BREAKING NEWS!!! Fukushima reactor exploded!! HOLY SHIT

[Boogaloo]

Just woke up and this is the first thing I see

WOW :eek: :eek: :eek: Just heard on news

Another Chernobyll in the making.??
This is scary folks, RIP and prayers

[Riddler]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_jMeXBn6TQlY/TNzhB9ie4cI/AAAAAAAAATw/qIdiePTTrwo/s1600/BAD-BOYS.jpg

[Boogaloo]

http://sboisse.free.fr/planete/images/chernobyl_fallout.jpg

This was the fallout from the Chernobyl explosion.

[Boogaloo]

BBC: Japan's NHK TV says officials measured the level of radiation at the entrance of the Fukushima-Daiichi plant at 1529 Japanese time. If people are exposed to this level of radiation for an hour they'd receive the same amount of radiation they normally would in a year, the report says.


There are 6 reactors?? one blew up, 3 is of them starting to cook, and the second one having problems with the cooling :eek:

[TootsieRoll]

HOLY SHIT!!






Does that mean........... ZOMBIES? :eek:

[Boogaloo]

HOLY SHIT!!






Does that mean........... ZOMBIES? :eek:


That and no milk and dairy goods for a few months

[Boogaloo]

reports coming in another Tsunami has hit

[Jackass18]

http://l.yimg.com/a/p/us/news/editorial/d/50/d5043e1191255964794522d936923803.jpeg

People in a 12-mile radius have been ordered to evacuate.

[playtetris]

:(

my thoughts are with the people of japan.

[Riddler]

:(

my thoughts are with the people of japan.



those thoughts could be with the people on the West Coast if this $hit is as bad as I think it is.

[Clutch]

Thanks God I'm in Europe.

Radiation all over the world should be increased but I don't think I will be affected.

I'm sorry for all people of Japan.

[BRabbiT]

http://s0.jrnl.ie/media/2011/03/PA-103564911-390x285.jpg




fukc:eek:

[Boogaloo]

(R)euters:
Chief Cabinet Secretary Edano said earlier, which also address some of the questions people are asking:

"The nuclear reactor is surrounded by a steel reactor container, which is then surrounded by a concrete building," Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano said. "The concrete building collapsed. We found out that the reactor container inside didn't explode. We've confirmed that the reactor container was not damaged. The explosion didn't occur inside the reactor container. As such there was no large amount of radiation leakage outside."

:bowdown: :bowdown: :cheers:

:banana: :applause: :applause: :applause:

[Clutch]

(R)euters:
Chief Cabinet Secretary Edano said earlier, which also address some of the questions people are asking:

"The nuclear reactor is surrounded by a steel reactor container, which is then surrounded by a concrete building," Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano said. "The concrete building collapsed. We found out that the reactor container inside didn't explode. We've confirmed that the reactor container was not damaged. The explosion didn't occur inside the reactor container. As such there was no large amount of radiation leakage outside."

:bowdown: :bowdown: :cheers:

:banana: :applause: :applause: :applause:

Don't be so sure it's true.
Everyone wants to cover it up.

[Riddler]

Don't be so sure it's true.
Everyone wants to cover it up.


you want a disaster to happen so you can be entertained... admit it.

[RoseCity07]

Bruh please delete this thread or edit the title. This isn't on the news anywhere.

Good news that this was a false alarm.

[TootsieRoll]

you want a disaster to happen so you can be entertained... admit it.


HAHAAHAHA Proffesor!!! That is so clever!!!

[niko]

Don't be so sure it's true.
Everyone wants to cover it up.
How the **** would you cover it up? another huge explosion would be coming and the main reactor would start leaking. I don't think it's coverable.

[boozehound]

those thoughts could be with the people on the West Coast if this $hit is as bad as I think it is.
well, thankfully, nothing is ever as bad as YOU think it is. I would think you would have learned that by now.

[Riddler]

well, thankfully, nothing is ever as bad as YOU think it is. I would think you would have learned that by now.


except 9/11.

9/11 is way worse than anybody can possibly imagine, including myself.

[Clutch]

you want a disaster to happen so you can be entertained... admit it.

Yeah,everyone would like to see thousands of dead people :facepalm

[Riddler]

Yeah,everyone would like to see thousands of dead people :facepalm

it was a joke... calm down.

[InspiredLebowski]

it was a joke... calm down.HILARIOUS!

Quit drinking idiot.

[Riddler]

HILARIOUS!

Quit drinking idiot.



you can calm the f*ck down also.

[pete's montreux]

you can calm the f*ck down also.

one of the worst natural disasters in the history of modern mankind and you're telling people to calm down after being offended from your inappropriate jokes

i dont even know what to say

i want to tell you how much i wish you were dead, but i dont believe i can convey in words how bad i want that, so it would just fall on deaf ears

[1987_Lakers]

one of the worst natural disasters in the history of modern mankind and you're telling people to calm down after being offended from your inappropriate jokes

i dont even know what to say

i want to tell you how much i wish you were dead, but i dont believe i can convey in words how bad i want that, so it would just fall on deaf ears
:violin:

[Jailblazers7]

This reminds me of the one quote from Mad Men during the Kennedy assasination episode:

Roger: No one else is saying the right thing about this.
Joan: You're really upset.
Roger: What's that about?
Joan: Because there's nothing funny about this.

[pete's montreux]

the us offering all this help is an olive branch

have the japanese ever done something like this for us?

[Lebowsky]

the us offering all this help is an olive branch

have the japanese ever done something like this for us?
When 9/11 happened, for example, I remember the whole world (not particularly Japan, but I'm sure they did too) offering all kinds of help and displaying simpathy and their condolences in all shapes and forms.

[pete's montreux]

When 9/11 happened, for example, I remember the whole world (not particularly Japan, but I'm sure they did too) offering all kinds of help and displaying simpathy and their condolences in all shapes and forms.

I tried very hard to remember. I couldn't think of any specific countries sending anything over. I'll have to Google.

[Patrick Chewing]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_V9sor1SAqSE/Scon_KonphI/AAAAAAAAAvM/xYiSnr1lDVE/s400/the-end-is-near.jpg

[Riddler]

one of the worst natural disasters in the history of modern mankind and you're telling people to calm down after being offended from your inappropriate jokes

i dont even know what to say

i want to tell you how much i wish you were dead, but i dont believe i can convey in words how bad i want that, so it would just fall on deaf ears





Sorry my small joke was offensive... Jesus.

I'll try to be more serious about this.

your right... Lots of people dead... nothing funny about that.



Just seems like it happens all the time to the point that I've become a little a little desensitized.

Just wish innocent muslims in the Middle East got this kind of sympathy when they were getting Bombed to holy hell...
people still joke about war when it's going on every day.

[Bosnian Sajo]

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20110313a1.html

[Riddler]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_V9sor1SAqSE/Scon_KonphI/AAAAAAAAAvM/xYiSnr1lDVE/s400/the-end-is-near.jpg



+1

[rufuspaul]

I tried very hard to remember. I couldn't think of any specific countries sending anything over. I'll have to Google.

I got a nice little saki set with a note saying "too bad about your dead peoples". Didn't you get yours?

[JtotheIzzo]

The f*cking quake moved Japan's coast 8 feet!:eek:

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/12/japan.earthquake.tsunami.earth/index.html?hpt=T2

that's insane.

[gts]

The f*cking quake moved Japan's coast 8 feet!:eek:

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/12/japan.earthquake.tsunami.earth/index.html?hpt=T2

that's insane.i read that also.. crazy. moved the earth on it's axis 4 inches too...

[Meticode]

Japan is reporting that the explosion wasn't the actual reactor, but it was the cooling system for it. The reactor is still intact, but it is still overheating. They're trying to cool it with sea water.

http://www.automatedtrader.net/real-time-news/71494/updatejapan-reactor-did-not-explode-9-500-missing-in-1-town

[Hawker]

Crazy. My ethics professor the other day was talking about nuclear engineers and said, "Ya'll are due for a disaster."

[DeronMillsap]

the us offering all this help is an olive branch

have the japanese ever done something like this for us?
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/dis_hur_kat_int_aid_res-hurricane-katrina-international-aid-response

The Japanese Foreign Ministry has said that it would provide USD 200,000 to the American Red Cross to assist victims of Hurricane Katrina. Japan will also identify needs in affected regions via the U.S. government and will provide up to USD 300,000 in emergency supplies such as tents, blankets and power generators if they receive requests from the U.S. for such assistance. One Japanese individual, Takashi Endo, donated USD 1 million from his personal funds to Katrina relief efforts.

Just because we dont hear about it as much as Americans helping foreigners doesn't mean nobody else is helping us when we needed it.

[GOBB]

What about the other one? 1 explosion + 3 'cooking' + 1 cooling issues = 5

Godzilla ate it

[pete's montreux]

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/dis_hur_kat_int_aid_res-hurricane-katrina-international-aid-response


Just because we dont hear about it as much as Americans helping foreigners doesn't mean nobody else is helping us when we needed it.

I never said anything like that. I literally said I couldn't remember. I Googled and couldn't find anything so thanks for the link.

However sending money isn't the same as sending manpower. So once again, has Japan ever done something like this for us? I'm genuinely interested. It's curiosity more than anything. We have a business relationship with Japan, that's about it. That is why I'm wondering.

[Maniak]

Wait, isnt this supposed to get to BC or whatever? Whats the radius on this supposed to be?

[Meticode]

Wait, isnt this supposed to get to BC or whatever? Whats the radius on this supposed to be?
There is no "this" the reactor is still intact as well as container. The radiation levels in the control room are 1000 times more than normal and the levels are 70 times normal at the front gate of the plant, but it's within control so far. There's no major leak yet.

[DeronMillsap]

I never said anything like that. I literally said I couldn't remember. I Googled and couldn't find anything so thanks for the link.

However sending money isn't the same as sending manpower. So once again, has Japan ever done something like this for us? I'm genuinely interested. It's curiosity more than anything. We have a business relationship with Japan, that's about it. That is why I'm wondering.
Oh my bad...lost in translation. didnt mean to come off as a douche, just wanted to post that link I found through google.

On that list there are other countries who send medical staffers to help out. But yeah, most send out money.

[Maniak]

There is no "this" the reactor is still intact as well as container. The radiation levels in the control room are 1000 times more than normal and the levels are 70 times normal at the front gate of the plant, but it's within control so far. There's no major leak yet.
Oh alright, I didnt read through the whole thread.

[Mr. Grieves]

one of the worst natural disasters in the history of modern mankind and you're telling people to calm down after being offended from your inappropriate jokes

i dont even know what to say

i want to tell you how much i wish you were dead, but i dont believe i can convey in words how bad i want that, so it would just fall on deaf ears

:bowdown:

[pete's montreux]

Oh my bad...lost in translation. didnt mean to come off as a douche, just wanted to post that link I found through google.

On that list there are other countries who send medical staffers to help out. But yeah, most send out money.

nah you didn't come off as anything, i figured you misread me

[DuMa]

http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2011/03/11/ireport.kooi.cracked.japan.quake.cnn?hpt=C2

absolutely amazing. the water seeping in and out is some sight.

[bdreason]

Was this thread started by Wolf Blitzer?

Overreaction at its finest.

[kentatm]

http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2011/03/11/ireport.kooi.cracked.japan.quake.cnn?hpt=C2

absolutely amazing. the water seeping in and out is some sight.

that shit is crazy

[-playmaker-]

http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt73/_primetime_pics/power_plant_simpsons.jpg

damn, that shit is crazy...
sorry pete...

[GOBB]

http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2011/03/11/ireport.kooi.cracked.japan.quake.cnn?hpt=C2

absolutely amazing. the water seeping in and out is some sight.

It was until the guy mentioned that the place was built over...water

[Riddler]

http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt73/_primetime_pics/power_plant_simpsons.jpg

damn, that shit is crazy...
sorry pete...



You've got to stop this...

:roll:


not only did you make me feel like $hit just now for laughing... but I really laughed out loud when I saw that it was Radioactive-Man from the Simpsons.


http://www.ridemaps.com/myblog/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/radioactive-man.png

[Blackisbig]

They've evacuated 140,000 people near two power plants in Japan, because they've issued a red alert in regards to the overheating reactors.

[vapid]

You've got to stop this...

:roll:


not only did you make me feel like $hit just now for laughing... but I really laughed out loud when I saw that it was Radioactive-Man from the Simpsons.



Very astute observation Dooms. Thanks for pointing it out so we can all partake in the joke.

[Riddler]

Very astute observation Dooms. Thanks for pointing it out so we can all partake in the joke.


I couldn't tell who it was at first... looked like Dare Devil... which is not so funny.

Radioactive man = funny.

[-playmaker-]

You've got to stop this...

I think this is going to be my new way of dealing with tragedy...just to try and not be completely bummed...

from 9/11...to Katrina...to the tsunami that killed 200k people...

I couldn't even watch the Haiti earthquake...I didn't even care to pay attention...

I am just sick of feeling crappy...I am all "tragedied out"...

[Meticode]

I am just sick of feeling crappy...I am all "tragedied out"...
I guess that means if the lockout ends you won't be watching the Cowboys huh?

[-playmaker-]

I guess that means if the lockout ends you won't be watching the Cowboys huh?
ZING!

it's funny though, I am honestly sick of them losing too...and trying to find a sense of humor about it rather than being pissed...

last season I was pretty much forced to just laugh at them...

[Riddler]

I think this is going to be my new way of dealing with tragedy...just to try and not be completely bummed...

from 9/11...to Katrina...to the tsunami that killed 200k people...

I couldn't even watch the Haiti earthquake...I didn't even care to pay attention...

I am just sick of feeling crappy...I am all "tragedied out"...


the tragedies that seem to get me the most are the school shootings.
Columbine and VT are just wicked & evil.

[-playmaker-]

the tragedies that seem to get me the most are the school shootings.
Columbine and VT are just wicked & evil.
the White Snake concert vid makes me sick to my stomach...

the worst is when I put myself in the shoes of the 911 jumpers....and I have done that dozens upon dozens of times...I just can't even imagine how horrible that feeling was...I am scared of heights as it is...being forced to jump from THAT HIGH?...I would seriously just see if I could burn to death instead...f*ck jumping that high...that 10 second fall or whatever probably lasted hours for them...

[Meticode]

the White Snake concert vid makes me sick to my stomach...

the worst is when I put myself in the shoes of the 911 jumpers....and I have done that dozens upon dozens of times...I just can't even imagine how horrible that feeling was...I am scared of heights as it is...being forced to jump from THAT HIGH?...I would seriously just see if I could burn to death instead...f*ck jumping that high...that 10 second fall or whatever probably lasted hours for them...
I agree with you on that. I can't imagine the feeling of terror.

[Boogaloo]

Was this thread started by Wolf Blitzer?

Overreaction at its finest.

Nope not overreaction son, there is a real danger this thing could turn out to be the worse Nuclear disaster in history. Jap. now admitting there is a "partial" meltdown in Reactor 1.

and just a short time ago Nuclear Reactor 3 just blew up. :eek:

http://www.oyetimes.com/images/stories/asia/Japan-2ndReactorExplosion.jpg

that looks like a bigger explosion than reactor #1. Also one clip of BBC footage I saw you could see the steam comig out of reactor #3. NOT GOOD!!

Lot of material being thrown up in the air in reactor #3 explosion compared to number 1. This looks like the real deal here.
Hard to imagine containment vessel survived in an explosion like that. I am ****ing speechless...

video of Reactor 3

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/japan/8379995/Japan-earthquake-second-explosion-hits-nuclear-power-plant.html

[Boogaloo]

BREAKING!!!


FLASH: Fuel rods at No. 2 reactor of Fukushima No. 1 nuke plant fully exposed (19:58)

http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/

[QUOTE]
"Inside the plant, according to industry executives and American experts who received briefings over the weekend, there was deep concern [B]that spent nuclear fuel that was kept in a

[rufuspaul]

Nope not overreaction son, there is a real danger this thing could turn out to be the worse Nuclear disaster in history. Jap. now admitting there is a "partial" meltdown in Reactor 1.

and just a short time ago Nuclear Reactor 3 just blew up. :eek:

http://www.oyetimes.com/images/stories/asia/Japan-2ndReactorExplosion.jpg

that looks like a bigger explosion than reactor #1. Also one clip of BBC footage I saw you could see the steam comig out of reactor #3. NOT GOOD!!

Lot of material being thrown up in the air in reactor #3 explosion compared to number 1. This looks like the real deal here.
Hard to imagine containment vessel survived in an explosion like that. I am ****ing speechless...

video of Reactor 3

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/japan/8379995/Japan-earthquake-second-explosion-hits-nuclear-power-plant.html

I might be wrong but I recall that our government didn't admit there was a meltdown at 3 mile island until way after the fact. The fact that our navy vessels are pulling farther away from shore is a very telling and scary sign.

[Boogaloo]

BREAKING!!!

Unconfirmed reports (not heard it from Cnn, Fox ect. yet) is that USS George Washington stationed off the coast of Japan to act as a refueling for rescue helicopters is pulling out of the after sailors got exposed for radiation.

[Riddler]

ONce again... This is what I wake up to???


THAT EXPLOSION LOOKS HUGE!!!!

[Boogaloo]

Prayers to the first responders Technicians, ect. who are trying to contain those reactors

I remember reading about Cheronbyll where they needed to release the water before the core reaches it, and firemen were diving into the radio active pools to get to the release valves.

[Boogaloo]

Looks like Reactor number 2 is cooking also. Just saw report its releasing steam

[Lebron23]

Oh my God!!! God Bless the Japanese people.

[Boogaloo]

BREAKING!!

All three reactors fuel rods melting. All three are experiencing a partial meltdown Jap. authorities says. How "partial" is partial?

If the fuel rods are exposed melt down is pretty much gonna happen.

[SCREWstonRockets]

ZING!

it's funny though, I am honestly sick of them losing too...and trying to find a sense of humor about it rather than being pissed...

last season I was pretty much forced to just laugh at them...
Now you know how texans fans feel! Lol seriously, especially last season, I kept watching for comic relief. :lol

[Boogaloo]

1431: More from Japanese nuclear engineer Masashi Goto: He say that as the reactor uses mox (mixed oxide) fuel, the melting point is lower than that of conventional fuel. Should a meltdown and an explosion occur, he says, plutonium could be spread over an area up to twice as far as estimated for a conventional nuclear fuel explosion. The next 24 hours are critical, he says.


1426: Mr Goto says his greatest fear is that blasts at number 3 and number 1 reactors may have damaged the steel casing of the containment vessel designed to stop radioactive material escaping into the atmosphere. More to follow.

1603: Hong Kong, Malaysia, the Philippines, Singapore and Taiwan are to screen food imported from Japan for radiation, AFP is reporting.

from BBC

[Riddler]

it's happening.



now the question is: Will the MSM downplay how severe this event really is.

We saw how the tried to downplay the BP oil spill.

[Boogaloo]

latest sat photo of reactor 3

http://images.scribblelive.com/2011/3/14/c2b2d559-7506-49eb-8600-0a8a859a563c_500.jpg

notice reactor 1 on the bottom left corner, doesn't look as much damaged as number 3.

[niko]

it's happening.



now the question is: Will the MSM downplay how severe this event really is.

We saw how the tried to downplay the BP oil spill.
If the core melsdown steam with the radiation is going to pour into the air. there is not going to be any downplaying. it won't be a secret.

[Boogaloo]

FU CK!!! its getiing from bad to worse if thats even possible. reports are in high concentration of nuclear materials released from reactor #2

[niko]

"Experts say a disaster on the scale of Chernobyl in the 1980s is highly unlikely because the reactors are built to a higher standard and have much more rigorous safety measures."

From the latest BBC article.

****! ITS NOT AS SERIOUS AS CHERNOBYL! **** ****!

Look, it may get worse but reacting to everything they are doing to try to fix this by OH **** ITS OVER! WORLD IS ENDING! Is stupid.....

[Boogaloo]

"Experts say a disaster on the scale of Chernobyl in the 1980s is highly unlikely because the reactors are built to a higher standard and have much more rigorous safety measures."

From the latest BBC article.

****! ITS NOT AS SERIOUS AS CHERNOBYL! **** ****!

Look, it may get worse but reacting to everything they are doing to try to fix this by OH **** ITS OVER! WORLD IS ENDING! Is stupid.....

its not Chernobyll but its getting there. More like 3 mile right now

and the concern is how did those containment chambers held up after the explosion is the biggest unknown

[Fatal9]

http://www.islandbreath.org/2009Year/2009-08/090810homer.png

[niko]

its not Chernobyll but its getting there. More like 3 mile right now

and the concern is how did those containment chambers held up after the explosion is the biggest unknown

someone posted how the reactors work. you should check it out. it appears the (i am trying to explain something i don't understand at all) reactors in their normal process naturally reduce the heat and reaction if the situation fails, which makes the reactors a ton safer than Chernobyll, which if you read about it was as frightening for the absolute joke that it was in terms of safety as it was for what occured.

again im not saying all will be peachy but i really honestly don't think we are anywhere near the nuclear holocaust.

[Riddler]

Couldn't there be more aftershocks?

that's what I'm worried about.

[TheReturnofCed]

Couldn't there be more aftershocks?

that's what I'm worried about.

Who cares about aftershocks when there will likely be another full blown earthquake right on the triple fault zone.. .bye bye Tokyo

[Clutch]

http://www.islandbreath.org/2009Year/2009-08/090810homer.png
:lol

[D-Wade]

America now on nuclear alert

'Worst-case scenario' could send nuclear cloud across Pacific
30,000ft winds would carry radioactive material across the ocean
U.S.S. Ronald Reagan hit by month's radiation in just one hour
Japanese reactors are very similar to 23 in America


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1366055/Japan-earthquake-tsunami-America-nuclear-alert-Fukushima-explosion.html


They said it could be picked up by powerful 30,000ft winds, carrying the debris across the Pacific and hitting America within four days

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1366055/Japan-earthquake-tsunami-America-nuclear-alert-Fukushima-explosion.html#ixzz1Gc1yFQls

[TheReturnofCed]

F*ckin idiots building their cities and nuke plants right on the coast in a fault zone and now they're gonna be spreading their radiation all over the US

[Jasper]

Couldn't there be more aftershocks?

that's what I'm worried about.

There has been 100's of them since the big one. today there was a mild 6.2 and it will continue until the earth settles.

Even though Tokyo is something like 150 km away .. you have to wonder what the typical fall out range is ??
Most winds (trade winds) come from bodys of water , and flow inland.
But Japan being an island could hopefully have trade winds that flow out to sea.

Who knows maybe it will flow to North korea :rolleyes:

[D-Wade]

Breaking news!

Blast just heard at the number 2 reactor

[RaininThrees]

Breaking news!

Blast just heard at the number 2 reactor

Yep.

Explosion may be more severe than previous incidents; containment vessel possibly damaged - nytimes http://nyti.ms/ecVU4i

[Lebowsky]

Yep.

Explosion may be more severe than previous incidents; containment vessel possibly damaged - nytimes http://nyti.ms/ecVU4i
May? Possibly? That's really like saying nothing at all. All speculation and vagueness. Man I hate the media.

[niko]

May? Possibly? That's really like saying nothing at all. All speculation and vagueness. Man I hate the media.
The people nearby, ridiculously enough, are getting the same vaguie information I have heard. Amazing...

[Lebowsky]

The people nearby, ridiculously enough, are getting the same vaguie information I have heard. Amazing...

What?

[Meticode]

Radiation levels are rising near the reactor and now there's reported fires in the 4th reactor, which up until this point wasn't talked about. All the happenings were with reactors 1, 2 and 3, and now the 4th has fire...

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapc...pt=T1&iref=BN1

[DuMa]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12741133

radiation levels now high enough to affect human health.

[rufuspaul]

http://www.libertarianpunk.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/when_the_shit_hits_the_fan_3215952.jpg

[rufuspaul]

from yahoo:



Radiation levels in the city of Maebashi, 100 km (60 miles) north of Tokyo, and in Chiba prefecture, nearer the city, were up to 10 times normal levels, Kyodo news agency said. Foreign experts disagreed on whether this was harmful or not.

:eek:

As my feeble mind understands this, these reactors are melting down because of the failure of back-up diesel generators. I wonder why the engineers who designed the reactors didn't factor in such a scenario.

[niko]

What?
The people in Fukushima haven't been told shit. THey were told to evecuate, not told how far to go, not told what worst case could be, what the explosions meant, etc. The same level of vague info we have, they have.

[niko]

from yahoo:


:eek:

As my feeble mind understands this, these reactors are melting down because of the failure of back-up diesel generators. I wonder why the engineers who designed the reactors didn't factor in such a scenario.
Because the backup was supposed to be scenario 3 (backup 3) and after backup 3 the water wasn't supposed to be filtering out due to failsafes 1,2,3 and 4 not working.

[Lebowsky]

The people in Fukushima haven't been told shit. THey were told to evecuate, not told how far to go, not told what worst case could be, what the explosions meant, etc. The same level of vague info we have, they have.

Then that's ****ing unacceptable. I understand the authorities must be trying hard not to spread panic in the country, but those directly affected should at least know what the situation is.

[Nick Young]

The people in Fukushima haven't been told shit. THey were told to evecuate, not told how far to go, not told what worst case could be, what the explosions meant, etc. The same level of vague info we have, they have.
Governments are like that all over the world when it comes to radiation, even today in my hometown of Chatsworth California, a part of LA county, 3 years ago they shut down a local park because they said they found "bullets on the ground."

Bullshit, its because the barrels of nuclear waste they had buried in the mountains up there started leaking and seeping into the soil so the whole park is some radioactive disaster, the whole thing is just fenced off for good now and the reason according to the guards is still that "they found bullets in the ground and dont want little kids to play with them"

Will this radiation go all the way to california?

[rufuspaul]

Will this radiation go all the way to california?

Depends on the amount of radiation released and the weather patterns. The fact that our navy can detect radiation 100 miles off shore is not a good sign.

[rufuspaul]

Now a level 6 catastrophe.

www.msn.com (http://www.msn.com)

[QUOTE]
SOMA, Japan

[JtotheIzzo]

great occupational anagram.

Gilbert got fired T.

edit: wrong thread

[niko]

Governments are like that all over the world when it comes to radiation, even today in my hometown of Chatsworth California, a part of LA county, 3 years ago they shut down a local park because they said they found "bullets on the ground."

Bullshit, its because the barrels of nuclear waste they had buried in the mountains up there started leaking and seeping into the soil so the whole park is some radioactive disaster, the whole thing is just fenced off for good now and the reason according to the guards is still that "they found bullets in the ground and dont want little kids to play with them"

Will this radiation go all the way to california?
they said the half life of the isotope released is 8 seconds. it's not possible. You'd need a catastrophic event on top of what already happened where an enormous amout of radiation is released. the way its currently seeping, 100% no.

[boozehound]

Here is an interesting interview from democracy now. Very interesting points about the US regulations and the lack of followthrough on whistleblowing.

http://www.yesmagazine.org/planet/reevaluating-the-risks-of-nuclear-power-after-japan?utm_source=fb&utm_medium=socmed&utm_content=DemocracyNow_NuclearPower&utm_campaign=110314_Planet

[boozehound]

they said the half life of the isotope released is 8 seconds. it's not possible. You'd need a catastrophic event on top of what already happened where an enormous amout of radiation is released. the way its currently seeping, 100% no.
not sure where you got that from, but here is a list of half lives for radioactive elements
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_isotopes_by_half-life

Nothing really has a half life of 8 seconds. Lithium has a half life of 0.8 seconds. but cesium and the other metals used in nuclear energy (mostly uranium and plutonium in MOX) have extremely long half lives regardless of the isotopic form.

[niko]

not sure where you got that from, but here is a list of half lives for radioactive elements
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_isotopes_by_half-life

Nothing really has a half life of 8 seconds. Lithium has a half life of 0.8 seconds. but cesium and the other metals used in nuclear energy (mostly uranium and plutonium in MOX) have extremely long half lives regardless of the isotopic form.
maybe it was 0.8? i was listening on CNN. Basically though the point was it wasn't going to be around long enough to travel in the air to te west coast. take as you will.

[boozehound]

maybe it was 0.8? i was listening on CNN. Basically though the point was it wasn't going to be around long enough to travel in the air to te west coast. take as you will.
yeah, actually, some of the unstable isotopes of cesium are in that range now that I dig a little deeper. Not sure how many of the various cesium isotopes are produced in uranium fission, but it definitely includes some of the very long lived ones. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caesium#Isotopes

Lets hope you are right.

[TheReturnofCed]

maybe it was 0.8? i was listening on CNN. Basically though the point was it wasn't going to be around long enough to travel in the air to te west coast. take as you will.

That's all based on the assumption that things aren't going to get any worse. But when there's only a small crew left behind on a suicide mission to stabilize things, it makes you wonder whether that will really be the case.

[niko]

yeah, actually, some of the unstable isotopes of cesium are in that range now that I dig a little deeper. Not sure how many of the various cesium isotopes are produced in uranium fission, but it definitely includes some of the very long lived ones. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caesium#Isotopes

Lets hope you are right.
One of the experts who worked on the reactors said of the situation that he doesn't think he's seen one accurate news report based on what he knows of the science of the reactor. he tended to lean toward the situation being less bad than people think so i hope he's right, but that statement makes me doubt everything.

[niko]

That's all based on the assumption that things aren't going to get any worse. But when there's only a small crew left behind on a suicide mission to stabilize things, it makes you wonder whether that will really be the case.
there could be another tsunami. a ****ing plant in the US could explode tomorrow. who knows? But are we supposed to answer qusetions based on worst case scenario based on speculating or what we hear as current situation?

[TheReturnofCed]

there could be another tsunami. a ****ing plant in the US could explode tomorrow. who knows? But are we supposed to answer qusetions based on worst case scenario based on speculating or what we hear as current situation?

In this case the seeds of a larger threat have been planted. It's not comparable to another random occurrence like a tsunami. The containment chambers can still be melted through. It's not something to be taken lightly and even you have said nobody really knows what is going on.

[boozehound]

there could be another tsunami. a ****ing plant in the US could explode tomorrow. who knows? But are we supposed to answer qusetions based on worst case scenario based on speculating or what we hear as current situation?
while I understand your point, this situation could get much worse without any further external impact. It sounds like the rods are still exposed and the various cooling systems (of both the reactors and the waste ponds) are down and have no real chance to get back online without seriously exposing some people to radiation. This is an ongoing event that is impossible to predict the end outcome, as it remains unclear if the seawater and boric acid (sounds like its untested) will cool the rods quick enough.

[STATUTORY]

while I understand your point, this situation could get much worse without any further external impact. It sounds like the rods are still exposed and the various cooling systems (of both the reactors and the waste ponds) are down and have no real chance to get back online without seriously exposing some people to radiation. This is an ongoing event that is impossible to predict the end outcome, as it remains unclear if the seawater and boric acid (sounds like its untested) will cool the rods quick enough.

what do you think is the potential repurcussions in Japan and here is that happnes? what exactly is the result of exposure to radiation and how long will it be before the land is inhabitable again? will there be mutants and shit?

[Is He Ill]

maybe it was 0.8? i was listening on CNN. Basically though the point was it wasn't going to be around long enough to travel in the air to te west coast. take as you will.

Yeah, I saw that as well. I hope it's true.

[Funnyfuka]

what do you think is the potential repurcussions in Japan and here is that happnes? what exactly is the result of exposure to radiation and how long will it be before the land is inhabitable again? will there be mutants and shit?
there would be a massive exode of japanese and the whole island would become a nogo zone imo.
There are no mutants, it's not a video game. You do not mutate when you re exposed to radioactivy, you die.

[rufuspaul]

there would be a massive exode of japanese and the whole island would become a nogo zone imo.
There are no mutants, it's not a video game. You do not mutate when you re exposed to radioactivy, you die.

The Japanese know all too well the effects of radiation.

http://library.thinkquest.org/3471/radiation_effects_body.html



Major Radiation Exposure in Real Life Events

Hiroshima and Nagasaki

For more information on what happened at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, consult the nuclear past page (http://library.thinkquest.org/3471/past.html) and the nuclear warfare page (http://library.thinkquest.org/3471/nuclear_warfare.html).
Many people at Hiroshima and Nagasaki died not directly from the actual explosion, but from the radiation released as a result of the explosion. For example, a fourteen-year-old boy was admitted to a Hiroshima hospital two days after the explosion, suffering from a high fever and nausea. Nine days later his hair began to fall out. His supply of white blood cells dropped lower and lower. On the seventeenth day he began to bleed from his nose, and on the twenty-first day he died.
At Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the few surviving doctors observed symptoms of radiation sickness for the first time. In his book Nagasaki 1945, Dr. Tatsuichiro Akizuki wrote of the puzzling, unknown disease, of symptoms that "suddenly appeared in certain patients with no apparent injuries." Several days after the bombs exploded, doctors learned that they were treating the effects of radiation exposure. "We were now able to label our unknown adversary 'atomic disease' or 'radioactive contamination' among other names. But they were only labels: we knew nothing about its cause or cure... Within seven to ten days after the A-bomb explosion, people began to die in swift succession. They died of the burns that covered their bodies and of acute atomic disease. Innumerable people who had been burnt turned a mulberry color, like worms, and died... The disease," wrote Dr. Akizuki, "destroyed them little by little. As a doctor, I was forced to face the slow and certain deaths of my patients."
Doctors and nurses had no idea of how their own bodies had been affected by radioactivity. Dr. Akizuki wrote, "All of us suffered from diarrhea and a discharge of blood from the gums, but we kept this to ourselves. Each of us thought: tomorrow it might be me... We became stricken with fear of the future." Dr. Akizuki survived, as did several hundred thousand others in or near Hiroshima and Nagasaki. In fact, at least ten people who had fled from Hiroshima to Nagasaki survived both bombs.
The survivors have suffered physically from cataracts, leukemia and other cancers, malformed offspring, and premature aging, and also emotionally, from social discrimination. Within a few months of the nuclear explosions, leukemia began to appear among the survivors at an abnormally high rate. Some leukemia victims were fetuses within their mothers' wombs when exposed to radiation. One child who was born two days after the Hiroshima explosion eventually died of acute leukemia at the age of eighteen. The number of leukemia cases has declined with time, but the incidence of lung cancer, thyroid cancer, breast cancer, and cancers of other organs has increased among the survivors.
Three Mile Island

For more information on what happened at Three Mile Island, consult the nuclear past page (http://library.thinkquest.org/3471/TMI.html).
On a Wednesday morning, maintenance workers cleaning sludge from a small pipe blocked the flow of water in the main feedwater system of a reactor at Three Mile Island near Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. The sift foreman heard "loud, thunderous noises, like a couple of freight trains," coming. Since the reactor was still producing heat, it heated the blocked cooling water around its core hot enough to create enough pressure to have popped a relief valve. Some 220 gallons of water per minute began flowing out of the reactor vessel. Within five minutes after the main feedwater system failed, the reactor, deprived of all normal and emergency sources of cooling water, and no longer able to use its enormous energy to generate electricity, gradually started to tear itself apart.
The loss of coolant at the reactor continued for some 16 hours. Abort a third of the core melted down. Radioactive water flowed through the stuck relief valve into an auxiliary building, where it pooled on the floor. Radioactive gas was released into the atmosphere. An estimated 140,000 people were evacuated from the area. It took a month to stabilize the malfunctioning unit and safely shut it down. The reactor was a total loss and the cleanup required years of repair and hundreds of millions of dollars.
No one was reported injured and the little radiation that leaked out was quickly dispersed. Although this accident did cost lots of money and time, no one was hurt.
Chernobyl

For more information on what happened at Chernobyl, consult the nuclear past page (http://library.thinkquest.org/3471/Chernobyl.html).
A far more serious accident occured at Chernobyl, in what was then still the Soviet Union. At the time of the accident, the Chernobyl nuclear power station consisted of four operating 1,000 megawatt power reactors. Without question, the accident at Chernobyl was the result of a fatal combination of ignorance and complacency. "As members of a select scientific panel convened immediately after the... accident," writes Nobel laureate Hans Bethe, "my colleagues and I established that the Chernobyl disaster tells us about the deficiencies of the Soviet political and administrative system rather than about problems with nuclear power."
Although the problem at Chernobyl was relatively complex, it can basically be summarized as a mismanaged electrical engineering experiment which resulted in the reactor exploding. The explosion was chemical, driven by gases and steam generated by the core runaway, not by nuclear reactions. Flames, sparks, and chunks of burning material were flying into the air above the unit. These were red-hot pieces of nuclear fuel and graphite. About 50 tons of nuclear fuel evaporated and were released by the explosion into the atmosphere. In addition, about 70 tons were ejected sideways from the periphery of the core. Some 50 tons of nuclear fuel and 800 tons of reactor graphite remained in the reactor vault, where it formed a pit reminiscent of a volcanic crater as the graphite still in the reactor had turned up completely in a few days after the explosion.
The resulting radioactive release was equivalent to ten Hiroshimas. In fact, since the Hiroshima bomb was air-burst--no part of the fireball touched the ground--the Chernobyl release polluted the countryside much more than ten Hiroshimas would have done. Many people died from the explosion and even more from the effects of the radiation later. Still today, people are dying from the radiation caused by the Chernobyl accident. The estimated total number of deaths will be 16,000.Medical Treatment

For a more in-depth view of current medical technologies available to the treatment of radiation, go to the medical imaging page (http://library.thinkquest.org/3471/medical_imaging.html).
There is currently no effective medical treatment available for potentially fatal radiation doses. The case of the Japanese boy mentioned above illustrates an important fact about radiation sickness. The boy had probably received a dose of 450 rems or more, yet his symptoms were about the same as those of a person who received about 300 rems. Medical science has no way of telling the difference between people who have received fatal doses and will die despite all efforts and others who received less radiation and can be saved. Treatment for the ones that can be saved includes blood transfusions and bone-marrow transplants. Bone-marrow transplants rejuvenate the supply of white blood cells which was affected by the radiation.

[RidonKs]

on a similar note to that Rufus, this is a little photo essay (http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/03/14/land_of_disaster) i stumbled across about Japan's coping mechanisms throughout its history of catastrophe, from earthquakes to volcanic eruptions to nuclear warfare. there's always a great deal of retrospection and reflection, but it tends to be from a distance and through a second hand lens that doesn't necessarily inflict the pain that first hand association might; ex's: godzilla, manga, allegorical poetry, etc.



additionally and on a totally different note, here's interesting chart of current nuclear production throughout the world (http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/reactors.html). the US obviously heads the field, followed not so closely by Russia, France (surprisingly second in total output), Japan, Germany, and oddly, South Korea. but China is on the up and up, with almost three times as many reactors as anybody else both currently under construction and in currently in planning stages, and more than any other country in terms of prospective proposals as well. India seems to be the other dark horse.

[rufuspaul]

on a similar note to that Rufus, this is a little photo essay (http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/03/14/land_of_disaster) i stumbled across about Japan's coping mechanisms throughout its history of catastrophe, from earthquakes to volcanic eruptions to nuclear warfare. there's always a great deal of retrospection and reflection, but it tends to be from a distance and through a second hand lens that doesn't necessarily inflict the pain that first hand association might; ex's: godzilla, manga, allegorical poetry, etc.

Yeah I've seen that before. Fascinating.




additionally and on a totally different note, here's interesting chart of current nuclear production throughout the world (http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/reactors.html). the US obviously heads the field, followed not so closely by Russia, France (surprisingly second in total output), Japan, Germany, and oddly, South Korea. but China is on the up and up, with almost three times as many reactors as anybody else both currently under construction and in currently in planning stages, and more than any other country in terms of prospective proposals as well. India seems to be the other dark horse.

That's not so encouraging.

[Riddler]

would it not be karma for all of Japans radiation to drift to the West Coast?

Karma if it happens:confusedshrug:

[JtotheIzzo]

would it not be karma for all of Japans radiation to drift to the West Coast?

Karma if it happens:confusedshrug:

Karma is hippy BS, don't you think if there was any Karma, all your Illuminati pals would be getting broomhandled in jail?

[Riddler]

Karma is hippy BS, don't you think if there was any Karma, all your Illuminati pals would be getting broomhandled in jail?

they are gonna get broomhandled in hell.

that's how karma works in that situation.

[RidonKs]

would it not be karma for all of Japans radiation to drift to the West Coast?

Karma if it happens:confusedshrug:
you're the second most egocentric self-absorbed isolated sheltered loon, next to Ms Palin. quit trying to refocus the attention on your own country. if you really care about the issue, deal with the issue. not some freakshow side experiment bullsh*t carried about by a bunch of tinfoil schizoids.

[JtotheIzzo]

they are gonna get broomhandled in hell.

that's how karma works in that situation.


Hell:lol

[Is He Ill]

Hell:lol
:oldlol:

[boozehound]

No hell in Buddhism mang.
dont expect him to actually understand the concept of karma. it is used in pop culture without any understanding of its actual meaning, so why would you expect him to use it differently. or that karma is really contradictory to faith and cannot be conjoined with a belief in JC as the lord and savior.

[Riddler]

dont expect him to actually understand the concept of karma. it is used in pop culture without any understanding of its actual meaning, so why would you expect him to use it differently. or that karma is really contradictory to faith and cannot be conjoined with a belief in JC as the lord and savior.


karma = this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOrnUquxtwA)

[rufuspaul]

No hell in Buddhism mang.

No self either, at least as a goal. Don't expect Dooms to go for that either.

[Riddler]

No self either, at least as a goal. Don't expect Dooms to go for that either.

Maitreya
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maitreya


Maitreya (Sanskrit), Metteyya (Pāli), or Jampa (Tibetan), is a future Buddha of this world in Buddhist eschatology. In some Buddhist literature, such as the Amitabha Sutra and the Lotus Sutra, he is referred to as Ajita Bodhisattva.
Maitreya is a bodhisattva who in the Buddhist tradition is to appear on Earth, achieve complete enlightenment, and teach the pure dharma. According to scriptures, Maitreya will be a successor of the historic Śākyamuni Buddha. The prophecy of the arrival of Maitreya references a time when Dharma will be forgotten on Jambudvipa. It is found in the canonical literature of all Buddhist sects (Theravāda, Mahāyāna, Vajrayāna), and is accepted by most Buddhists as a statement about an event that will take place when Dharma will be forgotten on Earth.


and why do you guys bash Christianity?

[boozehound]

Have you ever read Siddhartha?

Same question goes for anyone else.
yes, although its pretty clearly not based in reality.

[boozehound]

Maitreya
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maitreya




and why do you guys bash Christianity?
no one bashed christianity. Just pointing out that karma precludes any notion of absolving responsibility for your actions through accepting jesus as your savior.

Rather than try and stretch some other aspect of Buddhism (which karma predates btw) to your belief, why dont you look up Karma and see how its incompatible with the absolution of your sins/actions.

[boozehound]

Oh yeah of course it's not reality, but I enjoyed it quite a bit. My parents have always had Buddhistic tendencies, and my dad lived in Tibet for 6 years, so it rubbed off on me. If I had to choose any religion to actually subscribe to, that would be it. I'm interested in ascetic buddhism as well, but there's only a certain limit that I could withstand if I actually became one.
thats pretty cool. I certainly didnt grow up with it, but there is something appealing about Buddhism and its relative simplicity of both belief and action.

[Riddler]

no one bashed christianity. Just pointing out that karma precludes any notion of absolving responsibility for your actions through accepting jesus as your savior.

Rather than try and stretch some other aspect of Buddhism (which karma predates btw) to your belief, why dont you look up Karma and see how its incompatible with the absolution of your sins/actions.


I thought the Bible was clear on : You Reap what you Sow.

which would be Karma in my book.

[Riddler]

CNN Commercial (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FvA6BbMeb0&feature=related)



yep... sounds like the anti-christ to me.

[boozehound]

I thought the Bible was clear on : You Reap what you Sow.

which would be Karma in my book.
the new testament supersedes that. and what does that say? That you can find your place in heaven regardless of your actions by accepting Christ's love. That is not compatible with Karma. If you believe the way to heaven (or reincarnation as a higher being, etc) is through accepting X as your savior, then you cannot also believe in karma. its just that simple.

[Lebowsky]

Have you ever read Siddhartha?

Same question goes for anyone else.

I haven't, but I've read Demian, and Hesse's notion of god is deep and fascinating (I don't mean he developed it), certainly one I could maybe subscribe to.

[RidonKs]

the new testament supersedes that. and what does that say? That you can find your place in heaven regardless of your actions by accepting Christ's love. That is not compatible with Karma. If you believe the way to heaven (or reincarnation as a higher being, etc) is through accepting X as your savior, then you cannot also believe in karma. its just that simple.
a strange part about Jesus washing away sins is that it's entirely time dependent. as long as you accept Christ as your savior -- in time -- you're relieved of any punishment. obviously that acceptance has to be genuine, but it seems odd that the rest of your sinning life, which might have very well made up the bulk, becomes inconsequential in determining your everlasting fate. especially because Jesus, God, and that other thing that makes up the super holy threesome or whatever are supposed to supersede time entirely. yet in determining the eternal fate of a human being in a timeless metaphysical realm, time is literally all that matters. hmmm.

[Riddler]

a strange part about Jesus washing away sins is that it's entirely time dependent. as long as you accept Christ as your savior -- in time -- you're relieved of any punishment. obviously that acceptance has to be genuine, but it seems odd that the rest of your sinning life, which might have very well made up the bulk, becomes inconsequential in determining your everlasting fate. especially because Jesus, God, and that other thing that makes up the super holy threesome or whatever are supposed to supersede time entirely. yet in determining the eternal fate of a human being in a timeless metaphysical realm, time is literally all that matters. hmmm.


BREAKING NEWS!!! Fukushima reactor exploded!! HOLY SHIT


Let's try to get back to the real important issue^

any updates?



(we can take our religous conversation to another thread)

[gts]

Oh yeah of course it's not reality, but I enjoyed it quite a bit. My parents have always had Buddhistic tendencies, and my dad lived in Tibet for 6 years, so it rubbed off on me. If I had to choose any religion to actually subscribe to, that would be it. I'm interested in ascetic buddhism as well, but there's only a certain limit that I could withstand if I actually became one.
my wife is buddhist (malaysian chinese) so i'm exposed to it on a daily basis...

i do find it fascinating...

as for hell the buddhist don't but the chinese do so it's an interesting thing when she sentences me to one of the 18 levels of hell...lol

[boozehound]

dont know if it was posted, but there was another explosion today and now a total of 4 reactors are ****ed.
http://www.npr.org/2011/03/15/134568383/japan-three-mile-island-chernobyl-putting-it-all-in-perspective

[boozehound]

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[boozehound]

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[boozehound]

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[boozehound]

I thought the above tract might help explain to riddler why karma is incompatible with Christianity.

[gts]

the handful that have stayed backed to battle the reactors need statues in their honor someday... each one of them has basically said "f*ck it, if i'm going to go, today is a good day to die"

hope their efforts are rewarded with success

[boozehound]

the handful that have stayed backed to battle the reactors need statues in their honor someday... each one of them has basically said "f*ck it, if i'm going to go, today is a good day to die"

hope their efforts are rewarded with success
yep. lets hope their sacrifice is not in vain. I havent seen any real update since this morning.

[gts]

yep. lets hope their sacrifice is not in vain. I havent seen any real update since this morning.was watching the news awhile ago it's not looking good.. reports are sketchy and some contradict the other but it's just one problem stacked on top of another... things that were working are now failing

[gts]

yep. lets hope their sacrifice is not in vain. I havent seen any real update since this morning.was watching the news awhile ago it's not looking good.. reports are sketchy and some contradict the other but it's just one problem stacked on top of another... things that were working are now failing

[Riddler]

I thought the above tract might help explain to riddler why karma is incompatible with Christianity.


The Bible contradicts it's self many times.

Then Jesus said, "Father forgive them, for they know not what they do".
Luke 23:34


That's really all you need to know from that book^




I'm sure in some way, God, the Father, eventually Forgives all... but watch out for that Mark of the Beast... might not be able to get saved if you take that mark.


And speaking of Church... Church is not suppose to be a building... but it's the human temple.

[Riddler]

a couple of questions I'd like to ask you about this..

1. would not the, forgive them father they know not what they do, still apply here?

2. in the book preceding where it talks about the mark of the beast it metions that the hand is represenative of a mans work and that his forehead his represenative of thinking. Then in the next book it talks about the mark of the beast and says that you will recieve the mark on your hand and or your forehead. What is your take on this?


Let's just hope that God has the power to forgive the Devil... and his light will shine over EVERYTHING!!!

you can interpret Revelations how ever you wish... for all I know that book was written by a bunch of Masons.

[boozehound]

another fire at unit 4.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42084187/ns/world_news-asiapacific?GT1=43001

[Fatal9]

solar stocks = profit right now brahs in light of this nuclear meltdown, might be too late to jump now (i am selling tomorrow, up 3k, but the worse this gets the higher they are gonna go in the short term). EVERY other sector is down.

http://i56.tinypic.com/fmhxk6.jpg

just fyi if you have money to invest and want to make quick $$ off this. i feel bad about the situation and all but not going to turn down easy money.

[Riddler]

solar stocks = profit right now brahs in light of this nuclear meltdown, might be too late to jump now (i am selling tomorrow, up 3k, but the worse this gets the higher they are gonna go in the short term). EVERY other sector is down.

http://i56.tinypic.com/fmhxk6.jpg

just fyi if you have money to invest and want to make quick $$ off this. i feel bad about the situation and all but not going to turn down easy money.



Wow... good call

[Heilige]

The Bible contradicts it's self many times.

Then Jesus said, "Father forgive them, for they know not what they do".
Luke 23:34


That's really all you need to know from that book^




I'm sure in some way, God, the Father, eventually Forgives all... but watch out for that Mark of the Beast... might not be able to get saved if you take that mark.


And speaking of Church... Church is not suppose to be a building... but it's the human temple.


What do you think is the Mark of the Beast?

[Riddler]

What do you think is the Mark of the Beast?


something to do with the WWW and VISA... and a mixture of IBM, microsoft, and apple.

don't ever let these corporations chip you... because it won't be something
that is forced... it will be something you will WANT TO DO to survive.

[Skywalker]

something to do with the WWW and VISA... and a mixture of IBM, microsoft, and apple.

don't ever let these corporations chip you... because it won't be something
that is forced... it will be something you will WANT TO DO to survive.

u freakin me out tonight mannn

[Boogaloo]

Breaking News!!

ALL plant workers evac. because radiation levels are too high. If that means the brave volunteers that stayed to try to contain the reactors were evac. then the situation is pretty much hopeless, nobody is left to stabilized the reactors and prevent meltdown.

another worrying sign is S. Korea is sending boron to Japan.

http://img859.imageshack.us/img859/4304/file43193517def2b47f.jpg
most recent image of reactor 3-4. The dude that took this must have some balls to be that close and exposed to radiation.

[Stuckey]

let us pray even if you dont believe in praying

[oh the horror]

So if this is indeed all going down....shit has officially hit the fan right?

[Boogaloo]

So if this is indeed all going down....shit has officially hit the fan right?

Nobody knows for sure. But it aint looking pretty

[Rolando]

They tried using helicopters to dump water and boron in. But that was just called off too. Shit is going to meltdown soon.

[niko]

They tried using helicopters to dump water and boron in. But that was just called off too. Shit is going to meltdown soon.
Instead they are sending the water in via trucks, because they thought dumping it from the sky would be to uncontrolled. Less sexy a story than "EVERYTHING WAS CALLED OFF" i know.

[Nick Young]

I never took chemistry, what happens when the plant meltdowns?

[niko]

I never took chemistry, what happens when the plant meltdowns?
Apparently Japan becomes an uninhabitable nuclear wasteland right? Didn't you post that in your other thread?

[STATUTORY]

I never took chemistry, what happens when the plant meltdowns?

something between Fallout 3 and Cloverfield I think

[Nick Young]

Apparently Japan becomes an uninhabitable nuclear wasteland right? Didn't you post that in your other thread?
calm down ******, stop taking ignorance about nuclear science as a personal insult.

[niko]

calm down ******, stop taking ignorance about nuclear science as a personal insult.
you are trolling for a reaction. for some reason you think posting worst case scenarios which in real life would affect millions of people is funny. you are a ****ing retard. and because you are not getting enough reaction, your started another thread. and because that won't get enough reaction, you'll find something to start ANOTHER thread.

speculating the entire island of japan will be come unlivable is you just being a dick. sorry.

[Nick Young]

you are trolling for a reaction. for some reason you think posting worst case scenarios which in real life would affect millions of people is funny. you are a ****ing retard. and because you are not getting enough reaction, your started another thread. and because that won't get enough reaction, you'll find something to start ANOTHER thread.

speculating the entire island of japan will be come unlivable is you just being a dick. sorry.
Im not trolling you ******. Stop taking things so personally.

People just kept saying a meltdown was about to happen so I asked what a meltdown would mean and what happens during a meltdown. Then you got butthurt and whiny.

The only reaction I wanted was for someone to explain what would happen to Japan if the reactor melted down.

[niko]

Im not trolling you ******. Stop taking things so personally.

People just kept saying a meltdown was about to happen so I asked what a meltdown would mean and what happens during a meltdown. Then you got butthurt and whiny.

The only reaction I wanted was for someone to explain what would happen to Japan if the reactor melted down.

No, you said where would EVERY SINGLE person in japan go because apparently this disaster would for some reason be bigger than it's even physically capable of being. There is not one report that would suggest anything that the entire island of japan would be inhabitable. Yet, that is your conclusion to the point you are talking about what will happen after that.

You're either trolling or a ****ing idiot and i'm done with you. Sorry, no more of my time. 12 yr olds who giggle because they find a way to cleverly make fun of people dying aren't worth any more of my time. Don't think what you do is not transparent.

[Nick Young]

No, you said where would EVERY SINGLE person in japan go because apparently this disaster would for some reason be bigger than it's even physically capable of being. There is not one report that would suggest anything that the entire island of japan would be inhabitable. Yet, that is your conclusion to the point you are talking about what will happen after that.

You're either trolling or a ****ing idiot and i'm done with you. Sorry, no more of my time. 12 yr olds who giggle because they find a way to cleverly make fun of people dying aren't worth any more of my time. Don't think what you do is not transparent.
Quote where I said "where would every single person go"

I never said that you clown. You are imagining things.

Even if like 10% of Japan had to evacuate that is still millions and millions and millions of people, I was just asking more informed people than I where they thought the Japanese would go if that had to happen.

Also how is any of this stuff funny to you? Where do you see the humor, in either my posts or whats actually happening, because I dont see it.

Why are you acting so butthurt and ******y today? This Japan stuff isn't something to troll about and get into stupid e-battles about. I just want to learn what could happen if things keep getting worse.

[strifed169]

I never took chemistry, what happens when the plant meltdowns?

http://www.planbox.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/roundhouse-kickoff-chuck-norris.jpg
a chuck norris is born

see chernobyl

[RaininThrees]

Quote where I said "where would every single person go"




If Japan becomes an unlivable nuclear wasteland, where will all the japanese go?

You didn't qualify anything, noting a specific area. You just said "If Japan". That implies the whole island. "all the japanese" then implies ALL the Japanese people.

[Is He Ill]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/world/japan-nuclear-reactors-and-seismic-activity/?hpid=topnews
I guess this is an updated graphic. Damn, if a zirconium fire occurs, the radiation at the plant will be thousands of times higher than it currently is. :(

[Nick Young]

You didn't qualify anything, noting a specific area. You just said "If Japan". That implies the whole island. "all the japanese" then implies ALL the Japanese people.
If you make assumptions it makes an ass out of you

[niko]

If you make assumptions it makes an ass out of you
if you can't type coherent sentences it makes you a retard.

[Rolando]

Instead they are sending the water in via trucks, because they thought dumping it from the sky would be to uncontrolled. Less sexy a story than "EVERYTHING WAS CALLED OFF" i know.

you are a moron.

[niko]

you are a moron.
oh fudge off. the person implied they called off the helicopter because they were giving up, they were not,they just decided to use trucks instead.

[Rolando]

oh fudge off. the person implied they called off the helicopter because they were giving up, they were not,they just decided to use trucks instead.

That's right, they are not giving up. They called off the helicopters because the radiation level was too dangerous. Instead they are using water cannons that are normally used against rioters. To me, this seems to be a bit of a desperate act.

In any case I wish our Japanese brothers all the best....I hope they win this battle.

[Is He Ill]

Now they are saying on CNN that there might have been a hydrogen explosion in one of the reactors and the secondary containment has been destroyed. The fuel rods may not be covered with water. I don't know what that means.

[HeavyMetal]

Now they are saying on CNN that there might have been a hydrogen explosion in one of the reactors and the secondary containment has been destroyed. The fuel rods may not be covered with water. I don't know what that means.

I believe that they are talking about the spent fuel rods in the secondary containment area (basically a huge swimming pool) where the old fuel is stored for it to 'cool down'. Since this is an older plant that was built in the 60's, this spent fuel is stored within the reactor building itself. Most Nuclear plants, including the one I've worked at, store their spent fuel in a seperate building.

Usually these spent fuel rods are stored underwater because water is the best (and cheapest) way to shield against radiation that is coming off the fuel. If they are not covered this means that there is nothing shielding the fuel and the radiation from going into the imediate area. I should make this clear that this fuel wouldn't be considered loose type contamination, but fixed type, which means that the wind will not be carrying any contaminated dust anywhere.

Generally, the fuel that is in this area is not hot enough to physically melt, but it's still considered to be 'Hot' as in high levels of radiation.

[boozehound]

here are some good links from the Union of Concerned Scientists
http://www.ucsusa.org/nuclear_power/nuclear_power_risk/safety/nuclear-reactor-crisis-faq.html
http://allthingsnuclear.org/post/3892719255/spent-fuel-pools-at-fukushima?utm_source=fb&utm_medium=fb&utm_campaign=fb

[Is He Ill]

I believe that they are talking about the spent fuel rods in the secondary containment area (basically a huge swimming pool) where the old fuel is stored for it to 'cool down'. Since this is an older plant that was built in the 60's, this spent fuel is stored within the reactor building itself. Most Nuclear plants, including the one I've worked at, store their spent fuel in a seperate building.

Usually these spent fuel rods are stored underwater because water is the best (and cheapest) way to shield against radiation that is coming off the fuel. If they are not covered this means that there is nothing shielding the fuel and the radiation from going into the imediate area. I should make this clear that this fuel wouldn't be considered loose type contamination, but fixed type, which means that the wind will not be carrying any contaminated dust anywhere.

Generally, the fuel that is in this area is not hot enough to physically melt, but it's still considered to be 'Hot' as in high levels of radiation.

Thanks

[Riddler]

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2011/03/us-nuke-chief-no-water-left-in-spent-fuel-pool-at-no-4-reactor/1


not looking good.

[gts]

I believe that they are talking about the spent fuel rods in the secondary containment area (basically a huge swimming pool) where the old fuel is stored for it to 'cool down'. Since this is an older plant that was built in the 60's, this spent fuel is stored within the reactor building itself. Most Nuclear plants, including the one I've worked at, store their spent fuel in a seperate building.

Usually these spent fuel rods are stored underwater because water is the best (and cheapest) way to shield against radiation that is coming off the fuel. If they are not covered this means that there is nothing shielding the fuel and the radiation from going into the imediate area. I should make this clear that this fuel wouldn't be considered loose type contamination, but fixed type, which means that the wind will not be carrying any contaminated dust anywhere.

Generally, the fuel that is in this area is not hot enough to physically melt, but it's still considered to be 'Hot' as in high levels of radiation.??Chernobyl was spent fuel rods melting down....


[QUOTE]

[HeavyMetal]

??Chernobyl was spent fuel rods melting down....




http://blogs.forbes.com/williampentland/2011/03/11/risk-of-nuclear-catastrophe-escalates-in-japan-worse-than-chernobyl/


Spent fuel is fuel that is not being used in the reactor core, but is old fuel that has been removed and replaced with new fuel. This spent fuel is removed is placed in a pool of water to cool down, this usually takes years. The power plant that I worked at would remove this old fuel after about 20-25 years and place it in underground storage.

The accident at Chernobyl happened on a reactor that was still running, and the fuel rods along with everything else exploded and blew up in the atmosphere. This would be considered loose contamination, as very small particles are now in the enviroment and affected by wind. Loose contamination can be ingusted, inhaled and absorbed through the skin. Fixed contamination is different, the fuel rods themselves are radioactive and cannot be washed and considered clean, hence the term fixed. Loose contamination is like dust, where it can be on your skin, but you can wash it off.

The spent fuel rods themselves are considered to be fixed contamination, however if they are not cooled they will melt the casings that bind them and that will turn into radioactive gases.

[RaininThrees]

If you make assumptions it makes an ass out of you

I didn't assume anything. I read what you wrote.

[Loneshot]

Are these current levels in Oregon dangerous?

http://www.blackcatsystems.com/RadMap/map.html
http://www.radiationnetwork.com/

[Is He Ill]

Are these current levels in Oregon dangerous?

http://www.blackcatsystems.com/RadMap/map.html
http://www.radiationnetwork.com/

I think that's just background radiation, it should be normal.

[RaininThrees]

Chile just got hit with a 5.3.. Get out of the path of the ring of fire #justsayin

Ottawa, Ontario had a minor 4.7 today.

[RaininThrees]

This is terribly depressing:

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/16/japan.nuclear.reactors/index.html


He said the next step may involve nuclear plant workers taking heroic acts. Asked to be more specific, he said, "This is a situation where people may be called in to sacrifice their lives. ... It's very difficult for me to contemplate that but it's, it may have reached that point."

[Draz]

I don't wish anyone bad, I would never want someone to be hurt or damaged by this. These people are going to suffer & little children will lose their mother & father, a brother or sister, growing up scar'd for life..

[Riddler]

This is terribly depressing:

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/16/japan.nuclear.reactors/index.html



I think they've gotten about 180 people to sacrifice their lives.

they are going to be dead in the near future...




The USA has told anybody within a 50 mile radius of the Nuclear Reactors needs to evacuate... THAT'S CRAZY!!!

[Hazard]

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/17/science/17plume.html?_r=3
US should not be getting any deadly radiation levels. Some minor health conditions may occur but nothing life threatening.

Sorry if its been posted, I didn't read the thread.

[L.Kizzle]

I think they've gotten about 180 people to sacrifice their lives.

they are going to be dead in the near future...




The USA has told anybody within a 50 mile radius of the Nuclear Reactors needs to evacuate... THAT'S CRAZY!!!
Why is the USA saying this but not Japan? Have the US sent anyone to the plants?

[Riddler]

Why is the USA saying this but not Japan? Have the US sent anyone to the plants?



last time I checked Japan advised to stay out of a 12 mile radius within the reactor.

USA says 50.


France is also publicly speculating that Japan is downplaying the situation

[TennesseeFan]

last time I checked Japan advised to stay out of a 12 mile radius within the reactor.

USA says 50.


France is also publicly speculating that Japan is downplaying the situation

shut the **** up please

[Boogaloo]

BREAKING NEWS!!


BBC:

0253: Tokyo Electric Power Company says it hopes to active the cooling system at reactor 2 as early as Friday night, according to Japan's NHK broadcaster.

0259: The World Health Organization believes the spread of radiation from the Fukushima plant remains localised and does not pose an immediate risk to human health, Michael O'Leary, the WHO head in China

Looks like they got power set up. Finally some good mawfawkin news

[TennesseeFan]

BREAKING NEWS!!


BBC:

0253: Tokyo Electric Power Company says it hopes to active the cooling system at reactor 2 as early as Friday night, according to Japan's NHK broadcaster.

0259: The World Health Organization believes the spread of radiation from the Fukushima plant remains localised and does not pose an immediate risk to human health, Michael O'Leary, the WHO head in China

Looks like they got power set up. Finally some good mawfawkin news

:party:

[Scoooter]

This is terribly depressing:

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/16/japan.nuclear.reactors/index.html
I'm genuinely shocked that they don't have robots for this kind of thing. I mean, it's Japan.

[Boogaloo]

I'm genuinely shocked that they don't have robots for this kind of thing. I mean, it's Japan.

Robots can get stuck in the wreckage, also electrical parts can break due to radiation.

Soviet used robots at forst in Chernobyll, but it broke down. so they used regular army to clean up. Called "bio-robots"

[DRoseOwnsACamry]

Soviet used robots at forst in Chernobyll, but it broke down. so they used regular army to clean up. Called "bio-robots"
Granted, that WAS the late 80's...

[niko]

BREAKING NEWS!!


BBC:

0253: Tokyo Electric Power Company says it hopes to active the cooling system at reactor 2 as early as Friday night, according to Japan's NHK broadcaster.

0259: The World Health Organization believes the spread of radiation from the Fukushima plant remains localised and does not pose an immediate risk to human health, Michael O'Leary, the WHO head in China

Looks like they got power set up. Finally some good mawfawkin news

BBC misinterpeted. THey connected the plant to the power grid at that time. However they still need to get the generators working which could take 10-15 hours.

[JtotheIzzo]

BBC misinterpeted. THey connected the plant to the power grid at that time. However they still need to get the generators working which could take 10-15 hours.


If they cannot get it fixed by that tactic they will likely bury the reactor in sand and concrete.
http://www.canada.com/news/Japan+weighs+need+bury+nuclear+plant/4452975/story.html


Japanese engineers conceded on Friday that burying a crippled nuclear plant in sand and concrete may be a last resort to prevent a catastrophic radiation release, the method used to seal huge leakages from Chernobyl in 1986.

But they still hoped to solve the crisis by fixing a power cable to two reactors by Saturday to restart water pumps needed to cool overheating nuclear fuel rods. Workers also sprayed water on the No.3 reactor, the most critical of the plant's six.

catastrophe is likely to be averted.

[niko]

If they cannot get it fixed by that tactic they will likely bury the reactor in sand and concrete.
http://www.canada.com/news/Japan+weighs+need+bury+nuclear+plant/4452975/story.html



catastrophe is likely to be averted.
The good thing is the power coming back on seems to be WHEN, not IF. The problem is some of the pumps might have earthquake damage. However power coming on gives them lots of options. It does appear that some optimism is not unwarrated here, which is nice.

THey really need this to pass for the healing to stop. As well, a ton of assets, millitary and such need to be left nearby just in case. they can move when this gets better to other areas.

[ZeN]

California's radiation panic: 6 key questions



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The United Nations projects that a plume of radiation from Japan will reach California on Friday. Here, a brief guide to the concerns
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Here's one bit of good news about the radioactive gas leaking out of Japan's crippled Fukushima Daiichi reactors: It is largely blowing out to sea, sparing much of Japan's population from further disaster. Crossing the Pacific, the potentially toxic plume is projected to hit Southern California on Friday, before spreading over the Southwest. It's expected that radiation levels will be extremely low, but reports have nonetheless sparked some panic in the Golden State. Here's a brief guide:





http://theweek.com/article/index/213312/californias-radiation-panic-6-key-questions

[TennesseeFan]

So what you're telling me, is that I should:

1. Buy a ton of iodine tablets
2. List them on ebay
3. ??????????
4. Profit

BTW go into the BTE and tell me what you've thought of the last 2 episodes of House.

Thats not 6 questions, newphag.

[Skywalker]

according to usgs honshu japan is still getting hit by earthquakes multiple times daily wtf?

[oh the horror]

Funny scripture from the bible...


Luke 21:25


http://bible.cc/luke/21-25.htm


There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea.

[GOBB]

A couple doctors suggested people buying up all that idodine in fear better be careful and consult their doctors before taking it. They could do more harm to themselves than the radiation they are fearing.

[Meticode]

not big news, but the nuclear situation over in Japan was upgraded from a rating of 4 out of 7 to 5 out of 7. If no one knows what that means, Chernobyl was 7 out of 7, Three Mile Island was 5 out of 7. And I would guess if they did a rating on Semi Valley in California it would be a 6 or 7 out of 7/.

[Lebowsky]

not big news, but the nuclear situation over in Japan was upgraded from a rating of 4 out of 7 to 5 out of 7. If no one knows what that means, Chernobyl was 7 out of 7, Three Mile Island was 5 out of 7. And I would guess if they did a rating on Semi Valley in California it would be a 6 or 7 out of 7/.

It's been level 6 for some days now, I believe.
Edit: you are absolutely right, my bad.

[niko]

BTW, they said the amount in California was a billionth of what would be dangerous.

A BILLIOTH.

Are we self centered much in this country or what?

[GOBB]

not big news, but the nuclear situation over in Japan was upgraded from a rating of 4 out of 7 to 5 out of 7. If no one knows what that means, Chernobyl was 7 out of 7, Three Mile Island was 5 out of 7. And I would guess if they did a rating on Semi Valley in California it would be a 6 or 7 out of 7/.

I havent cared enough to look up on this situation. But what I did hear on tv casually was the two situations being compared is stupid and not remotely the same (Chernobyl). So how is the situation close to that?

[TheReturnofCed]

BTW, they said the amount in California was a billionth of what would be dangerous.

A BILLIOTH.

Are we self centered much in this country or what?

There's nothing self-centered about being concerned for your health. Seems that before, many were saying nothing would reach them at all. Now it has and the threat level has also been upgraded. It's far from over, and I'd have to believe that any amount of radiation isn't exactly healthy.

[niko]

There's nothing self-centered about being concerned for your health. Seems that before, many were saying nothing would reach them at all. Now it has and the threat level has also been upgraded. It's far from over, and I'd have to believe that any amount of radiation isn't exactly healthy.
people are buying radiation tablets and their is talking all over the news. The level of radiation was measured TODAY so unless something happened in the last few hours, then yes, the people in Cali are acting like pyschos. its total overkill. they are really far away.

when something needs to occur a billion times over to hurt you, it cant hurt you.

[oh the horror]

people are buying radiation tablets and their is talking all over the news. The level of radiation was measured TODAY so unless something happened in the last few hours, then yes, the people in Cali are acting like pyschos. its total overkill. they are really far away.

when something needs to occur a billion times over to hurt you, it cant hurt you.



Bro, its human nature. You know how people are...this is why the government has been accused of not leaking vital information regarding people's health or actual disasters. If people knew of true impending doom, they WOULD ....FU*KING....FREAK OUT. :oldlol:

[boozehound]

I havent cared enough to look up on this situation. But what I did hear on tv casually was the two situations being compared is stupid and not remotely the same (Chernobyl). So how is the situation close to that?
the point is that it is at a 6 out of the full 7 of the rating system. making it the worst nuclear power disaster other than Chernobyl.

[catch24]

the point is that it is at a 6 out of the full 7 of the rating system. making it the worst nuclear power disaster other than Chernobyl.

CNN is still reporting a 5 out of 7; 20-mile or so radius.

[boozehound]

CNN is still reporting a 5 out of 7; 20-mile or so radius.
oh my bad. I thought it was at 6 the other day. did it get downgraded? or did I get it wrong

[niko]

oh my bad. I thought it was at 6 the other day. did it get downgraded? or did I get it wrong
it went from 4 to 5 but i would not be surprised if someone reported it wrong prior.

[Lebowsky]

oh my bad. I thought it was at 6 the other day. did it get downgraded? or did I get it wrong

I heard it was at 6 too.

[niko]

I heard it was at 6 too.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/18/japan.nuclear.reactors/index.html?hpt=C1

From 4 to 5 is correct but i somewhat remember it being called 6 too.

[boozehound]

BTW I use Iodine (and potassium iodide) all the time in my lab, so I am safe! Phew

[Meticode]

I havent cared enough to look up on this situation. But what I did hear on tv casually was the two situations being compared is stupid and not remotely the same (Chernobyl). So how is the situation close to that?
It simply isn't close to that at all to Chernobyl. The only way it could be Chernobyl is if a reactor blew up and the containment vessel to stop radiation leaks failed. Is it possibly? Yes. Is it likely? No. The biggest problem they're having is keeping one of the reactors cool by pumping water into it, and in another reactor they have exposed spent-fuel rods.

[mhg88]

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/18/japan.nuclear.reactors/index.html?hpt=C1

From 4 to 5 is correct but i somewhat remember it being called 6 too.

It was. The confusion here stems from multiple agencies publishing their classifications:

[quote]INES rating for this disaster was initially declared as Level 4 by Japan's nuclear safety agency,[15] but after subsequent explosions, Andre-Claude Lacoste, president of France's Autorit