2011 MVP Watch: Howard, Lebron or Rose?

[IN-PAX-WE-TRUST]

Who is the 2011 MVP?

[DStebb716]

Rose. D Howard is a very close second at this point.

[MayCeltics]

who will get it? or Who should get it?
Derrick Rose will likely get the award.

My pick is Dwight Howard.

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

Dwight is my pick

But Rose is gonna win it

[TrueRob]

I pick Howard 1st and Dirk 2nd, but Rose will probably get it. If the Spurs go on an unexpected losing streak and Dallas gets the #1 seed, maybe Dirk can get it.

[IN-PAX-WE-TRUST]

I'm a Bulls fan but I still think Dwight is the MVP. That team would be a train wreck without him.

[Ne 1]

Dwight right now.

Dwight/Rose/Kobe will battle it out though for the rest of the season.

[LastChanceToWin]

The Magic would barely make the playoffs without Howard.

[alenleomessi]

I can see Durant making a late push and OKC getting the 3rd seed in the west

[DStebb716]

The Magic would barely make the playoffs without Howard.

The Bulls would barely make the playoffs without Rose. I think both teams would quite possibly miss the playoffs without their two stars. That argument is redundant. You take any star off nearly any team and they don't make the playoffs (Heat, Celtics are an exception).

[Alamo]

1. Rose
2. Dwight
3. Dirk
4. Lebron

They each have a chance at winning, but as of now it looks like it'll be either Rose or Howard. If the Bulls and Magic start falling and the Mavs stay on this streak, Dirk should win. If the Heat somehow end up as the 1 seed in the East, Lebron should win.

Still too early to pick a clear winner.

[TrueRob]

The Bulls would barely make the playoffs without Rose. I think both teams would quite possibly miss the playoffs without their two stars. That argument is redundant. You take any star off nearly any team and they don't make the playoffs (Heat, Celtics are an exception).

I think the Bulls would still be a top 2 defense without Rose. Orlando would plummet in the defensive rankings without Howard.

[Derka]

Rose for me but Howard is playing a very close runner-up.

[IN-PAX-WE-TRUST]

If Orlando finishes 3rd in the East then it's Howard IMO.

[VishaltotheG]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ph6HCjM-t-0

Someone with that attitude should be named MVP.

As long as they finish above Orlando.

[thomaspynchon]

Dirkules is MVP and he will show why when the Mavs play the spurs and lakers next week

[IN-PAX-WE-TRUST]

close one

[ThaSwagg3r]

Whoever finishes higher in the East between the Bulls and the Magic will win the MVP. LeBron is out of it, in my opinion. I think Rose will end up winning it. If team record were to play no role in this award, Dwight Howard would be the unanimous MVP in my opinion.

[miles berg]

Nowitzki or Howard, pretty much a toss up.

[DRose.IS.da.MAN]

Howard's weakness: Free throws
Dirk's weakness: Defense, and rebounding for being so tall
Lebron's weakness: Mentality, and Not cluth,
Rose's weakness: None

DRose for MVP, its getting too obvious game by game

[kabalcage]

There must be a reevaluation of this MVP talk.

1. LeBron under no circumstances should win. Sure, we will penalize him for teaming up with another MVP caliber player. However, we forget to penalize him for not having the best record in the league. Christ, he doesn't even have the best record in the East! Just write him off. He has dropped off from last year.

2. Dwight Howard is a great candidate in which his team is dragging him down. He's been the best individual player in the league. It's a shame the Magic don't have a better record. If they had a top two Eastern record, he'd be a shoe-in.

3. Derrick Rose is a good candidate, I just don't feel like he's submitting an MVP season. When I think MVP, I think of a guy putting together a landmark season that's deserving of putting that player into the HOF. Derrick Rose isn't even close to the player he will be. He's still not that great of a defender. Chicago's record is a testament to their supreme talent and tremendous defense; not a Derrick Rose show. This isn't the Chicago Cavs.

4. Dirk and Kobe are big time sleepers that will be credible MVPs if their teams can go on a run. I wouldn't mind Kobe getting it again. It's just so strange that he has only won once his entire career; think about that.

In short, try and find an excuse to give the MVP to Dwight Howard.

[Rose]

I'll admit it.

Rose is gonna win, in a weak year, but I'd rather him get one NOW, and solidify his career with one, instead of getting robbed and NEVER winning one later.

[dannysc305]

Are you guys kidding me? This ones too easy... Back to back MVP LBJ DUHHH

[blacknapalm]

weak year indeed. i'm leaning towards dwight at this point but no one is taking this. they're just edging it out.

[magnax1]

Give it to Dwight mother****ing Howard!!! 23-14 and one of the best defenders in the league! Is this not a no brainer? Dwight's second best player isn't as Good as Deng, Rose's 4th!
Dwight Mother****ing Howard!
HOWARD!

[Rose]

Give it to Dwight mother****ing Howard!!! 23-14 and one of the best defenders in the league! Is this not a no brainer? Dwight's second best player isn't as Good as Deng, Rose's 4th!
Dwight Mother****ing Howard!
HOWARD!
He'll never get the wins, even though he is the most deserving. Although...I think Jameer is better than Deng. maybe. possibly?

[nightprowler10]

I'll admit it.

Rose is gonna win, in a weak year, but I'd rather him get one NOW, and solidify his career with one, instead of getting robbed and NEVER winning one later.

A small part of me hopes that he doesn't win it, or barely misses it. You just know it'd make him hungrier and he'll go on to win 3 in a row :lol

[NBASTATMAN]

ROSE WON IT TONIGHT.. Classic overreaction post.. :D

[magnax1]

He'll never get the wins, even though he is the most deserving. Although...I think Jameer is better than Deng. maybe. possibly?
Deng might be pretty close to Jameer if he has brain damage some time soon, otherwise it's definitely Deng. I'd rather have Turkeyglue then Jameer. I really don't like Jameer as a player. He's among the most inconsistent in the NBA.

[chazzy]

Dwight still.. if Orlando finishes strong.

He'll never get the wins, even though he is the most deserving. Although...I think Jameer is better than Deng. maybe. possibly?
12.6/2.9/6.2 on 43.8% and no defense lol

[Rose]

A small part of me hopes that he doesn't win it, or barely misses it. You just know it'd make him hungrier and he'll go on to win 3 in a row :lol
:mad:

I want him to win it...just because I wanna see how hard our trolls troll/what I said earlier.

[Miserio]

He'll never get the wins, even though he is the most deserving. Although...I think Jameer is better than Deng. maybe. possibly?
BIG HUGE GIANT NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

Deng >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jameer
Not even close

[Rose]

Deng might be pretty close to Jameer if he has brain damage some time soon, otherwise it's definitely Deng. I'd rather have Turkeyglue then Jameer. I really don't like Jameer as a player. He's among the most inconsistent in the NBA.
Deng's always injured, and inconsistent.

And Chazzy...Deng's always injured.

[Indian guy]

It is Rose's to lose.

Bulls are 3 1/2 games ahead of Orlando, I don't want to hear anything about Howard.

LeBron....Miami needs to win a game first.

I have to say Kobe's blown a golden opportunity to make some headway with his consistently poor shooting the last few weeks.

[magnax1]

Deng's always injured, and inconsistent.

And Chazzy...Deng's always injured.
None the less, I'm taking Deng and every starting point guard in the league over Brain Damaged Jameer Nelson.
By the way, Deron Williams is wearing a head band. It deserves a thread, and I'm making one.

[Rose]

None the less, I'm taking Deng and every starting point guard in the league over Brain Damaged Jameer Nelson.
By the way, Deron Williams is wearing a head band. It deserves a thread, and I'm making one.
:roll:

Over Flynn? Fisher? Other point guards starting with F?...Uhmm...Bibby? Whoever the pistons use? uhhhh errr idk

[magnax1]

:roll:

Over Flynn? Fisher? Other point guards starting with F?...Uhmm...Bibby? Whoever the pistons use? uhhhh errr idk
Maybe Fisher is worse, and I think Ridnour starts in Minnesota, who basically gets the same stats and is a much smarter player.

[chazzy]

It is Rose's to lose.

Bulls are 3 1/2 games ahead of Orlando, I don't want to hear anything about Howard.

Dwight is the better individual player than Rose, has better numbers, and is a bigger reason why his team is winning than Rose. He's carrying a team of 3pt chuckers to the 3rd best defense. Bulls are elite because of their top 2 defense, and Rose isn't the biggest cause of that, even though his defense has improved since last year. If Orlando finishes within 2 or 3 games of the Bulls, I think he would deserve it over him.

[Rose]

Maybe Fisher is worse, and I think Ridnour starts in Minnesota, who basically gets the same stats and is a much smarter player.
Damn. my boy Flynn should start more.

And alright. Deng is better....maybe/I'vehatedluoldengsince07

[kabalcage]

Luol Deng is entitled to a spot on the All NBA Defensive Team. You have to be kidding that Jameer could be considered better than him. Also, Luol isn't the 4th best player on his team, he's the 3rd best.

1. Rose
2. Noah
3. Deng
4. Boozer

You guys give Boozer too much respect, he doesn't play much defense. Deng definitely contributes to winning more than Carlos.

[B-Easy]

It is Rose's to lose.

Bulls are 3 1/2 games ahead of Orlando, I don't want to hear anything about Howard.

LeBron....Miami needs to win a game first.

I have to say Kobe's blown a golden opportunity to make some headway with his consistently poor shooting the last few weeks.

lol this is so bias .. yes kobe is shooting poorly but what about rose? .. hes struggling since the break too.

im a Heat fan, but Lebron doesnt deserve it .. Heat are underachieving.

that leaves Dwight and Dirk as the strongest candidates.

Dwight is the best player in the league but his team 6 games worst than Dallas. Even with Dallas going 2-7 w/o Dirk.

1. Dirk
2. Dwight

[magnax1]

Damn. my boy Flynn should start more.

And alright. Deng is better....maybe/I'vehatedluoldengsince07
Well I've hated Jameer Nelson ever since he became an all star for no reason. Him and Deron Williams are the most undeserved point guard all star appearances ever.
:lol

[Rose]

Well I've hated Jameer Nelson ever since he became an all star for no reason. Him and Deron Williams are the most undeserved point guard all star appearances ever.
:lol
Yeah that was bullshit Rose deserved it his rookie year.:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:


And still mad at D-will?

[magnax1]

Yeah that was bullshit Rose deserved it his rookie year.:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:


And still mad at D-will?
Not really. Sort of. Maybe.
If he doesn't make the playoffs this year maybe I can go back to rooting for him when he doesn't play Utah. If not I only wish the worst upon him for the rest of his career. Maybe.

[Rose]

Not really. Sort of. Maybe.
If he doesn't make the playoffs this year maybe I can go back to rooting for him when he doesn't play Utah. If not I only wish the worst upon him for the rest of his career. Maybe.
I feel bad for you. Although I'm a huge CP3 fan so I might wind up feeling the same way, except not the same about his situation next year.

[magnax1]

I feel bad for you. Although I'm a huge CP3 fan so I might wind up feeling the same way, except not the same about his situation next year.
The think that sucks about it most is I'm not sure he would've left. What were his options? Dallas and New York, and I think he'd have to take a pretty big dip in salary to go to NY. Is it just me, or is Utah not a better organization in terms of winning then NY at least, and Dirk isn't going to last much longer.
Maybe I'm just tricking myself though, they must've been pretty sure if they traded him.

[Rose]

The think that sucks about it most is I'm not sure he would've left. What were his options? Dallas and New York, and I think he'd have to take a pretty big dip in salary to go to NY. Is it just me, or is Utah not a better organization in terms of winning then NY at least, and Dirk isn't going to last much longer.
Maybe I'm just tricking myself though, they must've been pretty sure if they traded him.
I think he was leaving regardless, or something was gonna come out that was gonna make his life hell so they decided **** it, rebuild on the fly! Which was brilliant to me. And I agree with your logic.

[magnax1]

I think he was leaving regardless, or something was gonna come out that was gonna make his life hell so they decided **** it, rebuild on the fly! Which was brilliant to me. And I agree with your logic.
Yeah. Only problem is that their whole future basically revolves around the two first round picks they got. I guess it's better then all other options, but I want Deron back.
:lol

[Rose]

Yeah. Only problem is that their whole future basically revolves around the two first round picks they got. I guess it's better then all other options, but I want Deron back.
:lol
harris has done well hasn't he? And Favors to me, seems legit. plus they have their own picks, and AK's expiring this year too. so there IS a light.

[Optimus Prime]

It's clearly between Howard and Rose. Anybody who says otherwise is just an ignorant fanboi.

[magnax1]

harris has done well hasn't he? And Favors to me, seems legit. plus they have their own picks, and AK's expiring this year too. so there IS a light.
Harris is okay, but he's not a long term fit to me. I do like Favors a lot more then I thought I would though. I thought he was going to be an idiot, but he's already the second or third best defender on the team.

[Rose]

Harris is okay, but he's not a long term fit to me. I do like Favors a lot more then I thought I would though. I thought he was going to be an idiot, but he's already the second or third best defender on the team.
Yeah I can understand that. I look at him as more of a stopgap as well. For some reason..I can envision steph curry on that team. And I'd love it.

And that's the thing that impresses me about Favors, he's a damned good defender ALREADY. He can be so much better on that end, plus his offensive potential? is wowing.

[InspiredLebowski]

Howard goes down in training camp with a torn ACL, do the Magic make the playoffs?

[Rose]

Howard goes down in training camp with a torn ACL, do the Magic make the playoffs?
:no:

[magnax1]

Yeah I can understand that. I look at him as more of a stopgap as well. For some reason..I can envision steph curry on that team. And I'd love it.

And that's the thing that impresses me about Favors, he's a damned good defender ALREADY. He can be so much better on that end, plus his offensive potential? is wowing.
Yeah, I watched Favors in college some, and I thought I saw nothing, so how well he's played is really surprisng to me. I would like to see Curry though, no idea how he'd get there though.

[IN-PAX-WE-TRUST]

Howard goes down in training camp with a torn ACL, do the Magic make the playoffs?

Nope. But you gotta remember that the team was built around Howard. A bunch of guys who shoot 3's. So obviously they would be terrible if Howard was out.

[Rose]

Yeah, I watched Favors in college some, and I thought I saw nothing, so how well he's played is really surprisng to me. I would like to see Curry though, no idea how he'd get there though.
Yeah same, I saw a lost, but talented guy. but once he got to the NBA, he got a lot better. and ditto.

[InspiredLebowski]

Nope. But you gotta remember that the team was built around Howard. A bunch of guys who shoot 3's. So obviously they would be terrible if Howard was out.I know, I thought of that while typing it so it is unfair to pretty much anyone else not named McBob (who's the true MVP). I'm not saying that alone should make Howard the MVP, just that it's a pretty clear indication of his "valuable-ness."

I honestly just don't care much about post-season awards, never have. Guess it'd be different if any Pacer in my life other than JO was ever even close to MVP consideration. Like when I think how good Player X is/was I don't immediately go to All NBA teams and MVPs/DPOYs/whatever.

[Rose]

Howard deserves it, but with the lame criteria, it's almost certainly Rose's. Basically if Rose beats the Heat, and comes close against the C's in the next to last game of the season...It's his. I can't see any other way someone else wins it.

[EricGordon23]

I saw Howard should get it. Rose has a really strong supporting cast. IMO a lot of PG's can replace him and they would still be having an incredible year. It doesn't matter which Center you put to fill Dwight's shoes Orlando will not win.

[Rose]

In a perfect world

it'd be
Howard
Dirk
Rose

But ESPN has Dirk at a distant fourth and most of their guys vote for MVP...so....he's kinda screwed Ginobili.

[last man]

D-Rose is still the frontrunner, although his play has been down a bit since the all star break. D12 making a strong push cant deny his play right now.

[dunksby]

Howard's weakness: Free throws
Dirk's weakness: Defense, and rebounding for being so tall
Lebron's weakness: Mentality, and Not cluth,
Rose's weakness: None

DRose for MVP, its getting too obvious game by game
:facepalm :facepalm

[MMM]

howard seems to be stepping up the most out of the MVP candidates. While the heat have collapsed the last few weeks, rose is putting up below average numers post ASB, and dirk isn't playing @ the same level post injury. rose should still be the front runner howard is closing the gap fast and could overtake him if he continues his recent play.

[hkfosho]

Just due to precedence, I can't see Howard winning it. in the last 20 years, all the MVP winners were part of a top 4 team recordwise.

[Rose]

Just due to precedence, I can't see Howard winning it. in the last 20 years, all the MVP winners were part of a top 4 team recordwise.
Exactly. Which sucks for him.

[MMM]

Just due to precedence, I can't see Howard winning it. in the last 20 years, all the MVP winners were part of a top 4 team recordwise.

yea but this season is a down year for mvp it probably opens it up for past qualifications to be ignored. 2 of the top 4 teams don't have relistic mvp candidates so the mvp just might come from a 5th or 6th best team this season.

[DRoseOwnsACamry]

Does anyone have NBA.com's latest Race to the MVP thing? I can't find it

[Rose]

Well the magic have a fairly moderate schedule the rest of the way which hurts him, somewhat especially given 4 games (lakers, chicago, suns, and Knicks) are the only ones on tv. And the suns one will probably get dropped. he needs the airtime.

Especially since Rose still gets Miami, Hawks, and then Boston and the Knicks in the last week. and the Magic/Bulls game is in the last 2 weeks, so if Rose wins there the media will basically award it to him.

[ThaSwagg3r]

Does anyone have NBA.com's latest Race to the MVP thing? I can't find it
http://www.nba.com/2011/news/03/04/race-to-the-mvp-week-19/index.html

1. Rose
2. LeBron
3. Dwight
4. Dirk
5. Durant

[MMM]

sas best record in the league but they don't have a horse in the race and the samething goes for Boston. while dallas and la both have candidates they seem to be behind the pack of rose, james, and howard. those 3 players make up the teams with the next 3 best records, so who ever finished ahead of the pack of those 3 teams has a good shot of getting MVP.

[Cangri]

http://www.nba.com/2011/news/03/04/race-to-the-mvp-week-19/index.html

1. Rose
2. LeBron
3. Dwight
4. Dirk
5. Durant
Howard gets no respect, guess they don't take the defense impact of players into consideration when ranking :facepalm

[PurpleChuck]

Where to fk is Wade on the list!?!?:facepalm

[Rose]

Howard gets no respect, guess they don't take the defense impact of players into consideration when ranking :facepalm
Never have. Probably stopped Timmy from getting an MVP in the middle of the decade.

[Jacks3]

Kobe not even top 5. :facepalm 25/5/5/1.2/56% TS/24 PER in only 34 MPG on a 44-19 team. :facepalm

[PurpleChuck]

Kobe not even top 5. :facepalm 25/5/5/1.2/56% TS/24 PER in only 34 MPG on a 44-19 team. :facepalm
You joyner now?

Kobe is IRRELEVANT. Era over for you, go home.

[hkfosho]

Howard gets no respect, guess they don't take the defense impact of players into consideration when ranking :facepalm

they don't. It's called DPOY

[Jacks3]

You joyner now?

Kobe is IRRELEVANT. Era over for you, go home.
How does that make me joyner? The only advanced stat I brought up was TS% and that's not even that advanced..

As for Bryant being irreverent...okay...

[creepingdeath]

Never have. Probably stopped Timmy from getting an MVP in the middle of the decade.
Duncan and KG got their rightful MVPs. Of course they take into consideration defense.

[creepingdeath]

How does that make me joyner? The only advanced stat I brought up was TS% and that's not even that advanced..

As for Bryant being irreverent...okay...
Jacks, I honestly don't think you can justify Kobe being in the top 5 of the MVP discussion right now, considering that LA is underachieving (despite having one of the easiest SOS) and Kobe is playing very well in limited minutes, but not to his usual standard. Add to those facts that other superstars have stepped up tremendously and some teams are having suprisingly awesome records, and end of discussion.

I know he's being rested by Phil, yeah, but rightly so. Kobe has declined, not by much, but he definitely has. And a coach like Jackson and a player like Bryant both know that LA needs a well-rested and perfectly healthy KB in the postseason.

In not too long unfortunately, the era of the KGs, Duncans and KGs will be over, followed by Dirk a couple of seasons later. Honestly speaking, I'm not looking forward that much to the second half of this decade, but rather enjoy the first one and bask in the greatness of these unique players.

[chazzy]

Jacks, I honestly don't think you can justify Kobe being in the top 5 of the MVP discussion right now, considering that LA is underachieving (despite having one of the easiest SOS) and Kobe is playing very well in limited minutes, but not to his usual standard. Add to those facts that other superstars have stepped up tremendously and some teams are having suprisingly awesome records, and end of discussion.

I know he's being rested by Phil, yeah, but rightly so. Kobe has declined, not by much, but he definitely has. And a coach like Jackson and a player like Bryant both know that LA needs a well-rested and perfectly healthy KB in the postseason.

In not too long unfortunately, the era of the KGs, Duncans and KGs will be over, followed by Dirk a couple of seasons later. Honestly speaking, I'm not looking forward that much to the second half of this decade, but rather enjoy the first one and bask in the greatness of these unique players.
Who's 5th though? Howard, Rose, Dirk, Lebron and... he's certainly in the conversation for 5th given the recent slide of Miami/Chi.


You joyner now?

Kobe is IRRELEVANT. Era over for you, go home.
Weak trolling, step your game up son.

[Jacks3]

Again, how is not justifiable for Bryant being top 5? Individually, he's having a better season than Dirk/Rose and arguably Durant. His team has a 44-19 record, which is as good as the Heat, Bulls, and Magic and only two games back of the Mavs. His numbers are better than any of the top MVP candidates not named Dwight or LBJ.

Really, he has a more complete MVP resume than anybody but Rose and maybe Dirk. Dwight's team is only a 4th seed. LeBron plays with Wade. Durant-again a 4th seed. Dirk has low volume numbers (23/7).

He's easily top 5...

[creepingdeath]

Who's 5th though? Howard, Rose, Dirk, Lebron and... he's certainly in the conversation for 5th given the recent slide of Miami/Chi.

Okay, you're right, the fifth place is justified. But I think there's a gap between the first three places (Howard, Dirk, Rose), the fourth (Lebron) and the fifth (Kobe).


Again, how is not justifiable for Bryant being top 5? Individually, he's having a better season than Dirk/Rose and arguably Durant. His team has a 44-19 record, which is as good as the Heat, Bulls, and Magic and only two games back of the Mavs. His numbers are better than any of the top MVP candidates not named Dwight or LBJ.

Really, he has a more complete MVP resume than anybody but Rose and maybe Dirk. Dwight's team is only a 4th seed. LeBron plays with Wade. Durant-again a 4th seed. Dirk has low volume numbers (23/7).

He's easily top 5...
You're right, he IS top 5, my bad. But I as I've said before, there's a very big gap to the first three places imo. And he's definitely not having a better season than Dirk. His numbers are better than Rose's, though, that's right.

[Jacks3]

Okay, you're right, the fifth place is justified. But I think there's a gap between the first three places (Howard, Dirk, Rose), the fourth (Lebron) and the fifth (Kobe).


You're right, he IS top 5, my bad. But I as I've said before, there's a very big gap to the first three places imo. And he's definitely not having a better season than Dirk. His numbers are better than Rose's, though, that's right.
?

I don't think Bryant has any real chance either, but he's definitely having a better season than Dirk.

25/5/5/1.1/56% TS> 23/7/3/0.5/61% TS imo. Both play 34 MPG

Per 36 minutes:
Bryant: 27-6-5
Dirk 24-7-3

Kobe has also played 11 more games, which is huge.

[creepingdeath]

?

I don't think Bryant has any real chance either, but he's definitely having a better season than Dirk.

25/5/5/1.1/56% TS> 23/7/3/0.5/61% TS imo. Both play 34 MPG

Per 36 minutes:
Bryant: 27-6-5
Dirk 24-7-3

Kobe has also played 11 more games, which is huge.

I think Dirk's per 36 is definitely better than Kobe's. Nowitzki's efficiency is through the roof.

Dirk: 24.1/7/2.6 on 53/42.1/87
Bryant: 26.7/5.5/5.1 45.9/32.1/82.9

I guess you just got your TS% numbers wrong, right? ;) Dirk: 62.4 TS% Kobe: 55.4 TS%

And please keep in mind that Dirk's stats took a huge hit because of his knee and wrist injuries and that his team went 2-7 without him. Despite that, the Mavs are in front of LA - with a team that is clearly inferior to Kobe's.

[IN-PAX-WE-TRUST]

My MVP rankings

1. Howard
2. Rose
3. Lebron
4. Dirk
5. Durant

[twintowers]

Without a doubt this year it's going to D-Rose...

[ballerz]

its down to d-rose or howard.

[ginobli2311]

its down to d-rose or howard.

going to keep saying:

Dirk says hi. :facepalm

[PurpleChuck]

Without a doubt this year it's going to D-Wade...
Fixed.

And you're welcome.:pimp:

[BigTicket]

1. Howard
2. Rose
3. Dirk
4. Lebron
5. Kobe

[Jacks3]

I think Dirk's per 36 is definitely better than Kobe's. Nowitzki's efficiency is through the roof.

Dirk: 24.1/7/2.6 on 53/42.1/87
Bryant: 26.7/5.5/5.1 45.9/32.1/82.9

I guess you just got your TS% numbers wrong, right? ;) Dirk: 62.4 TS% Kobe: 55.4 TS%

And please keep in mind that Dirk's stats took a huge hit because of his knee and wrist injuries and that his team went 2-7 without him. Despite that, the Mavs are in front of LA - with a team that is clearly inferior to Kobe's.
No. Dirk has efficiency, but Kobe's volume is considerably higher ( +3 PPG) and his play-making craps all over Dirk (5 APG to 3). He's also somehow only grabbing 1.5 less rebounds despite the fact that he's a SG playing with Odom/Bynum/Pau and Dirk is a PF. lol.

And Dirk shouldn't be rewarded for missing games. The fact is, Kobe has played 11 more games than he has. That adds huge value to Bryant.

I'll take 27-6-5-55% TS with 11 more games played easily over 24-7-3-62%.

[thomaspynchon]

No. Dirk has efficiency, but Kobe's volume is considerably higher ( +3 PPG) and his play-making craps all over Dirk (5 APG to 3). He's also somehow only grabbing 1.5 less rebounds despite the fact that he's a SG playing with Odom/Bynum/Pau and Dirk is a PF. lol.

And Dirk shouldn't be rewarded for missing games. The fact is, Kobe has played 11 more games than he has. That adds huge value to Bryant.

I'll take 27-6-5-55% TS with 11 more games played easily over 24-7-3-62%.

Kobe's assists are a function of the amount of time the ball in his hands more than any passing ability. Dirk is a better passer and easily at that.

[brownmamba00]

I think Dirk's per 36 is definitely better than Kobe's. Nowitzki's efficiency is through the roof.

Dirk: 24.1/7/2.6 on 53/42.1/87
Bryant: 26.7/5.5/5.1 45.9/32.1/82.9

I guess you just got your TS% numbers wrong, right? ;) Dirk: 62.4 TS% Kobe: 55.4 TS%

And please keep in mind that Dirk's stats took a huge hit because of his knee and wrist injuries and that his team went 2-7 without him. Despite that, the Mavs are in front of LA - with a team that is clearly inferior to Kobe's.

Dirk is a 7ft big guy that plays at the 4. I think you should take that into consideration too. But still Dirk should be ahead of Kobe in the MVP candidates. He has a way bigger impact on his current team

The MVP should be Howard with Rose close second.

[Jacks3]

Kobe's assists are a function of the amount of time the ball in his hands more than any passing ability. Dirk is a better passer and easily at that.
Uh no. Kobe is a far better passer/play-maker. Not only is he much quicker, but he's a far better ball-handler, which allows him to draw defenses and make a greater variety of passes. Not to mention Bryant plays in the triangle, which lowers his assist numbers.

LOL @ Dirk being a better passer.

How delusional are you?


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[Nash-tastic]

1) Dwight Howard
2) Derrick Rose
3) Dirk Nowitzki
4) LeBron James

[creepingdeath]

No. Dirk has efficiency, but Kobe's volume is considerably higher ( +3 PPG) and his play-making craps all over Dirk (5 APG to 3). He's also somehow only grabbing 1.5 less rebounds despite the fact that he's a SG playing with Odom/Bynum/Pau and Dirk is a PF. lol.
Then what about the fact that Dirk plays next to all-time rebounding PG Kidd, a great rebounder in Shawn Marion und three big guys Chandler/Haywood/Mahinmi? Dirk also grabs only two less assists (with one less to) than Kobe, although Kobe is a SG.



I'll take 27-6-5-55% TS with 11 more games played easily over 24-7-3-62%.
Okay.

[alenleomessi]

At the end of the season i think it will be something like this :

1. Howard
2. Rose
3. James
4. Durant
5. Dirk

[Rnbizzle]

1. Rose
2. Howard
3. Lebron
4. Kobe
5. Dirk

Just because Dirk's team sucked during that stretch he was out, doesn't mean they not deep. They're actually one of the deepest team in the NBA, just underachieved at that time. If you look at Dwight for instance, they're only playing well because he's putting up crazy numbers..

As for Rose, this kid is scoring at will whenever chicago needs it.. Humble kid, great workethic. Eventhough they're not even very relevant those reasons make me want him to get the MVP. More deserving then LBJ for instance who took his talents to south bay..

[sh0wtime]

1. Lebron
2. Rose
3. Howard
4. Dirk
5. Durant

Yes Lebron plays with Wade & Bosh, but from a complete team standpoint, from depth standpoint he has actually less help from Rose. Boozer, Deng & Noah actually more than outproduce Wade & Bosh alone! This is what the media ignores to talk about and what some Rose fans dont want to you to understand. Rose has first of all what i think is the best defensive team in the NBA and offensively Boozer, Deng, Noah, Bogans, Asik and a deep bench of young hustling players, a team that doesnt depend on Rose but merely use balanced attacks from an entire team standpoint to take out other teams, what you see in Chicago is not the impact or result of one man.

Those 3 players (Boozer, Deng, Noah) alone outproduce any 3 men of the starting lineup of Miami Heat offensively and especially defensively.

Starters Boozer, Deng, Noah together average:
49.4 ppg
27.3 rpg
7.2 apg

Starters Wade, Bosh, Dampier together average:
45.5 ppg
18.0 rpg
6.0 apg

I dont care that Miami Heat has bigger names "Wade" or "Bosh", i dont care if they have Chuck Norris, if they dont outproduce and give bigger impact than Boozer & Deng then i really couldnt give a *beep* about how famous their names are.

So now you end up with Lebron, who has the highest PER in the league, the highest productions in the league, who put up nasty performances, who played up to 4 positions offensively and defensively, who turned the best team in the NBA to the worst team in the NBA, who turned a mediocre team to what will soon be the best team in the NBA maybe.... and so now you have your MVP of 2010-11, Lebron James.

[davidenk0]

I take Howard, because Rose's supporting cast is pretty good and Howard is playing with a bunch of scrubs.

[EleganceD]

1. Lebron
2. Rose
3. Howard
4. Dirk
5. Durant

Yes Lebron plays with Wade & Bosh, but from a complete team standpoint, from depth standpoint he has actually less help from Rose. Boozer, Deng & Noah actually more than outproduce Wade & Bosh alone! This is what the media ignores to talk about and what some Rose fans dont want to you to understand. Rose has first of all what i think is the best defensive team in the NBA and offensively Boozer, Deng, Noah, Bogans, Asik and a deep bench of young hustling players, a team that doesnt depend on Rose but merely use balanced attacks from an entire team standpoint to take out other teams, what you see in Chicago is not the impact or result of one man.

Those 3 players (Boozer, Deng, Noah) alone outproduce any 3 men of the starting lineup of Miami Heat offensively and especially defensively.

Starters Boozer, Deng, Noah together average:
49.4 ppg
27.3 rpg
7.2 apg

Starters Wade, Bosh, Dampier together average:
45.5 ppg
18.0 rpg
6.0 apg

I dont care that Miami Heat has bigger names "Wade" or "Bosh", i dont care if they have Chuck Norris, if they dont outproduce and give bigger impact than Boozer & Deng then i really couldnt give a *beep* about how famous their names are.

So now you end up with Lebron, who has the highest PER in the league, the highest productions in the league, who put up nasty performances, who played up to 4 positions offensively and defensively, who turned the best team in the NBA to the worst team in the NBA, who turned a mediocre team to what will soon be the best team in the NBA maybe.... and so now you have your MVP of 2010-11, Lebron James.
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[creepingdeath]

http://espn.go.com/nba/notebook/_/page/Awards-101214/nba-awards-watch

(http://espn.go.com/nba/dailydime/_/page/dime-110304-06/second-trimester-awards)

The first and second trimester award going to Dirk... I rest my case. :pimp:

[konex]

Howard is the guy. I don't care what his record is

[creepingdeath]

Howard is the guy. I don't care what his record is
Don't create a thread about it, everyone knows about your curse.

[Myth]

Interesting looking at this thread since everybody hates on Rose's MVP now. Seems like everybody now says it should be LeBron, but most back then here seemed to say Rose, Dirk, or Howard.

[Rose'sACL]

Interesting looking at this thread since everybody hates on Rose's MVP now. Seems like everybody now says it should be LeBron, but most back then here seemed to say Rose, Dirk, or Howard.
i don't mind it not being lebron but howard had a better season and was playing on a worse team than rose.
The reason no one had lebron winning was because the decision was fresh in their memory and that wade was having a pretty good season.
mvp in other sports always goes to the best player or if they give it to someone else then that guy usually has stats that were very close to the best player. NBA is weird in this regard.
Jordan was robbed of MVPs and in 2011 lebron was. kobe could have had at least one more mvp if it was given to the best player but he would not have win the one that he has. he was the best player in the league by most estimates before 2008. after 2008, it has been lebron.

[Eric Cartman]

Dwight deserves it, but they'll give it to Rose IMO.

[Fudge]

In this situation, Steph Curry is Derrick Rose of this year, and Harden is Dwight.

They'll give it to Rose, when we all know Dwight is the more deserving one.

[ArbitraryWater]

Howard is the guy. I don't care what his record is

damn