Is Derrick Rose on Dwyane Wade's level?

[cteach111]

When I watch Rose this year, he seems almost exactly like a shorter version of Dwyane Wade. Their slashing abilities are pretty equal imo and Rose is already about as good a shooter as Wade is (excluding the 2006 playoffs Wade of course). Their playmaking abilities also seem fairly close... and D. Rose has the potential to be more of a threat because he's proven that the opposing teams will pay for fouling him (FT%).

The one thing that separates them... and its a big thing is size. I don't mean to take away from Wade, but it's easy to imagine Rose playing almost exactly like Wade if they were the same size.

What do yall think? Yay or nay?

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

Defense and shot selection is what really separate Wade from Rose

[Rose]

He's close. Rose has upped his numbers in the playoffs by a lot the last two years, and a lot depends on him doing that again.

[Ikill]

no Rose is just not as talented/skilled as Wade i don't think he ever will be and there my two favorite players

[Micku]

No.

Wade's shot selection and defense is better. Wade is also a better scorer. I think Rose is a better shooter though. And he could potentially be better if his shot selection was better and play better d, but it's doubtful. We'll see in the future.

[Dengness9]

Defense and shot selection is what really separate Wade from Rose

and wouldn't you say those are two of the most common attributes that usually improve as a player gets more experience??

The sky is the limit for Rose.


People love to forget he's only 22.

Plus he's proven in his first 2 offseason he improves what his game is lacking.

He has so much more ceiling it's scary.

[Ikill]

He's close. Rose has upped his numbers in the playoffs by a lot the last two years, and a lot depends on him doing that again.
I don't think there close maybe this year but overall Wade is just a much better player

[Jacks3]

Rose: 25/8/4/54% TS/23 PER
Wade:26/7/4/57%/25 PER

Wade is still superior in the clutch and is a better finisher/slasher. Rose is the better shooter and shot-creator.


Pretty close, but Wade is still the clear winner. Far better play-off performer right now.

[KingBeasley08]

No. No, he is not

[D.J.]

Nope. Wade is a better defender and has a higher ball IQ. Wade also won a title with 34 year old Shaq, Antoine Walker, White Chocolate, and Haslem as the best players after him.

[jrong]

Would you be making this comparison if Wade was averaging 27-30 ppg and 7 apg? Because that's what his averages would be if he wasn't playing next to LBJ. His stats this year don't represent a decline in his game; they represent the fact that he's playing next to arguably the most ball-dominant player in league history.

Or you can turn this logic around and ask what Rose's stats would be if James had gone to Chicago. I'll tell you this-- he wouldn't be averaging 25/8.

[Ikill]

Would you be making this comparison if Wade was averaging 27-30 ppg and 7 apg? Because that's what his averages would be if he wasn't playing next to LBJ. His stats this year don't represent a decline in his game; they represent the fact that he's playing next to arguably the most ball-dominant player in league history.

Or you can turn this logic around and ask what Rose's stats would be if James had gone to Chicago. I'll tell you this-- he wouldn't be averaging 25/8.
good thing Lebrons actually learning to play without the ball next years Wades stats should be up again

[Hulk Hogan]

Rose: 25/8/4/54% TS/23 PER
Wade:26/7/4/57%/25 PER

Wade is still superior in the clutch and is a better finisher/slasher. Rose is the better shooter and shot-creator.


Pretty close, but Wade is still the clear winner. Far better play-off performer right now.

Take away the refs and wade won't average 20!

[jrong]

good thing Lebrons actually learning to play without the ball next years Wades stats should be up again

His assists should at least be above 5 per game next year. They have definitely gone up since the team started distributing possessions more equitably. I don't know if his scoring will rise though.

[Miserio]

Take away the refs and wade won't average 20!
Take away the refs and shaq would average 70 per game.

[Jacks3]

Nope. Wade is a better defender and has a higher ball IQ. Wade also won a title with 34 year old Shaq, Antoine Walker, White Chocolate, and Haslem as the best players after him.
Yeah, a 34-yr old Shaq who was the best center in basketball.

[Ikill]

His assists should at least be above 5 per game next year. They have definitely gone up since the team started distributing possessions more equitably. I don't know if his scoring will rise though.
his scoring will be up too 1 or 2 more points cause he won't have those really bad games next year like he did this year. so something like 27-28/6/6

[D.J.]

Yeah, a 34-yr old Shaq who was the best center in basketball.


A 34 year old Shaq that averaged 33 MPG in the playoffs and 19/8. Sounds like good numbers, but this is Shaq and he clearly was not the first option at that point. A team that also had Alonzo Mourning backing him up. Sure he provided instant D off the bench, but he was only reliable for short spurts.

[imdaman99]

Yeah sure, once he wins a title he will be as good as Wade.

How about he get to the 2nd round first?

[DRose.IS.da.MAN]

Would you be making this comparison if Wade was averaging 27-30 ppg and 7 apg? Because that's what his averages would be if he wasn't playing next to LBJ. His stats this year don't represent a decline in his game; they represent the fact that he's playing next to arguably the most ball-dominant player in league history.

Or you can turn this logic around and ask what Rose's stats would be if James had gone to Chicago. I'll tell you this-- he wouldn't be averaging 25/8.

Playing next to lebron would actually help rose put up better numbers. Defense would not be only focused on him which will lead to easier shots and more assists. Shows how much you know basketball, think before you talk :hammerhead:

[cteach111]

Yeah sure, once he wins a title he will be as good as Wade.

How about he get to the 2nd round first?

well that'll be easy since they gonna get there this year

[jrong]

Playing next to lebron would actually help rose put up better numbers. Defense would not be only focused on him which will lead to easier shots and more assists. Shows how much you know basketball, think before you talk :hammerhead:

Dumbest post of the night. Rose has complete monopoly of the Bulls' offense. He would have to share that with LeBron, and let's be honest, in his third year in the league, he'd be deferring to James much more than Wade does. There's no way James wouldn't have totally taken over the team from a 22 year old. My guess is that Rose would average about 19/6.

How you actually typed something this stupid and didn't stop yourself, I have no idea. All you have to do is look at Bron and Wade's numbers when they played separately and compare them to their numbers this year to see the effect two ball-dominant stars have on each other's averages when they play together.

[chicity89]

No he definitely isn't yet, but he's only 22 he still has a long way to go yet. When his jumper becomes a lot more consistent and he continues to improve on defense, then yes I think he can become as good or perhaps better than Wade if he can stay healthy in the future.

[EnoughSaid]

Take away the refs and wade won't average 20!

Take away the mid range skill of Kobe and he won't average 10. See how easy that is? Drawing a foul and getting contact is a skill.

[amfirst]

Rose is obvious better. Didn't u seen him blow by Wade, he can't touch him.

[Jacks3]

Wade would put up better numbers without LBJ, but his TS% would go down to where it was in 09-10 and his team would have no chance at a championship.

[EnoughSaid]

Wade would put up better numbers without LBJ, but his TS% would go down to where it was in 09-10 and his team would have no chance at a championship.

I think Wade would average around 30 this season with a few more touches.

[Micku]

I think Wade would average around 30 this season with a few more touches.

I dunno about that, it depends how he plays. With LeBron and Wade on the floor, they have less defensive pressure, but they cancel each other out sometimes with their game being too similar. Against weaker teams though, they excel.

[Jacks3]

I think Wade would average around 30 this season with a few more touches.
More like 27.

[ReturnofJPR]

LOL...

He is passed Wade's "level" and has been for months now.

[dee-rose]

No. Defense matters.

[juju151111]

Derrick Rose is only 22 guys. Why are you comparing to prome Wade?

[GOBB]

No he's not. But whats the damn rush? Same thing I said last season when everyone was jockriding Durant. Relax, he's young and has plenty of time to be at the top. Then we'll have new talent we'll compare them too. "Is player X on the same level as Durant? Rose?".

Everyone is itching to crown people so fast. Pump breaks.

[EnoughSaid]

LOL...

He is passed Wade's "level" and has been for months now.

:roll: You can sit here and tell me that Rose has been better than Wade the whole season?

[ReturnofJPR]

:roll: You can sit here and tell me that Rose has been better than Wade the whole season?


I said it. ESPN has said it:

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insider/news/story?id=6178194

So STFU now.

I got links, you got empty pockets. That's all you got.

Wade:


http://usa.goooh.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/broke-pockets-2.jpg

[whoartthou]

rose on dwades level... :lol :lol :lol :roll: :roll:

[ReturnofJPR]

Wade is a fugazi azz HERPES filled punk who despite his cash flow is continuing the black stereotype of bringing up his own black children in a broken family. Wade cares about nobody but himself. The dumbass does the cabbage patch while his team loses the game. He's a fugazi azz punk. I would love to beat his ass. I'm street, he's soft. I got his.

On a very serious note, Wade half-asses it. He doesn't try half of the time. He takes plays off and he only plays defense half of the time. He is a HERPES lipped fool who doesn't give 100%. Screw him!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pa9BkcW1ebw

And after that...they lose! They lose!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDW0ZnZxjn4

[Heat007]

Let me know when Rose is about 30 spots below him here and "he shows it year to year".

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/per_career.html


Then I'll say he's getting close to Wade's level.

[EnoughSaid]

Wade is a fugazi azz HERPES filled punk who despite his cash flow is continuing the black stereotype of bringing up his own black children in a broken family. Wade cares about nobody but himself. The dumbass does the cabbage patch while his team loses the game. He's a fugazi azz punk. I would love to beat his ass. I'm street, he's soft. I got his.

On a very serious note, Wade half-asses it. He doesn't try half of the time. He takes plays off and he only plays defense half of the time. He is a HERPES lipped fool who doesn't give 100%. Screw him!

:roll: When Rose gets back to back 40 point games, one of them being over 70% shooting, come and talk to me.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wadedw01/gamelog/2011/

http://otrsportsonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Dwyane-Wade.jpg

[ReturnofJPR]

Shaq won the HEAT a ring, Wade is overrated.

It doesn't matter what bandwagon fans like Heat006 have to say, ESPN has already ruled and ESPN says:

Rose >>> Wade


:pimp:

[EnoughSaid]

Shaq won the HEAT a ring, Wade is overrated.

It doesn't matter what bandwagon fans like Heat006 have to say, ESPN has already ruled and ESPN says:

Rose >>> Wade


:pimp:

ESPN? Really nikka? I'm done with you troll, have a good night.

[ReturnofJPR]

And what is up with Wade's weird ass f*cking face? He has the cheeks of someone who has been eating out Oprah Winfrey on a consistent basis and now has a yeast infection of the face.

That is Wade.

Wade = Yeast Infection of the Face

[kaiiu]

And what is up with Wade's weird ass f*cking face? He has the cheeks of someone who has been eating out Oprah Winfrey on a consistent basis and now has a yeast infection of the face.

That is Wade.

Wade = Yeast Infection of the Face
Lol my ni99a got them Quagmire jaws

[ReturnofJPR]

Lol my ni99a got them Quagmire jaws

Something ain't right with him. He got herpes of the lip and yeast infection of the jaw. That's Wade. A Fugazi azz ni99a. Rose is real. He's got a trill family.

[Heat007]

Let me know when the kid can go a month averaging 37 points on 56% shooting, 11 assists, 6 boards, 3 steals and 1 and a half blocks.

Not even Jordan had that all around game with such efficiency in a month. Not kobe or Lebron either


http://i1111.photobucket.com/albums/h467/Catrean/wade2.jpg


Good luck.

[whoartthou]

Let me know when the kid can go a month averaging 37 points on 56% shooting, 11 assists, 6 boards, 3 steals and 1 and a half blocks.

Not even Jordan had that all around game with such efficiency in a month. Not kobe or Lebron either


http://i1111.photobucket.com/albums/h467/Catrean/wade2.jpg


Good luck.
:bowdown:

[ReturnofJPR]

Heat, hey you cracka! ESPN already ruled, check it out:

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insider/news/story?id=6178194

Derrick Rose is better, :applause:

PS: Leave it to a dumbass bandwagon ni99a to quote 2009. We in 2011, biotch!!!

[TrueRob]

D-Wade is an MVP caliber talent just like LeBron. D-Rose is a 2nd option caliber talent like Russell Westbrook.

[Heat007]

And right now Rose isn't even good enough to be ranked 40 spots below these guys as his defense is quite average. Rose has been between below average to average all year in defensive synergy overall.

Meanwhile Wade has been an elite isolation defender on Jordan's level. He has had multiple seasons holding his matchups to 26-28% shooting... only Jordan was able to do that in multiple seasons. And Wade is the ALL TIME leader for guards in NBA history for blocks per game.

ISOLATION
POSS PTS/POSS FG% AGST TO% AGST
D. Wade 130 0.71 PTS 28.3 FG% 9.2 TO%
T. Sefolosha 248 0.79 PTS 36.8 FG% 11.3 TO%
G. Hill 193 0.83 PTS 41.1 FG% 8.8 TO%
R. Artest 186 0.66 PTS 29.6 FG% 12.4 TO%
L. James 146 0.60 PTS 30.8 FG% 17.8 TO%
K. Bryant 161 0.79 PTS 36.6 FG% 11.8 TO%
K. Hinrich 160 0.87 PTS 41.4 FG% 9.4 TO%
B. Rush 160 0.83 PTS 39.3 FG% 13.1 TO%
A. Afflalo 155 0.89 PTS 36.2 FG% 11.6 TO%
S. Battier 151 0.82 PTS 36.2 FG% 6.0 TO%
L. M-a Moute 139 0.78 PTS 38.2 FG% 13.7 TO%

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PICK & ROLL ON-BALL HANDLER
POSS PTS/POSS FG% AGST TO% AGST
K. Hinrich 242 0.85 PTS 44.5 FG% 16.9 TO%
T. Sefolosha 214 0.82 PTS 39.5 FG% 14.5 TO%
D. Wade 146 0.70 PTS 38.9 FG% 24.7 TO%
K. Bryant 207 0.76 PTS 35.8 FG% 12.1 TO%
R. Artest 195 0.76 PTS 37.5 FG% 20.0 TO%
B. Rush 194 0.70 PTS 32.8 FG% 18.0 TO%
A. Afflalo 170 0.66 PTS 33.3 FG% 22.4 TO%
L. James 142 0.82 PTS 37.3 FG% 7.7 TO%
G. Hill 132 0.87 PTS 41.4 FG% 12.9 TO%
S. Battier 127 0.80 PTS 44.2 FG% 18.9 TO%
L. M-a Moute 85 0.71 PTS 35.5 FG% 16.5 TO%

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POST-UP
POSS PTS/POSS FG% AGST TO% AGST
L. M-a Moute 115 0.90 PTS 47.7 FG% 15.7 TO%
S. Battier 101 0.96 PTS 44.3 FG% 3.0 TO%
K. Hinrich 96 0.97 PTS 51.3 FG% 10.4 TO%
A. Afflalo 88 0.84 PTS 38.6 FG% 8.0 TO%
T. Sefolosha 84 1.00 PTS 50.8 FG% 11.9 TO%
G. Hill 83 0.87 PTS 43.1 FG% 9.6 TO%
R. Artest 73 0.86 PTS 44.1 FG% 12.3 TO%
B. Rush 56 0.70 PTS 31.9 FG% 7.1 TO%
K. Bryant 49 0.71 PTS 37.8 FG% 14.3 TO%
D. Wade 45 0.96 PTS 48.7 FG% 8.9 TO%
L. James 43 0.86 PTS 48.4 FG% 18.6 TO%

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PICK & ROLL ON-ROLL MAN
POSS PTS/POSS FG% AGST TO% AGST
D. Wade 16 0.38 PTS 18.2 FG% 25.0 TO%
L. M-a Moute 27 0.63 PTS 34.8 FG% 11.1 TO%
S. Battier 24 1.13 PTS 55.0 FG% 12.5 TO%
G. Hill 23 0.78 PTS 36.8 FG% 8.7 TO%
R. Artest 16 0.94 PTS 42.9 FG% 12.5 TO%
L. James 16 0.44 PTS 20.0 FG% 6.3 TO%
K. Bryant 13 1.15 PTS 54.5 FG% 7.7 TO%
T. Sefolosha 9 0.44 PTS 22.2 FG% 0.0 TO%
K. Hinrich 9 1.67 PTS 100.0 FG% 33.0 TO%
A. Afflalo 8 0.88 PTS 28.6 FG% 0.0 TO%
B. Rush 5 0.00 PTS 0.0 FG% 40.0 TO%

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SPOT-UP
POSS PTS/POSS FG% AGST TO% AGST
K. Bryant 393 0.94 PTS 36.7 FG% 4.8 TO%
D. Wade 328 0.92 PTS 36.0 FG% 5.8 TO%
R. Artest 290 0.88 PTS 35.8 FG% 5.5 TO%
L. James 273 1.00 PTS 40.6 FG% 4.0 TO%
G. Hill 260 1.05 PTS 41.7 FG% 5.4 TO%
B. Rush 213 0.96 PTS 37.9 FG% 5.6 TO%
T. Sefolosha 254 1.00 PTS 37.3 FG% 4.7 TO%
K. Hinrich 238 0.93 PTS 33.6 FG% 2.1 TO%
S. Battier 234 0.90 PTS 38.8 FG% 7.3 TO%
L. M-a Moute 199 0.94 PTS 42.0 FG% 9.5 TO%
A. Afflalo 185 0.84 PTS 31.8 FG% 4.3 TO%

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OFF-SCREEN
POSS PTS/POSS FG% AGST TO% AGST
R. Artest 128 0.80 PTS 38.1 FG% 7.9 TO%
B. Rush 102 0.78 PTS 33.0 FG% 2.9 TO%
D. Wade 94 0.96 PTS 44.2 FG% 7.4 TO%
S. Battier 90 0.96 PTS 39.2 FG% 5.6 TO%
A. Afflalo 87 0.80 PTS 33.8 FG% 4.6 TO%
K. Bryant 83 0.98 PTS 41.9 FG% 4.8 TO%
T. Sefolosha 77 0.81 PTS 34.3 FG% 5.2 TO%
K. Hinrich 73 0.90 PTS 39.1 FG% 5.5 TO%
L. James 67 1.03 PTS 45.8 FG% 4.5 TO%
G. Hill 59 0.97 PTS 42.3 FG% 3.4 TO%
L. M-a Moute 46 0.83 PTS 40.0 FG% 6.5 TO%

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HAND-OFF
POSS PTS/POSS FG% AGST TO% AGST
D. Wade 42 0.74 PTS 36.7 FG% 19.0 TO%
L. James 40 0.55 PTS 28.6 FG% 10.0 TO%
R. Artest 61 0.90 PTS 40.9 FG% 11.5 TO%
K. Bryant 45 1.02 PTS 43.9 FG% 4.4 TO%
B. Rush 44 0.70 PTS 33.0 FG% 9.1 TO%
T. Sefolosha 44 0.93 PTS 45.7 FG% 13.6 TO%
S. Battier 43 0.91 PTS 36.1 FG% 2.3 TO%
A. Afflalo 38 0.89 PTS 37.9 FG% 15.8 TO%
K. Hinrich 38 0.79 PTS 35.5 FG% 10.5 TO%
G. Hill 33 0.91 PTS 40.0 FG% 3.0 TO%
L. M-a Moute 19 1.00 PTS 42.9 FG% 10.5 TO%

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OVERALL
POSS PTS/POSS FG% AGST TO% AGST
T. Sefolosha 1097 0.91 PTS 41.1 FG% 9.2 TO%
D. Wade 805 0.83 PTS 36.8 FG% 11.2 TO%
R. Artest 1000 0.80 PTS 36.4 FG% 11.0 TO%
L. James 727 0.84 PTS 38.0 FG% 8.8 TO%
K. Bryant 954 0.86 PTS 37.2 FG% 8.1 TO%
B. Rush 950 0.83 PTS 37.3 FG% 9.5 TO%
L. M-a Moute 969 0.86 PTS 42.0 FG% 11.9 TO%
A. Afflalo 913 0.87 PTS 38.0 FG% 9.7 TO%
S. Battier 870 0.89 PTS 40.3 FG% 8.2 TO%
K. Hinrich 861 0.89 PTS 40.9 FG% 9.5 TO%
G. Hill 787 0.92 PTS 41.5 FG% 7.8 TO%


Rose isn't close to the All-around player Wade has proven to be. He's having a nice season, and good for him. But give it up.


Just.Give.It.Up

[jrong]

Heat, hey you cracka! ESPN already ruled, check it out:

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insider/news/story?id=6178194

Derrick Rose is better, :applause:

PS: Leave it to a dumbass bandwagon ni99a to quote 2009. We in 2011, biotch!!!

That is the worst comparison-article I have ever read. I don't care which player you think is better, journalistically, that is an atrocious selection. I couldn't even begin to assess the arguments because I couldn't get past what a piss-poor piece of writing it is. The writer in essence arbitrarily picked three aspects of the game and used them to make a comprehensive player comparison. But, if you are going to make a comprehensive comparison of two players, you have to compare them in all aspects of the game, not just a few categories that you choose randomly.

[imdaman99]

That is the worst comparison-article I have ever read. I don't care which player you think is better, journalistically, that is an atrocious selection. I couldn't even begin to assess the arguments because I couldn't get past what a piss-poor piece of writing it is. The writer in essence arbitrarily picked three aspects of the game and used them to make a comprehensive player comparison. But, if you are going to make a comprehensive comparison of two players, you have to compare them in all aspects of the game, not just a few categories that you choose randomly.
Once again ESPN overrates Rose. They've already crowned him MVP guys.

How can anyone dispute the great world of ESPN :oldlol:

[JChurches]

Heat, hey you cracka! ESPN already ruled, check it out:

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insider/news/story?id=6178194

Derrick Rose is better, :applause:

PS: Leave it to a dumbass bandwagon ni99a to quote 2009. We in 2011, biotch!!!

What are the odds you are white, a virgin, and live with your parents?

[Go Getter]

Rose: 25/8/4/54% TS/23 PER
Wade:26/7/4/57%/25 PER

Wade is still superior in the clutch and is a better finisher/slasher. Rose is the better shooter and shot-creator.


Pretty close, but Wade is still the clear winner. Far better play-off performer right now.
Now compare both players at 22.

[PurpleChuck]

Heat007 way to go.:applause: :applause: :cheers:

[Christofire]

And right now Rose isn't even good enough to be ranked 40 spots below these guys as his defense is quite average. Rose has been between below average to average all year in defensive synergy overall.

Meanwhile Wade has been an elite isolation defender on Jordan's level. He has had multiple seasons holding his matchups to 26-28% shooting... only Jordan was able to do that in multiple seasons. And Wade is the ALL TIME leader for guards in NBA history for blocks per game.

ISOLATION
POSS PTS/POSS FG% AGST TO% AGST
D. Wade 130 0.71 PTS 28.3 FG% 9.2 TO%
T. Sefolosha 248 0.79 PTS 36.8 FG% 11.3 TO%
G. Hill 193 0.83 PTS 41.1 FG% 8.8 TO%
R. Artest 186 0.66 PTS 29.6 FG% 12.4 TO%
L. James 146 0.60 PTS 30.8 FG% 17.8 TO%
K. Bryant 161 0.79 PTS 36.6 FG% 11.8 TO%
K. Hinrich 160 0.87 PTS 41.4 FG% 9.4 TO%
B. Rush 160 0.83 PTS 39.3 FG% 13.1 TO%
A. Afflalo 155 0.89 PTS 36.2 FG% 11.6 TO%
S. Battier 151 0.82 PTS 36.2 FG% 6.0 TO%
L. M-a Moute 139 0.78 PTS 38.2 FG% 13.7 TO%

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PICK & ROLL ON-BALL HANDLER
POSS PTS/POSS FG% AGST TO% AGST
K. Hinrich 242 0.85 PTS 44.5 FG% 16.9 TO%
T. Sefolosha 214 0.82 PTS 39.5 FG% 14.5 TO%
D. Wade 146 0.70 PTS 38.9 FG% 24.7 TO%
K. Bryant 207 0.76 PTS 35.8 FG% 12.1 TO%
R. Artest 195 0.76 PTS 37.5 FG% 20.0 TO%
B. Rush 194 0.70 PTS 32.8 FG% 18.0 TO%
A. Afflalo 170 0.66 PTS 33.3 FG% 22.4 TO%
L. James 142 0.82 PTS 37.3 FG% 7.7 TO%
G. Hill 132 0.87 PTS 41.4 FG% 12.9 TO%
S. Battier 127 0.80 PTS 44.2 FG% 18.9 TO%
L. M-a Moute 85 0.71 PTS 35.5 FG% 16.5 TO%

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POST-UP
POSS PTS/POSS FG% AGST TO% AGST
L. M-a Moute 115 0.90 PTS 47.7 FG% 15.7 TO%
S. Battier 101 0.96 PTS 44.3 FG% 3.0 TO%
K. Hinrich 96 0.97 PTS 51.3 FG% 10.4 TO%
A. Afflalo 88 0.84 PTS 38.6 FG% 8.0 TO%
T. Sefolosha 84 1.00 PTS 50.8 FG% 11.9 TO%
G. Hill 83 0.87 PTS 43.1 FG% 9.6 TO%
R. Artest 73 0.86 PTS 44.1 FG% 12.3 TO%
B. Rush 56 0.70 PTS 31.9 FG% 7.1 TO%
K. Bryant 49 0.71 PTS 37.8 FG% 14.3 TO%
D. Wade 45 0.96 PTS 48.7 FG% 8.9 TO%
L. James 43 0.86 PTS 48.4 FG% 18.6 TO%

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PICK & ROLL ON-ROLL MAN
POSS PTS/POSS FG% AGST TO% AGST
D. Wade 16 0.38 PTS 18.2 FG% 25.0 TO%
L. M-a Moute 27 0.63 PTS 34.8 FG% 11.1 TO%
S. Battier 24 1.13 PTS 55.0 FG% 12.5 TO%
G. Hill 23 0.78 PTS 36.8 FG% 8.7 TO%
R. Artest 16 0.94 PTS 42.9 FG% 12.5 TO%
L. James 16 0.44 PTS 20.0 FG% 6.3 TO%
K. Bryant 13 1.15 PTS 54.5 FG% 7.7 TO%
T. Sefolosha 9 0.44 PTS 22.2 FG% 0.0 TO%
K. Hinrich 9 1.67 PTS 100.0 FG% 33.0 TO%
A. Afflalo 8 0.88 PTS 28.6 FG% 0.0 TO%
B. Rush 5 0.00 PTS 0.0 FG% 40.0 TO%

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SPOT-UP
POSS PTS/POSS FG% AGST TO% AGST
K. Bryant 393 0.94 PTS 36.7 FG% 4.8 TO%
D. Wade 328 0.92 PTS 36.0 FG% 5.8 TO%
R. Artest 290 0.88 PTS 35.8 FG% 5.5 TO%
L. James 273 1.00 PTS 40.6 FG% 4.0 TO%
G. Hill 260 1.05 PTS 41.7 FG% 5.4 TO%
B. Rush 213 0.96 PTS 37.9 FG% 5.6 TO%
T. Sefolosha 254 1.00 PTS 37.3 FG% 4.7 TO%
K. Hinrich 238 0.93 PTS 33.6 FG% 2.1 TO%
S. Battier 234 0.90 PTS 38.8 FG% 7.3 TO%
L. M-a Moute 199 0.94 PTS 42.0 FG% 9.5 TO%
A. Afflalo 185 0.84 PTS 31.8 FG% 4.3 TO%

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OFF-SCREEN
POSS PTS/POSS FG% AGST TO% AGST
R. Artest 128 0.80 PTS 38.1 FG% 7.9 TO%
B. Rush 102 0.78 PTS 33.0 FG% 2.9 TO%
D. Wade 94 0.96 PTS 44.2 FG% 7.4 TO%
S. Battier 90 0.96 PTS 39.2 FG% 5.6 TO%
A. Afflalo 87 0.80 PTS 33.8 FG% 4.6 TO%
K. Bryant 83 0.98 PTS 41.9 FG% 4.8 TO%
T. Sefolosha 77 0.81 PTS 34.3 FG% 5.2 TO%
K. Hinrich 73 0.90 PTS 39.1 FG% 5.5 TO%
L. James 67 1.03 PTS 45.8 FG% 4.5 TO%
G. Hill 59 0.97 PTS 42.3 FG% 3.4 TO%
L. M-a Moute 46 0.83 PTS 40.0 FG% 6.5 TO%

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HAND-OFF
POSS PTS/POSS FG% AGST TO% AGST
D. Wade 42 0.74 PTS 36.7 FG% 19.0 TO%
L. James 40 0.55 PTS 28.6 FG% 10.0 TO%
R. Artest 61 0.90 PTS 40.9 FG% 11.5 TO%
K. Bryant 45 1.02 PTS 43.9 FG% 4.4 TO%
B. Rush 44 0.70 PTS 33.0 FG% 9.1 TO%
T. Sefolosha 44 0.93 PTS 45.7 FG% 13.6 TO%
S. Battier 43 0.91 PTS 36.1 FG% 2.3 TO%
A. Afflalo 38 0.89 PTS 37.9 FG% 15.8 TO%
K. Hinrich 38 0.79 PTS 35.5 FG% 10.5 TO%
G. Hill 33 0.91 PTS 40.0 FG% 3.0 TO%
L. M-a Moute 19 1.00 PTS 42.9 FG% 10.5 TO%

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OVERALL
POSS PTS/POSS FG% AGST TO% AGST
T. Sefolosha 1097 0.91 PTS 41.1 FG% 9.2 TO%
D. Wade 805 0.83 PTS 36.8 FG% 11.2 TO%
R. Artest 1000 0.80 PTS 36.4 FG% 11.0 TO%
L. James 727 0.84 PTS 38.0 FG% 8.8 TO%
K. Bryant 954 0.86 PTS 37.2 FG% 8.1 TO%
B. Rush 950 0.83 PTS 37.3 FG% 9.5 TO%
L. M-a Moute 969 0.86 PTS 42.0 FG% 11.9 TO%
A. Afflalo 913 0.87 PTS 38.0 FG% 9.7 TO%
S. Battier 870 0.89 PTS 40.3 FG% 8.2 TO%
K. Hinrich 861 0.89 PTS 40.9 FG% 9.5 TO%
G. Hill 787 0.92 PTS 41.5 FG% 7.8 TO%


Rose isn't close to the All-around player Wade has proven to be. He's having a nice season, and good for him. But give it up.


Just.Give.It.Up

great metrics... if i read them correctly james seems to the worst defender of the 3. What is also impressive is that Kobe bryant has'nt played Kobe defense in the regular season since the lakers got gasol and still has impressive defensive statistics. When james and wade accumulate the mileage on their bodies that kobe has i want to see what their defensive statistics look like. But this proves my point that i've been preaching to people that wade has always been a better defensive player than Leron James, and at this point in their careers they are both better than bryant , atleast in the regular season. Kobe's defense in the post season is always great

[Heat007]

great metrics... if i read them correctly james seems to the worst defender of the 3. What is also impressive is that Kobe bryant has'nt played Kobe defense in the regular season since the lakers got gasol and still has impressive defensive statistics. When james and wade accumulate the mileage on their bodies that kobe has i want to see what their defensive statistics look like. But this proves my point that i've been preaching to people that wade has always been a better defensive player than Leron James, and at this point in their careers they are both better than bryant , atleast in the regular season. Kobe's defense in the post season is always great

That's from last year not this year. Where I get it from now I can't copy and paste it. Both Kobe and Wade are not having the same defensive years as last year. But Wade is ahead even though he has been relaxing more on D. He's ahead of kobe there last year this season and actually improved in other areas. It seems like whenever he plays a superstar he picks up his game two notches so it's obvious he's saving himself for the playoffs.

But Wade had 3 seasons that Kobe never had for defensive synergy overall if you want to go back over the years since Wade has been in the league. In 3 years he's had better defensive seasons than Kobe ever had - Kobe couldn't duplicate it in any of his seasons what Wade did THREE times in 3 seasons.. The fact that Wade gets those 2nd team all defenses is a sham. He deserved quite a few All defensive 1st team selections.

Rose this year still isn't in their ballpark as his overall defensive synergy is quite low for a guard. He's just slightly below average overall. And for PG's is average..

[donald_trump]

Now compare both players at 22.

rose is better than jordan if were going by that route. how about comparing 3rd year against 3rd year? exactly... shut up now.

[Heat007]

Wade made all defense in his 2nd year in 2004/2005. It's not like he used his reputation as a player to gain that selection as he was so new into the league.

He was naturally a great defender from the beginning of his career.

[VeeCee15]

Wade is only a bit taller than Rose but he is hella longer..Wade can play like a 6'7/6'8 player because of his extremely long arms. Rose does not have super long arms like wade.

Rose is faster and more athletic

but wade seems more smooth, is bigger, can slash better etc

[Christofire]

That's from last year not this year. Where I get it from now I can't copy and paste it. Both Kobe and Wade are not having the same defensive years as last year. But Wade is ahead even though he has been relaxing more on D. He's ahead of kobe there last year this season and actually improved in other areas. It seems like whenever he plays a superstar he picks up his game two notches so it's obvious he's saving himself for the playoffs.

But Wade had 3 seasons that Kobe never had for defensive synergy overall if you want to go back over the years since Wade has been in the league. In 3 years he's had better defensive seasons than Kobe ever had - Kobe couldn't duplicate it in any of his seasons what Wade did THREE times in 3 seasons.. The fact that Wade gets those 2nd team all defenses is a sham. He deserved quite a few All defensive 1st team selections.

Rose this year still isn't in their ballpark as his overall defensive synergy is quite low for a guard. He's just slightly below average overall. And for PG's is average..

he should've been on the past 2 seasons for sure. The All defense list have always been garbage thoug...i dont care about those. However I thought that i was the biggest Wade fan, but i stand corrected you sir are won mean wade fan.

What Bothers me most is how Wade is always left out of these discussions especially since he's done more in his career at this point than leBron has when he's been the better player as well. The media is so biased it's ridiculous. What wade does with his 6'4 from is nothing short of remarkable. He's alwyas been better than James, but triple doubles are all people care about i guess

[Go Getter]

rose is better than jordan if were going by that route. how about comparing 3rd year against 3rd year? exactly... shut up now.
Lol@ Rose being better than Jordan ever.

Rose is 22 and we're comparing him to a seasoned vet; bonafide superstar.

No matter what I or any Rose fans say he's still an up and coming star who needs more seasoning.

Wade is clearly better and on another level because not only does he have the stats and highlights he has a defining moment where he stepped up to become a champ.

That's my 2 cents.

[Heat007]

I really like Rose. But I think what limits him as a penetrator is a combination of his small hands and lack of strength. This is where Wade is superior as he blends great power to his drives at the rim with his elite athleticism and finishing ability.

Rose can't palm the ball well with those small hands so he has to dunk with both hands 99% of the time. Wade routinely can dunk over and through 7 footers.. Dunking in their face and powering through them because he is a lot stronger, but also he can palm a ball as he has much bigger hands (to go with his much longer arms)

Rose gets blocked 8% of the time by the rim compared to Wade's 4%. Wade is just more efficient because he brings a more well rounded arsenal to the table when attacking the rim.

Rose gets blocked more because defenders know he's limited in that way as not being able to dunk with one hand consistently really limits a players angles. They can shield and defend better cutting off his angles by the rim knowing Rose is not going to plow through them and can't dunk with one hand consistently.

This is also why Wade is much better at drawing fouls. He's Top 5 alltime for drawing most fouls per game, in the company of Wilt Chamberlain, Jerry West and Shaq. Wade is basically tied with Shaq for 4th all time in drawing most fouls per game in a career - 9.3 fouls per game avg.

[Dwade305]

Lol@ Rose being better than Jordan ever.

Rose is 22 and we're comparing him to a seasoned vet, bonafide superstar.

No matter what I or any Rose fans say he's still an up and coming star who needs more seasoning.

Wade is clearly better and on another level because not only does he have the stats and highlights he has a defining moment where he stepped up to become a champ.

That's my 2 cents.
:applause:

[Dengness9]

I really like Rose. But I think what limits him as a penetrator is a combination of his small hands and lack of strength. This is where Wade is superior as he blends great power to his drives at the rim with his elite athleticism and finishing ability.

Rose can't palm the ball well with those small hands so he has to dunk with both hands 99% of the time. Wade routinely can dunk over and through 7 footers.. Dunking in their face and powering through them because he is a lot stronger, but also he can palm a ball as he has much bigger hands (to go with his much longer arms)

Rose gets blocked 8% of the time by the rim compared to Wade's 4%. Wade is just more efficient because he brings a more well rounded arsenal to the table when attacking the rim.

Rose gets blocked more because defenders know he's limited in that way as not being able to dunk with one hand consistently really limits a players angles. They can shield and defend better cutting off his angles by the rim knowing Rose is not going to plow through them and can't dunk with one hand consistently.

This is also why Wade is much better at drawing fouls. He's Top 5 alltime for drawing most fouls per game, in the company of Wilt Chamberlain, Jerry West and Shaq. Wade is basically tied with Shaq for 4th all time in drawing most fouls per game in a career - 9.3 fouls per game avg.


Your reliance on stats and numbers is out of control.

And you make comments about Rose that are pure opinion, like talking about his hand size, arm length, and strength, then you throw stats out to try and prove things, especially that bogus 8% blocked at the rim stat. Blah blah blah.... Lebron had a trip dub last night against the Cavs and lost by double digits....see??? Stats arent everything and can be manipulated.

I'm doing my best to not come across in the wrong way, but you talk as if you have no idea that stats of any kind can be manipulated to "prove" things that are more opinion than fact.

I know one thing, Derrick Rose was strong enough last time the Bulls and Heat played in Miami for Rose to get sandwiched between Lebron and Wade and still made the layup.

All I'm really saying is don't come in here, like most threads, throw around a shitload of numbers, and act as if you know it all and everything you say is set in stone correct.

All I know is Rose doesn't carry himself as a premadonna cocky jackass like Wade or the other 2 chumps on the Heat. Derrick Rose may not be quite on Wade's level yet, but he is very close, 5-6 years younger, and will eventually surpass Wade.

Success has changed Wade into the last thing I thought he would ever be. A frontrunner. It's actually quite sad. He use to be a symbol of Chicago Ballers, now he is just a benedict Arnold who is only tied to Miami, cuz he sure as hell ain't from or reppin the Chi.

I strongly believe in karma, and it's
gonna rain down on the Heat eventually. These 3 Heat players are terrible role models for young kids growing up playin ball, and that's what the worst part about it is for me.

Kids growing up watching the Heat dancing, proclaiming greatness and 7-8 titles before they have won Jack shit. It's a terrible image for the league IMO. Yeah the Heat draw in alot of people that might not have been watching before, but those bums are the opposite of humble, and definitely don't carry themselves as professionals or winners. And you would think atleast Wade would do better at that since he, unlike Lefraud and lapdog Bosh, has actually won a title in the big league.

Maybe I just think that way cuz I'm from Chicago and we aren't into showboating in this city.

I thank God everyday now that Lebron nor Wade came to Chicago. I was once blinded into thinking they were good people. Their true colors have shown, and I couldn't be more thrilled Derrick Rose is leading the Bulls back to greatness. He's a real leader who absolutely symbolizes Chicagoans.

Wade and Lebron are good symbols for miami, a shitty sports town, filled with bandwagon fans who can't show up to a game on time to save their lives.

In the end, those premadonnas will get what is coming to them. Like I've said a thousand times by now, no matter how many titles the Heat win, if they even win any, those players will NEVER get the respect they crave. Never.

End rant/.

[LeFraud Shames]

Since when is being on Wade's level a big deal?

Sasha Vujacic has more rings, and is more clutch than Wade.

And yes, I'm talking about the infamous free throws he took.

Clutchest of all time. :bowdown:

[Papaya Petee]

I wouldn't even say Derrick Rose is on Wade's sophomore year level, never frigging mind prime level.

Compare Wade's 3rd season to Rose's 3rd season, and Rose looks silly in comparison.

[Heat007]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/per_career.html


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[B-Rich]

Heat, hey you cracka! ESPN already ruled, check it out:

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insider/news/story?id=6178194

Derrick Rose is better, :applause:

PS: Leave it to a dumbass bandwagon ni99a to quote 2009. We in 2011, biotch!!!
Derrick Rose is not better then Wade. His defense is not even as close to as good as Wade's, his shot selection, his driving ability, his likelihood to catch fire. Seriously, if Rose was on a team in James, he wouldn't even get 20 a game.

[XxSMSxX]

And of course this topic turns into a pissing match :banghead:

[Calabis]

I'm a Bulls fan, but damn you guys are killing me with the overhyping of Rose....don't get me wrong he's damn good, but let the guy play and develop a couple of more years, before comparing him to the leagues bonifide proven susperstars, ie Wade, Kobe, Lebron

[Dengness9]

I'm a Bulls fan, but damn you guys are killing me with the overhyping of Rose....don't get me wrong he's damn good, but let the guy play and develop a couple of more years, before comparing him to the leagues bonifide proven susperstars, ie Wade, Kobe, Lebron


It's only normal for any player who is about to win MVP to be compared to the other top players in the league.

I said Wade is better now, but of course he is. This is only Rose's 3rd year and he only went to college for 1 season.

The gap between these two isn't anywhere near as big as HEAT fans would ever admit. No suprise there.

[Dengness9]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/per_career.html


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End of thread my ass.


You ignored what I said about Dwade cuz it involves how much of a piece of shit he is character wise. You have nothing to say about it besides putting a link down that is all numbers.


That's all you are as a poster. Stats stats stats.

Start wearing that queer ass "check my $tat$ shirt Lebron wears.

All you do is hide behind numbers thinking they tell the whole story.

Hey man, keep ridin the bandwagon.

[KingBeasley08]

It's only normal for any player who is about to win MVP to be compared to the other top players in the league.

I said Wade is better now, but of course he is. This is only Rose's 3rd year and he only went to college for 1 season.

The gap between these two isn't anywhere near as big as HEAT fans would ever admit. No suprise there.
yea it is.

any fan will tell u that wade>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>rose. me for example

so GTFO

[FathosRgoodatBJ]

Rose is 22, right now Wade has a smoother more refined game. Rose has that Herky Jerky style similar to Lebron. This is going to sound crazy but in Rose's prime he will be putting up numbers of 30 and 15.

Look closer at the efficiency (+-) and how he can correct his game to be an "elite" scorer, he has a bright future in the fantasy league.

[Dengness9]

yea it is.

any fan will tell u that wade>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>rose. me for example

so GTFO


Says the guy with the KingBeasley name.....

How can I take you seriously when you were one of the same people that thought Beasley should be taken before Rose with the #1 pick when it couldn't have been more obvious Rose was leaps and bounds better than B-EZ????

I'm not too concerned with your talent evaluation.

Now "GTFO"

[Bigsmoke]

comparing someone in his 3rd season to someones who's at the peak of his career. :rolleyes:

[Eat Like A Bosh]

Not yet. But at 22 verses Wade (29), his ceiling is much higher. He has shown to improve on the areas where he's lacking.

[Papaya Petee]

comparing someone in his 3rd season to someones who's at the peak of his career. :rolleyes:
Fair.

Wade's third year >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rose's third year.

[Papaya Petee]

Not yet. But at 22 verses Wade (29), his ceiling is much higher. He has shown to improve on the areas where he's lacking.
Really? Because to be honest players don't continue to keep improving. Kobe hasn't been any better since 2002-2003, LeBron hasn't been any better since 2005-2006, same with Wade.

Rose's numbers will not really improve from now on. People thinking he will come close to averaging 30\8\5\2\1 on 49% like Wade did are insane. Rose is scoring 25 PPG and he's shooting a poor 44%

[rodman91]

Not yet but he is much younger than Wade. Still, i dont think he will be as good as Wade.He might have better career though.

[FathosRgoodatBJ]

I'll bookmark this thread and be back after the season. If the Bulls win the Championship this year, this thread will be forgotten.

[Jacks3]

This is going to sound crazy but in Rose's prime he will be putting up numbers of 30 and 15.


:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Bigsmoke]

Fair.

Wade's third year >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rose's third year.

Rose right now is as old as Wade was as a rookie though.

[FathosRgoodatBJ]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

News flash, D Rose will probably be your MVP this year, and what monkey on this planet would have predicted that in the beginning of the season, jokes on you.

[rodman91]

I'm a Bulls fan, but damn you guys are killing me with the overhyping of Rose....don't get me wrong he's damn good, but let the guy play and develop a couple of more years, before comparing him to the leagues bonifide proven susperstars, ie Wade, Kobe, Lebron

Couldn't agree more.:cheers:

[Heat007]

Wade's 1st year in 03/04- As a rookie he took his team to the 2nd round of the playoffs and almost beat the 1st seed who had the best record in the NBA. Wade led his team in pts, FG%. assists etc in the playoffs , with many clutch moments. The Heat were basically a lottery team that year but they had a winning record with the rookie sensation Dwyane Wade. Wade missed 21 games that season and the team was 8-13 in those games.

Kobe had 3 of those Heat starters in 04/05 on his Laker team, those 3 players were more experienced by then, and with Kobe they had a horrible record. Kobe missed 16 games that year and with Kobe healthy they went 27-38.

Wade's 2nd year in 04/05 - a Fantastic playoff run for a 2nd year player. Was fantastic on both sides of the court with an all-around mature game that is the best reminder we've ever seen of Jordan in the playoffs. The 04 Pistons trounced the Lakers in the 04 Finals beating them in 5 and blowing them out in 3 games. Wade's Heat were up 3 games to 2 on the Pistons when Wade got injured late and deep into the 05 playoffs. If Wade doesn't get injured the Heat win the title that year.

Wade made an NBA ALL-DEFENSE team in 05 in just his 2nd year. Always been a spectacular playoff performer and Wade is Top 10 ALL-TIME in NBA History for career playoff PER.

Wade's 3rd year in 05/06 - a scintillating playoff run for the ages. Tied records in a playoff series for steals, and was all over the court with efficiency and an all-around mature game for a guard that we have never seen in the playoffs (sans Jordan). He shot an astonishing 62% against the Pistons defense in the conference finals, with the Pistons being the #1 ranked defense that year with the best record in the NBA (64 wins and their franchise best). And made that great Pistons D look silly. He followed it up with the best Finals performance in history against the 2nd ranked defense in the Western conference.


http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2008/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=FinalsPerformances-1


Wade's first 3 seasons >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. Rose first 3 seasons

[Rnbizzle]

No, not yet. And I'm a big D-Rose fan.

[ThaSwagg3r]

No he isn't. I would have to say Wade in 04-05 was better than Rose today.

[Day La Ghetto]

derrick is about as good as when wade played in 07. besides free throws and 3pt shooting wade is a level above him in everything. wade could score 28- 30 a night on 50% for 3 or 4 more years if he didnt have lebron. cant envision rose ever doing that

[Rnbizzle]

derrick is about as good as when wade played in 07. besides free throws and 3pt shooting wade is a level above him in everything. wade could score 28- 30 a night on 50% for 3 or 4 more years if he didnt have lebron. cant envision rose ever doing that

Ever? :facepalm Look at the improvement the dude has been making, you're an idiot if you say such things..

[pauk]

see what i mean with rose is overrated?

here we have this shotjacking "pg" who aint even any better than russell westbrook being compared to freakin DWYANE WADE...............

[Ikill]

Ever? :facepalm Look at the improvement the dude has been making, you're an idiot if you say such things..
players barley improve after their breakout year Rose isn't going to get much better

[Papaya Petee]

Rose right now is as old as Wade was as a rookie though.
Okay? It's about years of NBA experience. Rose could of stayed in college longer too nobody stopped him.

[KingBeasley08]

Says the guy with the KingBeasley name.....

How can I take you seriously when you were one of the same people that thought Beasley should be taken before Rose with the #1 pick when it couldn't have been more obvious Rose was leaps and bounds better than B-EZ????

I'm not too concerned with your talent evaluation.

Now "GTFO"
:rolleyes: thread has nothing to do with beasley
Hey look! His name is Dengness! ur probably one of those f@gs that thought he should be picked over dwight

truth is that i knew rose was the first pick. this n*ggahs tryna talk trash :oldlol:

[Calabis]

It's only normal for any player who is about to win MVP to be compared to the other top players in the league.

I said Wade is better now, but of course he is. This is only Rose's 3rd year and he only went to college for 1 season.

The gap between these two isn't anywhere near as big as HEAT fans would ever admit. No suprise there.

Well if u want to compare him to Wade at the similar age and seasons played..... yes, but he is not on Wade's level...is it this huge gap, yes to me it is, because until he proves he can sustain this level of play(which I believe he will and get better), season after season he shouldnt be put on that pedestal yet.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Reading this thread makes me remember how overrated Rose was in 2011.

[TheCorporation]

When I watch Rose this year, he seems almost exactly like a shorter version of Dwyane Wade. Their slashing abilities are pretty equal imo

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[WayOfWade]

If only Rose weren't a mental midget.

[AintNoSunshine]

similar physical gift, but I just thought the game comes to Wade more naturally, if that make any sense to someone else

[poido123]

see what i mean with rose is overrated?

here we have this shotjacking "pg" who aint even any better than russell westbrook being compared to freakin DWYANE WADE...............


Will bump this thread when Rose comes back and dominates.

You guys have had your fun now, it's time to pay the price for all the hating :pimp:

[secund2nun]

Rose is better than prime Shaq. The way he wills Chicago to wins is just amazing. He forms the backbone of their insane defense and rebounding. His scoring is even more efficient than Durant's scoring.

[b1imtf]

Rose is better than prime Shaq. The way he wills Chicago to wins is just amazing. He forms the backbone of their insane defense and rebounding. His scoring is even more efficient than Durant's scoring.
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