Derrick Rose blew the MVP tonight

[konex]

Give it to Dwight, please

[protox]

I agree. Basically, it's down to Howard or James for MVP.

[YouCallILose]

Howard is both the best player in the league and it's most valuable player.

[Reverend Hoops]

Give credit where credit is due. Kirk Hinrich is an elite defender.

[Ancient Legend]

Just when he had the MVP all but wrapped up, he goes 5-21 and the Bulls choke the game away.

D-Howard might be the clear frontrunner now, but gotta wait if LeBron shines through against the Lakers in a few days.

[MMM]

one bad games doesn't blow your mvp chances considering everyone goes through them

[Clippersfan86]

Give it to Dwight, please

Now you've just ensured that Dwight WILL NOT be winning the MVP. Thank you Anti prophet.

[YouCallILose]

one bad games doesn't blow your mvp chances considering everyone goes through them

Rose's last 5 games

8-22
9-24
7-19
7-17
5-21

35% shooting 21% from 3

[AI3Anthony]

Give credit where credit is due. Kirk Hinrich is an elite defender.

Thank you.

[Scoooter]

What about Dirk? Dwight's been a monster too, but let's not forget how VALUABLE Ze German is to his team...

[pauk]

Give it to Dwight, please

no sry it goes to the 2 time mvp
sry KOBE STAN

[YouCallILose]

no sry it goes to the 2 time mvp
sry KOBE STAN

Steve Nash has done a hell of a job...

[gts]

one bad games doesn't blow your mvp chances considering everyone goes through themon ISH where knee jerk reactions by idiots just chomping at the bit to make a post it does...lol

[Cangri]

He never blew it, it was Howard's all along.

[YouCallILose]

on ISH where knee jerk reactions by idiots just chomping at the bit to make a post it does...lol

we should look at some of the threads after rose vs the spurs 2 weeks ago IMO

[protox]

Rose hasn't had just 1 bad game. He's lucky he's team mates have bailed him out a few games. He's been shooting horribly.

[dee-rose]

Steve Nash has done a hell of a job...
:applause:

This was easily Rose's worst game of his whole career. :(

However, if the bulls manage to go 2 - 0 this coming stretch, all will be forgiven.

[ThaSwagg3r]

Rose is going to win it simply because of media influence. Every media, analyst, journalist, writer, etc. has Rose as their MVP. i.e. whoever has the most media riding their jockstrap will win the MVP. It is sad, because it comes to a point where the fans don't even think for themselves. They just let these guys think for them. I am not saying Rose doesn't deserve it, because he does and he is for sure a candidate. I am just saying he will win it because of this.

[Indian guy]

LOL, when will people learn MVPs aren't won or blown with one game? I remember when LeBron completely stunk it up in March '09 against LA, everybody was all "he blew it tonight blah blah". But what happened? He played the rest of the season like a superstar does and nobody remember nor cared what happened 1 Sunday afternoon in March come voting time. MVPs are given based on consistent excellence of 6 months. 1 game means nothing. Rose just needs to maintain his best-PG-in-the-NBA standards from next game onwards and he'll be the favorite.

[konex]

1 game means nothing. Rose just needs to maintain his best-PG-in-the-NBA standards from next game onwards and he'll be the favorite.

There is NO WAY he wins MVP if Orlando passes them in the standings...

[chairman]

There is NO WAY he wins MVP if Orlando passes them in the standings...
you're mentally challenged if you think the magic are going to pass up the bulls in the standings

[DStebb716]

One bad game doesn't blow it for you.

[branslowski]

LOL, when will people learn MVPs aren't won or blown with one game? I remember when LeBron completely stunk it up in March '09 against LA, everybody was all "he blew it tonight blah blah". But what happened? He played the rest of the season like a superstar does and nobody remember nor cared what happened 1 Sunday afternoon in March come voting time. MVPs are given based on consistent excellence of 6 months. 1 game means nothing. Rose just needs to maintain his best-PG-in-the-NBA standards from next game onwards and he'll be the favorite.

So we gonna act like you REALLY don't want LeBron to win it over Rose?.:rolleyes:

Ight.

[konex]

you're mentally challenged if you think the magic are going to pass up the bulls in the standings

3 back with 20-ish to play isn't that tough.. If Orlando beats them on Friday, it's on...

[protox]

One bad game doesn't blow it for you.

But if you look back a few games, he hasn't really had just one bad game. The other games he team mates stepped up and save his ass even though he was shooting bricks. Just go back and look at the games.

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

Dwight is my pick, but with his team record he wont win it.

Thats why the MVP is either going to Rose or Lebron

[Indian guy]

So we gonna act like you REALLY don't want LeBron to win it over Rose?.:rolleyes:


I don't really care. The guy already has 2 MVPEs. 1 more isn't going to do anything to his legacy on this team. LeBron's reached a stage of his career where a ring is the only thing that can help him.

[Bigsmoke]

Deron Williams havent won a game since Jerry left and Chris Paul got locked down by the Knicks

Mvp...mvp....mvp

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

I don't really care. The guy already has 2 MVPEs. 1 more isn't going to do anything to his legacy on this team. LeBron's reached a stage of his career where a ring is the only thing that can help him.

getting another MVP will help his career.

And it being his 3rd in a row

[sosolid4u09]

are people THIS insecure about rose? after ONE shit performance everyone makes threads bout the guy?

This says a lot about how far rose has come! hes elite now. and will get elite haters just like kobe/lebron do.

ONE bad game isnt gonna change how mvp voting goes. idiots

[asdf1990]

Rose's last 5 games

8-22
9-24
7-19
7-17
5-21

35% shooting 21% from 3

For once Joyner posts useful stats. Rose sucks plain and simple.

[KG5MVP]

rose has been horrible lately

[chazzy]

The disparity is huge amongst fans http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/fp/flashPollResultsState?sportIndex=nba&pollId=107960

[Mr. Incredible]

Not all. Rose is the frontrunner and has more opportunities in front him.

[Kingwillball]

I think it all depends on where Heat, Bulls and Magic finish..If Heat Finish #1 Lebron should get it if Bulls finish #2 or #1 than Rose should get it..If Magic Finish at #4 but Dhoward continues to impress I could see an argument for him as well..

[NBASTATMAN]

Give it to Dwight, please


One game doesn't lose the MVP for the guy.. Though i do think Dhoward is the best player in the game at this moment... Yes over Bron and his receding hairline.. :D

Rose is still the frontrunner and Dhoward and Dirk should be the next two

[konex]

The disparity is huge amongst fans http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/fp/flashPollResultsState?sportIndex=nba&pollId=107960

Cos ESPN feeds them the "Rose for MVP" spiel 24/7

[Lebron23]

Dwight Howard is the front runner for the MVP trophy. He just won the NBA Player of the month.

[Cangri]

One game doesn't lose the MVP for the guy.. Though i do think Dhoward is the best player in the game at this moment... Yes over Bron and his receding hairline.. :D

Rose is still the frontrunner and Dhoward and Dirk should be the next two
How? :banghead:

Howard not only is better and more efficient, his impact on defense is much bigger. I can't comprehend why most have Rose over Howard:facepalm

[ImmortalD24]

konex is a dumbass. nothing to see here folks.

[Pointguard]

Rose is flat our tired. He's hit a wall. He doesn't have the zip in his passes or the pep in his step. Can't really rest him. I think they should excuse him from practice.

[ginobli2311]

I agree. Basically, it's down to Howard or James for MVP.

wow.

dirk gets no love on here. what a joke.

42-9 with dirk in the lineup.
2-7 without dirk in the lineup.

mavs haven't missed a beat since butler (the mavs 2nd best player) went down.

23 points 7 boards 3 assists on 53/42/87.

honestly.....if he's not top 3 in the mvp right now i give up.

[konex]

My list:

Dwight
Dirk
Kobe
Rose
LeBron

[dsrdsr]

My list:

Dwight
Dirk
Kobe
Rose
LeBron

Kobe over Rose and Lebron? :wtf:

[Cangri]

My list:

Dwight
Dirk
Kobe
Rose
LeBron
Well at least I agree with your first 2 :cheers:

[emaugust]

I think anyone watching this game - the way both teams played - can admit that this was just one of those games.

Though, as a Chicago fan, I can say that we are all wondering why no one is telling Rose to cut it out with the 3's. I sorta figure he is just trying to get his shot back before the playoffs.

[ginobli2311]

My list:

Dwight
Dirk
Kobe
Rose
LeBron

kobe has absolutely no argument over the following players right now:

my mvp list:

1. rose
2. dirk
3. howard
4. lebron
5. kobe

[sosolid4u09]

kobe has absolutely no argument over the following players right now:

my mvp list:

1. rose
2. dirk
3. howard
4. lebron
5. kobe
good list

agree with that

[MayCeltics]

Who said Rose was the MVP? Dwight Howard is the MVP followed by Dirk

[Derka]

You people are pathetic. Take someone out of consideration for one game. Only on ISH.

[Sarcastic]

I still think they will give it to Kobe as a lifetime achievement award.

[ginobli2311]

I still think they will give it to Kobe as a lifetime achievement award.

nah. he already got that in 08. its going to rose/dirk/lebron/howard.

no way anyone else gets it unless something crazy happens.

[magnax1]

I got a picture of Rose Blowing Lebron James in my head now.... lol.

[Cangri]

I got a picture of Rose Blowing Lebron James in my head now.... lol.
no homo?

[magnax1]

no homo?
Nah, definitely as much homo as I can possibly get into one post.

[Rose]

Nah, definitely as much homo as I can possibly get into one post.
:roll:

[Cangri]

Nah, definitely as much homo as I can possibly get into one post.
:oldlol:

[NBASTATMAN]

one bad games doesn't blow your mvp chances considering everyone goes through them


:applause:


One game is one game.. The kid is leading his team to one of the best records in the league.. If he don't get it than Dhoward should.. Dhoward is playing better than anyone right now... Dirk would be third and a close third at that...

[NBASTATMAN]

Manu has a better case for MVP than lebron or Kobe.. He has less talent around him than either of them two.. They are not considering him cuz he Spanish.. QUE PASO..:wtf:

[Replay32]

I don't believe he blew his MVP. This thread is jumping the gun a bit. There are still 20+ games left. The MVP is still wide open.

[Sarcastic]

nah. he already got that in 08. its going to rose/dirk/lebron/howard.

no way anyone else gets it unless something crazy happens.

I don't think that one was for lifetime achievement. I think it was to make up for Nash and Dirk getting them when he was the best player in the NBA, but didn't play on a good enough team to win it. They couldn't give it to a PG again ahead of him.

His career is deserving of being a 2X MVP.

[NBASTATMAN]

How? :banghead:

Howard not only is better and more efficient, his impact on defense is much bigger. I can't comprehend why most have Rose over Howard:facepalm


you are right about Dhoward.. But his record needs to hold up.. If he can keep his team winning than he wins.. He is the best player in the game right now and for the next 5 years...

[NBASTATMAN]

I don't think that one was for lifetime achievement. I think it was to make up for Nash and Dirk getting them when he was the best player in the NBA, but didn't play on a good enough team to win it. They couldn't give it to a PG again ahead of him.

His career is deserving of being a 2X MVP.


So is Shaq.. Yet he has only won 1.. Yes a shame.. He got ripped off on NASH'S first MVP big time.. Nash deserved his second MVP..

Kobe got the one he deserved.. Kind of deserved..But I do agree he was the best all around player in those years where Nash and Dirk got the MVP'S...

If Rose don't get it than Dhoward will.. Hope hope.. But Dhoward's team needs to keep winning.. His teams record is not as good as the other candidates.. Though his teammates scuk..

[NBASTATMAN]

My list:

Dwight
Dirk
Kobe
Rose
LeBron


Ok now I see WHy You started this thread.. :roll: :roll: :roll:

Kobestans will do anything to get kobe than second MVP...

Kobe is under Bron and maybe tied with Wade.. It really don't matter cuz none of those three are going to get it.. Dhoward is now the best player though Rose is the frontrunner.... Nothing Lebron,kobe, or Wade can do about it..



1.Rose , not for long
2.Dwight
3.Dirk


lebron and Manu
kobe and wade

[ashbelly]

I don't think that one was for lifetime achievement. I think it was to make up for Nash and Dirk getting them when he was the best player in the NBA, but didn't play on a good enough team to win it. They couldn't give it to a PG again ahead of him.

His career is deserving of being a 2X MVP.

:oldlol: :oldlol: Best player or best chucker ? Their is a difference, best player will carry his team to enough wins to win an MVP, Best Chucker just wants to jack up shots and score points regardless of their team's record.

[kputs]

How the hell can you blow the MVP in one night? I still got Howard but Rose is a close 2nd.

[ginobli2311]

I don't think that one was for lifetime achievement. I think it was to make up for Nash and Dirk getting them when he was the best player in the NBA, but didn't play on a good enough team to win it. They couldn't give it to a PG again ahead of him.

His career is deserving of being a 2X MVP.

his overall career is, but his individual seasons aren't. i can't think of another year he was actually deserving of mvp other than 08.

certainly not 06 as he won only 45 games. not 07. definitely not 05 or 04. not the last 2 years with lebron easily winning.

and really his first 8 years he wasn't the mvp of his own team.

so really kobe has exactly how many he deserves. mvp and best player are two different things. to win mvp you usually have to have a historic individual season combined with great regular season success based on expectations.

unless you want to go back and change the criteria, kobe has exactly how many he deserves.

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

Rose's last 5 games

8-22
9-24
7-19
7-17
5-21

35% shooting 21% from 3

So FG% is the determining factor in MVP discussion? :confusedshrug:

[KDthunderup]

Rose's last 5 games

8-22
9-24
7-19
7-17
5-21

35% shooting 21% from 3
LOL he has been awful lately, Dwight would definitely have to be front runner right now.

[ballerz]

season isn't over. rose has been consistently putting up good numbers, plus the last few games howard has been playing amazing so we will have to see towards the end of the season if he keeps up this level of play

[B-Easy]

So FG% is the determining factor in MVP discussion? :confusedshrug:

yes it is .. if youre shooting awful from the field .. and other guys are shooting well and are playing at high level consistently .. how is it not?

[Silverbullit]

The MVP goes to the player, who recieves the most votes.

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

yes it is .. if youre shooting awful from the field .. and other guys are shooting well and are playing at high level consistently .. how is it not?

Because if you are the team's main ball handler and getting guys their shots then you are contributing in another manner. The object of basketball is to put the ball in the basket, but it isn't the only objective. And there is much much more to winning and being a great player and/or MVP than FG%. Is he an efficient volume scorer? No. But does that alone alleviate his MVP chances? Just discard everything else he does because of one stat?

[Lebron23]

I got a picture of Rose Blowing Lebron James in my head now.... lol.


You are a sick, sick man

[Heat007]

lol

[Heat007]

Rose's last 5 games

8-22
9-24
7-19
7-17
5-21

35% shooting 21% from 3

You know what's funny ?? DWade goes one game, just ONE GAME where he has an off night shooting 5-15 against the knicks, and people start threads all over the place talking about how he's losing it.

Never mind the fact that Wade averaged 34 points on 56% shooting in the 4 or 5 games before that game.

Hilarious!

Rose is only shooting 44% this year. No one deserves MVP the way he shoots. NOBODY.

[Rican_Havok]

I see a Konex curse coming...

[Jacks3]

KOBE will win MVP if the Lakers can finish with the #2 seed and surpass the Bulls.

He has the least holes in his resume.

Dirk--Low volume numbers (23/7/3), Won't go to a #3 seed
LBJ--Plays with a top 3 player. Nuff said. Plus, all the hate he's gotten.
Howard--4th seed. Not good enough.

Rose is his only comp.

[dasani]

agreed. that was one sorry ass game.

[vinsane01]

Dirk deserves at least a second place finish in the mvp race. Right now dallas is 2 games ahead of LA and i think it'll stay that way and they have a great shot at finishing with the 2nd best record in the league. His numbers are not that good but we saw this season how valuable he is to dallas. When he got injured his team was playing like one of the worst teams in the league and after he returned dallas became a serious contender again. If i had to bet who wins it i'll pick dirk.

At this point i think who ever finishes with the better record amongst LA, miami, chicago and dallas, their team's respective best player will win MVP.

[thomaspynchon]

Dirk deserves at least a second place finish in the mvp race. Right now dallas is 2 games ahead of LA and i think it'll stay that way and they have a great shot at finishing with the 2nd best record in the league. His numbers are not that good but we saw this season how valuable he is to dallas. When he got injured his team was playing like one of the worst teams in the league and after he returned dallas became a serious contender again. If i had to bet who wins it i'll pick dirk.

At this point i think who ever finishes with the better record amongst LA, miami, chicago and dallas, their team's respective best player will win MVP.

I love dirkules but i hope he doesn't win MVP. i just want the mavs to come in with no expectations and to just roll by into the Finals without a sound.

[blacknapalm]

rose is definitely letting it slip. it's not like i thought there was any clear front runner anyway. this MVP race is kinda weak tbh. every candidate has had their pretty serious flaws so far. dirk couldn't keep up his early torrid pace. lebron isn't as clutch as he was last season and miami isn't winning close games late or beating elite teams. kobe? for every good game he has, he seems to have a bad shooting game. dwight? i don't know. he's kind of going under the radar but his case isn't super strong either. durant? started off bad, not finishing games late and having below average games vs. good defense

[creepingdeath]

One game. :facepalm

[monkeypox]

People will forget about this. If it's close, it'll come down to the final few weeks of the season. The voters will come up with criteria, like which team ends up with the best record or "how do they do on this road trip" or something like that, giving the illusion that it's up to the players to decide. In the end though, some might point to this head to head as a tie breaker, but most likely not I think.

If Howard ends up winning I imagine it'll kind of be like Dirk. People will think back and say "Oh yeah... Howard got it that year didn't he? He was pretty good back... hey check out that Blake Griffin highlight!"

[DeronMillsap]

Rose is only shooting 44% this year. No one deserves MVP the way he shoots. NOBODY.
Nobody gives a f--k about FG%, Iverson won his MVP shooting 42%. Kobe won his at 45%. Russell won 4 MVPs shooting under 45%.

They will look at points, rebounding, assists total/average and team record.

[Loebe]

You know what's funny ?? DWade goes one game, just ONE GAME where he has an off night shooting 5-15 against the knicks, and people start threads all over the place talking about how he's losing it.

Never mind the fact that Wade averaged 34 points on 56% shooting in the 4 or 5 games before that game.

Hilarious!

Rose is only shooting 44% this year. No one deserves MVP the way he shoots. NOBODY.

I think it's not really about stats and percentages. You got to look at the bigger picture. The award is called Most Valuable Player. Not the player with the best stats. I think Rose is more important for his team as Wade. Wade is not even the MVP of his own team.

[Heat007]

I think it's not really about stats and percentages. You got to look at the bigger picture. The award is called Most Valuable Player. Not the player with the best stats. I think Rose is more important for his team as Wade. Wade is not even the MVP of his own team.

Then why do the Bulls have such a lopsided winning record when Rose is playing bad ?? In Rose's 10 worst games this year the Bulls have a record of 9-1. Wade has more ppg than Rose this year (25.s vs 24.8). Wade has more rebounds averaging 7 rebounds to Rose's 4.4. This is partly because Wade is such an excellent wing help defender to the paint.

And Wade is shooting 50% compared to Rose's paltry 44%.

Wade also has more steals and blocks than Rose this year. Wade is the far superior defensive player overall. The only area where Rose is ahead this year is assists and that's because Wade is playing in a slightly different role this year.

But Wade trumps him everywhere. offensively and defensively.

Wade is the first guard since 1990 to have 2 consecutive seasons with more than a block per game for a guard. He's on pace for his 3rd consecutive season achieving that mark this year. I don't know when's the last time a guard was able to accomplish that.

Jordan had 2 consecutive seasons in 1987 and 88 for a block per game but didn't have a third. As great a blocker and as instinctive as he was defensively Jordan had 3 seasons total where he averaged a block per game in his career. 87,88 and 91

I find it hilarious that Rose is considered a leading candidate while some people are saying that Wade is having a down year... yet Wade is better across the board.

If Rose is a leading candidate this year, it only cements my feelings on Wade fully deserving of an MVP in 2009 when he had a FAR SUPERIOR year to what Rose is having this year..

Dwayne Wade 2009

30.2 ppg on 49% shooting, 5 rebs, 7.5 ast, 2.2 steals, 1.7 blocks per game

Derrick Rose 2011

24.8 ppg on 44% shooting, 4.4 rebs, 8 ast, 1 steal, 0.6 blocks per game

And Wade was on an ALL-NBA Defensive team in 2009, Rose is not close to the defender overall that Wade is.

Wade was far better then, and he's better now.

Averaging less than 25 pts per game on 44% shooting is NOT MVP material. Guys like Dwight, Durant, Lebron and others are far more deserving for MVP than Derrick frikkin' Rose.

[game385]

Give credit where credit is due. Kirk Hinrich is an elite defender.

Not only that. Kirk played with Rose for the first 2 years of his career and probably knows his game pretty well. Rose didn't blow anything in one game.

[fos]

Right now I'd give it to Howard but Rose is certainly in the conversation.

[tomtucker]

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Derrick Rose blew the MVP tonight...??.......I sure hope he didn

[Showtime]

Give it to Dwight, please
You mean Dwight "I can score 30 and still lose to the kings" Howard? He's not the MVP, because that team's MVP is the 3 PT shot. When they hit, they win, and when they don't, they lose, regardless of what Howard does.

[Kurosawa0]

Rose is winning the MVP. It's over.

[chazzy]

You mean Dwight "I can score 30 and still lose to the kings" Howard? He's not the MVP, because that team's MVP is the 3 PT shot. When they hit, they win, and when they don't, they lose, regardless of what Howard does.
Who draws the defense in to free up those shots? Who's carrying a team of chuckers to a top 3 defense?

[Funnyfuka]

Rose is going to win it simply because of media influence. Every media, analyst, journalist, writer, etc. has Rose as their MVP. i.e. whoever has the most media riding their jockstrap will win the MVP. It is sad, because it comes to a point where the fans don't even think for themselves. They just let these guys think for them. I am not saying Rose doesn't deserve it, because he does and he is for sure a candidate. I am just saying he will win it because of this.
all the votings , polls etc are fake anyway. You dont know how they are really chosen. Fact is psychologists, spin doctors etc are choosing the one that will target the biggest audience / sell more.

[oldschool4ever]

if drose blew it wednesday night, did lebrick blew his mvp chances thursday night?

[SinJackal]

konex's mom blew the MVP last night. Derrick Rose said to tell her thanks for the bj.

[konex]

if drose blew it wednesday night, did lebrick blew his mvp chances thursday night?

Bron was never going to win it

[Jacks3]

You mean Dwight "I can score 30 and still lose to the kings" Howard? He's not the MVP, because that team's MVP is the 3 PT shot. When they hit, they win, and when they don't, they lose, regardless of what Howard does.
:roll:

[All Net]

You mean Dwight "I can score 30 and still lose to the kings" Howard? He's not the MVP, because that team's MVP is the 3 PT shot. When they hit, they win, and when they don't, they lose, regardless of what Howard does.

The same Kings who got blown out by 20 the night before too :oldlol:

[monkeypox]

all the votings , polls etc are fake anyway. You dont know how they are really chosen. Fact is psychologists, spin doctors etc are choosing the one that will target the biggest audience / sell more.

Lol, I hope you don't actually believe this. This is voted by members of the Media, most of whom are competitors. They're all keeping mum about this? for what? What about all the media members that aren't good enough to get a vote, they're keeping quiet because? Or media members that are outside of sports? Are they fixing it afterwards? When most reporters have asked around and already know how most of their colleagues are voting? Wow... just wow.

[poido123]

Bahaha!! the overraction threads in full throttle! Rose has been overall the clear standout this year for MVP, and I believe Howard is gaining ground on him lately, however Rose is still ahead...

I'd be more than happy to see Howard win it, IF his team ends up with more regular season wins, as I think that would be enough to decide between the two

[sh0wtime]

if drose blew it wednesday night, did lebrick blew his mvp chances thursday night?

No because he wasnt playing even close to that horrible as Rose was, but thats easy to overlook as a hater. :)

[KIR-Balla]

http://kir-bballvideos.blogspot.com/2011/03/derrick-rose-mvp.html

[ChiCity]

im a huge bulls fan
but
i think maybe howard or dirk deserve it if there win totals are 54+ wins
i mean come on look at their roster and then ours
howard is with a bunch of past prime outside shooters
where are you going to get with arenas and turkoglu i mean come on
and dirk with a 38 yr old kidd a past prime streaky terry past prime stojakovic
deshawn motherfvcking stevenson and tyson chandler
lebron gets that award i might murder someone
most valuable player is most valuable player to their respective teams(of course the numbers and wins gotta be there to)
but take lebron from miami and they will still have 44+ wins
take dirk and howard from their teams they are straight into the lottery
and if you say the cavs have the worst record
they lost mo williams and varajeo to injury
d west shaq z all left too
now how you going to win a game with
an old jamison as your leading scorer