NCAA vs NBA D-League vs Euro league vs other?

[gyu]

I've been wondering this for awhile now but I don't watch any of these, so could you guys please rank these from highest level of play to lowest so I know.
Thanks!

[KB2clutch]

ncaa>>>>>>euro=dleague>>>any other league

[Papaya Petee]

D-League is all best college players who needed time for the NBA. Examples Dexter Pittman or Scottie Reynolds

D-League>>>>Euro>>>>>>Ncaa

[Kevin_Gamble]

Euro >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> D-League >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCAA

No matter how good some NCAA players CAN be, they are still 18-21 year olds who play against hugely diluted competition.

D-League.... look at the list of players the D-league sent to the NBA.

Euro-league has sent some stellar players to the NBA.

[Ikill]

D-League is all best college players who needed time for the NBA. Examples Dexter Pittman or Scottie Reynolds

D-League>>>>Euro>>>>>>Ncaa
this

[get these NETS]

if they sent d-leaguers to the olympics..they'd get run out of the building...just like the college kids did 20 years ago.

pros play in the olympics now for a reason

[KB2clutch]

if they sent d-leaguers to the olympics..they'd get run out of the building...just like the college kids did 20 years ago.

pros play in the olympics now for a reason
let the ncaa all americans train together for a month and theyll run shit at teh olympics

[kaktus14]

Best college teams would be lucky to lose less then 30 by teams like Barcelona or Panathinaikos,same goes for any D-League team,I mean bunch of kids against profesional teams which have ex NBA,or players who can held their own against best of NBA in international competition,and someone can argue they are better?? c'm son,you are better then that:facepalm

[KB2clutch]

Best college teams would be lucky to lose less then 30 by teams like Barcelona or Panathinaikos,same goes for any D-League team,I mean bunch of kids against profesional teams which have ex NBA,or players who can held their own against best of NBA in international competition,and someone can argue they are better?? c'm son,you are better then that:facepalm
kentucky, north carolina, duke, ohio state would destroy any euroleague team with out a doubt in my mind

[TaLvsCuaL]

kentucky, north carolina, duke, ohio state would destroy any euroleague team with out a doubt in my mind
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: Nice joke.

[kaktus14]

kentucky, north carolina, duke, ohio state would destroy any euroleague team with out a doubt in my mind
:facepalm

There is a big world out there,go and explore it

btw Lakers lost this summer to barcelona, so you are saying Lakers would get destroyed by NCAA team?

just wondering

[eliteballer]

Euroleague would beat NCAA teams just because of maturation due to older players, but D-League teams could definitely hang with them:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AAl37bofQQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0R0VrcsXK8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWqenOWsYyw&feature=related

The quality of play is not impressive, and the worst NBA team would smash anything they could offer.

[ZenMaster]

kentucky, north carolina, duke, ohio state would destroy any euroleague team with out a doubt in my mind


So wrong.

[get these NETS]

let the ncaa all americans train together for a month and theyll run shit at teh olympics

when they let college kids play, that's essentially what happened.....elite ncaa players got together for about a month, practiced....


that plan ran out of steam in '88


look it up.
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You have a better chance of winning this argument than college players have of beating euroleague team. and you have NO chance.

[get these NETS]

Euroleague would beat NCAA teams just because of maturation due to older players, but D-League teams could definitely hang with them:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AAl37bofQQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0R0VrcsXK8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWqenOWsYyw&feature=related

The quality of play is not impressive, and the worst NBA team would smash anything they could offer.

you know that elite level nba players have lost in international competition since the Dream Team?


d league teams would get run over.

[KB2clutch]

umm every player on the those teams that get significant minutes will play on euroleague teams and possibly be the best player on the team, than you include the nba talent, plus the potential nba stars and you're telling me they'll lose to a bunch of players who wanted to play in the nba but dont have the talent and settled for hte euroleague?

[get these NETS]

KB2


take the L and move on.

[bdreason]

Euroleague > NBA D-League > NCAA


There really isn't an argument to claim anything different.

[Kevin_Gamble]

umm every player on the those teams that get significant minutes will play on euroleague teams and possibly be the best player on the team, than you include the nba talent, plus the potential nba stars and you're telling me they'll lose to a bunch of players who wanted to play in the nba but dont have the talent and settled for hte euroleague?

Best D-league player to make it to the NBA is like Smush Parker. Good players don't get sent to the D-league.

[TaLvsCuaL]

Euroleague >>>> NCAA = D-League

[KB2clutch]

Best D-league player to make it to the NBA is like Smush Parker. Good players don't get sent to the D-league.
i meant top ncaa teams

[gyu]

How come D-Leaguer's rarely get picked up by NBA teams or if they do, don't play a significant role if the level of play is around the NCAA's? Are the players in the D-League all older guys like mid-late 20s without much potential is that why?

[Stuckey]

Euroleague > NBA D-League > NCAA


There really isn't an argument to claim anything different.

+1

but the best ncaa all star team could probably hang with the d leaguers

[bdreason]

How come D-Leaguer's rarely get picked up by NBA teams or if they do, don't play a significant role if the level of play is around the NCAA's? Are the players in the D-League all older guys like mid-late 20s without much potential is that why?


What's the % of NCAA players that make the NBA? Probably less than 1%?


I have a feeling a larger % of D-leaguers make it to the NBA than NCAA players. This last season a TON of D-leaguers were getting called up.

[B-Easy8]

1. Euroleague
2. D-League
3. NCAA

I can almost guarantee you that the best Euroleague team would beat the Cavs or the Wolves.

[elementally morale]

1. Euroleague
2. D-League
3. NCAA

I can almost guarantee you that the best Euroleague team would beat the Cavs or the Wolves.

Best Euroleague teams would make the playoffs, some of them would make it to the second round, too.

[magnax1]

Best Euroleague teams would make the playoffs, some of them would make it to the second round, too.
I highly doubt that. With Euroleague rules? Maybe, but otherwise no way.

[KG5MVP]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: Nice joke.

he's a kobe fan, he has no common sense or logic, that's why he believes kobe > lebron

[IGOTGAME]

People on this board have no concept of the talent level in Euro-league.

[elementally morale]

I highly doubt that. With Euroleague rules? Maybe, but otherwise no way.

Euro players look strange to the average American, but actually a lot of them are a lot better than given credit for. Think of players like:

Sabonis
Divac
Kukoc
Radja
Paspalj
Petrovic
Gallis
Fassoulas
Yannakis

They all look a bit strange and were all pretty good. And it was 20+ years ago. There is no way for me to prove it, but I'm pretty sure if the to 4 Euroleague teams had 2 seasons to prepare in the NBA, in the 3rd year all would make the playoffs.

[winwin]

Best Euroleague teams would make the playoffs, some of them would make it to the second round, too.
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[magnax1]

Euro players look strange to the average American, but actually a lot of them are a lot better than given credit for. Think of players like:

Sabonis
Divac
Kukoc
Radja
Paspalj
Petrovic
Gallis
Fassoulas
Yannakis

They all look a bit strange and were all pretty good. And it was 20+ years ago. There is no way for me to prove it, but I'm pretty sure if the to 4 Euroleague teams had 2 seasons to prepare in the NBA, in the 3rd year all would make the playoffs.
Well, I know there are great Euro players, but guys like Gallis just don't fit in the NBA style, and that's the way a lot of Euro guys are, and there are NBA guys like that too (and that's why the US sometimes struggles in the olympics)
Also brings me too the problem with NCAA. The rules are different enough that some of the best players just don't fit within the NBA rules. It's not the size differences or athleticism or whatever, it's just that shooters and other roles really excel within NCAA rules and aren't as important to the NBA.

[IGOTGAME]

Well, I know there are great Euro players, but guys like Gallis just don't fit in the NBA style, and that's the way a lot of Euro guys are, and there are NBA guys like that too (and that's why the US sometimes struggles in the olympics)
Also brings me too the problem with NCAA. The rules are different enough that some of the best players just don't fit within the NBA rules. It's not the size differences or athleticism or whatever, it's just that shooters and other roles really excel within NCAA rules and aren't as important to the NBA.

I think is more that they don't fit in with the American style of play not that they don't fit in with the NBA rules. If you take a full top Euroleague team and put them in the NBA then they will suceed. But if you split up all the same players from that team then they probably would not....at least not to the same degree

[Grim]

Euro >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> D-League >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NCAA

No matter how good some NCAA players CAN be, they are still 18-21 year olds who play against hugely diluted competition.

D-League.... look at the list of players the D-league sent to the NBA.

Euro-league has sent some stellar players to the NBA.
:cheers:

[Grim]

Best D-league player to make it to the NBA is like Smush Parker. Good players don't get sent to the D-league.
Ben Wallace nicca.

[Psileas]

When it comes to Euroleague vs D-League, it's not just a matter of talent (which Euroleague has plenty). Do they play/are they allowed to play any defense in D-League or do they use the same garbage rules the NBA uses? Is this a league dominated by coaches or a league where players have the upper hand, as in most of the NBA teams? If the answers are "NBA defensive rules"+"emphasis on players, not coaches", then I definitely pick the Euroleague over the D-League.

Of course, the NBA is unquestionably the best.
I don't like adding the NCAA in the equation, because of the huge differences of level between top and average/bottom teams. Every season, the top NCAA teams post records like 32-2, 30-4 or at times even better, which is not an indication of a really competitive regular season. The NCAA tournament is another story.

[Borat_Sagdyev]

Just watch this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zijh7EAAH6g&feature=related
:bowdown:
Europe>NCAA>D-League
Very often the D-League stars in Europe looks poor.

[KB2clutch]

you guise know that top ncaa teams all have nba level talent right? top 5 teams in ncaa would absolutely rape any euroleague team if both teams went all out, i can promise you that, best players on the euroleague teams would carrying the luggage of the best players on ncaa teams if they both played in the nba

[Borat_Sagdyev]

Best example:
Brandon Jennings Euroleague 2008-09 in Lottomatica Roma (loser team 7W/9L)
19.4 MPG, 7.6 PPG, 1.6 RPG, 1.6 APG, 1.2 SPG, 0.268 3P%.
http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?seasoncode=E2008&pcode=001219
NBA 2009-10 in Bucks (playoffs team 46W/36L)
32.6 MPG, 15.5 PPG, 3.4 RPG, 5.7 APG, 1.3 SPG, 0.374 3P%.

[Euroleague]

The best players of the last 3 years in the D-League could not last more than 1-2 weeks before getting cut in Europe.

The Euroleague is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


D-League.

[Euroleague]

umm every player on the those teams that get significant minutes will play on euroleague teams and possibly be the best player on the team, than you include the nba talent, plus the potential nba stars and you're telling me they'll lose to a bunch of players who wanted to play in the nba but dont have the talent and settled for hte euroleague?

WTF is this bull shit?

The best players to play in the D-League usually get cut from Euroleague teams and most of them can't even pass the tryouts.

The ONLY D-League player that has had any success in Euroleague in recent years is Alan Anderson. Other than that not one of them could even stay on a roster.

[Euroleague]

Well, I know there are great Euro players, but guys like Gallis just don't fit in the NBA style, and that's the way a lot of Euro guys are, and there are NBA guys like that too (and that's why the US sometimes struggles in the olympics)
Also brings me too the problem with NCAA. The rules are different enough that some of the best players just don't fit within the NBA rules. It's not the size differences or athleticism or whatever, it's just that shooters and other roles really excel within NCAA rules and aren't as important to the NBA.

NBA rules are much easier. The NBA has much less defense. If you can score in Euroleague you can score more in the NBA.

[Euroleague]

you guise know that top ncaa teams all have nba level talent right? top 5 teams in ncaa would absolutely rape any euroleague team if both teams went all out, i can promise you that, best players on the euroleague teams would carrying the luggage of the best players on ncaa teams if they both played in the nba

You are retarded.

[wang4three]

Euroleague, NCAA, D-League.

[Jon_Koncak]

WTF is this bull shit?

The best players to play in the D-League usually get cut from Euroleague teams and most of them can't even pass the tryouts.

The ONLY D-League player that has had any success in Euroleague in recent years is Alan Anderson. Other than that not one of them could even stay on a roster.

Malik Hairston says hi.

[Clutch]

Euroleague > D-League > NCAA

[Euroleague]

Malik Hairston says hi.

He came from the NBA, not the D-League. People are talking about players currently in the D-League.

Anyway, Hairston is a great player but he has not had a good season. He has had 2 good games. So actually Hairston's 2 good games says high.

You don't have a point either, because anyone that has Hairston as a D-League player does not know basketball.

Did you know that guys like Morris Almond were tearing up the D-League and many such other examples of such scrubs that get cut in Europe that were the best in the D-League?

Seriously, in all honesty the best college teams would wipe the floor with your average D-League team.

Watch the D-League some time. The way you make your comments about big men in Eurocup and A1..............yeah try 30 and 20 EVERY game from any decent European center if they were in D-League.

[Lebron23]

Euroleague > NBA D-League > NCAA

[bingo123]

let the ncaa all americans train together for a month and theyll run shit at teh olympics

You mean like the NBA stars did in olympics 2004 and WC 2006?


Euroleague>>>>>D-league>>NCAA

[LEFT4DEAD]

Euroleague




D League

NCAA

LOL at thinkig D league is anywhere near Euroleague. Euroleague have some really good teams: Barcelona, Panathinaikos, Caja, Real M, Partizan, CSKA, Olympiakos and so on. Lot of ex nba players and great european players who could easily be in some starting lineups or as great role players in any NBA team are there.

[tgan3]

umm every player on the those teams that get significant minutes will play on euroleague teams and possibly be the best player on the team, than you include the nba talent, plus the potential nba stars and you're telling me they'll lose to a bunch of players who wanted to play in the nba but dont have the talent and settled for hte euroleague?

:no:

You are forgetting the age/experience difference. Euroleague teams have players who played pro ball for many seasons. NCAA teams are just not going to hang with them.

Its like you can get the top 15 rookie draft picks assembled in a team, but they will still lose to any decent experienced NBA team.

[vinvin01]

Euroleague is miles ahead of D-League in term of level :rockon:

Don't get me wrong, there's a lot of talent in the D-League, but it's just a bunch of guys who want to play in the NBA and so play 1on1 offense without ever thinking about passing the ball to the big guys. It's basically streetball with more talented players.

I mean, does anybody even care which team wins the game at the end ? :lol

[SpanishACB]

kentucky, north carolina, duke, ohio state would destroy any euroleague team with out a doubt in my mind

Of course you have no doubt in your mind, there's no room for anything in there.

You have no idea, and the logical step would have been not to post and stick to Kobe vs Lebron threads you can make posts based on what you hear kids talk in school.

But when it comes to this, what exactly is your goal making this post? Is your family done supporting you that you need to manifest your handicap in hopes some rich *** finds you cute enough to have you suck his **** for a bed?

Please.

[gabepizza]

I would say Euroleague but not by much. I use to think Euroleague is the 2nd best league in the world by far but year by year I am starting to have my doubts. I mean any league that has Derrick Brown as MVP for the month...a whole month can't be that much better than D-league can it?

Also a big turning point in my opinion was the Greece vs Nigeria game in 2012. Team Greece was basically the Euroleague champions with the Euroleague mvp and final four MVP Spanoulis and they lost to a team of NBA rejects/D-league level players in Nigeria. I know it's only "one" game but it wasn't a meaningless exhibition game, it was a single game elimination representing your country to qualify for the Olympics. The biggest game in most of the players lives.

After that game I realized that the skill level in Euroleague is a lot closer to national leagues (Chinese League, Italian League, ACB, Puerto Rican League, even the D-League) then it is to the NBA.

I mean just look how team USA dealt with Nigeria.

[BoutPractice]

The Euroleague is the second best major professional basketball league in the world; the D-League is a minor professional league; the NCAA organizes amateur competitions. There shouldn't really be a debate.

[Euroleague]

I would say Euroleague but not by much. I use to think Euroleague is the 2nd best league in the world by far but year by year I am starting to have my doubts. I mean any league that has Derrick Brown as MVP for the month...a whole month can't be that much better than D-league can it?

Also a big turning point in my opinion was the Greece vs Nigeria game in 2012. Team Greece was basically the Euroleague champions with the Euroleague mvp and final four MVP Spanoulis and they lost to a team of NBA rejects/D-league level players in Nigeria. I know it's only "one" game but it wasn't a meaningless exhibition game, it was a single game elimination representing your country to qualify for the Olympics. The biggest game in most of the players lives.

After that game I realized that the skill level in Euroleague is a lot closer to national leagues (Chinese League, Italian League, ACB, Puerto Rican League, even the D-League) then it is to the NBA.

I mean just look how team USA dealt with Nigeria.

Lowest IQ in the forum right there.

[Psileas]

Euroleague would beat NCAA teams just because of maturation due to older players, but D-League teams could definitely hang with them:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AAl37bofQQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0R0VrcsXK8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWqenOWsYyw&feature=related

The quality of play is not impressive, and the worst NBA team would smash anything they could offer.

This is an old topic, but I want to comment that the Euroleague is not a highlight machine, like the NBA is, which means that plays like these, which are called "highlights", do not generally differ from the normal plays of a game. It's funny how you say that "the worst NBA team would smash anything they could offer", yet the best Euroleague teams' players can perform like 8-10 passes within the same possession and find each other with eyes closed in order to find the best shooting option, while the worst NBA teams struggle to keep the ball from going in the stands when they have to perform more than 2-3 passes and lots of plays end up with a shot jacked from a random position with like 12'' remaining on the clock.

[Owl]

Well firstly there are different things, whether you're comparing player calibre (and if that whether you're comparing the elites or top to bottom or team performance (in which factors such as continuity play a role).

Euroleague comes out tops. It has some players who could play in the NBA but choose not to (because they make more money in Europe). The teams practice together and because it's competitive rather than a feeder league the rosters are relatively stable. Also because it's a qualified for tournament you're generally getting the cream of the crop, not lesser national teams.

D-League is next, featuring younger would-be NBA players. But because it's a feeder league and players can get called up (or assigned) the rosters aren't stable, and coaching may be as much about player development as creating a cohesive unit (and where a specific system is taught it may be). Those who don't quite make the NBA will often end up playing in Europe (as many of the last few D-League MVPs are).

Then NCAA. Not all good enough to be pros. Huge disparity between the top and bottom, especially if not just talking D1 ball. Some elite talent (future lottery picks and NBA stars) . Given that the best players are now forced to play one year in the NCAA it makes for even less continuity as the top players are almost inevitably only passing through.

[gabepizza]

http://http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/x/pot-calling-kettle-black-9416841.jpg
Lowest IQ in the forum right there.

Ain't that the pot calling the kettle black.

[Dr.J4ever]

I think the Euroleague has the best TEAMS while the NCAA has the best players(in potential) and the Dleague fills up the occasional roster spot in the NBA.

[Euroleague]

I think the Euroleague has the best TEAMS while the NCAA has the best players(in potential) and the Dleague fills up the occasional roster spot in the NBA.

Correction, the lowest IQ in the forum right there.

[SpanishACB]

This is an old topic, but I want to comment that the Euroleague is not a highlight machine, like the NBA is, which means that plays like these, which are called "highlights", do not generally differ from the normal plays of a game. It's funny how you say that "the worst NBA team would smash anything they could offer", yet the best Euroleague teams' players can perform like 8-10 passes within the same possession and find each other with eyes closed in order to find the best shooting option, while the worst NBA teams struggle to keep the ball from going in the stands when they have to perform more than 2-3 passes and lots of plays end up with a shot jacked from a random position with like 12'' remaining on the clock.

video to ilustrate his point:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bAmb-Tccmk

[SpanishACB]

I think the Euroleague has the best TEAMS while the NCAA has the best players(in potential) and the Dleague fills up the occasional roster spot in the NBA.

what does that even mean?

You take the best 5 Euroleague players and the 5 best NCAA players, no coaching. The European team whipes floor.

About the potential? What is that based off? Statistics? Do you realize the International "rookie" team (mostly europeans) never loses against the USA rookies (Nike summit)? Sure some of the top prospect miss that (not that many) but you cannot take such a small sample to make a comparison. You aren't comparing the Magic Johnsons and Michael Jordans. There's also your greg Odens and Michael Beasleys, have you forgotten? How many high euro draft picks have been a bust in comparison? You do that then come with a better opinion. There's only so much athletism can bring you and coaching in Europe is the number one priority, players come better prepared for the craft even though that might not be enough to succeed in the NBA's brand of basketball.

Likewise, there's nothing stopping Euroleague talent from being drafted up high (like it has happened for many years straight now, and will continue to be so)

bottom line, you're wrong, need to build opinions not just post them because you have a button that says reply

[Dr.J4ever]

what does that even mean?

You take the best 5 Euroleague players and the 5 best NCAA players, no coaching. The European team whipes floor.

About the potential? What is that based off? Statistics? Do you realize the International "rookie" team (mostly europeans) never loses against the USA rookies (Nike summit)? Sure some of the top prospect miss that (not that many) but you cannot take such a small sample to make a comparison. You aren't comparing the Magic Johnsons and Michael Jordans. There's also your greg Odens and Michael Beasleys, have you forgotten? How many high euro draft picks have been a bust in comparison? You do that then come with a better opinion. There's only so much athletism can bring you and coaching in Europe is the number one priority, players come better prepared for the craft even though that might not be enough to succeed in the NBA's brand of basketball.

Likewise, there's nothing stopping Euroleague talent from being drafted up high (like it has happened for many years straight now, and will continue to be so)

bottom line, you're wrong, need to build opinions not just post them because you have a button that says reply
LOL...This is really a no-brainer. Of course the best players in the world come from the NCAA. This is a fact since the majority of NBA players came from the NCAA at some point in time. Heck, Team USA is comprised of almost exclusively NCAA players at one point in time. NCAA players at this time may not always be the best in the world, but given time(potential and ceiling) , they eventually dominate in the NBA, and the whole world.

Can you even dispute the fact that the US DOMINATES world basketball, and it's players come almost exclusively from the NCAA? LOL.

BTW, the US dominated the recent Tournaments for the younger players? I forgot the name of the Tournament where US won Gold beating Serbia in the Gold Medal Game. ...Anyway:roll:

[SpanishACB]

LOL...This is really a no-brainer. Of course the best players in the world come from the NCAA. This is a fact since the majority of NBA players came from the NCAA at some point in time. Heck, Team USA is comprised of almost exclusively NCAA players at one point in time. NCAA players at this time may not always be the best in the world, but given time(potential and ceiling) , they eventually dominate in the NBA, and the whole world.

Can you even dispute the fact that the US DOMINATES world basketball, and it's players come almost exclusively from the NCAA? LOL.

BTW, the US dominated the recent Tournaments for the younger players? I forgot the name of the Tournament where US won Gold beating Serbia in the Gold Medal Game. ...Anyway:roll:

It seems you get really confused with words I'm going to try to break it up for you:

NCAA's Michael Jordan is not NBA's Michael Jordan. The latter would destroy European opposition however the young one would struggle it would be literally kids against men, that was my point, stick to it.

Likewise, Olympics are for grown up men and I specifically bolded the part where you talk about NCAA and potential, highlighting that in every Nike Summit (hosted in USA, under NBA rules) the International Rookie team has won year after year and in fact I don't think USA has ever won. And this ain't down to talent, this is down to the fact kids in Europe go through better coaching regimes from a younger age and are much more prepared in fundamentals and general craft, this doesn't mean they'll end up being better players, work only gets you so far (likewise talent).

Of course there is bound to be more good players in the draft from America but that's only based on the sample base (more interest in Basketball across all USA aswell as money to deveolop it and a scout bias by nature (there's bond to be more eyes on USA talent if scouts are for USA teams duh)) but that doesn't make the talent better per capita. Re-read my post and if you feel you can answer in a contributing way please do so but do not twist your original arguments to fit a completely new and void point.

[duskovujosevic]

lets just look at the leagues overall.
D-league is for NBA scrubs and few who can make in couple of years.
NCAA is for college kids who play without serious competiotion and specific pressure like EL players have
Euroleague is the real deal. Teams have decades of tradition. Best coaches, greatest, craziest and loudest fans. Majority of teams play like SAS and Greg Popovich. Coach is the master. PLayers are servants. There are no stars who can jack 20 shots per game. Deep rotation, offensive sets like in the NBA. Defensive sets, zones 2-3, 3-2, 1-3-1, the combination man to man zone to man are common for majority of teams

[Euroleague]

LOL...This is really a no-brainer. Of course the best players in the world come from the NCAA. This is a fact since the majority of NBA players came from the NCAA at some point in time. Heck, Team USA is comprised of almost exclusively NCAA players at one point in time. NCAA players at this time may not always be the best in the world, but given time(potential and ceiling) , they eventually dominate in the NBA, and the whole world.

Can you even dispute the fact that the US DOMINATES world basketball, and it's players come almost exclusively from the NCAA? LOL.

BTW, the US dominated the recent Tournaments for the younger players? I forgot the name of the Tournament where US won Gold beating Serbia in the Gold Medal Game. ...Anyway:roll:

No words to describe how stupid you are.

Saying NCAA players are better than Euroleague players.............


Hey everyone, we now OFFICIALLY KNOW who Coach Nick (from YouTube) is on this forum.

[IncarceratedBob]

The only reason the euro league exists is because Europeans mostly ****in suck at basketball. Take the best euro players now and most don't make any impact in the NBA. They remind me of the competition Wilt faced. Slow white dudes with no actual skill

[Andrew Wiggins]

d-league isn't a competitive league, the name says it clearly - DEVELOPMENTAL league

players don't play there to win but to show themselves to nba teams in hopes of getting a call up. of course, a lot of top d-league guys have gone to europe and made a lot of money

probably 1% of ncaa players play professionally, most careers end as student athletes

[Andrew Wiggins]

It seems you get really confused with words I'm going to try to break it up for you:

NCAA's Michael Jordan is not NBA's Michael Jordan. The latter would destroy European opposition however the young one would struggle it would be literally kids against men, that was my point, stick to it.

Likewise, Olympics are for grown up men and I specifically bolded the part where you talk about NCAA and potential, highlighting that in every Nike Summit (hosted in USA, under NBA rules) the International Rookie team has won year after year and in fact I don't think USA has ever won. And this ain't down to talent, this is down to the fact kids in Europe go through better coaching regimes from a younger age and are much more prepared in fundamentals and general craft, this doesn't mean they'll end up being better players, work only gets you so far (likewise talent).

Of course there is bound to be more good players in the draft from America but that's only based on the sample base (more interest in Basketball across all USA aswell as money to deveolop it and a scout bias by nature (there's bond to be more eyes on USA talent if scouts are for USA teams duh)) but that doesn't make the talent better per capita. Re-read my post and if you feel you can answer in a contributing way please do so but do not twist your original arguments to fit a completely new and void point.

don't kid yourself

[SpanishACB]

don't kid yourself

Spain has roughly the same population as California and they compete with the so called Basketball country. Don't you think Spain would beat team California?

And Spain has amongst the lowest height averages in Europe so they work with what they have which isn't much.

Assuming that Soccer, Motor Sports and Tennis are more popular in Spain than Basketball it really puts my argument into shape.

There's no such a thing as higher talent birth rate in USA than in other places. It's the youth coaching and sports cultre, interest in the sport and genetics (to a lower extent) that influences the talent pool of a contry. There's plenty Kobe Bryant's in the world that will never touch a basket ball. However there's a bigger chance of them popping up in the states because the sheer amount of people practicing the sport, its popularity and the coaching culture and facilities surrounding it (NCAA, draft etc)

But then you have to wonder how can a country like Spain even compete when their talent pool is incredibly lower? Because the coaching and team sports culture is on a completely different level. Simple as. And that's why the international team rapes the USA team at Nike Summit, year after year. Better fundamentals, better use of talent pool per capita. Then they jump to the NBA and the story obviously changes but that's not my point because it goes without saying that it's the best basketbtall league there is.

How exactly am I kidding myself again bro?

[Andrew Wiggins]

Spain has roughly the same population as California and they compete with the so called Basketball country. Don't you think Spain would beat team California?

And Spain has amongst the lowest height averages in Europe so they work with what they have which isn't much.

Assuming that Soccer, Motor Sports and Tennis are more popular in Spain than Basketball it really puts my argument into shape.

There's no such a thing as higher talent birth rate in USA than in other places. It's the youth coaching and sports cultre, interest in the sport and genetics (to a lower extent) that influences the talent pool of a contry. There's plenty Kobe Bryant's in the world that will never touch a basket ball. However there's a bigger chance of them popping up in the states because the sheer amount of people practicing the sport, its popularity and the coaching culture and facilities surrounding it (NCAA, draft etc)

But then you have to wonder how can a country like Spain even compete when their talent pool is incredibly lower? Because the coaching and team sports culture is on a completely different level. Simple as. And that's why the international team rapes the USA team at Nike Summit, year after year. Better fundamentals, better use of talent pool per capita. Then they jump to the NBA and the story obviously changes but that's not my point because it goes without saying that it's the best basketbtall league there is.

How exactly am I kidding myself again bro?

first of all, sports like american football, football because of all the immigrants, baseball, are just as popular in that state as basketball

now look just some of the active players from california…
paul george
paul pierce
ray allen
kevin love
james harden
demar derozan
arron afflalo
jrue holiday
brook lopez
damian lillard

most of those guys would be the GOAT spanish player at their position, so yeah, per capita, california shits on spain when it comes to producing top basketball players. the usa is 10-6 against the world team in the hoops summit you clueless twit. :lol

like i said, don't kid yourself

[Purch]

It's probably hard to understand what I mean by this, but when watching both College ball and Euroleague, I get the feeling that I'd prefer to get my stars from college and role players from Euroleague.


I remember Pops quotes about international players.

[QUOTE]
Pop

[SpanishACB]

It's probably hard to understand what I mean by this, but when watching both College ball and Euroleague, I get the feeling that I'd prefer to get my stars from college and role players from Euroleague.


I remember Pops quotes about international players.

In Europe, if the PG doesn't find an open player whilst he's open hes basically commiting a turn over. But it basically applies to all positions not only PG.

It's the youth coach culture.

USA would be even more superior if they adopted a similar approach to the game. But I guess if it ain't broke...

I remember an early Calderon interview (barely after joining the NBA) where he talked about the term "Extra pass", he basically said, "

[Andrew Wiggins]

[QUOTE=SpanishACB]In Europe, if the PG doesn't find an open player whilst he's open hes basically commiting a turn over. But it basically applies to all positions not only PG.

It's the youth coach culture.

USA would be even more superior if they adopted a similar approach to the game. But I guess if it ain't broke...

I remember an early Calderon interview (barely after joining the NBA) where he talked about the term "Extra pass", he basically said, "

[GOATbrook]

In Europe, if the PG doesn't find an open player whilst he's open hes basically commiting a turn over. But it basically applies to all positions not only PG.

Player gets benched if he doesn't pass to open player in EL. That's fact.

[Purch]

lulz, i like you glossed over my post because i refuted every point you tried make

i live in europe but it's clueless to say that americans easily produce the best players in all facets of the game. for every derrick rose and russell westbrook there are complete point guards like chris paul and deron williams. for every athletic, selfish wing player there is a versatile, great passing forward andre iguodala and lebron james
Actually there might be some truth to that. I think the stat would be more like, for every Chris Paul/Lebron James, there's 20 nba d leaguers who never learned how to play team basketball, in college.

I remember this

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=48g4vQpcGks&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D48g4vQpcGks

[Andrew Wiggins]

Actually there might be some truth to that. I think the stat would be more like, for every Chris Paul/Lebron James, there's 20 nba d leaguers who never learned how to play team basketball, in college.

I remember this

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=48g4vQpcGks&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D48g4vQpcGks

i'm talking about at the elite level of the game not the garbage d-league. i live in europe and there's a lot of selfish, shoot first european players too. look no further than mirza teletovic when he was over here.

[Purch]

i'm talking about at the elite level of the game not the garbage d-league.
Oh, carry on then

[Dr.J4ever]

It seems you get really confused with words I'm going to try to break it up for you:

NCAA's Michael Jordan is not NBA's Michael Jordan. The latter would destroy European opposition however the young one would struggle it would be literally kids against men, that was my point, stick to it.

Likewise, Olympics are for grown up men and I specifically bolded the part where you talk about NCAA and potential, highlighting that in every Nike Summit (hosted in USA, under NBA rules) the International Rookie team has won year after year and in fact I don't think USA has ever won. And this ain't down to talent, this is down to the fact kids in Europe go through better coaching regimes from a younger age and are much more prepared in fundamentals and general craft, this doesn't mean they'll end up being better players, work only gets you so far (likewise talent).

Of course there is bound to be more good players in the draft from America but that's only based on the sample base (more interest in Basketball across all USA aswell as money to deveolop it and a scout bias by nature (there's bond to be more eyes on USA talent if scouts are for USA teams duh)) but that doesn't make the talent better per capita. Re-read my post and if you feel you can answer in a contributing way please do so but do not twist your original arguments to fit a completely new and void point.
Didn't you see what I originally said? I said the best players in the world come from the NCAA and I said "IN POTENTIAL AND IN CEILING". Geez, you Europeans are so sensitive that you can't think straight. It is absolutely true that the best players eventually are almost all NCAA PLAYERS. At the moment, they are not always the best due to lack of experience, but EVENTUALLY they dominate.

Is that really so hard to understand? The Eagles just lost so I am not in a good mood.

[ZenMaster]

Didn't you see what I originally said? I said the best players in the world come from the NCAA and I said "IN POTENTIAL AND IN CEILING". Geez, you Europeans are so sensitive that you can't think straight. It is absolutely true that the best players eventually are almost all NCAA PLAYERS. At the moment, they are not always the best due to lack of experience, but EVENTUALLY they dominate.

Is that really so hard to understand? The Eagles just lost so I am not in a good mood.

How many are "almost all"?

20% of the NBA is foreigners, a lot of who didn't come from NCAA.

Then you have to consider the fact that NBA has about 450 players, but those 450 players are never the top 450 of the world.

There are always European players not in the NBA because they make more money in Europe.
For example Pablo Prigioni who's now one of the about 450 NBA players very late in his career, you think he was a worse player 3-10 years ago than today?

[Euroleague]

Spain has roughly the same population as California and they compete with the so called Basketball country. Don't you think Spain would beat team California?

And Spain has amongst the lowest height averages in Europe so they work with what they have which isn't much.

Assuming that Soccer, Motor Sports and Tennis are more popular in Spain than Basketball it really puts my argument into shape.

There's no such a thing as higher talent birth rate in USA than in other places. It's the youth coaching and sports cultre, interest in the sport and genetics (to a lower extent) that influences the talent pool of a contry. There's plenty Kobe Bryant's in the world that will never touch a basket ball. However there's a bigger chance of them popping up in the states because the sheer amount of people practicing the sport, its popularity and the coaching culture and facilities surrounding it (NCAA, draft etc)

But then you have to wonder how can a country like Spain even compete when their talent pool is incredibly lower? Because the coaching and team sports culture is on a completely different level. Simple as. And that's why the international team rapes the USA team at Nike Summit, year after year. Better fundamentals, better use of talent pool per capita. Then they jump to the NBA and the story obviously changes but that's not my point because it goes without saying that it's the best basketbtall league there is.

How exactly am I kidding myself again bro?

The international team has recently been beating the USA at the Nike Hoops Summit because it is a world team. You can't compare a WORLD team to national teams.

If the senior Team USA ever had to play against a World Team they would probably get beat in most of the games. They only ever play against single individual countries.
The Nike Hoops Summit is a WORLD TEAM.

They are not playing against Lithuania, Greece, Spain, China, Australia, Russia, Croatia, Serbia, individually - they are playing against the rest of the planet combined.

Is this really THAT FREAKING HARD to comprehend?

Put any senior Team USA against a world selection and they will lose most of the games also.

[Euroleague]

lulz, i like you glossed over my post because i refuted every point you tried make

i live in europe but it's clueless to say that americans easily produce the best players in all facets of the game. for every derrick rose and russell westbrook there are complete point guards like chris paul and deron williams. for every athletic, selfish wing player there is a versatile, great passing forward andre iguodala and lebron james

:facepalm

[Euroleague]

Didn't you see what I originally said? I said the best players in the world come from the NCAA and I said "IN POTENTIAL AND IN CEILING". Geez, you Europeans are so sensitive that you can't think straight. It is absolutely true that the best players eventually are almost all NCAA PLAYERS. At the moment, they are not always the best due to lack of experience, but EVENTUALLY they dominate.

Is that really so hard to understand? The Eagles just lost so I am not in a good mood.

You said that NCAA has better players than Euroleague. I played in NCAA DI. I can tell you that about 1-2 percent of the guys in that level are capable of ever making it to a Euroleague roster and less than 1 percent, MAYBE at MOST half of one percent, are capable of making a career in the Euroleague.

You are absolutely out of your freaking mind.

It is absolutely not uncommon to go to the main city park where guys play basketball in a city and hoop all day and find 2-3 guys that are just casual park ballers that can shit on most Division I players and I am dead serious.

yet those same guys would be dead meat in Euroleague. You are so delusional, that you are absolutely clinically psychotic.

[Euroleague]

How many are "almost all"?

20% of the NBA is foreigners, a lot of who didn't come from NCAA.

Then you have to consider the fact that NBA has about 450 players, but those 450 players are never the top 450 of the world.

There are always European players not in the NBA because they make more money in Europe.
For example Pablo Prigioni who's now one of the about 450 NBA players very late in his career, you think he was a worse player 3-10 years ago than today?

According to Dr.J4ever and gabepizza, the worst player in the NBA is better than the best player in the Euroleague, even to quote them directly "vastly superior".

They think the worst player in the NBA (#450) is "vastly superior" to the best player in Europe. Because, again to quote them directly, "otherwise they would be for sure without any question playing in the NBA"................again to quote them directly, "because they would make about 10 times more money if they played in the NBA".

Oh, and about Prigioni, gabepizza has claimed in this forum dozens and dozens of times, whenever me and Fiba pointed out to him that he was many years past his prime (in fact getting cut from every team he played on in Europe recently) ............

gabepizza has claimed here dozens of times in response that this is "a lie" and that "he was in his prime" and that "he was without any question one of the elite and premiere point guards in Euroleague in his last season in the Euroleague".

To which, Dr.J4ever, has claimed EVERY TIME that when gabepizza makes these claims, and I quote directly, "gabepizza only speaks the truth here and only backs up his claims with facts, and he proves everything he says to be FACT and TRUTH."


That's how nuts these guys are.

[Dr.J4ever]

The international team has recently been beating the USA at the Nike Hoops Summit because it is a world team. You can't compare a WORLD team to national teams.

If the senior Team USA ever had to play against a World Team they would probably get beat in most of the games. They only ever play against single individual countries.
The Nike Hoops Summit is a WORLD TEAM.

They are not playing against Lithuania, Greece, Spain, China, Australia, Russia, Croatia, Serbia, individually - they are playing against the rest of the planet combined.

Is this really THAT FREAKING HARD to comprehend?

Put any senior Team USA against a world selection and they will lose most of the games also.
You actually make sense here. Wow:applause:

[Dr.J4ever]

According to Dr.J4ever and gabepizza, the worst player in the NBA is better than the best player in the Euroleague, even to quote them directly "vastly superior".

They think the worst player in the NBA (#450) is "vastly superior" to the best player in Europe. Because, again to quote them directly, "otherwise they would be for sure without any question playing in the NBA"................again to quote them directly, "because they would make about 10 times more money of they played in the NBA".



That's how nuts these guys are.
See, this is why you are the resident troll on ISH, and this is common knowledge. You are making us say things we never said. I never said the 450 or so NBA players are the best 450 in the world. I don't believe that. I said the BEST players in the world are mostly from the NCAA, at least at one point in their careers. To repeat, I said the best players in the world, or most of the best players have at one time or another come from the NCAA.

This is really undeniable.

[Euroleague]

See, this is why you are the resident troll on ISH, and this is common knowledge. You are making us say things we never said. I never said the 450 or so NBA players are the best 450 in the world. I don't believe that. I said the BEST players in the world are mostly from the NCAA, at least at one point in their careers. To repeat, I said the best players in the world, or most of the best players have at one time or another come from the NCAA.

This is really undeniable.

The pathological liar strikes again.

I bet you and Gabe have Simon and Garfunkel's song The Boxer (lie la lie) as your life's theme song.

[russwest0]

The pathological liar strikes again.

I bet you and Gabe have Simon and Garfunkel's song lie, lie, lie as your life's theme song.

Yo, man the f*ck up right now.

Are you Ming_7_6 or not.

[SpanishACB]

lulz, i like you glossed over my post because i refuted every point you tried make

i live in europe but it's clueless to say that americans easily produce the best players in all facets of the game. for every derrick rose and russell westbrook there are complete point guards like chris paul and deron williams. for every athletic, selfish wing player there is a versatile, great passing forward andre iguodala and lebron james

The thing is there is no point in arging with you. You give me a list of players (many of them past their peak, some of them not even ever good) and claim that they would beat team Spain who managed to compete against team USA with the current best Euroleague player in the world (Kevin Durant), they're not going to stand a chance with Kevin Love and Paul Pierce, but I can agree to disagree in that respect because it's all subjective.

My point still stands, of course USA generates more talent, but that's more because of the popularity of the sport and the talent pool (more people play the sport in USA) and if other countries where basketball is nowhere near as popular are able to compete it's all down to the coaching, to the team culture, which is light years ahead this "franchise model" which is only superior when it comes to making money, period.

We can go in circles all you want but it's really a no brainer.

[gabepizza]

Spain has roughly the same population as California and they compete with the so called Basketball country. Don't you think Spain would beat team California?

And Spain has amongst the lowest height averages in Europe so they work with what they have which isn't much.

Assuming that Soccer, Motor Sports and Tennis are more popular in Spain than Basketball it really puts my argument into shape.

There's no such a thing as higher talent birth rate in USA than in other places. It's the youth coaching and sports cultre, interest in the sport and genetics (to a lower extent) that influences the talent pool of a contry. There's plenty Kobe Bryant's in the world that will never touch a basket ball. However there's a bigger chance of them popping up in the states because the sheer amount of people practicing the sport, its popularity and the coaching culture and facilities surrounding it (NCAA, draft etc)

But then you have to wonder how can a country like Spain even compete when their talent pool is incredibly lower? Because the coaching and team sports culture is on a completely different level. Simple as. And that's why the international team rapes the USA team at Nike Summit, year after year. Better fundamentals, better use of talent pool per capita. Then they jump to the NBA and the story obviously changes but that's not my point because it goes without saying that it's the best basketbtall league there is.

How exactly am I kidding myself again bro?

Ummm...what are you talking about?

The US is 10-6 against the international team in the Nike Summits, including 8-3 out of the last 11 (and 1 of those 3 victories for the international team they were led by Wiggins who is a product of the American system not European)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nike_Hoop_Summit

Now were you just misinformed or a you a poster like Euroleague who posts bold face lies hoping no one fact checks you?
:confusedshrug:

[fandarko]

Best college teams would be lucky to lose less then 30 by teams like Barcelona or Panathinaikos,same goes for any D-League team,I mean bunch of kids against profesional teams which have ex NBA,or players who can held their own against best of NBA in international competition,and someone can argue they are better?? c'm son,you are better then that:facepalm

They would lose by 30 in average.

Grown men against college kids in a dilluted NCAA?

Under European rules?

30 points in average, at least.

[fandarko]

kentucky, north carolina, duke, ohio state would destroy any euroleague team with out a doubt in my mind

They wouldn't win a single game.

Probably lose by 20-40 pts.

If you aren't joking, you don't really have a clue.

[Dr.J4ever]

Ummm...what are you talking about?

The US is 10-6 against the international team in the Nike Summits, including 8-3 out of the last 11 (and 1 of those 3 victories for the international team they were led by Wiggins who is a product of the American system not European)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nike_Hoop_Summit

Now were you just misinformed or a you a poster like Euroleague who posts bold face lies hoping no one fact checks you?
:confusedshrug:

Good find. I said in one of my posts that these Euros are too sensitive and, ahem, ...inaccurate as opposed to Euroleague, who just flat out lies. Spanish ACB looks honest so I say he's misinformed. At least, I hope so.

[fandarko]

you guise know that top ncaa teams all have nba level talent right? top 5 teams in ncaa would absolutely rape any euroleague team if both teams went all out, i can promise you that, best players on the euroleague teams would carrying the luggage of the best players on ncaa teams if they both played in the nba

How old are you?

Have you ever travelled outside your city?

Have you ever watched an Euroleague game on TV, let alone in an arena?

[fandarko]

The only reason the euro league exists is because Europeans mostly ****in suck at basketball. Take the best euro players now and most don't make any impact in the NBA. They remind me of the competition Wilt faced. Slow white dudes with no actual skill

Slow white dudes?

The Euroleague is far more physical than the NBA.

Less athletic, but not much less.

Go watch the highlights on Euroleague.com, not much difference compared to the NBA highlights.

A lot of white dudes performing super athletic plays (black guys too).

[ukballer]

You said that NCAA has better players than Euroleague. I played in NCAA DI. I can tell you that about 1-2 percent of the guys in that level are capable of ever making it to a Euroleague roster and less than 1 percent, MAYBE at MOST half of one percent, are capable of making a career in the Euroleague.

You are absolutely out of your freaking mind.

It is absolutely not uncommon to go to the main city park where guys play basketball in a city and hoop all day and find 2-3 guys that are just casual park ballers that can shit on most Division I players and I am dead serious.

yet those same guys would be dead meat in Euroleague. You are so delusional, that you are absolutely clinically psychotic.

http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/aPvgRgP_460sa.gif

[Euroleague]

Ummm...what are you talking about?

The US is 10-6 against the international team in the Nike Summits, including 8-3 out of the last 11 (and 1 of those 3 victories for the international team they were led by Wiggins who is a product of the American system not European)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nike_Hoop_Summit

Now were you just misinformed or a you a poster like Euroleague who posts bold face lies hoping no one fact checks you?
:confusedshrug:

The USA has lost the recent games, which is what he is talking about. FYI, since they changed the format of the tournament, the USA has not won.

Previously they only allowed the players from international to play that Nike and NBA scouts selected, then they changed it to allow players that Nike, NBA scouts, and some European scouts and coaches select that work for NBA teams ...........USA has not win a game since then.

That is what he is talking about genius.

In the two tournaments since it stopped being mainly another NBA marketing gimmick through Nike, and became a semi serious tournament, USA is 0-2.

Of course, as usual, facts and truth mean NOTHING to you.

[Euroleague]

They wouldn't win a single game.

Probably lose by 20-40 pts.

If you aren't joking, you don't really have a clue.

Let's see here, Greek national team in 2010 beat BYU (NCAA DI) by something like 50-60 points.

Then in 2013 they beat Florida State (NCAA D1) in 3 straight games.

In the first game, the main Greek team played them and they would not release the box score, because the reporters that covered the game said they won by like 70 points and it was too embarrassing for the college.

Then in the second game and third game the practice and training players and deep bench played and they won the 2nd game by something like 20 points and the third game by something like 8 points (it was just like the deep bench and training squad players).

Florida State was playing their main players 30-35 or more minutes in these games.

Now let's take this further...........

NCAA DI teams went 0-5 against Spanish 2nd division teams in 2011 and 0-5 also against them in 2012, then 0-3 against them in 2013. Combined record for NCAA D1 teams against Spanish 2nd Division the last 3 years is 0-13.

And yet, we have some clowns in this forum claiming that NCAA DI has better players than the freaking Euroleague..........

I mean there are probably only about something like 2-5 players in the Spanish 2nd Division that can play in the Euroleague at any given time.

And here we have these clowns telling us NCAA has better players than Euroleague.

[CavaliersFTW]

You said that NCAA has better players than Euroleague. I played in NCAA DI. I can tell you that about 1-2 percent of the guys in that level are capable of ever making it to a Euroleague roster and less than 1 percent, MAYBE at MOST half of one percent, are capable of making a career in the Euroleague.

You are absolutely out of your freaking mind.

It is absolutely not uncommon to go to the main city park where guys play basketball in a city and hoop all day and find 2-3 guys that are just casual park ballers that can shit on most Division I players and I am dead serious.

yet those same guys would be dead meat in Euroleague. You are so delusional, that you are absolutely clinically psychotic.
Is that so? What school? What position you play? What years did you play? Did you get minutes? If so, what kind of stats did you put up?

Give us some insight, friend :cheers:

You also once said you owned a million dollar property on another board under one of your many other alias's a while back so you must be a pretty all around successful guy. I'm happy for you. Please bless us with some of your NCAA D1 stories/experiences.

http://www.freewebspace.net/forums/images/smilies/emoticons/innocent0007.gif

[SpanishACB]

against Spanish 2nd Division the last 3 years is 0-13.[/B]



Because coaching.

Note that many players in the Spanish 2nd Division are semi-proffesionals and some of them do not even have a salary.

[Andrew Wiggins]

Because coaching.

Note that many players in the Spanish 2nd Division are semi-proffesionals and some of them do not even have a salary.

LOLWUT

i live in spain and know for a fact that the 2nd division is fully professional. guys can make over €100,000 a season in leb oro and even in leb plata (3rd division) some guys make up to €6000 a month

yet your username is spanishacb :roll:

[SpanishACB]

LOLWUT

i live in spain and know for a fact that the 2nd division is fully professional. guys can make over €100,000 a season in leb oro and even in leb plata (3rd division) some guys make up to €6000 a month

yet your username is spanishacb :roll:

the vast majority of Leb Oro players are currently earning the same a train driver gets a year. 30K after taxes. There are players with 100k, even a couple with 200k, but we're talking about the player mass not the chosen ones.

It's only a thousand times less than Kobe Bryant.

[Dr.J4ever]

Let's see here, Greek national team in 2010 beat BYU (NCAA DI) by something like 50-60 points.

Then in 2013 they beat Florida State (NCAA D1) in 3 straight games.

In the first game, the main Greek team played them and they would not release the box score, because the reporters that covered the game said they won by like 70 points and it was too embarrassing for the college.

Then in the second game and third game the practice and training players and deep bench played and they won the 2nd game by something like 20 points and the third game by something like 8 points (it was just like the deep bench and training squad players).

Florida State was playing their main players 30-35 or more minutes in these games.

Now let's take this further...........

NCAA DI teams went 0-5 against Spanish 2nd division teams in 2011 and 0-5 also against them in 2012, then 0-3 against them in 2013. Combined record for NCAA D1 teams against Spanish 2nd Division the last 3 years is 0-13.

And yet, we have some clowns in this forum claiming that NCAA DI has better players than the freaking Euroleague..........

I mean there are probably only about something like 2-5 players in the Spanish 2nd Division that can play in the Euroleague at any given time.

And here we have these clowns telling us NCAA has better players than Euroleague.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlAp2y6FUZc

Where's the 70 point blowout?

[Dr.J4ever]

Let's see here, Greek national team in 2010 beat BYU (NCAA DI) by something like 50-60 points.

Then in 2013 they beat Florida State (NCAA D1) in 3 straight games.

In the first game, the main Greek team played them and they would not release the box score, because the reporters that covered the game said they won by like 70 points and it was too embarrassing for the college.

Then in the second game and third game the practice and training players and deep bench played and they won the 2nd game by something like 20 points and the third game by something like 8 points (it was just like the deep bench and training squad players).

Florida State was playing their main players 30-35 or more minutes in these games.

Now let's take this further...........

NCAA DI teams went 0-5 against Spanish 2nd division teams in 2011 and 0-5 also against them in 2012, then 0-3 against them in 2013. Combined record for NCAA D1 teams against Spanish 2nd Division the last 3 years is 0-13.

And yet, we have some clowns in this forum claiming that NCAA DI has better players than the freaking Euroleague..........

I mean there are probably only about something like 2-5 players in the Spanish 2nd Division that can play in the Euroleague at any given time.

And here we have these clowns telling us NCAA has better players than Euroleague.
http://universe.byu.edu/2011/08/29/greece-byu-basketball/

Okay, here's the link with the results of BYU basketball in Europe. They defeated the Athens All Stars and a couple of other Greek B teams, but lost to Greek National teams and the Italian Nat team with with Gallinari and Belineli. Not bad for BYU.

[Dr.J4ever]

Hellas 87-75 over Florida State University. A national team vs one division 1 team in the US.. Embarassing

[Dr.J4ever]

And Byu defeated in dominating fashion the Athens All Stars and another Greek B team by 60 or 70 points. It's in the link on BYU's European results. Maybe they are lying too. Geez.

[gabepizza]

The USA has lost the recent games, which is what he is talking about. FYI, since they changed the format of the tournament, the USA has not won.

Previously they only allowed the players from international to play that Nike and NBA scouts selected, then they changed it to allow players that Nike, NBA scouts, and some European scouts and coaches select that work for NBA teams ...........USA has not win a game since then.

That is what he is talking about genius.

In the two tournaments since it stopped being mainly another NBA marketing gimmick through Nike, and became a semi serious tournament, USA is 0-2.

Of course, as usual, facts and truth mean NOTHING to you.

So winning twice in a row by an average of 11.5 points is "raping year after year" after coming off losing 8 out of the last 9?
Okay. You guys are really grasping at straws now.
And again 1 of those past 2 games that the international team won they were led in points and blocks by Andrew Wiggins.

[Dr.J4ever]

http://www.fsunews.com/article/20130829/FSVIEW0202/130829003/Seminole-basketball-goes-Greek

Okay, here's another link. FSU loses by 9 points to Greece Nat team. "We were right with them", says the team center. "These were pros making millions and we were right with them."

To be fair, they admired Greece's passing and incorporated it into their schemes.

I still can't find any 70 point blowouts. Please provide the link. We know your history with the facts.

[Dunaprenti]

http://universe.byu.edu/2011/08/29/greece-byu-basketball/

Okay, here's the link with the results of BYU basketball in Europe. They defeated the Athens All Stars and a couple of other Greek B teams, but lost to Greek National teams and the Italian Nat team with with Gallinari and Belineli. Not bad for BYU.
And who are those "All Stars"?
Also in the article you provided it says BYU went 2-2 so there are no "couple" of other Greek B teams.
I refuse to believe that people like you and Euroleague are real.

[Dr.J4ever]

And who are those "All Stars"?
Also in the article you provided it says BYU went 2-2 so there are no "couple" of other Greek B teams.
I refuse to believe that people like you and Euroleague are real.
My mistake. They went 2-2. They lost to the Greek and Italian Nat teams. I don't know who the Athens All stars are. If you're from Greece, maybe you can say.

[Dr.J4ever]

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2013-08-26/sports/os-fsu-news-0827-20130826_1_leonard-hamilton-seminoles-team-returns

Here's another one from the Orlando Sentinel. It says FSU led late in the 3rd quarter. To see is to believe. READ THE ARTICLE. Maybe the Orlando Sentinel is lying too:lol

[Dunaprenti]

My mistake. They went 2-2. They lost to the Greek and Italian Nat teams. I don't know who the Athens All stars are. If you're from Greece, maybe you can say.
No I'm not from Greece but it was obviously a publicity game. Even if it wasn't your point is absolutely moot because it was an exhibition game. Barcelona, in 2010, were not better than Lakers, yet they won.
You can find more articles from the Orlando Sentinel though, perfect journalism right there.

[Euroleague]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlAp2y6FUZc

Where's the 70 point blowout?

They played THREE games you freaking IDIOT.

That 9 point game was a few deep bench players and the practice squad players. As in guys that are Greek college age players.

MORON.

[Euroleague]

http://universe.byu.edu/2011/08/29/greece-byu-basketball/

Okay, here's the link with the results of BYU basketball in Europe. They defeated the Athens All Stars and a couple of other Greek B teams, but lost to Greek National teams and the Italian Nat team with with Gallinari and Belineli. Not bad for BYU.

:lol :oldlol: :roll: :facepalm :rolleyes: :biggums:

You are RETARDED

Athens All Stars?

That's a damn under-18 team of HIGH SCHOOL players.

Doukas? Freaking Doukas? That was the the under-18 JUNIOR SQUAD of a SEMI PRO team in the THIRD DIVISION in Greece.

It wasn't even the senior men's team of Doukas (which is third division, which is semi pro level in Greece) it was their under-18 junior team.

Lay off the meth pipe.

:biggums:

[Euroleague]

So winning twice in a row by an average of 11.5 points is "raping year after year" after coming off losing 8 out of the last 9?
Okay. You guys are really grasping at straws now.
And again 1 of those past 2 games that the international team won they were led in points and blocks by Andrew Wiggins.

When the hell did I ever say anything like that?

Wiggins is an international player. Why the hell are you going on and on about him?

[BoutPractice]

Basketball isn't just about individual talent.
The NBA produces better players but top European teams almost invariably play better basketball with the talent they have.

Some NBA teams are just embarrassingly bad as a collective, there's no ball movement, no team defense, players are completely clueless and confused as to what their roles are... this simply doesn't happen to the same extent in Europe. If European coaches spoke perfect English many NBA coaches would be out of a job... Can you imagine Jason Kidd coaching Olympiakos, or Real?

There's a reason why the Spurs have been so successful for so long playing the European way. And it's not because they lacked talent... that's a common misconception. The Spurs are the perfect proof that the European style of play can work even with incredibly talented individual players. Duncan is one of the very best players of all time, people understate how truly dominant he is because he never padded his stats. Ginobili and Parker are some of the best players ever at their position. Yet all that talent doesn't stop them from sharing the ball and executing the right game plan.

[Euroleague]

http://www.fsunews.com/article/20130829/FSVIEW0202/130829003/Seminole-basketball-goes-Greek

Okay, here's another link. FSU loses by 9 points to Greece Nat team. "We were right with them", says the team center. "These were pros making millions and we were right with them."

To be fair, they admired Greece's passing and incorporated it into their schemes.

I still can't find any 70 point blowouts. Please provide the link. We know your history with the facts.

They played 3 games you idiot.

http://www.floridatoday.com/article/20130710/SPORTS0402/307100026/Greece-word-FSU-basketball-team

On the court, most of their time will be spent practicing, scrimmaging and playing in live games against the Greek national team

http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/07/07/florida-state-hopes-summer-trip-to-greece-will-be-a-springboard-into-2013-14/

What can also help the Seminoles is the fact that next month they’ll take a summer trip to Greece next month, taking on the Greek national team in games that they won’t be expected to win



The first game was against the full Greek NT and they lost by 70 points. As I said, THERE IS NO BOX SCORE.

I WILL REPEAT IT AGAIN SINCE YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY NOT PLAYING WITH A FULL DECK.

ONE MORE TIME..........THERE IS NO BOX SCORE BECAUSE THEY DID NOT RELEASE IT TO THE MEDIA BECAUSE IT WAS DECIDED AFTER THE GAME THAT IT WAS TOO EMBARRASSING TO THE COLLEGE PLAYERS SO THE GREEK FEDERATION DECIDED NOT TO RELEASE THE BOX SCORE AS A COURTESY TO THEM.

Why the hell are you so damn nuts?

Then they played two more games. The second game they played with the deep bench (like the 10-12 players) and the practice players (like the 13-17 players - guys that don't actually play in the team) and they won by like 20 points I think.

The 3rd game was basically what you would call a practice scrimmage with trying new plays and new sets, playing players in different positions.....hell they used power forwards as point guards and small forwards as centers, etc.

It is extremely clear that there is something seriously mentally wrong with you.

The Greek NT beat France just some days after this IN FRANCE playing against a full France that was playing all of their NBA players and playing them to win. And Greece did not even play several of it's best players in that game.

Since you probably will claim it is a lie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XonBQyyO6iM


And you are freaking trying to claim here that they could barely beat a college team in a serious game? You are seriously nuts and then SOME.

STFU you complete lunatic.

[dr.hee]

They played 3 games you idiot. The first game was against the full Greek NT and they lost by 70 points. As I said, THERE IS NO BOX SCORE.

I WILL REPEAT IT AGAIN SINCE YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY NOT PLAYING WITH A FULL DECK.

ONE MORE TIME..........THERE IS NO BOX SCORE BECAUSE THEY DID NOT RELEASE IT TO THE MEDIA BECAUSE IT WAS DECIDED AFTER THE GAME THAT IT WAS TO EMBARRASSING TO THE COLLEGE PLAYERS SO THE GREEK FEDERATION DECIDED NOT TO RELEASE THE BOX SCORE AS A COURTESY TO THEM.

Why the hell are you so damn nuts?

Then they played two more games. The second game they played with the deep bench (like the 10-12 players) and the practice players (like the 13-17 players - guys that don't actually play in the team) and they won by like 20 points I think.

The 3rd game was basically what you would call a practice scrimmage with trying new plays and new sets, playing players in different positions.....hell they used power forwards as point guards and small forwards as centers, etc.

It is extremely clear that there is something seriously mentally wrong with you.

The Greek NT beat France like 3 freaking days after this IN FRANCE playing against a full France that was playing all of their NBA players and playing them to win. And Greece did not even play several of it's best players in that game.

Since you probably will claim it is a lie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XonBQyyO6iM


And you are freaking trying to claim here that they could barely beat a college team in a serious game? You are seriously nuts and then SOME.

STFU you complete lunatic.

Hey nutjbob, do you have a source for the Greek federation not releasing the boxscore because it's too embarrassing for the college players? No? Get the f*ck outta here:lol

And it would be nice to know if you actually suffer from a condition like bipolar disorder, paranoid schizophrenia or chronic alcohol abuse...just to make sure whether laughing at you is socially acceptable or pitying your existence is a more appropriate response.

[Dr.J4ever]

[QUOTE=Euroleague]They played 3 games you idiot.

http://www.floridatoday.com/article/20130710/SPORTS0402/307100026/Greece-word-FSU-basketball-team

On the court, most of their time will be spent practicing, scrimmaging and playing in live games against the Greek national team

http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/07/07/florida-state-hopes-summer-trip-to-greece-will-be-a-springboard-into-2013-14/

What can also help the Seminoles is the fact that next month they

[dr.hee]

:lol You are so weird. The Orlando Sentinel said FSU was up late in the 3rd quarter. Again those are facts. And they lost by 9. No mention of 70 point blowouts.

Okay, lets take a vote...... who here believes Euroleague over the Orlando Sentinel? C'mon dont' be shy:lol

Orlando Sentinel? That's a strange sounding name. Why would you name a child like that?

Seriously though, Euroleague has major issues:lol Isn't he posting in spurts? A few weeks nothing, then he's going full retard for a few days? Maybe he has problems with his medication:confusedshrug: Or just another manic episode?

[Euroleague]

:lol You are so weird. The Orlando Sentinel said FSU was up late in the 3rd quarter. Again those are facts. And they lost by 9. No mention of 70 point blowouts.

Okay, lets take a vote...... who here believes Euroleague over the Orlando Sentinel? C'mon dont' be shy:lol

You are sick. No sane person could possibly believe that a college team could only lose by 9 points to a major national team, if they were actually playing a serious game.

There is something seriously wrong with you.

You must have an extremely serious mental disorder.

I love how you completely ignore how Greece was using the game as a test and playing players out of position and trying out new plays and new sets during the game, and how they beat a full France in France and all their NBA players just a few days after this game, despite some of their best players not even playing......

[dr.hee]

You are sick. No sane person could possibly believe that a college team could only lose by 9 points to a major national team, if they were actually playing a serious game.

There is something seriously wrong with you.

You must have an extremely serious mental disorder.

He's providing evidence though. Where's yours? And again, if you're really mentally ill, please tell me and I'll stop laughing at your nonsense.

[Euroleague]

He's providing evidence though. Where's yours? And again, if you're really mentally ill, please tell me so I stop laughing at your nonsense.

I provided like 3 different links showing that they played MULTIPLE GAMES.

**** OFF.

[Dr.J4ever]

You are sick. No sane person could possibly believe that a college team could only lose by 9 points to a major national team, if they were actually playing a serious game.

There is something seriously wrong with you.

You must have an extremely serious mental disorder.

I love how you completely ignore how Greece was using the game as a test and playing players out of position and trying out new plays and new sets during the game, and how they France in France and all their NBA players just a few days after this game......
All I know is you have been exposed again with your 70 point blowouts BS. BYU went 2-2 only losing to Greek NT and Italian NT with NBA players. Still not bad.

EXPOSED as always:roll:

[Dr.J4ever]

FSU loses by 9!

[Euroleague]

All I know is you have been exposed again with your 70 point blowouts BS. BYU went 2-2 only losing to Greek NT and Italian NT with NBA players. Still not bad.

EXPOSED as always:roll:

Permanent ignore list.

[dr.hee]

I provided like 3 different links showing that they played MULTIPLE GAMES.

**** OFF.

So...links for Greece winning by 70 and boxscores not being released to not embarrass the other team? No? What is wrong with you?

Do you realize there's a world outside of your trailer park that doesn't necessarily conform to the stories you're making up in your head? Dude seriously, I have great respect that you're functioning well enough to interact with other human beings despite your obvious mental conditions. It's only on a message board, but still better than nothing. That doesn't mean it's a good idea to not take your medication regularly. Those psychotic breakdowns are a bit annoying, so why not simply go to the doctor and take your pills?

And no need to be upset anyway...at least Greece was able to beat the college kids:applause: I mean it's not Finland, but still...

[Euroleague]

FSU loses by 9!

Infinite ignore list.

[Euroleague]

So...links for Greece winning by 70 and boxscores not being released to not embarrass the other team? No? What is wrong with you?

Do you realize there's a world outside of your trailer park that doesn't necessarily conform to the stories you're making up in your head? Dude seriously, I have great respect that you're functioning well enough to interact with other human beings despite your obvious mental conditions. It's only on a message board, but still better than nothing. That doesn't mean it's a good idea to not take your medication regularly. Those psychotic breakdowns are a bit annoying, so why not simply go to the doctor and take your pills?

ignore list and reported for extreme abuse violations.

[dr.hee]

ignore list and reported for extreme abuse violations.

Why are you so angry? Greece beat a college team by 9. So...they won...what's the problem? Greece won, you're happy. The college team was competitive, they're happy. Everyone's happy :banana:

[QUOTE]Not only did the

[Andrew Wiggins]

He's providing evidence though. Where's yours? And again, if you're really mentally ill, please tell me and I'll stop laughing at your nonsense.

he is mentally ill, haven't you seen this thread?

http://insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=316678

[dr.hee]

he is mentally ill, haven't you seen this thread?

http://insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=316678

You sure it's him though?

[Andrew Wiggins]

You sure it's him though?

it's him - 100%

that cavsftw guy had a bunch of links more or less proving it

trolling a little bit for a short time period is one thing, but having the same insane schtick for 10 years is batshit crazy :lol