MJ's competition vs Kobe's in the modern era [Archive] - Message Board Basketball Forum

Ne 1

02-25-2011, 02:31 PM

This is what teams/players looked like during Jordan's era:

http://www.jproc.ca/rrp/albro_lake_basketball_team_b.jpg

http://www.insidesocal.com/tomhoffarth/Marathon%2520Basketball.jpg

Compared to the athletes of Kobe's era:

http://www2.thecelebrityworkout.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/lebron-muscle.jpg

http://www.mensfitness.com/images/mf/209299/11039.jpg

http://oi53.tinypic.com/6omr8p.jpg

http://i.usatoday.net/sports/_photos/2008/10/27/topper-artest.jpg

http://i534.photobucket.com/albums/ee350/Jarg007/dwight_howard_2.jpg

http://oi55.tinypic.com/2ljtaua.jpg

http://oi54.tinypic.com/2afibrc.jpg

http://oi55.tinypic.com/24or6tj.jpg

Harion

02-25-2011, 02:38 PM

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_OzWla_7GOKo/TSBYOTkMpgI/AAAAAAAAAFc/V6C8XndJcWI/s1600/kobe_shaq.jpg

Career .557 TS%

02-25-2011, 02:41 PM

hey! those guys can ball.

OmniStrife

02-25-2011, 02:41 PM

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_OzWla_7GOKo/TSBYOTkMpgI/AAAAAAAAAFc/V6C8XndJcWI/s1600/kobe_shaq.jpg
This

kaiiu

02-25-2011, 02:43 PM

:roll: :roll:

branslowski

02-25-2011, 02:45 PM

:roll: :roll: :roll:

OmniStrife

02-25-2011, 02:45 PM

http://i55.tinypic.com/2wguo3a.png

kaiiu

02-25-2011, 02:46 PM

damn ppl came in this thread mad as fvck, cmon its funny you must admit

Ne 1

02-25-2011, 02:49 PM

http://i55.tinypic.com/2wguo3a.png

I would respect that if this wasn't his competition:

http://www.joshuaowlsonline.com/temp/bball1930s.jpg

Disaprine

02-25-2011, 02:50 PM

:facepalm

asdf1990

02-25-2011, 02:52 PM

http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/3306/michaeljordantrophies.jpg

Harion

02-25-2011, 02:53 PM

MJ defeated these guys.
http://pcbeach.net/portfolio/assets/images/SpaceJamLg.jpg
Kobe has nothing on MJ

LBJ 23

02-25-2011, 02:53 PM

Conclusion: Kobe is better than Jordan

:facepalm

Dwade305

02-25-2011, 02:53 PM

:sleeping

Disaprine

02-25-2011, 02:55 PM

more reasons why trolls should be banned from this site.

Ne 1

02-25-2011, 02:56 PM

http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/3306/michaeljordantrophies.jpg

I would respect that if he didn't win all that playing against teams that looked like this:

http://www.historicdisasters.com/blog2/ny-jamestown-basketball1936r.jpg

lakers_forever

02-25-2011, 03:00 PM

This thread was just an excuse for the OP to show his collection of shirtless ripped black men.

asdf1990

02-25-2011, 03:02 PM

I would respect that if he didn't win all that playing against teams that looked like this:

http://media.commercialappeal.com/media/img/photos/2009/10/27/1900sbasketballlaugh_t607.JPG

atleast its better than wilts competition

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_bzG598R7DiM/S_SrnKv_VaI/AAAAAAAAAHw/DBsbkWjjNfE/s1600/midget_basketball.jpg
http://www.clevercaption.com/uploadedImages/bud/_midget-basketball-players.jpg

Javat_90

02-25-2011, 03:06 PM

This is clearly not a troll thread.

az00m

02-25-2011, 03:07 PM

http://systemfailure.files.wordpress.com/2006/08/nba_1992_dream_team.jpg

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/9589/the1996teamoutscoredtheiropponentsby318pointsperga meobb4.jpg

http://celticshub.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/pg2_g_shaq_magic_300.jpg

http://hoopsapedia.webs.com/jordan-ewing_display_image.jpg

http://hoopedia.nba.com/images/7/7d/Dennis5.jpg

http://www.thesportsjury.com/images/stories/2010/payton.jpg

http://www.blacktoptens.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/hakeem.jpg

Ne 1

02-25-2011, 03:07 PM

atleast its better than wilts competition

http://i29.servimg.com/u/f29/15/59/70/21/mugsy-10.jpg

alenleomessi

02-25-2011, 03:11 PM

http://www.profilebrand.com/funny-pictures/category/people/753_knife-kid-gtfo.gif

Bigsmoke

02-25-2011, 03:13 PM

I agree. teams now are better than they were in the 90's

but lets not post team that were in the 1950's:oldlol:

PowerGlove

02-25-2011, 03:14 PM

MJ defeated these guys.
http://pcbeach.net/portfolio/assets/images/SpaceJamLg.jpg
Kobe has nothing on MJ
:roll:

rodman91

02-25-2011, 03:27 PM

http://cdn.indowebster.com/www45.indowebster.com/f1187bc3b4a4840bb04febdf40ca2bab_thumbnail.jpg

rodman91

02-25-2011, 03:28 PM

This thread was just an excuse for the OP to show his collection of shirtless ripped black men.

:roll:

Career .557 TS%

02-25-2011, 03:30 PM

http://www.soundoffcolumn.com/images/jordan-dr-jay.jpg

NBASTATMAN

02-25-2011, 03:47 PM

http://cdn.indowebster.com/www45.indowebster.com/f1187bc3b4a4840bb04febdf40ca2bab_thumbnail.jpg

He even resorts to hacking kids.. I bet he wasn't called for it..:lol

XxSMSxX

02-25-2011, 03:55 PM

He even resorts to hacking kids.. I bet he wasn't called for it..:lol

Looks more like fondling to me, i guess kobe went from ugly ass white girls in colarado to chinese boys? :confusedshrug:

crisoner

02-25-2011, 04:02 PM

MJ defeated these guys.
http://pcbeach.net/portfolio/assets/images/SpaceJamLg.jpg
Kobe has nothing on MJ

THIS!!! lol

rodman91

02-25-2011, 04:08 PM

80's pistons
http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/Michael%20Jordan/VS/Detroit%20Pistons/Isiah%20Thomas/-mj.jpg

VS

Kobe
http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn304/dmonreal2/Kobe-Gay.jpg

=
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v295/epikunwari/kobe_fail.jpg

rodman91

02-25-2011, 04:09 PM

KOBE'S ERA
http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u296/emotionless2007/cpflop.gif
VS
JORDAN'S ERA
http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/z%20Funny%20NBA%20Photos/Funny%20Situation/Hit/not%20funny%20-%20Karl%20Malone/dirtykarlmalonekillsisiahthomaswith.gif

Ne 1

02-25-2011, 04:10 PM

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Xd7W6OPSCuI/SWLXsNXHqNI/AAAAAAAAB2Q/MYt_QLSJlLw/s400/8889ClevelandEhloDunkedHand.jpg

http://oi51.tinypic.com/2r5cf95.jpg

http://oi53.tinypic.com/2lm3r5j.jpg

http://chicitysportsfan.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/jordan-93.jpg

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/Michael%20Jordan/VS/Utah%20Jazz/MichaelJordan-UltimateBEST402000mpg.jpg

http://oi55.tinypic.com/30kg5sl.jpg

XxSMSxX

02-25-2011, 04:14 PM

blablabla

02-25-2011, 04:23 PM

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Soundwave

02-25-2011, 04:26 PM

Kobe's been shut down by caucasians before ...

http://itsguycode.com/images/stories/cheaters/katelyn_faber.jpg

http://static.thehollywoodgossip.com/images/gallery/kobe-bryant-mug-shot.jpg

:oldlol:

kaiiu

02-25-2011, 04:28 PM

Kobe's been shut down by a caucasians before ...

http://itsguycode.com/images/stories/cheaters/katelyn_faber.jpg

http://static.thehollywoodgossip.com/images/gallery/kobe-bryant-mug-shot.jpg

:oldlol:
damn that was the first time I ever seen the girl:lol :lol

Teanett

02-25-2011, 04:31 PM

ne 1 = a racist rapist fan.

Soundwave

02-25-2011, 04:35 PM

Yeah lets watch Kobe shred that late 90s Jazz defense apart ....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ws2yhBzJjis&feature=related

Oh ... yeah. :oldlol:

Ne 1

02-25-2011, 04:36 PM

http://oi56.tinypic.com/2wnto4x.jpg

AlphaWolf24

02-25-2011, 04:38 PM

Yeah lets watch Kobe shred that late 90s Jazz defense apart ....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ws2yhBzJjis&feature=related

Oh ... yeah. :oldlol:

Kobe was "too young"...just like MJ shot 41% in the modern era was just "too old"

Soundwave

02-25-2011, 04:40 PM

Kobe was "too young"...just like MJ shot 41% in the modern era was just "too old"

Didn't he get punked by Utah again in '98?

I guess he just didn't know how to utilize his awesome athletic powers to overwhelm those short Utah white guys.

Or maybe, just maybe it wasn't that easy to play against the Jazz.

Ne 1

02-25-2011, 04:44 PM

http://oi53.tinypic.com/4t0dw0.jpg

Ne 1

02-25-2011, 04:55 PM

Yeah lets watch Kobe shred that late 90s Jazz defense apart ....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ws2yhBzJjis&feature=related

Oh ... yeah. :oldlol:

Kobe at 18 year old kid back then, he was on his way to becoming the youngest All-Star in NBA history. When MJ was 18 he had to make sandwiches for Sam Perkins at North Carolina. :oldlol:

Hell, Kobe at 18 dropped 33 on Jordan and dunked on his azz...on Jordan's home court!

If Kobe was in his prime back then you don't think he would have destroyed a league full of JJ Redick's?

AlphaWolf24

02-25-2011, 05:04 PM

Didn't he get punked by Utah again in '98?

I guess he just didn't know how to utilize his awesome athletic powers to overwhelm those short Utah white guys.

Or maybe, just maybe it wasn't that easy to play against the Jazz.

the only reason he got "punked" was because Del Harris limited his playing time....The Lakers had no one to make up for Shaq's Foul trouble's and poor freethrow shooting.

Kobe as a Starter was the main weapon in the 4th quarters and crunchtime...and helped lead the lakers in 00' 01' 02' (Yes 00' is just a few years later then 98')

and just a few years later MJ came back and shot 41% (In a much easier era...according to you.....surely MJ's expierience in a "tougher" era would let him shoot at least 50%?...right?)

( waits for it's ok to slight Kobe but how dare you say Jordan could'nt shoot 50% in the modern era)

hkfosho

02-25-2011, 05:04 PM

damn only 3 pages and the OP already got shat on his face :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

crisoner

02-25-2011, 05:08 PM

Kobe's been shut down by caucasians before ...

http://itsguycode.com/images/stories/cheaters/katelyn_faber.jpg

http://static.thehollywoodgossip.com/images/gallery/kobe-bryant-mug-shot.jpg

:oldlol:

Ummm have you ever heard of Face Jam?

Funny...you can't find images of it anymore on the web. Jordan's people probably taking it all down.

And going back to the topic...let see...

Jordan's comp during prime....

- Ewing's Knicks
- Malone and Stockton Jazz
- Drexler's Blazers
- Magic Shaq and Penny era
- Dream's Rockets
- Payton and Kemp Sonics
- Reggie's Pacers
- Sir Charles and KJ Suns
- Early Shaq Lakers

Total Titles from Comp = 2 (Dreams Rockets Jordan was out of the NBA)

Jordan early Years...

- Showtime Lakers
- Bad Boy Pistons
- Bird's Celtics

Total Titles from Comp = 10

Kobe's Prime

- Duncan Spurs
- Big Three Celtics
- Bron Cavs
- Wade and Shaq Heat
- Dirk Mavs
- Nash Run and Gun Suns
- Howard Magic
- Billup Pistons)

Total Titels from Comp = 6 (Spurs 3, Pistons 1, Heat 1, and Celtics 1)

Early Kobe Comp

- Webber and Divac Kings
- Twin Tower Spurs
- Pippen Blazers
- Kidd Nets
- Iverson Sixers
- Jordan Bulls
- Malone and Stockton Jazz
- Miller Pacers

Total Titles from Comp = 4 (Bulls 3, Spurs 1)

What do you guys think about that break down?

puppychili

02-25-2011, 05:11 PM

Typical. Lakers looking less and less likely to win the title this year which would leave Kobe (like Magic) one shy of Jordan.

So let's bring up the "competition" argument AGAIN.

First it was the 80's that were far superior to the 90's. Now the 00's are superior as well. Gee, that couldn't have anything to do with the fact that the Lakers were very successful in the 80's and 00's but really didn't do much during the 90's.

Nah, couldn't be that.:rolleyes:

rodman91

02-25-2011, 05:17 PM

the only reason he got "punked" was because Del Harris limited his playing time....The Lakers had no one to make up for Shaq's Foul trouble's and poor freethrow shooting.

Kobe as a Starter was the main weapon in the 4th quarters and crunchtime...and helped lead the lakers in 00' 01' 02' (Yes 00' is just a few years later then 98')

and just a few years later MJ came back and shot 41% (In a much easier era...according to you.....surely MJ's expierience in a "tougher" era would let him shoot at least 50%?...right?)

( waits for it's ok to slight Kobe but how dare you say Jordan could'nt shoot 50% in the modern era)

40 years old Jordan average 44.5 FG%
Kobe's career average 45.5 FG%

AlphaWolf24

02-25-2011, 05:19 PM

Jordan averaged 44.5 FG% in the modern era
Kobe's career average 45.5 FG%

fixed...

Ne 1

02-25-2011, 05:22 PM

Jordan was Ricky Davis status in the modern era.

Jordan in '03: 20/6/4 taking 19 shots per game.

Ricky in '03: 21/5/6 taking 19 shots per game.

:oldlol: Sorry, but if you have to take 19 shots to score 20 points then your worthless.

rodman91

02-25-2011, 05:29 PM

[B]Jordan averaged 44.5 FG% in the modern era
Kobe's career average 45.5 FG%

Kobe averaged 7.6 and 15.4 ppg with 41 & 43 FG% in Jordan's era.
Jordan averaged 22.9 and 20.0 ppg with 41 & 45 FG% in modern era.

fixed.:lol

Ne 1

02-25-2011, 05:29 PM

Jordan averaged 44.5 FG% in the modern era
Kobe's career average 45.5 FG%

Interesting, so there really isn't a difference between their FG% like MJ stans wants us to believe.

PrimeJohnnyDepp

02-25-2011, 05:32 PM

MJ defeated these guys.
http://pcbeach.net/portfolio/assets/images/SpaceJamLg.jpg
Kobe has nothing on MJ

http://blogs.pitch.com/wayward/danny-trejo.jpg
http://www.absoluteeuu.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Asia-Pacific-Poker-Tour-APPT-2007.jpg
http://www.zmemusic.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/kanye_west.jpg

rodman91

02-25-2011, 05:35 PM

Interesting, so there really isn't a difference between their FG% like MJ stans wants us to believe.

Only if your kobe-love blinds your eyes.that's 40 years old Jordan. Jordan's career avg. 49.7 FG% which is kobe never had even in his highest FG% year.

Ne 1

02-25-2011, 05:36 PM

And going back to the topic...let see...

Jordan's comp during prime....

- Ewing's Knicks
- Malone and Stockton Jazz
- Drexler's Blazers
- Magic Shaq and Penny era
- Dream's Rockets
- Payton and Kemp Sonics
- Reggie's Pacers
- Sir Charles and KJ Suns
- Early Shaq Lakers

Total Titles from Comp = 2 (Dreams Rockets Jordan was out of the NBA)

Jordan early Years...

- Showtime Lakers
- Bad Boy Pistons
- Bird's Celtics

Total Titles from Comp = 10

Kobe's Prime

- Duncan Spurs
- Big Three Celtics
- Bron Cavs
- Wade and Shaq Heat
- Dirk Mavs
- Nash Run and Gun Suns
- Howard Magic
- Billup Pistons)

Total Titels from Comp = 6 (Spurs 3, Pistons 1, Heat 1, and Celtics 1)

Early Kobe Comp

- Webber and Divac Kings
- Twin Tower Spurs
- Pippen Blazers
- Kidd Nets
- Iverson Sixers
- Jordan Bulls
- Malone and Stockton Jazz
- Miller Pacers

Total Titles from Comp = 4 (Bulls 3, Spurs 1)

What do you guys think about that break down?

- Twin Tower SPurs

:cheers:

Ne 1

02-25-2011, 05:38 PM

Only if your kobe-love blinds your eyes.that's 40 years old Jordan. Jordan's career avg. 49.7 FG% which is kobe never had even in his highest FG% year.

If you compare Kobe & Jordan's eFG% vs the league averages during their time, Kobe is actually more efficient than Jordan. Although it's marginal....

Soundwave

02-25-2011, 05:39 PM

40 years old Jordan average 44.5 FG%
Kobe's career average 45.5 FG%

:oldlol:

http://assets.espn.go.com/i/magazine/new/kobe_bryant_press.jpg

Walduś

02-25-2011, 05:40 PM

Jordan 5 losing seasons without Pippen

Soundwave

02-25-2011, 05:43 PM

Kobe couldn't even make the playoffs with Odom and Butler :oldlol:

Always needs a good big man to shelter him.

Ne 1

02-25-2011, 05:45 PM

Jordan 5 losing seasons without Pippen

http://oi56.tinypic.com/kcm25h.jpg

Ne 1

02-25-2011, 05:46 PM

Always needs a good big man to shelter him.

Kobe with Kwame Brown = playoffs

Jordan with Kwame Brown = no playoffs

Walduś

02-25-2011, 05:46 PM

Kobe with Kwame Brown = playoffs

Jordan with Kwame Brown = no playoffs
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

crisoner

02-25-2011, 05:47 PM

Kobe couldn't even make the playoffs with Odom and Butler :oldlol:

Always needs a good big man to shelter him.

Kobe missed the playoffs once....are you suggesting that making the playoffs in a highly competitive WC with Kwame Brown as your starting Center is easy?

N*gga please.

Let me add the year he missed he was injured and did not play the last stretch of the season.

Soundwave

02-25-2011, 05:48 PM

crisoner

02-25-2011, 05:49 PM

Soundwave

02-25-2011, 05:50 PM

Kobe missed the playoffs once....are you suggesting that making the playoffs in a highly competitive WC with Kwame Brown as your starting Center is easy?

N*gga please.

Let me add the year he missed he was injured and did not play the last stretch of the season.

Jordan made the playoffs like a dozen times with crap at center and won 72 games with Luc Longley at center.

Odom + Butler would've been more than enough to at least get a playoff berth.

Soundwave

02-25-2011, 05:50 PM

Ummm how old are you?

Irrelevant, because it's true. And it's going to be deeeeeelicious.

rodman91

02-25-2011, 05:52 PM

Jordan 5 losing seasons without Pippen

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_career_achievements_by_Michael_Jordan

http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/4966/gtfo9wj.jpg

Ne 1

02-25-2011, 05:52 PM

I will laugh if Ne1 can still show his face on these boards in 2 years time when Kobe is a broken down old fart getting schooled by LeBron and Wade and Melo and Durant and probably some kid that's 17 right now in third period Math class.

Jordan was a broken down old fart and got schooled by Kobe. Kobe scored 55 on his old azz with 42 in one half. :roll:

Walduś

02-25-2011, 05:53 PM

Pippen made the playoffs like a dozen times with crap at center and won 72 games with Luc Longley at center.

fixed

Ne 1

02-25-2011, 05:53 PM

Jordan made the playoffs like a dozen times with crap at center and won 72 games with Luc Longley at center.

Odom + Butler would've been more than enough to at least get a playoff berth.

Luc Longley was a good center, perfect for the Bulls system

His role on the Bulls was actually similar to Bynum on the Lakers ore Perkins on the Celtics.

Also Charles Oakley and Bill Cartwright aren't 'dime adozen crap'.

catch24

02-25-2011, 05:54 PM

Ummm how old are you?

I like how you're asking this dudes age yet ignore everything the OP has been posting. :oldlol:

Soundwave

02-25-2011, 05:55 PM

Luc Longley was a good center, perfect for the Bulls system

His role on the Bulls was similar to Bynum on the Lakers ore Perkins on the Celtics.

Luc Longley is a "good center" in the way Oprah Winfrey could be a Victoria's Secret model.

Bynum is more talented than every center Jordan played with combined, let alone prime Shaq and Gasol.

rodman91

02-25-2011, 06:01 PM

How many years Kobe was the best player in nba? 3?
How many years Jordan was the best player in nba? 9-10?

Ne 1

02-25-2011, 06:03 PM

Luc Longley is a "good center" in the way Oprah Winfrey could be a Victoria's Secret model.

Bynum is more talented

Longley is the best player ever from Australia. Don't know why your hating on him.

Bynum is obviously more talented.

However they had similar roles in their teams championship runs. They were the big bodies who defended and pushed around the big centers (Dwight, Perkins, young Shaq, Alonzo Mourning, Rik Smits, Ewing etc.)

They gave their teams a physical presence and allowed superior players (Pau, Rodman) to do different things while they took on the power post players for stretches- they fought for position, boxed them out, etc. That was their main role.

Longley was good for Chicago because he had a decent jumper which pulled bigs out and spread the floor for Jordan and Pippen. Bynum was good for LA because he gave them good defense and interior toughness and reliable hands for catching and finishing (valuable with Kobe and Odom play making).

Their value was similar. Bynum was more talented though.

Leviathon1121

02-25-2011, 06:03 PM

Duncan21formvp

02-25-2011, 06:04 PM

more reasons why trolls should be banned from this site.

This.

rodman91

02-25-2011, 06:04 PM

Kobe isn't even the best player of his generation :lol Duncan > Kobe.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y76/KaiRMD1/DuncanKobe.jpg

Ne 1

02-25-2011, 06:08 PM

Kobe isn't even the best player of his generation :lol Duncan > Kobe.

nah

rodman91

02-25-2011, 06:09 PM

nah
http://www.sportsmemorabilia.com/files/cache/64c/kobe-bryant-tim-duncan-may-31-1999-sports-illustrated-magazine_64c56dce1f8774134168c7592b33fa8c.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y76/KaiRMD1/DuncanKobe.jpg

Ne 1

02-25-2011, 06:10 PM

http://cache3.asset-cache.net/xc/91247846.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF878921CC759DF4EBAC47D0ECBE4C5A4EF4D6F4 0D66A09EC9195FEDA973E995386EE874

fail

rodman91

02-25-2011, 06:12 PM

fail
As you wish :lol
http://www.sportsmemorabilia.com/files/cache/64c/kobe-bryant-tim-duncan-may-31-1999-sports-illustrated-magazine_64c56dce1f8774134168c7592b33fa8c.jpg

AlphaWolf24

02-25-2011, 06:15 PM

I will laugh if Ne1 can still show his face on these boards in 2 years time when Kobe is a broken down old fart getting schooled by LeBron and Wade and Melo and Durant and probably some kid that's 17 right now in third period Math class.

In 2 Years = 7 X NBA Champion

at 18 years old was playing against HOF NBA Players averaging 7ppg in 15minutes (like you said).....at 18 years old Michael Jordan was playing against James Madison university

did I make it big enough for you?

Knickerfawker

02-25-2011, 06:17 PM

Kobe isn't even the best player of his generation :lol Duncan > Kobe.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y76/KaiRMD1/DuncanKobe.jpg

Kobe's Roles for his team:

-Primary Scorer
-Primary Defender
-Primary go to player in 4th
-Primary playmaker

Duncan's Roles for team:

-Not a primary scorer (very well-balanced scoring)
-Bowen is the primary defender (Duncan anchors the paint, but Bowen denies penetration, guards best players on other team)
-Manu and Parker are the go to guys in the 4th (Duncan also has his moments, but he is not self-sufficient)
-Parker is the primary playmaker

80+ point games: Kobe 1, Duncan 0
70+ point games Kobe 1, Duncan 0
60+ point games: Kobe 5, Duncan 0
50+ point games: Kobe 25, Duncan 0
40+ point games: Kobe 117, Duncan 9

1999: Spurs beat Lakers 4-0
2001: Lakers beat Spurs 4-0
2002: Lakers beat Spurs 4-1
2003: Spurs beat Lakers 4-2
2004: Lakers beat Spurs 4-2
2008: Lakers beat Spurs 4-1

Head-to-Head Playoff series wins:
Kobe: 4
Duncan: 2

2008 Playoffs, Lakers 4, Spurs 1

Kobe (guard) 53% FG
Duncan (Bigman) 43% FG

Duncan exposed overrated can't win without Manu and Tony.

AlphaWolf24

02-25-2011, 06:21 PM

Kobe's Roles for his team:

-Primary Scorer
-Primary Defender
-Primary go to player in 4th
-Primary playmaker

Duncan's Roles for team:

-Not a primary scorer (very well-balanced scoring)
-Bowen is the primary defender (Duncan anchors the paint, but Bowen denies penetration, guards best players on other team)
-Manu and Parker are the go to guys in the 4th (Duncan also has his moments, but he is not self-sufficient)
-Parker is the primary playmaker

80+ point games: Kobe 1, Duncan 0
70+ point games Kobe 1, Duncan 0
60+ point games: Kobe 4, Duncan 0
50+ point games: Kobe 24, Duncan 0
40+ point games: Kobe 100, Duncan 9

1999: Spurs beat Lakers 4-0
2001: Lakers beat Spurs 4-0
2002: Lakers beat Spurs 4-1
2003: Spurs beat Lakers 4-2
2004: Lakers beat Spurs 4-2
2008: Lakers beat Spurs 4-1

Head-to-Head Playoff series wins:
Kobe: 4
Duncan: 2

2008 Playoffs, Lakers 4, Spurs 1

Kobe (guard) 53% FG
Duncan (Bigman) 43% FG

Duncan exposed overrated can't win without Manu and Tony.

http://nykotynethefuture.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/dragon-fly-jones.jpg

OUCH!

puppychili

02-25-2011, 06:24 PM

It's comical, the knots you morons will tie yourselves into trying to make Kobe better than Jordan.:facepalm

rodman91

02-25-2011, 06:25 PM

Kobe's Roles for his team:

-Primary Scorer
-Primary Defender
-Primary go to player in 4th
-Primary playmaker

Duncan's Roles for team:

-Not a primary scorer (very well-balanced scoring)
-Bowen is the primary defender (Duncan anchors the paint, but Bowen denies penetration, guards best players on other team)
-Manu and Parker are the go to guys in the 4th (Duncan also has his moments, but he is not self-sufficient)
-Parker is the primary playmaker

80+ point games: Kobe 1, Duncan 0
70+ point games Kobe 1, Duncan 0
60+ point games: Kobe 4, Duncan 0
50+ point games: Kobe 24, Duncan 0
40+ point games: Kobe 100, Duncan 9

1999: Spurs beat Lakers 4-0
2001: Lakers beat Spurs 4-0
2002: Lakers beat Spurs 4-1
2003: Spurs beat Lakers 4-2
2004: Lakers beat Spurs 4-2
2008: Lakers beat Spurs 4-1

Head-to-Head Playoff series wins:
Kobe: 4
Duncan: 2

2008 Playoffs, Lakers 4, Spurs 1

Kobe (guard) 53% FG
Duncan (Bigman) 43% FG

Duncan exposed overrated can't win without Manu and Tony.

2 time MVP.3 Time FMVP.Franchise player in 4 championships. > 1 time MVP.2 time FMVP.Franchise player in 2 championship.

Shaq & Gasol vs Manu & Tony :roll:

http://cache.blippitt.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/crazy-kobe-bryant-fan.gif

Leviathon1121

02-25-2011, 06:28 PM

Anyone notice since Omnistrife made his UMAD picture thread, the Kobe trolls have gone bananas? They havent stopped for weeks now, he really got to them with that.

:roll:

rodman91

02-25-2011, 06:32 PM

Anyone notice since Omnistrife made his UMAD picture thread, the Kobe trolls have gone bananas? They havent stopped for weeks now, he really got to them with that.

:roll:

:roll:

http://ttbmarketplace.cachefly.net/lego_medieval_adventures_troll_attack.jpg

Ne 1

02-25-2011, 06:32 PM

Anyone notice since Omnistrife made his UMAD picture thread, the Kobe trolls have gone bananas? They havent stopped for weeks now, he really got to them with that.

:roll:

Not really.

I would have actually respected the picture if Jordan's competition didn't look like this:

http://www.jproc.ca/rrp/albro_lake_basketball_team_b.jpg

rodman91

02-25-2011, 06:34 PM

Not really.

I would have actually respected the picture if Jordan's competition didn't look like this:

http://www.jproc.ca/rrp/albro_lake_basketball_team_b.jpg

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/uploads/ats57347_258Troll_spray.jpg

rodman91

02-25-2011, 06:36 PM

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Ne 1

02-25-2011, 06:41 PM

http://images2.fanpop.com/images/user_images/AlphaWolf-572152_730_540.jpg

rodman91

02-25-2011, 07:04 PM

http://bizydreaming.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/large_spt-jordan-4.jpg

SkyR#1fanCapCou

02-25-2011, 07:43 PM

Jordan was a broken down old fart and got schooled by Kobe. Kobe scored 55 on his old azz with 42 in one half. :roll:

No that was Stackhouse, but whatever makes you feel better.

ATL_Bball_King

02-25-2011, 07:45 PM

Damn this thread was really funny at first...Until people started getting serious...:facepalm .. Kobe has been my favorite player since 2000. And i say he is not Micheal Jordan he is Kobe Bryant...Two different players two different generations of players... I wish the thread stayed funny though...Op with those old pics is hilarious...:oldlol:

OldSchoolBBall

02-25-2011, 07:52 PM

crisoner

02-25-2011, 08:05 PM

I like how you're asking this dudes age yet ignore everything the OP has been posting. :oldlol:

You mean this?

I will laugh if Ne1 can still show his face on these boards in 2 years time when Kobe is a broken down old fart getting schooled by LeBron and Wade and Melo and Durant and probably some kid that's 17 right now in third period Math class.

What does that have to do with anything I post?

ATL_Bball_King

02-25-2011, 08:06 PM

This thread is yet more evidence (as if we needed any more) that Kobe fans are the lowest form of life on the internet. They'll do and say ANYTHING to make Kobe out to be better than he actually is, and to act like he's equal to or better than Jordan. It's a joke. Kobe is like 90% of Jordan prime vs. prime. Jordan would abuse Kobe in a playoff series (like 32/6.5/6/5/50% FG vs. 27-28/5.5/5.0/44% FG). Period.

It also shows how much Jordans fans will stop at nothing to make sure Jordan doesnt get surpassed...When its maybe Lebrons turn or even Durant...Jordan stans will come out the wood work to say how these players cant even hold Jordans nuts...Jordan is ****ing human...:facepalm

Its only Opinions vs Opinions...

TheCorporation

02-25-2011, 08:06 PM

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_OzWla_7GOKo/TSBYOTkMpgI/AAAAAAAAAFc/V6C8XndJcWI/s1600/kobe_shaq.jpg

LOL!

OP is trollin...Move along peeps

BEAST Griffin

02-25-2011, 08:23 PM

Kobe was "too young"...just like MJ shot 41% in the modern era was just "too old"

Oh, lord. Not this guy.

:facepalm

As though there isn't already enough Kobe stan trolls on this site.

SkyR#1fanCapCou

02-25-2011, 08:25 PM

Oh, lord. Not this guy.

:facepalm

As though there isn't already enough Kobe stan trolls on this site.

Either he got tired of beaing beat up on YouTube, or he just wants more beatings courtesy of knowlegable NBA fans.

Leviathon1121

02-25-2011, 08:33 PM

It also shows how much Jordans fans will stop at nothing to make sure Jordan doesnt get surpassed...When its maybe Lebrons turn or even Durant...Jordan stans will come out the wood work to say how these players cant even hold Jordans nuts...Jordan is ****ing human...:facepalm

Its only Opinions vs Opinions...

What are you talking about? Like, 2 people bothered taking this thread seriously at all, everything else has been people laughing and posting joke pictures. This constitutes Jordan stans coming out of the woodwork to you? ROFL.

OldSchoolBBall

02-25-2011, 08:40 PM

rodman91

02-25-2011, 08:47 PM

Nevaeh

02-25-2011, 08:56 PM

Not really.

I would have actually respected the picture if Jordan's competition didn't look like this:

http://www.jproc.ca/rrp/albro_lake_basketball_team_b.jpg

Ironic, seeing as how THIS white guy has more MVPs than Kobe :oldlol:

http://images.quickblogcast.com/115081-107387/Steve_Nash_Holding_Head.jpg

Cangri

02-25-2011, 08:58 PM

Not really.

I would have actually respected the picture if Jordan's competition didn't look like this:

http://www.jproc.ca/rrp/albro_lake_basketball_team_b.jpg
:roll: :roll:

ukplayer4

02-25-2011, 09:43 PM

AlphaWolf24

02-25-2011, 10:11 PM

The funny part is that it's not opinion at all. When one player dominated the league for a decade by every statistical measure and the other has never dominated anything, at all, ever, then that's not an opinion. Kobe fans want to act like it's all just opinions, but it really isn't. Fact is, Kobe hasn't done much to be mentioned in the same breath as Jordan. This is what Kobe fans want:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=409Pjtq7jzY

(Jordan was the premiere scorer and a top shelf defender to go along with winning the most titles in the 90's....same could be said of Kobe)

Kobe Hasn't dominated the past 10 years?...The premiere scorer and greatest winner amongst the elite players in the past 10 years...

to go along with 7X all defensive first teams selections....name another player that has won more Titles to go along with more defensive accolades in the past decade.

"not in the Same breathe as Jordan"...that's funny because I could have sworn Kobe is always being compared to MJ (more so then any player)...

Dont' worry...I'm sure when Kobe surpasses MJ's Ring count you will be here telling everyone it was a fluke...

good luck to you.

SkyR#1fanCapCou

02-25-2011, 10:11 PM

Advantage Jordan:rockon:

AlphaWolf24

02-25-2011, 10:18 PM

and people make threads about which player between lebron and kobe has the most deluded fans :roll:
99% of the decent posters dont respond to these threads anymore and just let the kobe cult get on with it, these threads are also the reason most of the good posters cite when they leave here and why this board is taken so much less seriously than it used to be many years ago.....how i miss those days.

actually "player comparisons" is maybe the saving grace for most basketball forums.....

I don't know how it is in the U.K. but guy's on playground always talk about which player/players are/were better...

since Kobe is the most polarizing basketball player since MJ...I think it's great people talk about him vs other players.

Basketball is the best sport in the world...we all love it...we all share that bond....I always enjoy talking hoop and never let others people opinion make me frustrated or discombobulated....

I LOVE THIS GAME!:cheers:

jstern

02-25-2011, 10:35 PM

damn that was the first time I ever seen the girl:lol :lol

That's what I said when I saw the picture to.

OldSchoolBBall

02-25-2011, 11:27 PM

(Jordan was the premiere scorer and a top shelf defender to go along with winning the most titles in the 90's....same could be said of Kobe)

Kobe Hasn't dominated the past 10 years?...The premiere scorer and greatest winner amongst the elite players in the past 10 years...

to go along with 7X all defensive first teams selections....name another player that has won more Titles to go along with more defensive accolades in the past decade.

"not in the Same breathe as Jordan"...that's funny because I could have sworn Kobe is always being compared to MJ (more so then any player)...

Dont' worry...I'm sure when Kobe surpasses MJ's Ring count you will be here telling everyone it was a fluke...

good luck to you.

Kobe has never led the league even ONE TIME in ANY advanced statistical metric (PER, EFF, Win Shares, Player Wins etc.), and has only been top 3 in any of them twice. Jordan has led the league in EACH metric like 8-10+ times (save for EFF, which he led in "only" 5 times) and finished top 3 in these metrics literally DOZENS of times combined. This is in addition to being a better defender than Kobe could ever hope to be. So no, Kobe has done nothing to be mentioned alongside a player that DOMINANT.

heyhey

02-25-2011, 11:34 PM

Kobe has never led the league even ONE TIME in ANY advanced statistical metric (PER, EFF, Win Shares, Player Wins etc.), and has only been top 3 in any of them twice. Jordan has led the league in EACH metric like 8-10+ times (save for EFF, which he led in "only" 5 times) and finished top 3 in these metrics literally DOZENS of times combined. This is in addition to being a better defender than Kobe could ever hope to be. So no, Kobe has done nothing to be mentioned alongside a player that DOMINANT.

I didn't know dominance was measured in PER, EFF, Win Shares etc. I thought it had to do with rings and winning in the playoffs? :confusedshrug:

what is this NBA championship thing they broadcast on ABC every June? let me guess you rather jack ur limp di@k to 82games than actually watch the games?

gts

02-25-2011, 11:35 PM

Kobe has never led the league even ONE TIME in ANY advanced statistical metric (PER, EFF, Win Shares, Player Wins etc.), and has only been top 3 in any of them twice. Jordan has led the league in EACH metric like 8-10+ times (save for EFF, which he led in "only" 5 times) and finished top 3 in these metrics literally DOZENS of times combined. This is in addition to being a better defender than Kobe could ever hope to be. So no, Kobe has done nothing to be mentioned alongside a player that DOMINANT.yet time and time again everytime like clockwork here you are not mentioning kobe.... lol

the effort you put into trying to right the wrongs you feel jordan suffers is evidence that you know kobe is in that conversation

SkyR#1fanCapCou

02-26-2011, 12:12 AM

NBASTATMAN

02-26-2011, 12:17 AM

Ironic, seeing as how THIS white guy has more MVPs than Kobe :oldlol:

http://images.quickblogcast.com/115081-107387/Steve_Nash_Holding_Head.jpg

:bowdown:

chris2010

02-26-2011, 12:17 AM

Rings and winning in the playoffs are based on teams more than individual players.

true and false. There is only one team in nba history that had no real superstar and they still won. Every championship team other than that one team had a superstar or two.

Javat_90

02-26-2011, 12:19 AM

yet time and time again everytime like clockwork here you are not mentioning kobe.... lol

the effort you put into trying to right the wrongs you feel jordan suffers is evidence that you know kobe is in that conversation
:lol

So true.

Ne 1

02-26-2011, 12:38 AM

Ironic, seeing as how THIS white guy has more MVPs than Kobe :oldlol:

http://images.quickblogcast.com/115081-107387/Steve_Nash_Holding_Head.jpg

MVP is voted by the media.

If MVP actually went to the player who was deserving, or the best player Nash would have 0 and Kobe would have 3-4.

Funny that individual awards like MVP are only important/relevant when some moron is trying to trash another player. Especially Kobe.

I don't know why they are even mentioned. The object of the game is win and Kobe does that better than anyone in the league.

NBASTATMAN

02-26-2011, 12:54 AM

MVP is voted by the media.

If MVP actually went to the player who was deserving, or the best player Nash would have 0 and Kobe would have 3-4.

Funny that individual awards like MVP are only important/relevant when some moron is trying to trash another player. Especially Kobe.

I don't know why they are even mentioned. The object of the game is win and Kobe does that better than anyone in the league.

In the last two seasons Gasol has won as much as Kobe.. He has done all the heavy lifting in the biggest of games as well.. Maybe he is better than Dhoward.. I guess the list should go like this..

Gasol
dhoward
kobe
lebron
:banana:

Before Gasol the Lakers couldn't get out of the first round...

az00m

02-26-2011, 01:01 AM

MVP is voted by the media.

If MVP actually went to the player who was deserving, or the best player Nash would have 0 and Kobe would have 3-4.

Funny that individual awards like MVP are only important/relevant when some moron is trying to trash another player. Especially Kobe.

I don't know why they are even mentioned. The object of the game is win and Kobe does that better than anyone in the league.
If it was voted by media then kobe would win it every year. He next to jordan is the most world widely known figure in media. Then lebron

az00m

02-26-2011, 01:07 AM

http://i48.tinypic.com/24o10eq.png
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_vhwxA1psuxE/Sjeo75oPmKI/AAAAAAAAAYQ/1eud9UwTZiM/s400/kobe_jordan1_308_020612.jpg

Ne 1

02-26-2011, 01:07 AM

Jordan faced shorter defenders than what players like Kobe and LeBron see today. Best defenders on Jordan are generally considered to be:

Starks: 6-3
Dumars: 6-3
Payton: 6-2

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii250/harty413/9495CharlotteMuggsyBoguesDefence.jpg

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/4107/111111111111111111.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_OR1l8Wilj1M/SIlphcbPbjI/AAAAAAAABpg/em1Ol-NTo7s/s400/jordan-drexler2.jpg

He was able to back his shorter defender in the post and take advantage of that.

Today almost every team has a 6-8 or 6-9 swing man.
Here are some real ballers, many who are elite defenders and 20+ ppg scorers - these are the guys Kobe and LeBron face:

Kevin Durant 6''9
LeBron 6''9 (260 lbs)
J. Wright 6''9
T.Prince 6''9
A.Jamison 6'9
D.Granger 6''9
L.Deng 6''9
S. Battier 6''8
W.Chandler 6''8
B.Outlaw6''8
AK47 6''9
S.Marion 6''8
P. Pierce: 6''8
J. Posey 6''8
J.Johnson 6''8
A. Harrington 6''8
K.Martin 6''8
J. Smith: 6"9
S.Jackson 6''8
J. Hayes 6''8
A. Iguadala 6'8"
Carmelo 6''8
T. Sefolosha 6'7"
J. Green 6''8
C. Anderson 6"10
G. Wallace 6''8
B. Bowen 6''7
R. Artest: 6''7 (260 lbs)

Players are stronger and taller today- no doubt about it. Everything get's better with time.

In the modern era you have defensive specialists like Bruce Bowen, Ron Artest, Shane Battier, Rubben Patterson etc. who are supposed to be ''Kobe-stoppers''.

During Jordan's era the defensive specialists were guys like John Starks. The idea of Starks being a Jordan stopper is ridiculous . When you give up 4 inches and 30 pounds to someone who you'll guard in single coverage (for most the game) in the mid-range perimeter area, then those physical limitations will be almost impossible to overcome.

The 90s defense was 1 on 1 vs. shorter midget defenders in the post all day long on isolations.

Today nobody can even post up anymore - Duncan, KG, Shaq, Kobe they are all doubled after 1 or 2 dribbles at the most. Defensive schemes today are far more complex than they were 2-3 decades ago.

hitmanyr2k

02-26-2011, 01:10 AM

(Jordan was the premiere scorer and a top shelf defender to go along with winning the most titles in the 90's....same could be said of Kobe)

Kobe Hasn't dominated the past 10 years?...The premiere scorer and greatest winner amongst the elite players in the past 10 years...

to go along with 7X all defensive first teams selections....name another player that has won more Titles to go along with more defensive accolades in the past decade.

"not in the Same breathe as Jordan"...that's funny because I could have sworn Kobe is always being compared to MJ (more so then any player)...

Dont' worry...I'm sure when Kobe surpasses MJ's Ring count you will be here telling everyone it was a fluke...

good luck to you.

Kobe's defensive accolades are a sick joke. They're gifts. Kobe's defense has never had the impact of a first team defender. Hell, not even a 2nd team defender. Most nights he's a ghost on the defensive end. Since 2005 his defense has been average AT BEST. In 2007 his defensive rating was the same as Steve Nash and somehow he STILL made first team. Even Laker fans had a good laugh about it. Having Gasol and Bynum in the paint made him marginally better but he's still inconsistent as hell. The only time he really puts any effort in is during a nationally televised game. This year Kobe's defense has been average as well but he'll probably still end up on All-D first team for no good reason. Considering the accolades he has he's EASILY the most overrated defender of all time.

az00m

02-26-2011, 01:11 AM

http://i45.tinypic.com/2i0ad7a.jpg

c3z4r

02-26-2011, 01:18 AM

http://i45.tinypic.com/2i0ad7a.jpg

u would think that with all the money mike has his kids would get a good education.

Ne 1

02-26-2011, 01:27 AM

Before Gasol the Lakers couldn't get out of the first round...

:oldlol:

Before Gasol, Kobe and the Lakers had 3 championship rings and 82 post season wins.

Hell, they had the # 1 seed in the West before the Gasol trade in '08.

Before the Lakers, Gasol was 0-12 in the playoffs and was considered to be an inferior version of Chris Bosh.

Career .557 TS%

02-26-2011, 01:45 AM

u would think that with all the money mike has his kids would get a good education.
black people and education = :no: so what do you expect?

NBASTATMAN

02-26-2011, 01:58 AM

Jordan faced shorter defenders than what players like Kobe and LeBron see today. Best defenders on Jordan are generally considered to be:

Starks: 6-3
Dumars: 6-3
Payton: 6-2

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii250/harty413/9495CharlotteMuggsyBoguesDefence.jpg

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/4107/111111111111111111.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_OR1l8Wilj1M/SIlphcbPbjI/AAAAAAAABpg/em1Ol-NTo7s/s400/jordan-drexler2.jpg

He was able to back his shorter defender in the post and take advantage of that.

Today almost every team has a He was able to back his shorter defender in the post and take advantage of that.

Today almost every team has a 6-8 or 6-9 swing man.
Here are some real ballers, many who are elite defenders and 20+ ppg scorers - these are the guys Kobe and LeBron face: or 6-9 wing players.
Here are some real ballers, many who are elite defenders and 20+ ppg scorers - these are the guys Kobe and LeBron face:

Kevin Durant 6''9
LeBron 6''9 (260 lbs)
J. Wright 6''9
T.Prince 6''9
A.Jamison 6'9
D.Granger 6''9
L.Deng 6''9
S. Battier 6''8
W.Chandler 6''8
B.Outlaw6''8
AK47 6''9
S.Marion 6''8
P. Pierce: 6''8
J. Posey 6''8
J.Johnson 6''8
A. Harrington 6''8
K.Martin 6''8
J. Smith: 6"9
S.Jackson 6''8
J. Hayes 6''8
A. Iguadala 6'8"
Carmelo 6''8
T. Sefolosha 6'7"
J. Green 6''8
C. Anderson 6"10
G. Wallace 6''8
B. Bowen 6''7
R. Artest: 6''7 (260 lbs)

Players are stronger and taller today- no doubt about it. Everything get's better with time.

In the modern era you have defensive specialists like Bruce Bowen, Ron Artest, Shane Battier, Rubben Patterson etc. who are supposed to be ''Kobe-stoppers''.

During Jordan's era the defensive specialists were guys like John Starks. The idea of Starks being a Jordan stopper is ridiculous . When you give up 4 inches and 30 pounds to someone who you'll guard in single coverage (for most the game) in the mid-range perimeter area, then those physical limitations will be almost impossible to overcome.

The 90s defense was 1 on 1 vs. shorter midget defenders in the post all day long on isolations.

Today nobody can even post up anymore - Duncan, KG, Shaq, Kobe they are all doubled after 1 or 2 dribbles at the most. Defensive schemes today are far more complex than they were 2-3 decades ago.

I saw a 37 yr old Payton shut kOBE DOWN when Payton was with Miami.. LOL

I am posting a video of the only time Kobe tried to guard MJ when he was 40.. Phil usually asked Rick Fox to defend mj cuz Rick was a better defender and he knew Mj would kill kobe with his bag of tricks.. Kobe was mad.. LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4T8_U4iHt4

KG THOUGHT HE COULD GUARD A OLD MJ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMd1m-OOWH0

Tmac ,Vc and Pierce all tried to defend Mj that season.. Mj had the ability to score on all of them...

hitmanyr2k

02-26-2011, 02:23 AM

I saw a 37 yr old Payton shut kOBE DOWN when Payton was with Miami.. LOL

I am posting a video of the only time Kobe tried to guard MJ when he was 40.. Phil usually asked Rick Fox to defend mj cuz Rick was a better defender and he knew Mj would kill kobe with his bag of tricks.. Kobe was mad.. LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4T8_U4iHt4

KG THOUGHT HE COULD GUARD A OLD MJ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMd1m-OOWH0

Tmac ,Vc and Pierce all tried to defend Mj that season.. Mj had the ability to score on all of them...

True...

Jordan at 40 years old on bad knees vs Ron Artest in his defensive prime.. :oldlol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CV52IrBoj90

Jordan at 40 years old vs Ruben Patterson...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c13gfGtUyL8

Jordan at 39 years old vs Shawn Marion

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKKhY4BGhNM

Paul Pierce? :oldlol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKS7uZ40kqU

Kevin Garnett?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmngcHYnfN0

These are guys 6'7 and up in their athletic primes that couldn't stop a 38-40 year old light years past his prime on bad wheels. Anyone who thinks Prime Jordan at ages 27-32 wouldn't be killing these guys with these new bullshit rules Stern created to cater to perimeter players are in denial.

SkyR#1fanCapCou

02-26-2011, 02:26 AM

True...

Jordan at 40 years old on bad knees vs Ron Artest in his defensive prime.. :oldlol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CV52IrBoj90

Jordan at 40 years old vs Ruben Patterson...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c13gfGtUyL8

Jordan at 39 years old vs Shawn Marion

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKKhY4BGhNM

Paul Pierce? :oldlol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKS7uZ40kqU

Kevin Garnett?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmngcHYnfN0

These are guys 6'7 and up in their athletic primes that couldn't stop a 38-40 year old light years past his prime on bad wheels. Anyone who thinks Prime Jordan at ages 27-32 wouldn't be killing these guys with these new bullshit rules Stern created to cater to perimeter players are in denial.

Yeah but they didn't take Jordan seriously so it doesn't count :lol

branslowski

02-26-2011, 02:29 AM

N!ggas catch feeling like b!tches on here...:facepalm

macpierce

02-26-2011, 02:32 AM

NBASTATMAN

02-26-2011, 02:40 AM

players today are bigger, stronger, more athletic...........it's a fact
why are you even denying this? does this take away from anything MJ did? no........do you hold it against russell who has 11 chips that he played when there were like 8 teams in the league.............
guys are bigger and more athletic in todays game.........its a fact

OUR videos show a old mj dominating the best young talent the NBA had to offer in 2002.. Mj is so good its freaking funny to watch him vs his students.. :roll:

Ne 1

02-26-2011, 02:40 AM

Jordan would be Ricky Davis status in the modern era.

NBASTATMAN

02-26-2011, 02:41 AM

True...

Jordan at 40 years old on bad knees vs Ron Artest in his defensive prime.. :oldlol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CV52IrBoj90

Jordan at 40 years old vs Ruben Patterson...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c13gfGtUyL8

Jordan at 39 years old vs Shawn Marion

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKKhY4BGhNM

Paul Pierce? :oldlol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKS7uZ40kqU

Kevin Garnett?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmngcHYnfN0

These are guys 6'7 and up in their athletic primes that couldn't stop a 38-40 year old light years past his prime on bad wheels. Anyone who thinks Prime Jordan at ages 27-32 wouldn't be killing these guys with these new bullshit rules Stern created to cater to perimeter players are in denial.

Thanks for adding to my list.. Maybe we should make a thread on this.. Stop the lies once and for all.. But fans of the current slackers would be :mad: ...

macpierce

02-26-2011, 02:45 AM

OUR videos show a old mj dominating the best young talent the NBA had to offer in 2002.. Mj is so good its freaking funny to watch him vs his students.. :roll:
MJ has all the skills no doubt about it..............but players today are stronger, bigger, and more athletic.
:violin:

NBASTATMAN

02-26-2011, 03:03 AM

MJ has all the skills no doubt about it..............but players today are stronger, bigger, and more athletic.
:violin:

He killed some of the best defenders at 40 .. What do you think he does at age 25 with the current rules.. Ron artest ,kobe, kg, patterson, and pierce could not guard Mj at 40.. Vince Carter a great athlete was never a good defender.. The only guy that I would love to see defend MJ is Bron and Mj would tear him up... Bron can defend but take a look at mj's first step.. Faster at age 40 than most in the league.. Kobe was all NBA defender and could not guard him..

Kenyon Martin got 45 pt on him by mj.. MJ woudl school current players even more cuz the lack of bigs waiting for him.. David Robinson, Hakeem and others all avg 4 blks a game back in their days cuz they could camp out in the paint... Nowadays you cannot do that.. It would be funny..

Allen Iverson put up 34 pts a game 45 percent shooting once the rules were changed.. Imagine MJ....

ThaRegul8r

02-26-2011, 03:05 AM

Jordan faced shorter defenders than what players like Kobe and LeBron see today. Best defenders on Jordan are generally considered to be:

Starks: 6-3
Dumars: 6-3
Payton: 6-2

http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii250/harty413/9495CharlotteMuggsyBoguesDefence.jpg

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/4107/111111111111111111.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_OR1l8Wilj1M/SIlphcbPbjI/AAAAAAAABpg/em1Ol-NTo7s/s400/jordan-drexler2.jpg

He was able to back his shorter defender in the post and take advantage of that.

Today almost every team has a 6-8 or 6-9 swing man.
Here are some real ballers, many who are elite defenders and 20+ ppg scorers - these are the guys Kobe and LeBron face:

Kevin Durant 6''9
LeBron 6''9 (260 lbs)
J. Wright 6''9
T.Prince 6''9
A.Jamison 6'9
D.Granger 6''9
L.Deng 6''9
S. Battier 6''8
W.Chandler 6''8
B.Outlaw6''8
AK47 6''9
S.Marion 6''8
P. Pierce: 6''8
J. Posey 6''8
J.Johnson 6''8
A. Harrington 6''8
K.Martin 6''8
J. Smith: 6"9
S.Jackson 6''8
J. Hayes 6''8
A. Iguadala 6'8"
Carmelo 6''8
T. Sefolosha 6'7"
J. Green 6''8
C. Anderson 6"10
G. Wallace 6''8
B. Bowen 6''7
R. Artest: 6''7 (260 lbs)

Players are stronger and taller today- no doubt about it. Everything get's better with time.

In the modern era you have defensive specialists like Bruce Bowen, Ron Artest, Shane Battier, Rubben Patterson etc. who are supposed to be ''Kobe-stoppers''.

During Jordan's era the defensive specialists were guys like John Starks. The idea of Starks being a Jordan stopper is ridiculous . When you give up 4 inches and 30 pounds to someone who you'll guard in single coverage (for most the game) in the mid-range perimeter area, then those physical limitations will be almost impossible to overcome.

The 90s defense was 1 on 1 vs. shorter midget defenders in the post all day long on isolations.

I don't agree with the practice, but at least people are being consistent and doing the same thing to Jordan that many of his fans have done to the greats that preceded him. It was inevitable that Jordan's time would come, and his fans would have to defend him just as others came to the defense of other greats people attempted to diminish. People always attempt to tear down past greats in order to make their favorite player(s) look better. Because of course, people can't just appreciate greatness whenever it exists.

NBASTATMAN

02-26-2011, 03:09 AM

I don't agree with the practice, but at least people are being consistent and doing the same thing to Jordan that many of his fans have done to the greats that preceded him. It was inevitable that Jordan's time would come, and his fans would have to defend him just as others came to the defense of other greats people attempted to diminish. People always attempt to tear down past greats in order to make their favorite player(s) look better. Because of course, people can't just appreciate greatness whenever it exists.

Problem is we have YOUTUBE to show the truth... Just click on one of the videos and watch MJ dominate his much younger conterparts..

Mj was actually smart in coming back.. I actually remember him dropping Vince Carter to the floor on one move... And he was about the best athlete in the NBA in 2002

OldSchoolBBall

02-26-2011, 06:17 AM

I didn't know dominance was measured in PER, EFF, Win Shares etc. I thought it had to do with rings and winning in the playoffs? :confusedshrug:

what is this NBA championship thing they broadcast on ABC every June? let me guess you rather jack ur limp di@k to 82games than actually watch the games?

No, winning titles makes you great - it doesn't make you dominant. Dominance is individual; greatness is individual AND team-based. Kobe is great, but he's never been dominant - at least, not nearly to as great an extent as several other players (Jordan, Shaq, Wilt, KAJ etc.). Those guys were great AND dominant, and thus will always be superior to Kobe.

oh the horror

02-26-2011, 07:15 AM

Threads like these are SO fu*king wack. :oldlol:

Look man, the problem with the internet, is we are ALL SUBJECTED to the ridiculousness that ANY retard with fingers types up, and we ALL have to see it, because its put in front of our faces.

Fact is, the OP is an idiot, and if this FOOL actually brought this weak ass nonsense to a group of actual adults in a REAL LIFE SITUATION, we would probably have clowned his ass.

Im talking like, FULL FLEDGED RIDICULE, GET OUTTA OUR FACES CUZ YOU'RE A LAME ASS RIDICULE. Dont talk about basketball around other adults. :oldlol:

I mean really, and then some of you should be ASHAMED of yourselves....Why do you bother to come up with valid arguments? Dude is clearly being a douche on purpose. :lol I mean look at nonsense this kid posts.

Im sorry but half of you....man, if me and my boys wouldnt have slapped you down by now, we would have made you put on a dress, and serves us drinks, while we men discussed actual basketball.

Like, yo.....stop talking, put this on, and bring us beers. The MEN are discussing some ball.

http://stylepill.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/5557-1.jpg

:cheers: