Amare > or = Dirk

[MELOgamaniac]

I find Dirk overrated ..whether its current or alltime ...Tell me ya reason for picking dirk and I will destroy your argument


Go ahead

[HylianNightmare]

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[Stuckey]

amare could never accomplish what dirk did with the mavs this decade

[Rnbizzle]

> yeah i said it

[kaiiu]

neither. Under<

[sipitri]

Being robbed in the finals > never been to the finals

[Silverbullit]

Amare <<<< Dirk

[MELOgamaniac]

Being robbed in the finals > never been to the finals

lol...its not like tim donahgy reffed a crucial game in the mavs heat series that cost 1 team a finals birth....hmmm

[O BaByShaQ]

I hate dirk as well but his lean back fader but not get of the ground shot is nasty + amare is still too young in his career to compare the 2

[Bigsmoke]

Dirk is better

[MELOgamaniac]

amare could never accomplish what dirk did with the mavs this decade

You act like dirk did this by himself...He had good coaches, Great Teamates..and proally the best owner for a franchise...

You want to give Dirk Credit for all of Dallas success but when they get ousted in first rounds, and drop a 3-0 series lead int he finals..and leave the playoffs int he first round for multiple years , you dont want to give him any blame..


PROVE to me he is Truly better than Amare

[MELOgamaniac]

I hate dirk as well but his lean back fader but not get of the ground shot is nasty + amare is still too young in his career to compare the 2

I dont hate Dirk..I just dont see why people rate him so high....F.Y.I.

Amare's midrange jumper is just as deadly now

[A.R.T]

both play no d, suck at rebounding. i'd take dirk tho

[tommy3]

You're an idiot and a troll. Let's go this way, prove me Amar'e is better than Dirk. Dirk has enough accomplishments to talk about his greatness, what about Amar'e?

[MELOgamaniac]

both play no d, suck at rebounding. i'd take dirk tho


They both suck but Amare is better at both then Dirk

[Darkbright2]

I dont hate Dirk..I just dont see why people rate him so high....F.Y.I.

Amare's midrange jumper is just as deadly now

Maybe when he's wide open.. You can't tell me that a contested Amare jumper will go in the same amount of times Dirk's do when he's totally smothered by a defender.

[moaz]

Dirk has longer hair.

[Mr Know It All]

I find Dirk overrated ..whether its current or alltime ...Tell me ya reason for picking dirk and I will destroy your argument


Go ahead

1 Time MVP
1 Time NBA Finalist
10 Time All Star
4 Time All NBA First Team
4 Time All NBA Second Team
2 Time All NBA Third Team
Lead his team to 10 consecutive 50 win seasons (and counting).
#23 on the NBA's all time scoring list and still climbing. Will probably end up in the top 10 or 15 when all is said and done.

Bye.

[MELOgamaniac]

You're an idiot and a troll. Let's go this way, prove me Amar'e is better than Dirk. Dirk has enough accomplishments to talk about his greatness, what about Amar'e?


Accomplishments and Accolades for the most part are subjective, and largely based on popularity and overall who's in the most favor..unless based on stats alone for ex. Scoring CHAMP

but allstar game nominations
Defensive Team selections
All NBA teams
MVP's
Rookie of the Year

These things do display a persons value but ..they ahve to be taken in context...at the time

Most accolades are tainted and not awarded to the people that deserve them
examples.

ex...Did somebody get a allstar selection or ALL NBA team selection because a more talented player was injured

Vince carter all star selections just because fans want to see him dunk (not cause of his level of play)

etc....

I can go on ...

[HEAT111]

They both suck but Amare is better at both then Dirk



:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

YOU.FAIL.

Dirk = 1 MVP

Amar'e = 0 MVP

Look at that, you even forgot to put the apostrophe.

[Teanett]

dirk won all his accolades and award with amare in the same conference playing the same position.

bye

[Clutch]

Wait a second.

If you are talking about current condition (who is better at the moment) I would pick Amare over Dirk.

If you are talking who had more successful career than the answer is obvious-Dirk.

[MELOgamaniac]

Maybe when he's wide open.. You can't tell me that a contested Amare jumper will go in the same amount of times Dirk's do when he's totally smothered by a defender.

dirk does hit more difficult shots that are contested...I cannot argue that..but not sure if that makes him better

[MELOgamaniac]

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

YOU.FAIL.

Dirk = 1 MVP

Amar'e = 0 MVP

Look at that, you even forgot to put the apostrophe.



I said Amare is a better defender and rebounder than dirk..what does MVP have to do with it ....I need you to actually read

[HEAT111]

50.0%
42.0%
44.0%
26.1%
85.7%
85.0%
FG %3FG%FT %
DAL NYK
Total Rebounds 54 34
Offensive Rebounds 10 5
Turnovers 15 8
Fast Break Pts: 15 19
Biggest Lead: 24 8
Points in the Paint: 38 44
DAL NYK
p Nowitzki 29 Gallinari 27
rb 2 players 11 Fields 9
a Kidd 10 Felton 9
s 3 players 1 Douglas 3
b 4 players 1 Stoudemire 3
02/02 - DAL113 @ NYK9703/10 - NYK @ DAL adidas Dallas Mavericks Dirk Nowitzki Swingman Road Jersey
adidas New York Knicks Amar'e Stoudemire Swingman Road Jersey

Dallas Mavericks (33-15)
field goalsrebounds
pos min fgm-a 3pm-a ftm-a +/- off def tot ast pf st to bs ba pts
B. Cardinal F 10:13 1-1 1-1 0-0 -3 0 0 0 3 1 0 0 0 0 3
D. Nowitzki F 32:49 10-16 2-4 7-7 +27 1 10 11 3 2 0 1 1 1 29
T. Chandler C 28:37 6-9 0-0 3-4 +16 3 8 11 0 3 0 1 1 0 15
J. Kidd G 31:47 2-10 2-7 0-0 +16 1 5 6 10 1 1 1 0 1 6
D. Stevenson G 30:56 5-9 3-6 0-0 +9 2 3 5 1 1 0 1 0 0 13
S. Marion 23:03 1-8 0-0 3-4 -9 1 9 10 2 3 0 4 0 2 5
J. Terry 30:26 6-12 0-3 0-1 +7 1 3 4 2 2 1 2 0 0 12
B. Haywood 15:52 2-4 0-0 0-0 +3 0 2 2 0 4 0 0 1 1 4
J. Barea 30:10 7-12 3-4 5-5 +21 1 2 3 3 0 1 3 0 1 22
I. Mahinmi 03:31 1-1 0-0 0-0 -3 0 1 1 0 1 0 1 1 0 2
D. Jones 02:36 1-2 0-0 0-0 -4 0 1 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 2
P. Stojakovic 00:00 0-0 0-0 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Total 240 42-84 11-25 18-21 10 44 54 24 18 3 15 4 6 113
50.0% 44.0% 85.7% team rebs: 6 total to: 16
New York Knicks (25-23)
field goalsrebounds
pos min fgm-a 3pm-a ftm-a +/- off def tot ast pf st to bs ba pts
D. Gallinari F 38:50 7-14 1-5 12-12 -12 0 6 6 2 1 2 3 1 1 27
A. Stoudemire C-F 36:09 10-20 0-0 1-2 -14 1 4 5 4 2 1 1 3 1 21
R. Turiaf C-F 08:58 0-1 0-0 0-0 -17 0 0 0 1 1 1 0 0 0 0
R. Felton G 35:46 4-14 1-4 2-2 -12 0 3 3 9 1 0 0 1 0 11
L. Fields G 31:18 2-11 0-4 0-0 -23 2 7 9 0 0 1 1 0 1 4
S. Williams 23:43 1-5 0-1 0-0 +4 0 7 7 1 6 1 1 1 0 2
T. Douglas 28:21 9-13 3-6 1-2 -2 0 0 0 3 0 3 0 0 0 22
T. Mozgov 15:34 2-4 0-0 0-0 -6 0 1 1 0 1 0 1 0 1 4
B. Walker 14:48 1-2 0-1 0-0 -6 1 1 2 0 2 2 0 0 0

[MELOgamaniac]

Wait a second.

If you are talking about current condition (who is better at the moment) I would pick Amare over Dirk.

If you are talking who had more successful career than the answer is obvious-Dirk.


I agree with everything you are saying..im just comparing player..current Amare is better than Dirk

Dirks career has been more successful so far is better than Amare's..thats largely due to being in the league longer to have more time to achieve things

[rodman91]

http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Dirk_Nowitzki%27s_Achievements


* Became the 3rd player in NBA history to lead the league in Win Shares for at least 3 consecutive seasons (2005-2007). The others are Michael Jordan and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.

* Became the 3rd player in NBA history (after Rick Barry and Larry Bird) to average 26-plus points while shooting 90% or better from the line (2005-06)

* Only 1 of 5 players in NBA history to average + 25ppg and + 10rpg in the NBA playoffs. The others are Elgin Baylor, Hakeem Olajuwon, Bob Petit and Shaquille O'Neal.

* Became the 5th player in NBA history to shoot better than 50% from the field (50.2), 40% from three-point range (41.6), and 90% from the line (90.4) (2006-07). The others are Larry Bird, Reggie Miller, Mark Price, Steve Nash, and Jose Calderon. He and Bird are the only two of the six to average more than 20 points per game.

* Named MVP and was the leading scorer of the 2002 Basketball World Championships in Indianapolis, Indiana, winning the bronze medal with the Germann National Basketball Team
* Named MVP and was the leading scorer of the 2005 European Championship, winning the silver medal with the Germany National Basketball Team

i don't even need to mention about mvp..

Dirk>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Amar'e.

Dirk's name belong to greatest power forwards of all time list.

[SinJackal]

I agree with everything you are saying..im just comparing player..current Amare is better than Dirk

Dirks career has been more successful so far is better than Amare's..thats largely due to being in the league longer to have more time to achieve things

Funny how you changed your mind now after getting smashed with Dirk facts.

Your original post:


I find Dirk overrated ..whether its current or alltime ...Tell me ya reason for picking dirk and I will destroy your argument

Go ahead

Now you're conceding that Dirk is better since you know you had a fail argument.

As for that garbage about saying Dirk's career's only better because he's had longer to do it, no. Prime Dirk was better than prime Amar'e. More unstoppable scorer, better playoff performer, won much more consistently, was injured far less, and had better playoff success. Amar'e's career hasn't been much shorter than Dirk's. Dirk only had 4 more years, one of which was a half of a crap season as a rookie. So basically 3 more years. Amar'e can't accomplish what Dirk did over that span to close the gap unless he magically wins a title in the span. I doubt he gets any MVPs either now with Melo there.

It's safe to say Amar'e will never be considered better than Dirk on the all time list unless he wins a title (as a main guy, not as a roleplayer ala current Shaq if he gets another) and Dirk doesn't.

[MELOgamaniac]

Funny how you changed your mind now after getting smashed with Dirk facts.

Your original post:



Now you're conceding that Dirk is better since you know you had a fail argument.

As for that garbage about saying Dirk's career's only better because he's had longer to do it, no. Prime Dirk was better than prime Amar'e. More unstoppable scorer, better playoff performer, won much more consistently, was injured far less, and had better playoff success. Amar'e's career hasn't been much shorter than Dirk's. Dirk only had 4 more years, one of which was a half of a crap season as a rookie. So basically 3 more years. Amar'e can't accomplish what Dirk did over that span to close the gap unless he magically wins a title in the span. I doubt he gets any MVPs either now with Melo there.

It's safe to say Amar'e will never be considered better than Dirk on the all time list unless he wins a title (as a main guy, not as a roleplayer ala current Shaq if he gets another) and Dirk doesn't.


I have not changed my argument..unlike most people on this board i give credit where it is due..Dirk has ha da better career (team success)...Im talking about them as individual players

Now let me school you real quick

Dirk has played 11 seasons..excluding current and rookie
Amare has played 7 exluding current and rookie

thats 4 years...1 year amare only played 3 games..so we can call that 5 years...3 of those years amare played less than 59 games...so we can round that up to a 6 year advantage.....

6 years is a long time..if we go back 6 years ...ya man Dirk wasnt even an MVP lol

[thomaspynchon]

lol...its not like tim donahgy reffed a crucial game in the mavs heat series that cost 1 team a finals birth....hmmm

Mavs are 1-19 or 2-19 when danny crawford refs in playoffs. and he reffed 2 or 3 games in the Finals.

he did a hell of a job handing the spurs the series last postseason over the Mavs

[Clutch]

Mavs are 1-19 or 2-19 when danny crawford refs in playoffs. and he reffed 2 or 3 games in the Finals.

he did a hell of a job handing the spurs the series last postseason over the Mavs
Don't talk like that.
Crawford is the most consistent ref in the NBA.
He is consistently bad :oldlol:

[iDefend5]

this season Amare has been better.

[sipitri]

You should write a resume about why you think Amare is better than an overrated Dirk, instead of waiting for others' opionions to argue.

[the_wise_one]

Dirk >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Amare.
It's like comparing Michael Jordan and Eric Snow.

[Ariza4three]

Garbage thread, please lock it. Amar'e can't touch Dirk right now. Nowitzki is a legit MVP candidate leading his team to another 50 win season. What has Amar'e done recently or what did he do when he was in Phoenix other than constantly choke against the Spurs?

[kentatm]

I'm trying to figure out how a guy who has mostly been a sidekick his entire career is better than a guy that has the clear cut #1 on his team for half a decade.

[MELOgamaniac]

You should write a resume about why you think Amare is better than an overrated Dirk, instead of waiting for others' opionions to argue.

You are right..nobody wants to actually say anything meaning full....

but basically Amare and Dirk stat wise are very much even...When you take a look at their best years..nobody is a clear cut better player ..and when you consider Amare may still have not seen his best years that helps him.

Being a "second option" in Phoenix..and to put up similar #'s to Dirk helps my case..

When you let that soak in...we can talk about resume's and intangibles and compare those next

My point is Dirk is overrated..and i can consider them being even..but most people act like Dirk blows Amare out the water...when he does not

[creepingdeath]

You are right..nobody wants to actually say anything meaning full....

but basically Amare and Dirk stat wise are very much even...When you take a look at their best years..nobody is a clear cut better player ..and when you consider Amare may still have not seen his best years that helps him.

Being a "second option" in Phoenix..and to put up similar #'s to Dirk helps my case..

When you let that soak in...we can talk about resume's and intangibles and compare those next

My point is Dirk is overrated..and i can consider them being even..but most people act like Dirk blows Amare out the water...when he does not


Blablablablabla.

Dirk >>> Amar'e, this season and all-time. Stoudemire didn't even play PF most of this year.

http://i56.tinypic.com/2jfam4y.gif

[branslowski]

Dirk>>Amare

Although I prefer Gasol over them both...

[BankShot]

PROVE to me he is Truly better than Amare

C'mon now.

You can't make a ridiculous request as to PROVE something that can't be proven.

Why don't you PROVE that Amare is better than Dirk.... you can't, can you??

:rolleyes:

[Ariza4three]

Dirk>>Amare

Although I prefer Gasol over them both...

:facepalm :rolleyes:

j/k. Gasol is the best fit for the Lakers since he's a legit post up threat. But individually, Nowitzki is way better than both Amar'e and Gasol.


Blablablablabla.

Dirk >>> Amar'e, this season and all-time. Stoudemire didn't even play PF most of this year.

http://i56.tinypic.com/2jfam4y.gif

OK. The gif made me laugh. I'd rep you if I could.

[branslowski]

:facepalm :rolleyes:

j/k. Gasol is the best fit for the Lakers since he's a legit post up threat. But individually, Nowitzki is way better than both Amar'e and Gasol.





notsureifserious....

[Ariza4three]

notsureifserious....

Serious.

[MELOgamaniac]

Blablablablabla.

Dirk >>> Amar'e, this season and all-time. Stoudemire didn't even play PF most of this year.

http://i56.tinypic.com/2jfam4y.gif


Your mad...you really see all the closet Dirk homo's come out when you question his already suspect nba career

[creepingdeath]

notsureifserious....
I'll remind you of that next time you blame a Laker's loss on Gasol... again. :lol


Your mad...you really see all the closet Dirk homo's come out when you question his already suspect nba career
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/9133/1273965147198.gif (http://img218.imageshack.us/i/1273965147198.gif/)

[branslowski]

I'll remind you of that next time you blame a Laker's loss on Gasol... again. :lol


http://cdn2.knowyourmeme.com/i/000/054/222/original/1273965147198.gif?1276299172

I don't get it?...:confusedshrug:

When Lakers lose, I blame the whole team...As it should be...

[creepingdeath]

I don't get it?...:confusedshrug:

When Lakers lose, I blame the whole team...As it should be...
Then you're the big exception on ISH. :lol

Anyhow, Dirk is clearly the better player compared to Pau, but I think Gasol might be a better fit for LA. On the other hand, the Lakers are big enough to make up for the lack of interior presence and Dirk's scoring abilities and clutchness would surely fit your team.

[Notorious D.M.C]

I find Dirk overrated ..whether its current or alltime ...Tell me ya reason for picking dirk and I will destroy your argument


Go ahead

Come on now. Dirk over Amare all day. Dirk's pretty clutch and his shot is absolutely unguardable. Amare got a nice shot and can dunk and all that but can he carry a team? i don't think so. He was around a 500 team in the EAST without Carmelo

[Notorious D.M.C]

You are right..nobody wants to actually say anything meaning full....

but basically Amare and Dirk stat wise are very much even...When you take a look at their best years..nobody is a clear cut better player ..and when you consider Amare may still have not seen his best years that helps him.

Being a "second option" in Phoenix..and to put up similar #'s to Dirk helps my case..

When you let that soak in...we can talk about resume's and intangibles and compare those next

My point is Dirk is overrated..and i can consider them being even..but most people act like Dirk blows Amare out the water...when he does not

you seem unsure of yourself.

and its not all about stats. I don;t think Amare can carry a team on his own

[no pun intended]

As of now, Nowitzki. When both finish their career, it's definitely Stoudemire.

[creepingdeath]

As of now, Nowitzki. When both finish their career, it's definitely Stoudemire.
:roll:
I'm very eager to see how he can match Dirk's MVP, playoff numbers and his All-NBA selections.

[Myth]

I dont hate Dirk..I just dont see why people rate him so high....F.Y.I.

Amare's midrange jumper is just as deadly now

That is a stretch. Dirk hits his mid-range jumpers while they are contested, while Amare only takes them when they are open.

[DGARAS]

it has always been dirk, and it will always be dirk.

so stfu.

[Myth]

As of now, Nowitzki. When both finish their career, it's definitely Stoudemire.

People will only claim Amare after his career is over because he played for the Knicks.

[Notorious D.M.C]

to me this isn't even a real argument or discussion.

At least have it Durant vs. Carmelo

[Myth]

When you take a look at their best years..nobody is a clear cut better player ..

This isn't exactly "destroying" arguments as you claimed. Looks more like backpedaling to me.

[HorryIsMyMVP]

They are equal for the most part. Offensively they play differently but both still dominant. Dirk just has an edge on the defensive side of the ball.

[ArbitraryWater]

bump

[Smook A.]

Amar'e used to be so good. Injuries just really killed his game