switch rose with westbrook.. what happens?

[pauk]

i honestly wouldnt see any difference considering these two players are equally good......

rose would be the 2nd option to Durant

westbrook would be the 1st option and the MVP

what do u think? :confusedshrug:

[Heat007]

Westbrook is also 10X better defensively than Rose so he'd make their team strength even stronger

[Hulk Hogan]

Westbrook is the worst decision making PG EVER!!
and he's worse offensively.

[hkfosho]

OKC will be champions

[1rkrage]

the better question is switch lebron with rose... what happens?

chicago will lose the 2OT arizona game, houston, the @bucks game, etc. all clutch-won situations lol

[pauk]

Westbrook is the worst decision making PG EVER!!
and he's worse offensively.

same shooting percentages... and offensive productions =

PER 36

WESTBROOK

22.5 ppg
8.5 apg (17-26 team points accountability)

40 - 49 total points accountability

ROSE

24.1 ppg
7.6 apg (15-23 team points accountability)

39 - 47 total points accountability


:no:

[mcrd101]

i dont see a significant change for better or worse. as others said, Rose would be the 2nd option to Durant. That's not saying Durant's a ball hog or anything, he's just one of the top players in the league. because of that, Rose won't be able to dominant as much as he can in chicago.

[pauk]

the better question is switch lebron with rose... what happens?


championships... dynasty.... lebron averages a 30 point triple double....

easy...

next question?

[Hulk Hogan]

the better question is switch lebron with rose... what happens?


Miami will be the Favorite to win it all... Rose being the season & Finals MVP!

[pauk]

Miami will be the Favorite to win it all... Rose being the season & Finals MVP!

on NBA 2K11 for xbox/ps3... maybe...

now stop embarrassing yourself with comparing a 10x lesser player to lebron in order of trolling... and stick to topic

[mcrd101]

the better question is switch lebron with rose... what happens?

chicago will lose the 2OT arizona game, houston, the @bucks game, etc. all clutch-won situations lol

if LeBron went to chicago in that situation, i'd see them having similar playoff fates as LeBron's cleveland teams. the Bulls would be a better team than LeBron's cleveland teams but dont see them winning a ring.

as for rose going to the heat, I think they'd have a more legit shot at a championship. with a good PG like that, they might be better at spreading the ball around.

[24r2]

wont change anything lakers still champs

[DRose1899]

Watch Thunder vs Nuggets match 2-3 days ago for answer.
No way Russell will thrive in this bulls set-up and vice versa.

[Tha Catalyst]

Your basing your opinion off stats too much Pauk. While westbrook is a somewhat similar player Rose is a lot smarter and a better leader. He doesn't kill momentum with stupid and careless mistakes like Westbrrok either. RW could not lead this Bulls team past 50 wins.

& Rose + Durant would be a similar dynamic perimeter scoring duo to Wade and Lebron.

[TheTruth11]

i honestly wouldnt see any difference considering these two players are equally good......

rose would be the 2nd option to Durant

westbrook would be the 1st option and the MVP

what do u think? :confusedshrug:


Westbrook is not the leader and closer that DRose is. And Westbrook does not have to face double and triple teams because of Durant. DRose constantly faces doubles and triples.

Put Westbrook on the Bulls and the Bulls are a 500 team but they are not close to leading the Eastern Conference.

[necya]

the best thing in this young Derrick Rose is his leadership. i'm amazed by that.
the last time time i was amazed was watching Tim Duncan dominating the nba.
so i'm very happy.

[juju151111]

Leaning too hard? U got to be kidding me refs

[FKAri]

OKC and Chicago both get worse.

[TrueRob]

No significant change for either team. Also, Westbrook would become insanely overrated.

[jasonresno]

OKC = Champs
Bulls = 5 seed.

[liquidrage]

Would the Bulls run Westbrook off the ball like they do Rose?

Rose plays SG even when he's the PG on the floor many possession a game. They run him through screens and double screens off the ball. OKC never does that for Westbrook.

Westbrook is much better at playing Robin then Batman. He's the much more traditional PG. It's crazy when people say the opposite, Rose never sets the offense, he's the 1st option, over half his assists are off a nothing play. And far more of Roses assists then Westbrooks are outside jump shots.

Westbrook basically gets his points in any system since there mostly one of three types. Fastbreak, penetration and pullup, penetration to the rim.

Rose keeps the ball in his hand longer to score when he has the ball, and also plays off the ball far more then Westbrook. OKC runs much more of a 3 or 4 pass offense. The Bulls play much more iso for Rose, set screens, etc.

I don't think OKC is as good with Rose. And I don't think Chicago is as good as with Westbrook. If you have a #1 option Westbrook is the better PG. If you don't have a #1 option Rose is the better PG. And that's not because Rose gets played different then Westbrook. It's because Westbrook's points would come without taking away from your #1 option more then Rose's would. Meanwhile, if Westbrook's inconsistency in points (it's not really a knock on him his points come from non traditional means a lot) wouldn't really let an offense gel.

[KDthunderup]

the best thing in this young Derrick Rose is his leadership. i'm amazed by that.
the last time time i was amazed was watching Tim Duncan dominating the nba.
so i'm very happy.Yep, that is the main thing Rose has over Westbrook, but we already have leadership in Durant, so we don't need Westbrook to lead the team.

[DRose1899]

Would the Bulls run Westbrook off the ball like they do Rose?

Rose plays SG even when he's the PG on the floor many possession a game. They run him through screens and double screens off the ball. OKC never does that for Westbrook.

Westbrook is much better at playing Robin then Batman. He's the much more traditional PG. It's crazy when people say the opposite, Rose never sets the offense, he's the 1st option, over half his assists are off a nothing play. And far more of Roses assists then Westbrooks are outside jump shots.

Westbrook basically gets his points in any system since there mostly one of three types. Fastbreak, penetration and pullup, penetration to the rim.

Rose keeps the ball in his hand longer to score when he has the ball, and also plays off the ball far more then Westbrook. OKC runs much more of a 3 or 4 pass offense. The Bulls play much more iso for Rose, set screens, etc.

I don't think OKC is as good with Rose. And I don't think Chicago is as good as with Westbrook. If you have a #1 option Westbrook is the better PG. If you don't have a #1 option Rose is the better PG. And that's not because Rose gets played different then Westbrook. It's because Westbrook's points would come without taking away from your #1 option more then Rose's would. Meanwhile, if Westbrook's inconsistency in points (it's not really a knock on him his points come from non traditional means a lot) wouldn't really let an offense gel.
Exactly what I thought, especially the last paragraph. :applause:

[DJmicah]

the better question is switch lebron with rose... what happens?

chicago will lose the 2OT arizona game, houston, the @bucks game, etc. all clutch-won situations lol
man don't bring lebron into this, hulk is already trying to start something, thankfully pauk is committed to staying on topic and discussing rose and westbrook, he's arguing his opinion and not trolling at all, don't try to turn this into a trolling thread

[24r2]

i honestly wouldnt see any difference considering these two players are equally good......

rose would be the 2nd option to Durant

westbrook would be the 1st option and the MVP

what do u think? :confusedshrug:

f a g

[DJmicah]

f a g
^TROLL, why is he a f a g for having opinions and wanting to discuss what he thinks with the others on this board?

[Glide2keva]

^TROLL, why is he a f a g for having opinions and wanting to discuss what he thinks with the others on this board?
All he does is troll. Your opinion lines up with his, but he never gives props to Rose, ever.

He comes in threads and starts threads solely to start shit.

He's not expressing a different opinion, he isn't interested in debate, he just wants to ruin threads.

And stop acting like the thread police, if you're going to do that at least be fair.

All you've done is attack Bulls fans, coming in at the ass end of arguments and taking sides.

[The Choken One]

Bulls would be the 3rd seed in the East...

Thunder would be... in a battle with the Lakers n Mavs for 2nd seed. With them in the end getting it because the Lakers and Mavs are both tanking at this point.

Rose is the better player. Anyone who disagrees, has an agenda. Plain n simple.

[Christofire]

i honestly wouldnt see any difference considering these two players are equally good......

rose would be the 2nd option to Durant

westbrook would be the 1st option and the MVP

what do u think? :confusedshrug:

i had this debate...i like both these guys alot Rose is better but not by a wide margin

[Mirjalovic]

Bulls would be the 3rd seed in the East...

Thunder would be... in a battle with the Lakers n Mavs for 2nd seed. With them in the end getting it because the Lakers and Mavs are both tanking at this point.

Rose is the better player. Anyone who disagrees, has an agenda. Plain n simple.

Agreed.

[GOBB]

i honestly wouldnt see any difference considering these two players are equally good......

rose would be the 2nd option to Durant

westbrook would be the 1st option and the MVP

what do u think? :confusedshrug:

Bulls arent the best team in the East. Westbrook isnt the MVP winner.

Thats what I think. Rose commands the attention I dont think Westbrook would. Also a better playmaker than Westbrook.

I see Chicago just above Atlanta in terms of records with Westbrook.

[DRose.IS.da.MAN]

OP is a butt hurt poster, dont reply back to his shit. No life *****, where were you yesterday when lebron choked once again? hahaha you wished you had ROse on your team, deep down you love rose, its all good you're just insecure, get lebrons dick out of your mouth

[Harrison_Barnes]

They would still be one of the "top" teams in the East.. but no wheres their current state.

[sbw19]

Switch LeBron with Durant. What happens?

[entropy35]

They would be about where they are now. Westbrook has better defense than rose , but rose has slightly better offense (even though his Fg% is lower). Without Durant, Westbrook has faced double teams and has done very well. So i would say he would win MVP if he was in the same position.

Please note that defense is 50% of the game. So when comparing players defense should have a 50% weighting. The difference between rose's offense compared to Westbrook is smaller than the difference between their defense. By that logic Westbrook is better overall player? Opinions?

[e-LIMON-ators]

. Westbrook has better defense than rose

You do know that THIS YR, rose has been playing above average D and westbrook's D has been about average right?
Ric Bucher and hollinger said this on espn about westbrooks D being avg. on a podcast

[All Net]

on NBA 2K11 for xbox/ps3... maybe...

now stop embarrassing yourself with comparing a 10x lesser player to lebron in order of trolling... and stick to topic


You are one of the biggest idiot trolls on this board, I wouldn't talk if I was you.

[Chicago Brawls]

If what I'm reading is correct, OKC is having a terrible season.

How is it possible that a team with an MVP caliber guy like Westbrook playing alongside a top5 player in Durant is not leading the West and the league?

Monta Ellis numbers are very similar to Kobe Bryant's numbers too.

Kevin Love is the MVP.

[Eat Like A Bosh]

Then we might be saying Westbrook > Rose.

[Go Getter]

Then we might be saying Westbrook > Rose.
Nah homie....nice try though.

[DJmicah]

OP is a butt hurt poster, dont reply back to his shit. No life *****, where were you yesterday when lebron choked once again? hahaha you wished you had ROse on your team, deep down you love rose, its all good you're just insecure, get lebrons dick out of your mouth
Damn! you get mad when they troll you about rose but then you come on his thread and post this sh*t? come on, just because he has an opinion that is entitled to him and he thinks rose=westbrook, does not make him butthurt, hes trying to argue his opinion and say WHY he thinks this, instead of posting it all the time without saying why he thinks that, If I had made this thread would you have said the same to me? just because hes trolled in the past and has made it known hes a lebron fan and NOT a kobe/rose fan, doesnt mean he should never be taken seriously when he wants to talk about B-Ball, Give him a chance to stop trolling and actually discuss his opinions

[Kellogs4toniee]

Damn! you get mad when they troll you about rose but then you come on his thread and post this sh*t? come on, just because he has an opinion that is entitled to him and he thinks rose=westbrook, does not make him butthurt, hes trying to argue his opinion and say WHY he thinks this, instead of posting it all the time without saying why he thinks that, If I had made this thread would you have said the same to me? just because hes trolled in the past and has made it known hes a lebron fan and NOT a kobe/rose fan, doesnt mean he should never be taken seriously when he wants to talk about B-Ball, Give him a chance to stop trolling and actually discuss his opinions

No he's a troll. Having an opinion is one thing. Writing 10 threads a day dedicated to down-playing Rose and specifically going into threads stating the same argument he's posted in his own threads just to complete the same agenda makes him a troll. Especially when through his own threads the vast majority have already disagreed.

If you don't see that you must be blind.

[pegasus]

Pauk and Heat007 act so butt-hurt that thread like this one is rather funny than annoying. They just cannot handle the fact that D-Rose has taken the league by storm, and has made countless clutch plays while Miami's superstars basically folded in similar situations all season long.

To downgrade Rose, they are grasping at Westbrook's straw. Suck it, b!tches!

[DJmicah]

No he's a troll. Having an opinion is one thing. Writing 10 threads a day dedicated to down-playing Rose and specifically going into threads stating the same argument he's posted in his own threads just to complete the same agenda makes him a troll. Especially when through his own threads the vast majority have already disagreed.

If you don't see that you must be blind.
Yeah, but a least he has an argument instead of a "U Mad" Pic or some highlight video of lebron, and even if he is trolling, does trolling him back calling him "butthurt" and whatnot help any at all?

[DJmicah]

Pauk and Heat007 act so butt-hurt that thread like this one is rather funny than annoying. They just cannot handle the fact that D-Rose has taken the league by storm, and has made countless clutch plays while Miami's superstars basically folded in similar situations all season long.

To downgrade Rose, they are grasping at Westbrook's straw. Suck it, b!tches!
He just wants people to respect lebron instead of saying "Choker" "quitness" "Ringless" and pay attention to dominance on the court, 26/7/7, people always try to find the bad stuff and never respect his play, hes still an amazing basketball player, whens the last time anyone's ever put up stats like his?

[pegasus]

He just wants people to respect lebron instead of saying "Choker" "quitness" "Ringless" and pay attention to dominance on the court, 26/7/7, people always try to find the bad stuff and never respect his play, hes still an amazing basketball player, whens the last time anyone's ever put up stats like his?

Your passive-aggressive demeanor won't help change people's minds, either. I don't care about 26/7/7 when he averages "c/h/o/k/e" late in games.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

They're still contenders and likely to win 50+ games, but I'm not sure they go as deep in the postseason. Rose might be a volume scorer, but he's closed out a handful of games with scoring skills I don't think Westbrook could do in his dreams.

[DJmicah]

Your passive-aggressive demeanor won't help change people's minds, either. I don't care about 26/7/7 when he averages "c/h/o/k/e" late in games.
so if he was worse than brian scal the first three quarters but in the fourth hit the shot to win it every game you'd respect him as a great player? I Wouldnt, he would be a robert horry type player to me. just remember, EVERY player in basketball history has their flaws, even Jordan, But should be respected for their good aspects anyway.Back in the 90s did you call Jordan a selfish ballhog who couldnt make a three to save his life? I Doubt It

[Notorious D.M.C]

i honestly wouldnt see any difference considering these two players are equally good......

rose would be the 2nd option to Durant

westbrook would be the 1st option and the MVP

what do u think? :confusedshrug:

I think you don't watch any Thunder games unless you are a homer. Rose is on another level from Westbrook. Stats don't tell the whole story.

[Notorious D.M.C]

Westbrook is the most overrated player on ISH today.

[pegasus]

so if he was worse than brian scal the first three quarters but in the fourth hit the shot to win it every game you'd respect him as a great player? I Wouldnt, he would be a robert horry type player to me. just remember, EVERY player in basketball history has their flaws, even Jordan, But should be respected for their good aspects anyway.Back in the 90s did you call Jordan a selfish ballhog who couldnt make a three to save his life? I Doubt It

Fine, I'll take him for my fantasy team, but that's about it.

[DJmicah]

Hey pauk, Pretty much everybody here has proved you wrong, just accept Rose for the great player he is and move on. Even if you dont like him/think hes overrated

[imdaman99]

i dont know what changes, maybe a few less wins here and there. you cant just throw a guy out there who hasnt played in a certain system, its not as if rose became what he is overnight. hes been improving since he got in the league, and westbrook has as well. but westbrook at times plays out of control. hes kinda like WILD THING.

but im sure most these rose/westbrook threads are made for the wrong reasons. to bring rose down a notch. well whatever, for what its worth i'd rather have westbrook but rose is definitely the better player, if not because he is THE man on his team than because he is having a pretty damn good season.

[Glide2keva]

Westbrook is the most overrated player on ISH today.
This.

It's done by people with an Anti-Rose agenda.

[EnoughSaid]

Westbrook is nowhere near D-Rose's level.

[The_Yearning]

Just because Westbrook and D-Rose work out together doesn't mean they are on the same level.

D-Rose > Durant.

[Bigsmoke]

Your passive-aggressive demeanor won't help change people's minds, either. I don't care about 26/7/7 when he averages "c/h/o/k/e" late in games.

short memory?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5_aIh97ADQ

[pegasus]

short memory?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5_aIh97ADQ

Long reach?

It's just a couple of traveling violations mixed in with some good, some lucky stuff. Dated as hell.

[VIntageNOvel]

First time pauk is correct

so replace rose with goatbrook in 2011 ECF,
would they advance?

[JohnMax]

OKC's problem is they are forced to downsize and have Ibaka guard Bosh at the 3 point line. It negates his shotblocking and Miami scores easy in the paint like San Antonio did the first 2 games.

They are also forced to play Sefolosha because they need a perimeter defender against Wade and Lebron. That messes up their offense.

So replacing Rose with Westbrook does not help OKC against Miami at all.

[sd3035]

Rose would sit on the bench looking stupid in OKC

/thread

[HomieWeMajor]

Rose would be dead because they hang retarded black people in OKC

[PickernRoller]

2 first round exists for Durant..... ohhh wait... :lol :lol

[nathanjizzle]

Is this what lebron stans do? Lebron plays hideous so go pick on defensless rose?

Nice hypotheticals. Healthy rose was clearly better than westbrook. One averaging 28.5 points and 7 assists againts the top 8 teams in the league, the other under 20 and 5.5 assists.

Im starting to hate this forum

[PickernRoller]

Is this what lebron stans do? Lebron plays hideous so go pick on defensless rose?

Nice hypotheticals. Healthy rose was clearly better than westbrook. One averaging 28.5 points and 7 assists againts the top 8 teams in the league, the other under 20 and 5.5 assists.

Im starting to hate this forum

Starting to hate? Normal modus operandi here. Rose was great while he played. Sadly he's an afterthought after the injuries. It's what it's - don't pay attention to OP.

[PickernRoller]

You're a fakkit for bumping this.

Yes he is.