Scotie Pippen dumps all over Badboy Pistons, Badboys fire back!

[Juice Willis]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/John-Salley-still-has-an-answer-for-Scottie-Pipp;_ylt=AkSl3fwem4U6DqukO_pHKVS8vLYF?urn=nba-wp560

Damn both Scottie and Spider went in. But i got to give this round to Spider Sally. He's right, Jordan and the Bulls still have nightmares about the champion Pistons!

[97 bulls]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/John-Salley-still-has-an-answer-for-Scottie-Pipp;_ylt=AkSl3fwem4U6DqukO_pHKVS8vLYF?urn=nba-wp560

Damn both Scottie and Spider went in. But i got to give this round to Spider Sally. He's right, Jordan and the Bulls still have nightmares about the champion Pistons!
It sounds to me like the interviewer asked pippen about those games against the pistons.

It seems to me the pistons were butthurt. Seeing as how they left the game before it was over in 91 as if they were fans.

[Da_Realist]

According to nerd boy 12 year olds, the Pistons were overrated because they didn't score high enough on their defensive rating test.

[G.O.A.T]

^Pippen was a fine player, but a colossal tool and not very intelligent.

Here in Detroit, he is hated and not respected, the media doesn't even consider him close to the top 50 all-time, seriously.

[97 bulls]

According to nerd boy 12 year olds, the Pistons were:roll: overrated because they didn't score high enough on their defensive rating test.
Lol:roll:

[97 bulls]

^Pippen was a fine player, but a colossal tool and not very intelligent.

Here in Detroit, he is hated and not respected, the media doesn't even consider him close to the top 50 all-time, seriously.
Ouch. Really?

[STATUTORY]

^Pippen was a fine player, but a colossal tool and not very intelligent.

Here in Detroit, he is hated and not respected, the media doesn't even consider him close to the top 50 all-time, seriously.

but what do y'all think of eminem?

[Thorn]

^Pippen was a fine player, but a colossal tool and not very intelligent.

Here in Detroit, he is hated and not respected, the media doesn't even consider him close to the top 50 all-time, seriously.

I'd hate to hear who #50 on the Detroit media's all time list is.

[YAK]

^Pippen was a fine player, but a colossal tool and not very intelligent.

Here in Detroit, he is hated and not respected, the media doesn't even consider him close to the top 50 all-time, seriously.

Dang, Media still mad they swept Detroit's ass once they became adults.

Yakkity Yak

[get these NETS]

just read that jordan playboy interview and he said he specifically made himself shake the pistons hands each time they lost to them.

haven't confirmed that yet... if it's true...my opinion about that walk off changes.


can somebody find a vid of close out game and Jordan shaking hands with any Pistons?

[L.Kizzle]

I'd hate to hear who #50 on the Detroit media's all time list is.
It's obvious Detroit City is talking about "the migraine."

[Wukillabeez78]

The Pistons had a reason for walking off the court without congratulating the Bulls. Jordan had talked shit about the Pistons the day before sweeping them on national tv. You can read the story here: http://thestartingfive.wordpress.com/2007/05/07/739/

The Bulls got up 3-0 and then suddenly want to talk shit and act tough. I wouldn't shake an opponents hand either who had displayed no class while beating my team/organization.

The 1980s Celtics used to be just as rough as the Pistons. The Celtics used to knock teams on their asses and play very physical too (most notably against the Lakers in their Finals meetings). Pat Riley among others used to complain about the Celtics tactics. The Pistons learned from the best and the organization built a team specifically that was tough enough to compete with and ultimately defeat them. As the article points out most of the Celtics (Bird, DJ, Ainge, Parish) had walked off the court and didn't congratulate the Pistons in 1987 ECF after beating them. Only Kevin McHale wished them well. A winning team (87 Celtics) behaving the same way a team that had lost (91 Pistons) did and the Pistons had suffered the added indignity of being antagonized and disparaged by the team that beat them. Yet it was a non-story when the Celtics did it.

Bottom line is if Jordan had not talked shit on national tv the Pistons would not have behaved the way they did. Larry Bird and the Celtics would have walked off the court had the Bulls done the same thing to them and their organization.

[Knoe Itawl]

The Pistons had a reason for walking off the court without congratulating the Bulls. Jordan had talked shit about the Pistons the day before sweeping them on national tv. You can read the story here: http://thestartingfive.wordpress.com/2007/05/07/739/

The Bulls got up 3-0 and then suddenly want to talk shit and act tough. I wouldn't shake an opponents hand either who had displayed no class while beating my team/organization.

The 1980s Celtics used to be just as rough as the Pistons. The Celtics used to knock teams on their asses and play very physical too (most notably against the Lakers in their Finals meetings). Pat Riley among others used to complain about the Celtics tactics. The Pistons learned from the best and the organization built a team specifically that was tough enough to compete with and ultimately defeat them. As the article points out most of the Celtics (Bird, DJ, Ainge, Parish) had walked off the court and didn't congratulate the Pistons in 1987 ECF after beating them. Only Kevin McHale wished them well. A winning team (87 Celtics) behaving the same way a team that had lost (91 Pistons) did and the Pistons had suffered the added indignity of being antagonized and disparaged by the team that beat them. Yet it was a non-story when the Celtics did it.

Bottom line is if Jordan had not talked shit on national tv the Pistons would not have behaved the way they did. Larry Bird and the Celtics would have walked off the court had the Bulls done the same thing to them and their organization.

Oh please. You know how much shit was talked in the years prior on the court and how much the Pistons brutalized the Bulls? The two teams HATED each other yet Jordan shook their hands regardless. No matter how much spin you try to put on it, it was a punk move not shaking hands.

[kentatm]

Oh please. You know how much shit was talked in the years prior on the court and how much the Pistons brutalized the Bulls? The two teams HATED each other yet Jordan shook their hands regardless. No matter how much spin you try to put on it, it was a punk move not shaking hands.

this

[STATUTORY]

Oh please. You know how much shit was talked in the years prior on the court and how much the Pistons brutalized the Bulls? The two teams HATED each other yet Jordan shook their hands regardless. No matter how much spin you try to put on it, it was a punk move not shaking hands.

the continued canonization of saint Jordan on ISH

[Wukillabeez78]

Oh please. You know how much shit was talked in the years prior on the court and how much the Pistons brutalized the Bulls? The two teams HATED each other yet Jordan shook their hands regardless. No matter how much spin you try to put on it, it was a punk move not shaking hands.

I definitely know how much shit was talked. Brutalized the Bulls? A hard foul that prevents a layup is brutal? Of course their were occasions when during the course of committing a hard foul they'd committ a flagrant one instead but that's part of the game. The Pistons became a better team and a tough, championship team because they had endured the same tactics employed against them by Boston for years. The Bulls became a tougher team and a championship squad for the same reasons, because figuring out how to defeat the Pistons made them that much better. No matter how you spin it the 80s Celtics and Pistons play a large part in the development and legacy of the Bulls teams that had success in the 90s.

It wasn't a punk move for the Pistons not to shake the Bulls hands. At most it was a example of being a poor sport. But if one knows what precipitated the Pistons walking off the court then its much easier to understand why they did it. A punk move (more like b*tch move) is talking shit about your opponent during an interview that aired before the game on national tv while up 3-0. Who does this? That's what I call a punk move. You can call the 80s Pistons a lot of things but they definitely weren't punks. At the most sore losers/poor sports but that was a show of solidarity against a team that had pulled the real punk move...

[Wukillabeez78]

I agree with what John Salley said in the OP's link. He said that the Pistons had beaten the Bulls psychologically and that's why they won. This is true. What the Pistons did was the same thing teams in the NFL do with receivers who go over the middle to catch the ball. You let him know nothing is going to come easy. And the Bulls used to get intimidated by this until they got over this psychological impediment.

When the playoffs start this year watch how teams play. The teams that win don't give up easy baskets. Watch the Celtics. Hell, watch the Lakers. Did you see what Bynum did to Beasley to earn his suspension? That's the kind of playoff foul the Pistons and other physical teams dole out. And during that era that's definitely how winning teams played. Do you remember seeing Rambis fouling people hard for the 80s Lakers back in the day? NO LAYUPS has been every winning team's mantra in the playoffs for years and that hasn't changed today.

[Da_Realist]

If Scottie was totally honest, he'd admit the Pistons groomed those Bulls to be the champions they ended up being thoughout the 90's. Salley's right: The Bulls were more athletic and they were younger, but not smarter. Nothing shows this more perfectly than the 1990 series. In 1988 and 1989, the Pistons were clearly better. But 1990, the only difference between the Bulls and Pistons was that the Pistons were just more disciplined and mentally strong enough to execute. Defense was just as good on both sides. However, the Pistons executed their half-court offense. No matter what, the Pistons trusted each other offensively. But when things got tough, the Bulls would break out of their offense and try to use their youth and athleticism. Sometimes that worked and sometimes it didn't, but over the course of a long series against a disciplined defensive team like the Pistons, it wasn't a winning strategy.

It was the Pistons that ultimately convinced Michael Jordan that he couldn't do it alone and he needed to involve the other players in the offense. It wasn't Phil Jackson, it was the Pistons. It was the Pistons that toughened up young Scottie, mentally. Scottie was used to flying all over the court but he couldn't do that in a grind it out halfcourt set with Dennis Rodman hounding him all series long. He had to trust the offense all the way through. It was the Pistons that convinced the Bulls they needed to get stronger (they all followed Jordan's lead and worked to get stronger after the 1990 loss).

I used to hate the Pistons, but now I appreciate that team. They learned from the Celtics before them. Detroit used to be a running team in the mid-eighties, but Boston put a stop to all that and forced the Pistons to change their mentality. It's the way it should be. Knock the young cats on their butts until they realize athleticism isn't everything. It's the same thing the Jazz taught the Shaq/Van Exel/Eddie Jones era Lakers in the late 90's. It was a rite of passage back then.

[get these NETS]

The Pistons had a reason for walking off the court without congratulating the Bulls. Jordan had talked shit about the Pistons the day before sweeping them on national tv. You can read the story here: http://thestartingfive.wordpress.com/2007/05/07/739/

The Bulls got up 3-0 and then suddenly want to talk shit and act tough. I wouldn't shake an opponents hand either who had displayed no class while beating my team/organization.

The 1980s Celtics used to be just as rough as the Pistons. The Celtics used to knock teams on their asses and play very physical too (most notably against the Lakers in their Finals meetings). Pat Riley among others used to complain about the Celtics tactics. The Pistons learned from the best and the organization built a team specifically that was tough enough to compete with and ultimately defeat them. As the article points out most of the Celtics (Bird, DJ, Ainge, Parish) had walked off the court and didn't congratulate the Pistons in 1987 ECF after beating them. Only Kevin McHale wished them well. A winning team (87 Celtics) behaving the same way a team that had lost (91 Pistons) did and the Pistons had suffered the added indignity of being antagonized and disparaged by the team that beat them. Yet it was a non-story when the Celtics did it.

Bottom line is if Jordan had not talked shit on national tv the Pistons would not have behaved the way they did. Larry Bird and the Celtics would have walked off the court had the Bulls done the same thing to them and their organization.



I hear you BUT.....walking into your locker room AFTER the game is over is different than a pre planned walk IN FRONT of the Bulls bench before the game was over...


in fact planning a-when-we-lose march when you're down 0-3 is kind of garbage.

I respect opponents not liking each other and I remember the Isaiah /McHale soul clap and the fact that Bird,etc just walked off the court but if the MAIN guy on the Bulls forced himself to shake hands after you beat him up series after series....you don't have to organize some punk move.



AND as for the first part....stop trying to revise history. Laimbeer and Mahorn were outright dirty players. No comparison to the some of the hard fouls that happened in Celtics/Lakers rivalry.

Once the Bulls overcame the Pistons and that prison style defense..I knew they'd never lose in Finals though....even with the reincarnation of the Pistons style with the Riley knicks..

[NoName22]

According to nerd boy 12 year olds, the Pistons were overrated because they didn't score high enough on their defensive rating test.

According to some they're some superheroes against whom we can't score.

[JellyBean]

If Scottie was totally honest, he'd admit the Pistons groomed those Bulls to be the champions they ended up being thoughout the 90's. Salley's right: The Bulls were more athletic and they were younger, but not smarter. Nothing shows this more perfectly than the 1990 series. In 1988 and 1989, the Pistons were clearly better. But 1990, the only difference between the Bulls and Pistons was that the Pistons were just more disciplined and mentally strong enough to execute. Defense was just as good on both sides. However, the Pistons executed their half-court offense. No matter what, the Pistons trusted each other offensively. But when things got tough, the Bulls would break out of their offense and try to use their youth and athleticism. Sometimes that worked and sometimes it didn't, but over the course of a long series against a disciplined defensive team like the Pistons, it wasn't a winning strategy.

It was the Pistons that ultimately convinced Michael Jordan that he couldn't do it alone and he needed to involve the other players in the offense. It wasn't Phil Jackson, it was the Pistons. It was the Pistons that toughened up young Scottie, mentally. Scottie was used to flying all over the court but he couldn't do that in a grind it out halfcourt set with Dennis Rodman hounding him all series long. He had to trust the offense all the way through. It was the Pistons that convinced the Bulls they needed to get stronger (they all followed Jordan's lead and worked to get stronger after the 1990 loss).

I used to hate the Pistons, but now I appreciate that team. They learned from the Celtics before them. Detroit used to be a running team in the mid-eighties, but Boston put a stop to all that and forced the Pistons to change their mentality. It's the way it should be. Knock the young cats on their butts until they realize athleticism isn't everything. It's the same thing the Jazz taught the Shaq/Van Exel/Eddie Jones era Lakers in the late 90's. It was a rite of passage back then.


:applause: Thank you. Very well said. It was rite of passage. Scottie Pippen should be thanking the Pistons for making the Bulls a mentally and physically tough team.

[Dengness9]

Pistons fans mad after all these years.... Wow.


It was fun reading through multiple posts of people trying to revise history.


Pistons won back to back chips. Bad Boys were a hell of a team, and they definitely were huge in the Bulls growth into becoming a dynasty.


But they were as dirty a team that ever played pro ball. They didn't just play rough and tough. They were cheapshotting left and right, and had numerous DIRTY ass players, rodman,mahorn, laimbeer...etc

the FACT of the matter is the Pistons got shocked in a sweep and weren't ready to pass the torch.

I don't wanna hear no shit about MJ and the Bulls talking shit with a 3-0 lead. They finally earned the right to say whatever they wanted. You gonna tell me the Pistons didn't talk an infinite amount of shit throughout a 3-4 year span. Please.


Anybody makin the excuse the Pistons walkEd of cuz of some shit talking is only making the Pistons look mentally soft and emotionally hurt.

But we all know they were emotionally hurt cuz of how they walked out like some fans or something.

Y'all can remember it however you want, but Pistons didn't shake hands cuz they were dominated and embarrassed. FACT.

[Wukillabeez78]

I hear you BUT.....walking into your locker room AFTER the game is over is different than a pre planned walk IN FRONT of the Bulls bench before the game was over...


in fact planning a-when-we-lose march when you're down 0-3 is kind of garbage.

I respect opponents not liking each other and I remember the Isaiah /McHale soul clap and the fact that Bird,etc just walked off the court but if the MAIN guy on the Bulls forced himself to shake hands after you beat him up series after series....you don't have to organize some punk move.



AND as for the first part....stop trying to revise history. Laimbeer and Mahorn were outright dirty players. No comparison to the some of the hard fouls that happened in Celtics/Lakers rivalry.

Once the Bulls overcame the Pistons and that prison style defense..I knew they'd never lose in Finals though....even with the reincarnation of the Pistons style with the Riley knicks..

Walking to your locker room after beating a team without shaking their hands (like the Celtics did after beating the Pistons) shows less class than the walkout Detroit did after losing to Chicago. Other than competing hard to win the Pistons did nothing to deserve that treatment from Boston. What Boston did showed a total lack of respect for Detroit and was a poor show of sportsmanship. The Pistons didn't plan their walkout before the game; it was a spur of the moment decision influenced by Jordan's comments and because of how the Bulls conducted themselves during the game. You seem to not understand that the Piston's walkout was precipitated by Jordan's comments. The definition of a b*tch in competition is someone who talks shit only when they're the frontrunner, only when they're ahead. Jordan showed a lack of insight, lack of class and more importantly a lack of respect for the 2 time defending champions with his comments on national tv. You don't talk shit before the series is over and you don't disparage an entire organization on tv. McGrady did something similar during the playoffs in 2003 and put his foot in his mouth by saying it was finally great to be advancing past the 1st round against the Pistons with his team up 3-1 (of course they ended up losing). McGrady's gaffe wasn't as bad though because he wasn't saying things like the Pistons are bad for basketball like Jordan did. Jordan never had a reason not to shake the Piston's hands after losing to them because they never showed a lack of class like he did and never made disparaging comments to the media about the Bulls.

Go back and look at the Celtics/Lakers rivarly (since you clearly don't remember it). The Lakers hated playing the Celtics because the Celtics gave them nothing easy. Here's a example of a McHale hammering Rambis http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxFE8KHNXa4
Fouls like that were a common occurence and nothing the Pistons did was anything worse than what the Celtics and other physical teams did then or still do today.

Laimbeer was a highly skilled player. He was a great rebounder and a good low post defender. He was also a good three point shooter and was one of the first big men who routinely would step out and hit threes and midrange jumpers. His game was a lot like Rasheed Wallace's and it's too bad Wallace didn't possess Laimbeer's incredible passion for the game. Mahorn was a specialist who provided defense and rebounding (along with underrated passing). Were either of them dirty? That's subjective. I don't feel they were dirty, I feel they both played hard and played to win. Committing a hard foul is not dirty. They weren't trying to hurt anybody but they made damn sure that the person they fouled would have to earn the points at the free throw line. Good teams do this and that's why they win. I'm sure teams like the Suns and Mavericks wish they had players like Laimbeer and Mahorn playing with them. Nash and Dirk would both have rings if they had tough, reliable players who came to work everyday and performed their jobs.

I preferred the NBA before it instituted the hand-checking rule. I prefer a more physical game that allows the players to decide the game instead of the refs. I don't enjoy seeing an NBA Finals series when a player (Wade) goes to the line numerous times for touch fouls. Some players still play just as physical as teams did back then. Dwight Howard is always giving out hard fouls. Kenyon Martin does as well. The recent Spurs championship teams always had physical players (Bowen, Rose, Horry, etc...) who would foul you hard. All of the current Celtics play very physically and don't have any qualms about issuing hard, playoff fouls. Many of the Lakers (Bynum, Odom, Artest) do as well. Every team who wins has players like Laimbeer and Mahorn on them. Tough-nosed players like these are always in demand. Why do you think OKC got Perkins? Bottom line is physical teams win. Finesse teams do not.

[Wukillabeez78]

If Scottie was totally honest, he'd admit the Pistons groomed those Bulls to be the champions they ended up being thoughout the 90's. Salley's right: The Bulls were more athletic and they were younger, but not smarter. Nothing shows this more perfectly than the 1990 series. In 1988 and 1989, the Pistons were clearly better. But 1990, the only difference between the Bulls and Pistons was that the Pistons were just more disciplined and mentally strong enough to execute. Defense was just as good on both sides. However, the Pistons executed their half-court offense. No matter what, the Pistons trusted each other offensively. But when things got tough, the Bulls would break out of their offense and try to use their youth and athleticism. Sometimes that worked and sometimes it didn't, but over the course of a long series against a disciplined defensive team like the Pistons, it wasn't a winning strategy.

It was the Pistons that ultimately convinced Michael Jordan that he couldn't do it alone and he needed to involve the other players in the offense. It wasn't Phil Jackson, it was the Pistons. It was the Pistons that toughened up young Scottie, mentally. Scottie was used to flying all over the court but he couldn't do that in a grind it out halfcourt set with Dennis Rodman hounding him all series long. He had to trust the offense all the way through. It was the Pistons that convinced the Bulls they needed to get stronger (they all followed Jordan's lead and worked to get stronger after the 1990 loss).

I used to hate the Pistons, but now I appreciate that team. They learned from the Celtics before them. Detroit used to be a running team in the mid-eighties, but Boston put a stop to all that and forced the Pistons to change their mentality. It's the way it should be. Knock the young cats on their butts until they realize athleticism isn't everything. It's the same thing the Jazz taught the Shaq/Van Exel/Eddie Jones era Lakers in the late 90's. It was a rite of passage back then.

Great Post. The Pistons were a running team in Isiah's first years with the team. He and a guy named Kelly Tripucka used to light up the league (Pistons of this era were involved in the highest scoring game ever, 186-184 in favor of the Pistons). However the Pistons weren't able to be successful in the playoffs playing this way and had to play a slower, methodical, physical style to match up with and finally defeat veteran teams like the Celtics and 76ers. Young teams don't win in the NBA. Tough, experienced teams who have been through wars win.

[get these NETS]

Walking to your locker room after beating a team without shaking their hands (like the Celtics did after beating the Pistons) shows less class than the walkout Detroit did after losing to Chicago. Other than competing hard to win the Pistons did nothing to deserve that treatment from Boston. What Boston did showed a total lack of respect for Detroit and was a poor show of sportsmanship.

sixers celtics rivalry was as hated as ANY ever...I don't think they exchanged pounds and hugs when one team advanced. why would the celtics shake hands with the pistons? unless, like claimed, the pistons and their lead guys forced themselves during the losing years to congratulate the celtics?

The Pistons didn't plan their walkout before the game; it was a spur of the moment decision influenced by Jordan's comments and because of how the Bulls conducted themselves during the game. You seem to not understand that the Piston's walkout was precipitated by Jordan's comments. The definition of a b*tch in competition is someone who talks shit only when they're the frontrunner, only when they're ahead. Jordan showed a lack of insight, lack of class and more importantly a lack of respect for the 2 time defending champions with his comments on national tv.

revised. person goes on tv and disses you? how about winning the closeout game and extending the series? and why did joe dumars play the kevin mchale role and go shake hands with the bull sanyway? had nothing to do with what mike said.......pistons were like the bully who gets stomped out...and cannot understand that their victims aren't afraid anymore

You don't talk shit before the series is over and you don't disparage an entire organization on tv. McGrady did something similar during the playoffs in 2003 and put his foot in his mouth by saying it was finally great to be advancing past the 1st round against the Pistons with his team up 3-1 (of course they ended up losing). McGrady's gaffe wasn't as bad though because he wasn't saying things like the Pistons are bad for basketball like Jordan did. Jordan never had a reason not to shake the Piston's hands after losing to them because they never showed a lack of class like he did and never made disparaging comments to the media about the Bulls.
Pippen still has stitches in his chin from rodman cheapshotting during a series. So go somewhere else trying to say that "pistons never showed lack of class" sp Jordan never had reason to not shake hands...

Go back and look at the Celtics/Lakers rivarly (since you clearly don't remember it). The Lakers hated playing the Celtics because the Celtics gave them nothing easy. Here's a example of a McHale hammering Rambis http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxFE8KHNXa4
Fouls like that were a common occurence and nothing the Pistons did was anything worse than what the Celtics and other physical teams did then or still do today.

I'm old enough to remember that rivalry AND the sixers/celtics. That closeline stands out because for all the trashtalk and physical play......very rarely did lakers or celtics cheapshot each other like that.

Laimbeer was a highly skilled player. He was a great rebounder and a good low post defender. He was also a good three point shooter and was one of the first big men who routinely would step out and hit threes and midrange jumpers. His game was a lot like Rasheed Wallace's and it's too bad Wallace didn't possess Laimbeer's incredible passion for the game. Mahorn was a specialist who provided defense and rebounding (along with underrated passing). Were either of them dirty? That's subjective. I don't feel they were dirty, I feel they both played hard and played to win. Committing a hard foul is not dirty. They weren't trying to hurt anybody but they made damn sure that the person they fouled would have to earn the points at the free throw line.

You ARE aware that BEFORE he was a piston, that mahorn and jeff ruland were known as mcfilthy and mcnasty for the bullets, right?Laimbeer was a dirty player. the BAD BOYS persona and nickname came from WHERE, exactly?

Good teams do this and that's why they win. I'm sure teams like the Suns and Mavericks wish they had players like Laimbeer and Mahorn playing with them. Nash and Dirk would both have rings if they had tough, reliable players who came to work everyday and performed their jobs.

I preferred the NBA before it instituted the hand-checking rule. I prefer a more physical game that allows the players to decide the game instead of the refs. I don't enjoy seeing an NBA Finals series when a player (Wade) goes to the line numerous times for touch fouls. Some players still play just as physical as teams did back then. Dwight Howard is always giving out hard fouls. Kenyon Martin does as well. The recent Spurs championship teams always had physical players (Bowen, Rose, Horry, etc...) who would foul you hard. All of the current Celtics play very physically and don't have any qualms about issuing hard, playoff fouls. Many of the Lakers (Bynum, Odom, Artest) do as well. Every team who wins has players like Laimbeer and Mahorn on them. Tough-nosed players like these are always in demand. Why do you think OKC got Perkins? Bottom line is physical teams win. Finesse teams do not.


The second wave of pistons champs were among the best defensive teams in decades....and they played hard nosed defense without resorting to Riker's Island rules.

In THAT era....Joe Dumars and Dennis Johnson were some of the better Jordan defenders....without resorting to tricks and dirty play

[get these NETS]

late 80s pistons highlights and fights


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGmu_9PBj90&feature=related

[the_wise_one]

The Pistons had a reason for walking off the court without congratulating the Bulls. Jordan had talked shit about the Pistons the day before sweeping them on national tv. You can read the story here: http://thestartingfive.wordpress.com/2007/05/07/739/

The Bulls got up 3-0 and then suddenly want to talk shit and act tough. I wouldn't shake an opponents hand either who had displayed no class while beating my team/organization.

The 1980s Celtics used to be just as rough as the Pistons. The Celtics used to knock teams on their asses and play very physical too (most notably against the Lakers in their Finals meetings). Pat Riley among others used to complain about the Celtics tactics. The Pistons learned from the best and the organization built a team specifically that was tough enough to compete with and ultimately defeat them. As the article points out most of the Celtics (Bird, DJ, Ainge, Parish) had walked off the court and didn't congratulate the Pistons in 1987 ECF after beating them. Only Kevin McHale wished them well. A winning team (87 Celtics) behaving the same way a team that had lost (91 Pistons) did and the Pistons had suffered the added indignity of being antagonized and disparaged by the team that beat them. Yet it was a non-story when the Celtics did it.

Bottom line is if Jordan had not talked shit on national tv the Pistons would not have behaved the way they did. Larry Bird and the Celtics would have walked off the court had the Bulls done the same thing to them and their organization.

That article is biased and racist.

[Blzrfn]

Quote "Knock the young cats on their butts until they realize athleticism isn't everything. It's the same thing the Jazz taught the Shaq/Van Exel/Eddie Jones era Lakers in the late 90's. It was a rite of passage back then." Quote

This is a really good point. In 1998, LA looked really good after beating the Sonics in the second round, but Utah had their number, and kicked the crap out of them. The Jazz owned them until Phil Jackson came on board.

[alexandreben]

^Pippen was a fine player, but a colossal tool and not very intelligent.

Here in Detroit, he is hated and not respected, the media doesn't even consider him close to the top 50 all-time, seriously.
not close to top 50 all time? you can't be serious, can you?... I'd be lying if I said I'm not shocked reading this, even Daly said Pistons lost to Bulls afterwords only just because that Pippen finally became Pippen... how come the media not give him any credit??!!:wtf:

[PHILA]

it was a punk move not shaking hands.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_G8SlZTuIA#t=04m16s

[iamgine]

Salley: Guys who said we played dirty couldn't have played in the '80s and the '70s. I watched those games in the '80s and '70s, and it's how I learned to play that hard. You fouled a guy who needs to be fouled. If he's going to the basket, you don't give a knick-knack foul and then argue with the ref. You foul him so he knows, so the next guy coming behind him knows, so his team knows you can't go in the lane.



Okay, Salley basically just confirmed what Pippen said. That doesn't sound like basketball to me. That's not playing hard. Playing hard was what Bobby Jones did. Hustle and effort is playing hard. Not hurting the other team intentionally to send a message. That's much worse than flopping.

[Da_Realist]

Both teams walk off the court before being eliminated by bitter rivals in the Eastern Conference Finals. Is there a difference?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ik0GTlhv2NQ

[Teanett]

why should the bulls have nightmares?
pistons dominated them but then the bulls swept them, made them quit, say "no mas" made them their stepping stone.
detroit never challenged again, bulls won 6.
if anybody ever overcome their nemesis and bullied the bully it's scotty and the bulls.

[10x91= 5 Rings]

Hey I love Scottie,but talk about hypocrisy.The Bulls sure didn`t have a problem getting Dennis Rodman - Mr. Graduate from the School of Laimbeer himself - who gave them the much needed Cojones,especially in the playoffs.

[97 bulls]

Hey I love Scottie,but talk about hypocrisy.The Bulls sure didn`t have a problem getting Dennis Rodman - Mr. Graduate from the School of Laimbeer himself - who gave them the much needed Cojones,especially in the playoffs.
Rodman was one of those types of players that you love when he's on your side. But hate when he's on the other. .

[10x91= 5 Rings]

Rodman was one of those types of players that you love when he's on your side. But hate when he's on the other. .

Exactamundo. Damn how I miss a player like him and that team really was one for the ages.

[liquidrage]

Without Jordan, Pippen is a poor man's Grant Hill. Why he's talking at all or anyone cares I'll never know.

[97 bulls]

Without Jordan, Pippen is a poor man's Grant Hill. Why he's talking at all or anyone cares I'll never know.
Your bonkers bro. Pippen was a beast. Its just tough when guy are literraly trying to hurt you