Wade vs. Kobe, who's better this season?

[EnoughSaid]

These two have extremely similar stats, except Wade is shooting better.

Dwyane Wade (Team Record: 50-22)
26 points/ 7 rebounds/ 4 assists/ FG: 50%

Kobe Bryant (Team Record: 52-20)
25 points/ 5 rebounds/ 5 assists/ FG: 45%

So ISH, who's having the better season?

[MayCeltics]

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Kobe

[donald_trump]

is this a joke?

wade by a country mile.

[PHaYze]

One is the best player on his team by a pretty significant margin, the other not so much.

[Mr. Jabbar]

Pretty close, both alpha dawgs on their teams.

[konex]

Kobe. Almost the same production in much less minutes

[EnoughSaid]

Kobe. Almost the same production in much less minutes

Kobe 34 minutes per game.
Wade 37 minutes per game.

Much less? Plus Kobe has a really deep team so he's not forced to play big minutes.

[whoartthou]

Give me dwade. Kids been a beast on the defensive end as well. Kobe? Not so much.

[whoartthou]

Kobe 34 minutes per game.
Wade 37 minutes per game.

Much less? Plus Kobe has a really deep team so he's not forced to play big minutes.

But, but but, in 3 minutes kobe can go off for 20!

[Rysio]

kobe. + he'll put up another 30 6 6 playoff run making it almost impossible for wade to have a better season.

[canefandynasty]

Statistically, Wade buttfks Kobe

[Warriors fan]

I love Kobe but Wades easily been better but on the other hand i also love Wade:lol

[winwin]

wade ... is not a top 5 this season

kobe
dh12
rose
lebron
durant

[Bigsmoke]

Kobe.

better scorer, man-to-man defender, superior IQ, Leader, more clutch...

Wade is what.. a better shot blocker?

give me Kobe.

[NBASTATMAN]

Both great players but Wade has put it into overdrive and is clearly playing better.. Stats favor Wade.. But Kobe is probably taking it easy... Never sleep on a player like Kobe..

[whoartthou]

Kobe.

better scorer, man-to-man defender, superior IQ, Leader, more clutch,

Wade is what.. a better shot blocker?

give me Kobe.
:no:

[Warriors fan]

Kobe.

better scorer, man-to-man defender, superior IQ, Leader, more clutch...

Wade is what.. a better shot blocker?

give me Kobe.
I disagree

[NBASTATMAN]

Kobe.

better scorer, man-to-man defender, superior IQ, Leader, more clutch,

Wade is what.. a better shot blocker?

give me Kobe.


I will give you better scorer but when has Kobe actually defended? Both Kobe and Wade are not high IQ players.. Tired of hearing kobe is this high IQ player when his coach has stated he is uncoachable.. I will give kobe a little edge on clutch shots cuz he deserves it...

But wade is more efficient, better team defender, more of a willing passer and better vs good defenses than Kobe... Kobe is the better scorer and clutch player...

[Ikill]

I will give you better scorer but when has Kobe actually defended? Both Kobe and Wade are not high IQ players.. Tired of hearing kobe is this high IQ player when his coach has stated he is uncoachable.. I will give kobe a little edge on clutch shots cuz he deserves it...

But wade is more efficient, better team defender, more of a willing passer and better vs good defenses than Kobe... Kobe is the better scorer and clutch player...
No Wade actually has a very high basketball IQ

[Rose]

Oh they're competing for second best guard this year?

I choose Wade.

[STATUTORY]

Oh they're competing for second best guard this year?

I choose Wade.

wut? :confusedshrug:

[Colby Brian]

kobe
only playing 34 minutes a game and still puttin up 25/5/5
in the playoffs kobe put up 29/6/6

[winwin]

main man >>> sidekick

[Maniak]

kobe. + he'll put up another 30 6 6 playoff run making it almost impossible for wade to have a better season.
Nostradamus, tell me more.

[Rose]

wut? :confusedshrug:
ROSE DA BESS

[STATUTORY]

ROSE DA WORSE STATS ACROSS DA BOARD


wussup doe

[Bigsmoke]

I will give you better scorer but when has Kobe actually defended? Both Kobe and Wade are not high IQ players.. Tired of hearing kobe is this high IQ player when his coach has stated he is uncoachable.. I will give kobe a little edge on clutch shots cuz he deserves it...

But wade is more efficient, better team defender, more of a willing passer and better vs good defenses than Kobe... Kobe is the better scorer and clutch player...

his IQ is could be why his scoring is so lethal.

I never seen Wade lock up guys like Kobe does. Wade is a better shot blocker and stuff but he could get lid up by Stephen Jackson and Ray Allen at times.

[ashbelly]

Kobe.

better scorer, man-to-man defender, superior IQ, Leader, more clutch...

Wade is what.. a better shot blocker?

give me Kobe.

:wtf: :wtf: :wtf:

[Bigsmoke]

:wtf: :wtf: :wtf:

these damn Wade stans :facepalm

mad that i think Kobe is better?

I think Lebron is better than Kobe though.

[ashbelly]

these damn Wade stans :facepalm

mad that i think Kobe is better?

I think Lebron is better than Kobe though.

:oldlol: :oldlol: , You are entitled to your opinion, but it doesn't make it true. Wade >> Kobe, like it has always been.

[HiphopRelated]

his IQ is could be why his scoring is so lethal.

I never seen Wade lock up guys like Kobe does. Wade is a better shot blocker and stuff but he could get lid up by Stephen Jackson and Ray Allen at times.


oh boy

[winwin]

these damn Wade stans :facepalm

mad that i think Kobe is better?

I think Lebron is better than Kobe though.
physicaly yes .. but not when it comes to mentality
all-arround player .. Kobe >> Lbron

[Monkey D Dragon]

:oldlol: :oldlol: , You are entitled to your opinion, but it doesn't make it true. Wade >> Kobe, like it has always been.


In ur opinion Wade and Lebron is better then Kobe.

Why are ya so bad? Top 2 Player in the League dont even have 60 wins yet? :facepalm

GTFO with Wade Being better then Kobe. Switch Wade and Kobe that Heat team would have 65 wins by now.

[ashbelly]

In ur opinion Wade and Lebron is better then Kobe.

Why are ya so bad? Top 2 Player in the League dont even have 60 wins yet? :facepalm

GTFO with Wade Being better then Kobe. Switch Wade and Kobe that Heat team would have 65 wins by now.


:oldlol: :oldlol: Switch Kobe and Wade, Lakers would've never lost a championship this past decade. Especially with Phil as the Coach.

[Bone Machine]

Pretty close, both alpha dawgs on their teams.

Hehe I see what you did there. :pimp:

[Bond007]

:oldlol: :oldlol: , You are entitled to your opinion, but it doesn't make it true. Wade >> Kobe, like it has always been.

Like every year u guys hAve very short memories

[ReturnofJPR]

Well, 1 of the 2 is NOT going to be 1st Team all NBA.

Kobe will stay, Wade gets bumped off in favor of the MVP Derrick Rose. :pimp:

[Dwade305]

Well, 1 of the 2 is NOT going to be 1st Team all NBA.

Kobe will stay, Wade gets bumped off in favor of the MVP Derrick Rose. :pimp:
But the NBA, Stern, and the refs hate Kobe, why would they put him on the 1st team?:confusedshrug:

[Bond007]

Kobe pacing himself. At his age it's not sprint but a marathon

[ashbelly]

Kobe pacing himself. At his age it's not sprint but a marathon

Playoffs are 25 days away brah.. :rockon: :rockon:

[ReturnofJPR]

But the NBA, Stern, and the refs hate Kobe, why would they put him on the 1st team?:confusedshrug:

Yeah but Wade plays with LeBraun. Imagine if Kobe played with LeBron...he would lose mad respect. Just like Wade has.

[ashbelly]

Yeah but Wade plays with LeBraun. Imagine if Kobe played with LeBron...he would lose mad respect. Just like Wade has.

:facepalm :facepalm :rolleyes:

[305Baller]

I'd have to give the Kobe the nod so far, especially due to assists but Wade has been turning it on lately and has been eating teams alive.

Kobe... for now.

I hope I remember this thread.

[Bond007]

Playoffs are 25 days away brah.. :rockon: :rockon:

Yup and after the regular season that could be 28 more high intensity games right?

[ashbelly]

Yup and after the regular season that could be 28 more high intensity games right?

nope it's time for your boy to get exposed :oldlol:

[All Net]

It's close like it has been for YEARS but like every year, Kobe gets the edge.

[EnoughSaid]

I can't believe some of these posts. Kobe has a better basketball IQ than Wade? Remember when he took 2 long 3's and almost a halfcourt shot with 15+ left on the shot clock against the Heat?

[Bond007]

nope it's time for your boy to get exposed :oldlol:
:facepalm Typical reply from someone getting Owned

[All Net]

I can't believe some of these posts. Kobe has a better basketball IQ than Wade? Remember when he took 2 long 3's and almost a halfcourt shot with 15+ left on the shot clock against the Heat?

Kobe's shot selection isn't always the best but doesn't mean he doesn't have a high IQ. More so when it comes to big games.

[ginobli2311]

It's close like it has been for YEARS but like every year, Kobe gets the edge.

i think its close as always, but Wade has been better. Especially if you factor in defense.

Wade has been far better defensively again this year....as he has been since 05.

Total myth that kobe plays better defense. Just simply isn't true.

[EnoughSaid]

i think its close as always, but Wade has been better. Especially if you factor in defense.

Wade has been far better defensively again this year....as he has been since 05.

Total myth that kobe plays better defense. Just simply isn't true.

Ginobli! :applause: Where have you been bro?

[ginobli2311]

Ginobli! :applause: Where have you been bro?

in some other joke thread with the stans telling me that Dirk has had more help than Kobe throughout his career.

standard.

[Dave3]

In ur opinion Wade and Lebron is better then Kobe.

Why are ya so bad? Top 2 Player in the League dont even have 60 wins yet? :facepalm

GTFO with Wade Being better then Kobe. Switch Wade and Kobe that Heat team would have 65 wins by now.
Pretty much the stupidest logic I've seen today. I guess Shaq and Kobe weren't the best two players in 2002 right?:facepalm

[Bond007]

i think its close as always, but Wade has been better. Especially if you factor in defense.

Wade has been far better defensively again this year....as he has been since 05.

Total myth that kobe plays better defense. Just simply isn't true.

Ok we get it some people like Wade some people like bron and lots of stans love Kobe . Useless threads

[All Net]

i think its close as always, but Wade has been better. Especially if you factor in defense.

Wade has been far better defensively again this year....as he has been since 05.

Total myth that kobe plays better defense. Just simply isn't true.

Wade is still inconsistant on D, he like Kobe takes alot of plays off. Problem is you only hear about the great defensive plays. Often Wade can play very lazy on D. Mainly coming off screens.

Kobe doesn't play good D consistantly but when he wants to can play lockdown D. Like Wade.

[dyna]

Wade..

[ginobli2311]

Wade is still inconsistant on D, he like Kobe takes alot of plays off. Problem is you only hear about the great defensive plays. Often Wade can play very lazy on D. Mainly coming off screens.

Kobe doesn't play good D consistantly but when he wants to can play lockdown D.

very true.

however, wade's iso defense always destroys kobe. wade also creates more havoc defensively by playing the passing lanes getting steals and block a lot of shots.

from around 99 to 04 kobe played amazing defense. he really hasn't ever since.

nothing really supports kobe as the superior defender since around 05 from what i've seen and what the numbers show.

[All Net]

very true.

however, wade's iso defense always destroys kobe. wade also creates more havoc defensively by playing the passing lanes getting steals and block a lot of shots.

from around 99 to 04 kobe played amazing defense. he really hasn't ever since.

nothing really supports kobe as the superior defender since around 05 from what i've seen and what the numbers show.

True, I will add as you get older when you still score alot of points and are the main option your D will suffer. Kobe's injury problems over the past few years havn't helped in that area. Kobe does enough on D when it comes to the playoffs though.

His D on Westbrook
His D on Rondo

for example was a true sign of what he can do on that side of the ball but to be considered great defensively you need to do it consistantly. It's why no matter what Ron Artest does on offense, his D is always so important.

[Bigsmoke]

very true.

however, wade's iso defense always destroys kobe. wade also creates more havoc defensively by playing the passing lanes getting steals and block a lot of shots.

from around 99 to 04 kobe played amazing defense. he really hasn't ever since.

nothing really supports kobe as the superior defender since around 05 from what i've seen and what the numbers show.

ummm.. i dont know about that.

Kobe's defense was the shit during his MVP season and in 2009 as well.

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

I can't believe some of these posts. Kobe has a better basketball IQ than Wade? Remember when he took 2 long 3's and almost a halfcourt shot with 15+ left on the shot clock against the Heat?

Remember when Dwyane Wade left Luol Deng wide open to help on Derrick Rose even though LeBron was already guarding him which led to the loss?

See how easy it is to pick out one moment?

[ginobli2311]

ummm.. i dont know about that.

Kobe's defense was the shit during his MVP season and in 2009 as well.

all the synergy sports iso raw defense stats show wade to be the superior iso defender.

someone posted them earlier in another thread. i'll try and track them down.

[ginobli2311]

True, I will add as you get older when you still score alot of points and are the main option your D will suffer. Kobe's injury problems over the past few years havn't helped in that area. Kobe does enough on D when it comes to the playoffs though.

His D on Westbrook
His D on Rondo

for example was a true sign of what he can do on that side of the ball but to be considered great defensively you need to do it consistantly. It's why no matter what Ron Artest does on offense, his D is always so important.

of course. when he wants to, kobe can still play good d. never said otherwise. i'm not saying kobe hasn't been a good defender....he just hasn't been as good as wade for a while now.

[ashbelly]

Remember when Dwyane Wade left Luol Deng wide open to help on Derrick Rose even though LeBron was already guarding him which led to the loss?

See how easy it is to pick out one moment?

Yeah thats for the "ole' i'll remember whatever i want to nikkahs". Anyone who thinks kobe has a high ball IQ than wade is insane.

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

Yeah thats for the "ole' i'll remember whatever i want to nikkahs". Anyone who thinks kobe has a high ball IQ than wade is insane.

Not necessarily. Wade is a great player but don't act like he's the 2nd coming of Jordan or something.

[ashbelly]

Not necessarily. Wade is a great player but don't act like he's the 2nd coming of Jordan or something.

no one mentioned jordan but you. Wade>>Kobe, thats the arguement.

[Monkey D Dragon]

:oldlol: :oldlol: Switch Kobe and Wade, Lakers would've never lost a championship this past decade. Especially with Phil as the Coach.

LOL get off Wades nuts.

Delusional kid :facepalm

[ashbelly]

LOL get off Wades nuts.

Delusional kid :facepalm

old washed up Shaq + Wade = ring.. Imagine what he would do with the lakers length ?

[Monkey D Dragon]

Pretty much the stupidest logic I've seen today. I guess Shaq and Kobe weren't the best two players in 2002 right?:facepalm


TD?:facepalm

[Monkey D Dragon]

old washed up Shaq + Wade = ring.. Imagine what he would do with the lakers length ?

I can easily tell ur a LeBron Dicck Rider who knows nothing about Basketball and just Following where ever LeBron goes.

LOL Washed up Shaq :facepalm

go study some basketball history then come back

[whoartthou]

old washed up Shaq + Wade = ring.. Imagine what he would do with the lakers length ?

dunno about wade/shaq never losing in the championship, but i can see them winning 4 rings.

Don't see wade colliding with shaq like kobe. Kobe is kobe...

[ashbelly]

I can easily tell ur a LeBron Dicck Rider who knows nothing about Basketball and just Following where ever LeBron goes.

LOL Washed up Shaq :facepalm

go study some basketball history then come back


:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[ashbelly]

And of course Wade just had a stat line that Kobe can't come close to achieving now

39 pts on almost 60% shooting, 11 rebounds, 8 assists, 3 steals and 5 blocks... last night for Wade.

That alone makes Wade >>> Kobe

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: Aint that eight turnovers for the opposing team.

[jrong]

wade ... is not a top 5 this season

kobe
dh12
rose
lebron
durant

The sad thing is that people actually buy this. Look at Wade's numbers and then remember who he plays next to. Do you know how hard it is to post those stats next to LeBron? Do you think any other player in the league would be able maintain to relative statistical parity with James as a teammate? If Wade and James were split up, it would be a two-person conversation for best player in the league-- and MVP.

[whoartthou]

And of course Wade just had a stat line that Kobe can't come close to achieving now

39 pts on almost 60% shooting, 11 rebounds, 8 assists, 3 steals and 5 blocks... last night for Wade.

That alone makes Wade >>> Kobe

Never mind the fact that Wade made kobe his little bltch in two games this year

but, but, but, but... kobe broke his pinky

[srekaL]

These arguments are stupid. Same thing will happen that does every year. Wade and Lebron will fizzle out in the Semi or Conference finals and lose in 5 or 6 games. Kobe will turn it up even more in the playoffs and the Lakers will make their 4th straight finals and possibly win their 3rd straight finals. Then the Wade ******gers will disappear again until next season when Kobe is coasting through and Wade is putting up meaningless stats in the regular season again.

[whoartthou]

These arguments are stupid. Same thing will happen that does every year. Wade and Lebron will fizzle out in the Semi or Conference finals and lose in 5 or 6 games. Kobe will turn it up even more in the playoffs and the Lakers will make their 4th straight finals and possibly win their 3rd straight finals. Then the Wade ******gers will disappear again until next season when Kobe is coasting through and Wade is putting up meaningless stats in the regular season again.

and i am sure that has everything to do with kobe, and nothing to do with his teammates?

[ashbelly]

and i am sure that has everything to do with kobe, and nothing to do with his teammates?
:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :cheers: ....

[Dave3]

TD?:facepalm
Oooooh, one spot in the player rankings makes such a huge difference right? Still a moronic idea, because combining 2 of the best players will always have you win 60 games right? That's like saying Wade and Bosh are worse than Jamison/Mo because the Cavs won more regular season games last year. Assuming LeBron+Kobe win 65 games, is as stupid as assuming LeBron+Shaq would win 70 in 2009.

[Monkey D Dragon]

And of course Wade just had a stat line that Kobe can't come close to achieving now

39 pts on almost 60% shooting, 11 rebounds, 8 assists, 3 steals and 5 blocks... last night for Wade.

That alone makes Wade >>> Kobe

Never mind the fact that Wade made kobe his little bltch in two games this year


LOL Proud of One game lets not even go to stats with Kobe and Wade cause Kobe will hurt Wade little feelings with his half a page resume.

Come close to Achieving? LOL I wonder how many IMPORTANT achievements Wade is behind Kobe instead of One night ?

These little youngens :facepalm

[Monkey D Dragon]

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm


LOL Yea I know u got pwned

[Monkey D Dragon]

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: Aint that eight turnovers for the opposing team.


Blocks are not always turnovers. For real go understand what basketball is before you start bowing down on something you dont even know.

[ashbelly]

Blocks are not always turnovers. For real go understand what basketball is before you start bowing down on something you dont even know.

did you watch the game ? :rolleyes:

[LilBTheBasedGod]

and i am sure that has everything to do with kobe, and nothing to do with his teammates?


YOU JUST GOT #OUTSWAGGED

:dancin
:dancin :dancin
:dancin :dancin :dancin
:dancin :dancin :dancin :dancin

[Monkey D Dragon]

Oooooh, one spot in the player rankings makes such a huge difference right? Still a moronic idea, because combining 2 of the best players will always have you win 60 games right? That's like saying Wade and Bosh are worse than Jamison/Mo because the Cavs won more regular season games last year. Assuming LeBron+Kobe win 65 games, is as stupid as assuming LeBron+Shaq would win 70 in 2009.


WTF are you saying?

You must be a retard if you think 2002 Shaq and 2002 Duncan cant win 65 games :facepalm

That is my fucccking point retard if you think Wade and LeBron is that fuccking good why are they not First and the Fuccking LOGICAL ANSWER IS because THEY AINT u retard.

Fucccking stat whores need to watch the game instead of hugging ur computer all day on NBA.com

[ashbelly]

WTF are you saying?

You must be a retard if you think 2002 Shaq and 2002 Duncan cant win 65 games :facepalm

That is my fucccking point retard if you think Wade and LeBron is that fuccking good why are they not First and the Fuccking LOGICAL ANSWER IS because THEY AINT u retard.

Fucccking stat whores need to watch the game instead of hugging ur computer all day on NBA.com
So who are the best players in the NBA right now ? :rolleyes: And Shaq + tim duncan can't win that much games on their 1st year either. Take your advise and learn the NBA before typing out your belly.

[Dave3]

WTF are you saying?

You must be a retard if you think 2002 Shaq and 2002 Duncan cant win 65 games :facepalm

That is my fucccking point retard if you think Wade and LeBron is that fuccking good why are they not First and the Fuccking LOGICAL ANSWER IS because THEY AINT u retard.

Fucccking stat whores need to watch the game instead of hugging ur computer all day on NBA.com
When did I say anything about prime Duncan+Shaq together? I said that just because you put the 2 best players together it doesn't automatically 65 wins. Again, that's the same as saying this Miami team is worse than last year's Cavaliers because they have less regular season wins...

[Monkey D Dragon]

did you watch the game ? :rolleyes:


Did you? because I saw 2 blocks recoverd by teammates

please try harder

[whoartthou]

imo, career wise, kobe has the edge as a player

[ginobli2311]

04 Finals vs Pistons defense = Kobe was horrible shooting 37%. Lakers got blown out in 3 of the 4 games and lost 4 games to 1

05 Wade vs Pistons defense in playoffs = Wade shot over 53% against that awesome D, with a legendary Jordan like playoff run for just a 2nd year player entering the league. And with Shaq not close to the form he was in LA. Shaq saw 10 minutes less per game in Miami ;-)

Miami was up 3 games to 2 when Wade got injured or they easily win the series if he stayed healthy

06 Wade vs Pistons defense = Wade shot an astonishing 62% for the series with a legendary playoff performance yet again. Heat dominate and win in 6

Over the last 8 years Kobe is a very pedestrian 38.8% against Top 10 defense those years. Wade is 46.7% against Top 10 defenses

And Wade has been the better passer, better defensively as all the raw categorical synergy scores show, and rebounding is about even for their careers although Wade is 2 inches shorter.

Wade has been the better playoff performer, he's Top 10 alltime in career playoff PER, Kobe is not close to the Top 10.


Wade >>> Kobe

nice post

can you post the synergy defensive data?

[Heat007]

04 Finals vs Pistons defense = Kobe was horrible shooting 37%. Lakers got blown out in 3 of the 4 games and lost 4 games to 1

05 Wade vs Pistons defense in playoffs = Wade shot over 50% against that awesome D, with a legendary Jordan like playoff run for just a 2nd year player entering the league. And with Shaq not close to the form he was in LA. Shaq saw 10 minutes less per game in Miami ;-)

Miami was up 3 games to 2 when Wade got injured or they easily win the series if he stayed healthy

06 Wade vs Pistons defense = Wade shot an astonishing 62% for the series with a legendary playoff performance yet again. Heat dominate and win in 6

Over the last 8 years Kobe is a very pedestrian 38.8% against Top 10 defense those years. Wade is 46.7% against Top 10 defenses.

Last year vs Celtics in playoffs for Wade?? Wade averaging 34 pts on 57% shooting. Kobe vs celtics in playoffs? 42%...

And Wade has been the better passer, better defensively as all the raw categorical synergy scores show, and rebounding is about even for their careers although Wade is 2 inches shorter.

Wade has been the better playoff performer, he's Top 10 alltime in career playoff PER, Kobe is not close to the Top 10.

Head to Head when they match up on each other, Wade has clearly looked to be the better player (and I can pull up the threads over the years with 95% of the members here agreeing with it at the time)


Wade >>> Kobe

[Monkey D Dragon]

So who are the best players in the NBA right now ? :rolleyes: And Shaq + tim duncan can't win that much games on their 1st year either. Take your advise and learn the NBA before typing out your belly.


Best players right now LeBron and Kobe only bias nubs cant tell that These two been the best for awhile.

Dont get me wrong Wade is right there under them but there is still that gap.

Only a fool would think Prime Shaq and Prime Duncan cant win 65 games.

No but for real go study some basketball history and get off LeBrons nuts.

He is a Beast but he is a sell out bra.

[winwin]

lol @ the guy who's Proud of One game

how about games like:

3 for 16
2 for 12 ... 0 for 5 3pt
1 for 13
6 for 21

and more shitty games
again .. wade is not a top 5 this season

[Rysio]

^ wade shot 44% in 05 not 53 and didn't make a single 3. and lol at comparing 04 pistons to 06.

[Monkey D Dragon]

When did I say anything about prime Duncan+Shaq together? I said that just because you put the 2 best players together it doesn't automatically 65 wins. Again, that's the same as saying this Miami team is worse than last year's Cavaliers because they have less regular season wins...


Maybe if you read my post and didnt just Jump to YOUR conclusion u might understand why I was talking about Prime Shaq and Duncan.


Ur a retard and next time read before typing what you have to say.

[whoartthou]

^ wade shot 44% in 05 not 53 and didn't make a single 3. and lol at comparing 04 pistons to 06.

the detroit pistons were a great defensive team, but i think it is a little bit overblown.

Sure, kobe shot atrocious in that finals, but a lot of it had to do with kobe chucking dumb ass shots.

Wade tore them apart.

[Heat007]

^ wade shot 44% in 05.

you're wrong. He shot over 50% against the Pistons in 05 for the series.

It's on the Heat website ;-)

There's other playoff data there on his resume that you may not want to admit... if you're a kobe fan

[ashbelly]

Best players right now LeBron and Kobe only bias nubs cant tell that These two been the best for awhile.

Dont get me wrong Wade is right there under them but there is still that gap.

Only a fool would think Prime Shaq and Prime Duncan cant win 65 games.

No but for real go study some basketball history and get off LeBrons nuts.

He is a Beast but he is a sell out bra.

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm ...

[Rysio]

you're wrong. He shot over 50% against the Pistons in 05 for the series.

It's on the Heat website ;-)

There's other playoff data there on his resume that you may not want to admit... if you're a kobe fan
game 1. 7-25

game 2. 15-28

game 3. 12-21

game 4. 10-22

game 5. 4-9

game 6. 7-20

55-125 = 44%

[Dave3]

Maybe if you read my post and didnt just Jump to YOUR conclusion u might understand why I was talking about Prime Shaq and Duncan.


Ur a retard and next time read before typing what you have to say.
And yet you skip over everything in my post and fixate on something I didn't even say...well done lol.

[ashbelly]

And yet you skip over everything in my post and fixate on something I didn't even say...well done lol.

:oldlol: :oldlol: "Ole, i only see what i want to nikkah" right there.

[Monkey D Dragon]

And yet you skip over everything in my post and fixate on something I didn't even say...well done lol.

Im glad you noticed cause thats how I felt

[winwin]

game 1. 7-25

game 2. 15-28

game 3. 12-21

game 4. 10-22

game 5. 4-9

game 6. 7-20

55-125 = 44%


lol Heat007 exposed
stupid bandwagoner

[Bond007]

game 1. 7-25

game 2. 15-28

game 3. 12-21

game 4. 10-22

game 5. 4-9

game 6. 7-20

55-125 = 44%

LOL Owned:roll:

[ThaSwagg3r]

game 1. 7-25

game 2. 15-28

game 3. 12-21

game 4. 10-22

game 5. 4-9

game 6. 7-20

55-125 = 44%
For the record, Dwyane Wade didn't play in Game 6. The stats you posted for Game 6 are actually his Game 7 stats.

Dwyane suffered a strained rib muscle in Game 5 of the Conference Finals that prevented him from playing in the series' sixth game

[Mr. Jabbar]

game 1. 7-25

game 2. 15-28

game 3. 12-21

game 4. 10-22

game 5. 4-9

game 6. 7-20

55-125 = 44%

exposed

[G-Funk]

It's a tie, seems like Kobe is just playing calm...Where as Wade looks more tense out there...defensively, both players have been poor...The playoffs will decide it for me.

[SkyR#1fanCapCou]

Wade 2-0 against Kobe ;-)
/thread

[SYM86]

:oldlol: :oldlol: Switch Kobe and Wade, Lakers would've never lost a championship this past decade. Especially with Phil as the Coach.

so wade with lebron and bosh should win 82 games this year and the next 8 championship.

[drew222]

they play 2 games against each other its pretty even... and one guy is in his 8th year and another is in his 15th. they both can play defense

kobe 20.5pts 4.5 ast 4 reb 3.5tov 37fg%

wade 19pts 5.5 ast 5 reb 3.5tov 37fg%

[Nash-tastic]

Wade 2-0 against Kobe ;-)
/thread
That's stupid logic.
Rose > Wade?
Rose > LeBron?
Bulls 0-3 Miami

[brownmamba00]

Wade

[Bigsmoke]

That's stupid logic.
Rose > Wade?
Rose > LeBron?
Bulls 0-3 Miami

i can deal with that :cheers:

but for real

Kobe > Wade

[Papaya Petee]

Wade has been better this year, and you have to blind not to see it, of course Kobe fans will use past seasons to determine who is better this season. Wade is 2-0 against Kobe. Shit on him in the clutch in the second game. Has better numbers. 26\7\4\2\1 50% > 25\5\5\1\.5 45% Similar team records. and Wade has LeBron playing on his team.

We replace LeBron with good role players Wade's team has similar record and he's putting up 27\7\6 like usually.

Defensively, Wade has been better too, ESPN has him in the top of DPOY race, and the people he's guarding are shooting 29% this season.

Sorry Kobe, but you have no argument over Wade this year. For now, maybe in the playoffs you will prove yourselves better, but so far in 2010-2011 season, Wade has been better.

[kaiiu]

Kobe

[LEFT4DEAD]

Wade>>>>>>>>>>> Kobe and it's not even close this season. Wade has Lebron on his team, and he is still able to put up superstar numbers.

And yeah, Wade has been clearly better than Kobe for 3 years now.

[amfirst]

Wade is currently playing better. Kobe was better in the earlier parts of the season, but he is cruising. Wade is playing the hardest I've seen him ever play. I expect Kobe to turn it up in the playoffs when it really matters to overtake Wade, it all has to do with will. And right now Lakers are in cruise mode and Heats are still trying to prove themselves.

[aau]

Wade has Lebron on his team, and he is still able to put up superstar numbers.

why are cats starting to say this as if playing
with lebron is somehow a detriment to wade

playing with lebron = single coverage

not hinderance

[Notorious D.M.C]

These two have extremely similar stats, except Wade is shooting better.

Dwyane Wade (Team Record: 50-22)
26 points/ 7 rebounds/ 4 assists/ FG: 50%

Kobe Bryant (Team Record: 52-20)
25 points/ 5 rebounds/ 5 assists/ FG: 45%

So ISH, who's having the better season?

Since we are going by stats..Monta Ellis is own their level!

Monta Ellis
24 points / 3.5 rebounds / 5.5 assists / FG 45%



JK

[aau]

check these stats

wade 1250 fga - 588 fta - 185 3pa shoots .498
kobe 1425 fga - 497 fta - 306 3pa shoots .455

wade's fta is damn near half of his fga meaning most
of his difficult shot attempts are erased by fouls

his 3pa make up just 14% of his fga - that's not it

so how is it that he still can't shoot 50% from the floor
and avg just 4 more makes per 100 attempts than
the worst shot taker in the history of the game

[LA_Showtime]

There's no point comparing Kobe and Wade's head-to-head stats. Watch the games. Wade tore apart the Lakers' defense.

[drew222]

There's no point comparing Kobe and Wade's head-to-head stats. Watch the games. Wade tore apart the Lakers' defense.

no he didn't in his two games against them he averaged
19pts 5.5 ast 5 reb 3.5tov 37fg%

[stevieming]

wade by a mile, kobe can't guard anyone this year, you can see it with his foot speed, people blow by him easily.

Wade's offense slightly better then Kobe's as Wade's slashing game is better and doesn't rely on jumpers also I feel Kobe is no longer getting super star calls either.....he's been getting hammered a lot - it's the passing of the torch! :applause: :applause:

[InfiniteBaskets]

Funny how some people think both Kobe and Rose are better than Wade when we're comparing individual players. Yet whenever the Heat lose a few games, people resort back to "But they have the best two players in the game on one team! What a letdown!" :confusedshrug:

[Eat Like A Bosh]

old washed up Shaq + Wade = ring.. Imagine what he would do with the lakers length ?
Old Washed Shaq? Regular Season
Shaquille O'Neal '04-'05 22.9 PPG 10.4 RPG 2.9 APG 2.5 BPG 60% FG
05-06 20.0 PPG 9.2 RPG 1.9 APG 1.8 BPG 60%FG

Not to mention the refs giving Wade like 20 free throws a game in the last 4 games of the series.
Gtfo.

[Eat Like A Bosh]

Idk, both are really good this season, they are both the clear leaders of their team and it's really close.

But in the end, I'll take experience over athleticism. Kobe has this thing that makes me can't help but pick him over Wade.

[Eat Like A Bosh]

Wade is still inconsistant on D, he like Kobe takes alot of plays off. Problem is you only hear about the great defensive plays. Often Wade can play very lazy on D. Mainly coming off screens.

Kobe doesn't play good D consistantly but when he wants to can play lockdown D. Like Wade.


True, I will add as you get older when you still score alot of points and are the main option your D will suffer. Kobe's injury problems over the past few years havn't helped in that area. Kobe does enough on D when it comes to the playoffs though.

His D on Westbrook
His D on Rondo

for example was a true sign of what he can do on that side of the ball but to be considered great defensively you need to do it consistantly. It's why no matter what Ron Artest does on offense, his D is always so important.
I think Kobe and Wade are both great defenders. Especially Kobe, if you've ever seen his lockdown defense, he's a real pest. Kobe is a better on ball defender, Wade plays the passing lanes better, a better off ball defender.

But your right, Kobe and Wade are not consistently great defenders, and the all NBA Defense team is a popularity contest.

Then again, you can't expect a player who carries much of the offense load to give you 48 minutes of great defense on a nightly basis.

[Nick Young]

the one with more finals MVPs

[az00m]

There's no point comparing Kobe and Wade's head-to-head stats. Watch the games. Wade tore apart the Lakers' defense.
http://www.stfu-noob.net/stfu-noob.jpg

[LA_Showtime]

no he didn't in his two games against them he averaged
19pts 5.5 ast 5 reb 3.5tov 37fg%

Which is why I said stats don't tell the whole story. Wade repeatedly broke down the Lakers defense and found open shooters or caused the big men to be outta position. Watch the games.

[G-Funk]

Wade>>>>>>>>>>> Kobe and it's not even close this season. Wade has Lebron on his team, and he is still able to put up superstar numbers.

And yeah, Wade has been clearly better than Kobe for 3 years now.
and Kobe has Gasol,Lamar,Bynum,Artest and a deep bench..remember, "the stacked team" u guys talk about to discredit Kobe.

[whoartthou]

wade >> kobe. Wade imho could have a case for a better prime than kobe too.

[pauk]

i vote wade

[Hihater]

Funny how some people think both Kobe and Rose are better than Wade when we're comparing individual players. Yet whenever the Heat lose a few games, people resort back to "But they have the best two players in the game on one team! What a letdown!" :confusedshrug:
Most of the time the heat lost was because of wade never step up...did u guys even watch the heat early in the season? d-wade was shit and barely doing anything in the 4th qrt.

[Hihater]

wade >> kobe. Wade imho could have a case for a better prime than kobe too.
Can you explain it to me?

[Papaya Petee]

Wade last game 39\11\8\5
Today- 30\11\5\3

Insane :rockon:

[jrong]

Funny how some people think both Kobe and Rose are better than Wade when we're comparing individual players. Yet whenever the Heat lose a few games, people resort back to "But they have the best two players in the game on one team! What a letdown!" :confusedshrug:

This kind of thinking should be thought-policed. I'm serious. It's like the majority of NBA writers and over half the fans have lost all common sense. When comparing Wade or James to other players, I do not know how you can look at their stats in any kind of context without considering what they would be doing if they weren't teammates. Look at what they've done in the past when they weren't teammates.

I'm actually rooting for the Lakers to catch the Spurs and Kobe to get MVP. First, from a career perspective, Kobe deserves a second MVP a hell of a lot more than Rose deserves his first at this point. Second, if Rose is not MVP, it strips any rationale away from putting him on 1st team All-NBA and thus Wade being robbed of it...

[Micku]

I like Wade better. While there is less of a plan to stop him, I think it is harder to carry it out. Wade is more efficient this year, but you can't really sleep on Kobe since he can hurt you anywhere on the court.

[BoxOutBOXOUT]

Kobe sh*ts on Wade in every possible way. Wade can play another 20 years and he'll still never reach Kobe's level. I really don't get the love this Wade guy gets. WTF is so special about him? He's an injury-prone athletic slasher. When he's not hurt, he can get to the basket and play some athletic D. That's it. WTF is mind-blowing about that? Sure, it's solid, but it's not anywhere near the caliber of Kobe's game. Kobe's the more complete, fundamentally-sound player. Kobe's game stands the test of longevity. Wade, on the other hand, is one hard foul away from becoming obsolete. I'll take Kobe 11 times out of 10. Wade is and has always been overrated. One gift-wrapped title against a soft Mavs team doesn't trump Kobe's wealth of skill and achievement.

[SkyR#1fanCapCou]

That's stupid logic.
Rose > Wade?
Rose > LeBron?
Bulls 0-3 Miami

That's why I put a ;-) at the end of the statement :D

[EnoughSaid]

Kobe sh*ts on Wade in every possible way. Wade can play another 20 years and he'll still never reach Kobe's level. I really don't get the love this Wade guy gets. WTF is so special about him? He's an injury-prone athletic slasher. When he's not hurt, he can get to the basket and play some athletic D. That's it. WTF is mind-blowing about that? Sure, it's solid, but it's not anywhere near the caliber of Kobe's game. Kobe's the more complete, fundamentally-sound player. Kobe's game stands the test of longevity. Wade, on the other hand, is one hard foul away from becoming obsolete. I'll take Kobe 11 times out of 10. Wade is and has always been overrated. One gift-wrapped title against a soft Mavs team doesn't trump Kobe's wealth of skill and achievement.

We're talking about THIS SEASON dude. Chill out.

[ginobli2311]

This kind of thinking should be thought-policed. I'm serious. It's like the majority of NBA writers and over half the fans have lost all common sense. When comparing Wade or James to other players, I do not know how you can look at their stats in any kind of context without considering what they would be doing if they weren't teammates. Look at what they've done in the past when they weren't teammates.

I'm actually rooting for the Lakers to catch the Spurs and Kobe to get MVP. First, from a career perspective, Kobe deserves a second MVP a hell of a lot more than Rose deserves his first at this point. Second, if Rose is not MVP, it strips any rationale away from putting him on 1st team All-NBA and thus Wade being robbed of it...


just making all-nba is what is important. first or second team is becoming irrelevant. much like all defense. hell, the voting for defensive player of the year holds more weight. wade's defense is recognized more in the DPOY stuff than on all defense teams.

i want rose to get it because i think he has done enough to get it based on the history of the award. the mvp is not best player of course.

i do find it funny though. if we are talking about wade. lebron is clearly the best player in the game. if we are talking about lebron. wade is top 2 or 3 in the game. anything to discredit them. but then somehow dwight and kobe are better than lebron and wade in other discussions with the same people.

confusing.

[ginobli2311]

Kobe sh*ts on Wade in every possible way. Wade can play another 20 years and he'll still never reach Kobe's level. I really don't get the love this Wade guy gets. WTF is so special about him? He's an injury-prone athletic slasher. When he's not hurt, he can get to the basket and play some athletic D. That's it. WTF is mind-blowing about that? Sure, it's solid, but it's not anywhere near the caliber of Kobe's game. Kobe's the more complete, fundamentally-sound player. Kobe's game stands the test of longevity. Wade, on the other hand, is one hard foul away from becoming obsolete. I'll take Kobe 11 times out of 10. Wade is and has always been overrated. One gift-wrapped title against a soft Mavs team doesn't trump Kobe's wealth of skill and achievement.

terrible post.

[BoxOutBOXOUT]

terrible post.
You're 40-something years old trolling Kobe on an internet message board. Forget my terrible post. Focus on your terrible life.

[ginobli2311]

You're 40-something years old trolling Kobe on an internet message board. Forget my terrible post. Focus on your terrible life.

love my life. thanks though.

[winwin]

so Heat007 never came back to this thread after exposing him?


lol @ bandwagoners

[Papaya Petee]

Kobe sh*ts on Wade in every possible way. Wade can play another 20 years and he'll still never reach Kobe's level. I really don't get the love this Wade guy gets. WTF is so special about him? He's an injury-prone athletic slasher. When he's not hurt, he can get to the basket and play some athletic D. That's it. WTF is mind-blowing about that? Sure, it's solid, but it's not anywhere near the caliber of Kobe's game. Kobe's the more complete, fundamentally-sound player. Kobe's game stands the test of longevity. Wade, on the other hand, is one hard foul away from becoming obsolete. I'll take Kobe 11 times out of 10. Wade is and has always been overrated. One gift-wrapped title against a soft Mavs team doesn't trump Kobe's wealth of skill and achievement.

Wade sh*ts on Kobe in every possible way. Kobe can play another 20 years and will never have the Finals Performance that Wade had. I don't get the love this Kobe guy gets. WTF is so special about him? He is a low percentage jump shooter, who sometimes slides his feet on defense. That's it. WTF is mind-blowing about that? Sure. it's solid, but it's not anywhere near the caliber of Wade's game. Wade's the more complete, atheltic, attacking player. Wade's game stands the test of being beat up and coming back harder. Kobe on the other hand, is one foul away from getting another technical foul from arguing how he was fouled on his 26 foot fadeaway jumper. I'll take Wade 11 times out of 10. Kobe has always been overrated. 3 gift-wrapped titles with Shaq carrying him while getting Finals MVP's and MVP and one Boston chokejob doesn't trump Wade's wealth of skill and achievement.


See how easy that was?

[tpols]

The fact that we are still comparing kobe in his fifteenth season to one of the best guards of all time in his prime speaks for itself.:confusedshrug:

Wade will be lucky to still be playing by the time his fifteenth season comes around.. much less drop 28+/5+/5+ throughout the playoffs.

I'll see how the two play in the playoffs and then decide who was better this year.

[EnoughSaid]

The fact that we are still comparing kobe in his fifteenth season to one of the best guards of all time in his prime speaks for itself.:confusedshrug:

Wade will be lucky to still be playing by the time his fifteenth season comes around.. much less drop 28+/5+/5+ throughout the playoffs.

I'll see how the two play in the playoffs and then decide who was better this year.

Wade can into the league at 22, not 18. Wade also played college ball and has gone through injuries. If Wade entered the league at 18, he'd be 25, at his athletic prime. He won his first title at 25 too.

[Kensta]

Huge Kobe fan here, but so far in the regular season, Wade has been better imo.

[tpols]

Wade can into the league at 22, not 18. Wade also played college ball and has gone through injuries. If Wade entered the league at 18, he'd be 25, at his athletic prime. He won his first title at 25 too.
Kobe has had something like 3 knee surgeries and tons of nagging injuries as well.. And by the time wade hits kobe's current minute count he'll be in a wheelchair. Kobe has clearly lost a step but he is still easily on prime wade's level.

I'd say wade has been the better player so far but kobe has been practically resting for most of the season playing the least minutes since he became a starter.. The playoffs will bring the best out in both of them so we'll see whose better then.

[InfiniteBaskets]

Most of the time the heat lost was because of wade never step up...did u guys even watch the heat early in the season? d-wade was shit and barely doing anything in the 4th qrt.

So then are you trying to say Wade's not a superstar player? Can you do me favor and tell some other posters out there that the Heat aren't underachieving since they really don't have anyone other than LeBron?

[Rysio]

Wade sh*ts on Kobe in every possible way. Kobe can play another 20 years and will never have the Finals Performance that Wade had. I don't get the love this Kobe guy gets. WTF is so special about him? He is a low percentage jump shooter, who sometimes slides his feet on defense. That's it. WTF is mind-blowing about that? Sure. it's solid, but it's not anywhere near the caliber of Wade's game. Wade's the more complete, atheltic, attacking player. Wade's game stands the test of being beat up and coming back harder. Kobe on the other hand, is one foul away from getting another technical foul from arguing how he was fouled on his 26 foot fadeaway jumper. I'll take Wade 11 times out of 10. Kobe has always been overrated. 3 gift-wrapped titles with Shaq carrying him while getting Finals MVP's and MVP and one Boston chokejob doesn't trump Wade's wealth of skill and achievement.


See how easy that was?
terrible post.

[Hihater]

So then are you trying to say Wade's not a superstar player? Can you do me favor and tell some other posters out there that the Heat aren't underachieving since they really don't have anyone other than LeBron?
The question was who's better this season? i never said anything about wade not a superstar player but trying to answer the OP question. d-wade in the beginning of the year was not the player he was.

[B-Rich]

Easily Wade. He has better stats, and he is a co number 1 option with Lebron James. Kobe is the number one option no questions. Wade is better.

[ginobli2311]

wade.

better numbers and plays better defense.

[Heat007]

people need to remember that Wade sat out the preseason injured and started slow. It took him awhile to get into the swing of things and only averaged 20 points per game in his first month back. That's partly the reason why the Heat started slow going 9-8 in the first 17 games.

In the middle of the season he had a wrist injury to deal with and had to tape up his wrist for awhile. I'm not making an excuse but you could see it bothered him for awhile as he was favoring his wrist for some weeks.

Since the All-star break Wade is 2nd in the NBA for ppg with 26.4 with a 58TS. The only one ahead of him since the break is LeBron with 27.4 pts per game.

[All Net]

people need to remember that Wade sat out the preseason injured and started slow. It took him awhile to get into the swing of things and only averaged 20 points per game in his first month back. That's partly the reason why the Heat started slow going 9-8 in the first 17 games.

In the middle of the season he had a wrist injury to deal with and had to tape up his wrist for awhile. I'm not making an excuse but you could see it bothered him for awhile as he was favoring his wrist for some weeks.

Since the All-star break Wade is 2nd in the NBA for ppg with 26.4 with a 58TS. The only one ahead of him since the break is LeBron with 27.4 pts per game.

Both have dealt with their fair share of injures this year.

[Bandito]

Kobe has had something like 3 knee surgeries and tons of nagging injuries as well.. And by the time wade hits kobe's current minute count he'll be in a wheelchair. Kobe has clearly lost a step but he is still easily on prime wade's level.

I'd say wade has been the better player so far but kobe has been practically resting for most of the season playing the least minutes since he became a starter.. The playoffs will bring the best out in both of them so we'll see whose better then.
He is but Wade's a tad better because of his speed.:bowdown:



*Flaash!*

[Juges8932]

I posted this in the other thread- 'How exactly is D Wade better than Kobe':


Shooting:
Mid range: Kobe (Though for a time Wade was one of the better mid-range shooters. I believe it was in '09, but for some reason, he has not had the touch he had then aside from his typical baseline turn around)
3-pt: Kobe
FT: Kobe


Defense:
Rebounding: Wade (I think Kobe is a great rebounder when he wants to be, but Wade is the best rebounding guard in the league, especially given his height, IMO)
Man-to-man: Tie (Both can be lazy as Hell. I think Wade has picked it up on D since ASB, but when Kobe goes in lockdown mode, few are as good, but Wade is/close to his equal, IMO)
Help D: Wade (Not even close. Wade went 100+ in both blocks/steals in '09 and that was impressive. He is a great chase-down blocker himself and plays the passing lanes well)

Drawing fouls: Tie (Wade with his drives, Kobe with his ability to get the defender in the air. Though, neither are bad at the opposite- quite opposite in that they are both fantastic at each aspect)
Passing: Kobe (but this could be a tie. I just think Kobe has the slight edge)
Penetrating: Wade (Kobe can still penetrate well; a lot better than a lot of people make it seem, but Wade is the best IMO of the last few years at getting in the lane and being able to finish)
Post game: Kobe (Wade is not bad in the post by any means, but Kobe has a FANTASTIC post game and I would easily argue top 3 in the league. Yes, including big men)
Footwork: Tie (Wade uses his footwork well in more explosive movements and in changing directions. Kobe uses his footwork to create space or set up teammates. Both use their footwork well, but those are where each bests the other, IMO)
Clutch factor: Tie (If I need a last-second shot, I am going with Kobe. If I need somebody to make the correct play- whether passing, shooting, whatever, I am going with Wade. If I need a defensive stop for one play, I am going with Kobe, but have no problems with somebody taking Wade)
Fastbreak: Wade (He and LBJ are the top 2 in this category and it's just not close. His athletic ability, specifically his quickness, is hard to match)
Leadership: Kobe (I think he has learned to become a great leader in this league. He knows, for the most part, how to push his teammates in order to get what he wants out of them. Wade isn't necessarily a bad leader, but I think he isn't as obvious about it as Kobe. Wade leads more by example and with his energy by getting the crowd/team into the game with his play. Kobe will get in a player's face, coach them on the sidelines or in breaks of play and with his never-give-up attitude, sacrificing himself for the play (which Wade does too))

Comparison: Kobe is my favorite player in the league, but he can frustrate me more than any other player in the league sometimes. When he is playing how he knows to play, he is by far my favorite player to watch. One of those 20 pts, 10 assists games; where he is just picking apart the defense and making the smart play every time down the floor. It truly is such a joy to watch him do it. He knows exactly where to go and what to do in order to draw the correct double team to free up Pau or Bynum for the easy bucket. I've seen it too many times to count. But then, there are those games, where you just :banghead: the entire match. He is just building a mansion with all those bricks. He just simply refuses to stop, whether he is cold as ice or not. He ignores wide open teammates and it can get annoying. However, a lot of the time, he will hit those shots or go on fire and light a team up for 10 pts quickly. My favorite part of his game is his ability to hit retarded shots that make you go :eek: :bowdown: :applause: :banghead: all at the same time. It isn't always the best play, but when he makes it and is in one of those grooves, I can't help but love it. It's part of the dual-edged sword that is Kobe. You have to accept the good with the bad. Luckily, it has given more rewards.

Wade is who I find to be one the most exciting players in the league to watch. The drives he will make, the circus shots he will make, and his ability to stop on a dime and leaving the defender flying are second to none. I love watching him when he gets hot from everywhere on the floor, especially from 3, since he isn't typically great from there. He splits the defense better than anybody. His euro step is one of my favorite moves to watch. Games like last year against Boston where he shot 67% are special to watch.

Who do I think is better: I don't think you can choose either and be wrong. It may sound like copping out, but really, that is what I think. Depends on the day. People want to talk about the stats. This year, Wade is playing more efficiently and producing more than Kobe. However, he needs to for his team. Kobe has a ton of mileage on his legs and has been playing reduced minutes. He is saving himself for the playoffs. I think once the playoffs are over is when we can evaluate who the better performer on the season was. I truly think Kobe will up his level of play in the playoffs and they will be very comparable to each other. The player who does more clutch plays and/or goes further in the playoffs will probably be remembered as the better player during the season.

When it comes down to 4th-quarter play, I think Wade is more reliable for consistently playing a high-level throughout the quarter. I think Kobe is more reliable in being able to get off high-difficulty shots (yes, many times by his own doing) and making them in the closing seconds when a clutch shot is required. Also, I like Kobe's ability to hit FTs over Wade when it is a close game and it comes down to FTs.

[Ikill]

I posted this in the other thread- 'How exactly is D Wade better than Kobe':


Shooting:
Mid range: Kobe (Though for a time Wade was one of the better mid-range shooters. I believe it was in '09, but for some reason, he has not had the touch he had then aside from his typical baseline turn around)
3-pt: Kobe
FT: Kobe


Defense:
Rebounding: Wade (I think Kobe is a great rebounder when he wants to be, but Wade is the best rebounding guard in the league, especially given his height, IMO)
Man-to-man: Tie (Both can be lazy as Hell. I think Wade has picked it up on D since ASB, but when Kobe goes in lockdown mode, few are as good, but Wade is/close to his equal, IMO)
Help D: Wade (Not even close. Wade went 100+ in both blocks/steals in '09 and that was impressive. He is a great chase-down blocker himself and plays the passing lanes well)

Drawing fouls: Tie (Wade with his drives, Kobe with his ability to get the defender in the air. Though, neither are bad at the opposite- quite opposite in that they are both fantastic at each aspect)
Passing: Kobe (but this could be a tie. I just think Kobe has the slight edge)
Penetrating: Wade (Kobe can still penetrate well; a lot better than a lot of people make it seem, but Wade is the best IMO of the last few years at getting in the lane and being able to finish)
Post game: Kobe (Wade is not bad in the post by any means, but Kobe has a FANTASTIC post game and I would easily argue top 3 in the league. Yes, including big men)
Footwork: Tie (Wade uses his footwork well in more explosive movements and in changing directions. Kobe uses his footwork to create space or set up teammates. Both use their footwork well, but those are where each bests the other, IMO)
Clutch factor: Tie (If I need a last-second shot, I am going with Kobe. If I need somebody to make the correct play- whether passing, shooting, whatever, I am going with Wade. If I need a defensive stop for one play, I am going with Kobe, but have no problems with somebody taking Wade)
Fastbreak: Wade (He and LBJ are the top 2 in this category and it's just not close. His athletic ability, specifically his quickness, is hard to match)
Leadership: Kobe (I think he has learned to become a great leader in this league. He knows, for the most part, how to push his teammates in order to get what he wants out of them. Wade isn't necessarily a bad leader, but I think he isn't as obvious about it as Kobe. Wade leads more by example and with his energy by getting the crowd/team into the game with his play. Kobe will get in a player's face, coach them on the sidelines or in breaks of play and with his never-give-up attitude, sacrificing himself for the play (which Wade does too))

Comparison: Kobe is my favorite player in the league, but he can frustrate me more than any other player in the league sometimes. When he is playing how he knows to play, he is by far my favorite player to watch. One of those 20 pts, 10 assists games; where he is just picking apart the defense and making the smart play every time down the floor. It truly is such a joy to watch him do it. He knows exactly where to go and what to do in order to draw the correct double team to free up Pau or Bynum for the easy bucket. I've seen it too many times to count. But then, there are those games, where you just :banghead: the entire match. He is just building a mansion with all those bricks. He just simply refuses to stop, whether he is cold as ice or not. He ignores wide open teammates and it can get annoying. However, a lot of the time, he will hit those shots or go on fire and light a team up for 10 pts quickly. My favorite part of his game is his ability to hit retarded shots that make you go :eek: :bowdown: :applause: :banghead: all at the same time. It isn't always the best play, but when he makes it and is in one of those grooves, I can't help but love it. It's part of the dual-edged sword that is Kobe. You have to accept the good with the bad. Luckily, it has given more rewards.

Wade is who I find to be one the most exciting players in the league to watch. The drives he will make, the circus shots he will make, and his ability to stop on a dime and leaving the defender flying are second to none. I love watching him when he gets hot from everywhere on the floor, especially from 3, since he isn't typically great from there. He splits the defense better than anybody. His euro step is one of my favorite moves to watch. Games like last year against Boston where he shot 67% are special to watch.

Who do I think is better: I don't think you can choose either and be wrong. It may sound like copping out, but really, that is what I think. Depends on the day. People want to talk about the stats. This year, Wade is playing more efficiently and producing more than Kobe. However, he needs to for his team. Kobe has a ton of mileage on his legs and has been playing reduced minutes. He is saving himself for the playoffs. I think once the playoffs are over is when we can evaluate who the better performer on the season was. I truly think Kobe will up his level of play in the playoffs and they will be very comparable to each other. The player who does more clutch plays and/or goes further in the playoffs will probably be remembered as the better player during the season.

When it comes down to 4th-quarter play, I think Wade is more reliable for consistently playing a high-level throughout the quarter. I think Kobe is more reliable in being able to get off high-difficulty shots (yes, many times by his own doing) and making them in the closing seconds when a clutch shot is required. Also, I like Kobe's ability to hit FTs over Wade when it is a close game and it comes down to FTs.
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