Magic GM ready to make deal for Zach Randolph

[Anti Hero]

Link (http://www.iamagm.com/news/2011/02/14/magic.ready.make.huge.offer.exchange.zach.randolph )

Would be a scary monster if it works out.

[Andrei89]

Shit just got real

[ashbelly]

So will he be shooting 3 points too ?? and who are they giving up ??

[kaiiu]

I have mixed feelings about this deal if it goes down

[blablabla]

for who ??

[D.J.]

On one hand, Memphis will lose him for nothing in the summer if they don't trade him now. At the same time, Z-Bo is easily the team MVP and will be the reason if Memphis makes the playoffs. Memphis has made the playoffs only three times since '96 and haven't made it since '06. I'd rather make the playoffs with Z-Bo and lose him than trade him now and have potentially have a bunch of picks end up busting.

[QuebecBaller]

For J-Rich?
Arenas?
Nelson+Redick+Bass?

[allabouthawks]

So will he be shooting 3 points too ?? and who are they giving up ??

:applause:

[Anti Hero]

I don't know who they're offering but they made the previous trade because they want to win. They must realize it won't happen, if they're still committed to winning I say, go for it. Whats the worst that can happen, they aren't getting past the Celts and probably the Bulls as is.

[ashbelly]

I don't know who they're offering but they made the previous trade because they want to win. They must realize it won't happen, if they're still committed to winning I say, go for it. Whats the worst that can happen, they aren't getting past the Celts and probably the Bulls as is.


they'll have to give up their precious 3 point shooters, anderson/redick/jrich/arenas/.. Van gundy without those shooters wouldn't know what to do. Also i don't think they can count of dwights low post scoring to carry them throughout the playoffs.

[Anti Hero]

I think this is more about or less about showing DHO that they'll do whatever it takes to make a winner so he'll stay in Orl. Not sure how it works out after the trade is made. But like I said it could be very scary.

[boozehound]

very limited details on this. I would be very interesting to see ho play with a serious lowpost pf/rebounder. I presume it would be something like nelson (which is dumb imo)+Anderson+Rich+picks?

[Funnyfuka]

arenas is a ****ing dead weight.

[boozy]

awful move by griz, but if the magic can pull it off it could be like the pau trade for the lakers. the upside for the magic is huge.

[ShaqAttack3234]

This would be an unbelievably stupid trade for Orlando. I guarantee Dwight won't play as well as he has been offensively. Howard's post game has become very consistent, it's becoming rare for him not to score 20, he's at almost 23 ppg on the season and at almost 25 ppg in January/February.

And you will not win a title with Zach Randolph as your 1st or second option, the guy only made the playoffs twice and that was as a bench player.

Orlando needs an all-star caliber perimeter player, whether it be a point guard or a swingman, Zach will not help them at all.

[hayden695]

For J-Rich?
Arenas?
Nelson+Redick+Bass?
I thought the Magic had a giant boner for Nelson? I may be wrong but I suspect it would be another deal. I haven't watched them much but from what I heard, if they could get rid of Arenas it would be a dream come true.

[ballup]

Wait until Friday or later for any announcements. They can't trade any of their recent acquisitions til then.

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

Another bad move SMH


I don't think Memphis is even gonna trade him. They are in the playoffs race don't go and try to screw things over

[niko]

What is the trade exactly?

[Crown&Coke]

I don't see how they get him? Why would Memphis move their starting 4 on a huge expiring contract for anything less than Dwight?

They don't have room in their backcourt, they aren't taking on salary, they aren't giving Zach away, and Orlando doesn't have any assets?

Pipe dream for Magic fans. But Zach is a black hole, if you want to kick out to 3 pt shooters Zach aint the guy. I've always wanted Howard next to a legit 4, but there is no way Memphis deals Zach without trying to get Howard back.

And Otis traded for Arenas, so yea, he will deal for anybody at this point. They don't want another Superman bolting from the area. Orlando might just close up the new arena if that happened.

[InspiredLebowski]

What, Richardson + Bass + picks? There's gotta be a much better market for Randolph than that if they want to move him.

[Harion]

Otis Smith makes moves just for the sake of moving. and all the while, they are losing good pieces. dealing Gortat was a stupid move. it's somehow offset by getting Hedo back. but they made the initial stupid move of letting Hedo walk anyway. Memphis will not let go of Z-Bo unless the deal is really good.

[shake N bake]

if i were the magic.... i would go after David West.... hes doesnt make alot of money and hes can hit mid range shot..


u can give nelson, bass, richardson, 1 round picks,


for

west and ariza..

[ashbelly]

if i were the magic.... i would go after David West.... hes doesnt make alot of money and hes can hit mid range shot..


u can give nelson, bass, richardson, 1 round picks,


for

west and ariza..


But Can he shoot the 3 though ?? :oldlol: .. You have to be able to shoot the 3 point shot if you're joining the Magic, otherwise you'll be warming the bench.

[Niytrus]

I'd rather see Orlando go after a guy like Mayo instead of ZBo if they are going to deal w/ Memphis... but Orlando doesn't have the pieces to get him IMO.
Would have been better off with swapping Gortat for Mayo, keep Lewis, and find another taker for VC's expiring contract.

I'm not a fan of Nelson, but Arenas has been absolutely horrible, the guy has no lift. I don't think the Magic can afford to get rid of him unless they are getting a decent PG in return. Captain Kirk would of been a nice pick up if they could have gotten him from Washington some how...

[zORi]

But Can he shoot the 3 though ?? :oldlol: .. You have to be able to shoot the 3 point shot if you're joining the Magic, otherwise you'll be warming the bench.

Let it go, he lead your favorite team to the ECF in 2005 without all that.

But I guess you wouldn't know that, considering you just started following them in July.

[boozy]

wait why would orlando ever give up nelson? hedo could run it, but then you have no depth at pg.

[Cermet]

if i were the magic.... i would go after David West.... hes doesnt make alot of money and hes can hit mid range shot..


u can give nelson, bass, richardson, 1 round picks,


for

west and ariza..

David west? They would be getting a little bit better version of Rashard Lewis and they traded that guy so.. doubt it.

[FadeAwayJ13]

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[BallsOut]

Dwight Howard + Zach Randolph = no rbs for the other team.

[NBAller]

Howard and Zbo? That's scary. They'll own the boards. They both basically got their teams in playoffs (maybe maybe not). I think them both being on the same team supported by a shooter and a legit pg, they'll be contending.

[FlawlessVictory]

Magic have to make another big move to be relevant come playoff time.

For their sake, I would much prefer to see a West and Ariza trade.

They could be scary good depending on who they would have to give up for those 2.

[hayden695]

Magic have to make another big move to be relevant come playoff time.

For their sake, I would much prefer to see a West and Ariza trade.

They could be scary good depending on who they would have to give up for those 2.
This to me is the safer move. Trading for Randolph could have a better payoff though.

[Bigsmoke]

The Magic needs Steph Curry. :bowdown:

[hayden695]

This to me is the safer move. Trading for Randolph could have a better payoff though.
Actually I take this back. I feel this would be a worse move. Ariza has been terrible, which I wasn't aware of until I checked his stats for the year. They might like having a defensive wing player though.

[ShaqAttack3234]

I can't believe people actually think this is even a somewhat decent idea. Howard has been improving throughout the season and at 25, that could continue through the next few years, but if you get Randolph, kiss that improvement and consistency goodbye. Not only that, but it doesn't improve Orlando's defense either, they'd become a better rebounding team, but that's about it, in fact, I see their offense declining.

If they're going to make a deal, make one for an all-star caliber perimeter player or don't make one at all. A Randolph trade would do more harm than good. This is obvious, what a ****ing joke.

The 2007 Knicks actually showed some potential, Eddy Curry was even improving a lot, they trade for Randolph and all that goes down the toilet.

[Droid101]

The 2007 Knicks actually showed some potential, Eddy Curry was even improving a lot, they trade for Randolph and all that goes down the toilet.
Oh please, don't even try that. Eddy Curry and the 2007 Knicks were terrible, and would have been terrible no matter if they picked up Zach or not.

[josh99]

I don't see how he would fit into the Magic but I guess Otis has his job for a reason.

[BallsOut]

I can't believe people actually think this is even a somewhat decent idea. Howard has been improving throughout the season and at 25, that could continue through the next few years, but if you get Randolph, kiss that improvement and consistency goodbye. Not only that, but it doesn't improve Orlando's defense either, they'd become a better rebounding team, but that's about it, in fact, I see their offense declining.

If they're going to make a deal, make one for an all-star caliber perimeter player or don't make one at all. A Randolph trade would do more harm than good. This is obvious, what a ****ing joke.

The 2007 Knicks actually showed some potential, Eddy Curry was even improving a lot, they trade for Randolph and all that goes down the toilet.

At this point, it depends on what they give up. If they could shed Arenas for Randolph :applause:

[ashbelly]

At this point, it depends on what they give up. If they could shed Arenas for Randolph :applause:

no one is touching arenas contract.. if they do magic will have to give up more players.

[El Kabong]

I like it for the Grizzlies. If you can't resign Z-Bo, why not trade him and get someone like Brandon Bass in return who you can plug in as your starting PF and is only getting paid $4 million? Maybe you'll get a draft pick(s) and another rotation guy in return as well.

Seems like a all or nothing move for Orlando. Maybe they'll think Z-Bo will do what getting Sheed did for Detroit.

[BallsOut]

Arenas would fit in well with Mayo and Tony Allen. They can all play that Boo-Ray card game together on the bus back from away games. :cheers:

[ShaqAttack3234]

At this point, it depends on what they give up. If they could shed Arenas for Randolph :applause:

No, as bad as Arenas is, at least he won't stunt Howard's growth. They shouldn't have traded for Arenas in the first place, though. Not sure what they were thinking because as bad as Shard's contract is, it's a year shorter than Gilbert's contract. The deal with Phoenix was a pretty good one depending on how well Turkoglu ages, but they should've just made that one. They ****ed up with the Arenas trade.

[zac]

I don't think this will happen. The Grizzlies front office have said they will do whatever it takes to resign Gasol and Randolph this summer to keep everyone here and to keep building this team.

[sipitri]

Is Brandon Bass that big of a problem? :confusedshrug:
I love the guy and I think that he fits pretty well next to Dwight.

[Put Back Dunk]

According to Sam Smith

:rolleyes:

[BallsOut]

No, as bad as Arenas is, at least he won't stunt Howard's growth. They shouldn't have traded for Arenas in the first place, though. Not sure what they were thinking because as bad as Shard's contract is, it's a year shorter than Gilbert's contract. The deal with Phoenix was a pretty good one depending on how well Turkoglu ages, but they should've just made that one. They ****ed up with the Arenas trade.

That is exactly why they would shed Arenas. ZBo expires after this season. I don't care if they trade Arenas for Kwame Brown, at least they get rid of the 4 years left on his contract. If not, the Magic can say goodbye to Dwight in 2012.

[pegasus]

Is Brandon Bass that big of a problem? :confusedshrug:
I love the guy and I think that he fits pretty well next to Dwight.

He's one of the biggest black holes in the league, and he never passes the ball.

[O.J A 6'4Mamba]

Who the hell would Orlando be giving up?

[The_Yearning]

Do it. Send OJ and Zack over here. Magic ain't going anywhere right now. Who cares about the improvement of Howard. If he is legit, he would get better regardless.

[O.J A 6'4Mamba]

Do it. Send OJ and Zack over here. Magic ain't going anywhere right now. Who cares about the improvement of Howard. If he is legit, he would get better regardless.

The question is what will the Magic give up?
Z-bo is in the last year of contract making 17 million. OJ is in the 3rd year of his 4 year rooie deal making about 5 million a year.
22 million dollars how is it going to work. Nobody in their right mind would touch Gilbert Arenas and the 4 years remaining on his deal.
Richardson is making 14 million this year, another bad contract.

[flipogb]

I feel bad for the Hawks if they end up having to play a Magic team with Howard and Randolph in the first round

[sipitri]

I feel bad for the Hawks if they end up having to play a Magic team with Howard and Randolph in the first round
That could be the first time in history where a team doesn't grab a rebound in a whole game :lol

[ashbelly]

That could be the first time in history where a team doesn't grab a rebound in a whole game :lol
:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[Anti Hero]

I can't believe people actually think this is even a somewhat decent idea. Howard has been improving throughout the season and at 25, that could continue through the next few years, but if you get Randolph, kiss that improvement and consistency goodbye. Not only that, but it doesn't improve Orlando's defense either, they'd become a better rebounding team, but that's about it, in fact, I see their offense declining.

If they're going to make a deal, make one for an all-star caliber perimeter player or don't make one at all. A Randolph trade would do more harm than good. This is obvious, what a ****ing joke.

The 2007 Knicks actually showed some potential, Eddy Curry was even improving a lot, they trade for Randolph and all that goes down the toilet.

Eddie Curry is a slouch.. The Magic have no size other than DHO. Getting another guy with some length helps them. If DHO loses some rebounds per game because Randolph is snagging them I don't think its a bad thing.

I don't see why trading wing players for a wing player is any better of an idea

[The_Yearning]

The question is what will the Magic give up?
Z-bo is in the last year of contract making 17 million. OJ is in the 3rd year of his 4 year rooie deal making about 5 million a year.
22 million dollars how is it going to work. Nobody in their right mind would touch Gilbert Arenas and the 4 years remaining on his deal.
Richardson is making 14 million this year, another bad contract.

You figure it out. Don't you want OJ playing with D12?

[Put Back Dunk]

The question is what will the Magic give up?
Z-bo is in the last year of contract making 17 million. OJ is in the 3rd year of his 4 year rooie deal making about 5 million a year.
22 million dollars how is it going to work. Nobody in their right mind would touch Gilbert Arenas and the 4 years remaining on his deal.
Richardson is making 14 million this year, another bad contract.

You're right, but in this case...
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_RTxi8qioOfk/TNBZp279KcI/AAAAAAAAAGM/SRGABWB5X20/s1600/s2wallace.jpeg

[SinJackal]

The Grizz are absolutely not trading for Arenas. I guarantee nobody will. His contract is garbage. Worst in the NBA currently.



awful move by griz, but if the magic can pull it off it could be like the pau trade for the lakers. the upside for the magic is huge.

I agree. The trade seems like the dumbest possible move for the Grizzlies to make. Nothing the Magic has is worth ZBo. Long, expensive deals for players who are worse than ZBo. That's all they have.

What's the point?

[Nets fan 93]

i wonder if there is a way the Nets can get murphy in the deal somehow? 3 team trade?

[ShaqAttack3234]

That is exactly why they would shed Arenas. ZBo expires after this season. I don't care if they trade Arenas for Kwame Brown, at least they get rid of the 4 years left on his contract. If not, the Magic can say goodbye to Dwight in 2012.

Personally, I think an Arenas for Kwame trade would be better for them, Kwame would be decent playing 10 minutes per game as a backup center.


Do it. Send OJ and Zack over here. Magic ain't going anywhere right now. Who cares about the improvement of Howard. If he is legit, he would get better regardless.

Putting a black hole next to Howard, particularly another post player will take him out of his game offensively. You have a guy who is a 23/14, 59 FG% center who makes as big of a defensive impact as anyone, and he's improving right now, why risk ****ing that up? Part of the reason why Dwight has improved is because he's getting more touches and playing 40 mpg lately. There just aren't players like Dwight anymore


Eddie Curry is a slouch.. The Magic have no size other than DHO. Getting another guy with some length helps them. If DHO loses some rebounds per game because Randolph is snagging them I don't think its a bad thing.

I don't see why trading wing players for a wing player is any better of an idea

It's not losing rebounds, it's losing touches in the post.

At least a wing player won't take away from Dwight does. Zach is not a championship caliber 1st or 2nd option, the guy just isn't a winner, and he'd be a horrible fit next to Howard. Pairing a wing player and a big man is a much more successful formula than a big man next to big man, there are rare exceptions.

And yes, Curry is a lazy fat slob, but the guy was showing potential in '07. He averaged almost 20 ppg on 58% shooting, the next year with Randolph he averages 13 ppg on 55% shooting and the Knicks drop from 33 to 23 wins. Why do you think Randolph was traded so quickly? If you watched those Knicks it's obvious.

[LA_Showtime]

Wow; it's an interesting trade, but I don't see why the Magic keep looking for more scorers. They need a play maker... a true point guard.

[Lebron23]

Why would the Grizzlies trade their best player? Zach Randolph is the reigning Western Conference Player of the month.

[LA KB24]

Zach Randolph is never the answer to any problem, unless the problem is we don't have a player that will literally never pass, end every possession with either a TO or a jacked up basket.

Sure he gets 20-10, but he is the definition of a volume shooter. He gets his stats, that's about it. He makes no one around him better, doesn't play D, and is a black hole on O.

[LA_Showtime]

Zach Randolph is never the answer to any problem, unless the problem is we don't have a player that will literally never pass, end every possession with either a TO or a jacked up basket.

Sure he gets 20-10, but he is the definition of a volume shooter. He gets his stats, that's about it. He makes no one around him better, doesn't play D, and is a black hole on O.

He's not that bad. He'd thrive on a winning team if put in the right situation (not Orlando). 20 and 10 is 20 and 20.

[DuMa]

id stick with the current magic lineup. i think bass coming back will help them get some chemistry and make another run.

[LA_Showtime]

id stick with the current magic lineup. i think bass coming back will help them get some chemistry and make another run.

Another run at an early loss in the playoffs or another run at a Finals loss? At what point does "good but not enough" apply? They're the Mavericks of the East. They need to shake things up. Randolph isn't the answer, though.

[LA_Showtime]

id stick with the current magic lineup. i think bass coming back will help them get some chemistry and make another run.

I shouldn't have asked you a question. I forgot you can only respond with stupidity.

[hayden695]

He's not that bad. He'd thrive on a winning team if put in the right situation (not Orlando). 20 and 10 is 20 and 20.
I think your math might be off there.

I was originally thinking about what teams are gonna stop that frontcourt from rebounding the ball 90% of the time, and how they would have two great post options. But Shaqattack brings up very valid points. I think I would rather the trade went through. It would only be for half a season anyways, if it doesn't work out, no harm. Unless they had to give up alot to get him in the first place, big key players, but even then they can shed some salary.

[TheAdmiral3]

Z-Bo is a talented individual, but not a team player.
Those days are gone. He really isn't as selfish as he once was and he isn't a team cancer as he once was. Ever since he has been with the Grizzlies he has done nothing but contribute in a positive manner. I believe the Grizzlies organization even rewarded him by naming him a Team Captain. But really, he isn't the same Zach Randolph you saw with the Blazers or Knicks or the Clippers. He is a new guy. Same talent, but different mindset.

[D.J.]

Those days are gone. He really isn't as selfish as he once was and he isn't a team cancer as he once was. Ever since he has been with the Grizzlies he has done nothing but contribute in a positive manner. I believe the Grizzlies organization even rewarded him by naming him a Team Captain. But really, he isn't the same Zach Randolph you saw with the Blazers or Knicks or the Clippers. He is a new guy. Same talent, but different mindset.


They're not completely gone. He's a captain because he's been in the league 10 years and the oldest on the team until White Chocolate arrived. Zach isn't a guy you build around. Great second option(assuming he's not chucking and being a nuisance), but not someone you can count on.

[TheAdmiral3]

They're not completely gone. He's a captain because he's been in the league 10 years and the oldest on the team until White Chocolate arrived. Zach isn't a guy you build around. Great second option(assuming he's not chucking and being a nuisance), but not someone you can count on.
I don't disagree with your assessment. I don't think you can count on him as a first option either. But I don't think he is somebody that stat pads and puts up empty stats anymore. He has evolved more into a team player as a Grizzly. And I don't think the Magic should be making a deal for Zach Randolph. Of course, it would be a complete ***** to outrebound both Randolph and Howard.

[TrueRob]

The Magic need a 1st option quality wing player. Nothing else will work because Howard isn't good enough offensively to dominate like Prime Duncan or Hakeem.

[d.bball.guy]

So will he be shooting 3 points too ?? and who are they giving up ??
Yeah, there are no 4s in the NBA.

[O.J A 6'4Mamba]

You figure it out. Don't you want OJ playing with D12?

Hell yeah that would be a deadly little man-big man combo. But at the same time I am a realist.
Zbo+OJ= 22 million 17 million of which is expiring.
Who is Orlando going to offer that the Grizzlies want? Jrich makes 13 million, Arenas we all know his contract.

Nelson+ Anderson+Bass+1st+ future pick for Z-bo, Mayo
possibly something along those lines. Because there is no way Jrich or Arenas is going to be part of the deal.

[Nelson14]

Let's gt rid of qrich duhon and orton

[Clutch]

Finally some trade rumors other than Melo.

I think they need a perimeter player who can create shot for himself or a good point guard like Steve Nash.

Orlando Magic = bunch of three point shooters who can't make a shot for themselves + Dwight.

[Nash-tastic]

Finally some trade rumors other than Melo.

I think they need a perimeter player who can create shot for himself or a good point guard like Steve Nash.

Orlando Magic = bunch of three point shooters who can't make a shot for themselves + Dwight.
Nash would be a perfect fit on the Magic.:bowdown:

[gasolina]

Zach is a terrible fit with Turkoglu and Dwight. He's not really good at pick and rolls and Hedo will be reduced to Charlie Ward (dribbing the ball up and dumping to Zach) while Howard will just be hovering in the weakside.

[Naruto-sama]

I liike Zebo in Orlandoo myself. They need a starr big for when Dwightt is resting and Zeboo is a greatg short range shoooter that ideally should open up the paint a liitle or he will knock them doown plus him and Dwwight in the paint is a naasty rebounding pressents.

i know JRICCH is expirrer next seeason but they need too get ridd of Arenas who is awfful and hiss contract is worrrse.

[mamba24]

Only logic in this trade is they get away from Nelson, Reddick and Bass long term contract and get Randolph who can either sign an extension for less money or wait till the new CBA and get pretty much the same. ( less money)

Arenas is earning 17 million dollars. he is probably worth around 5 million right now. If he can get floor time and playing with dwight and randolph and hedo and j rich should get him back to some form. He is playing well in spurts but not starting is taking his confidence away.

Either way they cant win a title with a midget PG, who cant defend.

If they do get randolph they will have a solid starting 5 ...

Dwight, Z-bo, Hedo, J-rich, Arenas

not bad...not better than the celtics or lakers but not like they are going to win a title with their current squad...

i dont think the lakers can win either...its between the spurs and celtics right now...man thats gonna be a boring final.

[The_Yearning]

Hell yeah that would be a deadly little man-big man combo. But at the same time I am a realist.
Zbo+OJ= 22 million 17 million of which is expiring.
Who is Orlando going to offer that the Grizzlies want? Jrich makes 13 million, Arenas we all know his contract.

Nelson+ Anderson+Bass+1st+ future pick for Z-bo, Mayo
possibly something along those lines. Because there is no way Jrich or Arenas is going to be part of the deal.

Do it...Bass looks injury prone....Anderson hasn't panned out...and Nelson sucks. The way he intentionally tried to foul Kobe on that Sunday game was horrendous...his facial expression afterward was the same one on display when he left Fisher open for 3 in the finals. Get rid of guy...dude is a cancer.

Dwight Howard/whoever
Z-Bo/Earl Clark
Hedo/J-Rich/Q-Rich
JJ Reddick/OJ Mayo
Arenas/Duhon

That would be a better team than what Orlando has now. The only problem I see is the Grizzlies will not accept this deal. Z-Bo has been playing too well. Orlando would do this trade in a heartbeat.

[blablabla]

They should go after Trop Murphy rebounds 3 pointers and size baby

[knightfall88]

The Magic need a 1st option quality wing player. Nothing else will work because Howard isn't good enough offensively to dominate like Prime Duncan or Hakeem.

My thoughts exactly.

If only they could make a real push for melo.

[Nelson14]

My thoughts exactly.

If only they could make a real push for melo.
i agree, we need a true PG and a wing scorer cp3 and melo would of course be perfect:oldlol:
but we have nothing to offer the nughgets:(

[ShaqAttack3234]

The Magic need a 1st option quality wing player. Nothing else will work because Howard isn't good enough offensively to dominate like Prime Duncan or Hakeem.

Howard can win as the number 1 option, he got to the finals in '09 and he wasn't as good then as he is now, particularly offensively.

[GatorKid117]

Sam Smith? :lol

I put absolutely no stock into this rumor.

[gasolina]

Nobody's even mentioning the Grizzly side of the story.... Let's see Zach is expiring and Mayo's on his rookie contract. The only reason the grizz make this trade is if we get young talent + picks.

The only player I like getting back is Redick. We don't have one single shooter on the team. I don't even get the logic of trading for Nelson, Bass or Anderson.

[AMISTILLILL]

So will he be shooting 3 points too ?? and who are they giving up ??

:oldlol: Can't believe this slipped by me. Well played, ashbelly.

[LA_Showtime]

I think your math might be off there.

I was originally thinking about what teams are gonna stop that frontcourt from rebounding the ball 90% of the time, and how they would have two great post options. But Shaqattack brings up very valid points. I think I would rather the trade went through. It would only be for half a season anyways, if it doesn't work out, no harm. Unless they had to give up alot to get him in the first place, big key players, but even then they can shed some salary.

I can't believe I didn't catch that. :oldlol:

It's not a bad trade by any means, especially if they can pry away OJ Mayo, but it's not going to make them better than Boston or Miami. So again, what's the point?

[alenleomessi]

I doubt it works, but why not give it a try since this team now is going nowhere

[AMISTILLILL]

Magic need to tend to the logjam at the PG position before they run out and acquire a character like Randolph. You're sitting on the ugliest contract in the NBA in Arenas, who contributes nothing whatsoever, the altogether pointless acquisition of Duhon and the uninspiring play of Nelson as a starter. Prior to Williams getting waived this team was displaying stockpiling behavior you'd expect to see on "Hoarders". Nobody is taking Arenas' contract and I don't see why a team like Memphis would be interested in taking on a guy like Duhon with Conley/Mayo there.

If this trade did happen it would probably have to be something like Bass/Q. Rich/Anderson for Randolph. Anderson, for what he gets paid, is working into becoming a solid backup which I'm sure the Grizzlies realize. Q. Rich is getting zero minutes right now and Bass, though a relative liability for injuries, can be a solid player in the right system. Worst case scenario: the Grizzlies have decent trade filler with experience playing as starters for the off-season. That could prove to be advantageous since Randolph may not even resign with the team and leave them with nothing anyway. They should get something out of his contract, since planning to keep Gasol makes the chances of Randolph not sticking around much higher.

If Memphis is looking to trade him I don't see why they work with Orlando though. I'm sure plenty of other teams could package much more enticing deals for him.

[Lebron23]

Grizzlies front office needs to commit harakiri if they do this trade before the NBA trading Deadline.

Randolph is the heart and soul of the Memphis Grizzlies. Zach with a near triple double performance againts the Suxers.

[dunksby]

Magic needs Rudy Gay much more than they need Zbo.

[ConanRulesNBC]

Howard
Randolph
Hedo
Richardson
Arenas

Wow.

[Scoooter]

Howard
Randolph
Hedo
Richardson
Arenas

Wow.
Not a bad looking team. They'd rebound the shit out of the ball. Plus there's always the chance that Arenas will regain some sliver of what he used to be.

They need a playmaker though. Steve Nash would kill with that team.

[Rose]

Grizzlies front office needs to commit harakiri if they do this trade before the NBA trading Deadline.

Randolph is the heart and soul of the Memphis Grizzlies. Zach with a near triple double performance againts the Suxers.
No, he's not Conley or really Gasol is.

[JustinJDW]

About time Orlando realized that you need size to win in the Playoffs. You never see any fastbreak 3-point shooting teams beat the Lakers and Celitcs

[UtahJazzFan88]

I doubt this trade happens, but if it does, it really makes me have a little bit of sigh of relief, because the Jazz are really close to being out of the playoffs.

[Bandito]

About time Orlando realized that you need size to win in the Playoffs. You never see any fastbreak 3-point shooting teams beat the Lakers and Celitcs
The Magic will be the first.:cheers:

[mikek85]

All of these trades are just making the ship sink slower. It's still sinking in the end.

Magic has way too many garbage contracts and not enough depth. I don't see how they can ever win a championship in the next couple years, especially with the Celtics, Heat, and Bulls in the mix.

People talk about Melo and CP3 going to Orlando... what can Orlando offer? Nothing. Dwight should go to a team with better management and coaching. He could win a lot of championships, ain't gonna happen in Orlando.

[Scientist]

i think they should still give arenas a shot... hasnt been long enough

[comerb]

This would be an unbelievably stupid trade for Orlando. I guarantee Dwight won't play as well as he has been offensively. Howard's post game has become very consistent, it's becoming rare for him not to score 20, he's at almost 23 ppg on the season and at almost 25 ppg in January/February.

And you will not win a title with Zach Randolph as your 1st or second option, the guy only made the playoffs twice and that was as a bench player.

Orlando needs an all-star caliber perimeter player, whether it be a point guard or a swingman, Zach will not help them at all.

But they aren't going to get one, at-least not before Howard's contract is up. Zach will make them a better team, and it could work out surprising well, hell the attention Zach would demand would make it easier for Dwight to work on the weak-side... and that's honestly where he's best at... not sitting up in transition at the lowpost. Plus they would be such a dominant rebounding team...

I wouldn't want to play against that front lineup in the playoffs. Having said that, Memphis would have to be God damned out of their mind.

[Anti Hero]

Last week Sam Smith of Bulls.com floated a potential Randolph-to-Magic deal. While it's unclear if it was actually proposed, I was told that, internally, the Grizzlies have discussed sending Randolph to Orlando for Brandon Bass and Jason Richardson. The thinking in Memphis is that the deal would keep the Grizzlies competitive this season while also giving them a young power forward for the future. Randolph is an unrestricted free agent this summer and it isn't clear if the Grizzlies can afford to keep him, while Bass is due $4 million next season and has a $4 million player option in 2012-13. .

Link (http://www.iamagm.com/news/2011/02/22/grizzlies.have.internally.discussed.trading.zach.r andolph.magic.jason.richardson)

[ShaqAttack3234]

But they aren't going to get one, at-least not before Howard's contract is up. Zach will make them a better team, and it could work out surprising well, hell the attention Zach would demand would make it easier for Dwight to work on the weak-side... and that's honestly where he's best at... not sitting up in transition at the lowpost. Plus they would be such a dominant rebounding team...

I wouldn't want to play against that front lineup in the playoffs. Having said that, Memphis would have to be God damned out of their mind.

No, they would not be a better team. Post scoring isn't Orlando's problem and neither is rebounding, Howard is a better scorer and rebounder than Randolph anyway. Orlando is an elite rebounding team and they'll remain one until Howard leaves or declines.

It's obvious that they need an all-star caliber perimeter player to team with Dwight.

[Crown&Coke]

No, they would not be a better team. Post scoring isn't Orlando's problem and neither is rebounding, Howard is a better scorer and rebounder than Randolph anyway. Orlando is an elite rebounding team and they'll remain one until Howard leaves or declines.

It's obvious that they need an all-star caliber perimeter player to team with Dwight.

ShaqAttack has been adamant about no ZBo to Orlando, and I completely agree with him. He also pointed out how vastly Howard's post moves have improved, and I agree with that.

Zach has never been on a winning team, and he is purely stats, not wins. I'm not hating on ZBo, although I think his maturation has been delayed due to inability to get out of his own way. But he doesn't make Orlando better, he just adds talent to them. I want a legit pf next to Howard, but Zach is not the ideal guy. Maybe David Lee would be nice, or Lou Amundson, someone with a motor that doesn't stop.

Imagine ZBo in Orlando's shoot from the perimeter personality, he would shoot 30 times a game, and 20 would be from 17-18 feet out.

Orlando's biggest goof was Arenas, they would have been better served keeping Lewis as his deal is easier to move, and him and Turk played well off one another. I don't get why Otis did both moves on the same day, if they still floundered, The Wiz would have traded Arenas to them anytime before the deadline? Why rush it

[2LeTTeRS]

It's obvious that they need an all-star caliber perimeter player to team with Dwight.

Would be nice if that type of guy was avaiable, but as of now the only player on the market who fits that profile who would be available for just J Rich and Bass is probably Iggy.


No, they would not be a better team. Post scoring isn't Orlando's problem and neither is rebounding, Howard is a better scorer and rebounder than Randolph anyway. Orlando is an elite rebounding team and they'll remain one until Howard leaves or declines.

I totally disagree. Dwight has improved offensively, but I don't think he is the scorer that Z Bo is. He's obviously more athletic, but thats about it. Z Bo is a better post player and has a better jump shot. SVG could make this work.

[Orlando Magic]

The Magic have two glaring problems...

Little to no perimeter defense.
Little to no proper decision making from the perimeter players.

We need a PG that actually is a PG and not a SG.
We also need someone who's going to be able to attempt to guard the other team's best player.

Fix those two problems and the Magic have a fantastic shot at a ring. Don't fix them, and they basically have no shot.

[ShaqAttack3234]

Would be nice if that type of guy was avaiable, but as of now the only player on the market who fits that profile who would be available for just J Rich and Bass is probably Iggy.



I totally disagree. Dwight has improved offensively, but I don't think he is the scorer that Z Bo is. He's obviously more athletic, but thats about it. Z Bo is a better post player and has a better jump shot. SVG could make this work.

Dwight's athleticism is one of the reasons why he's a better scorer. Aside from his 39 inch vertical, superior length and quickness, he's become a skilled player himself. His footwork has looked fluid all season, he hits his jump hooks consistently with either hand and he can use the glass on that shot consistently, he's become very good at getting good position, his spin move is among the best at power forward or center and of course, being able to throw the ball up for a lob as well as Howard being such a threat in pick and rolls and his speed running the court have made him a better scorer.

The stats also favor Dwight. Dwight averages 23 ppg on 59% shooting(61 TS%) while Randolph averages 20 ppg on 49% shooting(53 TS%).

[Harion]

Magic needs a PG that is actually interested in feeding Dwight instead of shooting threes.

[MrUnstopable]

:wtf: This would be highway robbery for Orlando.... Richardson + Bass for Randolph??!!!??!@@E#RF PKEK Richardson would not be missed because he provides nothing that Orlando doesn't have (Reddick may even be better at this point in his career) and Randolph is a black hole but have any of you seen Bass? Plus Orlando still retains Anderson?! Wow....

Nelson/ Arenas
Reddick/ Q Rich (might benifit Orlando since he can play D)
Hedo / Earl Clark
Randolph/ Anderson
Howard/ Z Bo/ Murphy (assuming he gets bought out)

That team is scary good. Better definsively and better offensively with the potential to dominate the boards. :eek: