Miami Heat is still Wade's team, and always will be...

[Heat007]

He must continue to be the primary ball handler in 4th quarters, as he's been doing for the most part since the losing streak when they lost a lot of close games at the end (when he wasn't the primary ball handler. The Heat are at their best in 4th quarters when Wade is the primary ball handler with LeBron working well off the ball (and believe it or not LeBron has been very good working off the ball this year - something he never or rarely ever did in Cleveland)



Wade is controlling the ball late in games and James not only is letting him do it but is playing into the plan by setting screens to free his teammate up. Just a plain pick-and-roll -- but it can be brutal to handle if it is executed just right and everyone buys into it.

Heat coach Erik Spoelstra and Wade have been gently trying to sell this to James for some time now, but it was understandably foreign to the two-time Most Valuable Player. He was used to getting the screens in crunch time and playing isolation, not setting the screens and waiting for a pass if it came his way.

Getting James to make changes to his game has always been a process, even when he was much younger and not so set in his ways. For example, it took two seasons of drilling under former Cavaliers coach Mike Brown for James to fully commit to playing defense, and he quickly became one of the better defenders in the league.

It is possible that failing in so many close games with the ball solely in his hands this season -- for which he felt compelled to apologize to his teammates -- may have convinced him to try something new. The early returns are helping.

“I think he's starting to see that this can open up his overall game, and he's going to want to do it more," Wade said last week, almost as a plea for James to continue to set those screens and let him control the ball.

It started in the Heat’s win over the Los Angeles Lakers, which began a run that is now seven wins in eight games. On that night, the Heat won a close game when Wade was at the controls for the stretch run, with James as wingman.

On Friday, Wade had 39 points, 18 in the fourth quarter as he used James and the threat of James to eviscerate the Sixers’ defense.

In another set the Heat have been rolling out, James will stand in the corner as Wade comes off a separate screen and forces James’ man to make a decision to stay home or help on one of the greatest drivers in the history of the game.

Eight different times the Heat ran a newer set against the Sixers, just fully installed in the last couple of weeks

While James and Wade were putting up huge numbers and forced the Sixers to make Sophie's Choice on defense, Bosh had 20 points and 10 rebounds.

Further proof tonight.

[Hulk Hogan]

***** is still a side-kick... deal with it.

[Glide2keva]

That was never in dispute in my mind. lebron is no leader. He's shown that year in and year out.

He doesn't have it in him.

[Kingwillball]

He must continue to be the primary ball handler in 4th quarters, as he's been doping for the most part since the losing streak when they lost a lot of close games at the end (when he wasn't the primary ball handler. The Heat are at their best in 4th quarters when Wade is the primary ball handler with LeBron working well off the ball (and believe it or not LeBron has been very good working off the ball this year - something he never or rarely ever did in Cleveland)




Further proof tonight.


It is his team cause he was there first Lebron better in almost every stat category. If Wade closes some games out in Playoffs and Leads Heat in Scoring than lets revisit it. Lebron was not focused tonight he thought he could just flip the switch when the Heat got down but than realized letting the Bucks hang around and couldn't finish them off. Lebron has not been clutch this yr I agree but before I completely turn on him I rather see how the Playoffs play out first. In my mind and many others he is still the best player in the League at least for the first 3 1/2 qtrs.

[Heat007]

It is his team cause he was there first Lebron better in almost every stat category. If Wade closes some games out in Playoffs and Leads Heat in Scoring than lets revisit it

It has nothing to do with who takes the final shot.

It has EVERYTHING to do with who is the primary BALL HANDLER in 4th quarters. The offense looks a lot better and more fluid when it's Wade Handling the ball on offense in 4th quarters this year.

That is indisputable.

McHale was SPOT ON when he said that Wade should be the primary ball handler in 4th quarters. Not just the final possession, but handling the ball for the FINAL 7 to 8 minutes of the 4th quarter. If Wade is handling the ball for most of the 4th quarter then the team won't be in a position to need a final shot, they will be further ahead instead of behind the 8-ball.

That's the point.

And it doesn't mean that LeBron can't handle the ball throughout a game in other sets/lineups earlier in games, it's just putting the ball in Wade's hands to orchestrate the offense for most of the 4th quarters... it's not rocket science.

[Kingwillball]

It has nothing to do with who takes the final shot.

It has EVERYTHING to do with who is the primary BALL HANDLER in 4th quarters. The offense looks a lot better and more fluid when it's Wade Handling the ball on offense in 4th quarters this year.

That is indisputable.

McHale was SPOT ON when he said that Wade should be the primary ball handler in 4th quarters.


That may be true but still doesn't mean its Wade's Team or he is the Leader AKA best player. Lebron is so versatile (big and Strong ) He sets some mean Picks with his body so it makes sense plus Wade does have a knack of slithering in the lane and drawing contact (and gets more calls than Lebron) because people just bounce off Lebron where Wade makes Sure Refs give him the calls when He knows he gets hit twists and flops his body to give them no choice than blow whistle. It is Weird though cause Lebron is the better passer and plays Point Forward most of the Game but than down stretch he shouldn't handle ball ? He can find open man no problem but usually the role players don't make the game winning shots.

[Micku]

It is Weird though cause Lebron is the better passer and plays Point Forward most of the Game but than down stretch he shouldn't handle ball ? He can find open man no problem but usually the role players don't make the game winning shots.

I just figure that he dominate the ball too much. Wade is better with going with the flow of the offense, which could be better in the 4th quarter. It may get more people involved in the offense.

But I dunno. We'll see.

[ShaqAttack3234]

Lebron is better offensively and defensively and Miami's first option. I'm not sure why this isn't clear yet. He averages more points and far more assists, scores more efficiently, shoots the ball better and has obviously had the better season defensively.

[Bigsmoke]

Lebron is better offensively and defensively and Miami's first option. I'm not sure why this isn't clear yet. He averages more points and far more assists, scores more efficiently, shoots the ball better and has obviously had the better season defensively.

this

[VishaltotheG]

LeBron > Wade for 90% of the game, therefore, LeBron > Wade.

LeBron leads scrubs to 60+ win seasons, Wade leads scrubs to mid-40s.

/thread

[Heat007]

I guess people forgot that Wade won a title as a primary ball handler in 4th quarters in the playoffs. And against Top defenses.

And should have won two titles as a primary ball handler late in games if he didn't get injured when they were up 3 games to 2 on Detroit in the 2005 conference finals.

So not only has Wade proven it before in the clutch, in BiG playoff games and playoff series when he took over 4th quarters as the main guy handling the ball orchestrating offenses, but he's proven it this year as the Heat have looked A LOT better AS A TEAM in regards to offensive flow when Wade is the primary ball handler in 4th quarters.

It's indisputable and can't be debated. It's been consistent all season when other teams tighten up their defense in the 4th.

And again, it has nothing to do with who takes the final shot, but AS A TEAM the Miami Heat as an offense look a lot more in-sync when Wade has handled the ball (that's all 5 guys on the floor looking better - including LeBron) in 4th quarters..

It's a chemistry thing.. and it's VERY CLEAR to anyone who has paid attention watching every game this season.

[DJmicah]

He must continue to be the primary ball handler in 4th quarters, as he's been doing for the most part since the losing streak when they lost a lot of close games at the end (when he wasn't the primary ball handler. The Heat are at their best in 4th quarters when Wade is the primary ball handler with LeBron working well off the ball (and believe it or not LeBron has been very good working off the ball this year - something he never or rarely ever did in Cleveland)




Further proof tonight.
we all already know this, but thanks anyway...

[elementally morale]

What I find interesting, is that such observations are usually made after losses. :oldlol:

[Heat007]

What I find interesting, is that such observations are usually made after losses.

Again, it's been "consistent " all year, well before the lakers game when Wade was the primary ball handler in 4th quarters. Read my posts.

Against Portland earlier in the season on the road, The Heat were down by 5 with about 3 minutes left. Wade is the primary ball handler for the most part and the offense looks so in sync., The Heat take it to OT and win it convincingly with Wade as the primary ball handler throughout the end of the game through Overtime.

Against Portland in the last game at Home. LeBron is the primary ball handler in the 4th quarter and the offense is out of sync, the Heat lose the game convincingly (against the same team)

And in the first game in Chicago, with LeBron not even playing, Wade handles the ball in the 4th and the offense looks smooth, with Wade hitting clutch shots in the final 5 minutes. If not for a ridiculous long rebound to the 3 point line off a Bulls miss on their final shot (with a long desperate 3 the Bulls hit on their final possession), Wade is the hero of that game leading the charge and leading the offense.

Subsequently in the following 2 Bulls games the offense doesn't have the same flow with LeBron as the primary ball handler in the 4th in those games.

Those are just 2 other instances this season before the Laker game.. and there's more.

As I said, this has been a consistent thing all year... to anyone that has really followed the team, game in and game out. It's plain to see the Heat are a better 4th quarter team "with better flow" when Wade is the primary ball-handler orchestrating the offense when opposing defenses tighten up in 4th quarters.

That's not a slight against LeBron, it's just something that has been very obvious regarding this team. Wade has to be the primary ball handler for most of the 4th in the playoffs if the Heat want to go far. PERIOD.

/thread

[RedBlackAttack]

Such ridiculous bickering. Has there ever been a case of fans of guys that play for the same team taking part in endless bickering over who is better on this level?

It almost feels like hardcore Wade fans wanted the Heat to fail tonight so that they could promote their agenda of Wade being the most important piece for the team.

....so completely odd.

[jrong]

LeBron > Wade for 90% of the game, therefore, LeBron > Wade.
LeBron leads scrubs to 60+ win seasons, Wade leads scrubs to mid-40/thread

It's not quite that simple:

LeBron's scrubs >>>> Wade's scrubs

Nobody on Wade's Heat teams would have started on Bron's Cavs teams. Very few of them would have received any run at all.

[jlip]

I keep wondering where all of this Wade the epic closer/ uber clutch/ 4th quarter performer comes from. I have to keep repeating myself. I don't believe that anyone's reputation has ridden the fumes of a performance from nearly half a decade ago like Wade's. Dont' get me wrong. He's easily a top 3 player in the game, and on any given night can be the best player on the court, but he has done very little since June '06 to validate this epic closer status. Not counting this season, since June '06, he has NEVER led the league in 4th quarter scoring (not even the season he won the scoring title), has actually lost more games than he's won, and has not been out of the 1st round even once. He's had a few clutch/ game winning moments, but nothing IMO to warrant this "He needs to be the closer" status. Again this is not "hate", just an observation.

[Heat007]

Why does it keep going way over people's heads? As I have been saying the TEAM flows a lot better in the 4th when Wade is the "primary ball handler" in 4th quarters.

It has NOTHING to do with who scores more pts in the 4th (and try to beat that into your dense brain).. Who cares if Lebron scores 13 in the 4th while Wade scores 9 in the 4th, or vice versa if Wade scores 13 and LeBron 9. It's about how the entire offense flows in 4th quarters when Wade is the primary ball handler.. how all 5 guys play better and look more in sync as an offense when Wade is orchestrating the offense -- when opposing defenses tighten up in the 4th..... THAT's it.

And this has been consistent all season... again it's not rocket science.


Again, it's been "consistent " all year, well before the lakers game when Wade was the primary ball handler in 4th quarters. Read my posts.

Against Portland earlier in the season on the road, The Heat were down by 5 with about 3 minutes left. Wade is the primary ball handler for the most part and the offense looks so in sync., The Heat take it to OT and win it convincingly with Wade as the primary ball handler throughout the end of the game through Overtime.

Against Portland in the last game at Home. LeBron is the primary ball handler in the 4th quarter and the offense is out of sync, the Heat lose the game convincingly (against the same team)

And in the first game in Chicago, with LeBron not even playing, Wade handles the ball in the 4th and the offense looks smooth, with Wade hitting clutch shots in the final 5 minutes. If not for a ridiculous long rebound to the 3 point line off a Bulls miss on their final shot (with a long desperate 3 the Bulls hit on their final possession), Wade is the hero of that game leading the charge and leading the offense.

Subsequently in the following 2 Bulls games the offense doesn't have the same flow with LeBron as the primary ball handler in the 4th in those games.

Those are just 2 other instances this season before the Laker game.. and there's more.

As I said, this has been a consistent thing all year... to anyone that has really followed the team, game in and game out. It's plain to see the Heat are a better 4th quarter team "with better flow" when Wade is the primary ball-handler orchestrating the offense when opposing defenses tighten up in 4th quarters.

That's not a slight against LeBron, it's just something that has been very obvious regarding this team. Wade has to be the primary ball handler for most of the 4th in the playoffs if the Heat want to go far. PERIOD.

/thread

[gilalizard]

This is why LeBron sold his own talent short by running off to join Wade and Bosh in an attempt to have it easy.

[Micku]

I don't really consider who is the best player an issue. I think LeBron is the better player because you can do more with him and has been playing better with more consistency, but that is besides the point.

I always thought that the offense runs smoother with Wade because he pass the ball more.

At first I thought it was Mike Brown fault because he lacks creativity in offense. But LeBron and Wade adjust and got better at it, but there are still some issues to resolve. I just think the offense would have better flow without LeBron being so ball dominate. But it could be Spo's fault as well.

[The Iron Fist]

It has nothing to do with who takes the final shot.

It has EVERYTHING to do with who is the primary BALL HANDLER in 4th quarters. The offense looks a lot better and more fluid when it's Wade Handling the ball on offense in 4th quarters this year.

That is indisputable.

McHale was SPOT ON when he said that Wade should be the primary ball handler in 4th quarters. Not just the final possession, but handling the ball for the FINAL 7 to 8 minutes of the 4th quarter. If Wade is handling the ball for most of the 4th quarter then the team won't be in a position to need a final shot, they will be further ahead instead of behind the 8-ball.

That's the point.

And it doesn't mean that LeBron can't handle the ball throughout a game in other sets/lineups earlier in games, it's just putting the ball in Wade's hands to orchestrate the offense for most of the 4th quarters... it's not rocket science.


So, the Laker 3peat was Kobes team, right?

[Christofire]

Lebron is better offensively and defensively and Miami's first option. I'm not sure why this isn't clear yet. He averages more points and far more assists, scores more efficiently, shoots the ball better and has obviously had the better season defensively.

James is not a better defnsive player than dwyane wade..... James only averages 8 tenths of a point more than Wade playing a minute and a half more and taking more shots. Wade averages more blocks and 1 tenth less steals....

James averages 3 more assists, but wade's defense is more valuable than james assists. The MVP of the heat is Wade, because you see James dribbling off 75% of the clock doesnt make him the MVP.. James has beenabout 3-5 games more consistent, but wade is still the driving force on this team

[Christofire]

I keep wondering where all of this Wade the epic closer/ uber clutch/ 4th quarter performer comes from. I have to keep repeating myself. I don't believe that anyone's reputation has ridden the fumes of a performance from nearly half a decade ago like Wade's. Dont' get me wrong. He's easily a top 3 player in the game, and on any given night can be the best player on the court, but he has done very little since June '06 to validate this epic closer status. Not counting this season, since June '06, he has NEVER led the league in 4th quarter scoring (not even the season he won the scoring title), has actually lost more games than he's won, and has not been out of the 1st round even once. He's had a few clutch/ game winning moments, but nothing IMO to warrant this "He needs to be the closer" status. Again this is not "hate", just an observation.

Wade put in work against the celtics last season and against the hawls the year before.....He's still clutch...clutch is not just game winning shots

[BoxOutBOXOUT]

Wade is a sidekick. Always has been. Always will be.

When it comes to this Heat team, he's the 3rd most important player on it. LeBron is clearly #1 and Bosh adds a totally different dimension than Wade can offer. Wade is superfluous to LeBron.

The Heat would be better off dealing Wade away if they could get someone to bite. All he does is hurt LeBron's game. LeBron & Bosh would beast. Adding Wade into that mix just screws up ball possession and hurts the Heat.

If Spoelstra were smart he'd use Wade in an Odom role. Wade clearly isn't the all-around talent that Odom is, but he can bring some talent from the bench and keep the Heat close while LeBron rests.

[Loneshot]

Heat007 = Wade

[jrong]

Wade is a sidekick. Always has been. Always will be.

When it comes to this Heat team, he's the 3rd most important player on it. LeBron is clearly #1 and Bosh adds a totally different dimension than Wade can offer. Wade is superfluous to LeBron.

The Heat would be better off dealing Wade away if they could get someone to bite. All he does is hurt LeBron's game. LeBron & Bosh would beast. Adding Wade into that mix just screws up ball possession and hurts the Heat.

If Spoelstra were smart he'd use Wade in an Odom role. Wade clearly isn't the all-around talent that Odom is, but he can bring some talent from the bench and keep the Heat close while LeBron rests.

LeBron and Bosh didn't do so well without Wade tonight. Not much beasting from them.

[nbastatus]

You're pretty made this assumption based on this game tonight.

[Ruutu]

They are in the same team...they make the best plays for the team! Lebron is younger and bigger and handles the ball most of the time but Wade is slasher and takes some attention from LBJ so they can have more open looks and cuts , they dont care who makes the play or who has more points! They are both vocal leaders and best players on the team. I dont thing Miami players respect one less than the other! Guys who think its so obious that one is so much more leader than the other are just haters!
And for Miami fans, respect your team as a whole ! The playoffs are coming and all that mattters is the rings for team so after u can say we are the best trio in the leage!

[DJmicah]

Wouldn't that make someone with 5 rings the best player in the game?
That would make Fisher Pretty Good Wouldn't it? :oldlol:
Yeah That Kobe Guy is Pretty Good Too
But Rings Are a Team Effort therefore how good one player is cannot be determined by the success of his team, sorry

[LeFraud Shames]

Wade is a sidekick. Always has been. Always will be.

When it comes to this Heat team, he's the 3rd most important player on it. LeBron is clearly #1 and Bosh adds a totally different dimension than Wade can offer. Wade is superfluous to LeBron.

The Heat would be better off dealing Wade away if they could get someone to bite. All he does is hurt LeBron's game. LeBron & Bosh would beast. Adding Wade into that mix just screws up ball possession and hurts the Heat.

If Spoelstra were smart he'd use Wade in an Odom role. Wade clearly isn't the all-around talent that Odom is, but he can bring some talent from the bench and keep the Heat close while LeBron rests.

+1

Plus, the other team's defensive schemes focus on LeBron, not Wade.

[The Iron Fist]

So, the Laker 3peat was Kobes team, right?
:sleeping

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

:sleeping :sleeping

So I guess Minnesota is Luke Ridnour team cuz he closes out games as well:violin: :violin:

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[LeFraud Shames]

:sleeping :sleeping

So I guess Minnesota is Luke Ridnour team cuz he closes out games as well:violin: :violin:

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^
He mad that Love is the best player on his team :roll:

[Mr. Incredible]

The Heat have SERIOUS issues.

/Thread.

[Heat007]

bump..(read the OP, and all my posts in this thread)

We saw it again today AND NOT just THE LAST FEW MINUTES OF THE GAME But THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE GAME).. AND the other day in Atlanta when Wade started handling the ball with 3 minutes left in the game after the offense was cold with lebron handling it earlier in the 2nd half of that game... and dozens of other instances since, and before, the last lakers game..

All season long the offense has had a much better flow and executes better when Wade is the primary ball handler. Bigger threat to penetrate = opens the passing lanes making all 5 guys on offense look more in sync, with proper function.


This is no secret anymore. I have been saying it, emphatically, for a good while now.. as it's been very consistent all season..

[Eat Like A Bosh]

Disagree. There needs to be a balance.
Wade and Bron both need touches at the end of a game.
It doesn't matter either way, whether Wade is the ball handler and Bron plays off ball, or vice versa.

The only thing that kills them is that when one of them has the ball, the other one is just watching.

[97 bulls]

bump..(read the OP, and all my posts in this thread)

We saw it again today AND NOT just THE LAST FEW MINUTES OF THE GAME But THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE GAME).. AND the other day in Atlanta when Wade started handling the ball with 3 minutes left in the game after the offense was cold with lebron handling it earlier in the 2nd half of that game... and dozens of other instances since, and before, the last lakers game..

All season long the offense has had a much better flow and executes better when Wade is the primary ball handler. Bigger threat to penetrate = opens the passing lanes making all 5 guys on offense look more in sync, with proper function.


This is no secret anymore. I have been saying it, emphatically, for a good while now.. as it's been very consistent all season..
You called it. I think james is best suited in the pippen role. Did you see spo compare him to pip?

[Heat007]

Told ya so.....




In the end, when it comes down to it, I always knew he would be the man.


Just 2 wins away from a title. And Wade will win his 2nd Finals MVP



:banana:

[Jacks3]

How can it be your team when your teammate has out-played you in the regular season AND the post-season?

Seriously. :oldlol:

[Samurai Swoosh]

LeSidekick went to Miami

Wade didn't go to Cleveland

Tells you all you need to know, right there.

Besides Wade winning another Finals MVP of course.

:pimp:

[PJR]

How can it be your team when your teammate has out-played you in the regular season AND the post-season?

Seriously. :oldlol:

Wade getting a second ring and Finals MVP. I know you're upset....:oldlol:

[Samurai Swoosh]

Wade getting a second ring and Finals MVP. I know you're upset....:oldlol:
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Wordup]

How can it be your team when your teammate has out-played you in the regular season AND the post-season?

Seriously. :oldlol:
Exactly. Lebron haters are so pathetic:facepalm

[PistonsFan#21]

LeSidekick went to Miami

Wade didn't go to Cleveland

Tells you all you need to know, right there.

Besides Wade winning another Finals MVP of course.

:pimp:

are you seriously comparing Cleveland and Miami? :roll:

im pretty sure i would go to Miami over Cleveland too, regardless of who was playing there

[Samurai Swoosh]

You called it. I think james is best suited in the pippen role. Did you see spo compare him to pip?
Well he's a rich man's version of Pippen, and Wade is a really, really poor man's Jordan. Like a welfare man's Jordan.

[Jacks3]

Wade getting a second ring and Finals MVP. I know you're upset....:oldlol:
Why would I be upset?

I just don't understand how people can call LeBron a side-kick when, again, he's been the best player on the Heat in the regular season and post-season. I mean, you can't even make a argument for Wade.

Scoring? LeBron
Efficiency? LeBron
Defense? LeBron
Re-bounding? LeBron
Clutch play? LeBron
Passing/play-making? LeBron

Wade literally has nothing on him. :oldlol:

Wade is the side-kick and him getting a possible Finals MVP doesn't change that fact that LeBron has clearly been the Heat's best player ALL YEAR. :pimp:

[Jacks3]

Exactly. Lebron haters are so pathetic:facepalm
Yeah, they are. But they now deep-down that LeBron has been "the man" on this Heat team all year. That must really irk them. :lol

[AlphaWolf24]

Yeah, they are. But they now deep-down that LeBron has been "the man" on this Heat team all year. That must really irk them. :lol


Did you watch the Game tonight?....Forget stats....


Wade stood up and dominated in the most important time....Lebron Crawled away like my Dog after he shits on the carpet....

4th quarter is when you need your best player to step up.....and he did.

[Samurai Swoosh]

Did you watch the Game tonight?....Forget stats....


Wade stood up and dominated in the most important time....Lebron Crawled away like my Dog after he shits on the carpet....

4th quarter is when you need your best player to step up.....and he did.
LeBron fans just like calculators and box scores, my dude.

They don't watch games.

:oldlol:

[PJR]

Funny thing is Wade nor LeBron care about these labels. "The Man"...It's the little hoes on here who stress that bulls*it. :oldlol:

[Jacks3]

Did you watch the Game tonight?....

Wade stood up and dominated in the most important time....
Just like LeBron did vs the Bulls and Celtics? Yeah...That's not a good argument. LeBron has been better in the clutch all year.

[Boston C's]

Just like LeBron did vs the Bulls and Celtics? Yeah...That's not a good argument. LeBron has been better in the clutch all year.

i wouldnt go that far....

[atljonesbro]

Why would I be upset?

I just don't understand how people can call LeBron a side-kick when, again, he's been the best player on the Heat in the regular season and post-season. I mean, you can't even make a argument for Wade.

Scoring? LeBron
Efficiency? LeBron
Defense? LeBron
Re-bounding? LeBron
Clutch play? LeBron
Passing/play-making? LeBron

Wade literally has nothing on him. :oldlol:

Wade is the side-kick and him getting a possible Finals MVP doesn't change that fact that LeBron has clearly been the Heat's best player ALL YEAR. :pimp:
Defensivly LeBron better than Wade? You gotta be kidding, you must really love his all flash style of defense.

Rebounding LeBron is 5 inches taller than wade and Wade still rebounds almost as much as him

Clutch Play, LeBron? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Passing playmaking could go either way.

[Ne 1]

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[AlphaWolf24]

Funny thing is Wade nor LeBron care about these labels. "The Man"...It's the little hoes on here who stress that bulls*it. :oldlol:


http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/2010/allstar/2010/02/15/wade.mvp.garcia/dwyane.wade.allstarmvp.jpg

Mad as hell.......

[Samurai Swoosh]

http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/2010/allstar/2010/02/15/wade.mvp.garcia/dwyane.wade.allstarmvp.jpg

Mad as hell.......
Anyon got the GIF of him barely clapping for his "friend" as he hoisted the trophy up?

:oldlol:

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii73/mootz4/lebron.gif

Sour Patch Kids from Baby Bron Bron

:oldlol:

[catch24]

LMAO at the kids who called Wade a sidekick to LeBron. Slowly but surely, on the biggest stage, the Alpha male rises.

[BallsOut]

Anyon got the GIF of him barely clapping for his "friend" as he hoisted the trophy up?

:oldlol:

http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii73/mootz4/lebron.gif

Sour Patch Kids from Baby Bron Bron

:oldlol:

I heard T-Mobile was coming out with the new sidekick phone. Do you know what its going to be called? :lol

[Samurai Swoosh]

I heard T-Mobile was coming out with the new sidekick phone. Do you know what its going to be called? :lol
I aleady called it the LeSidekick over an hour ago, bruh

It got a good reception ... so go run with it.

:pimp:

[Snicklefritz]

Do real Miami fans really care which one of them is #1? Juwan Howard could get Finals MVP and I still wouldn't give a shit as long as they won another championship.

[EllisGW]

funny thing about these stupid people is that you come on a message board to talk trash. instead of talking about basketball you come on a message board and talking trash. you guys are talking trash to a computer screen lol . the finals are not even over, the heat could still lose and lebron could still be finals mvp.

[Heat007]

Wade's press conference after game 3:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnIc3PhrvHw


Wade was very aggressive in practice the yesterday leading the team by example and telling them "this is the way" we are going to play tomorrow.

Then Wade did it on the court in the game right from the beginning. Wade also talks about how badly he wanted game 3 in his presser there in the link.

Both Wade and LeBron are identical as talents and "all-around" players, but the voice of the team, and the leader of the team, is clearly Dwyane "Flash" Wade.

[brownmamba00]

Wade's press conference after game 3:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnIc3PhrvHw

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Why does LeBron call his bestfriend Wade, D-Wade?
I wonder if Wade calls him King James in private.:lol

[rocfan1]

Just like Wade, Lebron and Coach Spoelstra all have said their going to give the ball to the hot hand and who ever is having the favorable match-up but hate for Lebron is just at an all-time high because he's about to win a ring. the Hate has went so far now that people relize the Mavs arent good enough to beat Miami that the haters are hoping on Wade train and trying to attack Lebron from another angle! :facepalm :facepalm

[Nash]

Everytime I've seen the players talk in the huddle before games I always see Lebron doing the talk and motivating the guys. Not acknowledging Lebron is the leader is a bit weird.

[Heat007]

A lot of new info just surfaced this morning on Wade's leadership over the team from the past few days:

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/miamiheat/post?id=8453



that's from the award-winning Heat index ;-)


DALLAS -- This was not a time for ceremonial titles and locker-room speeches. Dwyane Wade acted like a captain under heavy pressure on Sunday night. Because of that leadership, the Miami Heat have retaken control of The NBA Finals.

Knowing the enormous implications of Game 3 of the tied series, Wade started to set an example at practice on Saturday. He carried it right on through another taut fourth quarter in a whirl of energy, aggression and spirit.

There were several different reasons the Heat struck back for a 88-86 victory over the Dallas Mavericks to take a 2-1 series lead, not the least of which was another great player missed a shot when Dirk Nowitzki was just off at the buzzer. But there was no bigger difference-maker than Wade, who played like a man both immersed in and unafraid of the moment.

“I took it upon myself as a leader to lead my guys by example,” Wade said. “I’ve been here before.”

Indeed he has, and it showed. Wade is now 6-0 over his career in Game 3s when a series is tied 1-1, and none of them were grander than this one. He demonstrated his confidence with 29 points and 11 rebounds, plus some high-level motivation that started a day earlier. He grabbed the attention of his teammates by practicing like he was the 15th man on the last day before cuts, being as aggressive on an off day as they’d seen him all season.

The Heat couldn’t afford to lose Game 3 and Wade knew it, not just because of what history said about falling behind 2-1 without home-court advantage. He and the Heat rolled their eyes at the number that was repeated over and over for three days. Eleven times in the past 25 years the Finals have been tied 1-1 and the winner of Game 3 is a perfect 11-0 in winning the title.

No, after personally experiencing what happened in 2006 when the Heat stole a game they probably shouldn’t have won against the Mavs, he knew so well how fragile momentum is in a best-of-seven series. Dallas blew a huge lead and never recovered. Of course, he could say this and his teammates could listen. Obviously, they knew it already. Wade did say it, too. He had film review sessions and private meetings with LeBron James to discuss how they were compelled to show up in Dallas with a response that would put the Mavs on their heels in their home building.

Wade then communicated that with actions more than any words could’ve. It showed throughout Game 3, from his charging drives to the basket from the first minutes of the game right through the soaring rebounds he pulled down in traffic during the fourth quarter.

“My teammates saw it,” Wade said. “They can tell I wanted this game.”

Just a week or so ago it looked like Wade’s legs had expired for this season. He was failing to get his usual lift on dunks. He was missing layups. He was sweating profusely early in games like it was training camp. He was taking more possessions easy than anyone was used to. The Heat, it appeared, might have to win with a diminished version of their leader.

Now, it seems as though he was just lying in wait to spring forth when the stakes were highest. No one jumped higher than Wade on Sunday. He now has seven dunks in the past two games and in Game 3 made more baskets inside five feet -- eight of them -- than the Mavs (seven) did as a team. He also led the Heat in rebounds on a night when they were struggling so badly to get loose balls that they were constantly getting whistled for fouls as they chased.

“First and foremost, he pushed himself,” said Chris Bosh, who made the game-winning shot, otherwise Wade probably would’ve done that, too. “We rode the wave for a while. He set the tone for us. When a guy like that is really getting on you and demanding more, that’s what team is all about.”

At times, Wade barked at Bosh and even at James, his co-star who, up until recently, had performed so much of the heavy lifting. At halftime, Wade was in James' ear. James hasn’t been doing that in this series thus far. On Sunday he had a respectable 17 points and nine assists, four of them coming in the fourth quarter. But James, and the rest of the Heat, have badly needed Wade to return to form and he has.

“As a competitor, you love when guys challenge you,” James said. “I respect that.”

As strongly as Nowitzki has played over the three games -- he had 34 points in Game 3, the most the Heat have allowed to an opponent in the postseason -- Wade has been able to best him. And that has meant the Heat have been able to edge the Mavs thus far as well.

“It’s understanding the moment,” Wade said. “You remember how tough it was to win here and what it takes to win games like these.”

He got the feeling when the team bus arrived Saturday. He’s been to the American Airlines Center numerous times since 2006 but this brought back the memories and the emotions. The NBA Finals logos were everywhere. The black curtains were up, creating makeshift rooms. Over there was where he and Shaquille O’Neal posed with the Larry O’Brien Trophy. Down this hall was where he accepted his Finals MVP trophy. Then there was the tiny locker room, where the champagne flowed that June night five years ago.

His teammates may have helped the Heat get this far and most likely if there’s another one of those trophies headed to Miami, more will be needed from them. But right now Wade is pulling them along and getting them over the hump. In a series that has been defined by narrow margins and extreme competitiveness, Wade's all-around Game 3 performance might turn out to be a defining moment.

“I’m just trying to lead,” Wade said. “My guys did a great job of following that lead.”

[LeFraud Shames]

HE DA BESS
:cheers:

[HiphopRelated]

Everytime I've seen the players talk in the huddle before games I always see Lebron doing the talk and motivating the guys. Not acknowledging Lebron is the leader is a bit weird.
Lebron talks in the tunnel, Wade talks after intros

[Kingwillball]

[QUOTE=Heat007]A lot of new info just surfaced this morning on Wade's leadership over the team from the past few days:

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/miamiheat/post?id=8453



that's from the award-winning Heat index ;-)


DALLAS -- This was not a time for ceremonial titles and locker-room speeches. Dwyane Wade acted like a captain under heavy pressure on Sunday night. Because of that leadership, the Miami Heat have retaken control of The NBA Finals.

Knowing the enormous implications of Game 3 of the tied series, Wade started to set an example at practice on Saturday. He carried it right on through another taut fourth quarter in a whirl of energy, aggression and spirit.

There were several different reasons the Heat struck back for a 88-86 victory over the Dallas Mavericks to take a 2-1 series lead, not the least of which was another great player missed a shot when Dirk Nowitzki was just off at the buzzer. But there was no bigger difference-maker than Wade, who played like a man both immersed in and unafraid of the moment.

[Heat007]

New Info has come out cause he has played well so they need the story to go with it.. Watch the Pre game it shows Lebron giving the team speech before they hit the floor.. Both Players are leaders, just like U keep saying both Players are identical on the court same goes for off it..

in the tunnel/hallway before the game.. But if you've watched the Finals, it's Wade who huddles the team on the floor later right before the games (right after the player introductions and before tipoff).

They're both leaders in a sense, yes. But Wade is the true leader as everyone in Miami who's watched them both in their press conferences after games this year knows Wade is the leader and James looks up to Wade.

Wade is the official captain of the team, not lebron

[thejumpa]

Why does any of this matter? You can't even come to this site to talk ball anymore. Half the threads are about LBJ "struggling" or Miami being Wades team. Funny part is that a week ago the team was clearly LeBrons and Wade was the 2nd fiddle lmao. These guys are doing what they said they would do: winning a championship. Together. I don't think either of them care who's team it is or who gets FMVP. Why should anyone else?

[Kingwillball]

in the tunnel/hallway before the game.. But if you've watched the Finals, it's Wade who huddles the team on the floor later right before the games (right after the player introductions and before tipoff).

They're both leaders in a sense, yes. But Wade is the true leader as everyone in Miami who's watched them both in their press conferences after games this year knows Wade is the leader and James looks up to Wade.

Wade is the official captain of the team, not lebron


Kind of Like If U needed a place to stay and U move into a Buddies House .. U may live there and act like yourself but at the end of the day U don't want to step on his toes since he is the one that owns the place.. Would be the same exact way if not even more one sided if Wade came to Cleveland instead of Vice versa.. After a couple seasons pass and Wade gets a little older the shift will be more apparent to being Lebron's team(at least on the court)..

[Snicklefritz]

Together[/B]. I don't think either of them care who's team it is or who gets FMVP. Why should anyone else?

That's what matters. No one on ISH seems to want to look past the individual and focus on the team.

[AlphaWolf24]

- after watching last night's game ....( Lebron taking all of the crunchtime shots...while Wade looked from the bench)

- safe to say...I was 100% wrong.....It's Lebrons team...

- I didn't think Wade would go Beta like that:confusedshrug:


( after looking at that allstar gif again....LBJ may have stole Wade's soul on purpose???)

[SilkkTheShocker]

The OP is a f.ucking tool. Wouldn't you just be happy your team has LeBron and Wade on it? Wade can win Finals MVP next season for all I care. Just f.ucking win

[Deuce Bigalow]

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[Heavincent]

Last Activity: 06-12-2011 06:47 AM

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[upside24]

Wade did the right thing allowing LeBron to become the main guy. He admits that he misses getting to have big scoring nights but he knows that LeBron running the team is the best chance for the Heat to win another championship.

I don't like Wade, but I admire him putting his ego aside and doing what's best for the team.

Even though his numbers might not be great by his standards (20.1/4.6/4.3 50%), he is still capable of having huge games and complements LeBron's game better than their first year together when he averaged 25 a game.

[AlphaWolf24]

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[red1]

Last Activity: 06-12-2011 06:47 AM

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LOL

[SilkkTheShocker]

OP must have stuck his head in the oven sometime after game 6

[NBAller]

It's mind boggling to see people say that LeBrons stats don't matter because Wade puts the icing on the cake that Bron made. If LeBrons stats during the first 3 quarters or whatever doesn't matter then neither does Kobes 60 points in 3 quarters.

I think that during close games the plays are obviously more magnified due to the attention being payed and so when Wade makes a play it's blown out of porportion. We all know how people on here mainly just focus on the playoffs or 4th quarter because nothing else matters, lol.

Anybody that says this is Wades team, or that Wade is better are either A) Stupid. B) Doesn't watch this team play or C) a troll.

my thoughts in seconds.

[AlphaWolf24]

Wade did the right thing allowing LeBron to become the main guy. He admits that he misses getting to have big scoring nights but he knows that LeBron running the team is the best chance for the Heat to win another championship.

I don't like Wade, but I admire him putting his ego aside and doing what's best for the team.
Even though his numbers might not be great by his standards (20.1/4.6/4.3 50%), he is still capable of having huge games and complements LeBron's game better than their first year together when he averaged 25 a game.


- what?....he didn't put his ego aside...you think he likes getting benched?

- reporter asked him " do you miss the days of taking over and shooting 25 times a game?".....

- he replied " everyday!"......

- Of course Lebron is the best ption..Lebron refined his game and is better everywhere...wade let him take the Alpha Role and never did anything to improve his game.

[upside24]

- what?....he didn't put his ego aside...you think he likes getting benched?

- reporter asked him " do you miss the days of taking over and shooting 25 times a game?".....

- he replied " everyday!"......

- Of course Lebron is the best ption..Lebron refined his game and is better everywhere...wade let him take the Alpha Role and never did anything to improve his game.
He didn't put his ego aside yet he let LeBron take the alpha role?

That was the whole point of my post. He put his ego aside by giving the alpha role to LeBron.

I don't disagree with you about Wade not improving his game. He just got a shooting coach before this season. That's still hard for me to believe.

[Legends66NBA7]

I remember reading this idiot's threads and rants before posting on ISH.

What a clown. :oldlol:

[NBAller]

Wade didn't give LeBron anything. Soon as LeBron signed with Miami he became the Alpha of that team. That's just how it goes when you're that good. Same with Shaq, MJ, etc...

Whether Wade, Pippen, or Kobe likes it or not, facts are facts...and LeBron's the best in the league. Deal with it.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Were there Laker fans (or stans) b.itchig about this stuff on the message boards back in the day when it came to Shaq/Kobe. I didn't start posting on message boards until around 2005

[upside24]

Wade didn't give LeBron anything. Soon as LeBron signed with Miami he became the Alpha of that team. That's just how it goes when you're that good. Same with Shaq, MJ, etc...

Whether Wade, Pippen, or Kobe likes it or not, facts are facts...and LeBron's the best in the league. Deal with it.
Wade did give the alpha role to LeBron.

Remember 10-11 season where Wade and LeBron would take turns coming down the court and trying to dominate? LeBron averaged 26 and Wade 25, but it was obvious they had trouble coexisting on the court together.

Each player would just watch the other try and go 1 on 5 and it didn't work as well as it should with two top 5 talents (at the time) on the court together.

Wade has admitted he took a step back allowing the offense to run through LeBron instead of taking turns which resulted in the Heat winning it all last year.

Yes, the team was obviously LeBron's the moment he joined the team since he was clearly the best player in the NBA, but Wade took a step back and accepted a reduced role in their second season.

[NBAller]

Wade did give the alpha role to LeBron.

Remember 10-11 season where Wade and LeBron would take turns coming down the court and trying to dominate? LeBron averaged 26 and Wade 25, but it was obvious they had trouble coexisting on the court together.

Each player would just watch the other try and go 1 on 5 and it didn't work as well as it should with two top 5 talents (at the time) on the court together.

Wade has admitted he took a step back allowing the offense to run through LeBron instead of taking turns which resulted in the Heat winning it all last year.

Yes, the team was obviously LeBron's the moment he joined the team since he was clearly the best player in the NBA, but Wade took a step back and accepted a reduced role in their second season.

Alpha's not something that you just give to somebody.

[Doctor Rivers]

The OP is now known as hank

[upside24]

Alpha's not something that you just give to somebody.
Team leader role. Is that better? Arguing semantics.:facepalm

He could have continued trying to prove that he was LeBron's equal but he didn't.

That is the point I am trying to make here, he sacrificed his stats and ego for the team.

LeBron didn't force him to take less shots or take the ball out of Wade's hands.

Wade made that decision.

[AlphaWolf24]

He didn't put his ego aside yet he let LeBron take the alpha role?

That was the whole point of my post. He put his ego aside by giving the alpha role to LeBron.

I don't disagree with you about Wade not improving his game. He just got a shooting coach before this season. That's still hard for me to believe.


- It's not about him putting his ego aside...he let Lebron takeover because he can't do anything aboiut it...he's just stuck ( and by his remarks to the reporter, it doesn't sound like he ok with it)

- If you see your teamate just dominating, and you didn't put in the work to become as good or better....you can't say anything.(remember Wade was a beast without Bron...his 09' 10' run was elite of the elite)

doesn't mean he's ok with it...he's just stuck.

- If a reporter asked him " do you miss taking 25 shots a game"....and he said " of course not, I just do whatever coach wants".....then maybe he just is ok with it and put his ego to the side.

- he said " Everyday"....that's tel's me He's pissed he's not Alpha anymore.

[upside24]

- It's not about him putting his ego aside...he let Lebron takeover because he can't do anything aboiut it...he's just stuck ( and by his remarks to the reporter, it doesn't sound like he ok with it)

- If you see your teamate just dominating, and you didn't put in the work to become as or better....you can't say anything.

doesn't mean he's ok with it...he's just stuck.

- If a reporter asked him " do you miss taking 25 shots a game"....and he said " of course not, I just do whatever coach wants".....then maybe he just is ok with it and put his ego to the side.

- he said " Everyday"....that's tel's me He's pissed he's not Alpha anymore.
Said all I'm going to about Wade taking a backseat.

Results so far are 1 championship and a good chance of another this year.

I don't even like Wade and I have wasted time trying to give him credit for what he has done the last two years.:facepalm

[NBAller]

Team leader role. Is that better? Arguing semantics.:facepalm

He could have continued trying to prove that he was LeBron's equal but he didn't.

That is the point I am trying to make here, he sacrificed his stats and ego for the team.

LeBron didn't force him to take less shots or take the ball out of Wade's hands.

Wade made that decision.

I get that. that's what you're supposed to do when you have someone better than you on your team, you don't try to outshine him or be his left hand. that's playing with a agenda obviously, and that shit will hurt you in the run for a ring. I mean if it was a young Wade then I'd understand him trying to take over that alpha role with lebron being older..you know, to fill the shoes when the old man can't do it no more.

i mean imagine if scottie tried to outscore jordan every game.

[PJR]

Said all I'm going to about Wade taking a backseat.

Results so far are 1 championship and a good chance of another this year.

I don't even like Wade and I have wasted time trying to give him credit for what he has done the last two years.:facepalm

You have to realize who you're actually trying to engage in rational disucssion with....A Moron.

Don't waste your e-breath, brah. :oldlol:

[AlphaWolf24]

I get that. that's what you're supposed to do when you have someone better than you on your team, you don't try to outshine him or be his left hand. that's playing with a agenda obviously, and that shit will hurt you in the run for a ring. I mean if it was a young Wade then I'd understand him trying to take over that alpha role with lebron being older..you know, to fill the shoes when the old man can't do it no more.

i mean imagine if scottie tried to outscore jordan every game.


- If Jordan came to Scottie's Team...after Jordan quit on a 63 win team ( favored to win a title 2 years in a row).....and Scottie was an elite player in the NBA with a Finals MVP....

- and MJ just took over while Scottie got benched...best believe thier would be some jimmies rustled on the court.

[AlphaWolf24]

You have to realize who you're actually trying to engage in rational disucssion with....A Moron.

Don't waste your e-breath, brah. :oldlol:


Coach Spo?....

[NBAller]

- If Jordan came to Scottie's Team...after Jordan quit on a 63 win team ( favored to win a title 2 years in a row).....and Scottie was an elite player in the NBA with a Finals MVP....

- and MJ just took over while Scottie got benched...best believe thier would be some jimmies rustled on the court.

understandable. just like in a wolf pack...the wolf that's banging the females in the group would be mad if a bigger better wolf came and started smashing the females. but what can you do?

you deal with it, like wade is. then you win a few rings.

or die.

[AlphaWolf24]

understandable. just like in a wolf pack...the wolf that's banging the females in the group would be mad if a bigger better wolf came and started smashing the females. but what can you do?

you deal with it, like wade is. then you win a few rings.

or die.


I like your style....