How come Kobe has only scored 40 once in the finals?

[NBASTATMAN]

MAGIC DID THAT SHIT IN HIS ROOKIE SEASON... :lol



Sorry to all reasonable kobe fans... He is a great player... But this is a legit question if we are going to compare him to Magic or any other great...

[Rnbizzle]

Rose nearly did that in his Rookie season (36), does that make him a better player too?

[ashbelly]

Kobe fans are running for the stats right now. This can't be true :oldlol:

[Heat007]

Rose nearly did that in his Rookie season (36), does that make him a better player too?

Rose didn't play in the Finals.


And Kobe is a career 41% shooter in the finals.

[Colby Brian]

Rose nearly did that in his Rookie season (36), does that make him a better player too?

jalen rose?

[ashbelly]

Rose nearly did that in his Rookie season (36), does that make him a better player too?

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Colby Brian]

Rose didn't play in the Finals.


And Kobe is a career 41% shooter in the finals.

5 rings, 7 finals apperances :D

[NBASTATMAN]

5 rings, 7 finals apperances :D


And only one 40 pt game.. :roll:

[opps]

So one day you haters say Kobe is a chucker and never should score more than 30 points in a game if team is going to succeed. Then the next day you get on him for not having scored more than 40 in a Finals game.... ok i get it :rolleyes:

[Rnbizzle]

O right my bad..

[ashbelly]

And only one 40 pt game.. :roll:


:oldlol: :oldlol: And they want kobe's name next to Jordan ?

[SavageMode]

And only one 40 pt game.. :roll:
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Rysio]

Because he played against some great defensive teams.

[Irish]

I remember Wade got 43 in the finals, took him 50 minutes and 25 free thorws to do it though.

[Colby Brian]

And only one 40 pt game.. :roll:

he doesnt need to score 40, and who cares :confusedshrug:

[opps]

And are we gonna forget this 38 point effort last year in Game 5

Check Wade's reaction

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuSpY4Rfrm8&feature=related

[griffmoney1784]

dynesty teams dont need 1 player to score all the points. thats why theyre in the finals every year

only jordan hogged on dynesty teams because it was a weak era

[TennesseeFan]

he doesnt need to score 40, and who cares :confusedshrug:

why is his supporting cast better? :oldlol:

[Colby Brian]

And are we gonna forget this 38 point effort last year in Game 5

Check Wade's reaction

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuSpY4Rfrm8&feature=related

yeah if only his teammates actually showed up....

[Notorious D.M.C]

MAGIC DID THAT SHIT IN HIS ROOKIE SEASON... :lol



Sorry to all reasonable kobe fans... He is a great player... But this is a legit question if we are going to compare him to Magic or any other great...
so if its true whats your point

[Irish]

How many 40+ games does he have in the WCF? Must be a higher number?

[Colby Brian]

why is his supporting cast better? :oldlol:

whats lebrons career high in the finals?

lebron never topped 30

[AlphaWolf24]

whats lebrons career high in the finals?

lebron never topped 30


http://images4.fanpop.com/image/user_images/2131000/AlphaWolf-2131534_297_297.jpg

[NBASTATMAN]

so if its true whats your point


My point is that Kobe is called one of the greatest scorers in history.. Yet he has 1 40 pt game in the FINALS....


I figured I would ask the question. WHY? I mean there are games where he has taken 28 shots and scored less than 30 pts..


Maybe we should really take a look at how we look at kobe.. Is he really a great scorer..


His career was going downhill till the new no touch rules came into effect...

[Hulk Hogan]

whats lebrons career high in the finals?

lebron never topped 25% FG shooting

I fixed it for ya.

[NBASTATMAN]

http://images4.fanpop.com/image/user_images/2131000/AlphaWolf-2131534_297_297.jpg


Lebron is more overrated than Kobe.. :lol .. When he wins something I will take him serious again..

[opps]

whats lebrons career high in the finals?

lerbon never topped 30

Lebron vs Spurs 07 Finals

Game 1- 4/16 14 points :lol
Game 2- 9/21 25 points :lol
Game 3-9/23 25 points :lol
Game 4- 10/30 24 points :lol

Note: this is a team Kobe was having 40 point games against... :lol

[Round Mound]

He doesnt need to. He lives off Gasol`s double teaming, Bynum`s Presence and the versatility of Odom: Also, now having the best 1 on 1 perimeter defender in Artest.

The game is quite easy having that much help.

[NBASTATMAN]

whats lebrons career high in the finals?

lebron never topped 30


GUESS YOU DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER... Wait the ANSWER SCORED MORE THAN 40 PTS IN HIS FIRST FINALS GAME...


:roll: :roll: :roll:

[DRose1899]

And are we gonna forget this 38 point effort last year in Game 5

Check Wade's reaction

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuSpY4Rfrm8&feature=related
Wade expression on that vids is priceless :lol:

[NBASTATMAN]

Lebron vs Spurs 07 Finals

Game 1- 4/16 14 points :lol
Game 2- 9/21 25 points :lol
Game 3-9/23 25 points :lol
Game 4- 10/30 24 points :lol

Note: this is a team Kobe was having 40 point games against... :lol


Lebron was almost as bad as Kobe was in 2004 :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[pauk]

MAGIC DID THAT SHIT IN HIS ROOKIE SEASON... :lol



Sorry to all reasonable kobe fans... He is a great player... But this is a legit question if we are going to compare him to Magic or any other great...

cuz he zux?

[Colby Brian]

GUESS YOU DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER... Wait the ANSWER SCORED MORE THAN 40 PTS IN HIS FIRST FINALS GAME...


:roll: :roll: :roll:

yep so AI>>>kobe

[NBASTATMAN]

yep so AI>>>kobe:cheers:


I would agree.. AI was much better than Kobe in the 2001 FINALS... Much better.. :applause:

[Colby Brian]

Lebron was almost as bad as Kobe was in 2004 :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

except kobe had one good game and a win (lebron got swept, and never topped 30), he had 33 points and hit a clutch shot lebron will never hit http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDWru_YjLLg

[pauk]

except kobe had one good game and a win (lebron got swept, and never topped 30), he had 33 points and hit a clutch shot lebron will never hit http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDWru_YjLLg

lets PLEASE not compare a 21 year old taking a pathetic scrub team to its first finals appearance in franchise history by going 1 on 5 rambo taking out a championship team all by himself (pistons)........ cavs were NOT supposed to be there and lebron couldnt keep up with his EPIC 25++++ points in 4th quarter clutch performances and triple doubles every single game

[NBASTATMAN]

except kobe had one good game and a win (lebron got swept, and never topped 30), he had 33 points and hit a clutch shot lebron will never hit http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDWru_YjLLg


YOU MEAN EXCEPT KOBE PLAYED WITH 3 BEST PLAYERS OF ALL TIME AND STILL STUNK UP THE JOINT... :roll:

BTW Kobe stunk it up in 2000 as well.. He shot around the same percentage that Lebron did in 2007... Except Kobe was playing on a stacked team... :lol


Wait kobe stunk it up yet again last year .. 40 PERCENT... PAU WAS THE MAN

[opps]

YOU MEAN EXCEPT KOBE PLAYED WITH 3 BEST PLAYERS OF ALL TIME AND STILL STUNK UP THE JOINT... :roll:

BTW Kobe stunk it up in 2000 as well.. He shot around the same percentage that Lebron did in 2007... Except Kobe was playing on a stacked team... :lol

Really?

[NBASTATMAN]

YOU MEAN EXCEPT KOBE PLAYED WITH 3 BEST PLAYERS OF ALL TIME AND STILL STUNK UP THE JOINT... :roll:

BTW Kobe stunk it up in 2000 as well.. He shot around the same percentage that Lebron did in 2007... Except Kobe was playing on a stacked team... :lol


Wait kobe stunk it up yet again last year .. 40 PERCENT... PAU WAS THE MAN


Wait I think Kobe only shot 42 percent vs Orlando.. :roll:

[Colby Brian]

:cheers:


I would agree.. AI was much better than Kobe in the 2001 FINALS... Much better.. :applause:

2001 nba finals

AI - 35.6 ppg, 5.6 rpg, 3.8 apg
kobe- 24.6 ppg, 7.8 rpg, 5.8 apg

kobe was second option on offense

[Hulk Hogan]

STATMAN is mad cause Kobe bout to win another championship and MVP!! :roll:

[NBASTATMAN]

Really?


IF YOU DON't know your shit don't mess with me.. :roll: 37 PERCENT...

[Hulk Hogan]

Lebron was almost as bad as Kobe was in 2004 :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Lebron shot the lowest percentage in Finals history, 25%... :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Colby Brian]

YOU MEAN EXCEPT KOBE PLAYED WITH 3 BEST PLAYERS OF ALL TIME AND STILL STUNK UP THE JOINT... :roll:

BTW Kobe stunk it up in 2000 as well.. He shot around the same percentage that Lebron did in 2007... Except Kobe was playing on a stacked team... :lol


Wait kobe stunk it up yet again last year .. 40 PERCENT... PAU WAS THE MAN

:facepalm http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=6608

plus in 04, no one played that good, if it wasnt for kobes game 2, lakers woulda got swept
plus karl malone and gary payton were 40 year olds

[pauk]

Lebron shot the lowest percentage in Finals history, 25%... :roll: :roll: :roll:

lets PLEASE not compare kobrick cryant to a 21 year old taking a pathetic scrub team to its first finals appearance in franchise history by going 1 on 5 rambo taking out a championship team all by himself (pistons)........ cavs were NOT supposed to be there and lebron couldnt keep up with his EPIC 25++++ points in 4th quarter clutch performances and triple doubles every single game
that 1 on 5 rambo team got exposed by a REAL TEAM

put lebron in the finals now and u will see what he will do
he will put up the greatest finals performance ever

[bl2k8]

this is what it has come to,

[NBASTATMAN]

2001 nba finals

AI - 35.6 ppg, 5.6 rpg, 3.8 apg
kobe- 24.6 ppg, 7.8 rpg, 5.8 apg

kobe was second option on offense


I think Kobe shot 41 PERCENT.. Aaron Mckie guarded him with a broken ankle.. :roll: :roll:

[DixieNourmous]

5 rings, 7 finals apperances :D


Finals winning percentage of 71.42857142857143%

:applause:

[NBASTATMAN]

this is what it has come to,


Sorry..:rockon:

[Replay32]

He also only has 1 50 point game in the playoffs in his whole career. Kobe's been playing since 1996 only missed the playoffs once in 14 years and still only has 1 50 point game.

Bottomline is, in the playoffs you are going against better teams. Kobe kills the boo boo teams. Or takes advantage of the regular season. His 81 point game against Toronto, he didn't see many double teams. :lol. The coaching and defense in that game was a straight :facepalm

Kobe sure is the GREATEST REGULAR SEASON SCORER EVER. oh wait...

[Hulk Hogan]

this is what it has come to,

These haters are mad cause Kobe bout to with his 6th ring and equal Jordan...

6 = 6... :roll: :roll: :roll:

[NBASTATMAN]

Finals winning percentage of 71.42857142857143%

:applause:



Finals in which kobe lost all by himself... 100% of the 2 losses... :lol :roll:


After leading by 21 AND LOSING KOBE SAID HE WET THE BED..

[Colby Brian]

lets PLEASE not compare kobrick cryant to a 21 year old taking a pathetic scrub team to its first finals appearance in franchise history by going 1 on 5 rambo taking out a championship team all by himself (pistons)........ cavs were NOT supposed to be there and lebron couldnt keep up with his EPIC 25++++ points in 4th quarter clutch performances and triple doubles every single game
that 1 on 5 rambo team got exposed by a REAL TEAM

put lebron in the finals now and u will see what he will do
he will put up the greatest finals performance ever

:facepalm shut up troll

[Colby Brian]

I think Kobe shot 41 PERCENT.. Aaron Mckie guarded him with a broken ankle.. :roll: :roll:

kobe- 42%
AI- 41%

AI is a point gaurd and kobe averaged 4 more assists than him

[Irish]

I bet Kobe has problems sleeping at night, what use is five NBA championships if you didn't shoot 55/45/95, get 45/10/10 every game, use Dick Bavettas head to polish the hardwood, and go home and sleep with both your wife and Katelyn Faber at the same time.

Lakers would have been better off with Jerry Stackhouse. Maybe they would have less rings, but since rings don't count when you have a good team it wouldnt matter anyway.

[NBASTATMAN]

These haters are mad cause Kobe bout to with his 6th ring and equal Jordan...

6 = 6... :roll: :roll: :roll:

CAN YOU SAY " SECOND FIDDLE" :roll:

[NBASTATMAN]

kobe- 42%
AI- 41%

AI is a point gaurd and kobe averaged 4 more assists than him


you have to be HULK CUZ YOUR MATH SCUKS... LOL

Kobe had SHAQ MAKING DUNKS.. While KObe was bricking shots while being guarded BY AARON MCKIE ON ONE LEG..


The next time he faced a guy with one LET" PAUL PIERCE" KOBE WET THE BED...:roll:

[DixieNourmous]

Finals in which kobe lost all by himself... 100% of the 2 losses... :lol :roll:


After leading by 21 AND LOSING KOBE SAID HE WET THE BED..

Link? phukin troll a$$ lier

Amazing how you troll your own thread to maintain hate for Kobe.

[Calabis]

dynesty teams dont need 1 player to score all the points. thats why theyre in the finals every year

only jordan hogged on dynesty teams because it was a weak era

No thats not the reason, the reason is because he was never not the best on his team...we saw what Kobe did when he thought he was the man in 2004 :roll: 38% Gunner

[Replay32]

He doesnt need to. He lives off Gasol`s double teaming, Bynum`s Presence and the versatility of Odom: Also, now having the best 1 on 1 perimeter defender in Artest.

The game is quite easy having that much help.

You forgot to mention gasol, odom, and bynums offensive rebounds, especially in the clutch. They are also big enough and skilled enough for put backs. The lakers live off 2nd chance points and their size, so it doesn't matter how many bricks kobe throws up.

[Colby Brian]

what a bunch of trolls, u guys fail

u guys mad, kobes winning

http://i35.tinypic.com/*******.gif

[Calabis]

you have to be HULK CUZ YOUR MATH SCUKS... LOL

Kobe had SHAQ MAKING DUNKS.. While KObe was bricking shots while being guarded BY AARON MCKIE ON ONE LEG..


The next time he faced a guy with one LET" PAUL PIERCE" KOBE WET THE BED...:roll:

U forgot the huge and tall 6'3 Eric Snow....lmao

[NBASTATMAN]

Link? phukin troll a$$ lier

Amazing how you troll your own thread to maintain hate for Kobe.


lol .. YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW your boy...


I AM SURE HE SAID THAT IN A POST GAME INTERVIEW... :lol


LOOK IT UP SCRUB... :roll:

[D-nugz]

Kobe is a good player,
but damn it's them fans that make me hate kobe and the Lakers.
If those crazy nut huggers were non existent I swear I could be a Laker fan.

[NBASTATMAN]

U forgot the huge and tall 6'3 Eric Snow....lmao


ERIK SNOW should have been in the CBA... :roll:

[OldSchoolBBall]

I think Kobe shot 41 PERCENT.. Aaron Mckie guarded him with a broken ankle.. :roll: :roll:

Yeah, that Sixers series is what really exposes Kobe, and exposes the excuses his fans try to make for him. Vince Carter averaged 31/6/5/48% FG against that Sixers team as a first option that same postseason, and Kobe only averaged like 25 pts/41% FG against them despite having a monstrous 33 ppg/60% FG beast down low.

[NBASTATMAN]

Yeah, that Sixers series is what really exposes Kobe, and exposes the excuses his fans try to make for him. Vince Carter averaged 31/6/5/48% FG against that same Sixers team as a first option that same postseason, and Kobe only averaged like 25 pts/41% FG against them despite having a monstrous 33 ppg/60% FG beast down low.



:applause: :applause: :applause:

[DixieNourmous]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bryanko01.html


Most accomplished player in the NBA today.


Jealousy is for children :no:

[DixieNourmous]

LOOK IT UP SCRUB... :roll:

If you cant prove it, you`re just a phukin douchebag, no cred, future IP ban duma$$

[NBASTATMAN]

If you cant prove it, your just a phukin douchebag


U :mad:

Look it up or shut up.. I don't have to look it up cuz I had cable tv unlike most of you broke arse kids... LOL... I saw that myself...

[SYM86]

MAGIC DID THAT SHIT IN HIS ROOKIE SEASON... :lol



Sorry to all reasonable kobe fans... He is a great player... But this is a legit question if we are going to compare him to Magic or any other great...

:wtf: is wrong with you ppl? when kobe score 50 points you guys called him ball hog, now you guys complain about him not scoring enough? please.

but did he win 5 rings for the lakers? YES :rockon:

[DixieNourmous]

U :mad:

Look it up or shut up.. I don't have to look it up cuz I had cable tv unlike most of you broke arse kids... LOL... I saw that myself...

you posted trash,, its not on the net,, prove what you say douchie

[Calabis]

How sad is it, when ur teammate Derek Fisher has more clutch moments in the finals, yet Kobe is carrying them, with that 41% career finals %:roll:

[ukplayer4]

kobe wasnt the primary option his first 4 finals so his teams have never needed him to have big scoring games to win the titles, which is fortunate because he has gone


got these off a board....

00-36%
01-41%
02-51%

first 3 titles kobe has averaged 20ppg on 42%fg

then came the 04 finals, we all know how that went with kobe displaying the most disgusting display of selfishness despite his team getting destroyed.

04-22ppg 38%fg

08- 40%fg
09- 42%fg


i dont have the 2010 stats.

[Hulk Hogan]

Don't pay these troIls any attention. Let them have their circle jerk offs.
If you stop posting... These trolls will get bored and the thread will fiddle down to the bottom of the forum database.

[NBASTATMAN]

you posted trash,, its not on the net,, prove what you say douchie



here it is idiot..

We just wet the bed," Kobe said. "A nice big one, too. One of the ones you can't put a towel over. It was terrible."


http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2008/columns/story?columnist=stein_marc&page=Gm4-080613

[DixieNourmous]

U :mad:

I don't have to look it up cuz I had cable tv


12 years old? :wtf:

[NBASTATMAN]

Don't pay these troIls any attention. Let them have their circle jerk offs.
If you stop posting... These trolls will get bored and the thread will fiddle down to the bottom of the forum database.



STOP POSTIN.. .:roll: :roll: :roll:


That is the best thing you have ever posted.. :applause:

[NBASTATMAN]

12 years old? :wtf:


idiot there it is.. READ IT AND SHUT UP... :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[DixieNourmous]

here it is idiot..

We just wet the bed," Kobe said. "A nice big one, too. One of the ones you can't put a towel over. It was terrible."


http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2008/columns/story?columnist=stein_marc&page=Gm4-080613


Where is the part about pissing all over himself like you said Douchie?


What happened to that Douchie?

[Eat Like A Bosh]

You see, threads that don't have a logical explanation and just throws out one fact without putting it in perspective are troll threads.

[NBASTATMAN]

Where is the part about pissing all over himself like you said Douchie?


What happened to that Douchie?



i never wrote he pissed himself idiot douchebag...


This is what I wrote

""""After leading by 21 AND LOSING KOBE SAID HE WET THE BED.. """"



NEXT .. Cuz dixieidiot cannot read...

[OldSchoolBBall]

kobe wasnt the primary option his first 4 finals so his teams have never needed him to have big scoring games to win the titles, which is fortunate because he has gone


got these off a board....

00-36%
01-41%
02-51%

first 3 titles kobe has averaged 20ppg on 42%fg

then came the 04 finals, we all know how that went with kobe displaying the most disgusting display of selfishness despite his team getting destroyed.

04-22ppg 38%fg

08- 40%fg
09- 42%fg


i dont have the 2010 stats.

Kobe shot 40% (40.4% to be exact) in the 2010 Finals.

[LA_Showtime]

Wow; this is a very narrow-minded thread.

[whoartthou]

:oldlol: :oldlol: And they want kobe's name next to Jordan ?

they want kobes name to be >>>> jordan

[AlphaWolf24]

kobe wasnt the primary option his first 4 finals so his teams have never needed him to have big scoring games to win the titles, which is fortunate because he has gone


got these off a board....

00-36%
01-41%
02-51%

first 3 titles kobe has averaged 20ppg on 42%fg

then came the 04 finals, we all know how that went with kobe displaying the most disgusting display of selfishness despite his team getting destroyed.

04-22ppg 38%fg

08- 40%fg
09- 42%fg


i dont have the 2010 stats.


01' playoff's Kobe was clearly the number one option in crunch time (Kobe averaged 10.5 ppg on 62% shooting in fourth quarters. Shaq averaged 6.5 ppg on 32%)....and he clearly was their best player against the best team.Kobe - 33ppg 7ast 7reb vs the Spurs (Shaq said Kobe was the best allaround player in the NBA after the series was finished)

...4th quarters for the 01 - 02 playoff's combined...Kobe averaged 8.6 ppg on 43%, 96% on FTs ... Shaq averaged just 5.1 ppg on 31%, 68% FTs


Kobe clearly the main weapon and FIRST Option in the 4th quarter....

Shaq had habits of getting into foul trouble and his skillset did'nt allow him to close games....

again Kobe carried the team in the most important part...to go along with playing all 1rst or 2nd team defense

Shaq never made the first team all defense.

Shaq left and Kobe been to 3 straight Finals without Him....Shaq has never sniffed 3 straight without Kobe.

who made who?.....





next....

[whoartthou]

01' playoff's Kobe was clearly the number one option in crunch time (Kobe averaged 10.5 ppg on 62% shooting in fourth quarters. Shaq averaged 6.5 ppg on 32%)....and he clearly was their best player against the best team.Kobe - 33ppg 7ast 7reb vs the Spurs (Shaq said Kobe was the best allaround player in the NBA after the series was finished)

...4th quarters for the 01 - 02 playoff's combined...Kobe averaged 8.6 ppg on 43%, 96% on FTs ... Shaq averaged just 5.1 ppg on 31%, 68% FTs


Kobe clearly the main weapon and FIRST Option in the 4th quarter....

Shaq had habits of getting into foul trouble and his skillset did'nt allow him to close games....

again Kobe carried the team in the most important part...to go along with playing all 1rst or 2nd team defense

Shaq never made the first team all defense.

Shaq left and Kobe been to 3 straight Finals without Him....Shaq has never sniffed 3 straight without Kobe.

who made who?.....





next....


why has kobe only scored 40 once in his 7 finals appearances? Simple... hes not as great of a scorer as stans make him out to be?:rolleyes:

[SkyR#1fanCapCou]

except kobe had one good game and a win (lebron got swept, and never topped 30), he had 33 points and hit a clutch shot lebron will never hit http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDWru_YjLLg

Which is why he said "almost":D

[Thom.Yorke]

OP - how many points do you have in the finals? Thank you now STFU

[SkyR#1fanCapCou]

:facepalm http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=6608

plus in 04, no one played that good, if it wasnt for kobes game 2, lakers woulda got swept
plus karl malone and gary payton were 40 year olds

Shaq played fine in the 04 Finals.

[ukplayer4]

01' playoff's Kobe was clearly the number one option in crunch time (Kobe averaged 10.5 ppg on 62% shooting in fourth quarters. Shaq averaged 6.5 ppg on 32%)....and he clearly was their best player against the best team.Kobe - 33ppg 7ast 7reb vs the Spurs (Shaq said Kobe was the best allaround player in the NBA after the series was finished)

...4th quarters for the 01 - 02 playoff's combined...Kobe averaged 8.6 ppg on 43%, 96% on FTs ... Shaq averaged just 5.1 ppg on 31%, 68% FTs


Kobe clearly the main weapon and FIRST Option in the 4th quarter....

Shaq had habits of getting into foul trouble and his skillset did'nt allow him to close games....

again Kobe carried the team in the most important part...to go along with playing all 1rst or 2nd team defense

Shaq never made the first team all defense.

Shaq left and Kobe been to 3 straight Finals without Him....Shaq has never sniffed 3 straight without Kobe.

who made who?.....





next....




:roll: if kobe made shaq do you want to explain why shaq was

00-38/17 61%fg
01- 33/16 57%fg
02- 36/12 60%fg

kobe averaged 20ppg on 42% across the 3 series.

but yeah....


who made who?


alphawolf, seriously :facepalm

[24r2]

:cheers:


I would agree.. AI was much better than Kobe in the 2001 FINALS... Much better.. :applause:

:facepalm :facepalm come on man

[SkyR#1fanCapCou]

01' playoff's Kobe was clearly the number one option in crunch time (Kobe averaged 10.5 ppg on 62% shooting in fourth quarters. Shaq averaged 6.5 ppg on 32%)....and he clearly was their best player against the best team.Kobe - 33ppg 7ast 7reb vs the Spurs (Shaq said Kobe was the best allaround player in the NBA after the series was finished)

...4th quarters for the 01 - 02 playoff's combined...Kobe averaged 8.6 ppg on 43%, 96% on FTs ... Shaq averaged just 5.1 ppg on 31%, 68% FTs


Kobe clearly the main weapon and FIRST Option in the 4th quarter....

Shaq had habits of getting into foul trouble and his skillset did'nt allow him to close games....

again Kobe carried the team in the most important part...to go along with playing all 1rst or 2nd team defense

Shaq never made the first team all defense.

Shaq left and Kobe been to 3 straight Finals without Him....Shaq has never sniffed 3 straight without Kobe.

who made who?.....





next....

Give us the first 3 quarters between Shaq and Kobe...you know 3/4 of the game not just 1/4 of it :D

As far as Shaq not making All-NBA First Team defense, he was All-NBA First Team during each year of the Lakers 3-peat. Kobe was on the All-NBA Second Team during his first 2 years of the 3-peat.

Shaq was on the All-NBA defensive 2nd team twice during the 3-peat

[Da_Realist]

Kobe's the GOAT regular season perimeter scorer. Playoffs don't count. Kobe wouldn't dare unleash his offensive fury during the playoffs. Waste of time. Why -- when you can win 5 titles shooting 41%?

[AlphaWolf24]

Kobe's the GOAT regular season perimeter scorer. Playoffs don't count. Kobe wouldn't dare unleash his offensive fury during the playoffs. Waste of time. Why -- when you can win 5 titles shooting 41%?

FAIL

at 32 years old.........


1991 playoffs MJ = 31PPG 6reb 8ast Championship 60% TS%
1992 playoffs MJ = 34PPG 6reb 5ast Championship 57% TS%
1993 playoffs MJ = 35PPG 6reb 6ast Championship 55% TS%

2000 playoffs Kobe = 21PPG 4reb 4ast Championship 51% TS%
2001 playoffs Kobe = 29PPG 7reb 6ast Championship 55% TS%
2002 playoffs Kobe = 26PPG 5reb 4ast Championship 51% TS%
2008 playoffs Kobe = 30PPG 5ast 5reb Lost in Da Championship 57% TS%
2009 playoffs Kobe = 30PPG 5ast 5reb Championship 56% TS%
2010 playoffs Kobe = 29PPG 6reb 5ast Championship 56% TS%

to be continued........


Give me Kobe all day everyday and twice on sunday..

[AlphaWolf24]

alphawolf, seriously :facepalm[/QUOTE]

yup....cause Shaq went to 3 straight Finals and dominated the post season without Kobe......wait.

[BlackJoker23]

Don't you guys get tired of arguing about this? It's stupid, redundant and played out.

[opps]

Don't you guys get tired of arguing about this? It's stupid, redundant and played out.

This obivious hater. Kobe has 5 rings why is it a discussion about how many points he scored.

[ukplayer4]

alphawolf, seriously :facepalm

yup....cause Shaq went to 3 straight Finals and dominated the post season without Kobe......wait.[/QUOTE]



who is disputing that? and how does that refute my destruction of your claim that kobe was the more important player in the finals and "made shaq" despite the fact that shaqs numbers just take a giant crap on kobes?

[chazzy]

Kobe's the GOAT regular season perimeter scorer. Playoffs don't count. Kobe wouldn't dare unleash his offensive fury during the playoffs. Waste of time. Why -- when you can win 5 titles shooting 41%?
3 straight playoff runs of 30/6/5 at 46% :confusedshrug: You're better than that

[OldSchoolBBall]

Kobe's the GOAT regular season perimeter scorer. Playoffs don't count. Kobe wouldn't dare unleash his offensive fury during the playoffs. Waste of time. Why -- when you can win 5 titles shooting 41%?

Don't forget that the bulk of his 40+ and 50+ point games have come against terrible teams. In 2006 and 2007, during which Kobe recorded like 60% of his career games of 40-50+ points, the average record of teams that he dropped 40+ on was 39-42, and the average record of teams he dropped 50+ on was 37-45. Terrible. Kobe Bean Bryant: at his best against the worst teams.


FAIL

at 32 years old.........


1991 playoffs MJ = 31PPG 6reb 8ast Championship 60% TS%
1992 playoffs MJ = 34PPG 6reb 5ast Championship 57% TS%
1993 playoffs MJ = 35PPG 6reb 6ast Championship 55% TS%

Err, no. It's 31/6/8 in 1991, 35/6/6 in 1992, and 35/7/6 in 1993. You rounded down incorrectly (6.7 reb = 7, not 6; 5.8 assists = 6, not 5; 34.5 pts = 35, not 34 etc.).

[SkyR#1fanCapCou]

Don't you guys get tired of arguing about this? It's stupid, redundant and played out.
blasphemy:oldlol:

[Da_Realist]

:oldlol: at all you people taking AlphaWolf seriously

[BEAST Griffin]

FAIL

at 32 years old.........


1991 playoffs MJ = 31PPG 6reb 8ast Championship 60% TS%
1992 playoffs MJ = 34PPG 6reb 5ast Championship 57% TS%
1993 playoffs MJ = 35PPG 6reb 6ast Championship 55% TS%

2000 playoffs Kobe = 21PPG 4reb 4ast Championship 51% TS%
2001 playoffs Kobe = 29PPG 7reb 6ast Championship 55% TS%
2002 playoffs Kobe = 26PPG 5reb 4ast Championship 51% TS%
2008 playoffs Kobe = 30PPG 5ast 5reb Lost in Da Championship 57% TS%
2009 playoffs Kobe = 30PPG 5ast 5reb Championship 56% TS%
2010 playoffs Kobe = 29PPG 6reb 5ast Championship 56% TS%

to be continued........


Give me Kobe all day everyday and twice on sunday..

Michael Jordan has more PPG, APG, SPG, BGP, and better TS% than Kobe.

Not to mention his defense > Kobe's defense

[whoartthou]

:applause:
:roll: if kobe made shaq do you want to explain why shaq was

00-38/17 61%fg
01- 33/16 57%fg
02- 36/12 60%fg

kobe averaged 20ppg on 42% across the 3 series.

but yeah....




alphawolf, seriously :facepalm


LEGENDARY :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Da_Realist]

Right now...at some LA gym, Kobe is probably working on his shot -- shooting about 43%. Kobe doin' work. :oldlol:

[AlphaWolf24]

yup....cause Shaq went to 3 straight Finals and dominated the post season without Kobe......wait.



who is disputing that? and how does that refute my destruction of your claim that kobe was the more important player in the finals and "made shaq" despite the fact that shaqs numbers just take a giant crap on kobes?[/QUOTE]


Look at the whole postseason...Kobe was the clearly the first option in the 4th for 2 of the 3 Titles..


....Kobe carried them....in the 4th....to go along with Putting up 28PPG 5 and 5.....

You saying th 01 sixers were better then the 01 Spurs:confusedshrug: Shaq won Finals MVP and destroyed the sixers...Kobe destroyed the Spurs (IMO a much better team)..why you slight Kobe for winning a title with Shaq?...when Kobe's proven to be a greater winner?:confusedshrug:


makes "0" sense to me...Kobe was beastin during the WCFinals....was the main weapon in the 4th for the 01' 02' championship runs....first or second team all defense and proven to be able to play at a higher level without Shaq

ESPN called Kobe the best player in the NBA in 2001...(so did Shaq)..Kobe was more valuable IMO and to the Lakers...Shaq got shipped out again....and Kobe went to 3 straight Finals a couple years Later.....

yet you are hear trying to slight him...saying it was mostly Shaq??..........Kobe sacrificed personal stats to get everyone involved and win...that was the Goal...oh yeah he still put up 28PPG 5and 5



it's silly and tired......and holds no weight




next

[whoartthou]

Don't forget that the bulk of his 40+ and 50+ point games have come against terrible teams. In 2006 and 2007, during which Kobe recorded like 60% of his career games of 40-50+ points, the average record of teams that he dropped 40+ on was 39-42, and the average record of teams he dropped 50+ on was 37-45. Terrible. Kobe Bean Bryant: at his best against the worst teams.



Err, no. It's 31/6/8 in 1991, 35/6/6 in 1992, and 35/7/6 in 1993. You rounded down incorrectly (6.7 reb = 7, not 6; 5.8 assists = 6, not 5; 34.5 pts = 35, not 34 etc.).

Kobe vs good competition:

http://i52.tinypic.com/65stah.jpg

http://i53.tinypic.com/rshfyv.jpg


kobe vs bad comeptition:

http://i55.tinypic.com/532s10.jpg

[SkyR#1fanCapCou]

Right now...at some LA gym, Kobe is probably working on his shot -- shooting about 43%. Kobe doin' work...... :oldlol:


......puttin up bricks ;-)

[Ne 1]

Life must suck being a Kobe hater. These dudes are gonna be on the verge of suicide when the Lakers 3-peat in June.

We got a few months to go before you haters can put yourself out of your misery but for now..... your left with this:










http://img.discountpostersale.com/posters/PFSAAML22501/1/Kobe-Bryant---2010-NBA-Finals-Game-7---Championship-Trophy-5-Fingers-in-Studio27.jpg

[OldSchoolBBall]

Right now...at some LA gym, Kobe is probably working on his shot -- shooting about 43%. Kobe doin' work. :oldlol:

Don't forget that he works hard on both ends - he's on pace to finish the season with 90 steals and a staggering 11 blocks. Such a hard worker.

[Calabis]

Don't forget that he works hard on both ends - he's on pace to finish the season with 90 steals and a staggering 11 blocks. Such a hard worker.

:roll:
:cheers:

[branslowski]

:lol @ The hate in this thread....N!ggas debatin against Alpha Wolf just to pimp their Jordan Orgasms out..

[Calabis]

Investigation Discovery has a show called Disappeared, heard the next episode is about Kobe's performances in the NBA Finals

[lefthook00]

WCF was the real Finals during that time. He put up huge numbers.

[whoartthou]

WCF was the real Finals during that time. He put up huge numbers.
so you are telling us that KOBE, in the "real finals" could put up good numbers, but in the finals against an "inferior" team, he folded?

Shows kobe's greatness, no?
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[lefthook00]

so you are telling us that KOBE, in the "real finals" could put up good numbers, but in the finals against an "inferior" team, he folded?

Shows kobe's greatness, no?
:roll: :roll: :roll:

No, in the Finals he put up some bad numbers, some decent numbers, and some great numbers.

[whoartthou]

No, in the Finals he put up some bad numbers, some decent numbers, and some great numbers.

overall, his numbers are average at best.

He has had more atrocious performances than great.

Of course he has put in some series high ppg. Thats what happens when you chuck. Eventually, they go in :confusedshrug:

[Calabis]

Right now...at some LA gym, Kobe is probably working on his shot -- shooting about 43%. Kobe doin' work. :oldlol:

http://shutupyouidiot.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/2j44qr4.png

[Ne 1]

http://lakers.topbuzz.com/gallery/d/280491-1/Kobe+Bryant+smiles+and+places+his+hand+on+the+Lake rs+championship+trophy+while+aboard+the+parade+bus +2010.JPG

[Ne 1]

http://i420.photobucket.com/albums/pp290/DOUBLEJCARRILLO/lakers_parade_gallery_1.jpg

[whoartthou]

http://i420.photobucket.com/albums/pp290/DOUBLEJCARRILLO/lakers_parade_gallery_1.jpg
http://i55.tinypic.com/25gb53k.jpg

[Ne 1]

http://nimg.sulekha.com/sports/thumbnailfull/kobe-bryant-2009-6-17-15-50-15.jpg

[whoartthou]

http://nimg.sulekha.com/sports/thumbnailfull/kobe-bryant-2009-6-17-15-50-15.jpg
http://i53.tinypic.com/rshfyv.jpg

[rodman91]

2001 nba finals

AI - 35.6 ppg, 5.6 rpg, 3.8 apg
kobe- 24.6 ppg, 7.8 rpg, 5.8 apg

kobe was second option on offense

10 points difference is much valuable than 2 more rebounds and 2 more assists. (Almost every pass to shaq was assist in those days :lol )

Only morons or teenagers who don't know to check out youtube can say there is a big margin between Prime AI and prime Kobe.

[whoartthou]

10 points difference is much valuable than 2 more rebounds and 2 more assists. (Almost every pass to shaq was assist in those days :lol )

Only morons or teenagers who don't know to check out youtube can say there is a big margin between Prime AI and prime Kobe.

Kobe is more comparable to the AIS,TMACS,VINCE CARTERS of the world than the jordans.
:applause:

[Da_Realist]

Investigation Discovery has a show called Disappeared, heard the next episode is about Kobe's performances in the NBA Finals
:oldlol:

[SkyR#1fanCapCou]

To be fair to Shaq, he was going against Duncan and Robinson in the 01 playoffs while Kobe was going against????? Antonio McDaniels?????

[Ne 1]

http://oi52.tinypic.com/2afd2yr.jpg

http://oi55.tinypic.com/11abosx.jpg

http://oi52.tinypic.com/2l9633n.jpg

[whoartthou]

http://oi52.tinypic.com/2afd2yr.jpg

http://oi55.tinypic.com/11abosx.jpg

http://oi52.tinypic.com/2l9633n.jpg
http://i54.tinypic.com/24bu8a0.jpg

[ShaqAttack3234]

YOU MEAN EXCEPT KOBE PLAYED WITH 3 BEST PLAYERS OF ALL TIME AND STILL STUNK UP THE JOINT... :roll:

:oldlol: How good Payton and Malone are all time means nothing as far as 2004. Payton averaged 4 ppg on 32% shooting in the finals and Malone was injured and could barely move in the finals.


BTW Kobe stunk it up in 2000 as well.. He shot around the same percentage that Lebron did in 2007... Except Kobe was playing on a stacked team...

The 2000 Lakers weren't stacked. Stacked teams aren't called two man teams. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wR7P3DOCTJw


kobe- 42%
AI- 41%

AI is a point gaurd and kobe averaged 4 more assists than him

Iverson played shooting guard back when Larry Brown was his coach.


and he clearly was their best player against the best team.Kobe - 33ppg 7ast 7reb vs the Spurs (Shaq said Kobe was the best allaround player in the NBA after the series was finished)
again Kobe carried the team in the most important part...to go along with playing all 1rst or 2nd team defense

Shaq never made the first team all defense.


First of all, the Sixers gave the Lakers a much tougher fight in 2001 than the Spurs whose second leading scorer was injured. Each game of the Lakers/Sixers series was competitive with Philly winning one of them, while the Lakers swept the Spurs by an average of over 20 ppg.

And 4th quarter stats don't mean much for the 2001 playoffs because of how easily they were handling teams, Shaq was more than capable of big 4th quarters, his numbers in the 4th in the 2000 WCF and Finals were insane.

And as far as all-defensive teams? There's only one spot on the first team for centers, Shaq made the all-defensive second team in 2000 and 2001 when the DPOY was a center each season, in fact, he was second in DPOY voting in 2000.

Making the all-defensive second team as a center is equal to being on the all-defensive first team as the guard or forward who got the second most votes. Except that centers typically make a bigger defensive impact.

[Disaprine]

How come kobe keeps winning so much in basketball? :confusedshrug:
stern? god likes him?

[Quizno]

kobe gets hated on a lot but 15-20 years from now the same people saying all these negative and misleading things will be insulting the next superstar in the making saying he'll never be as good as kobe

[whoartthou]

kobe gets hated on a lot but 15-20 years from now the same people saying all these negative and misleading things will be insulting the next superstar in the making saying he'll never be as good as kobe
:roll:


There are already a good amount of kats as good as kobe right now.

Lebron/wade/durant

[MayCeltics]

How come kobe keeps winning so much in basketball? :confusedshrug:
stern? god likes him?

I don't know :confusedshrug: Maybe ShaQ had something to do with it? Horry Clutchness? Fisher Big Play ability? Twin Tower Pau/Bynum? Artest Shutdown Defense? Phil Jackson? Great Organization? :confusedshrug:

[DirkLegend41]

Rose didn't play in the Finals.


And Kobe is a career 41% shooter in the finals.

Yes he did.

[whoartthou]

How come kobe keeps winning so much in basketball? :confusedshrug:
stern? god likes him?


Its a combination. Lakers have stacked teams. Kobe plays pretty decent in the playoffs (not including the finals). And, having all-time great bigs helps a lot.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

Its a combination. Lakers have stacked teams. Kobe plays pretty decent in the playoffs (not including the finals). And, having all-time great bigs helps a lot.
now pau gasol is an all-time great big?

[DirkLegend41]

Its a combination. Lakers have stacked teams. Kobe plays pretty decent in the playoffs (not including the finals). And, having all-time great bigs helps a lot.
Pau Gasol is great? He's good but not great.

[Disaprine]

god likes him then? lol at you saying pau gasol is in shaqs league. :lol

[whoartthou]

Pau Gasol is great? He's good but not great.

like i said, its a combination.

Gasol/bynum/odom/artest (ariza). They have this unique skillset, where their lenght bothers many teams, but a lot of these players can play different positions. Odoms a prime example. Gasols automatic jumper is also another example. Also, since gasol is so good at taking his man off the dribble, it can create space down low.

thats a beastly combo. One of the best imo (Behind the celts of the 80s lakers of the 80s. comparable to the bulls trio of the 90s).

Similar to the pistons of the 2000s as well.



Like i said in some other post, if kobe played a more intelligent game (which consists of less chucking, more facilitating, and taking shots within the context of the offense), his greatness would be realized even more.
Kobe is an awesome playmaker. Too bad he resorts to hero tactics and goes into chucking mode. But that does not matter when your team constantly bails you out.

But of course, kobe homers won't admit that.

[whoartthou]

god likes him then? lol at you saying pau gasol is in shaqs league. :lol

are you thick? I am not saying gasol = shaq.

Its a COMBINATION of gasol/bynum/odom/arest (Ariza).

you dumba$$

[Disaprine]

are you thick? I am not saying gasol = shaq.

Its a COMBINATION of gasol/bynum/odom/arest (Ariza).

you dumba$$
you called him an all time great. :lol

[NBASTATMAN]

Pau Gasol is great? He's good but not great.


Dude is going to have more titles than ANY Power forward in the game not named Duncan..


He has played great in the last two playoffs.. He isn't the best player but yes he is GREAT.. He has shown and proved in the biggest games and series.. He has carried Kobe and the Lakers to last years title... GAME 7 WAS HIS COMING OUT PARTY:applause:

[KingMichael23]

like i said, its a combination.

Gasol/bynum/odom/artest (ariza). They have this unique skillset, where their lenght bothers many teams, but a lot of these players can play different positions. Odoms a prime example. Gasols automatic jumper is also another example. Also, since gasol is so good at taking his man off the dribble, it can create space down low.

thats a beastly combo. One of the best imo (Behind the celts of the 80s lakers of the 80s. comparable to the bulls trio of the 90s).

Similar to the pistons of the 2000s as well.



Like i said in some other post, if kobe played a more intelligent game (which consists of less chucking, more facilitating, and taking shots within the context of the offense), his greatness would be realized even more.
Kobe is an awesome playmaker. Too bad he resorts to hero tactics and goes into chucking mode. But that does not matter when your team constantly bails you out.

But of course, kobe homers won't admit that.
I think Kobe can chuck all the shots he wants. Take all 30 shots every game if he wants. Even if he has 0 Assists. No problem. It's just his shot selection that has been his problem his entire career.

[OldSchoolBBall]

Pau Gasol is great? He's good but not great.

He's a top 5 PF and top 3 center in the league depending on which position he's playing (and he can play both, unlike, say Amare or Boozer). He's at 19 pt/10 reb/53% FG/59% TS this year (and people are saying he's having a "bad" year) and was a legit 21/10/52+% FG big man as a first option. That's certainly great.

[NBASTATMAN]

you called him an all time great. :lol


that is how we looked at Pippen when he was playing.. Now he is THE BEST AT EVERYTHING ON THIS BOARD.. :lol


His rings and stats will be right there with Duncan if he keeps winning.. He will have won in international competition and carried TEAMS TO 50 WINS IN THE WEST...

[DirkLegend41]

Dude is going to have more titles than ANY Power forward in the game not named Duncan..


He has played great in the last two playoffs.. He isn't the best player but yes he is GREAT.. He has shown and proved in the biggest games and series.. He has carried Kobe and the Lakers to last years title... GAME 7 WAS HIS COMING OUT PARTY:applause:
Right...:rolleyes: Tim Duncan > Kevin Garnett > Dirk Nowitzki > Pau Gasol.

[Disaprine]

He has carried Kobe and the Lakers to last years title
you really believe that don't you. :roll:

http://cache3.asset-cache.net/xc/102186618.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF878921A343B2C87A49D8F5F2389449FDD7E1DA C3CF838ECCCF32FC7C1EE86A39343DFFF06BF04B24B4128C

get over it. :lol

[NBASTATMAN]

HOW COME KOBE HAS ONLY SCORED 40 PTS ONCE IN THE FINALS?


Any good answers..

[whoartthou]

you called him an all time great. :lol

he is an all-time great.

Doesn't mean he is = to shaq.

Similar to how kobe is an all-time great, but not even close to MJ.

:facepalm

[whoartthou]

I think Kobe can chuck all the shots he wants. Take all 30 shots every game if he wants. Even if he has 0 Assists. No problem. It's just his shot selection that has been his problem his entire career.

More like his IQ.

[NBASTATMAN]

Right...:rolleyes: Tim Duncan > Kevin Garnett > Dirk Nowitzki > Pau Gasol.


He has more titles than KG... Hey this is what the KOBESTANS SAY.. How is it working for PAU? :lol


Pau has actually come to play in both game 7 THE LAKERS HAVE PLAYED...

[whoartthou]

HOW COME KOBE HAS ONLY SCORED 40 PTS ONCE IN THE FINALS?


Any good answers..

To make it simple, teams that usually make the finals are good teams.

Kobe has a history of going off against bad teams.

Thus, kobe only has one 40 point game.
:rockon: :rockon:

[macpierce]

the real answer is why does he have to score 40?
now riddle me that :violin:

[Disaprine]

probably because of of shaq and having a great supporting cast around him for most of his career.

http://cache3.asset-cache.net/xc/102186618.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF878921A343B2C87A49D8F5F2389449FDD7E1DA C3CF838ECCCF32FC7C1EE86A39343DFFF06BF04B24B4128C

you mad? :lol

[whoartthou]

probably because of of shaq and having a great supporting cast around him for most of his career.

http://cache3.asset-cache.net/xc/102186618.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF878921A343B2C87A49D8F5F2389449FDD7E1DA C3CF838ECCCF32FC7C1EE86A39343DFFF06BF04B24B4128C

you mad? :lol

bro, that link is broken. Does not work

[ShaqAttack3234]

He's a top 5 PF and top 3 center in the league depending on which position he's playing (and he can play both, unlike, say Amare or Boozer). He's at 19 pt/10 reb/53% FG/59% TS this year (and people are saying he's having a "bad" year) and was a legit 21/10/52+% FG big man as a first option. That's certainly great.

Amare actually has technically played center most of his career, though he's a natural PF, but he's had to play center in those small line ups.

At power forward, I'd put Dirk and Amare over Gasol, possibly Aldridge this season as well, so yeah, he's top 3-4 at that position.

At center? Only Howard is better, unless you go by the position they play most in which case Amare would qualify, but most consider him a power forward, so you could easily say Pau is a top 2 center and a top 3-4 power forward.

[Disaprine]

he is an all-time great.

Doesn't mean he is = to shaq.

Similar to how kobe is an all-time great, but not even close to MJ.

:facepalm
alright just making sure. :lol there some people out there who believe pau>kobe. :lol

[NBASTATMAN]

To make it simple, teams that usually make the finals are good teams.

Kobe has a history of going off against bad teams.

Thus, kobe only has one 40 point game.
:rockon: :rockon:


Best answer yet.. :applause:

[Disaprine]

bro, that link is broken. Does not work
iam trying to find a good picture of bill russell giving kobe his second FMVP, does anyone have one?

[rodman91]

Kobe is more comparable to the AIS,TMACS,VINCE CARTERS of the world than the jordans.
:applause:

True and it's not something bad.All of them were great players of 00's.

Here on ish, many people downgrade other players to praise their man crush.

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

My point is that Kobe is called one of the greatest scorers in history.. Yet he has 1 40 pt game in the FINALS....


I figured I would ask the question. WHY? I mean there are games where he has taken 28 shots and scored less than 30 pts..


Maybe we should really take a look at how we look at kobe.. Is he really a great scorer..


His career was going downhill till the new no touch rules came into effect...

6th All time in Scoring
2 Scoring titles
Averaged 40 ppg for a month
Averaged 35ppg in a season
Lakers All time leading scorer
81 Points in a single game
Can score in multiple ways

Yeahhhh he's not a great scorer after all :applause:

[Disaprine]

found one.

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2009/0614/nba_g_kobe_russell_576.jpg

:applause:

[Bandito]

whats lebrons career high in the finals?

lebron never topped 30
I don't think he got 25 :lol

[KingLeBronJames]

HOW COME KOBE HAS ONLY SCORED 40 PTS ONCE IN THE FINALS?


Any good answers..
HOW COME LARRY BIRD HAS NEVER ONCE SCORED 40 POINTS IN THE FINALS?

[dynasty1978]

Best answer yet.. :applause:

Or the one you want to hear :lol

Please, Kobe's 40 pt games vs. the Spurs defenses in the WC playoffs were far more impressive than say a 40 pt game vs. the Nets, Sixers, or Pacers in the finals.

[DixieNourmous]

HOW COME LARRY BIRD HAS NEVER ONCE SCORED 40 POINTS IN THE FINALS?

Good point:applause:

[rodman91]

you called him an all time great. :lol

Pau Gasol is an all time great.He proved that in Nba as francise player and in Lakers at finals. Also he had success in team spain in tournaments.

He got stats,achivements and skill enough to be all time great.

[Bandito]

lets PLEASE not compare kobrick cryant to a 21 year old taking a pathetic scrub team to its first finals appearance in franchise history by going 1 on 5 rambo taking out a championship team all by himself (pistons)........ cavs were NOT supposed to be there and lebron couldnt keep up with his EPIC 25++++ points in 4th quarter clutch performances and triple doubles every single game
that 1 on 5 rambo team got exposed by a REAL TEAM

put lebron in the finals now and u will see what he will do
he will put up the greatest finals performance everNo he won't. What will probably happen is the Heat are getting swept by insert random TEAM here and then deferring to Wade when team start to guard him and the pressure starts to get to him and go to Lehog mode.:facepalm

[ShaqAttack3234]

Or the one you want to hear :lol

Please, Kobe's 40 pt games vs. the Spurs defenses in the WC playoffs were far more impressive than say a 40 pt game vs. the Nets, Sixers, or Pacers in the finals.

The Sixers were a great defensive team in 2001, pretty much on par with the Spurs. The Nets were also a very good defensive team, but yeah, Kobe's numerous big playoff games/series shouldn't be overlooked just because they didn't happen in the finals. He's been great the last 3 years in the playoffs, not many have had playoff runs like his last run or his 2001 run, or even his 2002 playoff run.

[whoartthou]

6th All time in Scoring
2 Scoring titles
Averaged 40 ppg for a month
Averaged 35ppg in a season
Lakers All time leading chucker
81 Points in a single game
Can score in multiple ways

Yeahhhh he's not a great scorer after all :applause:

fixed

[FlashDwyaneWade3]

HOW COME LARRY BIRD HAS NEVER ONCE SCORED 40 POINTS IN THE FINALS?
I'm surprised that Bird never scored 40 in the NBA Finals.

[whoartthou]

The Sixers were a great defensive team in 2001, pretty much on par with the Spurs. The Nets were also a very good defensive team, but yeah, Kobe's numerous big playoff games/series shouldn't be overlooked just because they didn't happen in the finals. He's been great the last 3 years in the playoffs, not many have had playoff runs like his last run or his 2001 run, or even his 2002 playoff run.

This is what pisses me off.

If kobe is so "great" and plays "great' in the WCF and previous series against "superior" talent, than why does he suck a$$ against INFERIOR teams in the finals?

Did kobe think: "eff it, we just won the "real" finals. I won't even try in the finals since we will win anyways?"

[dynasty1978]

The Sixers were a great defensive team in 2001, pretty much on par with the Spurs. The Nets were also a very good defensive team, but yeah, Kobe's numerous big playoff games/series shouldn't be overlooked just because they didn't happen in the finals. He's been great the last 3 years in the playoffs, not many have had playoff runs like his last run or his 2001 run, or even his 2002 playoff run.

No disagreement there, good point. Was simply pointing out the foolishness of suggesting that Bryant can't hang 40 on a good team. I feel a bit ridiculous being baited into the discussion, given the obvious agenda...frankly, anyone who watches the Lakers know full well, that they're better served with a balanced offense.

[whoartthou]

I'm surprised that Bird never scored 40 in the NBA Finals.

i am not to be honest. Bird was more of a guy who played within the context of the offense.

Also, having mchale and other greats to carry the scoring burden helped tremendously

[Bandito]

U :mad:

Look it up or shut up.. I don't have to look it up cuz I had cable tv unlike most of you broke arse kids... LOL... I saw that myself...
u troll;l If I could rep you I would:roll:

[Disaprine]

bird never scored 40+ points because he and kobe have a great supporting cast around them, thats why. and to the op, you can expect kobe to get his 3rd straight finals mvp.

http://i41.tinypic.com/e17rrc.jpg

[FlashDwyaneWade3]

How come Kobe does great in the Western Conference Finals but doesn't do that well in the NBA Finals? (Except for 2001 and 2009) Kobe has destroyed the Spurs many times in the WCF, Suns, Kings, etc.

[whoartthou]

No disagreement there, good point. Was simply pointing out the foolishness of suggesting that Bryant can't hang 40 on a good team. I feel a bit ridiculous being baited into the discussion, given the obvious agenda...frankly, anyone who watches the Lakers know full well, that they're better served with a balanced offense.

cannot agree anymore. Maybe kobe should stop chucking so much? It would, afterall, be much better for the team, no?

[whoartthou]

How come Kobe does great in the Western Conference Finals but doesn't do that well in the NBA Finals? (Except for 2001 and 2009) Kobe has destroyed the Spurs many times in the WCF, Suns, Kings, etc.

Because, those are the "real" finals. Kobe was too busy chillaxing in the finals.

[OldSchoolBBall]

HOW COME LARRY BIRD HAS NEVER ONCE SCORED 40 POINTS IN THE FINALS?

He was busy handing out 7+ assists 14 times in 5 Finals series (Kobe's had 7+ assists just 8 times in 7 Finals series, by comparison). Bird was also busy grabbing 10+ boards a whopping 21 times (including 5 games of 15+ boards and 3 games of 21 rebounds) in 5 Finals, whereas Kobe grabbed 10+ boards just 4 times in 7 Finals series.

[whoartthou]

He was busy handing out 7+ assists 14 times in 5 Finals series (Kobe's had 7+ assists just 8 times in 7 Finals series, by comparison). Bird was also busy grabbing 10+ boards a whopping 21 times (including 5 games of 15+ boards and 3 games of 21 rebounds) in 5 Finals, whereas Kobe grabbed 10+ boards just 4 times in 7 Finals series.

Bird was also too busy playing team ball in those finals.

Kobe was on a mission to get his own, regardless of how it affected his team.

Fortunately, he has had a great supporting cast to bail his ass out.

[NBASTATMAN]

u troll;l If I could rep you I would:roll:



He asked me to look it up.. :lol

We just wet the bed," Kobe said. "A nice big one, too. One of the ones you can't put a towel over. It was terrible."




http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2008/columns/story?columnist=stein_marc&page=Gm4-080613

[whoartthou]

He asked me to look it up.. :lol

We just wet the bed," Kobe said. "A nice big one, too. One of the ones you can't put a towel over. It was terrible."




http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2008/columns/story?columnist=stein_marc&page=Gm4-080613
:roll: :roll:


BUT BUT BUT BUT... Kobe takes the most difficult shots!

[NBASTATMAN]

Because, those are the "real" finals. Kobe was too busy chillaxing in the finals.


he felt like chilling... :roll:


Don't worry my team got my back in the Finals.. Or I will yell at them.. :roll:

[bleedinpurpleTwo]

dont care if he scored 40 or 4.
he gave my squad 5 rings....and thats more than any other player in the league today.

[whoartthou]

dont care if he scored 40 or 4.
he gave my squad 5 rings....and thats more than any other player in the league today.

GOAT KOBE :applause:

[lakerspng]

wow there are some flat out idiots in here.

Kobe's been one of the greatest players in our franchise's history. He's given 110% every time he stepped on the floor for us. Because of his efforts he's helped bring 5 championships to the team. He's never been perfect. No one is. But he's been a blessing to the lakers his entire career and brought us fans 14 years of amazing performances. If that deserves hate, bring it on.

[The Iron Fist]

Bird was also too busy playing team ball in those finals.

Kobe was on a mission to get his own, regardless of how it affected his team.

Fortunately, he has had a great supporting cast to bail his ass out.


How it affected his team?

His team won the whole shebang five times.

[branslowski]

:roll: :roll:


BUT BUT BUT BUT... Kobe takes the most difficult shots!
:oldlol: @ Ginobli troll account trolling.

[SavageMode]

:roll: :roll:


BUT BUT BUT BUT... Kobe takes the most difficult shots!
:applause: :roll:

[branslowski]

:applause: :roll:

That was funny?...:lol

[whoartthou]

:oldlol: @ Ginobli troll account trolling.

yo, can't you check if me and that ginobli dood are on at the same time? I ain't that kat.

[branslowski]

yo, can't you check if me and that ginobli dood are on at the same time? I ain't that kat.

No, cause you in invisable mode with that account...And also you logged out of this account, then logged back in after I made my remark.

:lol 200+ post just for trolling.

[whoartthou]

No, cause you in invisable mode with that account...And also you logged out of this account, then logged back in after I made my remark.

:lol 200+ post just for trolling.

this kid really thinks i am ginobli? :roll:

Someone message ginobli and tell him to log on. I will be right here.

[branslowski]

this kid really thinks i am ginobli? :roll:

Someone message ginobli and tell him to log on. I will be right here.

:lol Right....Please, don't let me get in the way of your trolling though.

[whoartthou]

:lol Right....Please, don't let me get in the way of your trolling though.

no really, what makes you think i am ginobli. This is intriguing.

[branslowski]

no really, what makes you think i am ginobli. This is intriguing.

I just picked up on some of your posting and style wording...It's pretty obvious.

[whoartthou]

I just picked up on some of your posting and style wording...It's pretty obvious.

if it is indeed obvious, then when he logs in, you can check to see both of us on.

Shit, i can post at the same time as he does if you want me to as well BRAH

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

dont care if he scored 40 or 4.
he gave my squad 5 rings....and thats more than any other player in the league today.
this.

[branslowski]

if it is indeed obvious, then when he logs in, you can check to see both of us on.

Shit, i can post at the same time as he does if you want me to as well BRAH

You can never tell when you log on to your Ginobli account cause you in invisable mode....Again, doesn't matter, I can respect a good troll cycle...It's obvious what you and your little buddies are doing, it's funny...

[whoartthou]

You can never tell when you log on to your Ginobli account cause you in invisable mode....Again, doesn't matter, I can respect a good troll cycle...It's obvious what you and your little buddies are doing, it's funny...
this kid...

[branslowski]

this kid...

Come on....Don't act like your out of words now cause Branslowski just got on.:lol

[NBASTATMAN]

Come on....Don't act like your out of words now cause Branslowski just got on.:lol


brainless.. LOL :lol

What is up? .. Michael jackson swag... :roll: :roll: :roll:

[branslowski]

brainless.. LOL :lol

What is up? .. Michael jackson swag... :roll: :roll: :roll:

Sup kid, I see you trolling....Cool shit.

[Ne 1]

Sup kid, I see you trolling....Cool shit.

I actually don't mind some of the trolls, since some of them are entertaining but NBASTATGEEK is almost as lame as DuMass with his stale trolling.

[NBASTATMAN]

I actually don't mind some of the trolls, since some of them are entertaining but NBASTATGEEK is almost as lame as DuMass with his stale trolling.


you are mad at me... :roll: :roll: :roll:


Except my trolling is done with brilliance... :rockon:

[branslowski]

I actually don't mind some of the trolls, since some of them are entertaining but NBASTATGEEK is almost as lame as DuMass with his stale trolling.

Oh, I don't mind trolling....I like it if it makes me laugh...NBAStatgeek is a lame, but, hey, all good, isn't like anything he's saying has any effect on something.

[NBASTATMAN]

Oh, I don't mind trolling....I like it if it makes me laugh...NBAStatgeek is a lame, but, hey, all good, isn't like anything he's saying has any effect on something.


You can't laugh cuz I kill y'all... :rockon:

[Calabis]

6th All time in Scoring
2 Scoring titles
Averaged 40 ppg for a month
Averaged 35ppg in a season
Lakers All time leading scorer
81 Points in a single game
Can score in multiple ways

Yeahhhh he's not a great scorer after all :applause:

:roll: According to you morons he is better than a guy with 10 scoring titles

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

First things first, Kobe didn't even win the last two championships as a leader of the team. Pau Gasol was most responsible for the Lakers winning two championships. Kobe was able to capitalize on having another dominant big that had more impact than him. The Lakers record before Fisher and Pau Gasol made an entrance into the Lakers uniform was 121-125, they weren't even a playoff team with that record, but when Fisher returned, the Lakers were 29-16. When Gasol came through, their record was 28-9 and HE was responsible getting them past the first round, not Kobe. In 2 seasons and 37 games, the Lakers record [since they have acquired Pau Gasol] is 138-45! Pau is the most important piece of this Los Angeles Lakers team.

18.9ppg at an impressive 56.7%[57%] from the field, 12.9 FGA, 9.6rpg, 1.0bpg, 3.5apg

http://lakersblog.latimes.com/lakersblog/2009/03/the-value-of-pa.html
"How does this relate to Gasol? He is fourth in the league in Win Shares and actually leads the Lakers(scroll to the "Advanced" list at the bottom), despite playing one less game than Kobe Bryant. Last year, Bryant amassed 14.3 Win Shares, good for fourth best in the league (Chris Paul put up a league-best 17.3). Gasol joined the Lakers and finished with 4.7 Win Shares in 27 games. Pro-rated for an entire season, that pans out to, you guessed it, 14.3 win shares."

[crosso√er]

Come on ANOTHER Kobe thread on the 1st page?
There are other players in this league you guys can discuss/torture. :facepalm

[dynasty1978]

Come on ANOTHER Kobe thread on the 1st page?
There are other players in this league you guys can discuss/torture. :facepalm

NBASTATMAN: Must create Kobe topic... to deflect criticism....of Miami Heat :D

[NBASTATMAN]

NBASTATMAN: Must create Kobe topic... to deflect criticism....of Miami Heat :D


I made this before Miami lost... Not really a Miami fan.. Wade fan yes..

Lebron is overrated.. But I do like using him against KobeSTANfans. :lol

[dynasty1978]

I made this before Miami lost... Not really a Miami fan.. Wade fan yes..

Lebron is overrated.. But I do like using him against KobeSTANfans. :lol

Just sayin there is a consistent pattern given your contribution to Heat and Laker game threads when either team loses (deflect/apologize for Heat screw ups, pile on LA/Kobe). But at least your open about your hate, which is more than I can say for others who pass themselves off as objective.

[NBASTATMAN]

Just sayin there is a consistent pattern given your contribution to Heat and Laker game threads when either team loses (deflect/apologize for Heat screw ups, pile on LA/Kobe). But at least your open about your hate, which is more than I can say for others who pass themselves off as objective.


Read my posts about the HEAT.. I have also explained that Wade was horrible on defense.. Lebron could not play without the ball and well Bosh is Bosh... I have also called them pretenders... They are pretenders...


No superstar tandems ever work... Especially when Both are ball hoggin players.. While I am a Wade fan I also state that he has lots to learn about playing the SG position... His jumper has been horrible and that hurts his team.. Sure he can drive but as soon as Lebron joined him that meant he or Lebron had to become more of a shooter..

Neither of these two numbnuts understand basketball so they thought they would be able to play the same style of basketball...


SHAQ, MALONE, KOBE, PAYTON,

pippen, kareem, barkley

wilt, elgin, and west


How many titles did they win together? Basketball is a team game..


As for Kobe I respect his game and have stated that I believe he will wind up 5-7 as on the ALL TIME CHARTS..


I do get a kick out of messing with KOBESTANS THOUGH...

[dynasty1978]

Read my posts about the HEAT.. I have also explained that Wade was horrible on defense.. Lebron could not play without the ball and well Bosh is Bosh... I have also called them pretenders... They are pretenders...


No superstar tandems ever work... Especially when Both are ball hoggin players.. While I am a Wade fan I also state that he has lots to learn about playing the SG position... His jumper has been horrible and that hurts his team.. Sure he can drive but as soon as Lebron joined him that meant he or Lebron had to become more of a shooter..

Neither of these two numbnuts understand basketball so they thought they would be able to play the same style of basketball...


SHAQ, MALONE, KOBE, PAYTON,

pippen, kareem, barkley

wilt, elgin, and west


How many titles did they win together? Basketball is a team game..


As for Kobe I respect his game and have stated that I believe he will wind up 5-7 as on the ALL TIME CHARTS..


I do get a kick out of messing with KOBESTANS THOUGH...

I think you meant pippen, HAKEEM, barkley, but I get your point. I tend to think that Miami will eventually win with some adjustments to personell (and the decline of the championship teams like LA and Boston). Looking at the 04 Lakers, there wasn't a person out there that realistically thought the Pistons would take them out. In fact, as a Laker fan, I really thought the team had finally figured it out (in terms of chemistry) after stunning the Spurs by winning 4 straight to close.

[ShaqAttack3234]

Read my posts about the HEAT.. I have also explained that Wade was horrible on defense.. Lebron could not play without the ball and well Bosh is Bosh... I have also called them pretenders... They are pretenders...


No superstar tandems ever work... Especially when Both are ball hoggin players.. While I am a Wade fan I also state that he has lots to learn about playing the SG position... His jumper has been horrible and that hurts his team.. Sure he can drive but as soon as Lebron joined him that meant he or Lebron had to become more of a shooter..

Neither of these two numbnuts understand basketball so they thought they would be able to play the same style of basketball...

SHAQ, MALONE, KOBE, PAYTON,

pippen, kareem, barkley


Once again, Malone was what? 40 years old and injured while Payton was declining and a bad fit. He gave them 8/3/5 on 37% shooting in the playoffs. Payton was an average point guard at best by that point and played like a below average point guard in the playoffs. It's obvious now that it wasn't the super talented lineup it sounds like on paper. You have to consider how good those players were at that point instead of what they had done in their primes.

Malone played well when he was healthy, but not a top 10 PF that year. Payton wasn't a top 10 point guard either. Stop just listing those names and acting like they were all-star or hall of fame caliber players by that point. The fact that Kobe lost with Malone and Payton doesn't mean anything considering the level they played at by that point.

As far as Pippen, Barkley and Hakeem? Once again, you're forgetting their age. Hakeem was 36, Barkley was 35 and Pippen was 33, plus all 3 were coming off injury-plagued seasons. Hakeem had played in just 47 games the previous year, Pippen had played in just 44 games the previous year and Barkley had played in 68, and he started only 41 of them telling you what stage of his career he was in.

This is in no way comparable to Lebron, Wade and Bosh teaming up in their primes with Lebron and Bosh only 26 and Wade only 29. And I agree that they're not a perfect fit together, but :roll: at comparing this Heat team to the '04 Lakers or '99 Rockets. Miami definitely has more talent.

[hitmanyr2k]

HOW COME LARRY BIRD HAS NEVER ONCE SCORED 40 POINTS IN THE FINALS?

Because Bird played a true all-around game and was really never about himself or point totals. He simply did it all.

The thing I'm surprised about that no one has mentioned is Kobe stat-padded like a MF just to get that one 40 point game against the Magic in the '09 Finals :oldlol: Even when Orlando was down 25+ in the 4th Kobe was throwing up shot after shot to pad that point total. And it took him 34 shots to get those 40 points. It wasn't really an epic game by any means.

[NBASTATMAN]

Once again, Malone was what? 40 years old and injured while Payton was declining and a bad fit. He gave them 8/3/5 on 37% shooting in the playoffs. Payton was an average point guard at best by that point and played like a below average point guard in the playoffs. It's obvious now that it wasn't the super talented lineup it sounds like on paper. You have to consider how good those players were at that point instead of what they had done in their primes.

Malone played well when he was healthy, but not a top 10 PF that year. Payton wasn't a top 10 point guard either. Stop just listing those names and acting like they were all-star or hall of fame caliber players by that point. The fact that Kobe lost with Malone and Payton doesn't mean anything considering the level they played at by that point.

As far as Pippen, Barkley and Hakeem? Once again, you're forgetting their age. Hakeem was 36, Barkley was 35 and Pippen was 33, plus all 3 were coming off injury-plagued seasons. Hakeem had played in just 47 games the previous year, Pippen had played in just 44 games the previous year and Barkley had played in 68, and he started only 41 of them telling you what stage of his career he was in.

This is in no way comparable to Lebron, Wade and Bosh teaming up in their primes with Lebron and Bosh only 26 and Wade only 29. And I agree that they're not a perfect fit together, but :roll: at comparing this Heat team to the '04 Lakers or '99 Rockets. Miami definitely has more talent.


I was showing that teams with three number one options usually fail to win titles..

barkley, drexler, hakeem
wilt, elgin, west
shaq,kobe, payton, malone,
PIPPEN, BARKLEY, HAKEEM


I would agree with Miami being more talented than 99 ROCKETS but I mistyped and meanth to say .. Drexler, barkley, and hakeem.. Still they are not better than them three as well... But the current Miami team is not on THE 2004 LAKER TEAMS LEVEL...

Not with Shaq at center, kobe at two, payton at pt and Karl at the 4.. They also had fisher.. Shaq was still by far better than any player in the game.. Kobe was probably the best perimeter player .. Payton avg 20 and 8 assist the year before...


Karl Malone was a bit older but he still avg 20 pts and 8 reb the season before he played with the Lakers.. Horace grant off the bench, with fisher, STAN MEDVEDENKO,rush.. Most importantly they had PHIL JACKSON...


The current Miami team is very talented but not as good as that 2004 lakers team who wound up with a better record with Karl Malone missing a good amount of games... This HEAT team would scuk if one of the big three got hurt.. They are way too thin down low..

Besides bron, bosh, and wade which other player has avg 20 pts last season.. Malone was still great on defense as well.. He did a great job shutting down Tim Duncan in the playoffs..

That Laker team had one of the best front lines in bball if not the best that year.. With possibly the best backcourt as well...

I would say that Karl and Shaq didn't really fit.. And that Payton and kobe fit even less... It doesn't mean they were less talented than the current TRIO OF THE HEAT...

[Bigsmoke]

Wade has 2

[ShaqAttack3234]

I was showing that teams with three number one options usually fail to win titles..

barkley, drexler, hakeem
wilt, elgin, west
shaq,kobe, payton, malone,
PIPPEN, BARKLEY, HAKEEM


I would agree with Miami being more talented than 99 ROCKETS but I mistyped and meanth to say .. Drexler, barkley, and hakeem.. Still they are not better than them three as well... But the current Miami team is not on THE 2004 LAKER TEAMS LEVEL...

Not with Shaq at center, kobe at two, payton at pt and Karl at the 4.. They also had fisher.. Shaq was still by far better than any player in the game.. Kobe was probably the best perimeter player .. Payton avg 20 and 8 assist the year before...


Karl Malone was a bit older but he still avg 20 pts and 8 reb the season before he played with the Lakers.. Horace grant off the bench, with fisher, STAN MEDVEDENKO,rush.. Most importantly they had PHIL JACKSON...


The current Miami team is very talented but not as good as that 2004 lakers team who wound up with a better record with Karl Malone missing a good amount of games... This HEAT team would scuk if one of the big three got hurt.. They are way too thin down low..

Besides bron, bosh, and wade which other player has avg 20 pts last season.. Malone was still great on defense as well.. He did a great job shutting down Tim Duncan in the playoffs..

That Laker team had one of the best front lines in bball if not the best that year.. With possibly the best backcourt as well...

I would say that Karl and Shaq didn't really fit.. And that Payton and kobe fit even less... It doesn't mean they were less talented than the current TRIO OF THE HEAT...

Karl was a good fit, but what the hell do you mean three number 1 options? On the 1999 Rockets, none of those players were legit championship-caliber first options.

And Malone was not a first option by 2004, Payton was nowhere near one either, first option level players don't average 8/3/5 on 37% shooting in the playoffs. Like I said, neither were even top 10 at their position so horrible example.

Slava Medvedenko? :roll: Fisher shot 35% in the 2004 season. Horace Grant? He was 38.

Sorry, but the 2004 Lakers were definitely not as talented as the current Heat. It's not debatable. In fact, the current Heat have more talent than any of Phil's Laker teams. The difference is that their duos don't have as good chemistry as Shaq and Kobe and Kobe and Pau.

If you could get a healthy season out of Bynum then you could argue the current Lakers have as much talent.

[LeFraud Shames]

11 games straight last year in the playoffs avg over 30 pts

he is the closest player in the nba to get close to jordans numbers

everyone talks trash about kobes rape charges when jordan did the same thing.. 20 years after kobe has retired the arguement will be "who was the greatest player of all time kobe or jordan?"

just look at his numbers you guys need to stop with the kobe talk because it just keeps him in the limelight.

to answer your question , he doesnt need to score over 40 pts a game with a good supporting cast**

if he scores most of his teams pts everyone says hes being a ballhog, yall crazy

[Burgz]

he doesnt need to score 40, and who cares :confusedshrug:

that's what the thread is about, that's why it matters

[blablabla]

I bet Kobe has problems sleeping at night, what use is five NBA championships if you didn't shoot 55/45/95, get 45/10/10 every game, use Dick Bavettas head to polish the hardwood, and go home and sleep with both your wife and Katelyn Faber at the same time.

Lakers would have been better off with Jerry Stackhouse. Maybe they would have less rings, but since rings don't count when you have a good team it wouldnt matter anyway.
:roll: :roll:
great post

[indiefan24]

I like how there's a new Kobe thread every week that is a slight variation on the previous week's and has all the same posters posting the same ole shit.

It's like clockwork.

[flipogb]

I like how hes been in the finals so many times that people actually can worry about how many 40 pt games he has

[winwin]

I like how there's a new Kobe thread every week that is a slight variation on the previous week's and has all the same posters posting the same ole shit.

It's like clockwork.

lebron stans/kobe haters such as:
ginobli
DuMa
Knoe Itawl
Bruce Blitz
NBASTATMAN

just like ''the low self esteem prostitute who wishes to see much more women engaged in prostitution".


and those guys are the prostitutes of ISH
and their hero '' lebrick'' is the prostitute of NBA

[Lakers13]

So to be great you have to have scored multiple 40 point games in the Finals now? I dont get it :confusedshrug:

[Mark Madsen]

Kobe couldn't even win with 4 HOFers on his team in 2004 along with Shaq, who was shooting 60% and over powering everybody? GOAT performance right there

[LastChanceToWin]

Kobe chokes in the clutch.

[Colby Brian]

Kobe chokes in the clutch.

:facepalm

your mom chokes on my c*ck every night

[whoartthou]

Because Bird played a true all-around game and was really never about himself or point totals. He simply did it all.

The thing I'm surprised about that no one has mentioned is Kobe stat-padded like a MF just to get that one 40 point game against the Magic in the '09 Finals :oldlol: Even when Orlando was down 25+ in the 4th Kobe was throwing up shot after shot to pad that point total. And it took him 34 shots to get those 40 points. It wasn't really an epic game by any means.
:roll: :roll:

BUT, BUT, BUT, kobe takes the most difficult shots!

[OldSchoolBBall]

Because Bird played a true all-around game and was really never about himself or point totals. He simply did it all.

The thing I'm surprised about that no one has mentioned is Kobe stat-padded like a MF just to get that one 40 point game against the Magic in the '09 Finals Even when Orlando was down 25+ in the 4th Kobe was throwing up shot after shot to pad that point total. And it took him 34 shots to get those 40 points. It wasn't really an epic game by any means.

lol I thought I was the only one who remembered this. I was like "why the hell is he even in the game, much less shot-jacking midway through the 4th up 20+?" It was so blatant. :oldlol:

[quick96]

I can smell the fear oozing from the Michael "90's cupcake" Jordan stans.. the fear that their beloved Nike product is about to be dethroned by Kobe "the G.O.A.T." Bryant... HA!

PATHETIC!!!

[Deuce Bigalow]

lets PLEASE not compare kobrick cryant to a 21 year old taking a pathetic scrub team to its first finals appearance in franchise history by going 1 on 5 rambo taking out a championship team all by himself (pistons)........ cavs were NOT supposed to be there and lebron couldnt keep up with his EPIC 25++++ points in 4th quarter clutch performances and triple doubles every single game
that 1 on 5 rambo team got exposed by a REAL TEAM

put lebron in the finals now and u will see what he will do
he will put up the greatest finals performance ever
3/16/2011
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[hitmanyr2k]

Ahhhh pauk. How can you not laugh at that quote :oldlol:

[dude77]

http://images4.fanpop.com/image/user_images/2131000/AlphaWolf-2131534_297_297.jpg

:roll:

[TheSilentKiller]

This thread is almost unreadable. I don't know how people can manage to post frequently in the NBA forum.

[kNicKz]

http://i52.tinypic.com/24ya73s.jpg

[Heavincent]

3/16/2011
:roll: :roll: :roll:

http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/mj-laughing.gif

[AlphaWolf24]

3/16/2011
:roll: :roll: :roll:

:oldlol:

[rodman91]

Is it insecurity or overconfidence that people laughing at Pauk's last year prediction just before '12 playoffs?

[Kiddlovesnets]

5 rings, 7 finals apperances :D

umm this... The first three are just gifts from Shaq.

[Legends66NBA7]

umm this... The first three are just gifts from Shaq.

With Kobe still holding his own, at times.

Oh, by the way, go here:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=260773

[CavaliersFTW]

Crippled old man Wilt in a Lakers uniform produce more NBA finals points than always-the-first-option scorer Kobe? Dude was nothing but a 34 year old defensive role player who had crude 1970's knee surgery only months before and he still outscored prime GawdBe's best finals performance by 5 points :roll:

[LA_Showtime]

A combination of Shaq's presence, playing great defenses, and forcing the issue instead of letting the game come to him. I would argue the latter has the most weight.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Crippled old man Wilt in a Lakers uniform produce more NBA finals points than always-the-first-option scorer Kobe? Dude was nothing but a 34 year old defensive role player who had crude 1970's knee surgery only months before and he still outscored prime GawdBe's best finals performance by 5 points :roll:
Kobe - 5
Wilt - 2

lol

Chamberlain never averaged 30 ppg in a finals series lol. And that was in a weak era lolol

[returnofthemack]

he doesnt need to score 40, and who cares :confusedshrug:

i dont like or hate kobe myself but who gives a shit if he scores 40 or more in the finals? all that matters is in the end you get those rings. scoring 40 points is great and all but you can have a great game while scoring in the 25-30 range with other factors in play.