LOL @ ESPN showing Kobe's Shot Chart for 60 seconds straight.

[Hulk Hogan]

Jesus Christ... They hate that man with perfect haterade.
They acting like he went 7 for 25 like Lebron did acouple of weeks ago.
And yet they said nothing about it.

This never EVER happens with Lebron or Wade. :facepalm

[Dave3]

What happened?

[ashbelly]

What happened?
Valentine's day massacre

[kaiiu]

what you mean by shot clock. Do you mean they showed his misses for 60 seconds:confusedshrug:

[kaiiu]

Valentine's day massacre
:lol really. How much did they lose by

[Hulk Hogan]

what you mean by shot clock. Do you mean they showed his misses for 60 seconds:confusedshrug:

I mean't chart, I changed it...

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

:lol :lol :lol :lol

where?
When?

Didnt he go 8/20 and wasnt he injured or something:confusedshrug:

[Hulk Hogan]

:lol :lol :lol :lol

where?
When?

Didnt he go 8/20 and wasnt he injured or something:confusedshrug:

Yeah, but you know ESPN do what ESPN do. when Kobe goes 8/20 to them it means he went 4/40. Bron can go 0/20 and they will still find a way to praise him.

[kaiiu]

I mean't chart, I changed it...
oh:cheers: What was he 8/20 doesnt seem that bad to me:confusedshrug:

[Hulk Hogan]

oh:cheers: What was he 8/20 doesnt seem that bad to me:confusedshrug:

Yep. but you know ESPN, they on Lebron's payroll. :rolleyes:

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

Yeah, but you know ESPN do what ESPN do. when Kobe goes 8/20 to them it means he went 4/40.

Sucks to be Kobe

Seriously I hate Kobe and everything, but they are taking this to a whole different level.

WTF happened to Wade yesterday? He choked. I dont see no article on his horrible play agaisnt Boston this season

[Nevaeh]

what you mean by shot clock. Do you mean they showed his misses for 60 seconds doe like?:confusedshrug:

I'm sorry kaiiu, I just can't read your posts without the "doe likes" in there :(

It's like someone hacked into your account or something without the "Shuck and Jive-Jive Turkey" talk you've made famous.

[kaiiu]

Yep. but you know ESPN, they on Lebron's payroll. :rolleyes:
BSPN

[kaiiu]

I'm sorry kaiiu, I just can't read your posts without the "doe likes" in there :(

It's like someone hacked into your account or something without the "Shuck and Jive-Jive Turkey" talk you've made famous.
:oldlol: :lol :roll: :cheers: my bad doe like

[catch24]

I'm sorry kaiiu, I just can't read your posts without the "doe likes" in there :(

It's like someone hacked into your account or something without the "Shuck and Jive-Jive Turkey" talk you've made famous.

:roll:

[winwin]

boycott ESPN NBA NIKE after every HEAT win

[tpols]

:oldlol: :lol :roll: :cheers: my bad doe like
What the hell does 'doe' mean? At first I thought it meant 'though' but you've used in situations where that wouldn't fit.. Like 'this ni66a acting all doe like' what the hell does that mean?

[PistonsFan#21]

Yeah, but you know ESPN do what ESPN do. when Kobe goes 8/20 to them it means he went 4/40. Bron can go 0/20 and they will still find a way to praise him.

Aren't you one of the guys that were saying Lakers won game 7 of the Finals because of Kobe's rebounding even though he went 6-24 FG? :confusedshrug:

if that isnt hypocrisy i dont know what is

[catch24]

Not sure why you or any other of Kobe's crazed fans care. After all, FG% and 'shot selection' is overrated right?

[LA KB24]

Not sure why you or any other of Kobe's crazed fans care. After all, FG% and 'shot selection' is overrated right?
lol

[kaiiu]

What the hell does 'doe' mean? At first I thought it meant 'though' but you've used in situations where that wouldn't fit.. Like 'this ni66a acting all doe like' what the hell does that mean?
:oldlol: it means though. I could say "ni99as be actin real crazy doe " or I could say " ni99as be actin real crazy like" so I just use my ni99a knoweledge and " ni99as be actin real crazy doe like:hammerhead:

[Hulk Hogan]

Not sure why you or any other of Kobe's crazed fans care. After all, FG% and 'shot selection' is overrated right?

I don't know what this has to do with ESPN showing Kobe's shot chart for 60 seconds... and the only LAKERS replay they showed was Kobe's misses. I don't see this being done in any of Lebron's and Wade's bad games.

I mean, everytime the Lakers lose and kobe shoots over 20, they pull out their over/under 20 stats. But when they lose and he shoots under 20, sure enough their over/under 20 goes missing.

The constant hate is just too much. :facepalm

[Nevaeh]

What the hell does 'doe' mean? At first I thought it meant 'though' but you've used in situations where that wouldn't fit.. Like 'this ni66a acting all doe like' what the hell does that mean?

I believe it means "Dough" as in Pilsbury Dough, meaning "Soft". Like whenever Kobe chucks his team out of a game, his fans immediately defer to his team mates as acting "Dough" like.... Sorry had to meet my "troll quota" for tonight :oldlol:

[New York Knicks]

Please Love My Kobe
:mad:

[NOHCP3]

Honestly it's more interesting when the Lakers and Kobe don't do well. Lakers win Kobe has an pretty good night.. Ho hum... Moving right along...

Lakers get blown out. Kobe is ailing and shoots poorly... Interesting story

[catch24]

I don't know what this has to do with ESPN showing Kobe's shot chart for 60 seconds... and the only LAKERS replay they showed was Kobe's misses. I don't see this being done in any of Lebron's and Wade's bad games.]

Showing his shot chart would imply he had bad shot selection because he went 8-20 tonight. According to you and other homers, FG% and shot selection is overrated - Kobe has god-like skills. That's all that matters.

I'm just saying.

[Hulk Hogan]

Showing his shot chart would imply he had bad shot selection because he went 8-20 tonight. According to you and other homers, FG% and shot selection is overrated - Kobe has god-like skills. That's all that matters.

I'm just saying.

So why didn't they show Wade's shot chart for last night's game? :confusedshrug:

[catch24]

So why didn't they show Wade's shot chart for last night's game? :confusedshrug:

I don't know, maybe because Wade is a more consistent scorer? As far as FG% and making shots go.

[Hulk Hogan]

I don't know, maybe because Wade is a more consistent scorer? As far as FG% and making shots go.

Um, that has no leg. Kobe is averaging over 50% in Jan and Feb. So again that's not the case.

So everytime someone has a bad game, you show his short chart, but when others do, you overlook it? Nice logic, thats the definition of HATE. How do i know you are not one of the goons running ESPN. :lol

[Papaya Petee]

I don't know what this has to do with ESPN showing Kobe's shot chart for 60 seconds... and the only LAKERS replay they showed was Kobe's misses. I don't see this being done in any of Lebron's and Wade's bad games.

I mean, everytime the Lakers lose and kobe shoots over 20, they pull out their over/under 20 stats. But when they lose and he shoots under 20, sure enough their over/under 20 goes missing.

The constant hate is just too much. :facepalm


WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE. Do us all a favor go cry and never come back.

[hkfosho]

kobe's done

[04mzwach]

Um, that has no leg. Kobe is averaging over 50% in Jan and Feb. So again that's not the case.

So everytime someone has a bad game, you show his short chart, but when others do, you overlook it? Nice logic, thats the definition of HATE. How do i know you are not one of the goons running ESPN. :lol
Kobe is suppose to be a great scorer. He is the key offensive player on the Lakers. He is known for taking shots anywhere on the court and making them. It's the Lakers...California...HOLLYWOOD. You should know about that. Kobe is a movie star.

[catch24]

Um, that has no leg. Kobe is averaging over 50% in Jan and Feb. So again that's not the case.

So everytime someone has a bad game, you show his short chart, but when others do, you overlook it? Nice logic, thats the definition of HATE. How do i know you are not one of the goons running ESPN. :lol

That's in January and February - what about December and November? He's been great of late, I'm not arguing otherwise. What I'm trying to say is Wade has been consistent (efficiency wise) through out the year. You don't see Wade going 10-20 then 5-15 on and off as frequently as Kobe. Not sure why you're calling me a hater. Just calling it like I see it.

[DuMa]

wow 60 seconds. thats like almost a minute!

[Nash-tastic]

Sucks to be Kobe

Seriously I hate Kobe and everything, but they are taking this to a whole different level.

WTF happened to Wade yesterday? He choked. I dont see no article on his horrible play agaisnt Boston this season
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Dwyane-Wade-is-having-a-tough-time-against-the-C;_ylt=Ai7jvWcksCX58DZV.SKOLIS8vLYF?urn=nba-320854

[Hulk Hogan]

That's in January and February - what about December and November? He's been great of late, I'm not arguing otherwise. What I'm trying to say is Wade has been consistent (efficiency wise) through out the year. You don't see Wade going 10-20 then 5-15 on and off as frequently as Kobe. Not sure why you're calling me a hater. Just calling it like I see it.

Oh yea November when Wade was shooting 13% Yep, efficient as hell! :rolleyes:

Anyway, Kobe came off a knee injury and had no lift on his jumpshot. Plus his mins were way down. His percentage has improved because of his health. Remember last year? He was averaging 30 points on 48%FG. Till he got injured in Jan.

[knightfall88]

I don't know why Wade is in the discussion. We are comparing a franchise player to a sidekick here.

[kaiiu]

I don't know why Wade is in the discussion. We are comparing a franchise player to a sidekick here.
:oldlol: :oldlol:

[NBASTATMAN]

oh:cheers: What was he 8/20 doesnt seem that bad to me:confusedshrug:


pretty normal for kobe.. Kobe stans take all this shit a bit too hard...:lol

[NBASTATMAN]

wow 60 seconds. thats like almost a minute!

:lol

Shit in 60 seconds Kobe can probably get up 6 bricks. LOL...

[kaiiu]

pretty normal for kobe.. Kobe stans take all this shit a bit too hard...:lol
:lol

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

Showing his shot chart would imply he had bad shot selection because he went 8-20 tonight. According to you and other homers, FG% and shot selection is overrated - Kobe has god-like skills. That's all that matters.

I'm just saying.
But don't you respect a player that can give 2 sh!ts about his field goal percentage? I mean yeah he has some horrible shooting nights, but he doesn't give a fck what anybody thinks and I can respect that.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

Aren't you one of the guys that were saying Lakers won game 7 of the Finals because of Kobe's rebounding even though he went 6-24 FG? :confusedshrug:

if that isnt hypocrisy i dont know what is
Are you saying if Kobe didn't come down with them 19 rebounds the Lakers would have won? Just curious..

[catch24]

Oh yea November when Wade was shooting 13% Yep, efficient as hell! :rolleyes:

Anyway, Kobe came off a knee injury and had no lift on his jumpshot. Plus his mins were way down. His percentage has improved because of his health. Remember last year? He was averaging 30 points on 48%FG. Till he got injured in Jan.

What the hell are you talking about? He was no where near that percentage. Not even in October when he was coming back from injury. :oldlol:

[LA KB24]

Are you saying if Kobe didn't come down with them 19 rebounds the Lakers would have won? Just curious..
15 rebounds

[SinJackal]

What's one game matter anyway? :confusedshrug:

Everyone has off nights.

[Harion]

typical Kobe fanboy whining whenever the world doesn't worship his boyfriend. may i ask you a question? was the shot chart true? did they provide a correct chart of kobe's shots? were the facts accurate?

[pauk]

Jesus Christ... They hate that man with perfect haterade.
They acting like he went 7 for 25 like Lebron did acouple of weeks ago.
And yet they said nothing about it.

This never EVER happens with Lebron or Wade. :facepalm

because wade & lebron dont shoot that bad as kobrick does so often

6 for 17
5 for 18
10 for 28
6 for 18
8 for 27
6 for 16
9 for 23
9 for 24
9 for 25
8 for 21
3 for 11
7 for 20
9 for 23
8 for 20
8 for 20
8 for 27
11 for 32

and that will double at the end of the season
this guy is just a shotjacker
accept it and move on

the worst part is he doesnt give a shit
he wont pass
he doesnt give a shit he will try jack his way out of the slump
as long as he gets his points

[Hulk Hogan]

because wade & lebron dont shoot that bad as kobrick does so often


Lebron

5-12
5-12
6-16
5-18
9-21
8-21
6-14
5-15
5-19
7-16
6-16
5-15
6-17
11-30
7-24
6-15
7-17

Wade

4-16
7-16
2-12
4-13
1-13
6-21
7-16
9-22
7-19
6-17
7-18
4-19
7-19
8-20
5-12
8-20
7-17
6-17


WHAT A HORRIBLE FAIL ATTEMPT. :facepalm

[PurpleChuck]

:lol :oldlol: :applause: :rolleyes: :facepalm
So mad...

[rodman91]

LBJ: 48.5 %FG and DW3: 49 %FG > KOBE 46%FG.

LBJ :18.7 shots in 38 minutes per game & DW3:17.8 shots in 37 minutes per game < KOBE: 19.4 shots in 34 minutes.

Kobe takes more shots in less time and with lower %

[Calabis]

Yeah, but you know ESPN do what ESPN do. when Kobe goes 8/20 to them it means he went 4/40. Bron can go 0/20 and they will still find a way to praise him.

No it means the Lakers are 12-12 when Kobe shoots 20+ times, which tends to make people believe, the more he shoots the worse off the Lakers are. Its not hard dude, Kobe is getting older, he will have some great nights and put up a couple of streaks, but its going to happen far less

[Calabis]

LBJ: 48.5 %FG and DW3: 49 %FG > KOBE 46%FG.

LBJ :18.7 shots in 38 minutes per game & DW3:17.8 shots in 37 minutes per game < KOBE: 19.4 shots in 34 minutes.

Kobe takes more shots in less time and with lower %
:bowdown:
:applause:

And the shots he takes makes it more mind boggling

[PowerGlove]

Lebron

5-12
5-12
6-16
5-18
9-21
8-21
6-14
5-15
5-19
7-16
6-16
5-15
6-17
11-30
7-24
6-15
7-17

Wade

4-16
7-16
2-12
4-13
1-13
6-21
7-16
9-22
7-19
6-17
7-18
4-19
7-19
8-20
5-12
8-20
7-17
6-17


WHAT A HORRIBLE FAIL ATTEMPT. :facepalm
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

The funny thing is though, they talk about when Wade and Bron struggle just as much. You need to stop trolling.

[mamba24]

BSPN

iTS LSPN

Lebron sports network

[Hulk Hogan]

No it means the Lakers are 12-12 when Kobe shoots 20+ times, which tends to make people believe, the more he shoots the worse off the Lakers are. Its not hard dude, Kobe is getting older, he will have some great nights and put up a couple of streaks, but its going to happen far less

Which brings us to the fact that.

Everytime the Lakers lose and kobe shoots over 20, they pull out their over/under 20 stats. But when they lose and he shoots under 20, sure enough their over/under 20 goes missing or if they win and he shoots over 20.

What happened for the magics game? it went missing.

That pure bias & hate right there and you said it right too, it makes it more believeable, what more believeable? Their agenda, they have an agenda. They are trying to carry out a plan, Nothing new.

If you think Kobe shooting a magic 19 shots means automatic victory, your more of a dumass than I thought. :facepalm

[Naruto-sama]

Whatt? espn and ALL meddia ABSOLUUTLEY LOOOOOVEEEE kobe even when kobbe goes 7-28fg's theyy still show Kobee highlights and act like hee singlehanddly won the game. Theen if they loose they blame everhyone else but Kobee. Kobee gets ALLLLL of the praisee with media andd rarely the criticicism. I disagree wqith the OP BIGTIME.

[Glide2keva]

Whatt? espn and ALL media ABSOLUTELY LOOOOOVEEEE Kobe even when Kobe goes 7-28fg's they still show Kobe highlights and act like he single-handedly won the game. Then if they lose, they blame everyone else but Kobe. Kobe gets ALLLLL of the praise with media and rarely the criticism. I disagree with the OP BIGTIME.

At least now we can read what you said.

[PurpleChuck]

Hulk Hogan, when you gonna calm the fvck down?:facepalm

[jstern]

I think you're just paranoid Hulk. In fact sometimes when Kobe goes like 11 for 34 and scores over 30 points, they just show highlights of him hitting shots after shots, and then telling you how much he scored. You would think that Kobe had a monster game. I see so much praise for Kobe everywhere, but I'm thinking that if they're not saying, "Kobe is the absolute best of all time," then you take it as a criticism. Stop being so paranoid about this. It's like you guys want censorship like in those dictatorship country. Only show the good, but ignore any reporting of Kobe having a bad shooting game. Only watch ESPN when Kobe has a good game then, to avoid any possibility of them maybe giving out what he shot for that game.

[Calabis]

Which brings us to the fact that.

Everytime the Lakers lose and kobe shoots over 20, they pull out their over/under 20 stats. But when they lose and he shoots under 20, sure enough their over/under 20 goes missing or if they win and he shoots over 20.

What happened for the magics game? it went missing.

That pure bias & hate right there and you said it right too, it makes it more believeable, what more believeable? Their agenda, they have an agenda. They are trying to carry out a plan, Nothing new.

If you think Kobe shooting a magic 19 shots means automatic victory, your more of a dumass than I thought. :facepalm

Dude take your mouth off his balls for a second, the Lakers are 26-6 when he shoots less than 20 times and 12-12 when he shoots more than 20. WTF else needs to be said, under 20 attempts he is shooting 48.9%, more than 20 he is shooting 44.5%(that is with rounding off). Its obvious you are a Kobehomer and not a Laker fan, most Lakers fans know Kobe jacking shots is not a good sign for the team

[Hulk Hogan]

Dude take your mouth off his balls for a second, the Lakers are 26-6 when he shoots less than 20 times and 12-12 when he shoots more than 20. WTF else needs to be said, under 20 attempts he is shooting 48.9%, more than 20 he is shooting 44.5%(that is with rounding off). Its obvious you are a Kobehomer and not a Laker fan, most Lakers fans know Kobe jacking shots is not a good sign for the team

You are a dumb ass *****.. Must wins are blowout so he doesn't play in the 4th, which means he takes less than 20 shots. For example the knicks game. Are you telling me if Kobe played the 4th and took 3 more shots, they would lose? GTFO.

Second of all, when Lakers are losing, then Kobe tries to turn it on and take more shots in the 4th quarter, which again leads to 20.

Its all about context dumbass, must wins happen in blowouts, so Kobe doesn't have to play in the 4th and ends up with 17-19 attempts. If he plays in the 4th he ends up with 20.

If lakers are losing big, he tries to turn it on, ends up with 20.
We can use this same stat for Lebron and Wade and we see the same correlation.

A little intelligence which tell you that this stat is GREATLY flawed, asshole.

[BlueandGold]

It's ESPN, what do you expect? This is a network who believes that none of Wilt's records count.

[Hulk Hogan]

Its funny cause people use the wins to support the over & under 20.

But 99% the wins for under 20 CAME FROM BLOWOUTS and HIM NOT PLAYING IN THE 4th. If he played in the 4th and took 1,2 or 3 shots in those games he would reach 20.

WHY ARE PEOPLE SO FCUKING RETARDED?

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

:lol :oldlol: :applause: :rolleyes: :facepalm
So mad...
If you were a fan of a team that has been to the finals 3 years in a row and are back2back defending champions (5 championships in past 10 years), would you be mad?

[PowerGlove]

If you were a fan of a team that has been to the finals 3 years in a row and are back2back (5 championships in past 10 years) defending champions, would you be mad?
Nah, I'd probably keep referencing it in threads that it doesnt really relate to. Just because I'm insecure for whatever reason. This is purely hypothetical though, since that I know nothing about that and no one around here does this.

[tpols]

You are a dumb ass *****.. Must wins are blowout so he doesn't play in the 4th, which means he takes less than 20 shots. For example the knicks game. Are you telling me if Kobe played the 4th and took 3 more shots, they would lose? GTFO.

Second of all, when Lakers are losing, then Kobe tries to turn it on and take more shots in the 4th quarter, which again leads to 20.

Its all about context dumbass, must wins happen in blowouts, so Kobe doesn't have to play in the 4th and ends up with 17-19 attempts. If he plays in the 4th he ends up with 20.

If lakers are losing big, he tries to turn it on, ends up with 20.
We can use this same stat for Lebron and Wade and we see the same correlation.

A little intelligence which tell you that this stat is GREATLY flawed, asshole.
Yea.. while kobe did play a pretty bad game last night, these guys that only look at his shot attempts as a barometer for his team's success are the same idiots who look at who runs the ball more in football as an indicator of wins.. of course if you're running the ball more there's a higher chance you're winning and trying to run the clock down.. it's stupid. The first thing you learn in any basic bio or math or stat class is correlation does not imply causation..

Kobe usually ends up taking a lot of shots in very close games or in games where his teammates were struggling.. and those are the games the lakers happen to lose a lot more often because they are close games(or games where the lakers are trailing for much of the game).. where as kobe will end up shooting a lot less in comfortable wins because he won't be relied upon down the stretch in the fourth quarter and won't need to take those extra FGs because his team is already up. You really have to be dense to not understand this.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

Nah, I'd probably keep referencing it in threads that it doesnt really relate to. Just because I'm insecure for whatever reason. This is purely hypothetical though, since that I know nothing about that and no one around here does this.
keep?

[kaiiu]

Not hate, this isn't Kobe of 03 or 07, he's older, relying on him to shoot you into wins is bad for the Lakers....1st it usually means that his teammates are less involved and do not get into the flow of the game....2nd Kobe is older, sure he may do it from time to time, but no longer is he capable of consistently going out there night after night carrying his team. It amazes me how Kobehomers(not you) act as if everything is hate, when you not inhaling his nut sack, the numbers don't lie, less than 20 shots 26-6, more than 20 shots 12-12, ESPN didn't just pull this figure out their ass, it may be because it impacts the Lakers overall performance
I aint talkin bout you, but now I know who negged me:lol

[Calabis]

You are a dumb ass *****.. Must wins are blowout so he doesn't play in the 4th, which means he takes less than 20 shots. For example the knicks game. Are you telling me if Kobe played the 4th and took 3 more shots, they would lose? GTFO.

Second of all, when Lakers are losing, then Kobe tries to turn it on and take more shots in the 4th quarter, which again leads to 20.

Its all about context dumbass, must wins happen in blowouts, so Kobe doesn't have to play in the 4th and ends up with 17-19 attempts. If he plays in the 4th he ends up with 20.

If lakers are losing big, he tries to turn it on, ends up with 20.
We can use this same stat for Lebron and Wade and we see the same correlation.

A little intelligence which tell you that this stat is GREATLY flawed, asshole.

Hey moron, did it ever cross your mind, that they may be winning those games, because the entire team is involved and players are contributing, instead of watching Kobe playing one on one...you know the same shit Phil Jackson called him out on earlier this year.

Is it also hard for your blind ass to see, he's shooting damn near 50% when he doesn't go into "shot jacking mode", which he is not capable of doing on a nightly basis anymore......or does that 44% when he does shoot more than 20 times not process through your thick skull as "not very good".

[Calabis]

I aint talkin bout you, but now I know who negged me:lol

Sorry I don't neg or rep anyone, just come here to talk bball

[B-Easy]

media is all over Wade or Bron when they have bad shooting games ..

its well known and talked about that wade has had 3 bad games against Boston .. and that he was struggling early in the season.

But they dont have those games too often .. and almost never back-to-back.


Its why their both shooting almost 50% from the field.

[PowerGlove]

keep?
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/keep

I left out the word "on" but still.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/keep

I left out the word "on" but still.
cool, thanks. keep living your life on here

[Calabis]

Yea.. while kobe did play a pretty bad game last night, these guys that only look at his shot attempts as a barometer for his team's success are the same idiots who look at who runs the ball more in football as an indicator of wins.. of course if you're running the ball more there's a higher chance you're winning and trying to run the clock down.. it's stupid. The first thing you learn in any basic bio or math or stat class is correlation does not imply causation..

Kobe usually ends up taking a lot of shots in very close games or in games where his teammates were struggling.. and those are the games the lakers happen to lose a lot more often because they are close games(or games where the lakers are trailing for much of the game).. where as kobe will end up shooting a lot less in comfortable wins because he won't be relied upon down the stretch in the fourth quarter and won't need to take those extra FGs because his team is already up. You really have to be dense to not understand this.

I agree

[kaiiu]

Sorry I don't neg or rep anyone, just come here to talk bball
naw you cool doe like:cheers:

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

naw you cool doe like:cheers:
u mean cool like doe?

[tpols]

I agree
Do you understand what the point of that was?

It's not that kobe's shooting a lot makes games closer, it's that when games are tight, kobe ends up playing more down the stretch and hence taking more shots.

You do realize close games or games where the lakers are trailing are the games kobe ends up shooting more in.. so is it really a surprise that the lakers lose more close games than they do games that are blowouts in their favor?

[kkling]

This dumb clown should be banned along with waldus. ESPN does in fact talk about Lebron/Wade if they have bad games. Shocking, I know.

[kaiiu]

You inspire me to continue my education. Thank you :cheers:
:cheers: I do what I can to help da yung ni99as stay motivated doe like

[Calabis]

Do you understand what the point of that was?

It's not that kobe's shooting a lot makes games closer, it's that when games are tight, kobe ends up playing more down the stretch and hence taking more shots.

You do realize close games or games where the lakers are trailing are the games kobe ends up shooting more in.. so is it really a surprise that the lakers lose more close games than they do games that are blowouts in their favor?

You guys are contradicting yourselves, on one hand, your boy Hulking bulge in Kobe's pants, claims that games under 20 shots are blowouts and that is when Kobe is on the bench in the 4th, therefore he's not shooting 20 times.

Your claiming that in close games, or when his teammates suck, he is forced to shoot more, to try to rally, or pull out the victory....hmm

Its simple really, you're making my point, when Kobe is not jacking, his team usually wins by larger margins, hence no need for him to take 20 shots, because teammates are involved and being efficient. Therefore 26-6 record on 48% shooting

When he shoots more, it results in closer games and his teammates not being efficient, because they are too busy watching Kobe shoot the ball and play one on one. Therefore 12-12 on 44% shooting

[PowerGlove]

cool, thanks. keep living your life on here
:oldlol:

Stage 2 reached.

[Hulk Hogan]

You guys are contradicting yourselves, on one hand, your boy Hulking bulge in Kobe's pants, claims that games under 20 shots are blowouts and that is when Kobe is on the bench in the 4th, therefore he's not shooting 20 times.

Your claiming that in close games, or when his teammates suck, he is forced to shoot more, to try to rally, or pull out the victory....hmm

Its simple really, you're making my point, when Kobe is not jacking, his team usually wins by larger margins, hence no need for him to take 20 shots, because teammates are involved and being efficient. Therefore 26-6 record on 48% shooting

When he shoots more, it results in closer games and his teammates not being efficient, because they are too busy watching Kobe shoot the ball and play on on one. Therefore 12-12 on 44% shooting

I'm serious, you are so dumb that if I had a gun to your head I would pull the trigger because the world won't miss you.

Kobe takes the same amount of shots in three quarters for blowout games and close games.

So again you prove to be nothing but a delusional hater.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

It's simple really. The more shots Kobe takes the likelier LA loses. From Pau to Odom, to Artest and Fisher―the team looks disoriented and the offense is overly stagnant. The Lakers are winning near 70% of their games when he shoots > 20 attempts.

[Hulk Hogan]

It's simple really. The more shots Kobe takes the likelier LA loses. From Pau to Odom, to Artest and Fisher―the team looks disoriented and the offense is overly stagnant. The Lakers are winning near 70% of their games when he shoots > 20 attempts.


Dude take your mouth off his balls for a second, the Lakers are 26-6 when he shoots less than 20 times and 12-12 when he shoots more than 20. WTF else needs to be said, under 20 attempts he is shooting 48.9%, more than 20 he is shooting 44.5%(that is with rounding off). Its obvious you are a Kobehomer and not a Laker fan, most Lakers fans know Kobe jacking shots is not a good sign for the team

The Miami Heat wins 81% of their games when Lebron shoots less than 20 times.
They are 27-6 when that happens. Plus Lebron shoots a better percentage when he attempts less than 20 shots and worse when he attempts more.

OWNED. Haven't you trolls had enough?

I wonder why ESPN doesn't put up these stats for Lebron. :confusedshrug:

[dutchguy]

Kobe takes the same amount of shots in three quarters for blowout games and close games.

Actually I agreed with Calabis that Kobe needs to take under 20 to win games, but I thought maybe there's some truth to what Hulk and others claimed. That kobe made over 20 in close games.

So while i was bored I decided to check out the argument made by hulk hogan

I checked the games that were "close", meaning within 8 point difference in final score (why 8? i dunno) and because i'm not that bored I took the months november and january (why? dunno).

Calabis is dead on

date / opponent /Kobe's fg / win-loss
5 nov toronto 6-12 W
9 nov minnesota 8-13 W
11 nov denver 11-32 L
14 nov phoenix 11-20 L
23 nov chicago 8-18 W
28 nov indiana 14-33 L
30 nov Memphis 9-25 L

5 jan phoenix 9-17 W
7 jan new orl 10-19 W
12 jan Golden st 13-21 W
16 jan Clippers 8-17 L
17 jan Oklahoma 7-12 W
28 jan Sacrament13-27 L

Whenever Kobe takes under 20 shots in a close game (under 8 diff.) they win. Whenever he takes more, they lose. This goes for 11 out of these 13 games, only january 12 and 16 are excluded.

Guess Calabis rests his case

Wonder if Hulk will apologize and shoot himself instead

[Calabis]

The Miami Heat wins 81% of their games when Lebron shoots less than 20 times.
They are 27-6 when that happens. Plus Lebron shoots a better percentage when he attempts less than 20 shots and worse when he attempts more.

Owned Haven't you trolls had enough?:roll:
U'r funny dude

I wonder why ESPN doesn't put up these stats for Lebron. :confusedshrug:

And again somehow Lebron makes his way into a debate that has nothing to do with him.

Lebron doesn't need to shoot to dominate a game, he is basically the teams playmaker and he is avg less shots than Kobe, but plays more minutes....also avg 7 ast a game, which means he is involving his new teammates, he's still learning to play with, where as Kobe has had basically the same team for a couple of years now.

Lebron 13-6 when 20+att is not = Kobe 12-12 when 20+att

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

The Miami Heat wins 81% of their games when Lebron shoots less than 20 times.
They are 27-6 when that happens. Plus Lebron shoots a better percentage when he attempts less than 20 shots and worse when he attempts more.

OWNED. Haven't you trolls had enough?

I wonder why ESPN doesn't put up these stats for Lebron. :confusedshrug:

The Heat are 13-6 (68%) when LeBron takes over 20 attempts. Now correct me if I'm wrong BUT isn't that a better winning % than Kobe and when he takes 20 or more FGA? Forget the fact Wade missed 3 of the 19 games LeBron took that many shots. :oldlol:

[Hulk Hogan]

And again somehow Lebron makes his way into a debate that has nothing to do with him.

Lebron doesn't need to shoot to dominate a game, he is basically the teams playmaker and he is avg less shots than Kobe, but plays more minutes....also avg 7 ast a game, which means he is involving his new teammates, he's still learning to play with, where as Kobe has had basically the same team for a couple of years now.

Lebron 13-6 when 20+att
Kobe 12-12 when 20+att


Lebron is in this because this is how you gauge and compare. You are just like Gino. You want to use a standard for a specific player and not the other.

Kobe averages 2 less assists than Bron, What a fail attempt.
The fact is, Lakers are 26-6 when Kobe attempts less than 20 shots and the Heat are 27-6 when Lebron attempts less than 20 shots.

Plus Lebron and his bum ass plays in 4th quarter blowouts (20+) to pad his stats.

Deal with it troll!
You just got owned!

[John Hollinger]

Actually I agreed with Calabis that Kobe needs to take under 20 to win games, but I thought maybe there's some truth to what Hulk and others claimed. That kobe made over 20 in close games.

So while i was bored I decided to check out the argument made by hulk hogan

I checked the games that were "close", meaning within 8 point difference in final score (why 8? i dunno) and because i'm not that bored I took the months november and january (why? dunno).

Calabis is dead on

date / opponent /Kobe's fg / win-loss
5 nov toronto 6-12 W
9 nov minnesota 8-13 W
11 nov denver 11-32 L
14 nov phoenix 11-20 L
23 nov chicago 8-18 W
28 nov indiana 14-33 L
30 nov Memphis 9-25 L

5 jan phoenix 9-17 W
7 jan new orl 10-19 W
12 jan Golden st 13-21 W
16 jan Clippers 8-17 L
17 jan Oklahoma 7-12 W
28 jan Sacrament13-27 L

Whenever Kobe takes under 20 shots in a close game (under 8 diff.) they win. Whenever he takes more, they lose. This goes for 11 out of these 13 games, only january 12 and 16 are excluded.

Guess Calabis rests his case

Wonder if Hulk will apologize and shoot himself instead
Thorough research :applause:

[PistonsFan#21]

Are you saying if Kobe didn't come down with them 19 rebounds the Lakers would have won? Just curious..

Im saying that if you cancel Kobe's 6-24FG and 15 rebounds the Lakers would still end up winning...

Kobe's rebounding wasnt the reason why Lakers won. If anything it just cancels out all the bricks he shot

[Calabis]

Lebron is in this because this is how you gauge and compare. You are just like Gino. You want to use a standard for a specific player and not the other.

Kobe averages 2 less assists than Bron, What a fail attempt.
The fact is, Lakers are 26-6 when Kobe attempts less than 20 shots and the Heat are 27-6 when Lebron attempts less than 20 shots.

Plus Lebron and his bum ass plays in 4th quarter blowouts (20+) to pad his stats.

Deal with it troll!
You just got owned!

I'm like Gino?? Also maybe there wouldn't be a specific standard for Kobe, if you and your crew would stop trolling boards, talking about Kobe's greatness every 20 seconds.....and who r u owning, you flawed theory has already been busted by several posters in this thread....the reason ESPN doesn't talk about the Heat's record when Lebron shoots 20+ times, is because they are 13-6, which last time I checked isn't .500 or close to losing basketball and most of those games have been when Wade or Bosh have been out. What's Kobe's excuse??? He's teammates suck and that forces close games, which causes him to shoot more???? Really is that the best you can do?

[Calabis]

Actually I agreed with Calabis that Kobe needs to take under 20 to win games, but I thought maybe there's some truth to what Hulk and others claimed. That kobe made over 20 in close games.

So while i was bored I decided to check out the argument made by hulk hogan

I checked the games that were "close", meaning within 8 point difference in final score (why 8? i dunno) and because i'm not that bored I took the months november and january (why? dunno).

Calabis is dead on

date / opponent /Kobe's fg / win-loss
5 nov toronto 6-12 W
9 nov minnesota 8-13 W
11 nov denver 11-32 L
14 nov phoenix 11-20 L
23 nov chicago 8-18 W
28 nov indiana 14-33 L
30 nov Memphis 9-25 L

5 jan phoenix 9-17 W
7 jan new orl 10-19 W
12 jan Golden st 13-21 W
16 jan Clippers 8-17 L
17 jan Oklahoma 7-12 W
28 jan Sacrament13-27 L

Whenever Kobe takes under 20 shots in a close game (under 8 diff.) they win. Whenever he takes more, they lose. This goes for 11 out of these 13 games, only january 12 and 16 are excluded.

Guess Calabis rests his case

Wonder if Hulk will apologize and shoot himself instead

Thanks man, great post

[dutchguy]

thanx @ j.hollinger


Lebron is in this because this is how you gauge and compare.

But then, lebron doesn't loose 11 of 13 close games when he puts up over 20 fga. Kobe does. So you're whole argument that kobe loses more games when >20fga because it's a close game is BS, see my earlier post.

Their is an obvious (and eerily precise) correlation between kobe's over/under 20 and W's/L's also in close games, regardless the opponent.

Like said before correlation is not causation, but i'm pretty damn sure

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

Im saying that if you cancel Kobe's 6-24FG and 15 rebounds the Lakers would still end up winning...

Kobe's rebounding wasnt the reason why Lakers won. If anything it just cancels out all the bricks he shot

April Fool's is still two months away...

[Hulk Hogan]

I'm like Gino?? Also maybe there wouldn't be a specific standard for Kobe, if you and your crew would stop trolling boards, talking about Kobe's greatness every 20 seconds.....and who r u owning, you flawed theory has already been busted by several posters in this thread....the reason ESPN doesn't talk about the Heat's record when Lebron shoots 20+ times, is because they are 13-6, which last time I checked isn't .500 or close to losing basketball and most of those games have been when Wade or Bosh have been out. What's Kobe's excuse??? He's teammates suck and that forces close games, which causes him to shoot more???? Really is that the best you can do?

Heat are 27-6 when Lebron takes LESS than 20 shots, while Lakers are 26-6 when Kobe takes LESS than 20 shots.

Take a closer look at the post you praised. I hope you can still praise it now when we look through the whole season.

Kobe is 7-7 in close games with differential of 8 points when he attempts more than 20 shots.
Lebron is 6-7 in close games with differential of 8 points when he attempts more than 20 shots.

Kobe is 50% in winning close games while Lebron is 46% when they both attempt more than 20 shots.

OWNED YET AGAIN!

There are more stats coming for your bitch ass. You think you are the only ones who can use stats to come to a conclusion?:oldlol: And yes, you are typical ginobbli2361, who uses a meter to weigh kobe but refuses to use the same meter to weigh his homeboys. The days of getting away with that shit are over.

[Hulk Hogan]

Wait, how are you guys coming up with such different numbers?

Hollinger, I'm glad you tuned in. Unfortunately. If you didn't jizz from the moment you saw his stats, surrounding your self in a pool of jizz. If you rather read his post, you would find out how objective it was and will discover he used only two months he found would be beneficial to his agenda.

Obviously thats calabis troll account, thinking he was going to get away with it.
Kobe haters have gotten away with flawed stats for so long. I won't let it happen again.

[John Hollinger]

Hollinger, I'm glad you tuned in. Unfortunately. If you didn't jizz from the moment you saw his stats, surrounding your self in a pool of jizz. If you rather read his post, you would find out how objective it was and will discover he used only two months he found would be beneficial to his agenda.

Obviously thats calabis troll account, thinking he was going to get away with it.
Kobe haters have gotten away with flawed stats for so long. I won't let it happen again.
lmao you know this is obviously not the espn writer john. I just have a similar name in real life. No relation, no coinciding beliefs in crazy PER etc

[Hulk Hogan]

Enjoy living in the "World of Kobe" dude, its obvious your love for him is blinding your ability to count.

My ability to count? Go do the counting yourself, If I'm wrong then it was a mistake and I will gladly apologize. But since I'm not wrong and Kobe over 20 attempts in close games is better than Lebron, then I simply owned your bitch ass!

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/1966/lebron-james

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/110/kobe-bryant

Go count you bum!

[DuMa]

So kobe stans change the topic when they are proved to be wrong? What else is new

[dutchguy]

[QUOTE=Hulk Hogan]
Kobe is 7-7 in close gameswith differential of 8 points when he attempts more than 20 shots.
Lebron is 6-7 in close games with differential of 8 points when he attempts more than 20 shots.

OK, you're full of sh1t. You can't count.
:violin:

[Hulk Hogan]

:oldlol: at the sudden change of tongue. Is this your ghetto persona? The fact is LeBron has a better winning percentage (68% vs 50%) than Kobe when taking over 20 shots. Why even try to argue the facts?

Because that fact is flawed. In close games is where it matters. Not games like last night against Charlotte. A blowout game in which kobe take 20 shots. Just like in the blowout game vs Knicks, where Kobe takes 17 shots and doesn't play the entire 4th quarter.

Those games doesn't tell us the real truth because they are blowout games.

When you actually look at games that count, deferential of 8 points. Kobe's winning percentage are better.

So we have Kobe better in close games when taking more than 20 shots.
Then we have Heat's and Lakers' record when Lebron and Kobe takes more than 20 shots is identical with 27-6 and 26-6.

It makes you wonder why ESPN doesn't take this into consideration when they pull out their over/under stats. Why don't they do the same for Bron.
Well the answer is pretty easy. It would spoil their agenda.

Deal with it!

[Hulk Hogan]

OK, you're full of sh1t. You can't count.
:violin:

So that's your excuse when you are owned?
I guess that's why you picked only two months troll. You knew Kobe's record was better and that it would spoil your agenda. :oldlol:

[Hulk Hogan]

So kobe stans change the topic when they are proved to be wrong? What else is new

Change what topic?


Jesus Christ... They hate that man with perfect haterade.
They acting like he went 7 for 25 like Lebron did acouple of weeks ago.
And yet they said nothing about it.

This never EVER happens with Lebron or Wade. :facepalm

I actually proved the topic statement. Heat's and Lakers' record when both Lebron and Kobe takes over 20 attempts is identical (27-6/26-6).

Kobe's record when he takes 20+ attempts in close game is better than Lebron (50% to his 46%).
So yeah, I proved my topic statement was true.
What did you do? Oh yeah, continuing your trolling montage.

[InspiredLebowski]

Stop insulting one another, it doesn't lend any credence to your argument.

[dutchguy]

Kobe is 7-7 in close games with differential of 8 points when he attempts more than 20 shots.


OK my count is:
under 20 -> 9- 2
over 20 -> 5- 6


I can't even believe you made me go through the whole season just to find out that you're either:
1. Straight up lying
2. Too stupid to count

This is really pathetic.

EDIT: Oh wait you are man enough to apologize?


My ability to count? Go do the counting yourself, If I'm wrong then it was a mistake and I will gladly apologize.

Cool,
you were wrong, not 7-7 when over 20 fga (in games under 8 diff.) and 9-2 when under 20.
Now if that doesn't prove that Kobe's better off taking less than 20 fga, also in most close games...

[Calabis]

Heat are 27-6 when Lebron takes LESS than 20 shots, while Lakers are 26-6 when Kobe takes LESS than 20 shots.

Take a closer look at the post you praised. I hope you can still praise it now when we look through the whole season.

Kobe is 7-7 in close games with differential of 8 points when he attempts more than 20 shots.
Lebron is 6-7 in close games with differential of 8 points when he attempts more than 20 shots.

Kobe is 50% in winning close games while Lebron is 46% when they both attempt more than 20 shots.

OWNED YET AGAIN!

There are more stats coming for your bitch ass. You think you are the only ones who can use stats to come to a conclusion?:oldlol: And yes, you are typical ginobbli2361, who uses a meter to weigh kobe but refuses to use the same meter to weigh his homeboys. The days of getting away with that shit are over.

LOL, I'm not the one who came up with the meter, a worldwide broadcasting sports network did, also your Owning people for pointing out that Kobe has produced a .500 record 7-7, is that not what was said 20 posts ago......Kobe is 12-12 when shooting 20+ times

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Because that fact is flawed. In close games is where it matters. Not games like last night against Charlotte.

Since when are close games "where it matters"? Every ball game "matters". Whether they're close or blowouts they are equally important. If the end results in a win, what is the significance? If we want to venture in on who's more clutch, well, according to the evidence, the past 3 or so years, LeBron has been the guy to go to late in 4th quarters.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

OK my count is:
under 20 -> 9- 2
over 20 -> 5- 6


I can't even believe you made me go through the whole season just to find out that you're either:
1. Straight up lying
2. Too stupid to count

This is really pathetic.

Hogan if this is true then you truly are pathetic. Why do you feel the need to lie for another man you've never met?

[Hulk Hogan]

LOL, I'm not the one who came up with the meter, a worldwide broadcasting sports network did, also your Owning people for pointing out that Kobe has produced a .500 record 7-7, is that not what was said 20 posts ago......Kobe is 12-12 when shooting 20+ times

And that proves my point this so-called "wordwide broadcasting sports network" are retarded and biased. We already know that, but I'm just adding to their already bad record. If you are going to use one standard for one player, you must use it for every player in his caliber.

Kobe is 7-7 in close games with differential of 8 points when he attempts more than 20 shots.
Lebron is 6-7 in close games with differential of 8 points when he attempts more than 20 shots.

Kobe is 50% in winning close games while Lebron is 46% when they both attempt more than 20 shots.

Your post to the guy who first brought this to our attention.


Thanks man, great post

I guess its not so great when Kobe comes up on top. :(

[TryToBeUnbias]

the OP is kobe obsessed but the "hate" ( if you will )for kobe regarding THIS season by espn is odd.

[dutchguy]

the OP is kobe obsessed but the "hate" ( if you will )for kobe regarding THIS season by espn is odd.

I don't really follow espn bs, but it turns out they do have a point. Kobe does seem to shoot too much at times and it does correlate with wins and losses.
Whether they focus too much on the wrong stats i don't have an opinion about but all the ridiculous counting i did does prove there's a correlation

[Calabis]

Since when are close games "where it matters"? Every ball game "matters". Whether they're close or blowouts they are equally important. If the end results in a win, what is the significance? If we want to venture in on who's more clutch, well, according to the evidence, the past 3 or so years, LeBron has been the guy to go to late in 4th quarters.

I don't know how close games became the barometer...his original point got blasted, so he had to move on to something else and bring Lebron into the equation.......its simple

Kobe Bryant 12-12 record, 20+ shots 44.5% FG
Kobe Bryant 26-6 record, less than 20+ shots 48.9% FG

Lebron 13-7(correction made he has 20/20+ FGA games) record, 20+ shots 51.2% FG
Lebron 26-6 record, less than 20+ shots 46% FG

Does this mean Lebron is better....no....but it shows that when Lebron starts jacking it does not hurt his team as badly as Kobe, also Lebron gets better FG% wise when he shoots more

[Papaya Petee]

Hulk is so pathetic it's not even funny :roll: :roll: :roll: J\k shits hilarious.

[Hulk Hogan]

OK my count is:
under 20 -> 9- 2
over 20 -> 5- 6


I can't even believe you made me go through the whole season just to find out that you're either:
1. Straight up lying
2. Too stupid to count

This is really pathetic.

EDIT: Oh wait you are man enough to apologize?

Cool,
you were wrong, not 7-7 when over 20 fga (in games under 8 diff.) and 9-2 when under 20.
Now if that doesn't prove that Kobe's better off taking less than 20 fga, also in most close games...


Kobe while shooting over 20 with the game within a differential of 8 points:

1) vs HOU W 112-110 8-20
2) vs MIN W 99-94 12-28
3) @ DEN L 112-118 11-32
4) vs PHX L 116-121 11-20
5) @ UTAH L 96-102 10-21
6) vs IND L 92-95 14-33
7) @ MEM L 96-98 9-25
8) vs WSH W 115-108 12-23
9) @ CHI L 84-88 9-23
10) vs PHI W 102-98 13-24
11) @ GS W 115-110 13-21
12) vs SAC L 95-100 13-27
13) @ NO W 101-95 10-22

Result: 6 wins, 7 losses (46%)

Actually you are the one that was wrong. He isn't 5-6. He is 6-7. Recounting it again, I was off by 1 game.

Lebron while shooting over 20 with the game within a differential of 8 points:

1) @ BOS L 80-88 10-21
2) vs BOS L 107-112 9-21
3) vs CHA W 95-87 12-25
4) @ MEM L 95-97 11-23
5) @ MIL W 101-95 8-23
6) @ POR W 107-100 17-26
7) @ LAC L 105-111 11-24
8) vs ATL L 89-93 11-30
9) @ NY L 88-93 7-24
10) vs DET W 88-87 15-25
11) @ ORL W 104-100 17-25
12) vs IND W 117-112 15-23
13) @ BOS L 82-85 10-21

Result: 6 wins, 7 losses (46%)


Lebron while shooting under 20 with the game within a differential of 8 points:

1) @ NO L 93-96 6-16
2) vs UTAH L 114-116 5-18
3) vs CLE W 101-95 5-15
4) @ WSH W 95-94 9-19
5) vs DAL L 96-98 6-17
6) vs NY W 106-98 8-17
7) @ HOU W 125-119 8-15
8) vs GS W 114-107 7-15
9) @ OKC W 108-103 7-14

Result: 6 wins 3 losses (66%)


Kobe while shooting under 20 with the game within a differential of 8 points:


1) vs TOR W 108-103 6-12
2) vs CHI W 98-91 8-18
3) @ LAC W 87-86 9-15
4) @ NJ W 99-92 9-19
5) @ PHX W 99-95 9-17
6) vs NO W 101-97 10-19
7) @ LAC L 92-99 8-17
8) vs OKC W 101-94 7-12
9) vs SA L 88-89 5-18
10) @ BOS W 92-86 9-17

Result: 8 wins 2 losses (80%)
[The only Difference from Lebron is One loss.]


I don't really follow espn bs, but it turns out they do have a point. Kobe does seem to shoot too much at times and it does correlate with wins and losses.
Whether they focus too much on the wrong stats i don't have an opinion about but all the ridiculous counting i did does prove there's a correlation

The whole point of this thread is to show that the same correlation you see for Kobe is identical to Lebron. So why isn't ESPN showing us over/under stats for everytime Heat losses a game with Lebron taking over 20 shots.

You still can't see that with your Kobe hate-shades on. THE SAME FCUKING CORRELATION resides with Lebron. So whatever conclusion you draw with Kobe you must do the same with Lebron. But ESPN doesn't do that and that is the exact point of this thread.

Almost Identical wins/losses with less than 20 shots.
Identical wins/losses with more than 20 shots in a close game.

[New York Knicks]

Lol. Kobe fans are so hardcore. You need lives.

[Hulk Hogan]

I don't know how close games became the barometer...his original point got blasted, so he had to move on to something else and bring Lebron into the equation.......its simple

What this displays is that you have Lebron blind-shades on.
Notice who was the one who praised 'dutchguy' for his great research. It was you, but now you have a short term memory in recollecting it? Let me remind you.


Thanks man, great post

Ofcourse your tone about the findings by him was that it was a great post. But after seeing your response to his research. I went and look through the whole season for Lebron and Kobe and found them identical. Why is it that your tone concerning this research has changed because it doesn't favor your argument anymore? Isn't that biased. But your hand was clearly caught in the cookie jar.


Again looking through the evidence and using the same standards. If ESPN wants to show Kobe's over/under after every loss with kobe shooting over 20 shots. They have to do the same for Lebron.


Looking at the stats in context:

For example in the Knicks game, Kobe shoots 17 shots and sits out the entire 4th quarter. In last night Charlotte game, Kobe shoots 16 shots through three quarters and then has to play the fourth.

What was the difference between his 17 shot attempts in the Knicks game and the one in the bobcats game? He had to play an extra quarter. Like I told you, Kobe averages the same amount of points through the 3rd quarter in wins and in losses. The only difference is that if he plays the 4th quarter he is bound to take atleast 4 more shots.

So think about it for a minute, If kobe averages around 16 shots through the third in wins/losses. That means if he has to play the 4th he would automatically clock over 20.

[SavageMode]

This dumb clown should be banned along with waldus. ESPN does in fact talk about Lebron/Wade if they have bad games. Shocking, I know.

QFT.

[Career .557 TS%]

Hulk Hogan owned all these trolls. :applause:

[Calabis]

What this displays is that you have Lebron blind-shades on.
Notice who was the one who praised 'dutchguy' for his great research. It was you, but now you have a short term memory in recollecting it? Let me remind you.



Ofcourse your tone about the findings by him was that it was a great post. But after seeing your response to his research. I went and look through the whole season for Lebron and Kobe and found them identical. Why is it that your tone concerning this research has changed because it doesn't favor your argument anymore? Isn't that biased. But your hand was clearly caught in the cookie jar.


Again looking through the evidence and using the same standards. If ESPN wants to show Kobe's over/under after every loss with kobe shooting over 20 shots. They have to do the same for Lebron.


Looking at the stats in context:

For example in the Knicks game, Kobe shoots 17 shots and sits out the entire 4th quarter. In last night Charlotte game, Kobe shoots 16 shots through three quarters and then has to play the fourth.

What was the difference between his 17 shot attempts in the Knicks game and the one in the bobcats game? He had to play an extra quarter. Like I told you, Kobe averages the same amount of points through the 3rd quarter in wins and in losses. The only difference is that if he plays the 4th quarter he is bound to take atleast 4 more shots.

So think about it for a minute, If kobe averages around 16 shots through the third in wins/losses. That means if he has to play the 4th he would automatically clock over 20.

:violin:

Again we already did, I have posted it numerous times

LBJ 13-7...winning record
Kobe 12-12..... .500 basketball, his shooting percentage drops, meaning his shooting gets worse, meaning he is taking quality shots away from teammates, meaning they are not as good, as when he shoots less, meaning that's why they put up the record of 12-12, too much Kobe, means Lakers not playing very well as a team....the same would be said about any team/player, if they were heavy favorites to win another title. Get over your man crush and quit acting like ESPN has some agenda against Kobe, they show his good plays 90% of the time.

Also last time I checked they were killing Lebron when he left the Cavs and early on this season. So quit crying

[Eat Like A Bosh]

For a whole minute? Really?:lol

[Droid101]

How long did they show Paul Pierce's 0-10 shot chart from the Heat game?

[dutchguy]

Kobe while shooting over 20 with the game within a differential of 8 points:
Result: 6 wins, 7 losses (46%)

Actually you are the one that was wrong. He isn't 5-6. He is 6-7. Recounting it again, I was off by 1 game.
That's funny, I was wrong? Uhh... we were both wrong, you said 7-7. And I count 5-6 were it should be 5-7, since 20 isn't over 20

But my main point was: it's better for kobe to shoot 20 or less. He's 9-2. Could very well be 8-2, anyway he's going from about 40% to about 80% wins when taking less than 20fga in close games. When taking all games into account you get the same picture, but more robust.

Honestly I don't care about lebron (nor do I hate kobe) I just got interested in your close-game theory and I found out you were wrong, that's all.

But when you say espn is biased (wich they undoubtadly are, they're selling product) you might be right. I don't care, but hey it's your thread.

But then lebron goes from 40% when over 20fga to 66% when under (I didn't check it I believe you, although you're not exactly trustworthy here).

Not only that, the sample is even smaller. So it's safe to say that it looks like it does make more of a difference how much kobe throws up compared to lebron. Both samples are relatively small, but kobe's is bigger and the difference in win% is bigger, making it more significant.

I think these things are interesting to discuss since i like talking about basketball, that's why i'm on these boards. Call me a nerd. But i guess most people are here to prove something they can't prove in the real world and i'm not interested in that
I'll leave it at that, thanks for getting me to take a closer look at kobe.

[Horatio33]

Everyone in this thread is owned, they could have been getting some pussay, cool like doe.

sorry, just wanted to feel like an idiot.

[G-Funk]

I don't know why Wade is in the discussion. We are comparing a franchise player to a sidekick here.
this, no none cares what Wade do

[Hulk Hogan]

That's funny, I was wrong? Uhh... we were both wrong, you said 7-7. And I count 5-6 were it should be 5-7, since 20 isn't over 20

But my main point was: it's better for kobe to shoot 20 or less. He's 9-2. Could very well be 8-2, anyway he's going from about 40% to about 80% wins when taking less than 20fga in close games. When taking all games into account you get the same picture, but more robust.

Honestly I don't care about lebron (nor do I hate kobe) I just got interested in your close-game theory and I found out you were wrong, that's all.

But when you say espn is biased (wich they undoubtadly are, they're selling product) you might be right. I don't care, but hey it's your thread.

But then lebron goes from 40% when over 20fga to 66% when under (I didn't check it I believe you, although you're not exactly trustworthy here).

Not only that, the sample is even smaller. So it's safe to say that it looks like it does make more of a difference how much kobe throws up compared to lebron. Both samples are relatively small, but kobe's is bigger and the difference in win% is bigger, making it more significant.

I think these things are interesting to discuss since i like talking about basketball, that's why i'm on these boards. Call me a nerd. But i guess most people are here to prove something they can't prove in the real world and i'm not interested in that
I'll leave it at that, thanks for getting me to take a closer look at kobe.

We cool. :cheers:
By the way, its actually 20 and over.

[Hulk Hogan]

How long did they show Paul Pierce's 0-10 shot chart from the Heat game?

They didn't. :rolleyes:



For a whole minute? Really?:lol

Yes seriously. They had it on there and was talking about something else. Acting like they forgot... But we all know they were trying to catch as many fish(viewers) as possible. Incase someone went to the restroom, they waited for them to see it.

Unfcuking believable! :facepalm

[Harion]

typical Kobe fanboy whining whenever the world doesn't worship his boyfriend. may i ask you a question? was the shot chart true? did they provide a correct chart of kobe's shots? were the facts accurate?
i wonder when this will get answered...

[Basketball Dirk]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DksSPZTZES0

[rodman91]

On the other hand it would be awesome for Kobe if Lakers & Heat match up in finals. (only if he plays great & get another ring.)

[DuMa]

its okay everyone! ESPN loves Kobe again.

They didnt show a shot chart of Kobe against the Cavs. its all good now!

[madmax]

its okay everyone! ESPN loves Kobe again.

They didnt show a shot chart of Kobe against the Cavs. its all good now!

:lol :D

[Calabis]

its okay everyone! ESPN loves Kobe again.

They didnt show a shot chart of Kobe against the Cavs. its all good now!

Don't think they had enough room on the screen, for the dots, reference those 16 missed shots

[Dave3]

How long did they show Paul Pierce's 0-10 shot chart from the Heat game?
With all due respect to Pierce, that wasn't a shot chart lol, that was a miss chart. There's no point in a shot chart if a player has missed everything lol. Shot chart is to show where the misses came from, and where the makes came from. Usually if there's only misses, the shot chart is useless cuz there's nothing to compare in terms of where the shots were taken (ie: a player is making the shots under the basket, but bricking from midrange)

[rodman91]

How long did they show Paul Pierce's 0-10 shot chart from the Heat game?

Seriously who cares Pierce,other than Celtic fans? Kobe is face of the league with Lebron at the moment. If both pierce and kobe drop 40 points..you will hear Kobe all they..If they fail..you will always hear Kobe all day.If kobe farts it will be on flash news..:lol