Most outrageous single game chuckings of all-time

[rizzy]

Wilt Chamberlin vs Knicks - March 2, 1962 - 36-63

Michael Jordan vs Heat - April 1997 playoffs - 9-35

Kobe Bryant vs Celtics - November 11, 2002 - 17-47 (also 17-44, 19-44)

Allen Iverson vs Bulls - December 13, 2001 - 5-31

Baron Davis randoms chuckings
4/21 (2/9)
6/26 (1/7)
5/22 (2/13)


Most consecutive missed shots in a single game is 17 set by Golden States, Tim Hardaway vs Timberwolves, Dec 1997.


Fun Fact: John Havlicek has the record for most missed shots taken in NBA history

Kobe Bryant is on pace to break John Havlicek's record in the season 2013/14. His current rate is 866 misses a season and he

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:facepalm

[MayCeltics]

You mean in few years Kobe will be the alltime greatest Chucker?

[Joey Zaza]

You mean in few years Kobe will be the alltime greatest Chucker?

Yes, but Havs did it against slow small white guys.

[talkingconch]

:wtf:

[rizzy]

You mean in few years Kobe will be the alltime greatest Chucker?


http://network.yardbarker.com/nba/article_external/kobe_bryant_on_pace_to_set_record_most_missed_fiel d_goals/4002331

[QUOTE]In the next couple of years Kobe Bryant is going to pass another legendary Celtic in the record book. But not in a good way.

Kobe Bryant is on pace to break the record for most missed shots in a career, according to some fun research by John Hollinger at ESPN (a post behind the site

[Mr. Jabbar]

crazy how chucking can be so successful :dancin

[Heat007]

Wilt Chamberlin vs Knicks - March 2, 1962 - 36-63

Michael Jordan vs Heat - April 1997 playoffs - 9-35

Kobe Bryant vs Celtics - November 11, 2002 - 17-47 (also 17-44, 19-44)

Allen Iverson vs Bulls - December 13, 2001 - 5-31

Baron Davis randoms chuckings
4/21 (2/9)
6/26 (1/7)
5/22 (2/13)


Most consecutive missed shots in a single game is 17 set by Golden States, Tim Hardaway vs Timberwolves, Dec 1997.


Fun Fact: John Havlicek has the record for most missed shots taken in NBA history

Kobe Bryant is on pace to break John Havlicek's record in the season 2013/14. His current rate is 866 misses a season and he’s only 2,204 short of the record.

on that Heat game Jordan was 1-18 at one point and 3-24 at another point before his 9-35 shooting overall

He started 0-14 if I remember right.

[bobly]

Yes, but Havs did it against slow small white guys.

I love this post.

[PhillyHoopsTalk]

Iverson put up 40 shots one game I remember. I think it was when he scored 60 against Orlando.

[PhillyHoopsTalk]

Also, Kobe's 80-some point game. 82 right? or was it 81?

[SCdac]

just browsing some of T-Macs games... man, this guy shot alot... surely, he HAD to for that team to win, but some of those games look a little nasty %-wise, have to wonder if he ever froze his teammates out either intentionally or unintentionally.

FEB 2, 2003 @ Atlanta

37 shot attempts.... 14 makes
16 three's.... 5 makes

[creepingdeath]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200105140SAS.html

While Dirk put up a mere 42/18/2/6/1, Finley had 2 points on 1-17 shooting. I call that an epic chuckfest.

[Kblaze8855]

36/63 isnt just....unacceptable.

[Colby Brian]

Wilt Chamberlin vs Knicks - March 2, 1962 - 36-63



he had 100 points

[Colby Brian]

ray allen - 0/13 fg (2010 finals, game 3)

[Grim]

ray allen - 0/13 fg (2010 finals, game 3)
that shit was embarrassing for him



as was CB's 1-18 this season

[v1ncelis]

Chris Bosh anyone? :confusedshrug:

[Insiderbball]

Unlike other players, who's chucking is just a bad game. Kobe's chucking in 2004 finals cost Shaq, Malone, and Payton a championship ring.

Shaq and Malone probably hates Kobe.

[inclinerator]

good lord at the 47 shots for bryant

[Colby Brian]

Unlike other players, who's chucking is just a bad game. Kobe's chucking in 2004 finals cost Shaq, Malone, and Payton a championship ring.

Shaq and Malone probably hates Kobe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvo_ca9cTjk
if it wasnt for that its a sweep

[SinJackal]

Here are some from Kobe's 2005-2006 season.


Kobe vs Clippers, 2005: 12-35 (34%)

Kobe vs Nets, 2005: 14-36 (39%)

Kobe vs Spurs, 2005: 9-33 (27%)

Kobe vs Grizzlies, 2005: 13-37 (35%)

Kobe vs Clippers, 2006: 17-41 (41%)

Kobe vs Suns, 2006: 12-33 (36%)

Kobe vs Knicks, 2006: 12-33 (36%)


There's about 15 more, but those are the worst ones with over 30 shots taken.

[LAClipsFan33]

36/63 isnt just....unacceptable.

57%

:confusedshrug:

[Colby Brian]

Here are some from Kobe's 2005-2006 season.


Kobe vs Clippers, 2005: 12-35 (34%)

Kobe vs Nets, 2005: 14-36 (39%)

Kobe vs Spurs, 2005: 9-33 (27%)

Kobe vs Grizzlies, 2005: 13-37 (35%)

Kobe vs Clippers, 2006: 17-41 (41%)

Kobe vs Suns, 2006: 12-33 (36%)

Kobe vs Knicks, 2006: 12-33 (36%)


There's about 15 more, but those are the worst ones with over 30 shots taken.

you forgot to put the 81 and 62 in 3
what about 2006-07 season, 10 50 point games (more than lebrons whole career), 4 straight 50 point streak, what are numbers from those brah?

[Insiderbball]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvo_ca9cTjk
if it wasnt for that its a sweep

if kobe didn't chuck lakers would of won that series

[SinJackal]

you forgot to put the 81 and 62 in 3
what about 2006-07 season, 10 50 point games (more than lebrons whole career), 4 straight 50 point streak, what are numbers from those brah?

Are you that insecure about your hero Kobe that you had to post about a handful of his good games? :facepalm

It's a thread about poor chucking performances, so don't be so butthurt. But yes, Kobe did ballhog enough to score 81 once, against a bad defensive team that they blew out by 20 and he stayed in to stat pad.

[Colby Brian]

Are you that insecure about your hero Kobe that you had to post about a handful of his good games? :facepalm

It's a thread about poor chucking performances, so don't be so butthurt. But yes, Kobe did ballhog enough to score 81 once, against a bad defensive team that they blew out by 20 and he stayed in to stat pad.

what about 62 in 3 vs the mavs (went to nba finals), kobe 62, mavs 61 end 3rd quarter
lebrons career high: 56
kobe has 5 60 point games, lebron 0
http://files.sharenator.com/Kobe_U_Mad_Apparently_Superwoman_has_an_eyesight_p roblem-s230x180-135498-410.jpg

http://dl-client.getdropbox.com/u/40609/misc/slam131cover.jpg

[Nevaeh]

57%

:confusedshrug:

63 shots is still some serious "Attention Wh0re" style chucking though. :oldlol:
Where the hell were his teammates?

[Colby Brian]

63 shots is still some serious "Attention Wh0re" style chucking though. :oldlol:
Where the hell were his teammates?

100 points gtfo

[Teanett]

what about iverson's career?

[DuMa]

36/63 isnt just....unacceptable.

I find it harder to believe that Wilt missed 27 shots in a game. too bad no video evidence exists of that game because i think it was mostly getting his own rebounds off his misses and putting it back in.

[Batz]

63 shots is still some serious "Attention Wh0re" style chucking though. :oldlol:
Where the hell were his teammates?
missing shots

[PowerGlove]

what about iverson's career?
Only one entry on the list.:oldlol:

Your joke failed bro.

[PHILA]

63 shots is still some serious "Attention Wh0re" style chucking though. :oldlol:
Where the hell were his teammates?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w03Iq2WvZnE#t=1m14s

[SinJackal]

what about 62 in 3 vs the mavs (went to nba finals), kobe 62, mavs 61 end 3rd quarter
lebrons career high: 56
kobe has 5 60 point games, lebron 0


What does LeBron have to do with anything? Are you trying to troll or something? Because I don't like LeBron that much. :confusedshrug:

Also, you just confirmed that you're butthurt over negative facts. :roll:

[Colby Brian]

What does LeBron have to do with anything? Are you trying to troll or something? Because I don't like LeBron that much. :confusedshrug:

Also, you just confirmed that you're butthurt over negative facts. :roll:

dont lie to yourself, your a kobe hatin lebron fan
oh and im so totally butthurt over your comment on the internet :cry:

[Teanett]

Only one entry on the list.:oldlol:

Your joke failed bro.

what joke?

[the_wise_one]

crazy how chucking can be so successful :dancin

Chucking will get you somewhere in the NBA. Problem is, not every player is allowed to do it by the coaches. Only Kobe has free chucking access from PJax - because PJax is whipped.

[SinJackal]

dont lie to yourself, your a kobe hatin lebron fan
oh and im so totally butthurt over your comment on the internet :cry:

I think you have this template of replies in your repetoire, and are incapable of making a legitimate comeback based on the situations. So you just automatically reply with a LeBron trolling comment, even when you aren't even talking to a LeBron fan. :roll:

Such a limited little mind you have. :hammerhead: And you obviously are butthurt. :violin: Or you wouldn't have attempted to your failed trolling.

[Sarcastic]

In Wilt's 100 point game, he hit more shots than most of these other chuckers even took. 36 field goals is :bowdown:




Just as a point of reference as to how hard it is to hit 36 field goals in a game:

Last night in the Miami/Atlanta game, the Heat hit 36 fgs, and the Hawks hit 37. He was literally a 1 man team in that game.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=310411001

[gotbacon23]

http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/2986/612067-john_starks_large.jpg

john starks 10-36 (27.7%) knicks versus the magic in 1993:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199302140ORL.html

http://www.365sportsnews.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Damon-Stoudamire.jpg

damon stoudamire 11-37 (29.7%) raptors versus celtics in 1996:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199612110BOS.html

only 2 players to shoot less than 30% while taking 35+ field goals in a regular season game since 1985-86

[LilBTheBasedGod]

Wilt Chamberlin vs Knicks - March 2, 1962 - 36-63



What a chucker, damn loser :facepalm

[The Choken One]

Kobe had to chuck at one point in his career...look at the fools who started for that team. All bench warmers besides maybe 1 or 2...

And if he was really a chucker...he wouldn't be widely considered a top 10 all-time great... just sayin'.

[Colby Brian]

I think you have this template of replies in your repetoire, and are incapable of making a legitimate comeback based on the situations. So you just automatically reply with a LeBron trolling comment, even when you aren't even talking to a LeBron fan. :roll:

Such a limited little mind you have. :hammerhead: And you obviously are butthurt. :violin: Or you wouldn't have attempted to your failed trolling.

:wtf: :facepalm

[VIP2000]

John Starks 2-18

...and this was Game 7 of the 1994 Finals.

[DeronMillsap]

For one single series, Kobe Bryant's 2004 Finals is one pf the all-time worse.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200406130DET.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200406060LAL.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200406100DET.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200406150DET.html

LeBron's god-awful 2007 Finals topped it though.

[STATUTORY]

Lebron against the spurs and against the Celtics first 4 games were epitome of ineptitutde not just shooting but TOs and all around play

[JustinJDW]

You mean in few years Kobe will be the alltime greatest Chucker?Shit is mad deep bro.

AND WTF! WHAT THE **** IS THAT ON YOUR AVATAR DERONMILLSAP!!! :wtf: :wtf: :wtf:

[jlauber]

:roll: :roll: :roll: at Wilt being a "chucker."

There have been 62 60+ point games in NBA history, and Chamberlain has 32 of them...or more than HALF, by HIMSELF. The next best mark is five, by Kobe and MJ.

In Wilt's 32 games, he shot over 50% in 27, with one game unknown (and four of just under 50%.)

In the other 30 60+ point games, 24 of them were at 50% or better. So, here again, Wilt has more 60+ point games, at 50% shooting, or better, than all of the rest of the players in NBA history...COMBINED.

Of Wilt's 27 games of 50% or better shooting, he had 14 of 60% or better. Meanwhile, of the 24 games of 60+ points by players other than Wilt, 12 of them were at 60%+ shooting. Which, of course, means that Wilt has had more 60+ games of at least 60% shooting, than the entire rest of the players in NBA HISTORY.

Furthermore, there have been five 60+ point games, in which the players shot at least 70%. David Thompson had a 73 point game on 28-38 shooting (.737), and Karl Malone had a 61 point game on 21-26 shooting (.808.) How about Wilt? THREE 60+ point games on at least 70% shooting. He had a 70 point game on 27-38 shooting (.711); a 68 point game on 30-40 shooting (.750), and he had the highest FG% by a player with a 60+ point game, with a 66 point game on 29-35 shooting (.829.)

On top of all of that, Wilt's 60+ point games came in leagues that shot between .415 to a high of .446, so even in the rare instance in which he shot less 50% in his big games, he was STILL outshooting the league average.

[jlauber]

Regarding Chamberlain...

It just amazes me. In this topic, he gets slapped for missing 27 shots in a game in which he shot 57%, scored 100 points (along with 25 rebounds....now THAT's a triple-double)...in a WIN.

He has gotten ripped for "only" averaging 34 ppg in a seven game playoff series, against arguably the greatest defensive center in NBA history...with a badly outgunned team.

He has been labeled a "stats-padder" in his 62-63 season, in which he LED the NBA in 15 of 22 statistical categories, including scoring (by a HUGE margin), rebounding, and in FG% (in which he set a new record at the time.) True, his team lost 35 games by single digits, en route to a 31-49 record...but all he did was play 47.6 mpg, and score 44.8 ppg on .528 shooting, while his inept roster collectively shot .412.

Of course, no one brings up the fact that he led that same basic last-place roster to a 48-32 mark the next year, and a trip to the Finals, where his outgunned team (7-2 in HOFers) was beaten 4-1...in a series in which he averaged 29 ppg and 27 rpg...against Russell, no less.

He was criticized for "only" averaging 28 ppg, on .509 shooting, with 30 rpg, in a series against Boston, in 65-66, in which his teammates shot .429, .375, .325, .325, and , .161. BTW, in the clinching game five loss, all Chamberlain did was put up a 46 point, 34 rebound game...again, against Russell.

None other than Red Auerbach ridiculed Wilt in his 66-67 season, when, at one point in the season, Chamberlain MADE 35 STRAIGHT FGAs. Oh, and BTW, Wilt would lead his team to a 68-13 record, and a dominating world title, which included blowing out Auerbach's Celtics in the ECF's.

In the following season (67-68), Wilt has been the subject of a scathing article by Bill Simmons, of "padding" his assists to win the assist title that season. Oh, and BTW, Chamberlain's TEAM ran away with the best record in the league that season (62-20...with Boston a distant second at 54-28.)

There have been some posters here who then ripped Wilt for his poor shooting in game six of the ECF's, and his lack of shooting in game seven of that series (a 4 pt loss.) Of course, they failed to mention that Wilt was NOTICEABLY LIMPING from game three thru game seven, and his team was playing without HOFer Billy Cunningham the entire series, as well as Luke Jackson and Wali Jones being injured in game five. Oh, and BTW, Wilt grabbed 27 rebounds in that game six, and 34 more rebounds in game seven.

Chamberlain was labeled a "faker" by some in his game seven of the '69 Finals, when he pulled himself out of the game at the six minute mark, with an injury to a knee that he would shred the very next season. Even Bill Russell slammed Wilt for that. Of course, no one mentions that Wilt asked to go back into the game, but his idiotic coach refused, and instead went with Mel Counts, who shot 4-13 in that game. Or that Russell did absolutely NOTHING in the 4th quarter of that game (and Boston nearly blew a 17 point 4th period lead in the process.) Or that in his 43 minutes, Chamberlain outscored Russell, 18-6; outshot Russell, 7-8 to 2-7; and outrebounded Russell, 27-21.

Wilt was also labled the "goat" of the '70 Finals, when all he could do in game seven of that that series, was put up a 21 point game, on 10-16 shooting, with 24 rebounds. The "hero" of that series? Willis Reed, who stumbled out, scored four points, and grabbed three rebounds. Meanwhile, Wilt's teammates were simply awful in that game, including "Mr. Clutch" Jerry West. For the series, Wilt averaged 23.2 ppg, 24.1 rpg, and shot .625 from the field. And while Reed won the Finals MVP, while basically missing much of the last three pivotal games of that series, and contributing very little in those three games, because of a thigh injury...very few mention the fact that Chamberlain was only four months removed from major knee surgery himself.

Chamberlain... the "chucker", the "stats-padder", the "choker", and the "failure."

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

if kobe didn't chuck lakers would of won that series

You are such an informed and knowledgeable poster

[Eric Cartman]

You are such an informed and knowledgeable poster

cool story bro.

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

cool story bro.

/sarcasm

[Horatio33]

Jaysus, Kobe in the 04 finals. I forgot how terrible he was. He had Shaq who shot over 60 percent in that series on less than 15 shots a game. LeBron in 07 was bad, but he didn't have prime Shaq shooting over 60 percent on his team. LeBron would have cut his ego in half to have prime Shaq.

[pauk]

you have obviously not seen derrick rose this season - playoffs?

he made kobrick look actually efficient this season.........

9 of 29
8 of 27
10 of 30
12 of 32
10 of 27
9 of 27
9 of 28
12 of 29
12 of 31

and shit like that

and that from a the ****ing POINTGUARD POSITION..........

[millwad]

good lord at the 47 shots for bryant

Haha, that's nothing.. Wilt Chamberlain had a full season where he averaged 40 shots a game..

If we're talking about the all-time chucker of the league we've Wilt at first place.. That dude like to shoot..

[millwad]

:roll: :roll: :roll: at Wilt being a "chucker."

There have been 62 60+ point games in NBA history, and Chamberlain has 32 of them...or more than HALF, by HIMSELF. The next best mark is five, by Kobe and MJ.


Not so odd when the dude in a full season averaged 40 shots a game, idiot.
Wilt in fact liked to shoot so much that the top 5 list all-time on FGA per game in single seasons belongs to him.

Michael Jordan is 6th on that list and in that season he averaged 12 less shots a game than what Wilt did in the year he averaged the most..

Wilt was a chucker..

[LeFraud James]

Jaysus, Kobe in the 04 finals. I forgot how terrible he was. He had Shaq who shot over 60 percent in that series on less than 15 shots a game. LeBron in 07 was bad, but he didn't have prime Shaq shooting over 60 percent on his team. LeBron would have cut his ego in half to have prime Shaq.



LeBron had Wade and Bosh, yet his ego STILL got the better of him.

He wouldn't even survive a shoot-around with prime Shaq. :oldlol:

[Eric Cartman]

Kobe vs Celtics November 7, 2002

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200211070BOS.html

[millwad]

Regarding Chamberlain...


He has been labeled a "stats-padder" in his 62-63 season, in which he LED the NBA in 15 of 22 statistical categories, including scoring (by a HUGE margin), rebounding, and in FG% (in which he set a new record at the time.) True, his team lost 35 games by single digits, en route to a 31-49 record...but all he did was play 47.6 mpg, and score 44.8 ppg on .528 shooting, while his inept roster collectively shot .412.


Chamberlain... the "chucker", the "stats-padder", the "choker", and the "failure."

Wilt was a true statpadder, we are talking about the same dude who dropped in almost every category when the playoffs came around..

He is the same guy who statpadded a whole season in the '61-'62 season and averaged 40 shots a game and scored 50 points as an average but when the playoffs came around his scoring average went down with 15 points.. Ok, he still scored alot of points but still he dropped big time, but scoring wasn't it all, he also dropped his FG% to 46% which is pathetic for a guy who scores that much..

STATPADDER..

[Eric Cartman]

Wilt was a true statpadder, we are talking about the same dude who dropped in almost every category when the playoffs came around..

He is the same guy who statpadded a whole season in the '61-'62 season and averaged 40 shots a game and scored 50 points as an average but when the playoffs came around his scoring average went down with 15 points.. Ok, he still scored alot of points but still he dropped big time, but scoring wasn't it all, he also dropped his FG% to 46% which is pathetic for a guy who scores that much..

STATPADDER..

What if i told you that in one game, Kobe shoot the ball 47 times & didn't score 50? How would you feel?

[asdf1990]

derrick rose last season

[Story Up]

Love how this moron names 3 of Kobe's games but only one of Jordan. Remember when Jordan took almost 50 shots on terrible %? yeah dipshit.

[boozehound]

Wilt Chamberlin vs Knicks - March 2, 1962 - 36-63

sorry, but this isnt chucking, regardless of the # of shots taken. You cant shoot 55% and still be chucking. even against slow old white guys with wwII leg wounds and malnourished irish childhoods.

[Samurai Swoosh]

you have obviously not seen derrick rose this season - playoffs?
He played the PG spot, and the SG spot.

So in terms of number of shots, that's about right considering he was the offense for both positions.

:oldlol:

[Eric Cartman]

J-Kidd also had a horrible game a while back to. 1-17 or 1-15 if i remember correctly.

[StacksOnDeck]

If Kobe shot 63 times, he'd def have more than 100 points.

[Pursuer]

Michael Jordan 19-43 in the 1993 finals?

[jlauber]

Wilt was a true statpadder, we are talking about the same dude who dropped in almost every category when the playoffs came around..

He is the same guy who statpadded a whole season in the '61-'62 season and averaged 40 shots a game and scored 50 points as an average but when the playoffs came around his scoring average went down with 15 points.. Ok, he still scored alot of points but still he dropped big time, but scoring wasn't it all, he also dropped his FG% to 46% which is pathetic for a guy who scores that much..

STATPADDER..

You have proven to be among the most pathetic posters on this forum. The "stats-padder" whose scoring dropped in the post-season. Yep, in his first seven seasons, covering six post-seasons, all Chamberlain did was average 33 ppg, 27 rpg, and shot .510 in leagues that ranged from .410 to .441, or less than .430 on average. In that span, he took a LAST-PLACE team from a 32-40 record, to a 49-26 record in his ROOKIE season (which was a TEAM record at the time BTW.)

Then in that season you quoted, 61-62, Chamberlain took that same basic last-place cast of clowns, to a 49-31 record, with a 50-26 .506 season (in a league that shot .426.) Ok, his scoring dropped in the post-season. BUT, even during the regular season that year, he "only" averaged 38 ppg on .470 shooting against Russell (and his SWARMING Celtics.) So, his 34-26 series against Russell was not a huge drop-off. BUT, of course, you fail to mention a couple of other interesting facts about that season, as well. Chamberlain took that team, to a game seven, two-point loss against Russell's 60-20 Celtics, and their SEVEN HOFers. And while Russell had THREE other teammates shoot better than the league average in the post-season, Wilt's BEST shooting teammate in the post-season, Tom Meschery, shot .397. How about Wilt's two other HOF teammates (one of them, Gola, who has as much business being in the HOF as Dickwad does)? Arizin shot .375, and Gola shot .271. In fact, Chamberlain's teammates shot a collective .354 in that post-season...and somehow Chamberlain STILL got them to that game seven.

Some idiots here like to bring up Wilt's 62-63 season, when his TEAM went 31-49. Ok, all Wilt did was average 47.6 mpg, 44.8 ppg, 24.3 rpg, and shoot a then-record .528 from the field, in a league that shot .441. In fact, he LED the NBA in FIFTEEN of the 22 statistical categories...or 70% of them. And while they compiled a 31-49 record, they lost 35 games by single digits, and an average differential of only -2.1 ppg. Oh, and BTW, while Wilt was shooting a league record .528, his teammates collectively shot .412...which was considerably worse than the WORST team in the league (.427.)

THEN, those that hold that '62-63 season against Wilt, NEVER mention his 63-64 season. Why? Because he took that same cast of clowns to a 48-32 record, and into the Finals, where they lost to Russell's Celtics, and their EIGHT to TWO edge in HOFers, 4-1 (with two of those wins coming in the last few seconds BTW.) All the "stats-padder" did that post-season was average 34.7 ppg, 25.2 rpg, and shot .543...in a league that shot .433. And, in the Finals against Russell, he outscored Russell, per game, 29-11, and outrebounded him, per game, 27-25. And while we don't know their H2H FG%'s, we do know that Chamberlain shot .543 in his 12 post-season games, while Russell shot .356 in his ten playoff games...and FIVE of them were H2H.

Wilt suffered from a mysterious aliment before the start of the 64-65 season, and the Warrior team physicians diagnosed it as a heart condition. Despite being sickly, and losing a ton of weight, Chamberlain still averaged 39 ppg in the first half of the season (and with the new widened lane.) Still, his team was again so awful, that they went 10-27 with him (of course the "anti-Chamberlain clan will always fail to mention that they went 7-36 without him that season.) He was traded at mid-season, mainly because the Warriors panicked. Here again, those that rip Chamberlain here always end THEIR version at that point. They conveniently forget to bring up what happened next. Chamberlain went to a Sixer team that had been a bottom-feeding 34-46 the year before, and took them to a 40-40 record. THEN, he took that ragtag group to a 3-1 series romp over Oscar's 48-32 Royals in the first round of the playoffs. AND THEN, he took that 40-40 team, on his back, and with a 30 ppg, 31 rpg series (yes, a 30-31 SERIES) to a game seven, ONE-POINT loss against the 62-18 Celtics, and their SIX HOFers. In game seven, all Chamberlain did was score 30 points, on 12-15 shooting, with 32 rebounds.

How about the next season? Remember his 62-63 season, when he LED the NBA in scoring, rebounding, and set a then-record FG% mark? Well, he did the SAME thing again in 65-66. The result? A league BEST record of 55-25. Interesting wasn't it? In one season, he leads the league in scoring, rebounding, and FG%...and his team goes 31-49. In another season, he leads the NBA in scoring, rebounding, and FG%...and his team has the BEST record in the league. What changed?

Here are some more interesting facts about the "chucker" and the "stats-padder." He outshot the league average, and by a MILE, EVERY season in which he played. Even in that "stats-padding" 61-62 season, in which he took 39.5 FGAs per game, he shot .506 against a league average of .426. In his 44.8 ppg season, he shot .528 against the league average of .441. In his 33.5 ppg season in 65-66, he shot .540 in a league that shot .433. Of course, after that, he OBLITERATED the league average. In his '66-67 season, he averaged 24.1 ppg on .683 shooting, in a league that shot .441...or a mind-boggling .244 margin. He would also outshoot the league by 150 points or more, for most of the rest of his career, including a record differential of .271 in his LAST season (when he shot .727 in a league that shot .456.)

Even ShaqAttack has ATTEMPTED to diminish Wilt's first NINE seasons (eight post-seasons), when all Chamberlain did in those post-seasons, was average 29.3 ppg, 26.6 rpg, 4.8 apg, and on a .518 FG% (again, in league's that shot, on average, about .430.) And, had Wilt's pathetic roster in '63 done anything at all, and Wilt would have taken his 44.8 ppg, 24.3 rpg, and .528 season into the post-season....which would have surely raised his post-season numbers over the course of his first nine seasons to something along the lines of well over 30 ppg. Think about that...the "stats-padder" who guided SEVERAL horrible rosters to near upsets of the greatest dynasty in professional sports history, nearly averaged 30-27-5 .520 in his first EIGHT post-seasons. And had blocked shots been an official stat, and Chamberlain's line would have looked like this... 30-27-5-8 and on .520 shooting...in leagues that shot .430.

Continued...

[jlauber]

Continuing...

Yep...his scoring dropped so much. He had FOUR entire post-seasons of 33.2 ppg, 34.7 ppg, 35.0 ppg, and 37.0 ppg. He had SIX post-seasons of 28.0+ ppg. He had THREE post-season series of 37 ppg, 37 ppg, and 39 ppg. He had FOUR post-season series, just against RUSSELL, in which he averaged 30+ ppg (including one that was a 30-31 seven game series.) He also had FOUR 50+ point games, including a 56-35 game five in a best-of-five series (a WIN BTW), as well as a monstrous 50-35 game, in an elimination game, and against RUSSELL (and in another WIN BTW.) He also had FOUR 40-30 games, just against RUSSELL. And the "stats-padder" also had a 21.7 ppg, 29.1 rpg, 9.2 apg, and on .579 shooting post-season, in which he took his 68-13 team to a dominating title (and he badly outplayed Russell and Thurmond in the process.) BTW, in that '67 post-season, he had TWO straight series in which he AVERAGED a TRIPLE-DOUBLE. One, against the Royals, he averaged 28 ppg, 26.5 rpg, 11.0 apg, and on .612 shooting. Then, against RUSSELL, he averaged 22 ppg, 32 rpg (yes 32.0 rpg!), 10 apg, and on .556 shooting.

He also had the ONLY 20-20 .600 Finals in NBA history, with a seven game series against the heavily-favored Knicks in '70 (and basically on ONE leg BTW), in which he averaged 23.2 ppg, 24.1 rpg, and shot .625. And that included an elimination game of 45 points, on 20-27 shooting, with 27 rebounds.

BTW, those that constantly harp on Wilt's "declining" production in the post-season, NEVER mention the fact that he ELEVATED his rebounding SIGNIFICANTLY in the post-season. He went from a 22.9 rpg regular season average, to 24.5 rpg in his 160 post-season games. His LOW playoff season was 20.2 rpg. In his LAST post-season, covering 17 games, he averaged 22.5 rpg (in a league that averaged 51.6 rpg.) He had EIGHT post-seasons of 24.7+ rpg, including three of 27.2 rpg, 29.1 rpg, and 30.2 rpg!

He also faced a HOF center in TWO-THIRDS of his 160 post-season games, and outplayed, or destroyed them all. Even after his horrific knee operation in '70. He was seldom outscored, only outshot once (and he missed 20 shots in that series, while his opposing center missed 107), and he was NEVER outrebounded...in 29 post-season series. Furthermore, he was OUTGUNNED in HOFers in all but one post-season. And some were HUGE margins. He faced Russell's Celtics EIGHT times, and their FIVE to NINE HOFers. He faced the Knicks FOUR times, and their FOUR to SIX HOFers. And he faced the Kareem-Oscar combo twice, once without BOTH West and Baylor.

With all of that, the "stats-padder" played in 14 seasons. He played on TWELVE winning teams (and was BRILLIANT on the two that had losing records.) He took TWELVE teams to the Conference Finals. He played on SIX Conference Champions. He played on SIX division champions. He played on SIX teams that went to the Finals. He played on FOUR teams that won 60+ games. He played on FOUR teams with the best record in thee league. And he anchored two title teams (that went 68-13 and 69-13...including a record 33 game winning streak.)

THAT was SAME "stats-padder" that Dickwad claims to have "declined" so much in his post-season career.

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

Michael Jordan 19-43 in the 1993 finals?

Shhh you aren't allowed to mention inefficient chucking games for Jordan.

[Irish]

You can't call MJ Kobe or Wilt chuckers, when they are the superstars on the team, who when the offense is not working, are entrusted to shoot.

Save that description for guys like Earl Smith, Maggette, Al Harrington, players who would be better off deferring.

[millwad]

You have proven to be among the most pathetic posters on this forum. The "stats-padder" whose scoring dropped in the post-season. Yep, in his first seven seasons, covering six post-seasons, all Chamberlain did was average 33 ppg, 27 rpg, and shot .510 in leagues that ranged from .410 to .441, or less than .430 on average. In that span, he took a LAST-PLACE team from a 32-40 record, to a 49-26 record in his ROOKIE season (which was a TEAM record at the time BTW.)



First of all, when we're talking about pathetic you are the number one, you are the worst poster ever, by far. All you do is putting up pure excuses about Wilt and spam about him. Some other posters on this site do the crap and the spamming you do but the difference is, they are like 12 years old and you are 56 years old.



And of course, Wilt was a statpadder, the guy have the top 5 most FGA per game as an average and there was no reason for him to take all those shots and he didn't always shot on great FG %. Like in his rookie season (he was 23 at that time) no one has ever in league history shot more than what Wilt did that season and Wilt shot a pathetic 46% from the court.

And it's funny that you always want to compare what he did great vs other all-time greats, the things he did bad you just blame on the era. And while talking about how great defense he faced, how many double teams did dear Wilt face vs other all-time greats from later eras? The defense Wilt faced is nothing compared to what other all-time greats faced in later era's..

And what's also interesting is that his scoring average always went down in the playoffs and his FG% as well and he averaged an amazing 46% from the FT-line. He averaged 8 less points per game in the playoffs on worse FG% when the most of the all-time greats do it backwards, they actually shine even more in the playoffs..

And by the way, all the spamming about how Wilt was such a god when it came to rebounding, we are talking about an era where Elgin Baylor averaged 19.8 rebounds per game in a season and had plenty of seasons where he averaged more than 15 rebounds per game.... ELGIN BAYLOR, a 6-5 GUARD...

But no, lets make everyone believe that Wilt was the most amazing player by all-time and every time he did something bad it was his teammates who "sucked" and not because Wilt wasn't playing like he used to do..

[alexandreben]

Wilt Chamberlin vs Knicks - March 2, 1962 - 36-63

you do realize that's a 57% field goald right? i think you might want to use another example to express your opinion, Wilt shot 23 of 60 in 1962, which he missed 37 shots, i think that's what you want:hammerhead:

[MaxFly]

Love how this moron names 3 of Kobe's games but only one of Jordan. Remember when Jordan took almost 50 shots on terrible %? yeah dipshit.

Which game was that?

[MaxFly]

Michael Jordan 19-43 in the 1993 finals?

That's 44%... it's a lot of shots... but it's not terribly inefficient.

He did have a 17/43 game and a couple of 13/36 type games...

[millwad]

Continuing...

He also faced a HOF center in TWO-THIRDS of his 160 post-season games, and outplayed, or destroyed them all. Even after his horrific knee operation in '70. He was seldom outscored, only outshot once (and he missed 20 shots in that series, while his opposing center missed 107), and he was NEVER outrebounded...in 29 post-season series. Furthermore, he was OUTGUNNED in HOFers in all but one post-season. And some were HUGE margins. He faced Russell's Celtics EIGHT times, and their FIVE to NINE HOFers. He faced the Knicks FOUR times, and their FOUR to SIX HOFers. And he faced the Kareem-Oscar combo twice, once without BOTH West and Baylor.



Haha, bravo, you did it again!
I like the fact that you mention that Wilt only missed 20 shots in the series vs Kareem in '72 and that Kareem missed 107 shots trying to make it sound better than it really was..

What you forgot to mention was the fact that even though Wilt "only" missed 20 shots he still had a worse FG% than Kareem had while missing 107 shots.


Wilt vs Kareem in '72 playoffs:

Wilt - 10.8 ppg, 19.3 rpg, 3.3 apg, 45.2 FG%, 44 FT% (probably about a 6-7 block average)

Kareem - 33.7 ppg, 17.5 rpg, 4.8 apg on 45.7 FG%, 84 FT% (probably about 4-5 block average)

Haha, I rather take Kareem who outscored Wilt with 23 points a game on higher FG%..

[catch24]

60+ shots, no matter how many possessions in a game = absurd. Not hating, but that's ALOT of shots :oldlol:

Kinda irritating seeing 40+ attempts on low shooting percentages, though sometimes you gotta take the bad with the good.

[DirkNowitzki41]

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I was about to read this whole thread but someone started spamming in the last couple of pages and I got tired of scrolling down on my phone.

[JerrySteakhouse]

1-18


I was about to read this whole thread but someone started spamming in the last couple of pages and I got tired of scrolling down on my phone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZC0DBzfDko

[Story Up]

Which game was that?
He took 49 shots once to score 64 points. Kobe took 49 shots once and scored 81. Let's not pretend Jordan only took 40+ shots once or is it the FG% that constitutes a chucker?

Countless perimeter players shot the ball efficiently in the 80'sand 90's despite lack of talent from SG/SF position. Back then big man were dominant, today it's perimeter players. Lets pretend it was not easier to score for perimeter players back in Jordan's era... Rolls eyes.

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

He took 49 shots once to score 64 points. Kobe took 49 shots once and scored 81. Let's not pretend Jordan only took 40+ shots once or is it the FG% that constitutes a chucker?

Countless perimeter players shot the ball efficiently in the 80'sand 90's despite lack of talent from SG/SF position. Back then big man were dominant, today it's perimeter players. Lets pretend it was not easier to score for perimeter players back in Jordan's era... Rolls eyes.

Actually Kobe took 46 shots in his 81 point game, but I agree with everything else

[millwad]

Actually Kobe took 46 shots in his 81 point game, but I agree with everything else

No one can call Kobe a chucker for taking 46 shots in his 81 point game, he took 6 more shots that game than what Wilt averaged in his third pro season but the difference was that Kobe scored 81 and the chucker Wilt averaged 50 points a game (on 40 shots and 17 FTA)..

[Jasper]

jennings seems like he's in the minor leagues with his periodic 22-25% shooting over the last two years :lol

[Jasper]

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I was about to read this whole thread but someone started spamming in the last couple of pages and I got tired of scrolling down on my phone.


D-Wade took his wrist rubber bands and tied Bosh's arms behind his back , other wise it could of been 1 for 19 :oldlol:

[jlip]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pgl_finder.cgi?request=1&player=&match=game&year_min=1986&year_max=2011&age_min=0&age_max=99&team_id=&opp_id=&is_playoffs=N&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=&is_starter=&is_active=&is_hof=&pos=&c1stat=fga&c1comp=gt&c1val=30&c2stat=fg_pct&c2comp=lt&c2val=.38&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&order_by=pts

[catch24]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pgl_finder.cgi?request=1&player=&match=game&year_min=1986&year_max=2011&age_min=0&age_max=99&team_id=&opp_id=&is_playoffs=N&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=&is_starter=&is_active=&is_hof=&pos=&c1stat=fga&c1comp=gt&c1val=30&c2stat=fg_pct&c2comp=lt&c2val=.38&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&order_by=pts

No surprise the top 10 consists of repeat offenders.

[BlackWhiteGreen]

What about the game where David Robinson took loads of shots for the scoring title?

[millwad]

What about the game where David Robinson took loads of shots for the scoring title?

He statpadded for sure but he didn't chuck up crappy shots, he was really effective in all honesty..

He took 41 shots in that game and made 26 of them and he made 18 of 25 FT's in that game, grabbed 14 rebounds and had 5 assists and 2 blocks.

Just to have something to compare with, Robinson in that game only shot 1 more shot than what Wilt had as an average in his third season as a pro. The difference was that Robinson in that game scored 71 points and Wilt averaged 50 points per game..

[BlackWhiteGreen]

He statpadded for sure but he didn't chuck up crappy shots, he was really effective in all honesty..

He took 41 shots in that game and made 26 of them and he made 18 of 25 FT's in that game, grabbed 14 rebounds and had 5 assists and 2 blocks.

Just to have something to compare with, Robinson in that game only shot 1 more shot than what Wilt had as an average in his third season as a pro. The difference was that Robinson in that game scored 71 points and Wilt averaged 50 points per game..

Thanks for the info... I guess its more acceptable to take that amount of shots when you're being that efficient! Although I think it helps being a big...

[jlauber]

He statpadded for sure but he didn't chuck up crappy shots, he was really effective in all honesty..

He took 41 shots in that game and made 26 of them and he made 18 of 25 FT's in that game, grabbed 14 rebounds and had 5 assists and 2 blocks.

Just to have something to compare with, Robinson in that game only shot 1 more shot than what Wilt had as an average in his third season as a pro. The difference was that Robinson in that game scored 71 points and Wilt averaged 50 points per game..

Oh, we are talking about HIGH efficiency games I see. Obviously you did not read thru the entire topic, but I'll refresh you...


Re: Most outrageous single game chuckings of all-time

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at Wilt being a "chucker."

There have been 62 60+ point games in NBA history, and Chamberlain has 32 of them...or more than HALF, by HIMSELF. The next best mark is five, by Kobe and MJ.

In Wilt's 32 games, he shot over 50% in 27, with one game unknown (and four of just under 50%.)

In the other 30 60+ point games, 24 of them were at 50% or better. So, here again, Wilt has more 60+ point games, at 50% shooting, or better, than all of the rest of the players in NBA history...COMBINED.

Of Wilt's 27 games of 50% or better shooting, he had 14 of 60% or better. Meanwhile, of the 24 games of 60+ points by players other than Wilt, 12 of them were at 60%+ shooting. Which, of course, means that Wilt has had more 60+ games of at least 60% shooting, than the entire rest of the players in NBA HISTORY.

Furthermore, there have been five 60+ point games, in which the players shot at least 70%. David Thompson had a 73 point game on 28-38 shooting (.737), and Karl Malone had a 61 point game on 21-26 shooting (.808.) How about Wilt? THREE 60+ point games on at least 70% shooting. He had a 70 point game on 27-38 shooting (.711); a 68 point game on 30-40 shooting (.750), and he had the highest FG% by a player with a 60+ point game, with a 66 point game on 29-35 shooting (.829.)

On top of all of that, Wilt's 60+ point games came in leagues that shot between .415 to a high of .446, so even in the rare instance in which he shot less 50% in his big games, he was STILL outshooting the league average.

So, as you can see, Chamberlain had a 70 point game on 27-38 shooting (kind of blows away a 71 point game on 26-41 shooting doesn't it?) . He also had a 66 point game on 29-35 shooting. Of course, he also holds the THREE highest "perfect games" in NBA HISTORY, as well, with games of 15-15, 16-16, and 18-18 (42 point game...on PERFECT shooting.) And BTW, Chamberlain also MADE 35 STRAIGHT FGAs, too. Let's see you find anyone else who accomplished that feat.

Or, how about averaging 24.1 ppg on .683 shooting...for an ENTIRE season? AND, at the SAME time, leading the league in rebounding by a huge margin at 24.2 rpg, AND finishing THIRD in the league in apg, at 7.8 . And, as BOTH of us KNOW, he was probably averaging at least 8 bpg at the SAME time, too. One more thing...he did all of that while leading his TEAM to a 68-13 record, and an overwhelming title.

And, in Hakeem's highest scoring season (and in a league that shot .466), he averaged 27.8 ppg on .516 shooting. Robinson's highest scoring season was 29.2 ppg on .507 shooting, in a league that also shot .466. Meanwhile, Chamberlain had that 50.4 ppg season, on .506 shooting, in a league that shot .426. Or, how about Wilt's 44.8 ppg on .528 shooting (in a league that shot .441)? Or his 33.5 ppg on .540 shooting, in a league that shot .433? Or the fact that Wilt LED the NBA in rebounding in ALL three of those seasons, and came in first in FG% in two of them (the 50.4 ppg season was "only" second behind Bellamy's .509.)

Kind of puts Chamberlain's "chunking" into more of a perspective doesn't it? The FACT was, Wilt was outshooting his league's by LIGHT YEARS. He was FAR more efficient in his BIG games, than Hakeem or Robinson, or ANYONE else was in their's, as well.

[Nevaeh]

sorry, but this isnt chucking, regardless of the # of shots taken. You cant shoot 55% and still be chucking. even against slow old white guys with wwII leg wounds and malnourished irish childhoods.

Not to mention other Jobs that they worked part time just to keep food on the table :oldlol:

[D.J.]

Kobe's game against the Celtics in '02 was the worst I've ever seen. That was when Shaq was healing on company time. Ironic part is the Lakers only lost by a few points.

[Chalkmaze]

John Starks 2-18

...and this was Game 7 of the 1994 Finals.


Yep, that's the one that sticks out for me.


Kobe has been a major chucker many many times. (I have prime Shaq wide open in the post and have 3 guys on me 17 feet from the hoop... I'm shooting this shit.)

Wilt hogged.

Jordan was a hog at times, but was so damn good it was justified, especially since he eventually learned to pass when his teammates were at their spots where they were good.

[jlauber]

Yep, that's the one that sticks out for me.


Kobe has been a major chucker many many times. (I have prime Shaq wide open in the post and have 3 guys on me 17 feet from the hoop... I'm shooting this shit.)

Wilt hogged.

Jordan was a hog at times, but was so damn good it was justified, especially since he eventually learned to pass when his teammates were at their spots where they were good.

Wilt "hogged?" The SAME Chamberlain that was routinely outshooting the LEAGUE AVERAGE in FG% by 100-200+ points (e.g. 33.5 ppg on .540 shooting in a league that shot .433...or 24.1 ppg on .683 shooting in a league that shot .441)?

Of course you didn't read my post just above your's. Chamberlain had THREE 60+ point games on 70%+ FG%'s...with the all-time RECORD of a .829 (29-35.) The same "ball-hogging" Chamberlain that LED the NBA in ASSISTS, and came in THIRD in another season?

How come Wilt was considered a "ball hog", when over half his career he dramatically cut back his shooting...even though he could EASILY have LED the league in at least 3-4 more seasons? (Just ask Rick Barry who won the scoring title in '67 with a 35.6 ppg average, and who was quoted as saying that he (Barry) won it "because Wilt wasn't interested in winning it.") And think about this...after being a facilitator from '67 thru '69, Wilt's new coach in the 69-70 season asked Wilt to become the focal point of the Laker offense. And Chamberlain responded with a 32.2 ppg average in his first nine games. Unfortunately, he blew out his knee in that ninth game (BTW, a 33 point game on 13-13 shooting), and was never the same again. All of which gives anyone a pretty good indication that had Wilt been a true "ball-hog", he could have won as many as 11 scoring titles. Not only that, but he could have probably have averaged 35-40+ ppg in some of those seasons.

Furthermore, MJ and Kobe actually took a higher percentage of their team's shots, per minute played, in their biggest "chucking" seasons, than Wilt did in his 50 ppg season.

But, yes, ONLY Chamberlain was a "ball-hog."

[Chalkmaze]

Wilt "hogged?" The SAME Chamberlain that was routinely outshooting the LEAGUE AVERAGE in FG% by 100-200+ points (e.g. 33.5 ppg on .540 shooting in a league that shot .433...or 24.1 ppg on .683 shooting in a league that shot .441)?

Of course you didn't read my post just above your's. Chamberlain had THREE 60+ point games on 70%+ FG%'s...with the all-time RECORD of a .829 (29-35.) The same "ball-hogging" Chamberlain that LED the NBA in ASSISTS, and came in THIRD in another season?

How come Wilt was considered a "ball hog", when over half his career he dramatically cut back his shooting...even though he could EASILY have LED the league in at least 3-4 more seasons? (Just ask Rick Barry who won the scoring title in '67 with a 35.6 ppg average, and who was quoted as saying that he (Barry) won it "because Wilt wasn't interested in winning it.") And think about this...after being a facilitator from '67 thru '69, Wilt's new coach in the 69-70 season asked Wilt to become the focal point of the Laker offense. And Chamberlain responded with a 32.2 ppg average in his first nine games. Unfortunately, he blew out his knee in that ninth game (BTW, a 33 point game on 13-13 shooting), and was never the same again. All of which gives anyone a pretty good indication that had Wilt been a true "ball-hog", he could have won as many as 11 scoring titles. Not only that, but he could have probably have averaged 35-40+ ppg in some of those seasons.

Furthermore, MJ and Kobe actually took a higher percentage of their team's shots, per minute played, in their biggest "chucking" seasons, than Wilt did in his 50 ppg season.

But, yes, ONLY Chamberlain was a "ball-hog."


Really, you're gonna argue that Chamberlain didn't hog? LOL!

No matter how good you are, you score 50 ppg, you are a hog.

[jlauber]

Really, you're gonna argue that Chamberlain didn't hog? LOL!

No matter how good you are, you score 50 ppg, you are a hog.

BUT, MJ's 37.1 ppg season, on .482 shooting, in a league that shot .480, on a team that went 40-42 was not hogging? Or Kobe's 35.4 ppg on .450 shooting, in a league that shot .454, on a 45-37 team, was not hogging?

YET, Wilt's 50.4 ppg season, on .506 shooting (and also with 835 MADE FTs...which is more than either MJ or Kobe ever made in a season), in a league that shot .426...on a team that went 49-31, and took the 60-20 Celtics, and their SEVEN HOFers to a game seven, two-point loss...WAS ball-hogging???

[Chalkmaze]

BUT, MJ's 37.1 ppg season, on .482 shooting, in a league that shot .480, on a team that went 40-42 was not hogging? Or Kobe's 35.4 ppg on .450 shooting, in a league that shot .454, on a 45-37 team, was not hogging?

YET, Wilt's 50.4 ppg season, on .506 shooting (and also with 835 MADE FTs...which is more than either MJ or Kobe ever made in a season), in a league that shot .426...on a team that went 49-31, and took the 60-20 Celtics, and their SEVEN HOFers to a game seven, two-point loss...WAS ball-hogging???

I believe Jordan and Kobe WERE ballhogging those years which I already alluded to.

Yep, and Wilt was ballhogging during his 50 ppg season too.

I've personally know of at least one top notch coach in the NBA who feels the same way.

[jlauber]

I believe Jordan and Kobe WERE ballhogging those years which I already alluded to.

Yep, and Wilt was ballhogging during his 50 ppg season too.

I've personally know of at least one top notch coach in the NBA who feels the same way.

Well, that may be true, but that coach wasn't WILT'S COACH in that 61-62 season. The SAME coach who ASKED Chamberlain to score 50+ ppg because he knew that was his team's ONLY hope. Fans forget that little fact. The truth was, Wilt did whatever his coach's asked him to do...even the several incompetent one's that he had in his career.

[Chalkmaze]

Well, that may be true, but that coach wasn't WILT'S COACH in that 61-62 season. The SAME coach who ASKED Chamberlain to score 50+ ppg because he knew that was his team's ONLY hope. Fans forget that little fact. The truth was, Wilt did whatever his coach's asked him to do...even the several incompetent one's that he had in his career.

Maybe he did, I don't know, and that's fine, you can put the blame on the coach if you'd like, but Chamberlain continued to score like mad with different coaches too. Problem was, you've got to let the other guys get more involved and have a more balanced approach. Let the other guys touch the ball a little bit and get a feel for the game, take advantage of their strengths, most players can't just turn it off and on on a whim.

[N0Skillz]

Which game was that?


MJ shot 17-43

against the houston rockets


19-43 in another game against LA

and

27-49 in another game against orlando

[imlmf]

crazy how chucking can be so successful :dancin


when you have dominating big men to ride their d!ck on, you can afford to chuck and still have a free ride to championships

all the teams kobe won with have the most dominating frontcourts league wide

[RazorBaLade]

when you have dominating big men to ride their d!ck on, you can afford to chuck and still have a free ride to championships

all the teams kobe won with have the most dominating frontcourts league wide

so was it the most dominating front courts fault for losing in 08 and 11?

[Nash-tastic]

Not trying to disrespect anyone but every great player has hogged the ball but its those opportunities which showcases their talent.

[ShaqAttack3234]

No mention of Wilt's game 6 in the 1968 EDF?

20 points on 8/23 FG and 6/21 FT while his teammate Hal Greer scored 40 points on 15/24 FG and 10/13 FT. :oldlol: I've heard of more shot attempts than points, but more FGA than points AND more FTA than points in a game? All while his teammate went out and dropped an efficient 40, now that's how you choke away a 3-1 lead.

Here are some from his 1961-1962 season
10/19/61 vs Los Angeles- 48 points, 21/44 FG(47.7%), 6/12 FT, 1 assist
10/28/61 @ Syracuse- 43 points, 17/43 FG(39.5%), 9/14 FT(64.3%)
11/3/61 vs Boston- 28 points, 12/31 FG(38.7%), 4/9 FT(44.4%), 1 assist
11/19/61 @ Chicago- 51 points, 24/47 FG(51.1%), 3/8 FT(37.5%), 0 assists
11/21/61 @ Cincinnati- 45 points, 20/44 FG(44.5%), 5/15 FT(33.3%)
11/23/61 vs Boston- 31 points, 12/34 FG(35.3%), 7/13 FT(58.3%)
12/8/61 vs Los Angeles- 78 points, 31/62 FG, 16/31 FT(51.6%), 1 assist
12/26/61 vs Syracuse- 51 points, 21-53 FG(39.6%), 9/17 FT(60%), 1 assist (win)
1/10/62 @ Detroit- 39 points, 15/40 FG(37.5%), 9/13 FT(69.2%), 1 assist
1/18/62 vs Cincinnati- 54 points, 22/50 FG(44%), 10/16 FT(62.5%)
1/24/62 vs Chicago- 55 points, 23/56 FG(41.1%), 9/11 FT(81.8%)
2/24/62 vs Boston- 26 points, 11/24 FG(45.8%), 4/13(30.8 FT%), 0 assists
3/7/62 @ Boston- 30 points, 13/38 FG, 4/11 FT, 2 assists
3/14/62 @ Chicago- 34 points, 15/34 FG(44.1 FG%), 4/5 FT(80%)

The one 50 point game he had during the playoffs

Game 5 vs Syracuse- 56 points, 22/48 FG(45.8%), 12/22 FT(54.5%)

To some extent, I'm just having some fun at JLauber's expense with this post. Wilt obviously had a great season, but maybe seeing how many shots he took will help some put his scoring into perspective.

[clipps]

dont lie to yourself, your a kobe hatin lebron fan
oh and im so totally butthurt over your comment on the internet :cry:

U mad?

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

Unlike other players, who's chucking is just a bad game. Kobe's chucking in 2004 finals cost Shaq, Malone, and Payton a championship ring.

Shaq and Malone probably hates Kobe.
Malone was injured and Payton wouldn't shoot the fcking ball. Shaq wasn't going to beat the Pistons alone and Kobe was getting owned by Prince.

[StroShow4]

63 shots is still some serious "Attention Wh0re" style chucking though. :oldlol:
Where the hell were his teammates?

Seeing as it was Wilt Chamberlain, I doubt that it was chucking. Probably more like dunking.

[jlauber]

No mention of Wilt's game 6 in the 1968 EDF?

20 points on 8/23 FG and 6/21 FT while his teammate Hal Greer scored 40 points on 15/24 FG and 10/13 FT. :oldlol: I've heard of more shot attempts than points, but more FGA than points AND more FTA than points in a game? All while his teammate went out and dropped an efficient 40, now that's how you choke away a 3-1 lead.

Here are some from his 1961-1962 season
10/19/61 vs Los Angeles- 48 points, 21/44 FG(47.7%), 6/12 FT, 1 assist
10/28/61 @ Syracuse- 43 points, 17/43 FG(39.5%), 9/14 FT(64.3%)
11/3/61 vs Boston- 28 points, 12/31 FG(38.7%), 4/9 FT(44.4%), 1 assist
11/19/61 @ Chicago- 51 points, 24/47 FG(51.1%), 3/8 FT(37.5%), 0 assists
11/21/61 @ Cincinnati- 45 points, 20/44 FG(44.5%), 5/15 FT(33.3%)
11/23/61 vs Boston- 31 points, 12/34 FG(35.3%), 7/13 FT(58.3%)
12/8/61 vs Los Angeles- 78 points, 31/62 FG, 16/31 FT(51.6%), 1 assist
12/26/61 vs Syracuse- 51 points, 21-53 FG(39.6%), 9/17 FT(60%), 1 assist (win)
1/10/62 @ Detroit- 39 points, 15/40 FG(37.5%), 9/13 FT(69.2%), 1 assist
1/18/62 vs Cincinnati- 54 points, 22/50 FG(44%), 10/16 FT(62.5%)
1/24/62 vs Chicago- 55 points, 23/56 FG(41.1%), 9/11 FT(81.8%)
2/24/62 vs Boston- 26 points, 11/24 FG(45.8%), 4/13(30.8 FT%), 0 assists
3/7/62 @ Boston- 30 points, 13/38 FG, 4/11 FT, 2 assists
3/14/62 @ Chicago- 34 points, 15/34 FG(44.1 FG%), 4/5 FT(80%)

The one 50 point game he had during the playoffs

Game 5 vs Syracuse- 56 points, 22/48 FG(45.8%), 12/22 FT(54.5%)

To some extent, I'm just having some fun at JLauber's expense with this post. Wilt obviously had a great season, but maybe seeing how many shots he took will help some put his scoring into perspective.

Those were Wilt's worst shooting games...and yet, how many of them were BELOW the league average of .426 shooting?

As for Wilt's game six of the '68 ECF's, YOU and I both know that Chamberlain was playing with THREE different leg and foot injuries, including a muscle tear in his calf...and was NOTICEABLY LIMPING from game THREE thru the rest of that series. Russell, himself said, that "a lessor man would not have played." And we KNOW that players like Willis Reed, and Kareem would CERTAINLY not have played with those injuries. Reed missed CHUNKS of the '70 Finals with tear in his thigh. And Kareem missed a game six in the Finals with a sprained ankle. Oh, and BTW, Kareem missed PORTIONS of SEASON's with a brkone hand, TWICE. How about Chamberlain? He not only PLAYED in the clinching game five win in the '72 Finals with one badly sprained wrist, and the other FRACTURED, but he DOMINATED the game with 24 points, on 10-14 shooting, 29 rebounds (the entire Knick team had 39 BTW), and nine blocked shots.

For all of his "chucking" Chamberlain shot WAY over the LEAGUE AVERAGE...as he did EVERY season in which he played.

[jlauber]

Speaking of "chucking"...

how about these games...

13-32
17-33
13-30
14-30
17-33
18-34
16-33
13-33
22-39 (team was blown out and he was outrebounded 25-8)
18-31
15-37*
14-33*
13-33*
16-37*
17-32
11-30
17-36
12-31

*denotes last four games of the '72 WCF's (58-140... or .414.)

That is SIX games, out of 18, in which that player hit 50% of his shots. And FOUR of them at less than 40%! And that performance came from a player who shot .577 and .574 over the course of those two seasons. Nor does it include games of 10-27 and 7-23, either (both well under 40%.)

[DixieNourmous]

crazy how chucking can be so successful :dancin

:lol

[EricForman]

gotta watch the games in context before commenting. overall number of shots or low shooting % doesn't mean Chuck. Someone mentioned Bosh's 1-18 or Allen going 0-13 in the Finals... those weren't chucking because they were getting good looks and they usually hit those shots.

And to the dude who claim Lebron chucked in the 07 finals, please stop. You guys can't bash Lebron for being scared of the spotlight and then also accuse of chucking, those two traits contradicts. Check out Lebron's cast in 07 and give the man credit for taking that team to the finals in the first place, and not kill him for losing to a team with much more firepower.

Kobe in 04 Finals, now that was chucking.

[Eric Cartman]

Westbrook is the poster boy for chucking. Sorry my regards