Rodman: Don

[knightfall88]

[quote]

[kaiiu]

:lol

[1987_Lakers]

LeBron >> Pippen

[kidachi]

Field day for LeBron haters...

[Walduś]

he's a smart man. :applause:

[knightfall88]

If Pippen was a bit better looking and had the hype that Lebron had and also the superstar treatment, there'd really be no debate here.

[hitmanyr2k]

Good Rodman interview here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Id6s-V6Jgc

I like Dennis's take on the Bulls/Pistons rivalry. "If Mike came down the lane someone gotta knock his ass down" :oldlol:

[kaiiu]

If Pippen was a bit better looking and had the hype that Lebron had and also the superstar treatment, there'd really be no debate here.
:roll: Lebron is ugly ass hell so that has nothing to do with it.http://images.cbssports.com/u/photos/basketball/nba/img13612380.jpg

[Lebron23]

LeBron >> Pippen


This

Too much hate on LeBron in this forum. I would love to see him win his 3rd NBA All Star MVP.

[New York Knicks]

I'd take Prime Pip over every player in the league.

[LA_Showtime]

It's great to see Rodman sticking up for his former teammate, but he's doing the same thing as everybody else when he finds it insulting. Who's to say being compared to Pippen isn't a good thing?

[Showtime]

Complimentary star = Pip

Franchise player = Lebron

[Kingwillball]

Lebron is EASILY better than Pippen EVER WAS so all the haters can sit down..When its said and Done there will be no comparison except calling Pippen a poor mans's Lebron.

[Marquis Daniels]

Lebron all day for my franchise player. Other than that, I would take Pippen as my no.2.

[hitmanyr2k]

Complimentary star = Pip

Franchise player = Lebron

There's no such thing as a "franchise" player or "complimentary" player. What's a franchise player gonna do without a complimentary player? He's losing, period. And that "franchise" label isn't worth a damn when you're losing. Ask Lebron...he's found that out the last 3-4 years :oldlol:

[jdm_dc_fan]

Lebron has the advantage of the interwebs and forum trolls.:lol

[IGOTGAME]

Complimentary star = Pip


:roll:

[Showtime]

There's no such thing as a "franchise" player or "complimentary" player.

Yeah, there is.


What's a franchise player gonna do without a complimentary player? He's losing, period.

A franchise player is so good, that it's easier to replace complimentary players rather than the franchise player. A franchise player is the best guy on the team that the team usually is built around. A guy like a prime Shaq, for example, is far more valuable than a 20 year old Kobe. It doesn't mean Kobe wasn't important, because he was, but it also doesn't make him as irreplaceable as Shaq.

Pippen was a great player, one of the best of his time. But he wasn't the type of player you ideally wanted to be the best guy on your team, to lead them to a championship and build around. He's more the type to compliment that sort of player, which Jordan was.

Or if you had that rare team like the Pistons where there are several players good enough to be the best player on the team on any given night, then you might win with Pip in that situation.


And that "franchise" label isn't worth a damn when you're losing. Ask Lebron...he's found that out the last 3-4 years :oldlol:

The past 3-4 years, Lebron proved to be the best player in the league. And while you are correct in that the absence of a pippen-type co star is why he doesn't have rings, it doesn't mean they are of equal value, because there are fewer lebrons then there are co-stars capable of helping a team win a title.

[Showtime]

:roll:
How many years did you watch Pippen?

[donald_trump]

rodmans right. they're not comparable. lebron is far better.

[Lebron23]

rodmans right. they're not comparable. lebron is far better.

:cheers:

[cavsfanatic]

Lebron is EASILY better than Pippen EVER WAS so all the haters can sit down..When its said and Done there will be no comparison except calling Pippen a poor mans's Lebron.
Co-sign like a mutha****a. I ain't a fan of Lebron anymore but he would annihilate pippen

[Showtime]

This is like saying Worthy was better than Nique because of rings. Just stop please.

[Pacquiao]

Co-sign like a mutha****a. I ain't a fan of Lebron anymore but he would annihilate pippen

I Agree. Same thing he did with Bruce Bowen.. Pippen would make Lebron look like a bum.

By the way, Prime Pippen whatever his team is will find a way to beat a Prime Garnett, Pierce and Allen.

Lebron can't even beat a past his prime and old Garnett, Allen and Pierce.. He teamed with a prime Bosh and Wade and he can't still beat an Old Celtics.

[cavsfanatic]

I Agree. Same thing he did with Bruce Bowen..

By the way, Prime Pippen whatever his team is will find a way to beat a Prime Garnett, Pierce and Allen.

Lebron can't even beat a past his prime and old Garnett, Allen and Pierce.. He teamed with a prime Bosh and Wade and he can't still beat an Old Celtics.
Prime Pippen and the bulls lost to the knicks in the 2nd round and I forgot who they lost to the other year Jordan was gone. The same old Celtics that the way better than pippen kobe took to 7 games BTW? Im a Cavs fan so I ain't a bron nut hugger, but seeing the team that won 60 games with him lose 26 in a row made me realize how great he is. Comparing bron to Pippen is disrespectful. Lebron is better than pippen at every aspect of the game except defense.

[Kingwillball]

I Agree. Same thing he did with Bruce Bowen.. Pippen would make Lebron look like a bum.

By the way, Prime Pippen whatever his team is will find a way to beat a Prime Garnett, Pierce and Allen.

Lebron can't even beat a past his prime and old Garnett, Allen and Pierce.. He teamed with a prime Bosh and Wade and he can't still beat an Old Celtics.


Sure with Jordan and one of the best teams of all time I don't disagree..Without Jordan with him as team leader ..HELL NO

[kidachi]

Prime Pippen and the bulls lost to the knicks in the 2nd round and I forgot who they lost to the other year Jordan was gone.

Jordan was back the next year.. a month before the '95 playoffs.. They lost to Orlando.. MJ played

[sh0wtime]

Dennis was a great rebounder and i know he is sticking up to his teammates, but i dont really consider what this "mans" braincells have to say to much seriously.

http://blog.frisorska.se/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/dennis_rodman.jpg

[Lebron23]

Scottie Pippen is a huge fan of LeBron James. He once said that LBJ is the best player in the NBA.

[Ne 1]

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/5593/alphawolf12452042844361.jpg

[97 bulls]

Yeah, there is.



A franchise player is so good, that it's easier to replace complimentary players rather than the franchise player. A franchise player is the best guy on the team that the team usually is built around. A guy like a prime Shaq, for example, is far more valuable than a 20 year old Kobe. It doesn't mean Kobe wasn't important, because he was, but it also doesn't make him as irreplaceable as Shaq.

Pippen was a great player, one of the best of his time. But he wasn't the type of player you ideally wanted to be the best guy on your team, to lead them to a championship and build around. He's more the type to compliment that sort of player, which Jordan was.

Or if you had that rare team like the Pistons where there are several players good enough to be the best player on the team on any given night, then you might win with Pip in that situation.



The past 3-4 years, Lebron proved to be the best player in the league. And while you are correct in that the absence of a pippen-type co star is why he doesn't have rings, it doesn't mean they are of equal value, because there are fewer lebrons then there are co-stars capable of helping a team win a title.
You say pippen wasn't the type of player you build a team around, my question to you is why not? What did or has lebron done that's much different?

[Lebron23]

Pippen admitted that LeBron is a Superior version of himself.
I would say that LeBron was probably more of a guy that I would’ve wanted to be like if I was watching the game today, and probably vice versa. I was probably the player that he mostly patterned his game after—he’s more of an all-around player, and, again, he’s magnified it to another level.


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=208667

[csklmf]

Finally Dennis said smth that makes sense. :cheers:

[Showtime]

You say pippen wasn't the type of player you build a team around, my question to you is why not?

Pippen was a great utility guy who was good at just about everything. But I don't think he ever had it to take over with that extra gear that Jordan and other players have had. Maybe he might have for a playoff series or two, but I just don't see that type of game in Pip to dominate. Pippen's worth was evident even in Portland. He's great at what he does, but I don't think he could be as effective leading a team.

I will say this though: it would be a totally different story of we were talking about the modern game, where there's less contact allowed, diminished post play, and an emphasis on perimeter player and shooting.


What did or has lebron done that's much different?

Other than playing more dominating basketball?

[icewill36]

i love scottie pippen, but im sorry lebron is better..... pips best season isnt better than lebrons, and lebron still is capable of better.

[A.R.T]

scottie would thrive in many more situations than lebron would. that alone would make me take him > lebron any day.

[moe94]

LeBron, by his sophmore year, was a much better player than Pippen ever was.

[Ne 1]

I'll take a great leader and proven winner over an overrated stat-padder with flashy dunks any day.

[alenleomessi]

http://i1134.photobucket.com/albums/m601/scottish-lad/c7eed7bfd399.gifhttp://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad36/rshappygirl/Random/laughing.gifhttp://i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww293/MsPiggy4/Laughing/yeehaw.gifhttp://i919.photobucket.com/albums/ad36/rshappygirl/Stick%20Figures/laughing-dying.gif

[Bandito]

Prime Pippen and the bulls lost to the knicks in the 2nd round and I forgot who they lost to the other year Jordan was gone. The same old Celtics that the way better than pippen kobe took to 7 games BTW? Im a Cavs fan so I ain't a bron nut hugger, but seeing the team that won 60 games with him lose 26 in a row made me realize how great he is. Comparing bron to Pippen is disrespectful. Lebron is better than pippen at every aspect of the game except defense.
Dude don't bring Kobe to this. At least he beat them in the playoffs, so don't start to make excuses for your man.

Also Pippen lost to great teams both those years in the playoffs with a scrub team that didn't even have an average sg, pf and C. Or do you people forget they didn't had Rodman and Kukoc was an outside shooter anyhow? With that team I think he made a great job and was even close to finish the Knicks who were at the time championship bound.

Still I am not saying Pip is better than Lebron at this time but I can't say Lebron is better either. He's just more athletic.

[Sarcastic]

Scottie Pippen has absolutely nothing on Lebron James. Lebron is in a totally different stratosphere compared to Scottie Pippen.

[Ne 1]

Scottie Pippen has absolutely nothing on Lebron James. Lebron is in a totally different stratosphere compared to Scottie Pippen.

Stat-padding?

LeBron James has absolutely nothing on Scottie Pippen.
Scottie is in a totally different stratosphere compared to LeBron James.

Without the hype LeBron = Stephen Jackson

[YouCallILose]

LeBron, by his sophmore year, was a much better player than Pippen ever was.

uhhh...absolutely not

Prime Pippen put up 21/8/7 on 51 FG% 56 TS% while being the best perimeter defender in the NBA

20 year old LeBron put up 27/7/7 on 47 FG% 55 TS% while being one of the worst perimeter defenders in the NBA

LeBron averaged 6 more ppg on less efficiency as he was taking 21 shots per game in comparison with Pippen who was only at 16.6

3rd year LeBron was ARGUABLY better than prime Pippen. However 5th year LeBron->today is obviously superior to him

[Lebron23]

uhhh...absolutely not

Prime Pippen put up 21/8/7 on 51 FG% 56 TS% while being the best perimeter defender in the NBA

20 year old LeBron put up 27/7/7 on 47 FG% 55 TS% while being one of the worst perimeter defenders in the NBA

LeBron averaged 6 more ppg on less efficiency as he was taking 21 shots per game in comparison with Pippen who was only at 16.6

3rd year LeBron was ARGUABLY better than prime Pippen. However 5th year LeBron->today is obviously superior to him


I'll rep you later.

[Pacquiao]

Lebron is a Failure. As usual some fanboys too obsessed with Stats and record in the regular season and then making excuses in the playoffs for getting Knock the F U C K out.

[Teanett]

if you take lebron as your franchise player, he'll take his talents to south beach.:oldlol:
pip over lebron everyday.

[Lebron23]

Lebron is a Failure. As usual some fanboys too obsessed with Stats and record in the regular season and then making excuses in the playoffs for getting Knock the F U C K out.


Shut up troll. I'll B1tch slap you back to General Santos.

[YouCallILose]

if you take lebron as your franchise player, he'll take his talents to south beach.:oldlol:
pip over lebron everyday.

just curious but...what if your franchise is in south beach?

[Ne 1]

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-10/06/xin_41100106095240813701.jpg

http://lovealwayssunny.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/lbj-crying.jpg

[Pacquiao]

Shut up troll. I'll B1tch slap you back to General Santos.

Never heard of General Santos... But I heard you ate dogs though?

[OldSchoolBBall]

Hysterical that in one thread, you have some people arguing that '09 Lebron > 1990 Jordan (one of MJ's 2-3 peak seasons), yet here you have people saying that Pippen > Lebron. What a joke. :oldlol:

Lebron is FAR better than Pippen - different levels entirely. Pippen is easily the most overrated player on this board.

[Pacquiao]

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-10/06/xin_41100106095240813701.jpg

http://lovealwayssunny.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/lbj-crying.jpg

Don't compare Scottie to a Quitter. You have to understand that some people here only saw Jordan and Pippen on youtube.

Lebron is overrated when all he did was getting swept and being embarassed by Bruce Bowen.

[DuMa]

Lebron, his story isnt done yet and thats why i hate comparing players from different eras when one story isnt done.

Pippen's story is done. its easier to pick pippen because you know how his career turned out.

ill say this though, lebron still had the potential to be the greatest SF ever. and that hasnt changed.

[YouCallILose]

Lebron, his story isnt done yet and thats why i hate comparing players from different eras when one story isnt done.

Pippen's story is done. its easier to pick pippen because you know how his career turned out.

ill say this though, lebron still had the potential to be the greatest SF ever. and that hasnt changed.

peak LeBron will never be better than peak Bird. LeBron isn't a good enough defender to make up for Bird's superior offense.

[DuMa]

pippen's career wouldve definitely turned out differently if he did not have michael jordan. i strongly believe if you insert him into today's era as a rookie, he would not develop the same way. playing with michael maximized his talent and potential to the fullest.

[Lebron23]

Never heard of General Santos... But I heard you ate dogs though?


Nah

But I ate your mom's P*ssy. What's up Sergio? How many accounts do you have?

[DuMa]

peak LeBron will never be better than peak Bird. LeBron isn't a good enough defender to make up for Bird's superior offense.

you cant make those statements on a open book

[YouCallILose]

you cant make those statements on a open book

I highly doubt LeBron is going to get any better than he was in 2008-09/2009-10

Bird was a superior passer, a superior rebounder, and a more efficient scorer while being able to play on the ball or off of the ball.

LeBron is a top 10 talent all time, but Bird is top 5.

LeBron could ultimately have a better career than Bird, but he won't be better than peak Bird. Same with Kobe/Jordan if Kobe were to win 2 or 3 more titles. Although Kobe surpassing Jordan in terms of achievements is never going to happen, it was just a hypothetical.

[Pacquiao]

Nah

But I ate your mom's P*ssy. What's up Sergio? How many accounts do you have?

Stop trolling. You're only 4'5...

[moe94]

peak LeBron will never be better than peak Bird. LeBron isn't a good enough defender to make up for Bird's superior offense.Not sure if serious. I'd take an 09 LeBron over any version of Bird, but that's just me.

[Ne 1]

Not sure if serious. I'd take an 09 LeBron over any version of Bird, but that's just me.

So you take filling up a stat sheet with regular season wins over championships?

[Lebron23]

So you take filling up a stat sheet with regular season wins over championships?


1 month IP ban bet

LeBron will win his first NBA Finals MVP and championship ring this season.

[moe94]

Right because Mchale and Parish are Varajao and Mo Williams. Understood.

[YouCallILose]

Not sure if serious. I'd take an 09 LeBron over any version of Bird, but that's just me.

30/9/6 on 53/41/91 vs 28/8/7 on 49/34/78


ehhh

[Pacquiao]

Not sure if serious. I'd take an 09 LeBron over any version of Bird, but that's just me.

Lebron bricking 3's in crunch time when his team need a 2?

Or Missing those Crucial FT's?

[Pacquiao]

1 month IP ban bet

LeBron will win his first NBA Finals MVP and championship ring this season.

Is that the same thing you said for the last 3 years? Stop joking!! It's not even funny..

[Ne 1]

1 month IP ban bet

LeBron will win his first NBA Finals MVP and championship ring this season.


Your on.

I'll leave this site for a month if that happens. No way does Miami beat a healthy Celtics team at full strength.

If Miami does happen to beat a healthy Celtics team and go on to the Finals and LeBron gets Finals MVP, i'll leave for a month.

[Lebron23]

Your on.

I'll leave this site for a month if that happens. No way does Miami beat a healthy Celtics team at full strength.

If Miami does happen to beat a healthy Celtics team and go on to the Finals and LeBron gets Finals MVP, i'll leave for a month.

:cheers:

[Nash-tastic]

Not sure if serious. I'd take an 09 LeBron over any version of Bird, but that's just me.
:wtf:

[Ne 1]

:cheers:

Just curious, do you think that Miami can beat the Celtics?

[Nash-tastic]

Just curious, do you think that Miami can beat the Celtics?
Well he obviously thinks so, that why he made the bet

[NBASTATMAN]

If Pippen was a bit better looking and had the hype that Lebron had and also the superstar treatment, there'd really be no debate here.

There is no debate.. Pippen himself has stated that Lebron plays like himself but has taken that to a much higher level...

[pauk]

lol @ even one person in the entire world thinking PIPPEN > LEBRON

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahah ahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahaahahahahahahahahahah ahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahaha

http://www.gifbin.com/bin/052009/1243271414_black_guy_laughing.gif
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http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ipDsGBnLzZk/Si-iXue5bVI/AAAAAAAAAqM/5__N-XK6y0U/s400/laughing.jpg
http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u113/Echo0351/22257989976p40150.gif

[pauk]

looool mannnn!!

even pippen bows down to lebron
lebron is pippens favorite player ever and thinks he is the best player in the world
pippen also said millions of times that lebron took everything from himself and magic johnson and others and took it to a whole another level
that lebron is the biggest evolution of such players as himself

and rodman?? bwahahahahah he needs to stfu and go back to his queerness

[Teanett]

pippen's career wouldve definitely turned out differently if he did not have michael jordan. i strongly believe if you insert him into today's era as a rookie, he would not develop the same way. playing with michael maximized his talent and potential to the fullest.

that is disrespectful.
what about brad sellers, bj armstrong, horace grant, will perdue, stacey king, sam vincent, jack haley...?
they were all there with jordan from the beginning, how come they dont make it to the hall of fame if they had jordan to maximize their potential?

[necya]

i would take LBJ for those days and Pippen in the 80's 90's.
Scottie could not teach basketball to 4 team mates at the same time, he had to learn position defense to Kukoc for 5 straight years and it was a tough task !
i'm okay to say that Scottie was fortunate to play with MJ cause he helped him to reach his full potential and his basketball knowledges.
i think MJ, Bird, Magic and Pippen are the easiest players to coach that the basketball has ever seen.

[moe94]

While it's ridiculous to say Jordan made Pippen what he is, it's not hard to see that playing with someone of Jordan's caliber helped elevate his game to levels he likely would not have reached. I speaking mostly about defense.

I refuse to believe Jordan was easy to coach. He was jerk by all accounts. Not necessarily a bad thing, either.

[arifgokcen]

30/9/6 on 53/41/91 vs 28/8/7 on 49/34/78


ehhh

Lebron best year 30/7/9 on 50/33/77.What you forgot here is the pace.When you account for the pace,bird numbers doest even come close to lebron's.
When account for pace(you cannot ignore pace if you are comparing stats),lebron numbers 32.3ppg,7,9rpg,9.3apg,1,8spg,1.1bpg


Lebron bricking 3's in crunch time when his team need a 2?

Or Missing those Crucial FT's?

Lebron is one of the best crunch time free throw shooters.He rarely misses in crunch time.Compared to %77 free throw shooter he is shooting almost %90.There is no other player that can increase his shooting percentage that much when the game is on the line.

[O.J A 6'4Mamba]

pip

[knightfall88]

Lebron best year 30/7/9 on 50/33/77.What you forgot here is the pace.When you account for the pace,bird numbers doest even come close to lebron's.
When account for pace(you cannot ignore pace if you are comparing stats),lebron numbers 32.3ppg,7,9rpg,9.3apg,1,8spg,1.1bpg



Lebron is one of the best crunch time free throw shooters.He rarely misses in crunch time.Compared to %77 free throw shooter he is shooting almost %90.There is no other player that can increase his shooting percentage that much when the game is on the line.

Yes because no great perimeter player is that bad of a free throw shooter to warrant that kind of improvement

[Teanett]

While it's ridiculous to say Jordan made Pippen what he is, it's not hard to see that playing with someone of Jordan's calibur helped elevate his game to levels he likely would not have reached. I speaking mostly about defense.

no doubt there are benefits to playing with jordan, but you have to be willing to put the work in and you have to be naturally gifted. that's very rare.
pip was already a phenomenal athlete when he came to chicago (free-throw line dunk etc.), and jordan did not make pippen a set of long-ass arms either.
also, pippen had skills that were his "own", like his ballhandling.
he was a point guard before he came to the league.

[2LeTTeRS]

Didn't we just have a thread where Pip himself said Bron was better than him? This is just Dennis being Dennis.

[crisoner]

Complimentary star = Pip

Franchise player = Lebron
This...

[Kevin_Gamble]

This is like saying Worthy was better than Nique because of rings. Just stop please.

Rodman didn't bring the ring argument. Why mention it? Pippen was a far, far better defender than Lebron, and Pip was an incredibly intelligent player unlike Lebron, who has a hard time grasping offenses that doesn't involve pounding the ball in one spot for 15 seconds (or at least hard time grasping why that type of offense is not going to win championships).

Pip as all-around elite player? Far, far better than Lebron. Would Pippen outscore Lebron as a pound-the-ball iso player? Probably not. But I know which player I would rather have on my team.

[Kevin_Gamble]

Yes because no great perimeter player is that bad of a free throw shooter to warrant that kind of improvement

Had to lol because this is so true.

[Harison]

Not sure if serious. I'd take an 09 LeBron over any version of Bird, but that's just me.
:oldlol:

Let me guess, you havent seen prime Bird live?

[asdf1990]

that is disrespectful.
what about brad sellers, bj armstrong, horace grant, will perdue, stacey king, sam vincent, jack haley...?
they were all there with jordan from the beginning, how come they dont make it to the hall of fame if they had jordan to maximize their potential?

Cuz pippen had greater potential than them. That's like saying lebron james and carlos arryo have the same potential.

stupid troll is stupid.

[ChiCity]

Scottie Pippen has absolutely nothing on Lebron James. Lebron is in a totally different stratosphere compared to Scottie Pippen.
scottie pippen
has his defense
8 NBA All-Defensive First Team
but thats about it
scottie is my fav player of all time and i hate lebron with a passion
but i gotta give it to lebron
in terms of overall game
but id rather have pippen
he wouldnt quit in the playoffs

[nbacardDOTnet]

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/5593/alphawolf12452042844361.jpg


Finally Dennis said smth that makes sense. :cheers:


:lol


http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-10/06/xin_41100106095240813701.jpg

http://lovealwayssunny.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/lbj-crying.jpg

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/z%20Funny%20NBA%20Photos/Funny%20NBA%20Record/Lebron%20James/20090919bigfatliarqueenlequitlebronjames.jpg

then

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V25rBBTDvJs


Scottie Pippen didn't think much of Jeff Van Gundy's Heat prediction


http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Scottie-Pippen-didn-t-think-much-of-Jeff-Van-Gun?urn=nba-320222

[Teanett]

Cuz pippen had greater potential than them. That's like saying lebron james and carlos arryo have the same potential.

stupid troll is stupid.

did i say anything different?
can't you read, you fukking illiterate?

[Hotlantadude81]

So many of today's players (Lebron being one of them) are athletic bores. Some of these guys are so skilled that they make things look easy at times, but the NBA looks so not competitive. I was watching Game 6 of the Bulls/Jazz finals the other night and you could tell both teams badly wanted to win the series and that's something you don't see so often anymore. Today's game has a lot of laziness in it despite the more athletic players.

Lebron is a more skilled player, but I'd rather watch Pippen play.

[Scholar]

I've got nothing but love for Scottie Pippen but I agree with those of you who said LeBron is the better player. That's just how it is. :confusedshrug:

Let me put it this way:
LeBron on the Cavs = easily a 60 win team
Pippen on the Cavs = maybe 50 wins if lucky.

I'm not hating on Pippen. Hell, he's one of my favorite players of all-time. He led the Bulls to the Playoffs without Jordan being the frontman in the same league that had Charles Barkley, Shaquille O'Neal, Penny Hardaway, Reggie Miller, Patrick Ewing, etc., playing for opposing teams. The Bulls could've easily become a lottery team but Pippen didn't allow that. His heart and dedication was definitely bigger than LeBron's, all day, everyday; however, skills-wise, LeBron takes the cake.

[NoName22]

did i say anything different?
can't you read, you fukking illiterate?

He's up there with New York Knicks as the worst posters here.

[LA_Showtime]

It's nice to know that loser LeBron23 is going to negative rep me every other day. Don't you have anything better to do than stalk me and take away my precious reputation. :oldlol: Of course you don't, you're a 25-year-old who lives in his mother's basement.

[97 bulls]

Hysterical that in one thread, you have some people arguing that '09 Lebron > 1990 Jordan (one of MJ's 2-3 peak seasons), yet here you have people saying that Pippen > Lebron. What a joke. :oldlol:

Lebron is FAR better than Pippen - different levels entirely. Pippen is easily the most overrated player on this board.
Its funny. You come into every pippen thread, attach one stupid view to a stupid insult, without backing it up. And never post again.

I bet half the posts you've made in this forum feature jordan and pippen.

[LA_Showtime]

Again, I don't understand why this is insulting? Pippen's a top 50 player. You can be better than a player and still be compared to them...

[LEFT4DEAD]

http://img1.brigitte.de/asset/Image/beauty/make-up/make-up-suenden/make-up-rodman.jpg
this guy, really :lol

[PowerGlove]

Again, I don't understand why this is insulting? Pippen's a top 50 player. You can be better than a player and still be compared to them...
I dont know bro...this shit makes no sense. How the f*ck is Pippen an insult? Dude is like top 30 of all time right? I just dont understand how calling Lebron "nothing but Nique' with a headband" is an insult either. Shit, Nique was f*cking awesome.

[asdf1990]

did i say anything different?
can't you read, you fukking illiterate?

so u agree that jordan made pippen?

[97 bulls]

pippen's career wouldve definitely turned out differently if he did not have michael jordan. i strongly believe if you insert him into today's era as a rookie, he would not develop the same way. playing with michael maximized his talent and potential to the fullest.
You can say that about every basketball player. I mean, michael jordan attribute his greatest strength (his competitive fight) to his 5'9 brother. Not to mention his overall game to david thompson and dr.j. I know alot of european players credit kukoc with their games. Every person models themself after somebody. Why hold it against pippen?

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

Lebron James > Pippen

[DRoseOwnsACamry]

Pre-Southbeach LeBron>>>Pippen.

[KingBeasley08]

Pre-Southbeach LeBron>>>Pippen.
lebron at age 50>>pippen :lol

[strike]

rodman is jokes

[97 bulls]

[QUOTE=Lebron23]Pippen admitted that LeBron is a Superior version of himself.
[B] I would say that LeBron was probably more of a guy that I would

[Dave3]

Good job ISH...7 pages on something Dennis Rodman said...well done!

[hitmanyr2k]

Yeah, there is.
A franchise player is so good, that it's easier to replace complimentary players rather than the franchise player. A franchise player is the best guy on the team that the team usually is built around. A guy like a prime Shaq, for example, is far more valuable than a 20 year old Kobe. It doesn't mean Kobe wasn't important, because he was, but it also doesn't make him as irreplaceable as Shaq.

I look at the end result. Bottom line. Shaq isn't winning shit without Kobe or any other star player. These "franchise" and "complimentary" labels are crap to me because one doesn't exist without the other. Sure these guys can put up video game numbers that make stat geeks go nuts but ultimately without another star (or what you term complimentary players) they're going the f**k home in the first or second round lol. And then guess what happens? Everyone starts questioning that "franchise" label because these guys are losing every year.

Jordan was putting up video game numbers and going home ringless every year before Pippen became a star. He was questioned and criticized that he couldn't do what Magic and Bird (who had stars around them) were doing. Kobe (post-Shaq) was putting up video game numbers and exiting in the first round every year before Gasol. His "franchise" rep was questioned plenty...especially in the 2006 playoffs when it appeared he quit on his team and then went on his offseason tirade in 2007 throwing teammates under the bus. Lebron, same deal, putting up video game numbers and then bowing out in the 2nd round and getting his "franchise" label questioned last year when it appears that he quit against Boston. That's who those guys ARE without another star beside them. That's why I don't buy into that "franchise" bullshit. One can't exist without the other.

[Kingwillball]

Good job ISH...7 pages on something Dennis Rodman said...well done!


THe funniest part there are some real Lebron Haters since more than half the people in here agree with Rodman when Lebron is obviously better.This is someone who is old enough to remember Watching Pippen play.He was NEVER as Dominant as Lebron. End of story.

[All Net]

THe funniest part there are some real Lebron Haters since more than half the people in here agree with Rodman when Lebron is obviously better.This is someone who is old enough to remember Watching Pippen play.He was NEVER as Dominant as Lebron. End of story.

Pippen was a better defender but Lebron is better in every other area.

[redsoxballer]

Pippen replacing Lebron on those Cavs teams results in 30-40 win seasons. Pippen replacing LBJ on this years Heat, and the Heat are a 65-70 win champ. Thats the difference. Pip fits in better with teams that already have decent talent, but Lebron makes bad teams good.

[97 bulls]

Pippen was a great utility guy who was good at just about everything. But I don't think he ever had it to take over with that extra gear that Jordan and other players have had. Maybe he might have for a playoff series or two, but I just don't see that type of game in Pip to dominate. Pippen's worth was evident even in Portland. He's great at what he does, but I don't think he could be as effective leading a team.

I will say this though: it would be a totally different story of we were talking about the modern game, where there's less contact allowed, diminished post play, and an emphasis on perimeter player and shooting.



Other than playing more dominating basketball?
The problem with your reasoning is that you're trying to compare their situations. All I've ever maintained is that scottie pippen never had the opportunity. And kbased on his two seasons as the leader of the bulls, he was capable of taking teams far.

Then I know you want to allude to their statistics. Bron with cavs was a 30,8,8 guy and with wade, a 25,7,7 and that's not factoring in he rule changes which gives him a few xtra points. Pippen avg. 23,9,7 before he got injured in 95. And obviously with the rule changes would've easily been a 25 ppg with a max of about 27 outside of playing alongside jordan.

As far as leading teams, has lebron james really done that much better than pippen? I mean, pippen did lead a team to 55 wins. While lebron 66 in a weak conference. And I firmly believe pippen was a co-leader of the 72,69 win bulls.

Now if you want to go strictly of their stats and awards etc, then sure lebron is better. Even still not by much. Im sure james trade all 2 of his mvps for pippen measly 6 championships. And also, be consistant, when a convo about who the the greatest single season team is arrises, im sure you'll feel the 96 bulls are the greatest cuz they are statistically. Be consistant. Otherwise your views have no merit.

I guess I take the stance that pippen was a number 1 guy that accepted a number 2 role. And im

[97 bulls]

I look at the end result. Bottom line. Shaq isn't winning shit without Kobe or any other star player. These "franchise" and "complimentary" labels are crap to me because one doesn't exist without the other. Sure these guys can put up video game numbers that make stat geeks go nuts but ultimately without another star (or what you term complimentary players) they're going the f**k home in the first or second round lol. And then guess what happens? Everyone starts questioning that "franchise" label because these guys are losing every year.

Jordan was putting up video game numbers and going home ringless every year before Pippen became a star. He was questioned and criticized that he couldn't do what Magic and Bird (who had stars around them) were doing. Kobe (post-Shaq) was putting up video game numbers and exiting in the first round every year before Gasol. His "franchise" rep was questioned plenty...especially in the 2006 playoffs when it appeared he quit on his team and then went on his offseason tirade in 2007 throwing teammates under the bus. Lebron, same deal, putting up video game numbers and then bowing out in the 2nd round and getting his "franchise" label questioned last year when it appears that he quit against Boston. That's who those guys ARE without another star beside them. That's why I don't buy into that "franchise" bullshit. One can't exist without the other.
Exactly

[az00m]

Pippen was a better defender but Lebron is better in every other area.

Pippen was a better off the ball player as well.

[az00m]

Good job ISH...7 pages on something Dennis Rodman said...well done!

Also he said this a very long time ago

[97 bulls]

Pippen replacing Lebron on those Cavs teams results in 30-40 win seasons. Pippen replacing LBJ on this years Heat, and the Heat are a 65-70 win champ. Thats the difference. Pip fits in better with teams that already have decent talent, but Lebron makes bad teams good.
Pippen in 95 had terrible talent. And he had them on a pace to win 44 games. Try another door

[nightprowler10]

I've got nothing but love for Scottie Pippen but I agree with those of you who said LeBron is the better player. That's just how it is. :confusedshrug:

Let me put it this way:
LeBron on the Cavs = easily a 60 win team
Pippen on the Cavs = maybe 50 wins if lucky.

I'm not hating on Pippen. Hell, he's one of my favorite players of all-time. He led the Bulls to the Playoffs without Jordan being the frontman in the same league that had Charles Barkley, Shaquille O'Neal, Penny Hardaway, Reggie Miller, Patrick Ewing, etc., playing for opposing teams. The Bulls could've easily become a lottery team but Pippen didn't allow that. His heart and dedication was definitely bigger than LeBron's, all day, everyday; however, skills-wise, LeBron takes the cake.

I think this is pretty much spot on.

And I don't understand why it matters that Rodman was a screwball. He made a point that's definitely worth a discussion.

[nbastatus]

Rodman is right. Don't even compare Lebron to Pippen because Lebron is way out of Pippen's league.

[Bigsmoke]

Complimentary star = Pip

Franchise player = Lebron

thats because Lebron is too good to be a "Complimentary star"

[Ne 1]

:oldlol: @ this "complimentary star" crap.

Sorry, but an MVP caliber player isn't just some "complementary star".

[New York Knicks]

:oldlol: @ this "complimentary star" crap.

Sorry, but an MVP caliber player isn't just some "complementary star".
Pippen > Kobe

[97 bulls]

:oldlol: @ this "complimentary star" crap.

Sorry, but an MVP caliber player isn't just some "complementary star".
Exactly

[Harion]

Pippen has the best all-around game I've ever seen in an NBA player. Lebron simply has nothing on him when it comes to a complete game. However, Lebron is much better than Pippen on several aspects of the game in which he does excel at. If Lebron would only improve and add more to his game (defense, post up, moving off ball), Lebron would definitely blow Pippen out of the water.

[Teanett]

lebron is the better athlete, shooter, dribbler, finisher, but he has mountains to climb to get to pip's understanding of the game on both sides of the court.
i can't see a team led by pippen play such ugly ass iso basketball and looking clueless sometimes as the heat do now.

[cavsfanatic]

Jordan was back the next year.. a month before the '95 playoffs.. They lost to Orlando.. MJ played
Damn that's even worse then. Orlando was nice but they got swept in finals right?

[cavsfanatic]

Pippen has the best all-around game I've ever seen in an NBA player. Lebron simply has nothing on him when it comes to a complete game. However, Lebron is much better than Pippen on several aspects of the game in which he does excel at. If Lebron would only improve and add more to his game (defense, post up, moving off ball), Lebron would definitely blow Pippen out of the water.
Lebron D solid. He will never post and moving without the ball? Lmao. Lebron just a big ass pg imo.

[catch24]

Obviously LeBron is a better individual player but Pippen brought MORE to his team. The perfect utility player. He could defend, rebound; be the teams playmaker, all while scoring the ball if he was asked to. His 3PT shooting was probably the most underrated aspect of his game actually.

LeBron, like Kobe and Jordan were and ARE just so dominant offensively which is what ultimately separates them.

[Bandito]

Lebron D solid. He will never post and moving without the ball? Lmao. Lebron just a big ass pg imo.
Lebron D is solid as Jello.:lol

He can't defend in the post and he is average in the perimeter as well. He doesn't have any post up moves which I think he will need in the future if he wants to be effective in the future. I think he will get better as he notices his athletic ability diminishing though. Also he doesn't move without the ball at all and that's why the Heat struggle in the beginning of the season. Wade is the one that had to sacrifice his game by a lot.

[kingkong]

I'm sure if you asked KG to pick a starting SF for the all star game, he'd go with Paul Pierce over LeBron

[cavsfanatic]

Lebron D is solid as Jello.:lol

He can't defend in the post and he is average in the perimeter as well. He doesn't have any post up moves which I think he will need in the future if he wants to be effective in the future. I think he will get better as he notices his athletic ability diminishing though. Also he doesn't move without the ball at all and that's why the Heat struggle in the beginning of the season. Wade is the one that had to sacrifice his game by a lot.
I think his D solid but obviously not as good as it can be. I lmao @ moving without the ball cuz it will never happen.

[che guevara]

Obviously LeBron is a better individual player but Pippen brought MORE to his team. The perfect utility player. He could defend, rebound; be the teams playmaker, all while scoring the ball if he was asked to. His 3PT shooting was probably the most underrated aspect of his game actually.

LeBron, like Kobe and Jordan were and ARE just so dominant offensively which is what ultimately separates them.
Pippen was not a good 3 point shooter. His best season without the pulled in 3 point line was 34.4% and he usually hovered around 32%.

[catch24]

Pippen was not a good 3 point shooter. His best season without the pulled in 3 point line was 34.4% and he usually hovered around 32%.

He wasn't "good" if you're trying to compare him to the elite 3 ball specialists, but he was above average some seasons (the years where they shortened the 3PT line, but if you can make them on a respective %, why not take them? Shortened or not, there shouldn't be an asterisk next to his 3PT shooting). He had a couple solid stints with both Portland and Houston, again, shooting just above the league average.

[97 bulls]

Pippen was not a good 3 point shooter. His best season without the pulled in 3 point line was 34.4% and he usually hovered around 32%.
He was decent to solid as a 3pt shooter. 34% in that time was pretty good.

[97 bulls]

I think his D solid but obviously not as good as it can be. I lmao @ moving without the ball cuz it will never happen.
This is a great point. Far too often people only gauge offense based solely on how well you can put the ball in the hoop. There's so many different aspects to being a great offensive player and pippen is much better than lebron in that aspect. Now obviously lebron has never really needed to learn how to score in the post, move without the ball etc. And he may eventually. But right now he's a ball dominant scorer.

[Teanett]

This is a great point. Far too often people only gauge offense based solely on how well you can put the ball in the hoop. There's so many different aspects to being a great offensive player and pippen is much better than lebron in that aspect. Now obviously lebron has never really needed to learn how to score in the post, move without the ball etc. And he may eventually. But right now he's a ball dominant scorer.

he looks puzzled when he doesn't have the ball.
he's not a complete player yet.
like a bodybuilder with chicken legs.
like a singer with no sense of rhythm.

[97 bulls]

he looks puzzled when he doesn't have the ball.
he's not a complete player yet.
like a bodybuilder with chicken legs.
like a singer with no sense of rhythm.
Lol classic.

[Showtime]

I look at the end result. Bottom line. Shaq isn't winning shit without Kobe or any other star player. These "franchise" and "complimentary" labels are crap to me because one doesn't exist without the other. Sure these guys can put up video game numbers that make stat geeks go nuts but ultimately without another star (or what you term complimentary players) they're going the f**k home in the first or second round lol. And then guess what happens? Everyone starts questioning that "franchise" label because these guys are losing every year.

This is such shit logic. By your logic, Robert Horry is as important as Shaq, because if Horry wasn't burying those jumpers and playing defense, Shaq doesn't get a 3 peat in LA. Dude, just stop. Kenny Smith = Hakeem. Paxon = Jordan. Dude, you are a moron.

[97 bulls]

This is such shit logic. By your logic, Robert Horry is as important as Shaq, because if Horry wasn't burying those jumpers and playing defense, Shaq doesn't get a 3 peat in LA. Dude, just stop. Kenny Smith = Hakeem. Paxon = Jordan. Dude, you are a moron.
I think its similar to the human body. If someone were to ask you what part you could afford to loose which one would you pick?

[D.J.]

I loved Pippen growing up, but Lebron is the more superior player. Scottie is however the much better defender. If you need to win one game and you're going up against a top perimeter player in the league, odds are you're going to go with Pippen even though he's not as dominant. The more complete player doesn't necessarily equal better defensively, more clutch, or chemistry.

[rizzy]

the quote from this interview came out 3 years ago

[magnax1]

I have to really wonder what Rodman is going to say in his Hall of fame speech...

[oldschool4ever]

I'd take Prime Pip over every player in the league.


that tells us all how much of a dumbass you are. your basketball knowledge is like a cow. it's moot.

[wakencdukest]

Rodman is a dipshit. LeBron and Pippen are a good comparison. They have similar games, they are both versatile, both play point forward, both are very athletic. Why not compare them? But, to say that Pippen is sooo much better than LeBron that they can't even be mentioned together is Ridiculous. Rodman is clearly biased. Personally, I think LeBron is better.

[97 bulls]

Rodman is a dipshit. LeBron and Pippen are a good comparison. They have similar games, they are both versatile, both play point forward, both are very athletic. Why not compare them? But, to say that Pippen is sooo much better than LeBron that they can't even be mentioned together is Ridiculous. Rodman is clearly biased. Personally, I think LeBron is better.
Rodman did say this a few yrs ago.

[wakencdukest]

Rodman did say this a few yrs ago.


I thought this was a recent comment?

[Lebron23]

I thought this was a recent comment?

Knightfall88 is a LeBron hater. Jeff needs to lock this thread.

[az00m]

he said this at least 6months ago...

[Ne 1]

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-10/06/xin_41100106095240813701.jpg

http://lovealwayssunny.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/lbj-crying.jpg

:cheers:

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/5593/alphawolf12452042844361.jpg

Nique was the better dunker :no:

[nbacardDOTnet]

Rodman: Don

[kaiiu]

I agree. Pippen has much more intangibles than Lebron

[Jan95]

Pippen would have 30/10/10/3/3 in todays league.

[EricForman]

why do we put so much emphasis and energy into what a former player makes an outrageous claim?

It's one thing to say Lebron isn't as good as Pip as an all around player, but don't even belong in the discussion? Gee, Lebron only averaged like 30 8, 9 last year.

Lebron is better than Pippen ever was. That's just the truth.

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

Shut up troll. I'll B1tch slap you back to General Santos.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[EricForman]

I look at the end result. Bottom line. Shaq isn't winning shit without Kobe or any other star player. These "franchise" and "complimentary" labels are crap to me because one doesn't exist without the other. Sure these guys can put up video game numbers that make stat geeks go nuts but ultimately without another star (or what you term complimentary players) they're going the f**k home in the first or second round lol. And then guess what happens? Everyone starts questioning that "franchise" label because these guys are losing every year.

Jordan was putting up video game numbers and going home ringless every year before Pippen became a star. He was questioned and criticized that he couldn't do what Magic and Bird (who had stars around them) were doing. Kobe (post-Shaq) was putting up video game numbers and exiting in the first round every year before Gasol. His "franchise" rep was questioned plenty...especially in the 2006 playoffs when it appeared he quit on his team and then went on his offseason tirade in 2007 throwing teammates under the bus. Lebron, same deal, putting up video game numbers and then bowing out in the 2nd round and getting his "franchise" label questioned last year when it appears that he quit against Boston. That's who those guys ARE without another star beside them. That's why I don't buy into that "franchise" bullshit. One can't exist without the other.


That's a weak logic, becuase basically what you're saying is WE SIMPLY CANNOT JUDGE THE IMPORTANCES OF STARS. So if Miami wins the title this year, THEN BOSH IS EXACTLY 100% AS IMPORTANT AS WADE/LEBRON, nothing more, nothing less. Or if Bulls win, then BOOZER IS EXACTLY AS IMPORTANT AS ROSE.

Yes, it's true that Shaq probably wouldn't have won anything if Kobe Bryant had suffered a season ending injury every April from 2000-2002. But that doesn't mean Kobe was as important as Shaq, because anyone with common sense could look at the situation and come to the conclusion that there were probably 5-8 other guards in the league that coulda replaced Kobe and Lakers stil win, while there were probably ZERO players in the league who could have replaced Shaq and result in a Laker championship. Therefore, Shaq was more important during the threepeat and was the crucial, franchise player.

By your logic, Fox and Horry were just as important as Kobe and Shaq becuase they were there for every title win and they definitely made big contributions.

[FindingTim]

Lebron is better than Pippen ever was. That's just the truth.

it's not the truth though. Lebron is better statistically, but the the entire offense revolves around his ball-handling, thereby inflating his statistics.

Scottie put up great stats playing as 2nd fiddle to the GOAT, while being arguably the best defensive player of all-time. Scottie had no weaknesses, Lebron has many (ballhog, mediocre b-ball IQ, no post-game, is a douche etc.)

try the pickup game test: if you have first pick and Lebron/Scottie are the two best players, who would you pick? Personally I think Pippen gives you a better chance at winning (but it's close), and isn't the ultimate goal in basketball to win?

Lebron is a better basketball specimen, Scottie was a better basketball player.

[olddangerfield]

it's not the truth though. Lebron is better statistically, but the the entire offense revolves around his ball-handling, thereby inflating his statistics.

Scottie put up great stats playing as 2nd fiddle to the GOAT, while being arguably the best defensive player of all-time. Scottie had no weaknesses, Lebron has many (ballhog, mediocre b-ball IQ, no post-game, is a douche etc.)

try the pickup game test: if you have first pick and Lebron/Scottie are the two best players, who would you pick? Personally I think Pippen gives you a better chance at winning (but it's close), and isn't the ultimate goal in basketball to win?

Lebron is a better athletic specimen, Scottie was a better basketball player.

Fixed, and pretty much this.

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

Pippen was a vastly superior defender.
Lebron is the better offensive player.
Intangibles? hard to say. Pippen was never really thrown into the sole leadership position, except for that one season.

[hitmanyr2k]

That's a weak logic, becuase basically what you're saying is WE SIMPLY CANNOT JUDGE THE IMPORTANCES OF STARS. So if Miami wins the title this year, THEN BOSH IS EXACTLY 100% AS IMPORTANT AS WADE/LEBRON, nothing more, nothing less. Or if Bulls win, then BOOZER IS EXACTLY AS IMPORTANT AS ROSE.

Who cares who's more important? I look at the end result. I have trouble with stupid ass labels like "franchise" and "complimentary" for star players. Like I said before, you can call a certain player franchise this or franchise that but without another star that "franchise" player is basically going home every year in the first or second round. Yippee for the great "franchise" player. Hell, the "complimentary" star could probably accomplish the same end result of guiding his team to the playoffs and losing in the first or second round as well.

If the Bulls win? We all know they aren't winning jack. They don't have another star (I don't consider Boozer a true star) to take the heat off Rose which once again proves my point. Rose can be called "franchise" or MVP or whatever else you want to call him but the end result is he's going home in the 1st round (worst case scenario) or 2nd round (best case scenario). If the Bulls are incredibly fortunate they can get to the ECF at best. And I don't consider Bosh a star either...never have. He's basically Horace Grant without the defense and rebounding. Wade and Lebron are the stars of that Heat team.


Yes, it's true that Shaq probably wouldn't have won anything if Kobe Bryant had suffered a season ending injury every April from 2000-2002. But that doesn't mean Kobe was as important as Shaq, because anyone with common sense could look at the situation and come to the conclusion that there were probably 5-8 other guards in the league that coulda replaced Kobe and Lakers stil win, while there were probably ZERO players in the league who could have replaced Shaq and result in a Laker championship. Therefore, Shaq was more important during the threepeat and was the crucial, franchise player.

I don't care who replaces who. My point is the two stars without each other aren't winning shit regardless so the dumbass labels given to these star players aren't as important to me as they are to others. And what other 5-8 guards are you replacing Kobe with? Have you questioned if these other 5-8 guards have the same physical attributes and skillset as Kobe Bryant? Do these players have the IQ to play in the triangle offense? No worries about chemistry with Shaq and the other players? Do the other 5-8 guards play defense? You would think after seeing the Lebron/Wade experiment this year people would cease with the "you can substitute this player for that player and still win a championship" bullshit. It's not that simple.


By your logic, Fox and Horry were just as important as Kobe and Shaq becuase they were there for every title win and they definitely made big contributions.

We're talking about stars here. This is not about roleplayers.

[Kevin_Gamble]

Pippen was a vastly superior defender.
Lebron is the better offensive player.
Intangibles? hard to say. Pippen was never really thrown into the sole leadership position, except for that one season.

Yeah and that one season Bulls won 55 games. After losing ****ing Michael Jordan. It's like if Mo Williams led Cavs to 55 win season, or if Wade led Heat to 55 wins after Shaq was suddenly gone for a season and you couldn't sign someone to replace him.

[Harion]

Pippen was a vastly superior defender.
Lebron is the better offensive player.
Intangibles? hard to say. Pippen was never really thrown into the sole leadership position, except for that one season.
a PC and an internet connection are all ignorant fks like you need nowadays. :facepalm Pippen led the Blazers that almost won it all if not for that epic 4th Q meltdown.

[sh0wtime]

What in the world am i seeing here? These mindbogling statements, guess this is what Lebron hatred can do to you huh? A result in neglecting even Lebrons game.

Look, Pippen was an awesome defensive player and i loved the guy, but this comparasion and overrating of Pippen in this thread needs a tranquilizer, he is the last player i would want to see be overrated like this.

I know you want to respect the all-time greats and history (and bash Lebron) but Pippen was never even remotely close or ever showed a glimpse to be as good a player as Lebron in any facit of the game or skills or talent except for the obvious which is Defense, which Pippen was better at.

The gamestyle they play is extremly similar, point-forward all-round players, but thats where it stops and makes a u turn. Just like Pippen said about his favorite player of all time (Lebron) that Lebron: "Is the best player in the world" and in comparasant to himself he said that Lebron: "Is the advancement, the evolution, supercharged version of players like me".

There is a whole bunch of players i would say were better than Pippen in the 90s. This must stop, now Pippen and Lamar Odom is more accurately a much better comparasion, very similar in every way, except for defense.

Speaking of Rodmans statement, the few braincells he has were right about one thing: "Dont compare Lebron to Pippen".

[Ne 1]

This must stop, now Pippen and Lamar Odom is more accurately a much better comparasion, very similar in every way, except for defense.


Odom > LeBron

Pippen > LeBron

Hell, until LeBron wins something.....

Some guy on the street who never did anything > LeBron

[FindingTim]

This must stop, now Pippen and Lamar Odom is more accurately a much better comparasion, very similar in every way, except for defense.

ok, we may be overrating Pippen a tad, but not nearly to the degree you are underrating him with that Lamar Odom comparison. You can't be serious.

They have similarities, but Lamar is the homeless version of Scottie (even though he's quite good).

Pippen had the ability to be the best player on a contender- is Lamar Odom of that caliber?

[97 bulls]

What in the world am i seeing here? These mindbogling statements, guess this is what Lebron hatred can do to you huh? A result in neglecting even Lebrons game.

Look, Pippen was an awesome defensive player and i loved the guy, but this comparasion and overrating of Pippen in this thread needs a tranquilizer, he is the last player i would want to see be overrated like this.

I know you want to respect the all-time greats and history (and bash Lebron) but Pippen was never even remotely close or ever showed a glimpse to be as good a player as Lebron in any facit of the game or skills or talent except for the obvious which is Defense, which Pippen was better at.

The gamestyle they play is extremly similar, point-forward all-round players, but thats where it stops and makes a u turn. Just like Pippen said about his favorite player of all time (Lebron) that Lebron: "Is the best player in the world" and in comparasant to himself he said that Lebron: "Is the advancement, the evolution, supercharged version of players like me".

There is a whole bunch of players i would say were better than Pippen in the 90s. This must stop, now Pippen and Lamar Odom is more accurately a much better comparasion, very similar in every way, except for defense.

Speaking of Rodmans statement, the few braincells he has were right about one thing: "Dont compare Lebron to Pippen".

This is where comparisons become unfair. Why compare pippen and james based on james strengths? How bout we look at each players results as the leader of their respective teams? Pippen didn't have 7 years as the leader of a team.