More athletic young Baron Davis or Derrick Rose

[Ikill]

who?

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2482/3811055786_b51d292cde.jpg

[hkfosho]

Is this even debatable

[YouCallILose]

Russell Westbrook

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

Russell Westbrook
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2482/3811055786_b51d292cde.jpg

[YouCallILose]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2482/3811055786_b51d292cde.jpg

no..I'm not sure if you're serious

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNhDf9hEpfE

[Euroleague]

I think Davis.

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

no..I'm not sure if you're serious

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNhDf9hEpfE
:wtf: :sleeping :sleeping

you done?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLsaXkMs9XE Highschool Dunk :bowdown: :bowdown:

Look how far he flew!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eOqcPNBNFQ

Highschool Mix!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6G_RRGHzfA

This is not even comparable.

Derrick Rose is an elite Athlete with only B.G, Lebron, Shannon are similar.

[LAClipsFan33]

Derrick Rose is as athletic as any player in the NBA

He's my pick

[YouCallILose]

:wtf: :sleeping :sleeping

you done?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLsaXkMs9XE Highschool Dunk :bowdown: :bowdown:

Look how far he flew!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eOqcPNBNFQ

Highschool Mix!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6G_RRGHzfA

This is not even comparable.

Derrick Rose is an elite Athlete with only B.G, Lebron, Shannon are similar.


Um..I'm talking about size+strength+speed+leaping ability

Westbrook is a better athlete than Rose but it's close. Rose is a superior player because his skills are more refined. Westbrook's game is basically all athleticism

[DuMa]

Baron. honestly. he dunked more and had greater upper body strength

[Ikill]

Um..I'm talking about size+strength+speed+leaping ability

Westbrook is a better athlete than Rose but it's close. Rose is a superior player because his skills are more refined. Westbrook's game is basically all athleticism
Yeah Rose is bigger, stronger, faster and jumps higher

[Clippersfan86]

How about you guys watch the Clippers/ Bulls games this season. First game Baron schooled Rose on both ends of the floor easily.. and last game Rose blew up for like 31 points but Baron posted him up and scored at will. Baron even now at 32 years old is way stronger. Rose doesn't use his strength in the post while Baron is a post up PG. Derrick Rose is more explosive, athletic... than Baron in his prime.. but Baron has always been much stronger physically and is the much better pure PG. Dude's court vision might still be the best in the league..

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

Um..I'm talking about size+strength+speed+leaping ability

Westbrook is a better athlete than Rose but it's close. Rose is a superior player because his skills are more refined. Westbrook's game is basically all athleticism

That is still Derrick Rose bra.

Vertical Leap Rose: 34.5 no step/ 40inch Max Vertical
Vertical Leap Westbrook: 30inch no step/ 36.5inch Max Vertical

Advantage Rose

Speed
That has to go to Rose and its not even close. DUde is explosive like nobody else in the league. Westbrook is Wall fast not Rose fast

[hkfosho]

Um..I'm talking about size+strength+speed+leaping ability

Westbrook is a better athlete than Rose but it's close. Rose is a superior player because his skills are more refined. Westbrook's game is basically all athleticism
Rose > durant
Rose > westbrook

[Bigsmoke]

Davis is fat.

[YouCallILose]

Yeah Rose is bigger, stronger, faster and jumps higher

Westbrook is 6'3 1/2 with a longer wingspan
Rose is 6'2 1/2 with a shorter wingspan

As for your little combine measurements. Eric Gordon beat Rose in virtually every measurement, I guess he's a better athlete than Rose?

[YouCallILose]

You want to talk about leaping ability/explosiveness?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8bicbgT3S0

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

Westbrook is 6'3 1/2 with a longer wingspan
Rose is 6'2 1/2 with a shorter wingspan

As for your little combine measurements. Eric Gordon beat Rose in virtually every measurement, I guess he's a better athlete than Rose?

You still mad Greg beat Kevin in the draft measurements?:oldlol: :oldlol:

[Rose]

I'm thinking....young Baron Davis?:confusedshrug:

That's pretty close actually. Baron just maximizes his strength better which makes him better in that regard.

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

I'm thinking....young Baron Davis?:confusedshrug:

That's pretty close actually. Baron just maximizes his strength better which makes him better in that regard.

damn current Derrick Rose is really getting underrated on these Forums nowadays :oldlol: :oldlol:

[SEEBASS1234]

I'm gonna say Derrick Rose. But I think some people are seriously forgetting that Baron Davis was also very athletic

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

I remember people saying Wall was more athletic than Rose which is way off.

Rose athleticism is really uncomparable with current pg in the game IMO.

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

I'm gonna say Derrick Rose. But I think some people are seriously forgetting that Baron Davis was also very athletic

He was. But better than Rose ................. umm I dont think so.

[Clippersfan86]

damn current Derrick Rose is really getting underrated on these Forums nowadays :oldlol: :oldlol:

Not at all. I completely agree with Rose. His post is unbiased and true. Baron actually uses his size and strength to post up often.. and bang down low before dishing out. Rose doesn't. Rose has the size and strength to post up almost any guard in the NBA yet does he? I don't think I've ever seen him post up. It's the same way I feel about 7 footers like Bargnani sitting around shooting 3's and jumpers all day. He's not using his length and size properly. If I was the coach of the Bulls.. I'd start forcing Derrick Rose to play in the post more because it would be an easy 2 points with his quickness and explosiveness.

[LAClipsFan33]

Baron is one of my favorite players of all time. I've been watching him since he was 16...

Rose is more athletic than he has ever been

Rose is a freakshow

[Rose]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHGJD1JLu5g
Rose might never do some of those dunks.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9Sgyt-TquE&feature=related
Be amazed.

[Clippersfan86]

I'm thinking....young Baron Davis?:confusedshrug:

That's pretty close actually. Baron just maximizes his strength better which makes him better in that regard.

I respect the fact that you're always very unbiased with your posts, even ones about the Bulls players. I'm repping you. I agree though that Baron maximizes his strength more. I think Rose is more athletic overall...

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

Not at all. I completely agree with Rose. His post is unbiased and true. Baron actually uses his size and strength to post up often.. and bang down low before dishing out. Rose doesn't. Rose has the size and strength to post up almost any guard in the NBA yet does he? I don't think I've ever seen him post up. It's the same way I feel about 7 footers like Bargnani sitting around shooting 3's and jumpers all day. He's not using his length and size properly. If I was the coach of the Bulls.. I'd start forcing Derrick Rose to play in the post more because it would be an easy 2 points with his quickness and explosiveness.

I was talking bout the athleticism not the post up game.

[Rose]

Not at all. I completely agree with Rose. His post is unbiased and true. Baron actually uses his size and strength to post up often.. and bang down low before dishing out. Rose doesn't. Rose has the size and strength to post up almost any guard in the NBA yet does he? I don't think I've ever seen him post up. It's the same way I feel about 7 footers like Bargnani sitting around shooting 3's and jumpers all day. He's not using his length and size properly. If I was the coach of the Bulls.. I'd start forcing Derrick Rose to play in the post more because it would be an easy 2 points with his quickness and explosiveness.
I actually seldom see Rose post up, granted most young guards don't utilize that, it happens once they age a bit. see: Chauncey, Kobe, etc etc. I think he'll do it one day, but young Baron did that, and honestly was one of the best at it.

[Rose]

I respect the fact that you're always very unbiased with your posts, even ones about the Bulls players. I'm repping you. I agree though that Baron maximizes his strength more. I think Rose is more athletic overall...
Thanks

Overall Rose is better with the ball, faster, can probably jump about as high, and has the better handles
Baron, strength, is slightly slower, and is probably a better dunker, because he can go from further out.

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHGJD1JLu5g
Rose might never do some of those dunks.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9Sgyt-TquE&feature=related
Be amazed.
http://balljunkie.com/wp-content/uploads/cache/9817_NpAdvSinglePhoto.jpg

http://www.gifsoup.com/view2/1321330/reverse-layup-derrick-rose-o.gif
SHow me a clip of Baron doing this

http://www.gifsoup.com/view3/1419472/derrick-rose-dunk-o.gif
This dunk alone beats out anybody in the league>

http://www.gifsoup.com/view/311719/derrick-rose-sick-vs-atl-o.gif
Really? Seriously is that legal?

http://www.gifsoup.com/view/310522/derrick-rose-reverse-dunk-o.gif
Double Pump :applause:

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

Not even comparable^^

Those stuff right there.

Speed
ExplosiveNESS
Body Control
Hang Time ala Jordan:pimp:

[Clippersfan86]

Thanks

Overall Rose is better with the ball, faster, can probably jump about as high, and has the better handles
Baron, strength, is slightly slower, and is probably a better dunker, because he can go from further out.

YW.

[Rose]

Actually Baron did a lot of those.

[Rose]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHGJD1JLu5g

My favorite is at 1:30-ish

[DeronMillsap]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHGJD1JLu5g
Rose might never do some of those dunks.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9Sgyt-TquE&feature=related
Be amazed.
B-Dizzle was the man when he was with the Hornets. :applause:

Charlotte Hornets >>>>> New Orleans Hornets

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

Actually Baron did a lot of those.

Where are all the Rose homers @?

They know what I'm talking about.

Rose is absolutely the most explosive/athletic point guard of all time!!

[Clippersfan86]

Rose is the superior athlete no question. He jumps a lot higher, he's quicker, he's more explosive... so the answer is he's the more athletic player even than prime Baron. I almost wish this was a straight comparison though because prime Baron is clearly the better all around PG. Better ball handler, better playmaker, better passer, better post game, better defender, almost equal scorer, clutch.. list goes on. Baron Davis even now is the better PG, though not the better player currently. Baron is the craftiest PG in the game right next to Nash. His ability to see an opening and create a play is unrivaled. His ballhandling is the best in the league. He can break down any defender and just lull them to sleep. Not super quick on a crossover like Derrick Rose.. but he just destroys people with his ball handling/penetration ability. Even this season at 32 years old he's unguardable. He's averaging 22 ppg, 9 apg, 5 rpg, 2.5 spg, 1 bpg on efficient shooting the last 6 or 7 games. He's on a tear.

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

Like for example 90% of all Rose lay-ups he puts in are outrageous!! HE DOES IT LIKE NOBODY Else in the League.

Seriously this discussion shouldn't even be comparable

[Rose]

B-Dizzle was the man when he was with the Hornets. :applause:

Charlotte Hornets >>>>> New Orleans Hornets
Exactly.

actually hornets Baron Davis, might be one of my favorite players. Although his best highlight(for me) is when he was with NO and assaulted prime Jermaine O'neal on that dunk.

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

Rose is the superior athlete no question. He jumps a lot higher, he's quicker, he's more explosive... so the answer is he's the more athletic player even than prime Baron. I almost wish this was a straight comparison though because prime Baron is clearly the better all around PG. Better ball handler, better playmaker, better passer, better post game, better defender, almost equal scorer, clutch.. list goes on. Baron Davis even now is the better PG, though not the better player currently. Baron is the craftiest PG in the game right next to Nash. His ability to see an opening and create a play is unrivaled. His ballhandling is the best in the league. He can break down any defender and just lull them to sleep. Not super quick on a crossover like Derrick Rose.. but he just destroys people with his ball handling/penetration ability. Even this season at 32 years old he's unguardable. He's averaging 22 ppg, 9 apg, 5 rpg, 2.5 spg, 1 bpg on efficient shooting the last 6 or 7 games. He's on a tear.


HOMER:rolleyes:

btw CP3 and D-Will say hi

[Rose]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgdyWZqTM3U

Behold OIAD, D-rose 1.0.

And yes that's right I'm totally siding with Bill Simmons on this one.:oldlol:

[Ikill]

Westbrook is 6'3 1/2 with a longer wingspan
Rose is 6'2 1/2 with a shorter wingspan

As for your little combine measurements. Eric Gordon beat Rose in virtually every measurement, I guess he's a better athlete than Rose?
Rose is an inch shorter but his wingspan is an inch longer 6'8 compared to 6'7
Westbrook's standing reach is one inch longer but Rose is heavier so there about equal everything else Rose. Oh yeah and Eric Gordon is a freak athlete too

[kaiiu]

Derrick Rose

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgdyWZqTM3U

Behold OIAD, D-rose 1.0.

And yes that's right I'm totally siding with Bill Simmons on this one.:oldlol:
umm :wtf: is that?

Dude not even more athletic than Love and you expect me to watch the whole thing:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

LOL @ Rose 1.0

should be Pargo 1.0 @ his prime

[Clippersfan86]

HOMER:rolleyes:

btw CP3 and D-Will say hi

I said Rose is better player.. Baron is the better POINT GUARD. Meaning his point guard instincts and skills are better than Rose's. Baron's court vision and playmaking I'd put against any player in the league including CP3 and Deron. Baron is up for the skills competition even this year at 32 years old.. so obviously many people probably feel the same. Watch the Clippers more and you'll understand my point.

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

Rose is an inch shorter but his wingspan is an inch longer 6'8 compared to 6'7
Westbrook's standing reach is one inch longer but Rose is heavier so there about equal everything else Rose. Oh yeah and Eric Gordon is a freak athlete too
:cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

Ikill what dawg


This is what I'm talking about. My boi knows that deal:pimp:

Yeah E.J is a beast. I swear he and Rose put some next shiit on their legs to jump so high:oldlol: and why are the measurements and vertical leap so comparable?

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

I said Rose is better player.. Baron is the better POINT GUARD. Meaning his point guard instincts and skills are better than Rose's. Baron's court vision and playmaking I'd put against any player in the league including CP3 and Deron. Baron is up for the skills competition even this year at 32 years old.. so obviously many people probably feel the same. Watch the Clippers more and you'll understand my point.

I watch Clipper games.

But seriously Better than CP3 and Deron?

You better start watching some Jazz and Hornets games bra.

[lefthook00]

If Rose lost his athleticism right now he would be completely worthless. WORTHLESS.

[Clippersfan86]

I watch Clipper games.

But seriously Better than CP3 and Deron?

You better start watching some Jazz and Hornets games bra.

CP3 and Deron are 2 of my favorite players.. and Deron may be my 2nd favorite right now after Griffin. I've watched plenty of them. Baron Davis is better than BOTH at creating something out of nothing. Sure Deron and CP3 are amazing passers and PG's (still best 2 PG's in game IMO) but... I've never seen them have nowhere to go.. and still make an incredible play like Baron multiple times every game. For example Baron will cut to the rim.. get trapped by 3 defenders... no clear vision of a teammate to pass to.. and still find a way to fire a laser pass around the defenders to a teammate on the 3 point line for the assist. Deron and CP3 are better players I'm not even daring to suggest Baron is equal overall. What I am saying is Baron's court vision, playmaking and ballhandling is their level or better.

[Rose]

umm :wtf: is that?

Dude not even more athletic than Love and you expect me to watch the whole thing:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

LOL @ Rose 1.0

should be Pargo 1.0 @ his prime
:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm


One day you'll learn.

[Ikill]

Thanks

Overall Rose is better with the ball, faster, can probably jump about as high, and has the better handles
Baron, strength, is slightly slower, and is probably a better dunker, because he can go from further out.
better handles i'm not sure about that, Baron has the edge in strength, and Rose has the edge in body control everything else is about equal speed quickness and vertical. Thats why i asked this question they seem really close.

[DeronMillsap]

Exactly.

actually hornets Baron Davis, might be one of my favorite players. Although his best highlight(for me) is when he was with NO and assaulted prime Jermaine O'neal on that dunk.
Those 1998-2002 Hornets were my second favorite team. Davis came in 1999, I think.

They were such overachievers for a mediocre roster. Davis, Wesley, Mashburn(injury-prone), Divac, PJ Brown, Mason...a few key names from that last era of the Charlotte Hornets.

His had two triple-doubles in a playoff against T-Mac and the Magic. LOL He nearly swept T-Mac that series. :roll:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyR2ATfPISM

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm


One day you'll learn.

:oldlol: :oldlol:
I'd admit, I skimmed threw the video.

It was boring and the dude was only dribbling with his right hand and he had no explosiveness like Rose so I dont see the comparison being valid

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

CP3 and Deron are 2 of my favorite players.. and Deron may be my 2nd favorite right now after Griffin. I've watched plenty of them. Baron Davis is better than BOTH at creating something out of nothing. Sure Deron and CP3 are amazing passers and PG's (still best 2 PG's in game IMO) but... I've never seen them have nowhere to go.. and still make an incredible play like Baron multiple times every game. For example Baron will cut to the rim.. get trapped by 3 defenders... no clear vision of a teammate to pass to.. and still find a way to fire a laser pass around the defenders to a teammate on the 3 point line for the assist. Deron and CP3 are better players I'm not even daring to suggest Baron is equal overall. What I am saying is Baron's court vision, playmaking and ballhandling is their level or better.

http://i53.tinypic.com/311s40x.gif

[Rose]

better handles i'm not sure about that, Baron has the edge in strength, and Rose has the edge in body control everything else is about equal speed quickness and vertical. Thats why i asked this question they seem really close.
I gave Rose the handles because he plays lower to the ground. and like you said most of it's debatable.

[Monkey D Dragon]

HOMER:rolleyes:

btw CP3 and D-Will say hi


Please get off Roses nuts

Im glad many of you remember how sick BDiddy was back in Hornet days.

I believe its a toss up for now Baron was a lot more stronger then Rose but rose Quick. As of now I lean more towards Baron side only because he was straight up Dunking on centers which takes a lot of body control and str. As for Rose its more of a Quick explosive dunk. Rose needs couple more years do develop some upper body str, he still a baby.

Kids like you over rate new players so Fast its amazing.

Rose and Wade is most Athletic guards right now.

Fuccck SB,BG,RB

[Ikill]

CP3 and Deron are 2 of my favorite players.. and Deron may be my 2nd favorite right now after Griffin. I've watched plenty of them. Baron Davis is better than BOTH at creating something out of nothing. Sure Deron and CP3 are amazing passers and PG's (still best 2 PG's in game IMO) but... I've never seen them have nowhere to go.. and still make an incredible play like Baron multiple times every game. For example Baron will cut to the rim.. get trapped by 3 defenders... no clear vision of a teammate to pass to.. and still find a way to fire a laser pass around the defenders to a teammate on the 3 point line for the assist. Deron and CP3 are better players I'm not even daring to suggest Baron is equal overall. What I am saying is Baron's court vision, playmaking and ballhandling is their level or better.
I agree and Barons my 3rd favorite player of all time after Rose and Wade

[Rose]

Those 1998-2002 Hornets were my second favorite team. Davis came in 1999, I think.

They were such overachievers for a mediocre roster. Davis, Wesley, Mashburn(injury-prone), Divac, PJ Brown, Mason...a few key names from that last era of the Charlotte Hornets.

His triple-double playoff against T-Mac and the Magic. LOL He nearly swept T-Mac that series. :roll:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyR2ATfPISM
Ahh watching highlights now. And yeah they wayyyy overachieved. Good team though, despite all that.

[Clippersfan86]

I'm sensing Beasley is about to jump ship and become a Bulls fan the way he's kissing Rose's ass. Seriously dude come off it.

[Monkey D Dragon]

I'm sensing Beasley is about to jump ship and become a Bulls fan the way he's kissing Rose's ass. Seriously dude come off it.


Forreal fagggot c u m off Roses nut sack

[Clippersfan86]

Yea those Hornets were fun. I remember in NBA 2K and 2k1... I used to always play with the Hornets or the Magic for T mac. The early 00's were so awesome! Steve Francis, Baron Davis, Kobe, Shaq, T Mac, Vince Carter, Sheed, Jordan on the Wizards... it was a very good time for basketball. Damnit now I need to go out and buy another Dreamcast and NBA 2k and 2k1.

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

I gave Rose the handles because he plays lower to the ground. and like you said most of it's debatable.

handles I'm not so sure about.

Baron was nasty with the rock.

I'd give that to B.Diddy

[Ikill]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHGJD1JLu5g
Rose might never do some of those dunks.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9Sgyt-TquE&feature=related
Be amazed.
the court vision and ball handling :bowdown: Some clipper fan said Baron might have the best ball handling and court vision in the NBA i think that might be true.

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

I'm sensing Beasley is about to jump ship and become a Bulls fan the way he's kissing Rose's ass. Seriously dude come off it.
:oldlol: :oldlol:

Beasley fan since 05:pimp:


The hallmark of Beasley's game is versatility. He is a 6-foot-9 combo forward with both a powerful game and a finesse game. The future of the NBA calls for forwards who can run, defend multiple positions and stretch the defense on the offensive end. Beasley fits this mold to a tee. He is effective in transition both as a finisher and handler. He is capable of switching on the high ball screen and guarding a perimeter player while also capable of banging down low against the big boys. Offensively, he can score at all three levels and is a terrific scorer and passer off the dribble, causing match up problems for his opponents.

:cheers: :pimp:

[Rose]

Those 1998-2002 Hornets were my second favorite team. Davis came in 1999, I think.

They were such overachievers for a mediocre roster. Davis, Wesley, Mashburn(injury-prone), Divac, PJ Brown, Mason...a few key names from that last era of the Charlotte Hornets.

His had two triple-doubles in a playoff against T-Mac and the Magic. LOL He nearly swept T-Mac that series. :roll:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyR2ATfPISM
THAT THREE!!!:bowdown: :bowdown:

Totally should have counted, not even debatable :lol

[Clippersfan86]

the court vision and ball handling :bowdown: Some clipper fan said Baron might have the best ball handling and court vision in the NBA i think that might be true.

Baron Davis is the flashiest PG I've seen maybe ever in pro ball too lol. Check this out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYXi0Dv8XCM

[M.V.P]

While Baron was always deceptively quick and agile, Rose to me seems more explosively quick, and I'm pretty sure he can match the strength of Baron relatively well. For that reason, I'd give the advantage to Rose.

[KevinNYC]

:wtf: :sleeping :sleeping

you done?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLsaXkMs9XE Highschool Dunk :bowdown: :bowdown:

Look how far he flew!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eOqcPNBNFQ

Highschool Mix!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6G_RRGHzfA

This is not even comparable.

Derrick Rose is an elite Athlete with only B.G, Lebron, Shannon are similar.

This was recommned by YouTube after one of your links. Nasty dunk by Rose. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JryX_c8sl4w&NR=1&feature=fvwp) What I like about this clip is the defender had a legitimate chance to block it on an average player. A lot of these clips where someone has been "posterized" they are out of position or behind the play. Not this one.

[DeronMillsap]

Ahh watching highlights now. And yeah they wayyyy overachieved. Good team though, despite all that.
For real...I bet kids don't even remember or know who Elden Campbell is and he was their starting center. :lol

PG: Davis
SG: Wesley
SF: Monster Mash
PF: PJ Brown
C: Campbell

How the hell did they become a 2nd round team for those seasons with that line up? Davis was only in his sophomore season.

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

Baron Davis is the flashiest PG I've seen maybe ever in pro ball too lol. Check this out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYXi0Dv8XCM

Jason WIlliams @ his prime is comparable :cheers:

[FKAri]

Baron (is)was stronger, Rose is faster. Hard to compare.

Simply stating a vertical # and a weight # doesn't mean much.

[Rose]

For real...I bet kids don't even remember or know who Elden Campbell is and he was their starting center. :lol

PG: Davis
SG: Wesley
SF: Monster Mash
PF: PJ Brown
C: Campbell

How the hell did they become a 2nd round team for those seasons with that line up? Davis was only in his sophomore season.
Monster mash. Entirely the reason! Actually PJ Brown at the time was really good. And that frontcourt was more than solid defensively. Which at the time was pretty handy. So i guess that's how.

[Clippersfan86]

This kind of pass is common for Baron. When Rose or Deron and CP3 start making these passes multiple times a game.. I'll believe they have better court vision and handles. Deron Williams is very close to Baron... but CP3 looks to score a lot more than Deron and Baron do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FtoB-ZRlU4

[Clippersfan86]

Jason WIlliams @ his prime is comparable :cheers:

For flash overall yea. For flash while being effective? No way in hell. Jason Williams was a low IQ PG who sacrificed efficiency for flair often times. Baron is flashy and still makes the right play.

[DeronMillsap]

Monster mash. Entirely the reason! Actually PJ Brown at the time was really good. And that frontcourt was more than solid defensively. Which at the time was pretty handy. So i guess that's how.
Yeah, Brown and Campbell was actually a defensive PF-C combo. And David Wesley was pretty good too back then.

And the East was a kinda weak too so that's probably why they had success.

I miss that Charlotte Hornets era(1998-02), they were better than the Zo-LJ-Mugsy years. Wish they never moved to NOLA.

[Rose]

This kind of pass is common for Baron. When Rose or Deron and CP3 start making these passes multiple times a game.. I'll believe they have better court vision and handles. Deron Williams is very close to Baron... but CP3 looks to score a lot more than Deron and Baron do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FtoB-ZRlU4
I disagree. CP3 looks to pass more than anyone else now. And Deron and Cp3 make those passes already, CP3 multiple times a game.

[chips93]

a motivated yound davis > rose, but he wasnt consistently motivated, so d-rose

[Rose]

Yeah, Brown and Campbell was actually a defensive PF-C combo.

And David Wesley was pretty good too back then.

I miss that Charlotte Hornets era(1998-02), they were better than the Zo-LJ-Mugsy years. Wish they never moved to NOLA.
Stupid Shinn. Do you live in NC?

and I liked David Wesley, solid 3-4 option guy.

[Clippersfan86]

More of Baron's sick passes/ court vision.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbn1H4cGXZ8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4qpgBrHXzw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4kcwr1aNvw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CJHue02GGk

Also let's not forget how amazing he is with alley oop connections. He's part of the best oop combo in league history quite possibly.

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

For flash overall yea. For flash while being effective? No way in hell. Jason Williams was a low IQ PG who sacrificed efficiency for flair often times. Baron is flashy and still makes the right play.

:rolleyes:

Between the two the IQ are similar. Taking dumbs shots, bad passes @ times. :confusedshrug:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgoijMXFOmA

Love the Song!!:rockon: :rockon: :lol

[Clippersfan86]

I disagree. CP3 looks to pass more than anyone else now. And Deron and Cp3 make those passes already, CP3 multiple times a game.

This year.. he's passing more.. but from watching him play... Deron Williams looks like the more natural "true' PG to me than CP3 even now, despite Deron scoring more than CP3. Nonetheless... as I said.. I'd be willing to bet money on Baron over any PG if they tested court vision, ballhandling etc. Maybe skills competition? Baron's already connected with Blake for like 10 half court or longer oops this season too. I've yet to see CP3 or Deron make a pass on the money like that from more than halfcourt. Obviously part of that is Blake's ability to leap, catch and finish.. but a lot of it is Baron.

[Rose]

Well if I'm not mistaken...Rose destroyed the skills contest record.:pimp:

Differences of opinion I guess.

[DeronMillsap]

Stupid Shinn. Do you live in NC?

and I liked David Wesley, solid 3-4 option guy.
I lived there for two years there with my dad from 1998-2000.

[MMM]

I'm going to take Rose didn't young Baron still had to overcome a serious knee injury from College.

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

Well if I'm not mistaken...Rose destroyed the skills contest record.:pimp:

Differences of opinion I guess.
/thread

+ the dunk he did is something Baron can never pull of
j/k

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_OzWla_7GOKo/TTCq2dPzwjI/AAAAAAAAAIA/g2pwT06GX6g/s1600/Derrick-Rose-Skills-Challenge-2009_m.jpg

[Rose]

I lived there for two years there with my dad from 1998-2000.
Ahhh I see I see. I was like...you seem to be especially fond of those Hornets. for a Jazz fan.

[Clippersfan86]

Well if I'm not mistaken...Rose destroyed the skills contest record.:pimp:

Differences of opinion I guess.

That's because the current skills set up is won by speed. The agility through the course ends up winning. Which is why I said maybe a skills contest. Rose is going to blow Baron away in any timed event.. but if accuracy and PG skills were measured more accurately in a competition setting.. I'm taking Baron.

In a skill measurement setting for PG's that didn't factor in sheer speed...

1. Baron Davis
2. Steve Nash
3. Deron Williams
4. CP3
5. Whoever you want.

It's too bad Baron's health, attitude, work ethic and mentality prevented him from becoming what he could of been.

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

That's because the current skills set up is won by speed. The agility through the course ends up winning. Which is why I said maybe a skills contest. Rose is going to blow Baron away in any timed event.. but if accuracy and PG skills were measured more accurately in a competition setting.. I'm taking Baron.

And isnt speed based on athleticism?

Derrick Rose > Baron

[Clippersfan86]

And isnt speed based on athleticism?

Derrick Rose > Baron

I said that a long time ago :facepalm . I said Rose> Baron athletically.

[hkfosho]

derrick rose is a better dancer that's for sure

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZczejHLBaG4

and a better singer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGK928dFdHw

[KevinNYC]

:Love the Song!!:rockon: :rockon: :lol

didn't expect to hear a NOFX song here.

They have a great ska/reggage (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWrlbRdJsSE) song too. Close your eyes and click the link and listen without seeing the song's title. It will be funnier. The full on punk version kicks in at about 1:30.

[Clippersfan86]

derrick rose is a better dancer that's for sure

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZczejHLBaG4

and a better singer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGK928dFdHw

LOL. Dude was that a dance crew or something?

[Ikill]

derrick rose is a better dancer that's for sure

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZczejHLBaG4

and a better singer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGK928dFdHw
Now the question is who is the better dancer John Wall or Derrick Rose

[DeronMillsap]

Ahhh I see I see. I was like...you seem to be especially fond of those Hornets. for a Jazz fan.
I actually watched more Hornets games than Jazz games because of school and the timezone. Jazz were more of my playoff team once June arrived because school was over and i wanted to see Jordan lose so badly. Yes, I f--king hated Jordan(for real).

These teams will always lived with my childhood. :cheers:
1994-97....Knicks
1997-98...Jazz
1998-02... Jazz/Charlotte Hornets

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

I said that a long time ago :facepalm . I said Rose> Baron athletically.

Than why are we discussing?:oldlol: :oldlol:

[Clippersfan86]

Either way guys I've gotten way off topic. Answer is... Derrick Rose>Prime Baron for athleticism all around.

[Rose]

I actually watched more Hornets games than Jazz games because of school and the timezone. Jazz were more of my playoff team once June arrived because school was over. Plus, I f--king hated Jordan(for real).

These teams will always lived with my childhood. :cheers:
1994-97....Knicks
1997-98...Jazz
1998-02... Jazz/Charlotte Hornets
Ahh I gotcha I gotcha.

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

didn't expect to hear a NOFX song here.

They have a great ska/reggage (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWrlbRdJsSE) song too. Close your eyes and click the link and listen without seeing the song's title. It will be funnier. The full on punk version kicks in at about 1:30.
:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

Just heard a part and closed it right away:oldlol:

[GOBB]

Rose aint got the dunks over people like Baron Davis does. But I'd go Rose here on athletic ability. Speed, quickness, agility are just top notch.

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

derrick rose is a better dancer that's for sure

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZczejHLBaG4

and a better singer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGK928dFdHw

That is Derrick Rose?:lol :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

You'll never catch Beasley doing something that stupid:oldlol:

[KevinNYC]

More of Baron's sick passes/ court vision.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbn1H4cGXZ8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4qpgBrHXzw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4kcwr1aNvw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CJHue02GGk

Also let's not forget how amazing he is with alley oop connections. He's part of the best oop combo in league history quite possibly.

I love that last link. In the long shot, it looks totally like a no look, but you can see in the replay he sneaks a little peak. Awesome pass.

I remember in high school I was playing playground ball with a friend who was a soccer player and just starting to learn basketball. I faked around my man and his guy jumped on me and I dished it to open space, just pitched to where he should have been moving. I hit him right in stride and he got the layup, but he went berserk. Because he was learning to move without the ball and it turned out to be a perfect pass. It wasn't a no look, like I know you are there and I'm no looking at you. It was I didn't have time to react, but you if you move here, it's in your lap.

[hkfosho]

more nba players singing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1yBhdQDdtc&feature=related

[Clippersfan86]

I love that last link. In the long shot, it looks totally like a no look, but you can see in the replay he sneaks a little peak. Awesome pass.

I remember in high school I was playing playground ball with a friend who was a soccer player and just starting to learn basketball. I faked around my man and his guy jumped on me and I dished it to open space, just pitched to where he should have been moving. I hit him right in stride and he got the layup, but he went berserk. Because he was learning to move without the ball and it turned out to be a perfect pass. It wasn't a no look, like I know you are there and I'm no looking at you. It was I didn't have time to react, but you if you move here, it's in your lap.

Yea that's fun man making those plays. Nowadays I just play pickup ball but my court vision/passing is way ahead of most guys I've played against. If I play with a competent player at slashing to the hoop and finishing... it's a guaranteed win because I'll find that perfect hole in the defense and give him an easy layup/shot every single play. I find passing/playmaking very easy. Too bad I don't also have the athleticism and size of these PG's in the NBA lol. I don't think many 5'10 PG's with average athleticism make it far in basketball haha.

[kabalcage]

That is Derrick Rose?:lol :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

You'll never catch Beasley doing something that stupid:oldlol:


http://www.slamonline.com/online/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/michael_beasley_weed_close.jpg

[DeronMillsap]

http://www.slamonline.com/online/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/michael_beasley_weed_close.jpg
:roll:

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

http://www.slamonline.com/online/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/michael_beasley_weed_close.jpg

Its not like he was caught hanged-over with a couple of beer bottles:rolleyes:

BTW that was a TEA-Bag

[KevinNYC]

Another basketball story, I like to tell is I got a rebound and sent out an outlet pass I was the only guy back on defense. We missed the layup and the passed it right back. The guy had the ball all the way in the corner, but he couldn't should at all, so I said. OK. I'll let you have that. He moved in a little closer and I said, OK, you could have that too. He was very bad shooter. All of sudden, I realized, he's not going to take the free shot I'm giving him. MF'er is driving on me. So I take two steps out to block the shot and I get my hand on it. And I some point I realize I can get both hands on it. I had the ball from the front and back and just swiped his layup out of his outstretched hand. Same friend fell on the floor laughing. I'm not a leaper by any means, so this was unusual. It helps that the guy driving on me was terrible and had no concept of sheilding the ball from your defender.

[Kellogs4toniee]

Imma go with this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLsaXkMs9XE

http://www.cluttercontrolfreak.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/surprised_baby_2.jpg

[Kellogs4toniee]

but Baron has always been much stronger physically and is the much better pure PG. Dude's court vision might still be the best in the league..
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

Imma go with this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLsaXkMs9XE



same video I posted :applause:

Derrick Rose > any pg who you think has the athleticism

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
:oldlol: :oldlol:

made me laugh as well.

[hkfosho]

Imma go with this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLsaXkMs9XE

http://www.cluttercontrolfreak.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/surprised_baby_2.jpg

thanks a lot you just made me spit all over my monitor

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

thanks a lot you just made me spit all over my monitor

at least you didnt jizz:(

[Kellogs4toniee]

:oldlol: :oldlol:

made me laugh as well.


Imma rep when I can bro. Respect reppin Rose through all those pages.

[GOBB]

same video I posted :applause:

Derrick Rose > any pg who you think has the athleticism

Russell Westbrook is on par with Rose athletically. How can you deny that?

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

Imma rep when I can bro. Respect reppin Rose through all those pages.

just repping my favourite NBA Draft class as well as 2007 recruiting class :bowdown: :bowdown:

http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2008/0623/nba_fourpanel_draft_412.jpg

http://i.cdn.turner.com/sivault/multimedia/photo_gallery/0806/nbadraft.fashion/images/group.jpg

http://cdn1.sbnation.com/imported_assets/590600/kevin-love-michael-beasley.jpg

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

Russell Westbrook is on par with Rose athletically. How can you deny that?

read the whole thread old man

[hkfosho]

Russell Westbrook is on par with Rose athletically. How can you deny that?

I wouldn't say par, although he has freakishly athletic as well. If you compared Rose's highlights to Westbrook's, Rose blows him out the water.

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

I wouldn't say par, although he has freakishly athletic as well. If you compared Rose's highlights to Westbrook's, Rose blows him out the water.

yeah.

Rose explosiveness just doesnt compare with anyone else in the league IMO.

[PistonsFan#21]

Rose: faster, jumps higher, more explosive
Baron Davis: stronger

:pimp:

Westbrook vs Rose is a better comparison

[GOBB]

I wouldn't say par, although he has freakishly athletic as well. If you compared Rose's highlights to Westbrook's, Rose blows him out the water.

Russell Westbrook speed and leaping ability is right there with Derrick Rose. I've seen Westbrook highlights as well as Derrick Rose. I'm missing being blown out the water. Maybe you arent watching enough film on Westbrook or something. They are neck and neck in the athleticism department.

[hkfosho]

Russell Westbrook speed and leaping ability is right there with Derrick Rose. I've seen Westbrook highlights as well as Derrick Rose. I'm missing being blown out the water. Maybe you arent watching enough film on Westbrook or something. They are neck and neck in the athleticism department.

You also have to take into fact that KD is the opponent's main focus. It's obviously much easier for westbrook to drive into a lane and do a nasty dunk as opposed to Rose, who is the main focus for the opponent's defense.

[PistonsFan#21]

Russell Westbrook speed and leaping ability is right there with Derrick Rose. I've seen Westbrook highlights as well as Derrick Rose. I'm missing being blown out the water. Maybe you arent watching enough film on Westbrook or something. They are neck and neck in the athleticism department.

this. People are seriously underrating Westbrook's athleticism when they say Rose is far more athletic.

Its very close and i wouldnt be surprised with anyone picking any of them

[GOBB]

read the whole thread old man.

Read what? You posting clips of Rose highlights that Westbrook has pretty much done. What exactly did I skip reading in here again? I've seen Russell break a defender down and attack the rim + finish. Seen him break 2 defenders down splitting them and finish. Seem him catch ally oops, teammate throw it off the backboard and Westbrook dunks on the back of someone. He takes a steal and gets from one end to the other in a flash.

Not sure what explosiveness you're talkin about he lacks. Like I said they are even steven in that department.

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

Rose: faster, jumps higher, more explosive
Baron Davis: stronger

:pimp:

Westbrook vs Rose is a better comparison

Rose: Faster, Jumps Highers, More Explosive

Westbrook: Stronger

not sure if serious bout the better comparison:confusedshrug:

[GOBB]

You also have to take into fact that KD is the opponent's main focus. It's obviously much easier for westbrook to drive into a lane and do a nasty dunk as opposed to Rose, who is the main focus for the opponent's defense.

:roll: You cant be serious? Get out of here with that crap man.

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

Read what? You posting clips of Rose highlights that Westbrook has pretty much done. What exactly did I skip reading in here again? I've seen Russell break a defender down and attack the rim + finish. Seen him break 2 defenders down splitting them and finish. Seem him catch ally oops, teammate throw it off the backboard and Westbrook dunks on the back of someone. He takes a steal and gets from one end to the other in a flash.

Not sure what explosiveness you're talkin about he lacks. Like I said they are even steven in that department.

Its not that he lacks explosiveness, its that its not comparable to Rose.

Its just not.

[hkfosho]

:roll: You cant be serious? Get out of here with that crap man.

... How is that not serious? Westbrook is a second option for OKC, he virtually never gets double-teamed.

You're the one who needs to open your fvcking eyes and watch t he games. Rose's ability to get out of a double-team and slash into the basket is more athletic than anything westbrook has ever done :lol

[PistonsFan#21]

Rose: Faster, Jumps Highers, More Explosive
Westbrook: Stronger

not sure if serious bout the better comparison:confusedshrug:

Those 2 aren't a sure thing. I've seen Westbrook dunk in traffic way more than Rose. Westbrook can explode up for a dunk at anytime from anywhere inside the free throw line.

Rose has a better body control thats the only thing im 100% sure of

[hkfosho]

Those 2 aren't a sure thing. I've seen Westbrook dunk in traffic way more than Rose. Westbrook can explode up for a dunk at anytime from anywhere inside the free throw line.

Rose has a better body control thats the only thing im 100% sure of

You've seen Westbrook dunk more in traffic because the defensive priorities of Rose is much higher than that of Westbrook. How hard is that to comprehend?

Do you guys notice a correlation between his rise to super-stardom and the number of dunks he's made? Rose had tons of dunks in his first 2 seasons and even early this season. Are you saying his athleticism has weared off already? Gimme a break.

[GOBB]

... How is that not serious? Westbrook is a second option for OKC, he virtually never gets double-teamed.

How is someone less athletic than the next man because they arent doubled teamed? :roll:

You're either a freak athletically or you're not. What the hell are you talkin about?

Like I said you CANT be serious. If Derrick Rose was on the Miami Heat. Guess what? He doesnt lose ANY athleticism. Wake the hell up.


Its not that he lacks explosiveness, its that its not comparable to Rose.

Its just not.

In your opinion. Dont act like the comparison is ridiculous tho. Makes you look dumb.

[hkfosho]

How is someone less athletic than the next man because they arent doubled teamed? :roll:

You're either a freak athletically or you're not. What the hell are you talkin about?

Like I said you CANT be serious. If Derrick Rose was on the Miami Heat. Guess what? He doesnt lose ANY athleticism. Wake the hell up.



In your opinion. Dont act like the comparison is ridiculous tho. Makes you look dumb.

Common sense. You get double-teamed, it limits your ability to drive into the lane for an athletic dunk/lay-up. Rose and Westbrook are both very athletic, however Rose is burdened with having to deal with double-teams and STILL manages to pull off highlight reels on a nightly basis.

You're basically saying Westbrook is just as athletic if not better just because he has more dunks in traffic :facepalm . It's not because of his superior athleticism that get's him more highlights than Rose, it's because Rose has has risen into a superstar, which prompts the opponents to focus on him more.

I don't even know why I'm arguing with a clueless moron. At the end of the day, Rose is the better play anyways

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

Those 2 aren't a sure thing. I've seen Westbrook dunk in traffic way more than Rose. Westbrook can explode up for a dunk at anytime from anywhere inside the free throw line.

Rose has a better body control thats the only thing im 100% sure of

?
Rose isnt soft but he just lacks the motivation Russell has. I'm pretty sure if he wanted to dunk on a guy he would do it.

Rose has a higher vertical leap check back in the thread, I posted it.

He has a 4inch advantage over R.W

[PistonsFan#21]

?
Rose isnt soft but he just lacks the motivation Russell has. I'm pretty sure if he wanted to dunk on a guy he would do it.

Rose has a higher vertical leap check back in the thread, I posted it.

He has a 4inch advantage over R.W

Post the links not just the numbers. Also lets not act as if Rose doesnt dunk on guys because he doesnt feel like it. Thats a BS excuse.

[GOBB]

Westbrook has a 38 1/2 " vertical. But yeah its ridiculous to compare that to Rose's 40 inch vet. I tend to follow.


Common sense. You get double-teamed, it limits your ability to drive into the lane for an athletic dunk/lay-up. Rose and Westbrook are both very athletic, however Rose is burdened with having to deal with double-teams and STILL manages to pull off highlight reels on a nightly basis.

You're basically saying Westbrook is just as athletic if not better just because he has more dunks in traffic :facepalm . It's not because of his superior athleticism that get's him more highlights than Rose, it's because Rose has has risen into a superstar, which prompts the opponents to focus on him more.

I don't even know why I'm arguing with a clueless moron. At the end of the day, Rose is the better play anyways

Yeah Lebron James is not the most athletic player in the NBA. He plays with Wade and Bosh. Blake Griffin easily is because he faces people trying to limit him as opposed to Bron. I know this sounds stupid, doesnt make sense. But that was my goal much like the poster whose username looks like his cat walked on the f*cking keyboard while submitting it during the registering processs. :facepalm

We're not talkin about who is the better player here. Maybe Rose carrying the Bulls would be more relevant to the crap you're spewing. Your athleticism is already SET. It doesnt vary depending on if defenses are geared towards you or not. Westbrook without Durant would still pull off freakish moves and actually has this season. The fact you cant see that is probably due to Rose's nuts being placed in front of your eyes. Rose is a good dude i'm sure if you said excuse me he'd move to the side so you can SEE what I'm telling you.

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

Post the links not just the numbers. Also lets not act as if Rose doesnt dunk on guys because he doesnt feel like it. Thats a BS excuse.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Derrick-Rose-1068/
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Russell-Westbrook-5062/

:pimp:

[Replay32]

Um..I'm talking about size+strength+speed+leaping ability

Westbrook is a better athlete than Rose but it's close. Rose is a superior player because his skills are more refined. Westbrook's game is basically all athleticism

:roll: What!!!!!! I don't think so buddy. :facepalm Also rose is a way better finisher AT THE RIM AND IN TRAFFIC compared to Westbrook. Westbrook has trouble making layups especially in traffic dude.

But Baron before he got fat would smash on cats with the best of them even with his bad knee. I'll give the slight edge to rose, cuz of baron's knee.

[hkfosho]

Westbrook has a 38 1/2 " vertical. But yeah its ridiculous to compare that to Rose's 40 inch vet. I tend to follow.



Yeah Lebron James is not the most athletic player in the NBA. He plays with Wade and Bosh. Blake Griffin easily is because he faces people trying to limit him as opposed to Bron. I know this sounds stupid, doesnt make sense. But that was my goal much like the poster whose username looks like his cat walked on the f*cking keyboard while submitting it during the registering processs. :facepalm

We're not talkin about who is the better player here. Maybe Rose carrying the Bulls would be more relevant to the crap you're spewing. Your athleticism is already SET. It doesnt vary depending on if defenses are geared towards you or not. Westbrook without Durant would still pull off freakish moves and actually has this season. The fact you cant see that is probably due to Rose's nuts being placed in front of your eyes. Rose is a good dude i'm sure if you said excuse me he'd move to the side so you can SEE what I'm telling you.

In all the games Durant has missed, westbrook has never had any highlight plays. You're a dumb motherfvcker if you think Westbrook is as athletic as Rose, plain and simple. It doesn't take a retard to know this fact.

How does LeBron and Griffin have anything to do with this discussion? They're not even PGs moron. Westbrook and Rose create their athletic plays through fastbreak/pick and roll/1 on 1 (2 on 1 for rose) situtations.

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

Westbrook has a 38 1/2 " vertical. But yeah its ridiculous to compare that to Rose's 40 inch vet. I tend to follow.
.

It cleary states he has 36.5:cheers:

But if you want to add a couple lets do the same for Rose.

[PistonsFan#21]

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Derrick-Rose-1068/
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Russell-Westbrook-5062/

:pimp:

According to that site Eric Gordon is stronger, faster, more agile and jumps just as high as Rose...

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

According to that site Eric Gordon is stronger, faster, more agile and jumps just as high as Rose...

he does jump as high as Rose.

Have you ever watch him play?

He is fast but not faster. That was a drill not a 40 yard dash.

And yes E.J. is definitely stronger than Rose. Please watch some Clippers games

[PistonsFan#21]

he does jump as high as Rose.

Have you ever watch him play?

He is fast but not faster. That was a drill not a 40 yard dash.

And yes E.J. is definitely stronger than Rose. Please watch some Clippers games

I wasnt denying any of that...

and it was a 3/4 court sprint, not a drill where you have to change directions.

So with all that info its safe to say Eric Gordon is more athletic right?

[GOBB]

I wasnt denying any of that...

and it was a 3/4 court sprint, not a drill where you have to change directions.

So with all that info its safe to say Eric Gordon is more athletic right?...

But but but but but but but, is all you'll hear from him tho.

[GOBB]

In all the games Durant has missed, westbrook has never had any highlight plays. You're a dumb motherfvcker if you think Westbrook is as athletic as Rose, plain and simple. It doesn't take a retard to know this fact.

How does LeBron and Griffin have anything to do with this discussion? They're not even PGs moron. Westbrook and Rose create their athletic plays through fastbreak/pick and roll/1 on 1 (2 on 1 for rose) situtations.

Define athleticism. What makes it up?

If a kid came up to you and said what makes Derrick Rose be considered so athletically gifted? You would say what?

Answer each question please.

[TheTruth11]

There is really no comparison. Many on the ish will not be willing to admit this but Derrick Rose is one of the best athletes to ever lace em up. Period!

And he is mos def the most athletic point guard to ever play the game. Right there with AI except he is more powerful and jumps higher than AI

As Coach K said, "Derrick Rose is a world class athlete; a 1% percentile guy".

As one coach put it, "he runs as fast as he wants to run, and jumps as high as he wants to jump".

Here, in this vid Rose is up atleast 45 inches.... and could likely go higher:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNOig4NePS4


....

[ukplayer4]

hhmm its a tough one, rose may be flat out quicker but prime baron was explosive as hell and ofcourse baron is 10 times stronger than rose, baron dunked a hell of alot more frequently tho, which isnt hard cause rose is a pathetic dunker, seriously the guy must hate dunking. the oppertunity is there so many times a game but he just does those needless, spastic hang in the air layups.

rose has almost as much athelticism as steve francis but whilst steve francis had banged on every big man in the nba by half way through his rookie season rose has only a handful of decent dunks so far- hes pathetic.

[eliteballer]

Marbury was as athleic as Rose, and probably faster.

Steve Francis>>All of them. He was outjumping Carter in the dunk contest.

[PP34Deuce]

Baron at 19-26 was a freak while being bigger bulk and stronger. Not as fast as Rose, but he was just as quick and honestly had sick Hops. Injuries slowly took his athletiscm but the guy was a freak.

[magnax1]

Baron at 19-26 was a freak while being bigger bulk and stronger. Not as fast as Rose, but he was just as quick and honestly had sick Hops. Injuries slowly took his athletiscm but the guy was a freak.
Yeah, I don't think he was as good as Rose, but he picked his play up quite a bit in the playoffs every year to the level Rose is probably playing at in this regular season this year.

[GOBB]

Steve Francis>>All of them. .

Not

[ukplayer4]

Steve Francis>>All of them. He was outjumping Carter in the dunk contest.



this

[Harrison_Barnes]

Ill have to say Rose.

Oh and 1000th post! :cheers:

[Darius]

Well, before his knee surgeries Baron might have been at Rose's level but def not after.

[jn2rons]

Which Baron are we comparing?

The HS version / College/ Early Pro?

In HS he could not be touched. There's gotta be some highlights out there. Might be grainy tho. Believe he messed up his knee as a senior, but even after coming back...His UCLA film?? :banana::banana:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-YehYyWyHU

[eliteballer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-YehYyWyHU

[sundizz]

Wow I underrated young BD.....damn he was EXPLOSSSIVEEEEEE

[DMV2]

Boom Dizzle 33 points, 14 rebounds and 10 assists in the playoffs versus T-Mac's Magic back in 2002.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfVxMYsKwlg

If he could have kept that playing level through out the 2000's, he would have been the best PG of the decade.

[DMV2]

Davis was never an MVP-caliber nor a top 10 regular season player but during the playoffs, he could turn into an All-Time great.

33 pts, 14 rebs, 8 asts in Game 1 of the historical series versus the Mavs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Vf2Z_gPaFo

[inclinerator]

rose is the most athletic point guard ever

[Fiasco]

Are we posting our favorite memories of Davis?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8w_1ZEk4mds

:D

[Kellogs4toniee]

Which Baron are we comparing?

The HS version / College/ Early Pro?

In HS he could not be touched. There's gotta be some highlights out there. Might be grainy tho. Believe he messed up his knee as a senior, but even after coming back...His UCLA film?? :banana::banana:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-YehYyWyHU


Those are some short highlights, but they were o>O out of this world. That last behind the back fake pass going full speed was :bowdown: :bowdown:

I still say Derrick Rose though. I see Rose as being a gym rat with a much better work ethic.

[ukplayer4]

Baron. honestly. he dunked more and had greater upper body strength


i think rose and young baron are about on the same level, baron had a much bigger body, MUCH more strength, just as much quickness and jumped almost as high, he also had much better handle.


steve francis tho, was simply more athletic than rose. rose is well up there with the most athletic pg's but hes not on francis level imo.

[Cali Syndicate]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHGJD1JLu5g
Rose might never do some of those dunks.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9Sgyt-TquE&feature=related
Be amazed.

Put an extra 10-15 lbs on Rose and he will lose some of his explosiveness as an athlete. Drop Baron Davis in his prime to Rose's weight and he becomes quicker and more explosive than he already was. With that said, Rose is overall more athletic than Baron Davis. Dude was a beast though...I loved him as a Warrior. I seriously hated the front office and Don Nelson, minus Chris Mullin, for letting him go. Bunch of power/control trippin' mongers.

Had he didn't leave, Curry may not have been drafted. Curry's potential is greater than Baron's ability as a player at this stage of his career so it kind of all worked out I guess.

[eliteballer]

What about Marbury?

[eliteballer]

Robert Pack was pretty athletic too.

[Smoke117]

First thing I thought of when I saw this thread was "more athletic Baron Davis? How about a more intelligent Baron Davis? You know one...who doesn't come down on the fast break and take a three pointer two feet behind the tree point line". Athletic is so ****ing underrated. Seriously More people need to watch a player like Chris Mullin. People think of Larry Bird as dominating a sport because it was the 80s and old well Mullin did it in the 90s of the time of guys like jordan, pippen, drexler. Chris Mullin was just a baller. We need a new Chris Mullin.

[Nick Young]

Baron Davis IMO.

Rose is quicker, both were equally explosive, Baron was much stronger.

These new posters seem to have forgotten what a baller Baron Davis used to be
MONSTER JAM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdvEMNCQGlk
Can't remember D-Rose ever with a dunk like this, doesn't have the strength to do it.

behind the back ankle breaker
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVBm3w9NDSs&feature=related

[nathanjizzle]

this is derrick rose when hearing people on ish were saying baron davis was more athletic then him.

"common man"

http://gifsoup.com/view7/2596889/shy-rose-o.gif

[Yung D-Will]

How about you guys watch the Clippers/ Bulls games this season. First game Baron schooled Rose on both ends of the floor easily.. and last game Rose blew up for like 31 points but Baron posted him up and scored at will. Baron even now at 32 years old is way stronger. Rose doesn't use his strength in the post while Baron is a post up PG. Derrick Rose is more explosive, athletic... than Baron in his prime.. but Baron has always been much stronger physically and is the much better pure PG. Dude's court vision might still be the best in the league..


When did he have the best court vision? Was this the magical season when Kidd and Nash both happend to retire

[Go Getter]

^right. Dude showed a vid of Baron ducking some college scrub. Lemme see him dunk on Greg Oden and or Joel Anthony two-handed.

[nathanjizzle]

no point needing said here

http://gifsoup.com/view4/3154014/derrick-rose-layup-orlando-o.gif

[Go Getter]

Just because a player likes to dunk a lot more than another really doesn't say much either way. RW will almost break his neck trying to dunk while Rose chooses his more judiciously.

[TheTruth11]

The difference between Rose and Westbrook is like the differene between Michael Jordan and Clyde Drexler. Both Jordan and Drexler could sky.... both could bring down the house with a dunk... both could float.... but Jordan could do everything Drexler could do BUT HE DID IT JUST A LITTLE BIT BETTER. And that small difference might as well have been a mile. It made all the difference in the world. And thats what Rose has on Westbrook.

Rose is more explosive than Westbrook
Rose is faster is faster and has more body control

Like Coach K said, quote, "Rose is world class athlete; a 1% percentile guy."
And that was said from the coach who was coaching both players at the time for the international games.

And for the record, forget Rose leaping 40 inches by the way. That is on an average day.... in practice or something. That dude gets up every bit of 44/45 inches on game day and adrenaline flowing. Just watch the clips and do the math.

You can't be his height and get up rim high without jumping 44/45 inches

[knickswin]

Baron Davis is so talented. I mean, Chris Paul will most likely go down as the better player, but I do think that Davis is the better talent. Bigger, stronger, more athletic, better handle even. He's an intelligent player too when he's not mailing it in.

[Dizzle-2k7]

Baron/Francis/the rest of the crop dont have Rose's explosiveness. And thats say alot because Baron and Francis were beasts.

[SourGrapes]

^right. Dude showed a vid of Baron ducking some college scrub. Lemme see him dunk on Greg Oden and or Joel Anthony two-handed.

this is pretty nice

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8w_1ZEk4mds

["Jesus"]

no point needing said here

http://gifsoup.com/view4/3154014/derrick-rose-layup-orlando-o.gif

So dirty, had to take a shower after watching this.

[KingRaptor]

Damn Baron use to be a beast

[KingRaptor]

Just because a player likes to dunk a lot more than another really doesn't say much either way. RW will almost break his neck trying to dunk while Rose chooses his more judiciously.
Russell Westbrook dunks more cause he has bigger hands its easier for him

[rodman91]

Rose. But young Baron Davis was very good athlete as well.How about Rose vs Iverson?

[DevilsAssassin]

So dirty, had to take a shower after watching this.
:lol :lol

[EoJ]

Derrick rose.

Westbrook misses more dunks than anyone I've seen.

[LA_Showtime]

Rose. His combination of speed, quickness, agility, and explosiveness is unreal. The guy is just a freak athlete.

[scm5]

First thing I thought of when I saw this thread was "more athletic Baron Davis? How about a more intelligent Baron Davis? You know one...who doesn't come down on the fast break and take a three pointer two feet behind the tree point line". Athletic is so ****ing underrated. Seriously More people need to watch a player like Chris Mullin. People think of Larry Bird as dominating a sport because it was the 80s and old well Mullin did it in the 90s of the time of guys like jordan, pippen, drexler. Chris Mullin was just a baller. We need a new Chris Mullin.

You mean like Ginobili? BATMANU?!

[ihatetimthomas]

Its pretty crazy Baron tore his ACL at such a young age as a freshman in college but still retained much of his athleticism. Baron was an athletic freak in UCLA mashing on guys left and right. I think people often forget just how athletic he was in his prime. He had incredible body control and agility along with speed and strength. I think he could have had a longer athletic prime without the ACL injury because his knees gave him real problems throughout his career.

[imdaman99]

The difference between Rose and Westbrook is like the differene between Michael Jordan and Clyde Drexler. Both Jordan and Drexler could sky.... both could bring down the house with a dunk... both could float.... but Jordan could do everything Drexler could do BUT HE DID IT JUST A LITTLE BIT BETTER. And that small difference might as well have been a mile. It made all the difference in the world. And thats what Rose has on Westbrook.

Rose is more explosive than Westbrook
Rose is faster is faster and has more body control

Like Coach K said, quote, "Rose is world class athlete; a 1% percentile guy."
And that was said from the coach who was coaching both players at the time for the international games.

And for the record, forget Rose leaping 40 inches by the way. That is on an average day.... in practice or something. That dude gets up every bit of 44/45 inches on game day and adrenaline flowing. Just watch the clips and do the math.

You can't be his height and get up rim high without jumping 44/45 inches
man gtfo here with that bullshit comparison.

rose will never even sniff MJ's stratosphere, no matter how much everyone in chicago will have you believe. while westbrook has a chance to be as good or better than drexler. if rose is an 8, than westbrooks also an 8. jordan was a 10 and drexler was an 8.5, theres a difference.

and funny how coach k gave such high regards to someone that got outplayed by another PG in those games :lol

[lefthook00]

^right. Dude showed a vid of Baron ducking some college scrub. Lemme see him dunk on Greg Oden and or Joel Anthony two-handed.

"That's on yo family!" dunk:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMnh9u6QzfY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3bBvcJWcdU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pCZRaftR1E&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8w_1ZEk4mds&feature=related







Favorite Westbrook dunk:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FP0ua5xFw4

[blacknapalm]

hmm...

what baron has over rose: plays more under control and thus takes care of the ball better. rose also tends to leave his feet with the ball and try to pass which is awful. better defender. better rebounder. slightly better shooter though his pull up 3's can be annoying.

both are about equal in passing.

what rose has over baron: more explosive. better scorer and finisher around the basket. harder to contain one on one.

verdict: rose but it's close. i think what sets rose apart is that he's worked so hard at his game. rose has improved his FT% and while he's not a great shooter yet, he's still young and working on it. so i factored that in. i feel a prime rose will be better than prime baron was. imagine a motivated baron like we saw vs. dallas in 2007 all the time though.

[Meticode]

Baron. honestly. he dunked more and had greater upper body strength
Being athletic though is more than just strength and dunking on people. What about speed? Hops? Etc?

[Go Getter]

this is pretty nice

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8w_1ZEk4mds
I watched that live it was insane.

Still, 2-handed dunks denote more power.

[Pointguard]

hmm...

what baron has over rose: plays more under control and thus takes care of the ball better. rose also tends to leave his feet with the ball and try to pass which is awful. better defender. better rebounder. slightly better shooter though his pull up 3's can be annoying.

both are about equal in passing.

what rose has over baron: more explosive. better scorer and finisher around the basket. harder to contain one on one.

verdict: rose but it's close. i think what sets rose apart is that he's worked so hard at his game. rose has improved his FT% and while he's not a great shooter yet, he's still young and working on it. so i factored that in. i feel a prime rose will be better than prime baron was. imagine a motivated baron like we saw vs. dallas in 2007 all the time though.
The question was who was the better athlete because who is better is a dead argument.

Rose right now is better than the best, prime Baron Davis. Davis was pretty sloppy with the ball, a far worse defender than Rose, never was a leader, played lazy a whole lot, could only penetrate on bad defenses and was a horrid free throw shooter. Did you say Rose was harder to contain one on one? Rose is harder to contain in every imaginable dimension. Rose has one of the best handles in the league: he pushes the issue more than any other point so he get turnovers, but he gets past people like he isn't even dribbling.

[imdaman99]

"That's on yo family!" dunk:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMnh9u6QzfY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3bBvcJWcdU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pCZRaftR1E&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8w_1ZEk4mds&feature=related







Favorite Westbrook dunk:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FP0ua5xFw4
apparently he feels that dunking on the great joel anthony and the immortal greg oden are much greater feats than dunking on KG. who the hell is KG anyway? prob some scrub who's always hurt :lol

[Go Getter]

apparently he feels that dunking on the great joel anthony and the immortal greg oden are much greater feats than dunking on KG. who the hell is KG anyway? prob some scrub who's always hurt :lol


First of all I said TWO-handed dunks.....it takes more power and athleticism to perform two-handed dunk opposed to a one-handed dunk.

And KG didn't contest the shot anything like this (KG punked out and pput his arms down):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZvLLjk7x_I

Or this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEEFKh8ZsiI

[StephenJohnNash]

DRose. I don't think I've ever seen a PG dunk like this before..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yQ7_q_nPDg

[DMV2]

Those 1998-2002 Hornets were my second favorite team. Davis came in 1999, I think.

They were such overachievers for a mediocre roster. Davis, Wesley, Mashburn(injury-prone), Divac, PJ Brown, Mason...a few key names from that last era of the Charlotte Hornets.

His had two triple-doubles in a playoff against T-Mac and the Magic. LOL He nearly swept T-Mac that series. :roll:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyR2ATfPISM
Ten years ago: Hornets' last season in Charlotte, led by young Baron Davis, beats Orlando to advance into the 2nd Round.

Now: Baron Davis played his last season of his career.

:(