How overrated is Kyrie Irving???

[PleezeBelieve]

Off the top of my head, the Cavs and Raps fanbases have convinced themselves that this guy is Jesus in a point guard jersey. They actually want to tank and trade established NBA players just for the best opportunity to draft this dude.

Don't ask me how, but its a fact.

Now moving on... when's the last time a prospect received so much hype for basically doing nothing?? Duke won the championship with the same team he re-joined and basically stymied ball movement in the loss against Arizona.

The guy is a 6'1 attacking, scoring guard that many have convinced themsleves is the best point guard prospect since Jason Kidd.

What the hell are people smoking, man???

[Warners0]

Off the top of my head, the Cavs and Raps fanbases have convinced themselves that this guy is Jesus in a point guard jersey. They actually want to tank and trade established NBA players just for the best opportunity to draft this dude.

Don't ask me how, but its a fact.

Now moving on... when's the last time a prospect received so much hype for basically doing nothing?? Duke won the championship with the same team he re-joined and basically stymied ball movement in the loss against Arizona.

The guy is a 6'1 attacking, scoring guard that many have convinced themsleves is the best point guard prospect since Jason Kidd.

What the hell are people smoking, man???

Kyrie Irving is a monster. The Cavs couldn't ask for a better player to build around for next year.

[AMISTILLILL]

Head nods in the club.

[fubu05]

I'm a Kemba homer, so I like Kemba better.

But Raptors do need a PG or C, and get rid of Bayless/Calderon and Bargs.

[PleezeBelieve]

Kyrie Irving is a monster. The Cavs couldn't ask for a better player to build around for next year.
You think you building around this cat???? :roll: :roll: :roll:

[jlauber]

Gone are the days when you KNEW just how good a player would be BEFORE they were drafted. These "one-and-done" players, who put up average stats in half a season are a pure crap-shoot.

And it just amazes me how many of these kids who put up ordinary stats, against inferior competition, and then throw their names into the draft. Let's face reality. Most of those that now stay in school are probably so bad that they know they have no chance at the NBA. So, we really don't know how good the better players are, since they are facing the "rejects."

I don't blame the players. If NBA teams are willing to throw millions at unproven kids in HOPES of leading their teams to titles, then they deserve it when many of those kids flop.

[alwaysunny]

Gone are the days when you KNEW just how good a player would be BEFORE they were drafted. These "one-and-done" players, who put up average stats in half a season are a pure crap-shoot.

And it just amazes me how many of these kids who put up ordinary stats, against inferior competition, and then throw their names into the draft. Let's face reality. Most of those that now stay in school are probably so bad that they know they have no chance at the NBA. So, we really don't know how good the better players are, since they are facing the "rejects."

I don't blame the players. If NBA teams are willing to throw millions at unproven kids in HOPES of leading their teams to titles, then they deserve it when many of those kids flop.
True, there has been quite a few who could've used couple more years in college (Marvin Williams comes to mind). I don't think Irving is one of them however. This thread is asking to be bumped few years later when Irving meets the expectations.

[PleezeBelieve]

True, there has been quite a few who could've used couple more years in college (Marvin Williams comes to mind). I don't think Irving is one of them however. This thread is asking to be bumped few years later when Irving meets the expectations.
N*gga, I'm a prophet with this sh*t. Go ask about me. I'm never wrong.

[Court Vision]

Off the top of my head, the Cavs and Raps fanbases have convinced themselves that this guy is Jesus in a point guard jersey. They actually want to tank and trade established NBA players just for the best opportunity to draft this dude.

Don't ask me how, but its a fact.

Now moving on... when's the last time a prospect received so much hype for basically doing nothing?? Duke won the championship with the same team he re-joined and basically stymied ball movement in the loss against Arizona.

The guy is a 6'1 attacking, scoring guard that many have convinced themsleves is the best point guard prospect since Jason Kidd.

What the hell are people smoking, man???

Kyrie is a VERY, very good PG prospect. He is also more than just a 'scoring guard', and is a little taller than you give him credit for (6'2" ish), with poise and maturity.

The fact that you blame the 'Zona loss on him makes me question your basketball knowledge at all. First off, its the NCAA tourney, and secondly, he sat nearly the entire season with an injury. Hard to get into the flow of things that quickly, especially for a freshman, in the tourney.

Being a part of a lackluster draft class doesn't hurt him either.

[Court Vision]

N*gga, I'm a prophet with this sh*t. Go ask about me. I'm never wrong.

Yeah, cool, you sound like every other clown on the internet with an opinion. You're no different.

[RedBlackAttack]

The fact that you blame the 'Zona loss on him makes me question your basketball knowledge at all. First off, its the NCAA tourney, and secondly, he sat nearly the entire season with an injury. Hard to get into the flow of things that quickly, especially for a freshman, in the tourney.

Lastly, he was the only guy on the Duke side that could throw it in the ocean during that particular game. Irving scored 28 on 9-of-15 shooting. He also set up teammates with good looks... They were just off.

Well, that and the fact that they had no answer for Derrick Williams on the other end.

[jlauber]

This could be the WORST draft in NBA history.

[LaysUpBricks]

This could be the WORST draft in NBA history.

It'll be hard to beat 2000. But players like Kyrie and Derrick Williams are being overrated because of the lack of star players. Last years draft was the race for Wall, the year before that was for Griffin.

[fubu05]

This could be the WORST draft in NBA history.

Worse than the 2000 draft? Doubt it. One of Kemba/Irving/Derrick Williams/Perry/Knight will be a great franchise player.

[jlauber]

It'll be hard to beat 2000. But players like Kyrie and Derrick Williams are being overrated because of the lack of star players. Last years draft was the race for Wall, the year before that was for Griffin.

And once again, not a decent CENTER on the horizon...

[Court Vision]

And once again, not a decent CENTER on the horizon...

The NBA center is a dead position, with no revival in the near future.

[Faberg]

This could be the WORST draft in NBA history.

Yeah, it doesn't help that players are returning for next year due to a potential lockout.

[fubu05]

And once again, not a decent CENTER on the horizon...

Actually next years draft with Fab Melo, and Andre Drummond is one of the best center drafts in a long time.

[rosonviyavong]

Pre injury Kyrie Irving really impresesd me. If you guys are just basing his talents on what you saw during the NCAA tourney then you guys are misjudged but I will still admit he his being overated.

[Borat]

Brandon Knight brothers. Brandon Knight.

[jlauber]

Actually next years draft with Fab Melo, and Andre Drummond is one of the best center drafts in a long time.

You're kidding right?

Drummond is 6-10 and averaged 15-9 in his junior year of HS. Melo averaged 2.3 ppg and 1.9 rpg in his freshman year in college.

If that is what is on the horizon, Dwight is going to be a 30-20 guy over the next 10 years of his career...

[Borat]

A better centre mention would have been Jonas Valanciunas, Enes Kanter, Donatas Motiejunas, or Bismack Biyombo. even Lucas Nogueira.

[jlauber]

A better centre mention would have been Jonas Valanciunas, Enes Kanter, Donatas Motiejunas, or Bismack Biyombo. even Lucas Nogueira.

Never heard of any of them, and I doubt I ever will.

[jlauber]

What is really tragic is that Andrew Bynum, a player who can barely dunk, and has about a 5ft. range, is one of the better centers in the NBA today.

The center position in the NBA has become a joke.

[alwaysunny]

What is really tragic is that Andrew Bynum, a player who can barely dunk, and has about a 5ft. range, is one of the better centers in the NBA today.

The center position in the NBA has become a joke.
Blame the current rules that benefit the guards, not the players. We've actually had very good prospects likes of Oden and Bynum who had superstar potential if it weren't for injuries. Nonetheless current Bynum is still a very solid player.

[jlauber]

Blame the current rules that benefit the guards, not the players. We've actually had very good prospects likes of Oden and Bynum who had superstar potential if it weren't for injuries. Nonetheless current Bynum is still a very solid player.

I'm a Laker fan, but when I watch him play...he can barely jump, and he has no range. And yet, the center position is so awful, that he is probably among the top-5 in the league. I HONESTLY believe that he would have been in the BOTTOM tier of NBA centers in the early 70's. Lanier, Cowens, Unseld, Reed, Bellamy, Thurmond, Gimore, McAdoo, Hayes, Kareem, and Wilt...ALL either better, or MUCH better. And Walton was already better, in college, than Bynum has been in the pros.

[Faberg]

I can see the Raptors winning the lottery for second time in 5 years.

Kyrie Irving playing alongside Andrea Bargnani, DeMar DeRozan and Ed Davis they would have a good foundation for the future.

[fubu05]

You're kidding right?

Drummond is 6-10 and averaged 15-9 in his junior year of HS. Melo averaged 2.3 ppg and 1.9 rpg in his freshman year in college.

If that is what is on the horizon, Dwight is going to be a 30-20 guy over the next 10 years of his career...

Fab Melo will have a great 2nd year. You will see. And the age of needing to be 7 foot and be a dominant centre is long gone.

Drummond is an athletic freak, and if he bulks up, could be a great center. And you are seriously putting way too much emphasis on stats. Stop being so ignorant, Drummond is lottery bound.

And Melo did not get many minutes and will start getting more in his later years.

[SourGrapes]

N*gga, I'm a prophet with this sh*t. Go ask about me. I'm never wrong.

you were wrong about both derrick rose and kevin durant...

after seeing your op, i'm concluding kyrie irving is a good bet

[DJ Leon Smith]

He's easily the best half-Australian prospect in this year's draft.

[Goliath Uterus]

You're crazy, Kyrie is a future all star.

[TAZORAC]

Kyrie Irving is a monster. The Cavs couldn't ask for a better player to build around for next year.

Irving is far from a monster, in fact I think Brandon Knight freashman from Kentucky is a better prospect. Knight is quicker and and is a better ball handler, also he's taller.

Irving plays like a 14 year NBA veteran with bad knees.

[Goliath Uterus]

Irving is far from a monster, in fact I think Brandon Knight freashman from Kentucky is a better prospect. Knight is quicker and and is a better ball handler, also he's taller.

Irving plays like a 14 year NBA veteran with bad knees.

You must be thinking of a different Kyrie Irving

[Eat Like A Bosh]

What is really tragic is that Andrew Bynum, a player who can barely dunk, and has about a 5ft. range, is one of the better centers in the NBA today.

The center position in the NBA has become a joke.
Center is the last of a dying breed.
Bynum is considered a good center simply because he's big. You don't need much skills, you just have to be big.

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[01amberfirewv]

Worse than the 2000 draft? Doubt it. One of Kemba/Irving/Derrick Williams/Perry/Knight will be a great franchise player.

What about the Jimmer? I know most people are saying he won't be a solid NBA player but he has exceeded expectations thus far

[JMT]

It'll be hard to beat 2000. But players like Kyrie and Derrick Williams are being overrated because of the lack of star players. Last years draft was the race for Wall, the year before that was for Griffin.

I would agree on all but Williams. He's a star.

It's an interesting phenomenon, similar to the NFL. To win you need a great QB, and teams are so desperate that clowns like Newton, Locker, Gabbert, etc...guys that wouldn't even be first round picks in a decent QB draft class...jump to the head of the class.

The NBA is going through the same thing with PG, so guys like Irving are bumped to the front despite showing next to nothing in college. Not saying he can't play, but how the hell can you tell from a dozen games against Oct/Nov competition?

Williams will be a big time scorer in the NBA. He's got a really good first step, decent handle, goes to the hole with either hand, and shot 60%...that's right, 60%...from the 3 pt line. Nice midrange jumper as well. Long enough to guard the 4, quick enough for the 3. IMO, he's being underrated because:

(1) internet "experts"...both pro and amateur...don't want to admit that they missed so badly on the kid. Guys whose job it is to know college hoops gave him little or no mention before the tournament, though it was pretty obvious he was the best player every time he stepped on the floor.

(2) there's so much talk about this being a weak draft that it automatically devalues a no-name player. In reality, this is going to be like most drafts at the top. No more than a couple guys who look like sure pros. It's in the depth that it's really bad.

(3) he tore up the PAC-10, not the Big East, and didn't go to Duke. The Big East has become like the SEC in football. Six turds automatically get bowl invites and massive tv exposure because they play in the same conference as a couple top notch teams.

[Nastradamus]

Teams will reach but guys like Kyrie or Gabbert/Newton will generally receive a grade from most NFL teams and go around where they are graded. Those QBs, though maybe not everyone's favorites, went top 10 because their teams felt they can be franchise QBs. If they were 2nd round guys lifted by the class being poor at the position, they still would not go top 10 with all the money that goes to those picks. You have to get a franchise caliber player if you take a guy that high, being wrong costs your HC,GM and others their jobs. You don't just take the best QB on the board as high as possible. Newton had one of the most dominant seasons in college history and Locker has been a guy with #1 pick potential for 2-3 years now. Gabbert has some issues, but he has the arm,accuracy,size and pedigreee to be a franchise QB.

I say this here because this is also the case with Kyrie and D.Williams. There are guys that will go too high in this draft thanks to it being thin, but those 2 are considered elite talents in any draft.

[GOBB]

N*gga, I'm a prophet with this sh*t. Go ask about me. I'm never wrong.

Kevin Durant, Derrick Rose, John Wall. Do I need to dive into the prospects or is that enough? Your entire angle is to take the hyped up #1 pick in the draft and bash them. No real basis for your argument whatsoever besides "Everyone is high on this kid. Therefore I feel like being the guy on the other side of the fence.". You have absolutely nothing to go on here.

[Sterlingsucks]

I would not say that Kyrie Irving is overrated. I would say that people need to quit with the CP3 comparisions. I think Kyrie Irving is just the #1 player in a decent at best NBA Draft...BUT this draft is nothing like the 2000 NBA Draft at all ! I think he will be a very good PG in the NBA. somewhere between Brandon Jennings and Stephen Curry type numbers.

[Nastradamus]

I'm not ready to stop with them. I think Kyrie has CP3 potential. He has a similar combination of vision,ability to get into the lane,playmaking skills and shooting ability to be a similarly great player. He might not reach the potential, but that's another story.

[keepinitreal]

Off the top of my head, the Cavs and Raps fanbases have convinced themselves that this guy is Jesus in a point guard jersey. They actually want to tank and trade established NBA players just for the best opportunity to draft this dude.

Don't ask me how, but its a fact.

Now moving on... when's the last time a prospect received so much hype for basically doing nothing?? Duke won the championship with the same team he re-joined and basically stymied ball movement in the loss against Arizona.

The guy is a 6'1 attacking, scoring guard that many have convinced themsleves is the best point guard prospect since Jason Kidd.

What the hell are people smoking, man???

Who is better than him right now? Most people know this is a weak draft.

[PoppaHops]

I don't think he is THAT overrated. This draft just isn't quite as strong as previous years. Nothing to be excited about IMO.

I recently saw a workout clip

http://www.nba.com/video/channels/draft/2011/05/17/20110517_irving_workout.nba/index.html

Doesn't seem like hes a good shooter, but athletic. I know it's one vid, but they posted it so probably were like, "yea, it doesn't get much better." John Wall displayed way better shooting abilities and hes not even considered a good shooter.

[Thorpesaurous]

I really like Irving, but I don't think he grades out in the absolute apex of current NBA PGs. He's not in the Paul/Deron/Rose tier, maybe Rondo in there too, although he's so weird he's hard to place.

The problem is Irving plays a similar game to Paul, so the comparisons are gonna come from there, and in this draft, he does get bumped up some. But based on what's here, I'd have no objections to someone taking him one.

However, because of how this draft fell, with Cleveland landing both 1 and 4, I'd be inclined to pass on Paul up top and take Derrick Williams. There's less similar talent to Williams floating around in this draft. I'm not positive he's a franchise player, mainly because I don't completely trust his handle, but between his body and his jumpshot, he'll play, and be productive for a long time. I'd prefer to roll the dice with Williams, and then, maybe it'd be considered a bit of a reach, but take Brandon Knight at 4.

Basically, niether Irving nor Williams will be there at 4, and I think Knight is closer as a prospect to Irving at PG than anything that'll be available at Williams' SF position.

[Nastradamus]

I'd do the same but with Kemba in place of Knight. Scott's offense will make Kemba a star and Williams is a great talent who will probably start at the 3 and also be the stretch 4 behind Hickson. At least after next year when Jamison is gone. Trade Baron Davis for Rip Hamilton and sign a backup C. A Knight/Sessions combo wouldn't be the worst thing in the world either if they don't like Kemba

[CelticBaller]

N*gga, I'm a prophet with this sh*t. Go ask about me. I'm never wrong.
Lol do we need to post all your predictions? you're never right :roll: :roll: :roll:

[zizozain]

no sense of shame

SMFH

[b1imtf]

Hey PB

[CelticBaller]

N*gga, I'm a prophet with this sh*t. Go ask about me. I'm never wrong.
ofc

[irondarts]

I had my doubts about Kyrie, but damn he looks like he's going to be elite.

[Andrei89]

Dumbest posetr on ISH

for real

[Apogee]

PB looking like a fool:lol

[Zenji]

Off the top of my head, the Cavs and Raps fanbases have convinced themselves that this guy is Jesus in a point guard jersey. They actually want to tank and trade established NBA players just for the best opportunity to draft this dude.

Don't ask me how, but its a fact.

Now moving on... when's the last time a prospect received so much hype for basically doing nothing?? Duke won the championship with the same team he re-joined and basically stymied ball movement in the loss against Arizona.

The guy is a 6'1 attacking, scoring guard that many have convinced themsleves is the best point guard prospect since Jason Kidd.

What the hell are people smoking, man???


True, there has been quite a few who could've used couple more years in college (Marvin Williams comes to mind). I don't think Irving is one of them however. This thread is asking to be bumped few years later when Irving meets the expectations.


N*gga, I'm a prophet with this sh*t. Go ask about me. I'm never wrong.

Red = Dumb
Blue = Smart

[IlliniFan]

PB isn't the only dumbass in this thread though.

[KG215]

This definitely deserves a bump with the creation of his "Cleveland Will have the Best Backcourt" thread. Thanks to Meticode for finding it. I had it in my subscribed folder but deleted it month or two ago.

[Dictator]

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[PleezeBelieve]

Thread replies: 57

Thread views: 13,000+

Thread winner: Me


Now continue on with the nonsense. Even when you dudes try to make me look bad, I continue to look good. MODS got jealous and moved the thread because they can't attract the attention that I do. Typical.

[Meticode]

Thread replies: 57

Thread views: 13,000+

Thread winner: Me

Even when you dudes try to make me look bad,
10,000 of those views are you refreshing the thread. Loser: You.

[Goliath Uterus]

Thread replies: 57

Thread views: 13,000+

Thread winner: Me


Now continue on with the nonsense. Even when you dudes try to make me look bad, I continue to look good. MODS got jealous and moved the thread because they can't attract the attention that I do. Typical.


So the more people who view your incorrect predictions, the better you look?

[BrickingStar]

Top 300 by the end of his career

[chips93]

Top 300 by the end of his career


:lebronamazed:

[ILLsmak]

So the more people who view your incorrect predictions, the better you look?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIqN7Cj2Sjw


reminds me of that... lol

-Smak

[CanYouDigIt]

http://i42.tinypic.com/333fqdg.gif

[TheCorporation]

Stop typing words related to basketball.

[tontoz]

Another prediction from OP that turned into "pure gold".

[tomSR.]

:biggums:

[PleezeBelieve]

lol

[FatComputerNerd]

Funny how opinions change

[RedBlackAttack]

4 years later:

3x All-Star
1x All NBA
Rookie of the Year
1x NBA ASG MVP
1x FIBA World Cup MVP
1x 3PT Champion

OP still holding tight.

[CavaliersFTW]

4 years later:

3x All-Star
1x All NBA
Rookie of the Year
1x NBA ASG MVP
1x FIBA World Cup MVP
1x 3PT Champion

OP still holding tight.
Also made his first NBA Finals appearance, and during this regular season set the Cleveland Cavaliers franchise scoring record with 57 points. Following up a 55 point performance.

Kyrie ****ing killing it in the league :lol

[MP.Trey]

OP is a Dion Waiters stan. :roll:

[FatComputerNerd]

:oldlol:

[moongaze]

OP is a Dion Waiters stan. :roll:

Op IS Dion Waiters

[TheWinningFam]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[D-Wait]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[SamuraiSWISH]

How does a Dion Waters stan even exist?

[D-Wait]

How does a Dion Waters stan even exist?

Hey man, there were many Waiters stans among Cavs fans, including myself...
Just look at my nickname :lol :lol

[egokiller]

Kyrie Irving is a monster. The Cavs couldn't ask for a better player to build around for next year.

Called it.

[D-Wait]

https://media.giphy.com/media/HPvfnOuz1tOgg/giphy.gif

[Terahite]

Savage bump. :roll: