams on offense.. Against the Bulls ,OPPONENTS just wouldn't defend him... I think he is overrated as a rebounder as well and He really wasn't that good of a rebounder in the playoffs. But he is in my opinion one of those great glue guys... And the guy always came to play...


that is crap. except for the last sentence.
we're not talking about tyrone hill...

[Kblaze8855]

I think he is overrated as a rebounder as well and He really wasn't that good of a rebounder in the playoffs. But he is in my opinion one of those great glue guys... And the guy always came to play...


Guys like Jason Williams put up similar rebounding numbers as Rodman in the late 90's yet didn't play with two stars....

In the late 90s Dennis was 35-39. Jayson was in his prime. And he still wasnt rebounding like Dennis. When Dennis was Williams age from the late 90s he was puttign up 17-19 rebounds a game for 4 yearsi n a row. The last year doing 17 a game in 32 minutes.

And his minutes often dropped in the playoffs late in his career plus he would often have one guy who was his responsibility to guard more than rebound. But he still put in work and won big games with his rebounding. He set the finals record for offensive rebounds 2-3 times. One game he had 11 offensive reboundsi n a close win. Know how major 11 extra possessions are in a finals game between two good defenses? There were years he guarded all stars 4 straight rounds. Centers and powerforwards. Sometimes Shaq or Zo...sometimes Webber or Karl Malone. He wasnt rebounding as much but hes out there holding Webber to 10-12 points just on off the ball defense. Holding the second all time leading scorer to 1 FG in the second half of 1 point finals win. Or 2 points in a 4th of a close win. Or 5-16. Or 1 point in the last 15 minutes of a close win. Dennis did his thing. He got scored on now and then like everyone...but he played his part and had a lot to do with winning every ring he got. Hell he was the DPOY and an all star the year the Pistons won their second ring.

[IGOTGAME]

Are people really arguing for Kevin Love?

I am under the impression people don't really watch Kevin Love play, they just read box scores.

[az00m]

Karl malone shot like 33% against rodman in the finals and 50% +against longly/the rest

[97 bulls]

Give me rodman but only cuz I know he could win.. Still he hurt his teams on offense.. Against the Bulls ,OPPONENTS just wouldn't defend him... I think he is overrated as a rebounder as well and He really wasn't that good of a rebounder in the playoffs. But he is in my opinion one of those great glue guys... And the guy always came to play...


Guys like Jason Williams put up similar rebounding numbers as Rodman in the late 90's yet didn't play with two stars....


Love has to do what he is doing on a good team before I pick him over Rodman..
This is rediculous. Its already been said that there's more to being a good offensive player thatn just scoring. Rodman was great at initiating the fast break, offensive rebounding, and was a damn good passing bigman. And he had a decent 3pt shot. He was a winner. A d you couldn't leave him cuz if you tried that strategy, he'd end up with 10 offensive rebounds.

And how can you say that he didn't rebound well in the playoffs? The man set records in the 96 finals. And was hurt in 97 and 98. Just dumb

[Harion]

anyone picking Love over Rodman is just stupid or have never seen Rodman play.

[kaiiu]

On most night Rodman would already win his matchup before the game even started:lol Rodman seemed like the type that would do stuff to get in your head during the game like grab your ass or wink at you or some shit:roll:

[97 bulls]

In the late 90s Dennis was 35-39. Jayson was in his prime. And he still wasnt rebounding like Dennis. When Dennis was Williams age from the late 90s he was puttign up 17-19 rebounds a game for 4 yearsi n a row. The last year doing 17 a game in 32 minutes.

And his minutes often dropped in the playoffs late in his career plus he would often have one guy who was his responsibility to guard more than rebound. But he still put in work and won big games with his rebounding. He set the finals record for offensive rebounds 2-3 times. One game he had 11 offensive reboundsi n a close win. Know how major 11 extra possessions are in a finals game between two good defenses? There were years he guarded all stars 4 straight rounds. Centers and powerforwards. Sometimes Shaq or Zo...sometimes Webber or Karl Malone. He wasnt rebounding as much but hes out there holding Webber to 10-12 points just on off the ball defense. Holding the second all time leading scorer to 1 FG in the second half of 1 point finals win. Or 2 points in a 4th of a close win. Or 5-16. Or 1 point in the last 15 minutes of a close win. Dennis did his thing. He got scored on now and then like everyone...but he played his part and had a lot to do with winning every ring he got. Hell he was the DPOY and an all star the year the Pistons won their second ring.now this is a bulls fan. Great post

[schism206]

This is rediculous. Its already been said that there's more to being a good offensive player thatn just scoring. Rodman was great at initiating the fast break, offensive rebounding, and was a damn good passing bigman. And he had a decent 3pt shot. He was a winner. A d you couldn't leave him cuz if you tried that strategy, he'd end up with 10 offensive rebounds.

And how can you say that he didn't rebound well in the playoffs? The man set records in the 96 finals. And was hurt in 97 and 98. Just dumb

that right there. not saying kevin love is or is not a winner or won't be, but rodman has proven himself on many different teams. he does have, what... 5 rings? probably could have had one with the spurs too, if they played a bit better in the playoffs.

[NBASTATMAN]

In the late 90s Dennis was 35-39. Jayson was in his prime. And he still wasnt rebounding like Dennis. When Dennis was Williams age from the late 90s he was puttign up 17-19 rebounds a game for 4 yearsi n a row. The last year doing 17 a game in 32 minutes.

And his minutes often dropped in the playoffs late in his career plus he would often have one guy who was his responsibility to guard more than rebound. But he still put in work and won big games with his rebounding. He set the finals record for offensive rebounds 2-3 times. One game he had 11 offensive reboundsi n a close win. Know how major 11 extra possessions are in a finals game between two good defenses? There were years he guarded all stars 4 straight rounds. Centers and powerforwards. Sometimes Shaq or Zo...sometimes Webber or Karl Malone. He wasnt rebounding as much but hes out there holding Webber to 10-12 points just on off the ball defense. Holding the second all time leading scorer to 1 FG in the second half of 1 point finals win. Or 2 points in a 4th of a close win. Or 5-16. Or 1 point in the last 15 minutes of a close win. Dennis did his thing. He got scored on now and then like everyone...but he played his part and had a lot to do with winning every ring he got. Hell he was the DPOY and an all star the year the Pistons won their second ring.





First let me clarify the overrated statement.. I believe he is overrated when people call him the best rebounder of our era... I would never say he wasn't a great rebounder.. But its not like he was looking to BOTH score and rebound.. Jayson Williams could have had the same effect or better if he played with Pip and MJ in my opinion.. He actually looked to score and would have alleviated some of those doubles on pip and mj..

On offense, instead of looking to get open for a shot he was setting up for a rebound...That helped him rebound.. But it hurt both MJ and PIP on offense.. They saw alot more double teams because of this...But their rebounding edge helped them win alot of games.. But they weren't similar to todays lakers who outrebound teams with their size and don't give up anything on offense with their bigs..With Rodman you were giving up offense for rebounds... Spacing was usually hurt cuz of Rodman as well...

He was a great defender.. Early in his career he actually would come out and defend MJ on the perimeter. Later in his career he defended some of the best bigs ever.. But its not like he was stopping them.. Still he was a great defender..

See I have no problem giving him his due.. Great team player.. But he wasn't the rebounder Moses or Karl Malone were.. Matter of fact I still remember him not being able to rebound vs Karl in both Finals.. But he did do a good job defending Karl... With great help from pip and mj...


This is my opinion.. You are welcome to go against it... kBLAZE you are one of the best guys posting on this site so I am sure you remember Rodman vs Karl... Karl used his big body to seal Rodman off from many rebounds.. And there was nothing Rodman could do about it..

I have always thought about how many rebounds Karl Malone could get if that was the only thing he did.. I cannot give the title of best rebounder of our ERA to a guy that only rebounded.. And never looked to score.. Alot of his rebounding came from the fact that he put himself in position to rebound before he positioned himself to score..


Hey I did pick Rodman over Love everyday... Love has to prove he can do great things on a good team..

[rodman91]

No disrespect to Kevin Love.He is having good season with great numbers....However those rebound numbers equal with 36 years old Rodman! :lol

He had 17.3 & 16.8 rpg when he plays next to David Robinson :lol

..And this is for stats lovers..check out minutes per game and rebounding..And don't forget he was more like a SF in his early years.


Top career rebounding averages since 1973
Player Height Mpg OR DR Total R Games RPG

Dennis Rodman 6'6" 31.7 4,329 7,625 11,954 911 13.1
Dwight Howard^ 6'11" 35.8 1,847 4,684 6,531 515 12.7
Moses Malone* 6'10" 33.9 6,731 9,481 16,212 1,329 12.2
Charles Barkley* 6'6" 36.7 4,260 8,286 12,546 1,073 11.7
Tim Duncan^ 6'11" 36.2 3,089 8,509 11,598 1,004 11.6

Top rebounding seasons since 1973
Season Player Team RPG

1991

[NBASTATMAN]

The wistfully nostalgic overatting of Dennis Rodman continues unabated. Did he ever even play on a bad team? If he had, would that team have become better?


i SEE WHERE YOU ARE GOING HERE.. And I have asked the same question.. I just don't have the answer...

[IGOTGAME]

i SEE WHERE YOU ARE GOING HERE.. And I have asked the same question.. I just don't have the answer...

of course Dennis Rodman makes a bad team better. He may not be ideal to carry a bad team but he makes them better.

But that is not test of a great player imo. More important is can he help make a team great. Now ask yourself this, could Kevin Love start on a historically great team?

[NBASTATMAN]

of course Dennis Rodman makes a bad team better. He may not be ideal to carry a bad team but he makes them better.

But that is not test of a great player imo. More important is can he help make a team great. Now ask yourself this, could Kevin Love start on a historically great team?


Depends the team... Love would start on that BUlls team over any Center they had...

Still Love doesn't change the game like Rodman did.. I don't know if its close.. Only time will tell if Love plays on a good team

[rodman91]

Are people really arguing for Kevin Love?

I am under the impression people don't really watch Kevin Love play, they just read box scores.

Exactly.:applause: This might be helpful for comparision :roll:

Love vs Chinese Player :facepalm

http://www.truthaboutit.net/pictures/2010-11/yi-jianlian-dunk-on-kevin-love.gif

Rodman vs Jordan :rockon:

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/VS/Former%20n%20Later%20Teammate/Dennis%20Rodman/bab7f5a9.gif

[NBASTATMAN]

Exactly.:applause: This might be helpful for comparision :roll:

Love vs Chinese Player :facepalm

http://www.truthaboutit.net/pictures/2010-11/yi-jianlian-dunk-on-kevin-love.gif

Rodman vs Jordan :rockon:

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/VS/Former%20n%20Later%20Teammate/Dennis%20Rodman/bab7f5a9.gif


RODMAN ALL THE TIME... Just raising some questions.. Love shouldn't even be a all star in my opinion.. Lamar and Aldridge had a better case than him.. Putting up stats on a bad team is not a biggie if you ask me..

[IGOTGAME]

[/B]


Depends the team... Love would start on that BUlls team over any Center they had...

You saying the Love would start over Luc or Cartwright...I disagree. He is too small, he would get torched by the bigs of that era.

[Kblaze8855]

One bit of that stood out to me...

Dennis isnt as good a rebounder as...Karl Malone? Karl who had a 10 year stretch where he only got to 10 a game once?

Because of finals where Dennis played 27 -28 minutes a game?

Karls only top flight rebounding years were in the wide open west when he was playing those 131ppg giving up Nuggets, the run at all cost Suns, and Lakers, and warriors, and Blazers putting up like 115ppg. Karl was rebounding well...and playing 38-41 minutes a game for 9 straight years. Dennis wasnt playing those minutes. Only years he was he was pulling down 18-19 a game having 2-3 months in a row with 20-21 rebounds a game.

To act as if Dennis is a worse rebounder than he was because he didnt have to score is like calling a great scorer a worse scorer than he is because he doesnt have to also be Bruce Bowen on D.

Karl was just never rebounding like Rodman. And never showed signs of it. Now had you said Barkley...might have a case he could have been Rodman rebounds wise if he didnt also have to score. Karl? Karl was rebounding well when he was athletic and playing a gang of running teams. Barkley and rodmans rebounding lasted well after their hops were gone and it was just instinct and desire. Those guys were 35 getting more than Malone ever did.

Barkley is the only guy of the 90s id say may have been able to be Rodman like on the boards. He had it in him. Karl didnt. Karl got rebounds because he played a lot and they were there to grab. Dennis got a lot because he was just better at it than anyone else and set his mind to it. That guy had games with 34 rebounds...and 18 of them on offense.

Imagine that...letting a guy pull down 18 offensive rebounds?

You dont go get 34 rebounds because you dont have to score. Like 70% of the league doesnt have to score. And bet your life they cant go get 18 offensive rebounds.

Rodman was special on the bards. He had at most 3 peers in my lifetime. And Karl wasnt one of them.

[NBASTATMAN]

You saying the Love would start over Luc or Cartwright...I disagree. He is too small, he would get torched by the bigs of that era.


Over luc yes.. Over Cartwright.. No, cuz Bill had that cagy game and knew how to defend.. Plus you are right he would have been to small especially in the first three peat.. Second three peat Love and Rodman rebounding would be crazy.. Plus Love would open up the game for Mj and Pip... Luc hit 10fters but Love would have Ewing and the other bigs trying to cover him out to three point land..


All in all you can never tell what is inside of a players heart.. While it may look like Love could play center for Luc you never know if he could handle the pressure.. No person knows... Remember LUC cost the Bulls game 6 of ECSFINALS against the Magic when he fumbled a pass from Mj that would have led to two CRUCIAL FOURTH QUARTER points.. Instead the Magic came back from 8 pts down with 2 minutes left in that game... And won...

[NBASTATMAN]

One bit of that stood out to me...

Dennis isnt as good a rebounder as...Karl Malone? Karl who had a 10 year stretch where he only got to 10 a game once?

Because of finals where Dennis played 27 -28 minutes a game?

Karls only top flight rebounding years were in the wide open west when he was playing those 131ppg giving up Nuggets, the run at all cost Suns, and Lakers, and warriors, and Blazers putting up like 115ppg. Karl was rebounding well...and playing 38-41 minutes a game for 9 straight years. Dennis wasnt playing those minutes. Only years he was he was pulling down 18-19 a game having 2-3 months in a row with 20-21 rebounds a game.

To act as if Dennis is a worse rebounder than he was because he didnt have to score is like calling a great scorer a worse scorer than he is because he doesnt have to also be Bruce Bowen on D.

Karl was just never rebounding like Rodman. And never showed signs of it. Now had you said Barkley...might have a case he could have been Rodman rebounds wise if he didnt also have to score. Karl? Karl was rebounding well when he was athletic and playing a gang of running teams. Barkley and rodmans rebounding lasted well after their hops were gone and it was just instinct and desire. Those guys were 35 getting more than Malone ever did.

Barkley is the only guy of the 90s id say may have been able to be Rodman like on the boards. He had it in him. Karl didnt. Karl got rebounds because he played a lot and they were there to grab. Dennis got a lot because he was just better at it than anyone else and set his mind to it. That guy had games with 34 rebounds...and 18 of them on offense.

Imagine that...letting a guy pull down 18 offensive rebounds?

You dont go get 34 rebounds because you dont have to score. Like 70% of the league doesnt have to score. And bet your life they cant go get 18 offensive rebounds.

Rodman was special on the bards. He had at most 3 peers in my lifetime. And Karl wasnt one of them.



I AGREE ABOUT KARL..

I used Karl in error CUZ I was focused on him vs rodman in those finals.. But I think he could have been a better rebounder if he used the same tactics that Rodman used.. He clearly didn't have the rebounding instincts of a rodman, Moses,Barkley, or Hakeem... But he was able to use his big body to fend off Rodman in the finals.. Both finals if I recall... Karl was a good rebounder never a great rebounder.. But in my opinion the BEST REBOUNDER OF OUR ERA IS MOSES... And I am not sure if its close..


It is hard to measure Rodman's accomplishments cuz he was such a unique player.. Most of the great rebounders were also great offensive players..... I tend to give them way more credit... I think RODMAN always had an advantage in rebounding cuz he never set himself up to score.. Still what he accomplished was great..


Imagine Dhoward just rebounding for a team like Miami with bron and wade.. WOW

[rodman91]

I AGREE ABOUT KARL..

I used Karl in error CUZ I was focused on him vs rodman in those finals.. But I think he could have been a better rebounder if he used the same tactics that Rodman used.. He clearly didn't have the rebounding instincts of a rodman, Moses,Barkley, or Hakeem... But he was able to use his big body to fend off Rodman in the finals.. Both finals if I recall... Karl was a good rebounder never a great rebounder.. But in my opinion the BEST REBOUNDER OF OUR ERA IS MOSES... And I am not sure if its close..


It is hard to measure Rodman's accomplishments cuz he was such a unique player.. Most of the great rebounders were also great offensive players..... I tend to give them way more credit... I think RODMAN always had an advantage in rebounding cuz he never set himself up to score.. Still what he accomplished was great..


Imagine Dhoward just rebounding for a team like Miami with bron and wade.. WOW

Malone was really good rebounder on defensive boards.I think offensive rebounds are more important to define greatness on boards.Rodman was incredible at it.Someone as strong as Karl Malone can get defensive rebounds without extreme hustle or rebounding knowledge.In finals it was quite normal Rodman had lower rpg.He was guarding malone very tight and malone is a guy with great midrange.Most of the defensive boards taken by rest of the team.Also sometimes he has been used less and sometimes he had foul problems so he didn't get that much time.Rodman is a HOF definitely. 5 rings,2 DPOY,7 rebound titles.Probably best rebounder in modern basketball.He had just lack of scoring.

http://skepticalsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/image_thumb10.png

[apesta]

It really depends what team these two guys are playin for. But i would indeed choose Dennis over Love for now. Like most of the posters have said, he brings a lot to a team. He is one of the best rebounders in the history of the game. Although he doesnt score, he does other things offensively like passing, cutting to the basket when jordan or pippen would get double team and more importantly, his offensive rebs. His defence is his most important attribute to a team.

[Human Error]

Love is putting up stats but he doesn't add anything to 'win' column. I don't know how many of you have actually watched the Wolves this year, Love very likely is the worst defending forward in the game. Some of you think Love is as good as a prime Moses Malone and it's not his fault that he's playing on a bad team, but if he's half as good as, he should be already making his team better.

[jlauber]

Dennis Rodman in his third season...

9.0 ppg, 9.4 rpg, .595 FG%, 1.2 apg, .626 FT%, 0.9 bpg, .231 3pt%, 1st team all-defense


Kevin Love in his third season...

21.4 ppg, 15.6 rpg, .471 FG%, 2.5 apg, .875 FT%, 0.4 bpg, .439 3pt%


If you want to compare careers, then let's wait until Love has played 14 seasons.

[NBASTATMAN]

Dennis Rodman in his third season...

9.0 ppg, 9.4 rpg, .595 FG%, 1.2 apg, .626 FT%, 0.9 bpg, .231 3pt%, 1st team all-defense


Kevin Love in his third season...

21.4 ppg, 15.6 rpg, .471 FG%, 2.5 apg, .875 FT%, 0.4 bpg, .439 3pt%


If you want to compare careers, then let's wait until Love has played 14 seasons.


I AGREE.. I would also love to see Love play with some greats around him.. That could easily make LOVE a HOFER....

[jlauber]

I AGREE.. I would also love to see Love play with some greats around him.. That could easily make LOVE a HOFER....

BTW, how many HOF players, who played within the last 20 years, had a season in which they averaged 15.6 rpg?

[IGOTGAME]

BTW, how many HOF players, who played within the last 20 years, had a season in which they averaged 15.6 rpg?

How many players have ever averaged 20+ points and 15+ rebounds and not been selected to the all star game by the coaches initally. Seems like the experts think those stats seem to overrate Love historically.

I'm sure Minnesota would look a lot better with Gasol's 18/10...Numbers arent the end all be all.

[jlauber]

How many players have ever averaged 20+ points and 15+ rebounds and not been selected to the all star game by the coaches initally. Seems like the experts think those stats seem to overrate Love historically.

I'm sure Minnesota would look a lot better with Gasol's 18/10...Numbers arent the end all be all.

Gasol averaged 17.6 ppg, and 8.9 rpg on a 23-59 Memphis team in 01-02, and 20.8 ppg and 9.8 rpg on a 22-60 Memphis team in 06-07 (albeit, in only 59 games.)

[IGOTGAME]

Gasol averaged 17.6 ppg, and 8.9 rpg on a 23-59 Memphis team in 01-02.

Are you saying that the T-Wolves wouldnt be better with Gasol.

Its not just Gasol. There are a ton of players that make the T-Wolves better.

[jlauber]

Are you saying that the T-Wolves wouldnt be better with Gasol.

Its not just Gasol. There are a ton of players that make the T-Wolves better.

I don't know. He has played on his share of "losers" in his career.

[ReturnofJPR]

Kevin Love is incredibly soft compared to Dennis Rodman. Not to mention Rodman could always get into the other team's best player's head...without fail. Love doesn't have that ability...

[IGOTGAME]

I don't know. He has played on his share of "losers" in his career.

Well, the fact that you even have to consider it says a lot.

[d.bball.guy]

Real Rebounding Passion>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stat Padding

[jlauber]

Take a look at HOFer Jerry Lucas' career...

Love is a VERY similar type player. Those that saw Lucas shoot the ball, like myself, would tell you that he was consistently hitting shots from beyond today's 3pt line. And yet, he had TWO 20-20 seasons, and several near 20-20 seasons. Unfortunately, much like Oscar, he only won one ring. In fact, much like West, with one title, and Baylor, with zero...he played in the Celtic Dynasty era.

[Teanett]

whoever says karl malone is a better rebounder than dennis is ignorant.
basing only the finals series for the evaluation of two legendary players with two very long careers is ignorant.
the one doing so is not qualified for serious basketball discussion.

[moe94]

Why was this thread even made. When someone says Tracy Mcgrady at his peak was a better player than Lebron, that's pure nostalgia. Saying Rodman is quite clearly a better player than Love, well that's just fact. He has absolutely no case over him. Great defense, unbelievable rebounding, hustle > empty stats.

[jlauber]

Why was this thread even made. When someone says Tracy Mcgrady at his peak was a better player than Lebron, that's pure nostalgia. Saying Rodman is quite clearly a better player than Love, well that's just fact. He has absolutely no case over him. Great defense, unbelievable rebounding, hustle > empty stats.

So, you are basically claiming that Rodman, in his 14 year career, was a better player than Love in his 2 1/2 seasons? Yep, that is a fair comparison. I have already pointed out Love's remarkable edge over Rodman in their first three years, though.

[az00m]

So, you are basically claiming that Rodman, in his 14 year career, was a better player than Love in his 2 1/2 seasons? Yep, that is a fair comparison. I have already pointed out Love's remarkable edge over Rodman in their first three years, though.

Rodman played a different role his first few years in the nba. Defensive stopper on pg/sg/sf.

He didn't become a focus rebounder till later in his career.

[97 bulls]

So, you are basically claiming that Rodman, in his 14 year career, was a better player than Love in his 2 1/2 seasons? Yep, that is a fair comparison. I have already pointed out Love's remarkable edge over Rodman in their first three years, though.
They took two different roads. Rodman was a mid 2nd round pick that had to prove he belonged. Love was a high draft pick and came from a great basketball program. Come J, your better than this.

And what would rodmans stats look like playing today? Probably 12 ppg and 20 rbds.

[az00m]

Leading rebounding since 1973 with 13.1 in 31mins played. Also, if he played the style he did early on in his career i think he would of been a 15-16 avg guy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dudpk_7slVY&feature=related

Look at that pass 1:57 :D

[97 bulls]

Leading rebounding since 1973 with 13.1 in 31mins played. Also, if he played the style he did early on in his career i think he would of been a 15-16 avg guy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dudpk_7slVY&feature=related

Look at that pass 1:57 :D
You know, I thinking rodmman was the best player on that piston team the last 3 yrs he was there. And they avg like 47 wins. And looking at that video, rodman was a beast

[nycelt84]

Dennis Rodman is ridiculously underrated by strictly traditional statistics. His impact on the game went far beyond traditional stats and I'd say Rodman in his 3rd season was a better player than Love is in his 3rd season. He was already one of the best defensive players in the league in '89, led the league in EFG% and offensive rebounding percentage and had one of the best playoff defensive runs of any player ever.

[ZGalifianakis]

Lol what ?

[lilWesleyJ4]

Real Rebounding Passion>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stat Padding
:facepalm @ calling Love a stat padder. Love is a team player on a horrible team.

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

:facepalm @ calling Love a stat padder. Love is a team player on a horrible team.

+1

Just playing on a team with horrible defense, and bad as decision making in the 4th quarter:facepalm

I swear we blew like 14 games because of our chokeness disease

[97 bulls]

+1

Just playing on a team with horrible defense, and bad as decision making in the 4th quarter:facepalm

I swear we blew like 14 games because of our chokeness disease
Its cuz they're a young team. They'll get better

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

Its cuz they're a young team. They'll get better


Yeah we are the youngest team in the NBA.

But still I'm disappointed on how this season is going. We should easily be in the playoff races if we didn't have those 4th quarter meltdowns.

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

Kevin Love 21/15/2 47fg% :applause: :applause: :applause:

[rodman91]

Kevin Love 21/15/2 47fg% :applause: :applause: :applause:

He can have 0/0/0 0fg% rest of his career and i would still like him after this :roll:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6X6wfu5tPJI

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

He can have 0/0/0 0fg% rest of his career and i would still like him after this :roll:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6X6wfu5tPJI
:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

Yeah but of course I'd take Rodman over Love

[97 bulls]

Kevin Love 21/15/2 47fg% :applause: :applause: :applause:
Honestly, I think his FG% should be higher. But he blows alot of layups. And thus helps his rebounding numbers. Similar to what moses malone would do.

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

Honestly, I think his FG% should be higher. But he blows alot of layups. And thus helps his rebounding numbers. Similar to what moses malone would do.

He is a terrific 3 point shooter 45% :applause: :applause:

His post game is horrible and he cant create his own shots

but still he has been playing phenomenal this season

[rodman91]

It's even hard to get 30+ points & 30+ rebounds in a game in Nba2k11 :lol
http://community.2ksports.com/community/storage/media/v/l3/l2565/m2567500.jpg
:bowdown:

[97 bulls]

He is a terrific 3 point shooter 45% :applause: :applause:

His post game is horrible and he cant create his own shots

but still he has been playing phenomenal this season
I just think he does those put backs to pad his rebounding numbers.

[d.bball.guy]

:facepalm @ calling Love a stat padder. Love is a team player on a horrible team.
I blame Rambis for letting him do it all. He does his job very well but I think it's not necessary. I wanna see Beasley do more work.

[lilWesleyJ4]

I blame Rambis for letting him do it all. He does his job very well but I think it's not necessary. I wanna see Beasley do more work.
What do you mean exactly? Love doesn't get many plays called for him.

[KevinNYC]

The wistfully nostalgic overatting of Dennis Rodman continues unabated. Did he ever even play on a bad team? If he had, would that team have become better?

Kevin Love plays on a bad team now. How does that mean Dennis Rodman is overrated? Probably the best role player in NBA history.

[d.bball.guy]

What do you mean exactly? Love doesn't get many plays called for him.
Rambis sucks.:lol

[Batz]

It's even hard to get 30+ points & 30+ rebounds in a game in Nba2k11 :lol
http://community.2ksports.com/community/storage/media/v/l3/l2565/m2567500.jpg
:bowdown:
http://www.merchandisingplaza.ca/images/products/33709/img2.jpg

[rodman91]

http://www.merchandisingplaza.ca/images/products/33709/img2.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_v4S7JvxEcrQ/TN4I1YZi1_I/AAAAAAAAAes/tlVH67JNzrI/s1600/Kevin+Love+30+30.jpg

Challenge:

Score 31+ points
Grab 31+ rebounds
Assist 5+
Grab 15 rebounds in one quarter
Hold Amar'e 14 points
Win the game
:lol

[lilWesleyJ4]

Rambis sucks.:lol
Yes he does:applause: