Obama is a shithead

[Nick Young]

Is anyone regretting voting for this asshole yet?

I am glad I voted for nobody, so I dont feel responsible personally for this bullshit Obama has been leading us into.

He's such a lying dickhead, he won the f*cking Nobel Prize for peace and has sent americans to be slaughtered in Iraq, Afghanistan and now Libya. Every speech he makes he tries to spin everything around and make it seem like the noble choice, and he is fooling alot of idiots seemingly, those who still blindly support him and his bank bailouts and mythical healthcare plan that probably will be run horribly once it comes in to operation.

Politically he has pissed off both the left and the right and he cant get anything to pass.

Dickhead also said he'd close Gitmo his first day in office-O WAIT WHYS IT STILL OPEN?

Obama is a shithead, anyone who voted for him should feel ashamed of themselves

[thatoneblackguy]

He's just a puppet. Doesn't matter who you vote for. False Left/Right Paradigm keeps us fighting each other. Divide & Conquer + Deception = Success

[JohnnySic]

He's just a puppet. Doesn't matter who you vote for. False Left/Right Paradigm keeps us fighting each other. Divide & Conquer + Deception = Success

Yep.

And Obama isn't getting reeleceted. First time around it was a feel-good story, nothing more.

[LilBTheBasedGod]

Don't hate, appreciate, While the Bill Clinton, consummates

[Premeditated]

I voted for Obama because he's black and I'll do it again in 2012 just for he fukk of it.

[irondarts]

I voted for him because he felt like the better candidate than Mccain/Palin. I don't think not voting is any better. But w/e. I agree with you otherwise, he hasn't been a good president at all, but Mccain/Palin wouldn't have been any better imo. He won't get re-relected, that's for sure.

[LilBTheBasedGod]

I voted for Obama because he's black and I'll do it again in 2012 just for he fukk of it.

Convicted rapists aren't allowed to vote, they are criminals.

[DRoseOwnsACamry]

Is anyone regretting voting for this asshole yet?

I am glad I voted for nobody, so I dont feel responsible personally for this bullshit Obama has been leading us into.

He's such a lying dickhead, he won the f*cking Nobel Prize for peace and has sent americans to be slaughtered in Iraq, Afghanistan and now Libya. Every speech he makes he tries to spin everything around and make it seem like the noble choice, and he is fooling alot of idiots seemingly, those who still blindly support him and his bank bailouts and mythical healthcare plan that probably will be run horribly once it comes in to operation.

Politically he has pissed off both the left and the right and he cant get anything to pass.

Dickhead also said he'd close Gitmo his first day in office-O WAIT WHYS IT STILL OPEN?

Obama is a shithead, anyone who voted for him should feel ashamed of themselves
I absolutely guarantee you that McCain would've been much, much worse.

[Is He Ill]

He's just a puppet. Doesn't matter who you vote for. False Left/Right Paradigm keeps us fighting each other. Divide & Conquer + Deception = Success

This right here.

[Premeditated]

Convicted rapists aren't allowed to vote, they are criminals.
I think you have me mistaken for Pete, Mr. TennesseeFan.

[Rasheed1]

Voting for Obama... Im not surprised at all that Obama has not gotten it done as president


but we have to remember


Your choice was him or Palin/McCain..

As disappointed as Iam in Obama, I still think we went the right way at the fork in the road...

The problem is that we are left with piss poor choices for president... Both people candidates are corporate puppets with no real allegiance to the American public.

we wont ever have a real president until we vote that person in regardless of who the media tells you can win and who cannot.

[The_Night_Elf]

Is anyone regretting voting for this asshole yet?

I am glad I voted for nobody, so I dont feel responsible personally for this bullshit Obama has been leading us into.



Doesn't not voting make you a bit repsonsible for putting him into office?:confusedshrug:

[Harion]

ask not what your country can do for you...

[ashbelly]

ask not what your country can do for you...
:cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

[ashbelly]

Doesn't not voting make you a bit repsonsible for putting him into office?:confusedshrug:

not voting is being ignorant, if you didn't vote, don't complain about shit:cheers:

[Penny37]

The government is pretty much run by wall street no matter who's in office.

[Ruh-Roh]

If you don't vote, just shut up.

[Godzuki]

The government is pretty much run by wall street no matter who's in office.


You mean the right wing are. Its so dumb how they have so many people on the right defending the top 1% income vs everyone else exaggerating socialism.

I do have regrets voting for Obama, since him and Hillary are too much of do-gooders than looking out for ourselves policy, and considering we're likely headed into another recession this time next year, we need to tighten up. If anything comes of Libya i'll blame Obama but i still put Iraq and Afghanistan on Bush.

[Go Getter]

He's just a puppet. Doesn't matter who you vote for. False Left/Right Paradigm keeps us fighting each other. Divide & Conquer + Deception = Success
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c126/Ucantbserious/52eb6e6a7e7f8b56f077579cea6279df.gif

[JtotheIzzo]

that's racist, like calling an Asian a plsshead.

[Go Getter]

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c126/Ucantbserious/5158b54f052231774ba3d1cf5c4526d6.gif

[rufuspaul]

Meet the new boss.




Same as the old boss.

[Nick Young]

If you don't vote, just shut up.
So it is better to vote for a candidate you have no faith in then it is to not vote at all?

It is better to vote for a third party candidate you have faith in even if you know they wont get more than a few thousand votes and your vote will be wasted?

It is better to vote for one of the two major parties even though they basically believe in the same shit and both are not aiming to accomplish any of the goals you feel America should be working towards?

So basically what you're saying is it's better to vote for a shithead than it is to not vote at all.

[Jailblazers7]

People not voting for 3rd party candidates because they feel it wont matter is the reason we are so dominated by a two party systems. Contrary to popular belief, it is worth it to vote for someone other than Dems and Republicans.

[Hawker]

Don't blame me. I voted for Ron Paul. I wonder when I'll be proven wrong about Obama being no different than Bush.

[Nick Young]

People not voting for 3rd party candidates because they feel it wont matter is the reason we are so dominated by a two party systems. Contrary to popular belief, it is worth it to vote for someone other than Dems and Republicans.
Idealistically maybe, but realistically no it is a massive waste of time spent driving to the voting station, waiting in line, and a waste of gas.

In your little ideal situation what will happen if more people vote for 3rd parties? Magically the two party system will lose all of it's power? Do you really believe that will happen?

[Hawker]

Idealistically maybe, but realistically no it is a massive waste of time spent driving to the voting station, waiting in line, and a waste of gas.

In your little ideal situation what will happen if more people vote for 3rd parties? Magically the two party system will lose all of it's power? Do you really believe that will happen?

If everyone that had your mindset voted for the same third party candidate, it wouldn't be such a huge waste of time.

[Jailblazers7]

Idealistically maybe, but realistically no it is a massive waste of time spent driving to the voting station, waiting in line, and a waste of gas.

In your little ideal situation what will happen if more people vote for 3rd parties? Magically the two party system will lose all of it's power? Do you really believe that will happen?

No I don't believe it will happeen because too many people share your attitude. why waste a half hour going to vote whenever you can just sit on your ass and complain about it, right?

[Nick Young]

No I don't believe it will happeen because too many people share your attitude. why waste a half hour going to vote whenever you can just sit on your ass and complain about it, right?
So now I as an American don't have the right to complain about a shitty government that I didn't vote in to office?

That's what America is all about, sport.

[Jailblazers7]

So now I as an American don't have the right to complain about a shitty government that I didn't vote in to office?

That's what America is all about, sport.

I never said that you couldn't complain. My point is that you are a part of the problem with your defeatist attitude. Go out and do something tangible like voting for someone you DO want in office instead of sitting on your hands.

[boozehound]

Idealistically maybe, but realistically no it is a massive waste of time spent driving to the voting station, waiting in line, and a waste of gas.

In your little ideal situation what will happen if more people vote for 3rd parties? Magically the two party system will lose all of it's power? Do you really believe that will happen?
no, actually it can have a realistic impact, in that parties that gain enough of the vote can access the public election funds the next go round. So, every third party vote helps.

[mcrd101]

Is anyone regretting voting for this asshole yet?

I am glad I voted for nobody, so I dont feel responsible personally for this bullshit Obama has been leading us into.

He's such a lying dickhead, he won the f*cking Nobel Prize for peace and has sent americans to be slaughtered in Iraq, Afghanistan and now Libya. Every speech he makes he tries to spin everything around and make it seem like the noble choice, and he is fooling alot of idiots seemingly, those who still blindly support him and his bank bailouts and mythical healthcare plan that probably will be run horribly once it comes in to operation.

Politically he has pissed off both the left and the right and he cant get anything to pass.

Dickhead also said he'd close Gitmo his first day in office-O WAIT WHYS IT STILL OPEN?

Obama is a shithead, anyone who voted for him should feel ashamed of themselves

sent americans to slaughtered in Iraq? Despite him virtually ending the war and withdrawing a good number of troops from there. Yeah we have troops there still but its a security force, and as I mentioned in a different thread, we have a similar situation in places like Vietnam still.

The attacks on Libya seemed to be more decided by the UN, and Obama didn't want to undermine the UN and not go along with it. And we're not sending anyone to slaughter there seeing how he said were not committing ground troops, its all occasional air strikes and such.

Afghanistan I don't agree with so nothing to say there.

Can't get anything to pass yet if you look at his legislative record as president, he's passed quite a lot. This was cited in another thread and its a good time to cite it again. http://obamaachievements.org/list

You can say "It's biased." but it has references and I guarantee anything you find there can be found other places.

He'll have serious problems passing much in the next two years but thats more because Republicans are in power and they're hellbent on opposing anything he proposes. Mitch McConnel said his #1 goal is to make Obama fail.:rolleyes:

As for Gitmo, a few weeks into office he signed an executive order to shut it down. However, it hasn't been shut down yet cause they don't know where to try and potentially jail the prisoners. You can ***** about how long its taking to get it figured out, but if he focused most of his effort on that the opposition would be pissed cause he's not focusing on something else like the economy.

[Rasheed1]

I can understand not voting...

But not voting hurts the country as much as voting for one of the 2 puppets put in front of you... Lower turnouts help the people who have agendas not in line with the public..

If people were educated (which to be honest is happening slowly) the television wouldnt be able to mislead them. People wouldnt vote based on emotion or propaganda..

[Rysio]

you americans voted for a black guy now live with it.

[Hawker]

sent americans to slaughtered in Iraq? Despite him virtually ending the war and withdrawing a good number of troops from there. Yeah we have troops there still but its a security force, and as I mentioned in a different thread, we have a similar situation in places like Vietnam still.

The attacks on Libya seemed to be more decided by the UN, and Obama didn't want to undermine the UN and not go along with it. And we're not sending anyone to slaughter there seeing how he said were not committing ground troops, its all occasional air strikes and such.

Afghanistan I don't agree with so nothing to say there.

Can't get anything to pass yet if you look at his legislative record as president, he's passed quite a lot. This was cited in another thread and its a good time to cite it again. http://obamaachievements.org/list

You can say "It's biased." but it has references and I guarantee anything you find there can be found other places.

He'll have serious problems passing much in the next two years but thats more because Republicans are in power and they're hellbent on opposing anything he proposes. Mitch McConnel said his #1 goal is to make Obama fail.:rolleyes:

As for Gitmo, a few weeks into office he signed an executive order to shut it down. However, it hasn't been shut down yet cause they don't know where to try and potentially jail the prisoners. You can ***** about how long its taking to get it figured out, but if he focused most of his effort on that the opposition would be pissed cause he's not focusing on something else like the economy.

You can't be serious about that bit man. Like a week after he supposedly ended the war, some serious war shit went down. I don't remember exactly what it was but it wasn't indicative of something that was war ending.

You're correct about Gitmo. Congress wouldn't allow it because the majority of citizens were too scared about bring terrorists onto the mainland.

[Godzuki]

People not voting for 3rd party candidates because they feel it wont matter is the reason we are so dominated by a two party systems. Contrary to popular belief, it is worth it to vote for someone other than Dems and Republicans.


The 3rd party candidates are in some cases worse than Republicans and Democrats

[rufuspaul]

The government is pretty much run by wall street no matter who's in office.

I don't see that changing any time soon.

[mcrd101]

You can't be serious about that bit man. Like a week after he supposedly ended the war, some serious war shit went down. I don't remember exactly what it was but it wasn't indicative of something that was war ending.

You're correct about Gitmo. Congress wouldn't allow it because the majority of citizens were too scared about bring terrorists onto the mainland.


I said this in another thread as well: There's violence probably because the war is just now ending. I'd assume there was violence in Vietnam soon after that war "officially" ended too.

[Jailblazers7]

The 3rd party candidates are in some cases worse than Republicans and Democrats

I never said all third party candidates were better...

[Hawker]

I said this in another thread as well: There's violence probably because the war is just now ending. I'd assume there was violence in Vietnam soon after that war "officially" ended too.

Keep on sippin' the koolaid.

[CeltsGarlic]

LOL at people thinking about not to vote.Especially if they are saying smth like this : "whats the point, they are all thiefs, and liars". Bunch of uneducated idiots.

[Rasheed1]

Yeah we have troops there still but its a security force, and as I mentioned in a different thread, we have a similar situation in places like Vietnam still.

^this is what I have problem with... People are upset over war, but not upset over a security force...

we have bases and security forces all over the world in 100+ countries... Thats part of whats bankrupting us..

This isnt an Empire, it is a Republic.

We cannot afford troops all over the world guarding other peoples' sh*t.. makes no sense and we are soo used to it, we just generally go along with the silly logic behind it.


bring those troops home and you will save alot of money and protect these borders better.. our troops are to protect US.... not the rest of world from God knows what..

[mcrd101]

^this is what I have problem with... People are upset over war, but not upset over a security force...

we have bases and security forces all over the world in 100+ countries... Thats part of whats bankrupting us..

This isnt an Empire, it is a Republic.

We cannot afford troops all over the world guarding other peoples' sh*t.. makes no sense and we are soo used to it, we just generally go along with the silly logic behind it.


bring those troops home and you will save alot of money and protect these borders better.. our troops are to protect US.... not the rest of world from God knows what..

i agree.

My point is more that no one is saying were still at war with Vietnam, yet we have a security force there.

[boozehound]

^this is what I have problem with... People are upset over war, but not upset over a security force...

we have bases and security forces all over the world in 100+ countries... Thats part of whats bankrupting us..

This isnt an Empire, it is a Republic.

We cannot afford troops all over the world guarding other peoples' sh*t.. makes no sense and we are soo used to it, we just generally go along with the silly logic behind it.


bring those troops home and you will save alot of money and protect these borders better.. our troops are to protect US.... not the rest of world from God knows what..
well, if you think they are there to guard other peoples shit you need to think again. They are there to guard the resources utilized by US corporations, be it labor, oil, banana plantations, etc.

[JtotheIzzo]

i agree.

My point is more that no one is saying were still at war with Vietnam, yet we have a security force there.


no you don't

[mcrd101]

no you don't

you get the point. "the US has security forces there."

yet now that you pointed that out other people r going to nitpick and flame me.

[JtotheIzzo]

you get the point. "the US has security forces there."

yet now that you pointed that out other people r going to nitpick and flame me.

no they don't, it was the only place the US attacked and then asked to stand alone afterward. Not sure about flaming, your statement wrong.

[Rasheed1]

no they don't, it was the only place the US attacked and then asked to stand alone afterward. Not sure about flaming, your statement wrong.


We got "security forces" in waay too many countries... We need to bring our security forces home to secure us....

[JtotheIzzo]

We got "security forces" in waay too many countries... We need to bring our security forces home to secure us....


this is true, but there is not one boot in Vietnam.

[boozehound]

http://education.kings.edu/kdils/stevieb/POW-MIA_FLAG.jpg

well, apparently Jizzo's forgotten.

[Nick Young]

even the africans are turning on shitbama now, a bunch of the nigerian and ghana guys from my school been coming up to me the past days talking about how they completely lost faith in obama and he is not the man he pretended to be, they all talking about him on facebook, they can clearly see the bullshit of America going in to Libya to "protect america" when Libya has nothing to do with america except we want all their oil, how come the common american cant?


THIS IS HOW ROME FELL, a bunch of shitty leaders in a row got elected and sent us on multiple pointless expensive shitty wars.

WHY ISN'T ANYONE LOOKING AT HISTORY. We had our Pax Romana now we are on the sad slow decline.
thanks to bushy balls and shitbama

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_2k22z8vH128/TEyW4KL-IlI/AAAAAAAAHxU/3gtTJp-U3d0/s1600/obama-double-talk.jpg

[rufuspaul]

THIS IS HOW ROME FELL, a bunch of shitty leaders in a row got elected

I don't think there was any electing going on towards the end of the Roman empire.

[Cannonball]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_EjtNDIEMBCA/Sllw_b_nrHI/AAAAAAAAAjE/viRTSCMBbn8/s400/ron_paul_poster_flyer_by_the_russian.jpg
I don't see that changing any time soon.

[boozehound]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_EjtNDIEMBCA/Sllw_b_nrHI/AAAAAAAAAjE/viRTSCMBbn8/s400/ron_paul_poster_flyer_by_the_russian.jpg
wait. a guy who is an active elected representative and a member of one of those parties, who refused to run against his party in the last election, is going to be the end of the two-party dominance? OK

[Hawker]

wait. a guy who is an active elected representative and a member of one of those parties, who refused to run against his party in the last election, is going to be the end of the two-party dominance? OK

To change the game, you gotta play the game.

[rufuspaul]

wait. a guy who is an active elected representative and a member of one of those parties, who refused to run against his party in the last election, is going to be the end of the two-party dominance? OK

Well his son is a tea bagger. That's a 3rd party right?

[MayCeltics]

Shall I remind you http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ZKZYNsY37sk/TN1E4lmDQ0I/AAAAAAAAAPY/V7jqZRAYAwE/s1600/political-pictures-sarah-palin-john-mccain-look-shiny-object.jpg

[Rasheed1]

To change the game, you gotta play the game.


I agree with boozehound here...

Hawker knows what kind of treatment Paul gets in the republican party.. They laughed and mocked him right outta the 08 elections and then turned around and tried to co-op the energy he brought by taking up the tea party cause AFTER they got spanked by Obama...

Republicans are holding him back.... Im sure he has no desire to run independent mostly because of the rules making it soo tough, but the GOP is stifling his message....

he needs to get out of there...

I think he too old too.. But alot of his ideas can still be used

[rufuspaul]

I think he too old too.. But alot of his ideas can still be used

His followers (Hawker) need to find a younger guy to run under the RP philosophy. Otherwise it's a wasted cause.

*edit: RP stands for Ron Paul, not yours truly.

[crisoner]

Voting for Obama... Im not surprised at all that Obama has not gotten it done as president


but we have to remember


Your choice was him or Palin/McCain..

As disappointed as Iam in Obama, I still think we went the right way at the fork in the road...

The problem is that we are left with piss poor choices for president... Both people candidates are corporate puppets with no real allegiance to the American public.

we wont ever have a real president until we vote that person in regardless of who the media tells you can win and who cannot.

True

That might be the same thing in 2012 with Palin running the top spot.

[Cowboy Thunder]

Didn't "Bruno" put his meat on Ron Pauls grill?

That guy has no shot at winning anything.

[Nick Young]

True

That might be the same thing in 2012 with Palin running the top spot.
Yep Bruno made sure Ron Paul has no chance at any office after the way he reacted to that:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Palin, look at reality she would not be any worse than Obama, the only difference is her speeches wont be inspiring and lift peoples spirits, like Obama she would likely get nothing important done and just get us into more useless unneeded military conflict

[KingBeasley08]

He's been terrible so far :facepalm

im black but i still got political view. i cant believe guys like colin powell went past their ideologies and views on their country just to support race :facepalm

[rufuspaul]

He's been terrible so far :facepalm

im black but i still got political view. i cant believe guys like colin powell went past their ideologies and views on their country just to support race :facepalm

I think he stands a very good chance of being re-elected. The republicans currently don't have a front-runner with as much political savvy and if a 3rd party candidate starts to garner a lot of support it will draw mainly from republican voters.

[Rasheed1]

Yep Bruno made sure Ron Paul has no chance at any office after the way he reacted to that:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Palin, look at reality she would not be any worse than Obama, the only difference is her speeches wont be inspiring and lift peoples spirits, like Obama she would likely get nothing important done and just get us into more useless unneeded military conflict


:facepalm

Palin is dummy... I know more than that broad.... She would have been much worse on the strength of her stupidity alone...

[rufuspaul]

:facepalm

Palin is dummy... I know more than that broad.... She would have been much worse on the strength of her stupidity alone...

Plus she's a traditional point guard whereas Obama is more of a combo guard. Not really fair to compare.

[mcrd101]

Well his son is a tea bagger. That's a 3rd party right?

all of them, or if not a select few, ran as Republicans.

[Javat_90]

Oh Obama, you mean the guy who won the Nobel Peace Prize without doing shit?

[kentatm]

If you don't vote, just shut up.


:applause:


seriously, STFU if you sat on your ass and kept silent.

[Nick Young]

Oh Obama, you mean the guy who won the Nobel Peace Prize without doing shit?
The winner of the nobel peace prize has sent his own troops into armed conflict in three different countries since winning the award.

[Rasheed1]

Plus she's a traditional point guard whereas Obama is more of a combo guard. Not really fair to compare.


that chick is a traditional moron....

about as smart as a napkin

[rufuspaul]

all of them, or if not a select few, ran as Republicans.

Of course they did.

[Bill O'Reilly]

that chick is a traditional moron....

about as smart as a napkin

Unlike you, a loser who relies on crying racism and blaming America for the fact you don't have the balls to come out of the closet.

[mcrd101]

The winner of the nobel peace prize has sent his own troops into armed conflict in three different countries since winning the award.

please show me the reports of us sending troops into Libya. Because of all the news I've heard, there are none. As I said before, its all air strikes. I guess you could say thats armed conflict but again, as I said before, it was more a decision by the UN than Obama.

[KingBeasley08]

I think he stands a very good chance of being re-elected. The republicans currently don't have a front-runner with as much political savvy and if a 3rd party candidate starts to garner a lot of support it will draw mainly from republican voters.
I hope Mitt Romney can start gaining some support. He's a guy who I can trust as President. I might cry if Pallin is nominated for Pres or Vice Pres

[rufuspaul]

please show me the reports of us sending troops into Libya. Because of all the news I've heard, there are none. As I said before, its all air strikes. I guess you could say thats armed conflict but again, as I said before, it was more a decision by the UN than Obama.

100+ tomahawk missiles I think qualifies.

[rufuspaul]

I hope Mitt Romney can start gaining some support. He's a guy who I can trust as President. I might cry if Pallin is nominated for Pres or Vice Pres

I still don't know how to read him. He was able to get elected gov. of Mass. as a republican, which is no small feat.

[KingBeasley08]

I still don't know how to read him. He was able to get elected gov. of Mass. as a republican, which is no small feat.
I think he's the Republicans best option right now unless some other candidate pops out of nowhere like Obama did (Jindal etc.)

[boozehound]

I still don't know how to read him. He was able to get elected gov. of Mass. as a republican, which is no small feat.
he will be unable to garner support from populist repub types who now rule the roost. So, I have trouble seeing him getting the repub nomination unless the teaparty types destroy each other.

[Rasheed1]

I still don't know how to read him. He was able to get elected gov. of Mass. as a republican, which is no small feat.



he changes more than chameleon though... He even changes more than McCain... and thats tough to do these days..

he is still figuring out how to win the nomination when Obama copied his health care and brings up that fact all the time


Romney is going to have enough trouble from Huckabee and Newt and them clowns :oldlol: they are gonna keep brining up romneycare.. He is the most sound candidate but he has romneycare tattoed on his forehead and the other GOP candidates wont let him forget that

[mcrd101]

100+ tomahawk missiles I think qualifies.

i would say theres a significantly less risk though then it seems when someone says "were sending troops to 3 countries,"(implying Libya). I'm not saying that doing the bombings isn't dangerous for the pilots and such, but its not like its all out war. Obviously one lost life is too much, but I can't imagine hearing any staggering numbers, if any, of US casualties because of this Libya situation.

[rufuspaul]

Romney is going to have enough trouble from Huckabee and Newt and them clowns :oldlol: they are gonna keep brining up romneycare.. He is the most sound candidate but he has romneycare tattoed on his forehead and the other GOP candidates wont let him forget that

Good point. Like I said it's gonna be hard to find a republican with as much political savvy as Obama, not to mention he's got the power of incumbency.

[MaxFly]

Are people still seriously talking about Ron Paul? I thought we'd have moved on to a possible (lol, not really) Rand Paul Presidency. Let's be a little creative in the day dreaming...

[Rasheed1]

Are people still seriously talking about Ron Paul? I thought we'd have moved on to a possible (lol, not really) Rand Paul Presidency. Let's be a little creative in the day dreaming...


you dont vote for somebody because they can win.... :facepalm


they dont need your vote if they are already going to win...

[IcanzIIravor]

you dont vote for somebody because they can win.... :facepalm


they dont need your vote if they are already going to win...

Nothing is guaranteed. The problem with most third parties is that they seem to always focus on the Presidency or take a Senate or governorship. What they need is a long term strategy. Start small and build your way up while growing your base.

[Eat Like A Bosh]

don't care didn't vote for him.

[VishaltotheG]

Voted in like a boss

Presidency like a bosh

On another note, Mitt Romney FTW

[mcrd101]

Voted in like a boss

Presidency like a bosh

On another note, Mitt Romney FTW

so his presidency is equivalent to someone who's putting up 18.4 ppg and 8.3 rbg and a 5 time all star? sounds like a very respectable presidency by that measure

[RedBlackAttack]

Obama is still polling very high relative to past presidents at this point in their first terms. Reagan's approval ratings were in the low-30s well over two years into his first term.

Obama is still consistently getting approval ratings in the mid-to-high 40s, which is pretty incredible. If the economy starts to turn around even a little bit by the next election, no Republican stands a chance.

As it is, with only modest improvements in the unemployment rate, he is shown in polls to beat any candidate currently on the radar. There is a reason Republicans are being apprehensive about running. Guys like Chris Christie are the future of the party... Populace candidates who actually have a shot to be elected.

He doesn't want to enter the race, though, without having a shot to win. He is waiting to see if Obama's popularity dips or if the unemployment rate raises before he throws his hat in the ring. The Republicans know that Obama is going to be very difficult to beat, which is why you may see a patsy candidate (like Dole was in 1996) and they save their big gun for 2016 when they don't have to run him against Obama.

[Rasheed1]

Obama is still polling very high relative to past presidents at this point in their first terms. Reagan's approval ratings were in the low-30s well over two years into his first term.

Obama is still consistently getting approval ratings in the mid-to-high 40s, which is pretty incredible. If the economy starts to turn around even a little bit by the next election, no Republican stands a chance.


No republican stands a chance no matter what


I dont see any republicans who could beat Obama..

When Romney is the best shot? :oldlol: you know the GOP field is thin.

Newt?
Pawlenty?
Barbour?
Palin?
Romney?

Hell, throw in Guiliani for good measure...

That is the worst field of contenders Ive seen since Ive been paying attention to this stuff :oldlol:

Obama would slay all of them


As it is, with only modest improvements in the unemployment rate, he is shown in polls to beat any candidate currently on the radar. There is a reason Republicans are being apprehensive about running. Guys like Chris Christie are the future of the party... Populace candidates who actually have a shot to be elected.

He doesn't want to enter the race, though, without having a shot to win. He is waiting to see if Obama's popularity dips or if the unemployment rate raises before he throws his hat in the ring. The Republicans know that Obama is going to be very difficult to beat, which is why you may see a patsy candidate (like Dole was in 1996) and they save their big gun for 2016 when they don't have to run him against Obama.


Chris has the best shot of any Republican... That said, I live close enough to Nj to know that Christie has warts too and I would be interested to see how those would play out in a presidential campaign...

Christie smart enough not to jump out there right now though...

I think he is the best politician (besides Ron Paul :)) the GOP have

[RedBlackAttack]

No republican stands a chance no matter what


I dont see any republicans who could beat Obama..

When Romney is the best shot? :oldlol: you know the GOP field is thin.

Newt?
Pawlenty?
Barbour?
Palin?
Romney?

Hell, throw in Guiliani for good measure...

That is the worst field of contenders Ive seen since Ive been paying attention to this stuff :oldlol:

Obama would slay all of them

It is a pretty bad lineup. When bomb-throwers and trouble-makers like Palin, Gingrich and Bachmann are being mentioned as serious contenders to lead the party in the next election, you know there are serious, serious problems.

Like I said in my above post, though... There are some 'better' candidates that they could go with that actually may have a realistic shot with the right climate between now and the election, but they do not want to waste them in a campaign that could end up being a total wipe-out for Obama.

Let's face it... Christie is their best guy. He is the only guy I see that has a legitimate shot. The fact that he is not giving in to the pressure of running yet and he is being so apprehensive tells you everything you need to know about the Republicans' feelings on the possibility of an Obama re-election.

Right now, it is looking VERY good for Obama... About as good as any president can possibly look in terms of re-election 2+ years in to their first term.



Chris has the best shot of any Republican... That said, I live close enough to Nj to know that Christie has warts too and I would be interested to see how those would play out in a presidential campaign...

Christie smart enough not to jump out there right now though...

I think he is the best politician (besides Ron Paul :)) the GOP have

All politicians have warts. The biggest hurdle that Christie may face is that the extreme right-wingers (which has become the base, somehow) may look at him as too moderate. His stance on social issues like abortion and welfare reform will get a lot of push back from the far right.

He would have to win a very sizable portion of the true 'undecideds,' and that happens to be a group that Obama is also very good at attaining and impressing.

I don't think Christie is going to run. I do think he will run in 2016, though, regardless of who the Democratic candidate is... And he will probably be the front-runner, unless something disastrous happens between now and then (six years is a LONG time in politics... Look at Elliot Spitzer).

[LA_Showtime]

I'm Republican. **** the progressive tax system.

[RedBlackAttack]

I'm Republican. **** the progressive tax system.
Ugh.

[IcanzIIravor]

The smart ones are waiting for 2016. I don't see anyone beating Obama. I think it is usually that way with an incumbent President on average unless there is just a disaster of the economy going on. Send out a sacrificial lamb while the others quietly building up name recognition and war chests for 2016.

[Tarik One]

The Republicans are gonna mail it in next election much like in 1996 with Bob Dole. They'll groom their real candidate in 2016.

If they had an ideal/winnable candidate for 2012, we would have heard about him by now and he'd be prominent in the media at this point.

[RedBlackAttack]

The Republicans are gonna mail it in next election much like in 1996 with Bob Dole. They'll groom their real candidate in 2016.

If they had an ideal/winnable candidate for 2012, we would have heard about him by now and he'd be prominent in the media at this point.
The candidate is Christie... He probably isn't going to run. If there is some other populace conservative out there with a real shot, I haven't heard about him/her.

[gigantes]

> Is anyone regretting voting for this asshole yet?

nope.


> I am glad I voted for nobody, so I dont feel responsible
> personally for this bullshit Obama has been leading us into.

good for you. you sure showed them!


> He ... has sent americans to be slaughtered in Iraq,
> Afghanistan and now Libya.

at this point i'm starting to feel sorry for you, given your severe lack of information.

pretty-much every president since GW has had to send troops against sitting ducks in order to 'protect' american rights. meaning, to grease the wheels in order to maintain our lifestyle. so welcome to the USA and welcome to reality. hope you enjoy your stay here.

also, you especially err in mentioning iraq and afghanistan, two places that not a single elected president from this past election would have been able to pull out of in this time frame.


> his bank bailouts and mythical healthcare plan that
> probably will be run horribly once it comes in to operation.

the bank bailouts were started by the GWB regime and would likely have been continued by anyone elected... hillary to romney to edwards to palin.

as for the second item, look up "confirmation bias." you might, actually, learn something if you do.


> Politically he has pissed off both the left and the right
> and he cant get anything to pass.

welcome to the world of centrists. and do you think that obama was the first?


> Obama is a shithead, anyone who voted for him should
> feel ashamed of themselves

you're the one who should be ashamed. your understanding of the issues you've raised is microscopic and laughable.

still, on the positive side, there is a place waiting for you in president palin's cabinet. i think you'd fit right in there, with honors...

[1987_Lakers]

Ron Paul or Dennis Kucinich please.

[IcanzIIravor]

The candidate is Christie... He probably isn't going to run. If there is some other populace conservative out there with a real shot, I haven't heard about him/her.

I'm not sure how he would do in the south. I think he is smart to not get into the race.

[Scientist]

He's just a puppet. Doesn't matter who you vote for. False Left/Right Paradigm keeps us fighting each other. Divide & Conquer + Deception = Success

hah, so all the African Americans were jumping around yelling black man president black man president. When his approval rate drops the same people respond like this. Typical... sooner or later they'll say he's white.

[RedBlackAttack]

> Is anyone regretting voting for this asshole yet?

nope.


> I am glad I voted for nobody, so I dont feel responsible
> personally for this bullshit Obama has been leading us into.

good for you. you sure showed them!


> He ... has sent americans to be slaughtered in Iraq,
> Afghanistan and now Libya.

at this point i'm starting to feel sorry for you, given your severe lack of information.

pretty-much every president since GW has had to send troops against sitting ducks in order to 'protect' american rights. meaning, to grease the wheels in order to maintain our lifestyle. so welcome to the USA and welcome to reality. hope you enjoy your stay here.

also, you especially err in mentioning iraq and afghanistan, two places that not a single elected president from this past election would have been able to pull out of in this time frame.


> his bank bailouts and mythical healthcare plan that
> probably will be run horribly once it comes in to operation.

the bank bailouts were started by the GWB regime and would likely have been continued by anyone elected... hillary to romney to edwards to palin.

as for the second item, look up "confirmation bias." you might, actually, learn something if you do.


> Politically he has pissed off both the left and the right
> and he cant get anything to pass.

welcome to the world of centrists. and do you think that obama was the first?


> Obama is a shithead, anyone who voted for him should
> feel ashamed of themselves

you're the one who should be ashamed. your understanding of the issues you've raised is microscopic and laughable.

still, on the positive side, there is a place waiting for you in president palin's cabinet. i think you'd fit right in there, with honors...
I wouldn't waste my time... Good points, though.

I recommend joining the adults in the conversation.

[JerrySteakhouse]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btQKGvVRnZ8

[D.J.]

Yep.

And Obama isn't getting reeleceted. First time around it was a feel-good story, nothing more.


I don't see who the Republicans can put in that will take him out.

[Lakers Legend#32]

I'll proudly vote for Obama in 2012.

[fos]

Obama is the worst president of my lifetime and his first term isn't even up. This includes George W. Bush (He was half 'tarded, but he at least meant well). Clinton/Bush SR. '12

Who cares if Clinton has had two terms... Make it happen!

[JtotheIzzo]

Ron Paul or Dennis Kucinich please.

aren't they complete opposites with respect to policy?

[RoseCity07]

So Bush starts an oil war and it's Obama's fault because we can't get out of Iraq and Afghanistan yet? I haven't been impressed with Obama yet, but stop trying to transfer the blame.

Also, Obama can't get anything passed because the republicans won't allow it. So why are you bashing Obama on these points?

Obama's problem is that he won't tell the republicans to go f*ck themselves, and do what he wants. He thinks he can please both sides, not going to happen.

Only way Clinton ever got anything done is when he basically got tired of the republican party trashing him. He gave them the finger, then left office with a budget surplus.

[RoseCity07]

Obama is the worst president of my lifetime and his first term isn't even up. This includes George W. Bush (He was half 'tarded, but he at least meant well). Clinton/Bush SR. '12

Who cares if Clinton has had two terms... Make it happen!

Let's see, Bush didn't do anything to stop the terrorist attacks, and ignored constant warnings. Finds out a terrorist group from Afghanistan was responsible for 9-11, so he then goes and attacks Iraq because they have oil. Lies, says they have WMD's, they don't. Gets us trillions more in debt in a war that has been bankrupting the United States for a decade all the while getting kids killed in pointless war. Oh, but you say he meant well.

Why don't you get your head out of your ass. Bush was a blatant liar, and his lies have ruined this country. Obama is just trying to stop the bleeding, and your constant criticism is pathetic.

[shlver]

Let's see, Bush didn't do anything to stop the terrorist attacks, and ignored constant warnings. Finds out a terrorist group from Afghanistan was responsible for 9-11, so he then goes and attacks Iraq because they have oil. Lies, says they have WMD's, they don't. Gets us trillions more in debt in a war that has been bankrupting the United States for a decade all the while getting kids killed in pointless war. Oh, but you say he meant well.

Why don't you get your head out of your ass. Bush was a blatant liar, and his lies have ruined this country. Obama is just trying to stop the bleeding, and your constant criticism is pathetic.
So we went into Iraq for oil?

[IcanzIIravor]

Obama is the worst president of my lifetime and his first term isn't even up. This includes George W. Bush (He was half 'tarded, but he at least meant well). Clinton/Bush SR. '12

Who cares if Clinton has had two terms... Make it happen!

How old are you?

[Lebron23]

USA wants the oil of Libya. You guys are going to benefit if the USA and their allies conquer Libya. Libya is one of the richest countries in the African Union,

[fos]

Let's see, Bush didn't do anything to stop the terrorist attacks, and ignored constant warnings. Finds out a terrorist group from Afghanistan was responsible for 9-11, so he then goes and attacks Iraq because they have oil. Lies, says they have WMD's, they don't. Gets us trillions more in debt in a war that has been bankrupting the United States for a decade all the while getting kids killed in pointless war. Oh, but you say he meant well.

Why don't you get your head out of your ass. Bush was a blatant liar, and his lies have ruined this country. Obama is just trying to stop the bleeding, and your constant criticism is pathetic.

We still going with the "he lied us to war" thing? Congress had the same information on Iraq that Bush had and voted to go to war (I believe the current secretary of state voted to go to war, no?). Props to Obama for voting against it. So we went to war with Iraq for oil, what evidence do you have of that? Correct me if I'm wrong but it was and is an expensive war, I don't see us gaining anything there. No doubt it was the wrong decision to go to war but at least we got rid of a ruthless dictator who tortured and killed (hundreds?) of thousands of his own people and at least tried to bring democracy there. Also, the Iraq war isn't nearly as expensive or the cause for our debt as you lead on. Social security, Medicare and Medicaid all cost more than the war. Like I said, Bush is a retard so I can cut him some slack for poor decisions. Obama on the other hand isn't mentally retarded so he has no excuse for this bullshit.

[Cannonball]

The whole system is completely ****ed. Utterly compromised by greed and power.

The concepts of Liberty and individual's rights to that which are his/hers are long since forgotten.

The whole system is now based on concepts and idea's that will surely lead to the down fall of this empire. American's are fed garbage from both sides while ultimately leading to the same system. That they are not smart enough to make choices for themselves. Economically, socially, etc, etc... The corrupt government and the corporations that control it due to it's corrupt state will continue to use and abuse their power and mis represent the population...

Only when it's far too late will we wake up and realize we're ****ed and have no chance of turning back.

[Stuckey]

calm down, this aint no 1984

[Nick Young]

So Bush starts an oil war and it's Obama's fault because we can't get out of Iraq and Afghanistan yet? I haven't been impressed with Obama yet, but stop trying to transfer the blame.

Also, Obama can't get anything passed because the republicans won't allow it. So why are you bashing Obama on these points?

Obama's problem is that he won't tell the republicans to go f*ck themselves, and do what he wants. He thinks he can please both sides, not going to happen.

Only way Clinton ever got anything done is when he basically got tired of the republican party trashing him. He gave them the finger, then left office with a budget surplus.
Jesus christ stop blindly defending Shitbama because you like his speeches and think he's a cool guy. That's the same reason so many idiots defended Bush (he seems like a fun guy who I can just sit at the bar and have a beer with DURR DURR)

Obama as president is responsible to play the political game and get supporters to make his shit pass. Instead after his first few months in office he was so divisive and insulting that even his own party started going against him. He is only trying to please both sides now after he realized that telling the republicans to go f*ck themselves (basically what he did his first 6 months in office) only served to piss everyone off and make them not pass his propositions just to spite him.

Bush might have started oil wars but Obama keeps pumping more money and troops in to them even though he promised to pull out of both Iraq and Afghanistan during his campaign. Oh yeah Obama just started a new oil war in Libya, didnt you get the memo?

Shitbama is worse than George W Bush because he promised America so much more than Bush did but he is giving America even less.

[chains5000]

You may not like Obama, but... would you rather have McCain?

[Nick Young]

You may not like Obama, but... would you rather have McCain?
Mccain used to be one of the most liberal republicans. During the campaign he pretended to be a hardline conservative to get votes but Im pretty certain just like Obama lied and pretended to be someone else to get into office Mccain was doing exactly the same thing.

Palin is goofy but so was Bush, it's not like even if Mccain died and she became president she would have any actual power, it's obvious she was just a puppet used to attract more stupid voters.

Yeh Im not gonna lie its probably hindsight but Im 100% sure McCain would have been a better president than Barack Obama was. Back in 2000 he was easily the best republican candidate.

[chains5000]

Mccain used to be one of the most liberal republicans. During the campaign he pretended to be a hardline conservative to get votes but Im pretty certain just like Obama lied and pretended to be someone else to get into office Mccain was doing exactly the same thing.

Palin is goofy but so was Bush, it's not like even if Mccain died and she became president she would have any actual power, it's obvious she was just a puppet used to attract more stupid voters.

Yeh Im not gonna lie its probably hindsight but Im 100% sure McCain would have been a better president than Barack Obama was. Back in 2000 he was easily the best republican candidate.
Even if he was pretending, how can you know McCain couldn't have kept doing so in order to have a good public image?
As for Palin, puppet or not, I'd be ashamed of having a vice president that retarded.
Having only two candidates sucks, period.

[Nick Young]

Even if he was pretending, how can you know McCain couldn't have kept doing so in order to have a good public image?
As for Palin, puppet or not, I'd be ashamed of having a vice president that retarded.
Having only two candidates sucks, period.
Bush was retarded, Palin isn't any stupider than Bush, I dealt with Bush for 8 years so Im sure I could deal with Palin. There comes a point where you just let go of the shame, like I'm sure Italians have done with Berlusconi years ago. McCain wouldnt keep pretending to be a conservative hardnose once he actually got elected. How it works is you lie and make a fake image during the election then once you are safe and elected you become your true self and start trying to pass through the things you really care about.

For example McCain pretended to be hardnosed against gay marriage and abortion but Im certain once elected he would do absolutely nothing to try to make abortion or gay marriage illegal.

He's a pretty moderate guy and actually pretty intelligent, it's just a shame you have to act like a shotgun waving redneck to get elected to the republican party.

So retarded, that's also why Obama had to pretend to like hunting as well, a president will never get elected if he dont like his guns:facepalm

[chains5000]

Bush was retarded, Palin isn't any stupider than Bush, I dealt with Bush for 8 years so Im sure I could deal with Palin. There comes a point where you just let go of the shame, like I'm sure Italians have done with Berlusconi years ago. McCain wouldnt keep pretending to be a conservative hardnose once he actually got elected. How it works is you lie and make a fake image during the election then once you are safe and elected you become your true self and start trying to pass through the things you really care about.

For example McCain pretended to be hardnosed against gay marriage and abortion but Im certain once elected he would do absolutely nothing to try to make abortion or gay marriage illegal.

He's a pretty moderate guy and actually pretty intelligent, it's just a shame you have to act like a shotgun waving redneck to get elected to the republican party.

So retarded, that's also why Obama had to pretend to like hunting as well, a president will never get elected if he dont like his guns:facepalm
I'd have moved to another country by now if I was Italian.
Him winning time and time again just shows the worst flaws in democracy.

[Nick Young]

yep don't know why so many europeans get off criticizing Americans for voting for Bush twice when they keep electing shitheads like Silvio Berlusconi, Jose Pinto de Sousa, Kostas Karamanlis, Jos

[chains5000]

[QUOTE=Nick Young]yep don't know why so many europeans get off criticizing Americans for voting for Bush twice when they keep electing shitheads like Silvio Berlusconi, Jose Pinto de Sousa, Kostas Karamanlis, [B]Jos

[Rose]

For example McCain pretended to be hardnosed against gay marriage and abortion but Im certain once elected he would do absolutely nothing to try to make abortion or gay marriage illegal.

He's a pretty moderate guy and actually pretty intelligent, it's just a shame you have to act like a shotgun waving redneck to get elected to the republican party.

So retarded, that's also why Obama had to pretend to like hunting as well, a president will never get elected if he dont like his guns:facepalm
In all fairness, Abortion/Gay marriage will NEVER be outlawed due to the fact if they are...republicans have nothing to run with. What other major issues are in their base? not many...

[boozehound]

We still going with the "he lied us to war" thing? Congress had the same information on Iraq that Bush had and voted to go to war (I believe the current secretary of state voted to go to war, no?).
That is actually not correct.

[boozehound]

Bush was retarded, Palin isn't any stupider than Bush, I dealt with Bush for 8 years so Im sure I could deal with Palin. There comes a point where you just let go of the shame, like I'm sure Italians have done with Berlusconi years ago. McCain wouldnt keep pretending to be a conservative hardnose once he actually got elected. How it works is you lie and make a fake image during the election then once you are safe and elected you become your true self and start trying to pass through the things you really care about.

For example McCain pretended to be hardnosed against gay marriage and abortion but Im certain once elected he would do absolutely nothing to try to make abortion or gay marriage illegal.

He's a pretty moderate guy and actually pretty intelligent, it's just a shame you have to act like a shotgun waving redneck to get elected to the republican party.

So retarded, that's also why Obama had to pretend to like hunting as well, a president will never get elected if he dont like his guns:facepalm
Bush is actually a relatively smart and calculating guy. Sure, hes not brilliant, but the whole "good ol' boy working on his ranch" image was entirely constructed.

Also, a president can do nothing about abortion, which is why its such a stupid false front issue to bring voters out every election. Until the supreme court rules on another case or the legislature passes a constitutional amendment, abortion will be legal in this country. The only impact a pres can have is indirect (appointing justices).

[Boogaloo]

That is actually not correct.

How is it not?


The US Senate today voted overwhelmingly in favour of a war resolution that leaves the way clear for President Bush to use US military force against Saddam Hussein.

The Democratic-led Senate passed the measure by 77 votes to 23 early this morning, ending an often contentious week-long debate. The House of Representatives, the lower house of America's parliament, approved the resolution yesterday by 296 votes to 133.

http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/10-11-2002-27983.asp


All these guys agreed on the the Intelligence acquired at the time and acted on it.

also Saddam broke at least a few UN mandated resolutions before being attacked.

[boozehound]

How is it not?



All these guys agreed on the the Intelligence acquired at the time and acted on it.

also Saddam broke at least a few UN mandated resolutions before being attacked.
they did not have access to the same intelligence as the admin. Its been shown time and time again that the intelligence shared with the legislature was cherry picked by the admin to present a stronger case for invasion.

Here is one of many places to start your research
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB254/index.htm

[Hawker]

The president does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation.

-Barack Obama 2007

[rufuspaul]

-Barack Obama 2007

Nice.

[Hawker]

Nice.

I think we should all yell, "FLIP FLOPPER FLIP FLOPPER."

That shit was annoying back in 2004. :facepalm

[rufuspaul]

I think we should all yell, "FLIP FLOPPER FLIP FLOPPER."

That shit was annoying back in 2004. :facepalm

I had a strong feeling that once Obama took office and started getting regular briefings on what is really going on in the wars to keep our enemies at bay that he would change his pacifist tone.

[Nick Young]

-Barack Obama 2007
damn another quote showing Obama as a shithead:facepalm

[boozehound]

I had a strong feeling that once Obama took office and started getting regular briefings on what is really going on in the wars to keep our enemies at bay that he would change his pacifist tone.
well, to be fair, this libya thing doesnt violate that quote. there was no unilateral decision to go to war.