George Carlin had it right

[Stephen_H]

Seems the world just keeps spinning more and more out of control.. Rule of law has become a joke, people are becoming dumber and lazier, values and morality are all but absent. Well George Carlin had the right idea. He gave up on us and was happier for it. I think he may have been on to something!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KPEJNGAlqw

"I gave up on my species and I gave up on my nation"

[joe]

I do think materialism is out of control in a lot of ways. And I'm a George Carlin fanatic, don't get me wrong.

But at the same time, people have got to eat. It's just part of the deal of being a biological organism. And unless you're doing laborious agriculture work, stealing food, or hunting food, the only way to eat is to provide someone else with a useful service.

You often hear people say, "we squandered our gifts as a species.. this wonderful mind, and the best we can come up with is cell phones." That's true to an extent, but isn't it such a logical outcome given the human need to eat to survive? What else are we gonna do? "Help" each other? Devote all of our resources to science and knowledge? That's noble, but where are we gonna get the money to do that? Who is going to provide us with the food to nourish us as we learn? Who's going to spend their precious time and resources to create the necessary technology? It's not going to fall out of the sky.

It's not like one day people just up and decided that corporations and jobs are something we should all be doing. It's that they're a natural progression in the human time line, stemming from our need to eat.

Does it go to far? Definitely. But no individual HAS to keep up with the pack. If you want, you can work part time and live a minimalist lifestyle, build your own house. You can do whatever you want, because we're a mostly free country.

[mcrd101]

this thread gets rep solely for its title. He usually does.

In 11th grade, i wrote a 10 page paper on him. We had to write a paper on someone revolutionary

[Ol Dirty Bastard]

I get very depressed when I think about George Carlin's death.

[Riddler]

Seems the world just keeps spinning more and more out of control.. Rule of law has become a joke, people are becoming dumber and lazier, values and morality are all but absent. Well George Carlin had the right idea. He gave up on us and was happier for it. I think he may have been on to something!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KPEJNGAlqw

"I gave up on my species and I gave up on my nation"


Wow... that video was good.

especially the part about getting a "Big Truck"... and spinning down the drain was a good analogy too.

[Riddler]

I get very depressed when I think about George Carlin's death.


I'm just like him... I hope I get to see all this $hit go down the drain (but from a distance).

[Riddler]

He is wrong about praying.

[AirGauge23]

"Everyone's got a Cell Phone that'll make pancakes and rub their balls"

:oldlol:

[bagelred]

I don't think a comedian like Carlin could become famous and successful anymore. There really is no counterculture anymore. Everything is very sanitized and "Americanized". No one discusses the stuff he did. Both hilarious and thought provoking. Of course, he could do the silly stuff too.....his range of topics were amazing.

In my mind, Carlin is easily the greatest stand up comedian of all time.


"Why is it people who are against abortion are people you wouldn't want to f-ck in the first place?" One of his best lines....so true.........

[miller-time]

just watched this clip from my dinner with andre (was referenced in new episode of community)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOZ0l-uir6s

[Riddler]

just watched this clip from my dinner with andre (was referenced in new episode of community)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOZ0l-uir6s


:applause:

[L.Kizzle]

Legend

[RidonKs]

just watched this clip from my dinner with andre (was referenced in new episode of community)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOZ0l-uir6s
great movie. f*cking tangential as all hell, but still really great.

[Stuckey]

He is wrong about praying.

oh really? enlighten us

[Riddler]

oh really? enlighten us


If you have given up on your own species... then I would hope
it's because you have turned to God.


I have no hope in this world... but I have hope in God.



Carlin is saying f*ck the country... f*ck the world... f*ck the human race.... f*ck God...

whoa... whoa... whoa... whoa...

that's too far.... f*ck the Church, but let's not talk $hit about God.

[macmac]

So you've given up on reality but you haven't yet given up on a figment of our collective imagination? I think that's even worst. Because now, you're hopeless and delusional.

[Riddler]

So you've given up on reality but you haven't yet given up on a figment of our collective imagination? I think that's even worst. Because now, you're hopeless and delusional.


There is nothing wrong with having faith. (and nobody said anything about giving up on reality)

[Stuckey]

If you have given up on your own species... then I would hope
it's because you have turned to God.


I have no hope in this world... but I have hope in God.



Carlin is saying f*ck the country... f*ck the world... f*ck the human race.... f*ck God...

whoa... whoa... whoa... whoa...

that's too far.... f*ck the Church, but let's not talk $hit about God.


i was referring to how praying works? what's the point of having hope and faith that god will fulfill your needs in this realm, if something happens dont thank god, thank the compassion of your fellow man

[Patrick Chewing]

Not sure I follow Carlin here. We've advanced so much technologically in the last 50 years and have actually gotten further away from religion than ever before.

[macmac]

Not sure I follow Carlin here. We've advanced so much technologically in the last 50 years and have actually gotten further away from religion than ever before.

I agree. Carlin's comments are usually so concise and to the point, whereas here he just piles all his disdain in one giant melting pot. Religion has not been a cause for the intellectual decline and moral bankruptcy of modern day society.

[Ass Dan]

Carlin is a beacon of truth in a deluge of overflowing sewers sweeping over our great nation like a shit tsunami. Too bad he's gone.

[Riddler]

i was referring to how praying works? what's the point of having hope and faith that god will fulfill your needs in this realm, if something happens dont thank god, thank the compassion of your fellow man


why can't you thank both?

[Stuckey]

why can't you thank both?

i mean just the idea of praying, is kind of frivolous, god already knows what you want

my mother always uses the saying "god helps those who help themselves" which means we bear full responsibility of our success and failure, god will not help someone just because he prays

[Riddler]

i mean just the idea of praying, is kind of frivolous, god already knows what you want

my mother always uses the saying "god helps those who help themselves" which means we bear full responsibility of our success and failure, god will not help someone just because he prays



Look... this conversation could go a million different directions.

you either choose to BELIEVE... or you don't.


maybe there is a part of God that doesn't know what you want...:confusedshrug:

maybe The Holy Spirit, Jesus, and the Father (the Trinity) have to be in
perfect communion with each other for a prayer to be answered.

Maybe prayers don't work... and the Atheists are right.


I choose to believe that God answers prayers.... because if I choose to believe otherwise, then this World would really suck.




Yea... some of you people have lived life long enough to have a "spiritual"
awakening.... But most people get them... George Carlin unfortunately
never had one.... maybe he will be reincarnated and have one in the next life.

[Riddler]

And another subject Carlin is wrong about... this "God" stuff is not
primitive.

We are learning more and more as we evolve.

http://www.the11thhour.com/archives/042000/videoreviews/images/flatliners.jpg


we are starting to get actual "proof" of a higher power....

even from a scientific point of view, you have to acknowledge that are mysterious forces
at work. George Carlin seems to have chosen to stay closed minded about it... he doesn't
want to search for answers or explore the realms of spirituality, but ignore it all together
as "superstition".

he hates religion... and I can understand why people are turned off by religion... but spirituality/faith is something different.

[Stuckey]

Look... this conversation could go a million different directions.

you either choose to BELIEVE... or you don't.


maybe there is a part of God that doesn't know what you want...:confusedshrug:

maybe The Holy Spirit, Jesus, and the Father (the Trinity) have to be in
perfect communion with each other for a prayer to be answered.

Maybe prayers don't work... and the Atheists are right.


I choose to believe that God answers prayers.... because if I choose to believe otherwise, then this World would really suck.




Yea... some of you people have lived life long enough to have a "spiritual"
awakening.... But most people get them... George Carlin unfortunately
never had one.... maybe he will be reincarnated and have one in the next life.

doesn't that defy the definition of god as omnipotent all knowing

i have had a spiritual awakening, i know god exists

the three entities you mention are not separate and independent, if prayers were ever proven to happen, the most altruistic and/or religious people in the world would be in charge

[Riddler]

doesn't that defy the definition of god as omnipotent all knowing

i have had a spiritual awakening, i know god exists

the three entities you mention are not separate and independent, if prayers were ever proven to happen, the most altruistic and/or religious people in the world would be in charge


Two men once had an argument about a subject that is very similar to this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPFRZDotAQc


you seem to side more with Travolta and I side more with Samuel L Jackson.

[Slam91]

I honestly think people need to get real

Before you start believing in "magic" you need to approach everything with common sense, we have a very powerful brain and we should use it to find scientific reasons behind why things are happening, this is how we evolve, we find out how things work.

There aren't things that can't be explained, there are only things that can't be explained yet, because we haven't evolved to that state yet, and by explaining things as unexplainable and "magic" basically, is stagnating our evolution.

Everything in the world works by laws of nature and physics, don't give in to bullshit.

[Riddler]

There aren't things that can't be explained, there are only things that can't be explained yet, because we haven't evolved to that state yet, and by explaining things as unexplainable and "magic" basically, is stagnating our evolution.



and what if Science is able to someday prove that God exists.

[Slam91]

and what if Science is able to someday prove that God exists.
What the **** is god and why would you believe it exists? The idea of god is planted into your brain and has no relation to real life. Its because you were born into this brainwashed culture. If you were simply born in my country you wouldn't give two shits about god.

I have never prayed, never believed in the supernatural, I don't visit churches, etc, and I am happy that I am not wasting my time on that.

[Slam91]

and what if Science is able to someday prove that God exists.

And what if it proves the existence of the flying spaghetti monster?
Or what if it does prove the existence of "god"? So? If it does it does, but until then you should get real and don't give in to bullshit.

There are a lot more proof in conspiracies than in "god", yet believing in "god" is widespread and acceptable while if you dare to ask questions you are a "conspiracy nut".

This just shows how ****ed up our minds are.

[Riddler]

What the **** is god and why would you believe it exists?

God is Love and I believe it exists because I've felt it.

God is a creator...

[QUOTE]The Watchmaker argument

The watchmaker analogy consists of the comparison of some natural phenomenon to a watch. Typically, the analogy is presented as a prelude to the teleological argument and is generally presented as:
The complex inner workings of a watch necessitate an intelligent designer.
As with a watch, the complexity of X (a particular organ or organism, the structure of the solar system, life, the entire universe) necessitates a designer.

In this presentation, the watch analogy (step 1) does not function as a premise to an argument

[Slam91]

God is Love and I believe it exists because I've felt it.

God is a creator...


I too can feel love (caring and needing the company and compassion of another person) It is in the human nature BECAUSE WE ARE INHERENTLY TRIBAL ANIMALS. It is in our brains to feel the companionship of another person.



The is no way to know that yet... you may believe in
God 2morrow.


No, I may only believe in things that are not completely researched and not explained yet. I guess the general topic here is human psychology and I guess the throughout learning and understanding of our conscienceness.
But I haven't even felt anything that I couldn't explain.




Well... that's your problem right there.

Even from a scientific perspective you should not dismiss the possibility
that supernatural events have happened.

From a scientific perspective I totally dismiss the possibility of "SUPERNATURAL" nothing is supernatural because EVERYTHING WORKS BY THE LAWS OF NATURE AND PHYSICS. If god would be proven to exist, it would in itself make it not supernatural. Supernatural things can't exist, if it exists it is natural.



Go to my Unsolved Mysteries thread - are you calling millions of people liars?

No, I'm saying that things aren't researched enough and are not explained YET because we are wasting our resources on other crap that is stagnating our evolution.
And a good portion of these people are either brainwashed, decieving or simply uneducated. Many times a person simply wants to believe so much that he is decieving himself.


GOD ISN'T THE EXPLANATION TO ANYTHING.
TO ME "GOD" REPRESENTS THE GIVING UP ON FINDING A REAL EXPLANATION
Believing in god just means that you have given up on finding explanations to things and choose the more comfortable explanation that something cannot be explained and explain it by "god" which doesn't mean anything.

God is stagnating our evolution, it is in the best interests of "god" to stagnate our evolution because as we evolve we will be able to explain things better and explain why things are happening, even experiences in our consciousness.

[Riddler]

I too can feel love (caring and needing the company and compassion of another person) It is in the human nature BECAUSE WE ARE INHERENTLY TRIBAL ANIMALS. It is in our brains to feel the companionship of another person.

I don't believe we are Animals... I believe we are souls inside a physical body that can be classified as a mammal.

It goes way beyond your conscious mind... but from your soul.





But I haven't even felt anything that I couldn't explain.


One day... you will.






From a scientific perspective I totally dismiss the possibility of "SUPERNATURAL" nothing is supernatural because EVERYTHING WORKS BY THE LAWS OF NATURE AND PHYSICS. If god would be proven to exist, it would in itself make it not supernatural. Supernatural things can't exist, if it exists it is natural.


okay... so God is natural.

I don't know where you want to go with that argument, debating if God
is Natural or SuperNatural... that's kind of pointless. Perhaps you are
bringing up the topic of Metaphysics? :confusedshrug:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaphysics




No, I'm saying that things aren't researched enough and are not explained YET because we are wasting our resources on other crap that is stagnating our evolution.
And a good portion of these people are either brainwashed, decieving or simply uneducated. Many times a person simply wants to believe so much that he is decieving himself.

you shouldn't always look at brainwashing as a negative thing. Alcoholics
Anonymous is a complete form of Brainwashing... It may be brainwashing,
but it's saved peoples lives.

we are all brainwashed... but you have to ask yourself what kind of water
your brain is washing in... Is it washing in filthy water or clean water?
You have been brainwashed to believe that God doesn't exist.

If you think Prayer is a waist time... maybe you need to examine it more.



GOD ISN'T THE EXPLANATION TO ANYTHING.
TO ME "GOD" REPRESENTS THE GIVING UP ON FINDING A REAL EXPLANATION
Believing in god just means that you have given up on finding explanations to things and choose the more comfortable explanation that something cannot be explained and explain it by "god" which doesn't mean anything.

If you witnessed a miracle... why would you say it wasn't Gods Will?

you would have to be completely f*cking stupid to do that.

If I unloaded 6 bullets into your chest and they went right through you...
Do you want a scientific explanation or will you finally just let go
and believe it was God's will.




God is stagnating our evolution, it is in the best interests of "god" to stagnate our evolution because as we evolve we will be able to explain things better and explain why things are happening, even experiences in our consciousness.

If it wasn't for God... you wouldn't even have evolution.

maybe it's Religion that is stagnating our evolution.





and what have I learned from this thread?

arguing about God is a waist of time.

you either believe in him or you don't... I'm not going to try to change your mind... I'll just pray for you... I pray that God will one day be apart of your life because it's a wonderful thing.

Let me at least try to make that part clear to you: Believing in God is
a good thing.

[Stuckey]

jesus, u dont even know the difference between waist and waste smh, im starting to believe you're a 15 year old kid in a rural town with too much time

[Slam91]

Lol this shit is just getting ridiculous....
"what if 6 bullets go straight through you".... :roll:
I think you should try that on yourself :roll:
What are you, 12??

Really no point in arguing a religious nut, they are the most ignorant and stupid people.

Brainwashed into not believing in god? No I haven't been brainwashed into not believing in god, I live in a culture that just doesn't give two shits about god and you can only be brainwashed into believing in it. I have no reason to believe in it, nobody has influenced me to not believing in it, I just don't care about a fairytale. It is not in any way related to real life and things like this aren't discussed because it is a waste of time.

Too bad you can't convert yourself back to real life. But whatever, its your choice to be stupid.

[Riddler]

jesus, u dont even know the difference between waist and waste smh, im starting to believe you're a 15 year old kid in a rural town with too much time

Wow... so I made a f*cking grammar mistake.

why don't you kick me in the balls while you're at it.

[Riddler]

Lol this shit is just getting ridiculous....
"what if 6 bullets go straight through you".... :roll:
What are you, 12??

I was Referencing the Pulp Fiction video I posted earlier that you didn't read.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPFRZDotAQc



I see this discussion of God has made you angry so I'll just leave it at that.



edit: At least we agree on 9/11.

[Slam91]

I was Referencing the Pulp Fiction video I posted earlier that you didn't read.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPFRZDotAQc



I see this discussion of God has made you angry so I'll just leave it at that.



edit: At least we agree on 9/11.

Thats why it's called a movie and not a ****ing documentary you idiot.

[Riddler]

Thats why it's called a movie and not a ****ing documentary you idiot.

Again... look at the avatar.

go look at the Unsolved Mysteries thread.

crazier things have happened.

[JohnnySic]

Carlin was right about a lot.

[Slam91]

Carlin was right about a lot.

Carlin is my man, I share the most same world views with him.
Also he was a great comedian.

[Norcaliblunt]

I'm god, you are god, we are all god. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Our brian is the only place you can be truly free, so don't let anything or anyone suppress your imagination.

[joe]

Overly passionate atheists, are just as bad as overly passionate religious people. Really, how do you know there's no creator of some kind? It might not be as it says in any of the Holy Books.. but look around you. Not just at Earth, but at the universe. Look at Membrane theory, which is quite literally mind boggling.

I'm a scientific guy through and through, and I used to be a real passionate "GOD ISN'T REAL" guy, so I can't knock anyone who feels that way. But I think having beef with hardcore religious people, and not the idea of "God," is the way to go.

[Stephen_H]

I see religion as anything else in our world, a mixture of both good and bad. There are many great lessons religion offers to teach us should we decide to listen. Morality, justice, shunning evil. But then in the same breath you get things like the crusades, jihad and zionist rabbi's.

I am not a devout follower of any religion but have studied many of them. I prefer to take bits of wisdom from each and apply them to my own existence. Taoism is my personal favorite religion/philosophy.

I can't see how anyone, especially a "scientist" could outright denounce the existence of God. Following the scientific method there is NO WAY that we could disprove God!!!

The steps of the scientific method are to:
1. Ask a Question
2. Do Background Research
3. Construct a Hypothesis
4. Test Your Hypothesis by Doing an Experiment
5. Analyze Your Data and Draw a Conclusion
6. Communicate Your Results

This process cannot be completed at this point as we do not have the appropriate technology or knowledge to go through the whole process. Perhaps one day "God" will return as prophesied and free us from such wild speculations.

[Patrick Chewing]

Overly passionate atheists, are just as bad as overly passionate religious people. Really, how do you know there's no creator of some kind? It might not be as it says in any of the Holy Books.. but look around you. Not just at Earth, but at the universe. Look at Membrane theory, which is quite literally mind boggling.

I'm a scientific guy through and through, and I used to be a real passionate "GOD ISN'T REAL" guy, so I can't knock anyone who feels that way. But I think having beef with hardcore religious people, and not the idea of "God," is the way to go.

:applause:

[Doomsday Dallas]

just watched this clip from my dinner with andre (was referenced in new episode of community)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOZ0l-uir6s




Damn.... can't believe miller-time posted this.

This conversation is way ahead of it's time.