View Full Version : 50pts games between MJ and Kobe
necya
03-23-2011, 12:22 PM
50pts games
i just have included the record of the opponent team in order to put some context. the
also, you can see that both players mostly have shined against teams from their conference.
Kobe 25 games (9 against teams who made the playoffs)
51pts vs Golden State 17-65
56pts vs Memphis 23-59
51pts vs Denver 17-65
52pts vs Houston 43-29
55pts vs Washington 37-45
62pts vs Dallas 60-22
50pts vs Los Angeles 47-35
51pts vs Sacramento 44-38
81pts vs Toronto 27-55
51pts vs Phoenix 54-28
50pts vs Portland 21-61
50pts vs Phoenix 54-28 PO
52pts vs Utah 51-31
53pts vs Houston 52-30
58pts vs Charlotte 33-49
65pts vs Portland 32-50
50pts vs Minnesota 32-50
60pts vs Memphis 22-60
50pts vs New Orleans 39-43
53pts vs Houston 52-30
50pts vs Los Angeles 40-42
50pts vs Seattle 31-51
52pts vs Dallas 51-31
53pts vs Memphis 22-60
61pts vs New York 32-50
MJ 39 games (32 against teams who made the playoffs)
63pts vs Celtics 67-15 PO
50pts vs Knicks 24-58
53pts vs Blazers 49-33
58pts vs Nets 24-58
61pts vs Pistons 52-30
56pts vs Sixers 45-37
53pts vs Pacers 41-41
50pts vs Bucks 50-32
61pts vs Hawks 57-25
52pts vs Cavaliers 42-40
52pts vs Blazers 53-29
50pts vs Celtics 57-25
59pts vs Pistons 54-28
50pts vs Cavaliers 42-40 PO
55pts vs Cavaliers 42-40 PO
52pts vs Celtics 42-40
52pts vs Sixers 46-36
52pts vs Nuggets 44-38
53pts vs Suns 55-27
50pts vs Bucks 49-33
50pts vs Cavaliers 57-25 PO
54pts vs Cavaliers 42-40
52pts vs Magic 18-64
69pts vs Cavaliers 42-40
51pts vs Bullets 25-57
50pts vs Nuggets 24-58
56pts vs Heat 38-44 PO
54pts vs Lakers 39-43
57pts vs Bullets 22-60
64pts vs Magic 41-41
52pts vs Hornets 44-38
54pts vs Knicks 60-22 PO
55pts vs Suns 62-20 PO
55pts vs Knicks 55-27
53pts vs Pistons 46-36
50pts vs Heat 61-21
51pts vs Knicks 57-25
55pts vs Bullets 44-38 PO
51pts vs Hornets 44-38
AlphaWolf24
03-23-2011, 12:24 PM
50pts games
i just have included the record of the opponent team in order to put some context. the
also, you can see that both players mostly have shined against teams from their conference.
Kobe 25 games (9 against teams who made the playoffs)
51pts vs Golden State 17-65
56pts vs Memphis 23-59
51pts vs Denver 17-65
52pts vs Houston 43-29
55pts vs Washington 37-45
62pts vs Dallas 60-22
50pts vs Los Angeles 47-35
51pts vs Sacramento 44-38
81pts vs Toronto 27-55
51pts vs Phoenix 54-28
50pts vs Portland 21-61
50pts vs Phoenix 54-28 PO
52pts vs Utah 51-31
53pts vs Houston 52-30
58pts vs Charlotte 33-49
65pts vs Portland 32-50
50pts vs Minnesota 32-50
60pts vs Memphis 22-60
50pts vs New Orleans 39-43
53pts vs Houston 52-30
50pts vs Los Angeles 40-42
50pts vs Seattle 31-51
52pts vs Dallas 51-31
53pts vs Memphis 22-60
61pts vs New York 32-50
MJ 39 games (32 against teams who made the playoffs)
63pts vs Celtics 67-15 PO
50pts vs Knicks 24-58
53pts vs Blazers 49-33
58pts vs Nets 24-58
61pts vs Pistons 52-30
56pts vs Sixers 45-37
53pts vs Pacers 41-41
50pts vs Bucks 50-32
61pts vs Hawks 57-25
52pts vs Cavaliers 42-40
52pts vs Blazers 53-29
50pts vs Celtics 57-25
59pts vs Pistons 54-28
50pts vs Cavaliers 42-40 PO
55pts vs Cavaliers 42-40 PO
52pts vs Celtics 42-40
52pts vs Sixers 46-36
52pts vs Nuggets 44-38
53pts vs Suns 55-27
50pts vs Bucks 49-33
50pts vs Cavaliers 57-25 PO
54pts vs Cavaliers 42-40
52pts vs Magic 18-64
69pts vs Cavaliers 42-40
51pts vs Bullets 25-57
50pts vs Nuggets 24-58
56pts vs Heat 38-44 PO
54pts vs Lakers 39-43
57pts vs Bullets 22-60
64pts vs Magic 41-41
52pts vs Hornets 44-38
54pts vs Knicks 60-22 PO
55pts vs Suns 62-20 PO
55pts vs Knicks 55-27
53pts vs Pistons 46-36
50pts vs Heat 61-21
51pts vs Knicks 57-25
55pts vs Bullets 44-38 PO
51pts vs Hornets 44-38
How many did MJ have before the age 32???....and how many Losing seasons???
Kobe is still playing....understand?
necya
03-23-2011, 12:29 PM
How many did MJ have before the age 32???....and how many Losing seasons???
Kobe is still playing....understand?
already trolling?:roll:
jstern
03-23-2011, 12:30 PM
Can post the season record for their opponent?
necya
03-23-2011, 12:34 PM
Can post the season record for their opponent?
i have posted the season record of their opponent.
Heat007
03-23-2011, 12:35 PM
--- This is from the start of the 08 season. since then Kobe Bryant's percentages are even lower in comparison to Jordan. There is no comparison between the two. One was a far miore efficient and better all around player. The other is a shot jacker. ----
Games with under 50% shooting
Michael Jordan: 43% of games
Kobe Bryant: 65% of games ( this is updated to the present)
Games with under 48% shooting
Michael Jordan: 437 (41% of games)
Kobe Bryant: 470 (62% of games)
Games with under 46% shooting
Michael Jordan: 360 (33% of games)
Kobe Bryant: 417 (53% of games)
Games with under 44% shooting
Michael Jordan: 288 (1 out of every 4 games)
Kobe Bryant: 353 (1 out of every 2 games)
Games with under 42% shooting
Michael Jordan: 228 (1 out of every 5 games)
Kobe Bryant: 307 (2 out of every 5 games)
Games with under 40% shooting
Michael Jordan: 154 (1 out of every 7 games)
Kobe Bryant: 246 (1 out of every 3 games)
Games with under 35% shooting
Michael Jordan: 85 (8 out of every 100 games)
Kobe Bryant: 156 (20 out of every 100 games)
Games with under 30% shooting
Michael Jordan: 39 (1 out of every 28 games)
Kobe Bryant: 81 (1 out of every 10 games)
Games with 70% or better shooting
Michael "Air" Jordan: 23 (1 out of every 45 games)
Kobe "Bean" Bryant: 5 (1 out of every 160 games)
Games with 60% or better shooting
Michael "Air" Jordan: 160 (1 out of every 7 games)
Kobe "Bean" Bryant: 53 (1 out of every 15 games)
Games with 50% or better shooting
Michael "Air" Jordan: 504 (1 out of every 2 games)
Kobe "Bean" Bryant: 203 (1 out of every 4 games)
Games with 20 shots made on 60% or better shooting
MJ: 15
Kobe: 3
Games with 15 shots made on 60% or better shooting
MJ: 77
Kobe: 17
Games with 15 shots made on 50% or better shooting
MJ: 174
Kobe: 45
Games with 50 points & less than 10 free throw attempts
MJ: 3
Kobe: 0
Games with 40 points & less than 10 free throw attempts
MJ: 27
Kobe: 15
40 point games with less than 5 three point attempts
MJ: 156 (9 out of 10 40 pt games)
Kobe: 26 (3 out of 10 40 pt games)
Games with 40 points and under 50% shooting
MJ: 27 (16% of his 40 pt games)
Kobe: 40 (47% of his 40 pt games)
Games with 40 points and under 45% shooting
MJ: 13 (8% of his 40 pt games)
Kobe: 18 (21% of his 40 pt games)
Games with 40 points and under 40% shooting
MJ: 2 (1% of his 40 pt games)
Kobe: 7 (8% of his 40 pt games)
Almost half of Kobe's 40 point games involved missing more shots than making them.
Kobe has also taken the most shot attempts EVER to score 50 points in a game.
Kobe is also the only player in history who failed to score 50 points when taking 45 or more shots
50 point games with under 50% shooting
Michael Jordan: 1 of his 31 games (15-31, 48% in the only one he was under 50%)
Kobe Bryant: 9 of his 21 games
50 point games with under 45% shooting
Michael Jordan: 0
Kobe Bryant: 3
asdf1990
03-23-2011, 12:36 PM
How many did MJ have before the age 32???....and how many Losing seasons???
Kobe is still playing....understand?
Lol'd Kobe had most of his 50 point games against scrubs while the legend had most of them against playoff teams. Why was Jordan so good. Only if Kobe was twice as good we could have had another Jordan. Kobe is like Jordan but only half as good.
brownmamba00
03-23-2011, 12:36 PM
How many did MJ have before the age 32???....and how many Losing seasons???
Kobe is still playing....understand?
I don't think Kobe is dropping 50 soon.
AlphaWolf24
03-23-2011, 12:37 PM
already trolling?:roll:
...simple question..."why don't you just show how many MJ had at the similar age"...Kobe aint scoring 50 playing 15 minutes a game at 18 - 19 years old.
:facepalm @ Jordan stans
jstern
03-23-2011, 12:40 PM
i have posted the season record of their opponent.
Oh my bad. I commented from my phone on the train, couldn't see it well. Now I'm on my computer.
asdf1990
03-23-2011, 12:40 PM
Talk about shutting down Kobe stans.
--- This is from the start of the 08 season. since then Kobe Bryant's percentages are even lower in comparison to Jordan. There is no comparison between the two. One was a far miore efficient and better all around player. The other is a shot jacker. ----
Games with under 50% shooting
Michael Jordan: 43% of games
Kobe Bryant: 65% of games ( this is updated to the present)
Games with under 48% shooting
Michael Jordan: 437 (41% of games)
Kobe Bryant: 470 (62% of games)
Games with under 46% shooting
Michael Jordan: 360 (33% of games)
Kobe Bryant: 417 (53% of games)
Games with under 44% shooting
Michael Jordan: 288 (1 out of every 4 games)
Kobe Bryant: 353 (1 out of every 2 games)
Games with under 42% shooting
Michael Jordan: 228 (1 out of every 5 games)
Kobe Bryant: 307 (2 out of every 5 games)
Games with under 40% shooting
Michael Jordan: 154 (1 out of every 7 games)
Kobe Bryant: 246 (1 out of every 3 games)
Games with under 35% shooting
Michael Jordan: 85 (8 out of every 100 games)
Kobe Bryant: 156 (20 out of every 100 games)
Games with under 30% shooting
Michael Jordan: 39 (1 out of every 28 games)
Kobe Bryant: 81 (1 out of every 10 games)
Games with 70% or better shooting
Michael "Air" Jordan: 23 (1 out of every 45 games)
Kobe "Bean" Bryant: 5 (1 out of every 160 games)
Games with 60% or better shooting
Michael "Air" Jordan: 160 (1 out of every 7 games)
Kobe "Bean" Bryant: 53 (1 out of every 15 games)
Games with 50% or better shooting
Michael "Air" Jordan: 504 (1 out of every 2 games)
Kobe "Bean" Bryant: 203 (1 out of every 4 games)
Games with 20 shots made on 60% or better shooting
MJ: 15
Kobe: 3
Games with 15 shots made on 60% or better shooting
MJ: 77
Kobe: 17
Games with 15 shots made on 50% or better shooting
MJ: 174
Kobe: 45
Games with 50 points & less than 10 free throw attempts
MJ: 3
Kobe: 0
Games with 40 points & less than 10 free throw attempts
MJ: 27
Kobe: 15
40 point games with less than 5 three point attempts
MJ: 156 (9 out of 10 40 pt games)
Kobe: 26 (3 out of 10 40 pt games)
Games with 40 points and under 50% shooting
MJ: 27 (16% of his 40 pt games)
Kobe: 40 (47% of his 40 pt games)
Games with 40 points and under 45% shooting
MJ: 13 (8% of his 40 pt games)
Kobe: 18 (21% of his 40 pt games)
Games with 40 points and under 40% shooting
MJ: 2 (1% of his 40 pt games)
Kobe: 7 (8% of his 40 pt games)
Almost half of Kobe's 40 point games involved missing more shots than making them.
Kobe has also taken the most shot attempts EVER to score 50 points in a game.
Kobe is also the only player in history who failed to score 50 points when taking 45 or more shots
50 point games with under 50% shooting
Michael Jordan: 1 of his 31 games (15-31, 48% in the only one he was under 50%)
Kobe Bryant: 9 of his 21 games
50 point games with under 45% shooting
Michael Jordan: 0
Kobe Bryant: 3
gotbacon23
03-23-2011, 12:43 PM
...simple question..."why don't you just show how many MJ had at the similar age"...Kobe aint scoring 50 playing 15 minutes a game at 18 - 19 years old.
:facepalm @ Jordan stans
jordan had most of them before he was 32. he had 34 before the age of 32, 5 after.
these are the ones he had after the age of 32:
the double nickel against the knicks in 1995
a regular season game versus the pistons in 1996
a regular season game versus the heat in 1996
a regular season game versus the knicks in 1997
a playoff game versus the bullets in 1997
catch24
03-23-2011, 12:44 PM
Jordan killin' the competition.
tommyhtc
03-23-2011, 12:46 PM
...simple question..."why don't you just show how many MJ had at the similar age"...Kobe aint scoring 50 playing 15 minutes a game at 18 - 19 years old.
:facepalm @ Jordan stans
oh well, see who's talking about insecurity,
why not show all the games they played in their career?
The fact that Kobe is still playing even gives him advantage.
Do you see people taking out MJ's wizards years, did people whine about the 2 years that MJ took of his prime at age 31-32? did they bug about him being injured in his second season?
NO, please stop the selective bias, look at the whole package and stop making excuses.
If you are to compare careers, talk about a player's career. Not half a career or his "career" that supports your agenda.
asdf1990
03-23-2011, 12:46 PM
jordan had most of them before he was 32. he had 34 before the age of 32, 5 after.
these are the ones he had after the age of 32:
the double nickel against the knicks in 1995
a regular season game versus the pistons in 1996
a regular season game versus the heat in 1996
a regular season game versus the knicks in 1997
a playoff game versus the bullets in 1997
I love it when Kobe stans get owned. Not to mention this was with like 300 fewer games played.
AlphaWolf24
03-23-2011, 12:46 PM
--- This is from the start of the 08 season. since then Kobe Bryant's percentages are even lower in comparison to Jordan. There is no comparison between the two. One was a far miore efficient and better all around player. The other is a shot jacker. ----
Games with under 50% shooting
Michael Jordan: 43% of games
Kobe Bryant: 65% of games ( this is updated to the present)
Games with under 48% shooting
Michael Jordan: 437 (41% of games)
Kobe Bryant: 470 (62% of games)
Games with under 46% shooting
Michael Jordan: 360 (33% of games)
Kobe Bryant: 417 (53% of games)
Games with under 44% shooting
Michael Jordan: 288 (1 out of every 4 games)
Kobe Bryant: 353 (1 out of every 2 games)
Games with under 42% shooting
Michael Jordan: 228 (1 out of every 5 games)
Kobe Bryant: 307 (2 out of every 5 games)
Games with under 40% shooting
Michael Jordan: 154 (1 out of every 7 games)
Kobe Bryant: 246 (1 out of every 3 games)
Games with under 35% shooting
Michael Jordan: 85 (8 out of every 100 games)
Kobe Bryant: 156 (20 out of every 100 games)
Games with under 30% shooting
Michael Jordan: 39 (1 out of every 28 games)
Kobe Bryant: 81 (1 out of every 10 games)
Games with 70% or better shooting
Michael "Air" Jordan: 23 (1 out of every 45 games)
Kobe "Bean" Bryant: 5 (1 out of every 160 games)
Games with 60% or better shooting
Michael "Air" Jordan: 160 (1 out of every 7 games)
Kobe "Bean" Bryant: 53 (1 out of every 15 games)
Games with 50% or better shooting
Michael "Air" Jordan: 504 (1 out of every 2 games)
Kobe "Bean" Bryant: 203 (1 out of every 4 games)
Games with 20 shots made on 60% or better shooting
MJ: 15
Kobe: 3
Games with 15 shots made on 60% or better shooting
MJ: 77
Kobe: 17
Games with 15 shots made on 50% or better shooting
MJ: 174
Kobe: 45
Games with 50 points & less than 10 free throw attempts
MJ: 3
Kobe: 0
Games with 40 points & less than 10 free throw attempts
MJ: 27
Kobe: 15
40 point games with less than 5 three point attempts
MJ: 156 (9 out of 10 40 pt games)
Kobe: 26 (3 out of 10 40 pt games)
Games with 40 points and under 50% shooting
MJ: 27 (16% of his 40 pt games)
Kobe: 40 (47% of his 40 pt games)
Games with 40 points and under 45% shooting
MJ: 13 (8% of his 40 pt games)
Kobe: 18 (21% of his 40 pt games)
Games with 40 points and under 40% shooting
MJ: 2 (1% of his 40 pt games)
Kobe: 7 (8% of his 40 pt games)
Almost half of Kobe's 40 point games involved missing more shots than making them.
Kobe has also taken the most shot attempts EVER to score 50 points in a game.
Kobe is also the only player in history who failed to score 50 points when taking 45 or more shots
50 point games with under 50% shooting
Michael Jordan: 1 of his 31 games (15-31, 48% in the only one he was under 50%)
Kobe Bryant: 9 of his 21 games
50 point games with under 45% shooting
Michael Jordan: 0
Kobe Bryant: 3
Yes...and MJ also played most of his career in a completly differnt era when talking about defense and FG%...
This is the list of guards/small forwards who shot over 50% and had 20+ PPG during MJ's era(1985-1998).
Michael Jordan - 6 times
Chris Mullen - 6 times
Adrian Dantley - 4 times
Kiki Vandewedge - 4 times
Reggie Miller - 3 times
James Worthy - 3 times
Alex English - 3 times
Dale Ellis - 3 times
Magic Johnson - 2 times
Penny Hardaway - 2 times
Kevin Johnson - 2 times
Clyde Drexler - 2 times
Cedric Ceballos - 2 times
Mark Aguirre - 2 times
Gary Payton - once
Byron Scott - once
Rolando Blackman - once
Walter Davis - once
Jeff Hornacek - once
Otis Birdsong - once
Jeff Malone - once
George Gervin - once
Drazen Petrovic - once
Reggie Lewis - once
Derek Smith - once
Scottie Pippen - once
And here is the list of guards/small forwards who shot over 50% and had 20+ PPG during the post-Lockout era(2000-2010).
Lebron James - once
Chris Paul - once
Tony Parker - once
Monta Ellis - once
Shawn Marion - once
So in MJ's era it was done 56 times by 26 different players.
In the last 11 years, it has been done only 5 times by 5 different players.
here are the league averages for all the years MJ shot over 50%.
88' - 48%
89' - 47.7%
90' - 47.6%
91' - 47.4%
92' - 47.2%
And here are the league averages in the post-MJ era.
00' - 44.9%
01' - 44.3%
02' - 44.5%
03' - 44.2%
04' - 43.9%
05' - 44.7%
06' - 45.4%
07' - 45.8%
08' - 45.7%
09' - 45.9%
10' - 46.1%
so looking at this MJ's and Kobe's FG% is marginal at best.
also......TS% difference in both players is 1.7%:confusedshrug:
necya
03-23-2011, 12:46 PM
...simple question..."why don't you just show how many MJ had at the similar age"...Kobe aint scoring 50 playing 15 minutes a game at 18 - 19 years old.
:facepalm @ Jordan stans
:wtf: you are as studip as your boyfriend griffmoney, get out of this thread, you have no basketball knowledges.
first, this is not a competition of who will have the most 50pts games.
MJ missed one year and half of his prime, and still manage to get 33 50pts game before he is 32yo.
AlphaWolf24
03-23-2011, 12:48 PM
:wtf: you are as studip as your boyfriend griffmoney, get out of this thread, you have no basketball knowledges.
first, this is not a competition of who will have the most 50pts games.
MJ missed one year and half of his prime, and still manage to get 33 50pts game before he is 32yo.
so Kobe barley played his first couple years and played half a season in a lockout...:confusedshrug:
asdf1990
03-23-2011, 12:53 PM
:wtf: you are as studip as your boyfriend griffmoney, get out of this thread, you have no basketball knowledges.
first, this is not a competition of who will have the most 50pts games.
MJ missed one year and half of his prime, and still manage to get 33 50pts game before he is 32yo.
He actually missed another year of his prime with a injury that he suffered in his second season. That's the year he had that 60 point game against the celtics and the following season he averaged 37 ppg. Who knows what he could've put up that season.
necya
03-23-2011, 12:53 PM
:facepalm this kid killed the thread...
i have a question i can't find an answer...
How Kobe stans don't like MJ ??
i mean, MJ the original, Kobe the copy, he spent his entire life trying to copy the GOAT. why don't you like "the same type of player" quoting an standart ISH ignorant ?
oops:D
jstern
03-23-2011, 12:54 PM
Ok, opponents winning percentange
.457 for Kobe
and
.549 for Jordan
tpols
03-23-2011, 12:59 PM
Why are you using FG% when kobe attempted triple the amount of threes?:oldlol: No shit his floor percentage is worse than jordan's when he's taking longer shots that are worth more. Scale it for points per possesion(eFG), or even more in depth with free throws incorporated(TS) and jordan is only ahead of kobe by 1-2% max.. This is because kobe was a better three point shooter and FT shooter than jordan(he's a better shooter overall than jordan). If you don't put their playstyles into context these stats mean nothing.
RazorBaLade
03-23-2011, 01:00 PM
why dont u morons compare brons to this? EVERY1 looks bad next to jordan. none of us kobe fans think kobe is the goat. we're hoping for t5.
also can we see the 40 pt games or does that not fit your agenda
creepingdeath
03-23-2011, 01:06 PM
Lebron James - once
Chris Paul - once
Tony Parker - once
Monta Ellis - once
Shawn Marion - once:
This list isn't even complete, you idiot. Ever heard of that guy Nash? You know, that GUARD who shot 50%+ about half a dozen time? And I bet he isn't the only one you either deliberately left off the list to push your agenda or just blatantly copied it somewhere.
Jordan ist just on another level than Kobe. Deal with it.
asdf1990
03-23-2011, 01:06 PM
Why are you using FG% when kobe attempted triple the amount of threes?:oldlol: No shit his floor percentage is worse than jordan's when he's taking longer shots that are worth more. Scale it for points per possesion(eFG), or even more in depth with free throws incorporated(TS) and jordan is only ahead of kobe by 1-2% max.. This is because kobe was a better three point shooter and FT shooter than jordan(he's a better shooter overall than jordan). If you don't put their playstyles into context these stats mean nothing.
It's jordans fault kobes shot selection is crap right? They have the same playing style except Jordan took shots from where he wanted to, not with 10 hands in his face 10 feet behind the three point line.
juju151111
03-23-2011, 01:08 PM
so Kobe barley played his first couple years and played half a season in a lockout...:confusedshrug:
He not better then MJ. Even Phil doesn't think so in his recent interview and this is phil sugarcoating it because he coaches KB. Wat will happen with no restriction next year when he retires? Phil said he was a low % guy.:lol I see u crying when gives that interview.
Disaprine
03-23-2011, 01:09 PM
"Is Kobe as good as MJ?" thread isn't good enough for you dipshits. :lol
AlphaWolf24
03-23-2011, 01:11 PM
This list isn't even complete, you idiot. Ever heard of that guy Nash? You know, that GUARD who shot 50%+ about half a dozen time? And I bet he isn't the only one you either deliberately left off the list to push your agenda or just blatantly copied it somewhere.
Jordan ist just on another level than Kobe. Deal with it.
calm down Turbo.......
Nash never averaged 20+PPG 50%FG like I said.
2EZ NEXT
wtf man!!?!?!?
why are we comparing kobe to jordan all the time when jordan always humiliates him in any comparasant anyways???? whats the ****ing point??
give kobe some chanse.... compare him to clyde drexler or something.... maybe he can win....
asdf1990
03-23-2011, 01:14 PM
wtf man!!?!?!?
why are we comparing kobe to jordan all the time when jordan always humiliates him in any comparasant anyways???? whats the ****ing point??
give kobe some chanse.... compare him to clyde drexler or something.... maybe he can win....
Lol'd. . Kobe stans have no dignity they keep coming back after getting humiliated.
noob cake
03-23-2011, 01:15 PM
Why does Kobestan's even try? Pick a fight against another SG and perhaps Kobe can become the 2nd best SG ever.
Too bad, the universal basketball GOAT happened to take form as a SG. Poor Kobe.
ukplayer4
03-23-2011, 01:16 PM
alpha wolf and his 2 or 3 followers just continue to make kobe fans look worse and worse.:facepalm
chazzy
03-23-2011, 01:20 PM
ITT: more people taking Alphawolf very, very seriously
RazorBaLade
03-23-2011, 01:21 PM
Lol'd. . Kobe stans have no dignity they keep coming back after getting humiliated.
i dont understand. where has anyone on this website said that kobe is the goat?
asdf1990
03-23-2011, 01:22 PM
i dont understand. where has anyone on this website said that kobe is the goat?
Lol there is a 80 page thread just scroll down a little bit.
RazorBaLade
03-23-2011, 01:27 PM
Lol there is a 80 page thread just scroll down a little bit.
80 pages are like a thousand replies, theres nothing even CLOSE on the first few pages... link me
ill be back in a few hrs..... ive honestly in my year or so on this site seen maybe 2 posts seriously saying that kobe has a chance to be goat.
asdf1990
03-23-2011, 01:33 PM
80 pages are like a thousand replies, theres nothing even CLOSE on the first few pages... link me
ill be back in a few hrs..... ive honestly in my year or so on this site seen maybe 2 posts seriously saying that kobe has a chance to be goat.
Hence I said Kobe "stans" I never said a respectful laker/Kobe fan. I see it 10 time everyday from Kobe "stans" . They make irrational comments.
ProfessorMurder
03-23-2011, 01:48 PM
Kobe 25 games (9 against teams who made the playoffs)
MJ 39 games (32 against teams who made the playoffs)
http://i864.photobucket.com/albums/ab207/dodgerslugger/Blackguyslaughing.gif
http://beliketike.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/michael-jordan-cigar.jpg
Poochymama
03-23-2011, 01:49 PM
i dont understand. where has anyone on this website said that kobe is the goat?
Just one person on this site(AlphaWolf), but he says it in some form or fashion about 10 times a day
0000000
03-23-2011, 01:51 PM
Kobe sacrificed his scoring because of Shaq and it's a pitty because once Shaq was out, Kobe was crazy.
No doubt in my mind Kobe would have much more than 39 50 pt games if he didn't play 8 years with Shaq. Too bad. Would've been cool to see some more 70 pt, 80 pt games....he was capable of doing it as well. He can be streaky and inconsistent with shooting when he catches fire...there's pretty much nothing he can't score. I'm positive Kobe would'e had like 3 80 pt games if he didn't spend his physical prime playing with Shaq.
olddangerfield
03-23-2011, 01:53 PM
I hope people realize that 50 is just an arbitrary number, just like all other basketball stat phenonem such as the triple double. What if someone got 30/15/8? would it be less impressive than a 10/10/10 game? Is 49 that much less than 50? What if kobe had more 49+ games and Jordan had more 50+ games?
pegasus
03-23-2011, 01:53 PM
Yes...and MJ also played most of his career in a completly differnt era when talking about defense and FG%...
This is the list of guards/small forwards who shot over 50% and had 20+ PPG during MJ's era(1985-1998).
Michael Jordan - 6 times
Chris Mullen - 6 times
Adrian Dantley - 4 times
Kiki Vandewedge - 4 times
Reggie Miller - 3 times
James Worthy - 3 times
Alex English - 3 times
Dale Ellis - 3 times
Magic Johnson - 2 times
Penny Hardaway - 2 times
Kevin Johnson - 2 times
Clyde Drexler - 2 times
Cedric Ceballos - 2 times
Mark Aguirre - 2 times
Gary Payton - once
Byron Scott - once
Rolando Blackman - once
Walter Davis - once
Jeff Hornacek - once
Otis Birdsong - once
Jeff Malone - once
George Gervin - once
Drazen Petrovic - once
Reggie Lewis - once
Derek Smith - once
Scottie Pippen - once
And here is the list of guards/small forwards who shot over 50% and had 20+ PPG during the post-Lockout era(2000-2010).
Lebron James - once
Chris Paul - once
Tony Parker - once
Monta Ellis - once
Shawn Marion - once
So in MJ's era it was done 56 times by 26 different players.
In the last 11 years, it has been done only 5 times by 5 different players.
here are the league averages for all the years MJ shot over 50%.
88' - 48%
89' - 47.7%
90' - 47.6%
91' - 47.4%
92' - 47.2%
And here are the league averages in the post-MJ era.
00' - 44.9%
01' - 44.3%
02' - 44.5%
03' - 44.2%
04' - 43.9%
05' - 44.7%
06' - 45.4%
07' - 45.8%
08' - 45.7%
09' - 45.9%
10' - 46.1%
so looking at this MJ's and Kobe's FG% is marginal at best.
also......TS% difference in both players is 1.7%:confusedshrug:
I'd never paid attention to this poster before (not intentionally), but he does have a point here. Still, MJ > Kobe, though.
jstern
03-23-2011, 02:11 PM
I'd never paid attention to this poster before (not intentionally), but he does have a point here. Still, MJ > Kobe, though.
The only thing is that I wouldn't trust that poster cause he lies by misleading. For example, I randomly picked Reggie Miller, he only shot 50% a couple of times in his career, so because of that he goes under the criteria he made up. He lies by misleading, the same way Griffmoney now tries to crow bar in that he's been watching the NBA since his 11, ever since I started calling him out that he said that he's 26 and has been watching since he was 20.
There were 84 50 point games from the 2000s, here's a link, can you name them.
http://www.sporcle.com/games/Zander/NBA_2000s_50_point_games
Edit: I read wrong, I thought it was players who scored over 50 points. But none the lest, I wouldn't trust him.
jstern
03-23-2011, 02:17 PM
http://i864.photobucket.com/albums/ab207/dodgerslugger/Blackguyslaughing.gif
http://beliketike.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/michael-jordan-cigar.jpg
This is the most important stats, cause it's more relative. Along with the opponent season record.
KB2clutch
03-23-2011, 02:29 PM
jordan doesnt have a case if you want to compare scoring ability, call me when jordan comes close 81 points or 62 in three quarters
Difference is, in all of MJ's 50 point games, he was being guarded by guys like this:
http://hoopedia.nba.com/images/a/a3/ALCerviSyracuse.jpg
http://cdn3.iofferphoto.com/img/item/144/416/597/AmpI.jpg
http://cityofdunkirkimprovementcommittee.com/images/Don%20Stewart,%20basketball%20team%20member%20from %20the%201920's.jpg
tommyhtc
03-23-2011, 02:46 PM
Difference is, in all of MJ's 50 point games, he was being guarded by guys like this:
http://hoopedia.nba.com/images/a/a3/ALCerviSyracuse.jpg
http://cdn3.iofferphoto.com/img/item/144/416/597/AmpI.jpg
http://cityofdunkirkimprovementcommittee.com/images/Don%20Stewart,%20basketball%20team%20member%20from %20the%201920's.jpg
or this?
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3478/3744361216_37036ba02f.jpg
juju151111
03-23-2011, 02:48 PM
Difference is, in all of MJ's 50 point games, he was being guarded by guys like this:
http://hoopedia.nba.com/images/a/a3/ALCerviSyracuse.jpg
http://cdn3.iofferphoto.com/img/item/144/416/597/AmpI.jpg
http://cityofdunkirkimprovementcommittee.com/images/Don%20Stewart,%20basketball%20team%20member%20from %20the%201920's.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye-0ghhY7uw huh 39 years old with no knees .
or this?
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3478/3744361216_37036ba02f.jpg
http://www.clevercaption.com/uploadedImages/bud/_midget-basketball-players.jpg
http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Sports/images/midget-basketball.jpg
http://borntopurple.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/jordan_bogues.jpg
Some teams of the Jordan era:
http://www.jproc.ca/rrp/albro_lake_basketball_team_b.jpg
http://www.insidesocal.com/tomhoffarth/Marathon%2520Basketball.jpg
rodman91
03-23-2011, 03:00 PM
And here is the list of guards/small forwards who shot over 50% and had 20+ PPG during the post-Lockout era(2000-2010).
Lebron James - once
Chris Paul - once
Tony Parker - once
Monta Ellis - once
Shawn Marion - once
Where is Kobe in that list? Are you saying he couldn't do what Shawn Marion did? Blasemy!!!
:roll:
AlphaWolf24
03-23-2011, 03:01 PM
The only thing is that I wouldn't trust that poster cause he lies by misleading. For example, I randomly picked Reggie Miller, he only shot 50% a couple of times in his career, so because of that he goes under the criteria he made up. He lies by misleading, the same way Griffmoney now tries to crow bar in that he's been watching the NBA since his 11, ever since I started calling him out that he said that he's 26 and has been watching since he was 20.
There were 84 50 point games from the 2000s, here's a link, can you name them.
http://www.sporcle.com/games/Zander/NBA_2000s_50_point_games
Edit: I read wrong, I thought it was players who scored over 50 points. But none the lest, I wouldn't trust him.
U can't see me...I'm on 3 tiers ahead of you.....you can't understand what I spit.
next
necya
03-23-2011, 03:04 PM
Where is Kobe in that list? Are you saying he couldn't do what Shawn Marion did? Blasemy!!!
:roll:
:roll:
AlphaWolf24
03-23-2011, 03:05 PM
Where is Kobe in that list? Are you saying he couldn't do what Shawn Marion did? Blasemy!!!
:roll:
2002 - MJ shot 41.6% FG, 46.8% TS
2003 - MJ shot 44.5% FG, 49.1% TS
yawns.......next
Colby Brian
03-23-2011, 03:32 PM
wtf, nobody said kobe was better
anyways kobe has more 60 point games than mj
kobe - 5
mj - 4
lol all the haterz think there owning kobe discussions while comparing him to the goat, why dont you compare lebron or wade to mj
kobe = top 10 all time, at age 32, hes a legend, haterz just mad
necya
03-23-2011, 03:47 PM
wtf, nobody said kobe was better
anyways kobe has more 60 point games than mj
kobe - 5
mj - 4
lol all the haterz think there owning kobe discussions while comparing him to the goat, why dont you compare lebron or wade to mj
kobe = top 10 all time, at age 32, hes a legend, haterz just mad
:facepalm you don't know even count:roll:
Colby Brian
03-23-2011, 03:49 PM
:facepalm you don't know even count:roll:
???
necya
03-23-2011, 04:04 PM
???
yeah that's exactly what happens in my brain when i read a post from you and all the other kobe stans.
rodman91
03-23-2011, 04:15 PM
2002 - MJ shot 41.6% FG, 46.8% TS
2003 - MJ shot 44.5% FG, 49.1% TS
yawns.......next
40 years old injured Jordan had better %FG than Kobe's finals. Got it :lol
asdf1990
03-23-2011, 04:24 PM
40 years old injured Jordan had better %FG than Kobe's finals. Got it :lol
lol'd .
SavageMode
03-23-2011, 05:02 PM
[SIZE="5"]
Seasons over 30 points per game:
Michael Jordan: 8
Kobe Bryant: 2
Seasons over 32 points per game:
Michael Jordan: 5
Kobe Bryant: 1
In NBA history, there are 13 50 point games with under 50% shooting, and Kobe Bryant is responsible for 6 of them.
Kobe Bryant also has:
2nd worst known game score for a player scoring 10+ points. (5-21 shooting)
2nd worst known game score for a player scoring 30+ points. (11-29)
Worst and 4th worst known game scores for a player scoring 40+ points. (17-47, 12-30)
Regular season
Seasons under 50% shooting
Kobe Bryant: 14
Michael Jordan: 9
Seasons under 48% shooting:
Kobe Bryant: 14
Michael Jordan: 5
Seasons over 50% shooting:
Kobe Bryant: 0
Michael Jordan: 6
Seasons over 52% shooting:
Kobe Bryant: 0
Michael Jordan: 4
Regular season
Games with under 50% shooting
Michael Jordan: 489
Kobe Bryant: 623
Regular season
Games with under 48% shooting
Michael Jordan: 458
Kobe Bryant: 599
Regular season
Games with under 46% shooting
Michael Jordan: 388
Kobe Bryant: 530
Regular season
Games with under 44% shooting
Michael Jordan: 296
Kobe Bryant: 452
Regular season
Games with under 42% shooting
Michael Jordan: 234
Kobe Bryant: 393
Regular season
Games with under 40% shooting
Michael Jordan: 158
Kobe Bryant: 317
Regular season
Games with under 35% shooting
Michael Jordan: 88
Kobe Bryant: 192
Regular season
Games with under 30% shooting
Michael Jordan: 41
Kobe Bryant: 97
Regular season
Games with 60% or better shooting
Michael "Air" Jordan: 173
Kobe "Bean" Bryant: 123
Regular season
Games with 50% or better shooting
Michael "Air" Jordan: 556
Kobe "Bean" Bryant: 393
Regular season
Games with 20 shots made on 60% or better shooting
MJ: 16
Kobe: 3
Rookie of the Year
Michael Jordan: Yes
Kobe Bryant: No
In his rookie year, Michael Jordan led his team in scoring, rebounding, assists and steals. Kobe Bryant wasn't good enough to beat out Eddie Jones for the starting spot his rookie year.
All-Rookie First Team
Michael Jordan: Yes
Kobe Bryant: No
Regular season & Playoffs combined
Games with 12 or more assists
Michael Air Jordan: 32
Kobe Bryant: 19
Regular season & Playoffs combined
Games with 10 or more assists:
Michael Air Jordan: 87
Kobe Bean Bryant: 74
Regular season & Playoffs combined
Games with 5 or more assists:
Michael Air Jordan: 663
Kobe Bean Bryant: 593
Regular season & Playoffs combined
Games with less than 3 assists:
Michael Air Jordan: 179
Kobe Bryant: 261
Regular season & Playoffs combined
Games with less than 2 assists:
Michael Air Jordan: 61
Kobe Bryant: 142
Regular season & Playoffs combined
Games with 0 assists:
Michael Air Jordan: 7
Kobe Bryant: 57
Regular season & Playoffs combined
Games with at least 15 rebounds:
Michael Air Jordan: 10
Kobe Bryant: 5
Regular season & Playoffs combined
Games with at least 12 rebounds:
Michael Air Jordan: 66
Kobe Bryant: 29
Percentage of points scored on free throws:
Michael Air Jordan: 22.9%
Kobe Bryant: 25.1%
Record in games with 30+ shot attempts
Michael Air Jordan: 72-57 (.558)
Kobe Bean Bryant: 46-61 (.368)
Michael Jordan shot his team to wins, Kobe Bryant shoots his team out of wins.
Seasons with at least 200 steals:
Michael Air Jordan: 6
Kobe Bryant: 0
Seasons with at least 150 steals:
Michael Air Jordan: 9
Kobe Bryant: 2
Seasons with at least 100 blocks:
Michael Air Jordan: 2
Kobe Bryant: 0
Seasons with at least 75 blocks:
Michael Air Jordan: 4
Kobe Bryant: 0
Defensive Player of the Year awards
Michael Jordan: 1
Kobe Bryant: 0
Michael averaged 35 points per game when he won defensive player of the year. The next closest scorer to win it had 27 ppg. Guards rarely receive Defensive Player of the Year. Think about the level of energy it takes to lead the league in scoring, and be the league's best defender.
Regular season & Playoffs combined
40 point or higher games
MJ: 211
Kobe: 115
Regular season & Playoffs combined
30 point or higher games
MJ: 671
Kobe: 415
Career Player Efficiency Rating
Michael Jordan: 27.91
Kobe Bryant: 23.50
Olympic Gold Medals
Michael Jordan: 2
Kobe Bryant: 1
Michael Jordan is one of three players to win an Olympic gold as both an amateur (1984) and professional (1992). The other players are Patrick Ewing and Chris Mullin, who did it with him.
All Star Game:
Jordan
creepingdeath
03-23-2011, 05:50 PM
http://i864.photobucket.com/albums/ab207/dodgerslugger/Blackguyslaughing.gif
http://beliketike.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/michael-jordan-cigar.jpg
You've finally changed that horrible avatar of yours. :pimp:
Heat007
03-23-2011, 06:08 PM
[QUOTE=SavageMode][SIZE="5"]
Seasons over 30 points per game:
Michael Jordan: 8
Kobe Bryant: 2
Seasons over 32 points per game:
Michael Jordan: 5
Kobe Bryant: 1
In NBA history, there are 13 50 point games with under 50% shooting, and Kobe Bryant is responsible for 6 of them.
Kobe Bryant also has:
2nd worst known game score for a player scoring 10+ points. (5-21 shooting)
2nd worst known game score for a player scoring 30+ points. (11-29)
Worst and 4th worst known game scores for a player scoring 40+ points. (17-47, 12-30)
Regular season
Seasons under 50% shooting
Kobe Bryant: 14
Michael Jordan: 9
Seasons under 48% shooting:
Kobe Bryant: 14
Michael Jordan: 5
Seasons over 50% shooting:
Kobe Bryant: 0
Michael Jordan: 6
Seasons over 52% shooting:
Kobe Bryant: 0
Michael Jordan: 4
Regular season
Games with under 50% shooting
Michael Jordan: 489
Kobe Bryant: 623
Regular season
Games with under 48% shooting
Michael Jordan: 458
Kobe Bryant: 599
Regular season
Games with under 46% shooting
Michael Jordan: 388
Kobe Bryant: 530
Regular season
Games with under 44% shooting
Michael Jordan: 296
Kobe Bryant: 452
Regular season
Games with under 42% shooting
Michael Jordan: 234
Kobe Bryant: 393
Regular season
Games with under 40% shooting
Michael Jordan: 158
Kobe Bryant: 317
Regular season
Games with under 35% shooting
Michael Jordan: 88
Kobe Bryant: 192
Regular season
Games with under 30% shooting
Michael Jordan: 41
Kobe Bryant: 97
Regular season
Games with 60% or better shooting
Michael "Air" Jordan: 173
Kobe "Bean" Bryant: 123
Regular season
Games with 50% or better shooting
Michael "Air" Jordan: 556
Kobe "Bean" Bryant: 393
Regular season
Games with 20 shots made on 60% or better shooting
MJ: 16
Kobe: 3
Rookie of the Year
Michael Jordan: Yes
Kobe Bryant: No
In his rookie year, Michael Jordan led his team in scoring, rebounding, assists and steals. Kobe Bryant wasn't good enough to beat out Eddie Jones for the starting spot his rookie year.
All-Rookie First Team
Michael Jordan: Yes
Kobe Bryant: No
Regular season & Playoffs combined
Games with 12 or more assists
Michael Air Jordan: 32
Kobe Bryant: 19
Regular season & Playoffs combined
Games with 10 or more assists:
Michael Air Jordan: 87
Kobe Bean Bryant: 74
Regular season & Playoffs combined
Games with 5 or more assists:
Michael Air Jordan: 663
Kobe Bean Bryant: 593
Regular season & Playoffs combined
Games with less than 3 assists:
Michael Air Jordan: 179
Kobe Bryant: 261
Regular season & Playoffs combined
Games with less than 2 assists:
Michael Air Jordan: 61
Kobe Bryant: 142
Regular season & Playoffs combined
Games with 0 assists:
Michael Air Jordan: 7
Kobe Bryant: 57
Regular season & Playoffs combined
Games with at least 15 rebounds:
Michael Air Jordan: 10
Kobe Bryant: 5
Regular season & Playoffs combined
Games with at least 12 rebounds:
Michael Air Jordan: 66
Kobe Bryant: 29
Percentage of points scored on free throws:
Michael Air Jordan: 22.9%
Kobe Bryant: 25.1%
Record in games with 30+ shot attempts
Michael Air Jordan: 72-57 (.558)
Kobe Bean Bryant: 46-61 (.368)
Michael Jordan shot his team to wins, Kobe Bryant shoots his team out of wins.
Seasons with at least 200 steals:
Michael Air Jordan: 6
Kobe Bryant: 0
Seasons with at least 150 steals:
Michael Air Jordan: 9
Kobe Bryant: 2
Seasons with at least 100 blocks:
Michael Air Jordan: 2
Kobe Bryant: 0
Seasons with at least 75 blocks:
Michael Air Jordan: 4
Kobe Bryant: 0
Defensive Player of the Year awards
Michael Jordan: 1
Kobe Bryant: 0
Michael averaged 35 points per game when he won defensive player of the year. The next closest scorer to win it had 27 ppg. Guards rarely receive Defensive Player of the Year. Think about the level of energy it takes to lead the league in scoring, and be the league's best defender.
Regular season & Playoffs combined
40 point or higher games
MJ: 211
Kobe: 115
Regular season & Playoffs combined
30 point or higher games
MJ: 671
Kobe: 415
Career Player Efficiency Rating
Michael Jordan: 27.91
Kobe Bryant: 23.50
Olympic Gold Medals
Michael Jordan: 2
Kobe Bryant: 1
Michael Jordan is one of three players to win an Olympic gold as both an amateur (1984) and professional (1992). The other players are Patrick Ewing and Chris Mullin, who did it with him.
All Star Game:
Jordan
AlphaWolf24
03-23-2011, 06:15 PM
40 years old injured Jordan had better %FG than Kobe's finals. Got it :lol
What ever makes you feel better so you can sleep.....
Jordan was 38 (younger then Grant Hill is now)....
Jordan was a 42 - 45% shooter in the modern era....
recognize game.
http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr320/BruceBlitz/kobe_a_GIFSoupcom.gif
macpierce
03-23-2011, 06:17 PM
kobe got the most 50 point games since MJ, respect
damn, kome seriously shot 17-47 in one game? :lol
rodman91
03-23-2011, 08:27 PM
What ever makes you feel better so you can sleep.....
Jordan was 38 (younger then Grant Hill is now)....
Jordan was a 42 - 45% shooter in the modern era....
Kobe's career = 45 FG% :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: you just shot your own leg.
AlphaWolf24
03-23-2011, 08:28 PM
Kobe's career = 45 FG% :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: you just shot your own leg.
So MJ and Kobe shoot nearly identical FG% in the modern era????:confusedshrug:
that's what I've been saying....
Next
whoartthou
03-23-2011, 08:42 PM
How many did MJ have before the age 32???....and how many Losing seasons???
Kobe is still playing....understand?
MJ IS A BEAST.
:bowdown: :bowdown:
whoartthou
03-23-2011, 08:43 PM
So MJ and Kobe shoot nearly identical FG% in the modern era????:confusedshrug:
that's what I've been saying....
Next
why is this dood comparing 39 daddy mj to prime kobe? :rolleyes: :facepalm
SavageMode
03-23-2011, 08:55 PM
why is this dood comparing 39 daddy mj to prime kobe? :rolleyes: :facepalm
39 year old daddy MJ = Prime Kobe. :roll:
Colby Brian
03-23-2011, 08:57 PM
39 year old daddy MJ = Prime Kobe. :roll:
just shows how smart you are, nobody takes you seriously troll
asdf1990
03-23-2011, 08:59 PM
39 year old daddy MJ = Prime Kobe. :roll:
hey man u gotta make it fair for kobe. Comparing him to prime jordan isn't fair.
Colby Brian
03-23-2011, 09:00 PM
hey man u gotta make it fair for kobe. Comparing him to prime jordan isn't fair.
kobe - 35.4, 5, 5 in prime
Calabis
03-23-2011, 09:02 PM
...simple question..."why don't you just show how many MJ had at the similar age"...Kobe aint scoring 50 playing 15 minutes a game at 18 - 19 years old.
:facepalm @ Jordan stans
But yet you still fail to use games played, Kobe has already played more games and more games in the playoffs.....so by your standard let's use 1089 Games for Kobe and less then 700 for MJ then compare:facepalm .... this is why Kobehomers are retarded, they need to remove career accomplishments, stats, and now seasons and games, from other players and come up with some hypothetical garbage
Teanett
03-23-2011, 09:04 PM
doesnt it get boring comparing the two?
especially since it's clear that kobe has no chance?
Calabis
03-23-2011, 09:12 PM
jordan doesnt have a case if you want to compare scoring ability, call me when jordan comes close 81 points or 62 in three quarters
Call me when Kobe actually has one of these outbursts in the playoffs
glidedrxlr22
03-23-2011, 09:17 PM
Hey AlphaDouche. During Jordan's era most players had gone to college 3-4 years and were more seasoned shooters. Now there are more teams, more...bad players making teams, and definitely more underclassmen who don't have the fundamentals down pat.
Calabis
03-23-2011, 09:20 PM
Difference is, in all of MJ's 50 point games, he was being guarded by guys like this:
http://hoopedia.nba.com/images/a/a3/ALCerviSyracuse.jpg
http://cdn3.iofferphoto.com/img/item/144/416/597/AmpI.jpg
http://cityofdunkirkimprovementcommittee.com/images/Don%20Stewart,%20basketball%20team%20member%20from %20the%201920's.jpg
Again Jordan played against 6 Perimeter DPOY, Kobe 1:roll: that same one Jordan lit up at 39yoa for 19 straight 2nd Quarter points, finished with 29 and scored his 30k point on, nice try oh by the way, perimeter rule changes lead to this type of perimeter D
http://www.etftrends.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/matador2sm.jpg
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_ZF9qq1lCQXU/SQPVEYvtXJI/AAAAAAAAEHg/IrfAiUFdi84/9-41-10095-41-781-33-20070212115531_w650.jpg
Kobe held to 41% shooting by the 6'3 Eric Snow:roll:
http://im3.ebidst.com/upload_big/4/6/3/1269275286-7245-0.jpg
Kobe held in check by an old ass Reggie Miller, who by the way, Kobe stated was the toughest player he ever guarded....:roll: Miller was old as hell
AlphaWolf24
03-23-2011, 11:06 PM
Hey AlphaDouche. During Jordan's era most players had gone to college 3-4 years and were more seasoned shooters. Now there are more teams, more...bad players making teams, and definitely more underclassmen who don't have the fundamentals down pat.
"AlphaDouche"??...come on son....your better then that....No originality.
John Starks Bagged Grocery's in Oklahoma before getting a call to come guard Jordan...then stuck his bag of almonds on his chin....Watered down 90's one of the worst era's of basketball...IMO below the 1980's and the 2000's...especially in talent pool and skill.
http://images4.fanpop.com/image/user_images/2196000/AlphaWolf-2196412_460_473.jpg
2EZ...NEXT
whoartthou
03-24-2011, 12:11 AM
Again Jordan played against 6 Perimeter DPOY, Kobe 1:roll: that same one Jordan lit up at 39yoa for 19 straight 2nd Quarter points, finished with 29 and scored his 30k point on, nice try oh by the way, perimeter rule changes lead to this type of perimeter D
http://www.etftrends.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/matador2sm.jpg
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_ZF9qq1lCQXU/SQPVEYvtXJI/AAAAAAAAEHg/IrfAiUFdi84/9-41-10095-41-781-33-20070212115531_w650.jpg
Kobe held to 41% shooting by the 6'3 Eric Snow:roll:
http://im3.ebidst.com/upload_big/4/6/3/1269275286-7245-0.jpg
Kobe held in check by an old ass Reggie Miller, who by the way, Kobe stated was the toughest player he ever guarded....:roll: Miller was old as hell
:roll: :roll: :roll:
watch kobe stans state how eric snow is an athletic freak with an insane wing span.
whoartthou
03-24-2011, 12:12 AM
"AlphaDouche"??...come on son....your better then that....No originality.
John Starks Bagged Grocery's in Oklahoma before getting a call to come guard Jordan...then stuck his bag of almonds on his chin....Watered down 90's one of the worst era's of basketball...IMO below the 1980's and the 2000's...especially in talent pool and skill.
http://images4.fanpop.com/image/user_images/2196000/AlphaWolf-2196412_460_473.jpg
2EZ...NEXT
eric snow and old ass reggie miller shut down kobe, LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
sekachu
03-24-2011, 02:43 AM
What ever makes you feel better so you can sleep.....
Jordan was 38 (younger then Grant Hill is now)....
Jordan was a 42 - 45% shooter in the modern era....
recognize game.
http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr320/BruceBlitz/kobe_a_GIFSoupcom.gif
You can fxxk 3 times a day when you are 20s, 3 times a week when you are 30s, 2 times a month when you are 40s. Do you know why?:D
HighFlyer23
03-24-2011, 03:05 AM
Tim Grover, who has trained Kobe, Lebron, and Jordan, was asked who would win a 1-on-1 battle of Jordan vs. either of the other two:
Tim Grover: "Oh, Michael. No question. From a physical and mental standpoint, he's the best I've ever seen. If he were playing now, with the way the refs call everything, and with all the padding these guys wear, he'd average 40 or 50 a night if he wanted."
:confusedshrug:
Ruutu
03-24-2011, 05:18 AM
Tim Grover, who has trained Kobe, Lebron, and Jordan, was asked who would win a 1-on-1 battle of Jordan vs. either of the other two:
Tim Grover: "Oh, Michael. No question. From a physical and mental standpoint, he's the best I've ever seen. If he were playing now, with the way the refs call everything, and with all the padding these guys wear, he'd average 40 or 50 a night if he wanted."
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MJ is GOAT. All the players who played against him have said that why would you guys sitting home think that you know better! Even Kobe has said that and you stans talk against your idol! Just stupid argument!
brownmamba00
03-26-2011, 03:31 PM
Thanks for reminding us MJ is better then Kobe. Thank you captain obvious
SkyR#1fanCapCou
03-26-2011, 03:47 PM
"AlphaDouche"??...come on son....your better then that....No originality.
John Starks Bagged Grocery's in Oklahoma before getting a call to come guard Jordan...then stuck his bag of almonds on his chin....Watered down 90's one of the worst era's of basketball...IMO below the 1980's and the 2000's...especially in talent pool and skill.
http://images4.fanpop.com/image/user_images/2196000/AlphaWolf-2196412_460_473.jpg
2EZ...NEXT
Starks best moment ever:bowdown:
in a series where the Bulls won:D .
ElGee
03-26-2011, 07:14 PM
I'd never paid attention to this poster before (not intentionally), but he does have a point here. Still, MJ > Kobe, though.
No, there's a massive problem. He's using FG%, which includes 3-point shots. FG% dropped because people took way more 3's -- people like Kobe -- but the rate of scoring remained the same because 3-point shots, you know, count 1.5x more than 2-point shots.
The reality is the ORtg from 1988-1993 and from 2006-2010 are quite similar:
88 108.0
89 107.8
90 108.1
91 107.9
92 108.2
93 108.0
06 106.2
07 106.5
08 107.5
09 108.3
10 107.6
11 107.2
This myth that there is super difference in scoring environment between this two periods is utterly bogus and completely unsubstantiated. Many perimeter player season-records were set after rule changes in 2005 freed up perimeter player movement.
ElGee
03-26-2011, 07:17 PM
why dont u morons compare brons to this? EVERY1 looks bad next to jordan. none of us kobe fans think kobe is the goat. we're hoping for t5.
also can we see the 40 pt games or does that not fit your agenda
This might answer your question: http://elgee35.wordpress.com/2011/02/12/variance-volume-and-elite-wings-part-ii/
(Also note 7 of the 9 players on that list at the top of the post are from the 2000s, not the 80s or 90s.)
whoartthou
03-26-2011, 08:44 PM
This might answer your question: http://elgee35.wordpress.com/2011/02/12/variance-volume-and-elite-wings-part-ii/
(Also note 7 of the 9 players on that list at the top of the post are from the 2000s, not the 80s or 90s.)
yep, thats because of the rule changes. It is amazing how much easier the rule changes made it to score for perimeter players
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