ESPN Interview Robert Horry-"Michael Jordan Is Far The Best Basketball Player"

[Round Mound]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09sCTRPLiBM

[B]Robert Horry mentions what i`ve always said. "Jordan`s Whole Body Strenght" was SF/PF like. Except he was faster and quicker than almost all shorter than him 6`1, 6`2 and 6

[jstern]

I've seen that clip a couple of times, and every time that I saw it makes wonder how great it would be for me to call someone who's 6'6" a little guy.

From what I've read it's an actual term for guys who are 6'6" by bigger players.

[KG5MVP]

And this is news how?

[Bogus_Sting]

I think what Round Mound is trying to allude to is that as somone who played against Jordan and Lebron and also played with Kobe, he is a primary source to make assesment on them all.

He believes that MJ is the best player, by far.

However it seem he knows nothing and all the 12 year old Laker and Heat fans that come on here and post the same threads about Lebron and Kobe being better than Jordan know far, far more than Horry because Jordan is an overated loser that put up to many shots.

[jstern]

And this is news how?
An interesting observation is that when an obscure basketball related person says Kobe is better than Jordan, it turns into a multiple page thread, with fanboys taking it as absolute proof, and the Jordan people disproving them. But yeah, when a player that has played with Kobe says Jordan it the GOAT, nobody cares, because it's not news. The sky is blue. It's like when someone in the media says something absurd, like **** Haiti, it gets a lot, lot of people talking.

Even in my 1st post, I couldn't care less that Horry said that, I was more focus on their height. He posted that almost 2 hours ago, and only 3 posts.

[MayCeltics]

Jordan head and shoulders the greatest followed by Larry Bird, Jerry West, Oscar, Elgin, Hondo, Lebron, and Kobe wing players

[Micku]

He also said Hakeem is better than Shaq and Duncan! :eek:

Saying who is the best is subjective. You can probably bring up arguments to support you claim to say who has the better case in the argument, but it is mainly subjective on the final conclusion.

[KB2clutch]

i should value a scrubs opinion because...

[Bogus_Sting]

He also said Hakeem is better than Shaq and Duncan! :eek:

Saying who is the best is subjective. You can probably bring up arguments to support you claim to say who has the better case in the argument, but it is mainly subjective on the final conclusion.

I honestly think, and still do. Hakeem could play guard. His game was so complete. He did play wing a bit in the 96 Olympics. That was a thing of beauty.

Of all players that could dominate out of their own era, it would be him. He was so dynamic. I love Dwight, but Dream would school his ass.

[Bogus_Sting]

i should value a scrubs opinion because...

........ its of more value than your own....

[midatlantic09]

How is this news? Anyone with half a brain knows MJ is the best player ever.

[MayCeltics]

i should value a scrubs opinion because...

:facepalm
ungrateful b*tch

[Leviathon1121]

i should value a scrubs opinion because...

Hi there Mr. Hypocrite!

[SkyR#1fanCapCou]

i should value a scrubs opinion because...
OK, shall we ask your GOAT who he thinks the GOAT is?
:D

[Crown&Coke]

interesting that he points out how strong MJ was. Jordan was a physical specimen, and his strength was a much underrated aspect of his game.

And him saying The Dream was better than both Shaq and Timmy, I agree with that too. Hakeem's game had no weakness, he could beat you down low, high post, shooting, passing, defense, name it. One of the only guys to play with prime all three of those guys and I respect his opinion, and he aint no scrub

[Micku]

I honestly think, and still do. Hakeem could play guard. His game was so complete. He did play wing a bit in the 96 Olympics. That was a thing of beauty.

Of all players that could dominate out of their own era, it would be him. He was so dynamic. I love Dwight, but Dream would school his ass.

Well Hakeem basically did school him. He taught him more post moves this season. Haha.

But I'm not saying that Shaq>Hakeem or Hakeem>Shaq, I'm saying that it's subjective.

[JellyBean]

Who is this Jordan that we speak of? :D

Dude. We all know that MJ is the best ever. Can we stop with these threads stating the obvious. Now for Hakeem being better than Shaq and Duncan, now that is a nice debate. But I do agree, Hakeem was better than Shaq and Duncan. Dream had that all around game.

[OriginalNameGuy]

inb4 Kobetards post that stupid "at age 32" picture

[Mr. Incredible]

Obviously. :banghead:

[whoartthou]

first and foremost, will smith is no scrub, he was on plenty of contending teams.

Second of all, Horry has no reason to give props to MJ. He was never his teammate or none of that jazz.

Basically, he gives an unbiased opinion, which IMHO, is the very accurate.

However, kobe is still > than jordan because he is the second coming of Jesus. True story, brah. :pimp:

[ballerz]

i should value a scrubs opinion because...
he has seven rings and your a dumbass basketball fan

[AlphaWolf24]

:lol I love it.....when some random player says MJ is the best, Jordan stans drool all over it and take it as a unbiased vote.

but if MJ's former teammates or opponents who played against Kobe say Kobe is a better player then they are just holding a grudge against MJ or bitter for losing.


Jordan stans....bringing down basketball one post at a time:facepalm

[reppy]

:lol I love it.....when some random player says MJ is the best, Jordan stans drool all over it and take it as a unbiased vote.

but if MJ's former teammates or opponents who played against Kobe say Kobe is a better player then they are just holding a grudge against MJ or bitter for losing.


Jordan stans....bringing down basketball one post at a time:facepalm

Who said that?

[DTD]

Who said that?

John Salley, Horace Grant, Steve Kerr

[AlphaWolf24]

John Salley, Horace Grant, Steve Kerr


Mychal Thompson,AC Green ,Jack haley also.....

[StarJordan]

John Salley, Horace Grant, Steve Kerr

No Chicago bull has ever said kobe is better than Jordan. Lots of Lakers have said Jordan is 'by far' the greatest player ever.

[amfirst]

Dream >> TImmy >> Shaq

Timmy always had a better stat head to head against Shaq

[AlphaWolf24]

No Chicago bull has ever said kobe is better than Jordan. Lots of Lakers have said Jordan is 'by far' the greatest player ever.

Horace Grant , Steve Kerr,Jack Haley

[jlauber]

Dream >> TImmy >> Shaq

Timmy always had a better stat head to head against Shaq

They seldom guarded each other, except in the 4th quarters of their playoff games...and Duncan really struggled in that matchup.

As for Hakeem...I think he has been very over-rated on this board. He won two rings in the two years in which Jordan basically did not play (alright, MJ did come back late in one of them.) And I still think a young Shaq battled him to a draw in '95. Look up the stats. And later on in the late 90's Shaq just crushed him. I remember Hakeem doing all of his "shake-and-bake" moves on Shaq, who would just wait him out, and then block his shot.

And Hakeem was just BURIED by a 38 year old Kareem in '85-86. My god, Kareem scored 46 points on him, on 21-30 shooting (and yes, Hakeem was guarding him that game.) And for the SEASON, H2H, Kareem averaged 33 ppg on an eye-popping .634 shooting against him. In fact, Kareem in his LAST four years, from age 38 to 41, shot .599 against Hakeem...while scoring 20.2 ppg against him.

He basically built his career on outplaying Robinson in one series. Here again, look up their H2H numbers. Robinson was his equal, and D-Rob's teams just clobbered Hakeem's.

Hakeem had those two rings...in 18 seasons...with EIGHT first round playoff exits (and only three Finals.) His regular season numbers were very good, but NEVER great. He won ONE MVP, and only a couple of rebound titles. That was it. Yet some people here claim he is a top-5 player all-time. There is just NO WAY that he is a top-5 player, and IMHO, he is barely a top-10 player.

[ginobli2311]

They seldom guarded each other, except in the 4th quarters of their playoff games...and Duncan really struggled in that matchup.

As for Hakeem...I think he has been very over-rated on this board. He won two rings in the two years in which Jordan basically did not play (alright, MJ did come back late in one of them.) And I still think a young Shaq battled him to a draw in '95. Look up the stats. And later on in the late 90's Shaq just crushed him. I remember Hakeem doing all of his "shake-and-bake" moves on Shaq, who would just wait him out, and then block his shot.

And Hakeem was just BURIED by a 38 year old Kareem in '85-86. My god, Kareem scored 46 points on him, on 21-30 shooting (and yes, Hakeem was guarding him that game.) And for the SEASON, H2H, Kareem averaged 33 ppg on an eye-popping .634 shooting against him. In fact, Kareem in his LAST four years, from age 38 to 41, shot .599 against Hakeem...while scoring 20.2 ppg against him.

Hakeem had those two rings...in 18 seasons...with EIGHT first round playoff exits. Hus regular season numbers were very good, but NEVER great. He won ONE MVP, and only a couple of rebound titles. That was it. Yet some people here claim he is a top-5 player all-time. There is just NO WAY that he is a top-5 player, and IMHO, he is barely a top-10 player.

Good post.

I think Hakeem is only over-rated if you put him in the top 5. Which is just absurd given what we know and saw as you stated above.

Hakeem is tough for me. He's locked in at number 9 for me and I don't see that changing anytime soon....Lebron will probably pass him all time on my list as long as Lebron wins a title or two.

I watched pretty much Hakeem's entire career. There aren't many other players in history I would rather build a team around. He could do everything on both ends and was a great team player. He was a victim of unfortunate circumstances though so we'll never really know what he could have been.

At his peak, he led the worst team to win a title in the last 30 years.
his playoffs in 95 are just absurd:

33 points 10 boards 5 assists in 22 games.

I rank Duncan over Hakeem because I think Duncan was the more sound defender. Hakeem often gambled for blocks and didn't really anchor the defense the way he should.

However, I'm not sure what Hakeem would have done playing alongside a hall of famer like Magic or Bird for 8 years.

So, like always, circumstances just play too big a role for me to accurately define Hakeem as a player.

[BoxOutBOXOUT]

Horry's opinion is biased. He played alongside Kobe. He DIDN'T play alongside Jordan. He saw all of Kobe's faults and shortcomings but never had the opportunity to see Jordan's. His view of Kobe is based on reality while his view of Jordan is based on hype and fantasy. Unfair assessment. I'd like to hear what someone like Ron Harper, Dennis Rodman, etc. has to say about it, not some guy that jerks it to MJ but never actually shared the court with him.

[SavageMode]

Seasons over 30 points per game:
Michael Jordan: 8
Kobe Bryant: 2

Seasons over 32 points per game:
Michael Jordan: 5
Kobe Bryant: 1

In NBA history, there are 13 50 point games with under 50% shooting, and Kobe Bryant is responsible for 6 of them.

Kobe Bryant also has:
2nd worst known game score for a player scoring 10+ points. (5-21 shooting)
2nd worst known game score for a player scoring 30+ points. (11-29)
Worst and 4th worst known game scores for a player scoring 40+ points. (17-47, 12-30)

Regular season
Seasons under 50% shooting
Kobe Bryant: 14
Michael Jordan: 9

Seasons under 48% shooting:
Kobe Bryant: 14
Michael Jordan: 5

Seasons over 50% shooting:
Kobe Bryant: 0
Michael Jordan: 6

Seasons over 52% shooting:
Kobe Bryant: 0
Michael Jordan: 4

Regular season
Games with under 50% shooting
Michael Jordan: 489
Kobe Bryant: 623

Regular season
Games with under 48% shooting
Michael Jordan: 458
Kobe Bryant: 599

Regular season
Games with under 46% shooting
Michael Jordan: 388
Kobe Bryant: 530

Regular season
Games with under 44% shooting
Michael Jordan: 296
Kobe Bryant: 452

Regular season
Games with under 42% shooting
Michael Jordan: 234
Kobe Bryant: 393

Regular season
Games with under 40% shooting
Michael Jordan: 158
Kobe Bryant: 317

Regular season
Games with under 35% shooting
Michael Jordan: 88
Kobe Bryant: 192

Regular season
Games with under 30% shooting
Michael Jordan: 41
Kobe Bryant: 97

Regular season
Games with 60% or better shooting
Michael "Air" Jordan: 173
Kobe "Bean" Bryant: 123

Regular season
Games with 50% or better shooting
Michael "Air" Jordan: 556
Kobe "Bean" Bryant: 393

Regular season
Games with 20 shots made on 60% or better shooting
MJ: 16
Kobe: 3

Rookie of the Year
Michael Jordan: Yes
Kobe Bryant: No

In his rookie year, Michael Jordan led his team in scoring, rebounding, assists and steals. Kobe Bryant wasn't good enough to beat out Eddie Jones for the starting spot his rookie year.

All-Rookie First Team
Michael Jordan: Yes
Kobe Bryant: No

Regular season & Playoffs combined
Games with 12 or more assists
Michael Air Jordan: 32
Kobe Bryant: 19

Regular season & Playoffs combined
Games with 10 or more assists:
Michael Air Jordan: 87
Kobe Bean Bryant: 74

Regular season & Playoffs combined
Games with 5 or more assists:
Michael Air Jordan: 663
Kobe Bean Bryant: 593

Regular season & Playoffs combined
Games with less than 3 assists:
Michael Air Jordan: 179
Kobe Bryant: 261

Regular season & Playoffs combined
Games with less than 2 assists:
Michael Air Jordan: 61
Kobe Bryant: 142

Regular season & Playoffs combined
Games with 0 assists:
Michael Air Jordan: 7
Kobe Bryant: 57

Regular season & Playoffs combined
Games with at least 15 rebounds:
Michael Air Jordan: 10
Kobe Bryant: 5

Regular season & Playoffs combined
Games with at least 12 rebounds:
Michael Air Jordan: 66
Kobe Bryant: 29

Percentage of points scored on free throws:
Michael Air Jordan: 22.9%
Kobe Bryant: 25.1%

Record in games with 30+ shot attempts
Michael Air Jordan: 72-57 (.558)
Kobe Bean Bryant: 46-61 (.368)
Michael Jordan shot his team to wins, Kobe Bryant shoots his team out of wins.

Seasons with at least 200 steals:
Michael Air Jordan: 6
Kobe Bryant: 0

Seasons with at least 150 steals:
Michael Air Jordan: 9
Kobe Bryant: 2

Seasons with at least 100 blocks:
Michael Air Jordan: 2
Kobe Bryant: 0

Seasons with at least 75 blocks:
Michael Air Jordan: 4
Kobe Bryant: 0

Defensive Player of the Year awards
Michael Jordan: 1
Kobe Bryant: 0

Michael averaged 35 points per game when he won defensive player of the year. The next closest scorer to win it had 27 ppg. Guards rarely receive Defensive Player of the Year. Think about the level of energy it takes to lead the league in scoring, and be the league's best defender.

Regular season & Playoffs combined
40 point or higher games
MJ: 211
Kobe: 115

Regular season & Playoffs combined
30 point or higher games
MJ: 671
Kobe: 415

Career Player Efficiency Rating
Michael Jordan: 27.91
Kobe Bryant: 23.50

Olympic Gold Medals
Michael Jordan: 2
Kobe Bryant: 1

Michael Jordan is one of three players to win an Olympic gold as both an amateur (1984) and professional (1992). The other players are Patrick Ewing and Chris Mullin, who did it with him.

All Star Game:
Jordan’s 40 points in 1988 is still the second most points in an All-Star Game behind Wilt Chamberlain’s 42. Jordan also recorded the only All-Star Game triple double in NBA history in 1997.

Scoring titles
Michael Jordan: 10
Kobe Bryant: 2

Of course Jordan has the most scoring titles in NBA history. He also led the league in total points his rookie season, but was third in scoring average. He is the only player besides Wilt Chamberlain to score 3,000 points in a season.

Steals titles
Michael Jordan: 3
Kobe Bryant: 0

Jordan was the first player in NBA history to lead the league in both scoring and steals. He achieved this feat three times. The only other player to do it is Allen Iverson.

Jordan was the first player in NBA history to record 200 steals and 100 blocks in a season. He performed this feat in back-to-back seasons, making him the only player to achieve it multiple times. Hakeem Olajuwon and Scottie Pippen later achieved 200 steals and 100 blocks in one season.

Jordan is the fourth player in NBA history to win a scoring title and an NBA championship in the same season, which he did all six times.

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[UwishUhadWall]

Jordan being the GOAT is no different than the sky being blue. The sooner some can just accept the fact, the sooner they'll stop making themselves look retarded little fanboys.

And that's not taking anything away from Kobe. He's an all time great and a legend. HE'S JUST NOT MICHAEL JORDAN GREAT. Nobody is. Get over it.

(Don't get me started on Lebron. He doesn't belong in this discussion.)

[jlauber]

Good post.

I think Hakeem is only over-rated if you put him in the top 5. Which is just absurd given what we know and saw as you stated above.

Hakeem is tough for me. He's locked in at number 9 for me and I don't see that changing anytime soon....Lebron will probably pass him all time on my list as long as Lebron wins a title or two.

I watched pretty much Hakeem's entire career. There aren't many other players in history I would rather build a team around. He could do everything on both ends and was a great team player. He was a victim of unfortunate circumstances though so we'll never really know what he could have been.

At his peak, he led the worst team to win a title in the last 30 years.
his playoffs in 95 are just absurd:

33 points 10 boards 5 assists in 22 games.

I rank Duncan over Hakeem because I think Duncan was the more sound defender. Hakeem often gambled for blocks and didn't really anchor the defense the way he should.

However, I'm not sure what Hakeem would have done playing alongside a hall of famer like Magic or Bird for 8 years.

So, like always, circumstances just play too big a role for me to accurately define Hakeem as a player.

#9 is EXACTLY where I rank Hakeem myself...behind Kobe and ahead of Bird. Now, I have said it before...you can interchange those three if you want...but by the time Kobe's career is over, he will be ranked ahead of both. Hakeem had that sensational playoff run in '95, but that was ONE damned season...in 18 (and yes, he was great in the '04 playoffs as well)! And once again, he never put up what I would term a truly GREAT season. Hell, Robinson had better years.

You can argue the quality of his teammates, but why do those that do, never acknowledge that Chamberlain played with far crappier rosters in the first half of his career, and was NEVER outplayed in ANY of his post-seasons? And before some idiot claims that Wilt had HOF teammates early in his career...one of them was Tom Gola, who not only has no business being in the HOF, he was arguably the WORST post-season HOF player EVER. And Wilt's other HOF teammate, Arizin was at the end of his career, and he too, played poorly in Wilt's post-seasons.

Olajuwon never came close to Chamberlain's over-all IMPACT on the game. In fact, Russell, Kareem, and Shaq were all more dominant, and Duncan was more consistent.

[Round Mound]

Duncan more consistant than Hakeem? :facepalm

Hakeem was so much better than Duncan that its not even funny.

A healthy D-Rob was also better than Tim Duncan

[HighFlyer23]

He also said Hakeem is better than Shaq and Duncan! :eek:

Saying who is the best is subjective. You can probably bring up arguments to support you claim to say who has the better case in the argument, but it is mainly subjective on the final conclusion.

LOL is this a joke? Hakeem was way better than Duncan ever was. Shaq is arguable but Hakeem was the better defender than him.

And come on jlauber, we all know Wilt would barely make it to the league today and Russell who was the size of Kevin Durant wouldn't even be in the NBA. None of those 60s scrubs would ever become stars in todays league.

I mean look at his highlights

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLrMw3vvhQw&feature=related

Kendrick Perkins would shut him down

[jlauber]

Duncan more consistant than Hakeem? :facepalm

Hakeem was so much better than Duncan that its not even funny.

A healthy D-Rob was also better than Tim Duncan

Duncan's impact goes beyond the numbers, much like Russell's. He elevated the play of his teammates, and his team's have almost always been among the best defensive team's in the league. Hakeem may have had a better peak, but Duncan's CAREER has been better IMHO.

And a PEAK SHaq was quite simply a more dominant player than either.

[Alhazred]

Horry's opinion is biased. He played alongside Kobe. He DIDN'T play alongside Jordan. He saw all of Kobe's faults and shortcomings but never had the opportunity to see Jordan's. His view of Kobe is based on reality while his view of Jordan is based on hype and fantasy. Unfair assessment. I'd like to hear what someone like Ron Harper, Dennis Rodman, etc. has to say about it, not some guy that jerks it to MJ but never actually shared the court with him.

:facepalm

You know Horry joined the NBA in 1992, right? He played against Jordan multiple times during the second three-peat. I think he knows what he's talking about.

[ginobli2311]

Duncan's impact goes beyond the numbers, much like Russell's. He elevated the play of his teammates, and his team's have almost always been among the best defensive team's in the league. Hakeem may have had a better peak, but Duncan's CAREER has been better IMHO.

And a PEAK SHaq was quite simply a more dominant player than either.

This exactly.

You have to think of Duncan in terms of the Russell standard. Nothing Duncan does jumps out at you. He's just a great player that knows how to play the game and impact it in so many ways.

He is arguably the most fundamentally sound defensive player of all time besides Russell.

Hakeem had more flash, but I'll take Duncan.

[HighFlyer23]

:facepalm

You know Horry joined the NBA in 1992, right? He played against Jordan multiple times during the second three-peat. I think he knows what he's talking about.

Horry's opinion > Kobe stans opinions

[BoxOutBOXOUT]

:facepalm

You know Horry joined the NBA in 1992, right? He played against Jordan multiple times during the second three-peat. I think he knows what he's talking about.
You're a f*ckin' nut-gobbling idiot. I never said Horry didn't play AGAINST Jordan. I said he never played WITH him. Being someone's teammate exposes their weaknesses. When you're around someone so much you can see all their faults. Playing against someone a few times, on the other hand, shows you nothing. If that someone kicks your a$$ you'd think "Wow, he's amazing!" when in reality you probably just suck.

And Savage, only idiots make their text big to try getting their point across. If your words can't speak for themselves without the gimmick of oversized type then maybe you should go back to the sh*thole you crawled out of and leave the posting to the big boys. Your stats don't mean sh*t anyway. Jordan played in a sh*t era. Kind of easy to score 30ppg when you're being guarded by the likes of Jeff Hornacek on a nightly basis. Kobe would've averaged 40ppg if he had played in that weaksh*t era.

[ginobli2311]

#9 is EXACTLY where I rank Hakeem myself...behind Kobe and ahead of Bird. Now, I have said it before...you can interchange those three if you want...but by the time Kobe's career is over, he will be ranked ahead of both. Hakeem had that sensational playoff run in '95, but that was ONE damned season...in 18 (and yes, he was great in the '04 playoffs as well)! And once again, he never put up what I would term a truly GREAT season. Hell, Robinson had better years.

You can argue the quality of his teammates, but why do those that do, never acknowledge that Chamberlain played with far crappier rosters in the first half of his career, and was NEVER outplayed in ANY of his post-seasons? And before some idiot claims that Wilt had HOF teammates early in his career...one of them was Tom Gola, who not only has no business being in the HOF, he was arguably the WORST post-season HOF player EVER. And Wilt's other HOF teammate, Arizin was at the end of his career, and he too, played poorly in Wilt's post-seasons.

Olajuwon never came close to Chamberlain's over-all IMPACT on the game. In fact, Russell, Kareem, and Shaq were all more dominant, and Duncan was more consistent.


well, we both agree that wilt is seriously under appreciated here and in many places in the basketball world.

titles are too important. the reason i have hakeem over kobe is because given their respective circumstances, i think hakeem would have had significantly more success in both.

no way kobe leads any of those rockets team to titles....maybe not even the finals.....and i'm not sure hakeem would have less than 7 or 8 titles if he had played with kobe's help his entire career.

obviously its not an apples to apples comparison as they play different positions, but just comparing the overall talent and coaching i think hakeem would come out on top.

then i would look at which player does more. hakeem was a force on both ends and on the glass.

if we are ranking careers, i'd put kobe over hakeem. if we are ranking players, can't put kobe over hakeem.

[jlauber]

This exactly.

You have to think of Duncan in terms of the Russell standard. Nothing Duncan does jumps out at you. He's just a great player that knows how to play the game and impact it in so many ways.

He is arguably the most fundamentally sound defensive player of all time besides Russell.

Hakeem had more flash, but I'll take Duncan.

Agree 100%.

What is difficult for me, is where to rank Hakeem, Bird, and Kobe. Hakeem was, by far, the best post-season player of the three. Bird had a higher regular season peak than any of them. And Kobe has had a better combination of regular season and post-season success. Those that rip Kobe for his Finals shooting need to acknowledge that he has been a great post-season scorer (nearly 30 ppg since 2001.) And Kobe was the main reason that the Lakers beat the Spurs in those years, too. Bird's post-seasons just don't stack up to either, and his shooting in the Finals, all of which came in the "defenseless" 80's, was just as bad as Kobe's when compared to league average.

[HighFlyer23]

You're a f*ckin' nut-gobbling idiot. I never said Horry didn't play AGAINST Jordan. I said he never played WITH him. Being someone's teammate exposes their weaknesses. When you're around someone so much you can see all their faults. Playing against someone a few times, on the other hand, shows you nothing. If that someone kicks your a$$ you'd think "Wow, he's amazing!" when in reality you probably just suck.

And Savage, only idiots make their text big to try getting their point across. If your words can't speak for themselves without the gimmick of oversized type then maybe you should go back to the sh*thole you crawled out of and leave the posting to the big boys. Your stats don't mean sh*t anyway. Jordan played in a sh*t era. Kind of easy to score 30ppg when you're being guarded by the likes of Jeff Hornacek on a nightly basis. Kobe would've averaged 40ppg if he had played in that weaksh*t era.

Yet he shoots .433 FG% against Hornacek :lol

[jlauber]

well, we both agree that wilt is seriously under appreciated here and in many places in the basketball world.

titles are too important. the reason i have hakeem over kobe is because given their respective circumstances, i think hakeem would have had significantly more success in both.

no way kobe leads any of those rockets team to titles....maybe not even the finals.....and i'm not sure hakeem would have less than 7 or 8 titles if he had played with kobe's help his entire career.

obviously its not an apples to apples comparison as they play different positions, but just comparing the overall talent and coaching i think hakeem would come out on top.

then i would look at which player does more. hakeem was a force on both ends and on the glass.

if we are ranking careers, i'd put kobe over hakeem. if we are ranking players, can't put kobe over hakeem.

That about sums it up. Kobe has been blessed with more talented teams. Still, Kobe's post-season career gets ripped based on his FINALs performances, but he was BRILLIANT against the Spurs in several seasons.

And those that claim that Hakeem didn't have talented teammates overlook his 96-97 season, when he had Drexler and Barkley (who was still a 13.5 rpg guy.) IMHO, Hakeem gets WAY too much credit based on TWO Finals performances, and even in one of those, against a young Shaq, I didn't come away thinking he was any better than Shaq. And yes, Hakeem badly outplayed Robinson in '94, but over the course of their MANY H2H games throughout their CAREERS, Robinson more than held his own. I would claim that at the very worst, Robinson was Hakeem's equal. It is only those TWO rings as the main man that separates him from D-Rob.

[AlphaWolf24]

That about sums it up. Kobe has been blessed with more talented teams. Still, Kobe's post-season career gets ripped based on his FINALs performances, but he was BRILLIANT against the Spurs in several seasons.

And those that claim that Hakeem didn't have talented teammates overlook his 96-97 season, when he had Drexler and Barkley (who was still a 13.5 rpg guy.) IMHO, Hakeem gets WAY too much credit based on TWO Finals performances, and even in one of those, against a young Shaq, I didn't come away thinking he was any better than Shaq. And yes, Hakeem badly outplayed Robinson in '94, but over the course of their MANY H2H games throughout their CAREERS, Robinson more than held his own. I would claim that at the very worst, Robinson was Hakeem's equal. It is only those TWO rings as the main man that separates him from D-Rob.

True....but mostly from a small% of hard core fans.....Majority of the basketball community recognizes...

some of Kobe's runs in the post season
33/5/4 for 5 games
32/5/5 for 12 games
30/5/6 for 23 games
30/6/6 for 21 games
29/7/6 for 16 games
29/6/6 for 23 games
28/6/5 for 7 games
27/6/5 for 19 games

[AlphaWolf24]

You're a f*ckin' nut-gobbling idiot. I never said Horry didn't play AGAINST Jordan. I said he never played WITH him. Being someone's teammate exposes their weaknesses. When you're around someone so much you can see all their faults. Playing against someone a few times, on the other hand, shows you nothing. If that someone kicks your a$$ you'd think "Wow, he's amazing!" when in reality you probably just suck.

And Savage, only idiots make their text big to try getting their point across. If your words can't speak for themselves without the gimmick of oversized type then maybe you should go back to the sh*thole you crawled out of and leave the posting to the big boys. Your stats don't mean sh*t anyway. Jordan played in a sh*t era. Kind of easy to score 30ppg when you're being guarded by the likes of Jeff Hornacek on a nightly basis. Kobe would've averaged 40ppg if he had played in that weaksh*t era.


QFT....






(raises hand) I'm over size text guy though:cry:

[jlauber]

well, we both agree that wilt is seriously under appreciated here and in many places in the basketball world.



Wilt's TEAM's lost FOUR game seven's to Russell's Celtics by a TOTAL of NINE points. And, those that recall the '70 Finals, when Chamberlain played BRILLIANTLY on ONE-LEG, know that the Lakers were CHEATED out of a win in game five of that series by the officiating. Had the second half of that game been officiated anywhere near equally, Wilt's game six, of 45 points, on 20-27 shooting, with 27 rebounds, would have clinched the title.

So, IMHO, no other player has ever came so CLOSE, so OFTEN...and in several cases with FAR inferior rosters. He very easily could have won FIVE more rings...and had his team scored a few points against Russell's Celtics, he would have held a 5-3 edge over Russell H2H. Add a ring in '70, and Wilt would have been tied with Russell with SEVEN rings. IMHO, a few points and one poorly officiated game cost Wilt a CLEAR-CUT case as the GOAT.

[Bogus_Sting]

If you could have every NBA player play of all time in an elimination one on one tournament I bet on Hakeem to win.

Kobe wouldn't even get a shot off against him.

[jlauber]

If you could have every NBA player play of all time in an elimination one on one tournament I bet on Hakeem to win.

Kobe wouldn't even get a shot off against him.

Well, if a 38 year old Kareem could throw up a 46 point game, on 21-30 shooting, against him...and 33 ppg on .634 shooting over the course of five H2H games that year...I wonder how a 23-31 year-old Kareem would have fared?

[HighFlyer23]

Well, if a 38 year old Kareem could throw up a 46 point game, on 21-30 shooting, against him...and 33 ppg on .634 shooting over the course of five H2H games that year...I wonder how a 25-30 year-old Kareem would have fared?

you mean his second year in the league?

[Bogus_Sting]

Well, if a 38 year old Kareem could throw up a 46 point game, on 21-30 shooting, against him...and 33 ppg on .634 shooting over the course of five H2H games that year...I wonder how a 23-31 year-old Kareem would have fared?

I dunno? I wonder how many times Kareem took more than two dribbles on an offensive move, because I was talking about a one on one tournament. A 38 year old Kareem had some pretty good team mates getting him the ball.

[jlauber]

you mean his second year in the league?

In his second year in the league, Hakeem averaged 23.5 ppg, 11.9 rpg, and shot .526 from the field (BTW, his career high FG% came in his FIRST season, at .538.) So, Hakeem, at age 23 was much closer to his prime, than Kareem was at age 38. BTW, Kareem averaged 31.7 ppg, 16.0 rpg, and shot .577 in his second season, also at age 23...and led his team to a title.

[Alhazred]

You're a f*ckin' nut-gobbling idiot. I never said Horry didn't play AGAINST Jordan. I said he never played WITH him. Being someone's teammate exposes their weaknesses. When you're around someone so much you can see all their faults. Playing against someone a few times, on the other hand, shows you nothing. If that someone kicks your a$$ you'd think "Wow, he's amazing!" when in reality you probably just suck.

So you'll only accept what Jordan's teammates have to say about him? Fine, here's what Pippen(who's played more games with MJ than any other player) has to say:

[quote]Put Jordan in today

[jlauber]

I dunno? I wonder how many times Kareem took more than two dribbles on an offensive move, because I was talking about a one on one tournament. A 38 year old Kareem had some pretty good team mates getting him the ball.

A 38 year-old Kareem could barely get 6 rpg...and was CLEARLY WAY past his prime. He was still an effective offensive player, but he was nowhere near a Kareem who could consistently score 30-40 ppg early in his career.

[Bogus_Sting]

A 38 year-old Kareem could barely get 6 rpg...and was CLEARLY WAY past his prime. He was still an effective offensive player, but he was nowhere near a Kareem who could consistently score 30-40 ppg early in his career.

ok cool. You are however missing the point. I was talking about ONE ON ONE Basketball. HYPOTHETICAL.

Im very aware of Kareems statitics. I feel very lucky to have actually seen him play live (Im guessing Im one of the only people on this board). His acheivments are not in question.

[ginobli2311]

That about sums it up. Kobe has been blessed with more talented teams. Still, Kobe's post-season career gets ripped based on his FINALs performances, but he was BRILLIANT against the Spurs in several seasons.

And those that claim that Hakeem didn't have talented teammates overlook his 96-97 season, when he had Drexler and Barkley (who was still a 13.5 rpg guy.) IMHO, Hakeem gets WAY too much credit based on TWO Finals performances, and even in one of those, against a young Shaq, I didn't come away thinking he was any better than Shaq. And yes, Hakeem badly outplayed Robinson in '94, but over the course of their MANY H2H games throughout their CAREERS, Robinson more than held his own. I would claim that at the very worst, Robinson was Hakeem's equal. It is only those TWO rings as the main man that separates him from D-Rob.

Totally agree. While I hold Hakeem's two titles in very high regard, its not like he didn't have other chances.

Put it this way. If Lebron had won a title last year or in 09. I'd be very close to ranking him above Hakeem all time in a couple years already.

[Bogus_Sting]

Totally agree. While I hold Hakeem's two titles in very high regard, its not like he didn't have other chances.

Put it this way. If Lebron had won a title last year or in 09. I'd be very close to ranking him above Hakeem all time in a couple years already.

Hmmm Lebrons skills compared to Dream's are non existant. Have you guys actually seen Hakeem play? His offensive and defensive footwork? Lebron travels everytime he goes to the hoop (Uncalled), I know he didnt go to school, but thats no excuse for lacking skills.

[jlauber]

Totally agree. While I hold Hakeem's two titles in very high regard, its not like he didn't have other chances.

Put it this way. If Lebron had won a title last year or in 09. I'd be very close to ranking him above Hakeem all time in a couple years already.

Lebron will be interesting. I suspect that he will win at least a couple of rings before his career is over...and it will just be a case as to where he finishes in the all-top top-10...and who he would knock out...

[ginobli2311]

Hmmm Lebrons skills compared to Dream's are non existant. Have you guys actually seen Hakeem play? His offensive and defensive footwork? Lebron travels everytime he goes to the hoop (Uncalled), I know he didnt go to school, but thats no excuse for lacking skills.

i'm talking about impact and level of play. not just skill set. i'm a production guy. i don't care how you do it or how ugly your game is as long as it works.

[Bogus_Sting]

i'm talking about impact and level of play. not just skill set. i'm a production guy. i don't care how you do it or how ugly your game is as long as it works.

Thats why Im a coach I guess, im all about actually being able to play basketball.

[ginobli2311]

Thats why Im a coach I guess, im all about actually being able to play basketball.

lol

i played in college and coached in college. what i teach is fundamentals as well. but for evaluating players? impact is most important.

[jlauber]

Lebron has had two seasons of 30.0 ppg, 7.9 rpg, 7.2 apg, .484 shooting...and 29.7 ppg, 7.3 rpg, 8.6 apg, and .503 shooting...

and CAREER averages of 27.7 ppg, 7.1 rpg, 6.9 apg, and .478 shooting over the course of eight seasons.

Oh, and BTW, how about his 08-09 post-season? 35.3 ppg, 9.1 rpg, 7.3 apg, and .510 shooting.

[ginobli2311]

Lebron has had two seasons of 30.0 ppg, 7.9 rpg, 7.2 apg, .484 shooting...and 29.7 ppg, 7.3 rpg, 8.6 apg, and .503 shooting...

and CAREER averages of 27.7 ppg, 7.1 rpg, 6.9 apg, and .478 shooting over the course of eight seasons.

and most importantly, he's done that while over achieving overall with the talent he's had.

taking a 17 win team to the finals in just 4 years even after losing his 2nd best player. winning over 60 back to back with those teams....etc.

combining great numbers with success based on circumstances is something that always means a lot in my opinion.

[jlauber]

and most importantly, he's done that while over achieving overall with the talent he's had.

taking a 17 win team to the finals in just 4 years even after losing his 2nd best player. winning over 60 back to back with those teams....etc.

combining great numbers with success based on circumstances is something that always means a lot in my opinion.

And he had some staggering post-seasons, too. 35.3 ppg, 9.1 rpg, 7.3 apg, and .510 shooting...with CAREER averages of 29.3 ppg, 8.4 rpg, 7.3 apg, and .459 shooting.

And, as you said, he took average-at-best rosters, to 66 and 60 wins.

[ginobli2311]

And he had some staggering post-seasons, too. 35.3 ppg, 9.1 rpg, 7.3 apg, and .510 shooting...with CAREER averages of 29.3 ppg, 8.4 rpg, 7.3 apg, and .459 shooting.

And, as you said, he took average-at-best rosters, to 66 and 60 wins.

Lebron's first 8 seasons now have been pretty legendary when you factor everything in.

What he accomplishes from here on out will determine just how great he actually becomes. He's a lock for the top 15 all time barring a career ending injury.

If he starts to pile up titles while playing great ball, the top ten is going to look very different in 7 years.

[iamgine]

Best player is relative. Hakeem and Robinson were also as beastly as Jordan as a basketball player. The difference was they didn't win as much but they also didn't have Chicago Bulls talents. As good as those Bulls defense were, I think they would be even better with Hakeem or Robinson. Of course this is assuming Pippen turned out like he did even without Jordan.

[crosso√er]

He is the best NBA player of All-Time; I'd still rather have Magic though.
And Kareem to me has had the most successful basketball career out of any basketball player; if you combine his amateur, college and NBA career collectively.

[whoartthou]

Best player is relative. Hakeem and Robinson were also as beastly as Jordan as a basketball player. The difference was they didn't win as much but they also didn't have Chicago Bulls talents. As good as those Bulls defense were, I think they would be even better with Hakeem or Robinson. Of course this is assuming Pippen turned out like he did even without Jordan.

fair points. However, i don't think pippen would be as much of a beast as he was without jordan.

[kidachi]

:lol I love it.....when some random player says MJ is the best, Jordan stans drool all over it and take it as a unbiased vote.

but if MJ's former teammates or opponents who played against Kobe say Kobe is a better player then they are just holding a grudge against MJ or bitter for losing.


Jordan stans....bringing down basketball one post at a time:facepalm


can we get a link?

[rodman91]

http://braqueenexposed.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/bear.jpg

[Da_Realist]

Jordan played in a sh*t era. Kind of easy to score 30ppg when you're being guarded by the likes of Jeff Hornacek on a nightly basis. Kobe would've averaged 40ppg if he had played in that weaksh*t era.

People say all kinds of sh*t on this board. You probably didn't see but 15 youtube minutes of Jordan's career or you wouldn't say dumb sh*t like that. That's like someone saying, Kobe ain't sh*t cause he was shut down by Ray Allen. I'm sure Allen's defensive rating is through the roof.

During Jordan career with the Bulls, a player has averaged 30 points over a season 12 times. 8 of them by Jordan. 3 other people combined to do it (Dominique twice, Bernard King once and Karl Malone once).

In Kobe's career so far, it's been done 12 times. 3 of them by Kobe. 5 other people combined to do it in Kobe's era (Iverson 4 times, Lebron twice, Tracy McGrady, Dwyane Wade and Kevin Durant)

4 seasons of 30+ other than Jordan during his career. 9 seasons of 30+ other than Kobe during Kobe's career. Easier, indeed :rolleyes:

[Foster5k]

Horry is right. Jordan is the best. Guy had everything. He was the prototype SG if u could build one right now, you would build another Jordan.

[Calabis]

:lol I love it.....when some random player says MJ is the best, Jordan stans drool all over it and take it as a unbiased vote.

but if MJ's former teammates or opponents who played against Kobe say Kobe is a better player then they are just holding a grudge against MJ or bitter for losing.


Jordan stans....bringing down basketball one post at a time:facepalm

Hooray, the #1 Kobe troll is back....:roll:

Kobetards at there best

Barkley states MJ is better....troll response he's a hater and dumb

Magic: MJ is GOAT.....troll response he's a hater because Kobe is threatening his GLOAT status

Craig Hodges while Lakers shooting coach, MJ all day, trolls....oh he's a hater, who cares

Pippen:....Jordan is the GOAT, trolls what do you expect from a guy that rode Jordans coattails, he's a hater

Horry:....who cares about a scrubs opinion, he's a hater

Larry Brown: Jordan would be even better today under these rules......oh he's a hater

Joe Johnson: I can't imagine what Jordan would do under todays rules....oh he wears Jordan brand, of course he's biased, he's a hater

Jerry West: Jordan is the best ever...oh he's a hater

Danny Ainge: Jordan the best all around player ever...oh he's a hater, what does he know

Tim Grover: Jordan the best he has seen.....oh he's a hater, and sponsored by MJ

Joe Dumars: Jordan would be better today, oh he's a hater

Phil Jackson: Jordan is better and Jordan would avg 45....oh he is fos, he's just a hater

99.5% of the basketball community...Jordan is better period....oh you guys are haters and live in the space jam community

.............................................

Mark Jackson: Kobe is the best ever.........troll: Mark Jackson played in the NBA and is still currently involved in some capacity of the game, he know what he's talking about.(But the above legends, GM's, coaches don't)

Phil Jackson: I think Kobe is more skilled than Jordan......troll: :applause: Even Phil says he's better than MJ(yet when he states Jordan would avg 45 and that Jordan is better, please stop the comparison, he's FOS)

Jamille Hill: Kobe is better.....troll: Hell yeah, this is the truth, yeah she didn't see prime MJ, but she is 100% right

Nothing worst than a bunch of hypocrites, which is exactly why no one can stand Kobestans, AlphaWolf being #1 in line

[andgar923]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uqQtui0330

There was another exchange in which GP and CWeb stated emphatically without a shadow of a doubt, that MJ was the GOAT by far. Even as GP stated that Kobe was his boy after going out to dinner with him.

Should we start a thread of people that stated MJ was the GOAT?

If we do, it will be a looooooonnnnngggg thread.

[nbacardDOTnet]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQpu1ZHVKNI

[Crown&Coke]

Horry's opinion is biased. He played alongside Kobe. He DIDN'T play alongside Jordan. He saw all of Kobe's faults and shortcomings but never had the opportunity to see Jordan's. His view of Kobe is based on reality while his view of Jordan is based on hype and fantasy. Unfair assessment. I'd like to hear what someone like Ron Harper, Dennis Rodman, etc. has to say about it, not some guy that jerks it to MJ but never actually shared the court with him.

I saw a youtube clip of Ron Harper and Pip doing some work at some shoe company, and someone asked about Kobe/MJ comparison and Harper said MJ was a better player and it isn't even close.

not saying I agree/disagree but Ron did play with Kobe during his first two titles, when a lot of people were dogging Kobe because he was selfish. And I really like Harper as a player, but saying its not even close is a bit much.

[whoartthou]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQpu1ZHVKNI
damn... young will smith and young robert horry are TWIN BROTHERS

[whoartthou]

I saw a youtube clip of Ron Harper and Pip doing some work at some shoe company, and someone asked about Kobe/MJ comparison and Harper said MJ was a better player and it isn't even close.

not saying I agree/disagree but Ron did play with Kobe during his first two titles, when a lot of people were dogging Kobe because he was selfish. And I really like Harper as a player, but saying its not even close is a bit much.

i think rodman also said that jordan is > lebron, and its not close. And well... lebron is a better player than kobe. :confusedshrug:

[whoartthou]

Hooray, the #1 Kobe troll is back....:roll:

Kobetards at there best

Barkley states MJ is better....troll response he's a hater and dumb

Magic: MJ is GOAT.....troll response he's a hater because Kobe is threatening his GLOAT status

Craig Hodges while Lakers shooting coach, MJ all day, trolls....oh he's a hater, who cares

Pippen:....Jordan is the GOAT, trolls what do you expect from a guy that rode Jordans coattails, he's a hater

Horry:....who cares about a scrubs opinion, he's a hater

Larry Brown: Jordan would be even better today under these rules......oh he's a hater

Joe Johnson: I can't imagine what Jordan would do under todays rules....oh he wears Jordan brand, of course he's biased, he's a hater

Jerry West: Jordan is the best ever...oh he's a hater

Danny Ainge: Jordan the best all around player ever...oh he's a hater, what does he know

Tim Grover: Jordan the best he has seen.....oh he's a hater, and sponsored by MJ

Joe Dumars: Jordan would be better today, oh he's a hater

Phil Jackson: Jordan is better and Jordan would avg 45....oh he is fos, he's just a hater

99.5% of the basketball community...Jordan is better period....oh you guys are haters and live in the space jam community

.............................................

Mark Jackson: Kobe is the best ever.........troll: Mark Jackson played in the NBA and is still currently involved in some capacity of the game, he know what he's talking about.(But the above legends, GM's, coaches don't)

Phil Jackson: I think Kobe is more skilled than Jordan......troll: :applause: Even Phil says he's better than MJ(yet when he states Jordan would avg 45 and that Jordan is better, please stop the comparison, he's FOS)

Jamille Hill: Kobe is better.....troll: Hell yeah, this is the truth, yeah she didn't see prime MJ, but she is 100% right

Nothing worst than a bunch of hypocrites, which is exactly why no one can stand Kobestans, AlphaWolf being #1 in line
:roll: :roll: :roll:
Jerry west is the dood that wanted KOBE, and he even says jordan is the GOAT. poor kobe stans

[StarJordan]

alphawolf Steve Kerr has never said Kobe is better than MJ or even equal. Must be embarassing for you all to have the guy who has more rings than kobe and teammate of kobe's (horry) say jordan is better. Just like Magic.

[rodman91]

By the way who cares if they say Kobe was better? Games got online and stats, awards are well known...It wouldn't change anything.

Kobe is all time great. Jordan is greatest of all times.

[Da_Realist]

By the way who cares if they say Kobe was better? Games got online and stats, awards are well known...It wouldn't change anything.

Kobe is all time great. Jordan is greatest of all times.

Exactly. Too many Jordan games available for people to fall for the bullsh*t. But Alpha's working the hell out of the internet, though. All for nothing :oldlol:

[whoartthou]

Exactly. Too many Jordan games available for people to fall for the bullsh*t. But Alpha's working the hell out of the internet, though. All for nothing :oldlol:

Yep.

As Alpha would say... NEXT!

[rodman91]

Exactly. Too many Jordan games available for people to fall for the bullsh*t. But Alpha's working the hell out of the internet, though. All for nothing :oldlol:
I suspect Alpha is Vanessa Bryant. :roll: :cheers:

[10x91= 5 Rings]

I suspect Alpha is Vanessa Bryant. :roll: :cheers:

Where`s Karl Malone when you need him. "HEEHAWW hunting them down" :lol

[SavageMode]

You're a f*ckin' nut-gobbling idiot. I never said Horry didn't play AGAINST Jordan. I said he never played WITH him. Being someone's teammate exposes their weaknesses. When you're around someone so much you can see all their faults. Playing against someone a few times, on the other hand, shows you nothing. If that someone kicks your a$$ you'd think "Wow, he's amazing!" when in reality you probably just suck.

And Savage, only idiots make their text big to try getting their point across. If your words can't speak for themselves without the gimmick of oversized type then maybe you should go back to the sh*thole you crawled out of and leave the posting to the big boys. Your stats don't mean sh*t anyway. Jordan played in a sh*t era. Kind of easy to score 30ppg when you're being guarded by the likes of Jeff Hornacek on a nightly basis. Kobe would've averaged 40ppg if he had played in that weaksh*t era.
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Seasons over 30 points per game:
Michael Jordan: 8
Kobe Bryant: 2

Seasons over 32 points per game:
Michael Jordan: 5
Kobe Bryant: 1

In NBA history, there are 13 50 point games with under 50% shooting, and Kobe Bryant is responsible for 6 of them.

Kobe Bryant also has:
2nd worst known game score for a player scoring 10+ points. (5-21 shooting)
2nd worst known game score for a player scoring 30+ points. (11-29)
Worst and 4th worst known game scores for a player scoring 40+ points. (17-47, 12-30)

Regular season
Seasons under 50% shooting
Kobe Bryant: 14
Michael Jordan: 9

Seasons under 48% shooting:
Kobe Bryant: 14
Michael Jordan: 5

Seasons over 50% shooting:
Kobe Bryant: 0
Michael Jordan: 6

Seasons over 52% shooting:
Kobe Bryant: 0
Michael Jordan: 4

Regular season
Games with under 50% shooting
Michael Jordan: 489
Kobe Bryant: 623

Regular season
Games with under 48% shooting
Michael Jordan: 458
Kobe Bryant: 599

Regular season
Games with under 46% shooting
Michael Jordan: 388
Kobe Bryant: 530

Regular season
Games with under 44% shooting
Michael Jordan: 296
Kobe Bryant: 452

Regular season
Games with under 42% shooting
Michael Jordan: 234
Kobe Bryant: 393

Regular season
Games with under 40% shooting
Michael Jordan: 158
Kobe Bryant: 317

Regular season
Games with under 35% shooting
Michael Jordan: 88
Kobe Bryant: 192

Regular season
Games with under 30% shooting
Michael Jordan: 41
Kobe Bryant: 97

Regular season
Games with 60% or better shooting
Michael "Air" Jordan: 173
Kobe "Bean" Bryant: 123

Regular season
Games with 50% or better shooting
Michael "Air" Jordan: 556
Kobe "Bean" Bryant: 393

Regular season
Games with 20 shots made on 60% or better shooting
MJ: 16
Kobe: 3

Rookie of the Year
Michael Jordan: Yes
Kobe Bryant: No

In his rookie year, Michael Jordan led his team in scoring, rebounding, assists and steals. Kobe Bryant wasn't good enough to beat out Eddie Jones for the starting spot his rookie year.

All-Rookie First Team
Michael Jordan: Yes
Kobe Bryant: No

Regular season & Playoffs combined
Games with 12 or more assists
Michael Air Jordan: 32
Kobe Bryant: 19

Regular season & Playoffs combined
Games with 10 or more assists:
Michael Air Jordan: 87
Kobe Bean Bryant: 74

Regular season & Playoffs combined
Games with 5 or more assists:
Michael Air Jordan: 663
Kobe Bean Bryant: 593

Regular season & Playoffs combined
Games with less than 3 assists:
Michael Air Jordan: 179
Kobe Bryant: 261

Regular season & Playoffs combined
Games with less than 2 assists:
Michael Air Jordan: 61
Kobe Bryant: 142

Regular season & Playoffs combined
Games with 0 assists:
Michael Air Jordan: 7
Kobe Bryant: 57

Regular season & Playoffs combined
Games with at least 15 rebounds:
Michael Air Jordan: 10
Kobe Bryant: 5

Regular season & Playoffs combined
Games with at least 12 rebounds:
Michael Air Jordan: 66
Kobe Bryant: 29

Percentage of points scored on free throws:
Michael Air Jordan: 22.9%
Kobe Bryant: 25.1%

Record in games with 30+ shot attempts
Michael Air Jordan: 72-57 (.558)
Kobe Bean Bryant: 46-61 (.368)
Michael Jordan shot his team to wins, Kobe Bryant shoots his team out of wins.

Seasons with at least 200 steals:
Michael Air Jordan: 6
Kobe Bryant: 0

Seasons with at least 150 steals:
Michael Air Jordan: 9
Kobe Bryant: 2

Seasons with at least 100 blocks:
Michael Air Jordan: 2
Kobe Bryant: 0

Seasons with at least 75 blocks:
Michael Air Jordan: 4
Kobe Bryant: 0

Defensive Player of the Year awards
Michael Jordan: 1
Kobe Bryant: 0

Michael averaged 35 points per game when he won defensive player of the year. The next closest scorer to win it had 27 ppg. Guards rarely receive Defensive Player of the Year. Think about the level of energy it takes to lead the league in scoring, and be the league's best defender.

Regular season & Playoffs combined
40 point or higher games
MJ: 211
Kobe: 115

Regular season & Playoffs combined
30 point or higher games
MJ: 671
Kobe: 415

Career Player Efficiency Rating
Michael Jordan: 27.91
Kobe Bryant: 23.50

Olympic Gold Medals
Michael Jordan: 2
Kobe Bryant: 1

Michael Jordan is one of three players to win an Olympic gold as both an amateur (1984) and professional (1992). The other players are Patrick Ewing and Chris Mullin, who did it with him.

All Star Game:
Jordan