How much better is Rose than Wade?

[Human Error]

Rose is according to majority of posters hands down the most valuable player in the entire league while Wade is not even the best player in his team. That automatically explains Rose is better than Wade but the question is by how much?

a. by a huge margin
b. by a considerable margin
c. by a little margin

[alwaysunny]

Rose is according to majority of posters hands down the most valuable player in the entire league while Wade is not even the best player in his team. That automatically explains Rose is better than Wade but the question is by how much?

a. by a huge margin
b. by a considerable margin
c. by a little margin
no it doesn't

[DRose1899]

Rose hasn't better than Wade, at least yet.

But he carrying his team more than Wade and does better job at this point.

[Sroek]

Wade is an SG.

[Javat_90]

LOL, that argument of yours is flawed.

Wade is not considered the best player in the league this season because he probably plays with the best player in the league (lol) in Lebron James. Therefor, sharing the spotlight more and lowering his opportunities for MVP recognition.

Rose is not better than him in my opinion. Rose had a better season because of the highlighted wins and because the Bulls ended up with the best record in the league, but that doesnt make him better. Right now it might look like that because the Bulls depend more on Rose than the Heat do on Wade.

Take the 08-09 season for example, arguably the best Wade`s season of his career, for me that alone is better than current Derrick Rose. He was putting up better scoring numbers on better efficiency, slightly less assists per game (he is a SG tho, remember that), but a lot of them for his position, 5 boards per game and playing much better defense than current Rose plays.

I have no problem saying Rose is the 10-11 season MVP, because he truly is. But he is not better than Dwayne Wade.

Wade can dominate games in a more efficient and all-around fashion, not only on offense, but on defense also (one of the best guard shot-blockers of all time).

Conclussion: this season Rose > this season Wade. But best Wade`s season (08-09) > current Rose`s season.

[Gabuyaux]

Rose is according to majority of posters hands down the most valuable player in the entire league while Wade is not even the best player in his team. That automatically explains Rose is better than Wade but the question is by how much?

a. by a huge margin
b. by a considerable margin
c. by a little margin

MVP does not equal better player.

[nashwade]

MVP doesn't make you the BEST player. it just means you are the most valuable to your team

was Nash, Dirk the BEST player in those years they won?

[jlauber]

I will concede Rose is better if he leads the Bulls to the Finals this year, and has a better Finals than Wade did in 05-06.

[edhemsoccer]

Wade is slightly better than Rose. Rose meanwhile still has time to grow. Wade has reached his peak.

[Day La Ghetto]

the op is being sarcastic.. wades lows have been pretty bad this year but overall on both sides of the floor hes been better this season, even with rose probably getting mvp

[Day La Ghetto]

Wade is slightly better than Rose. Rose meanwhile still has time to grow. Wade has reached his peak.

should take out the word, hes just better, and if you have to use a word it wouldnt be slightly lol

[donald_trump]

wade isnt slightly better than rose. hes is simply better.

i dont think rose will ever be as good as wade from 05-06 until 09-10.

not a knock seeing as prime wade is legendary.

[edhemsoccer]

should take out the word, hes just better, and if you have to use a word it wouldnt be slightly lol



No he's not just better. Wade is slightly better. If Rose can continue to improve on defense and improve his shot selection, then Rose is better.
Scoring: Wade
Passing: Rose
Shooting: Rose( I know he doesn't have the %, but Rose is a better shooter. Plus Wade doesn't face the attention Rose faces)
Rebounding: Wade
Defense: Wade
Athleticism: Rose
Potential: Rose
Clutch: Rose ( He's made bigger and more shots than Wade this season)

[A.R.T]

a...

[edhemsoccer]

wade isnt slightly better than rose. hes is simply better.

i dont think rose will ever be as good as wade from 05-06 until 09-10.

not a knock seeing as prime wade is legendary.


Legendary at what? Getting knocked out of the first round of the playoffs 3 times in that span? Missing the playoffs entirely in 07-08. Getting a gift from the refs in 05-06.

[samballs]

Wade is better than Rose

[eliteballer]

He's not better but I like the fact that he can shoot and doesn't have to rely on screens 90% of the time.

[lakerspng]

I'm going to go with:

d. not quite there yet

Rose has a lot to prove. he's had a fantastic regular season. 1. Let's see him translate that into post-season success. and let's see him do that a second time, a third time, a fourth time.

People are too quick to crown the latest thing.

[Javat_90]

No he's not just better. Wade is slightly better. If Rose can continue to improve on defense and improve his shot selection, then Rose is better.
Scoring: Wade
Passing: Rose
Shooting: Rose( I know he doesn't have the %, but Rose is a better shooter. Plus Wade doesn't face the attention Rose faces)
Rebounding: Wade
Defense: Wade
Athleticism: Rose
Potential: Rose
Clutch: Rose ( He's made bigger and more shots than Wade this season)

How is Rose a better shooter? Perhaps from the 3pt line, but thats it. Wade has a similar if not better mid-range game. Wade scores more and in a more efficiently way, thats the difference here.

Potential is arguable, but ill give you that.

Clutch? No way in hell. This season perhaps, but Wade has been extremely clutch since he entered the league. Watch how he carried his team in 2009, keeping them close against many rivals that were obviously better.

What about 2006 Finals? refs or not, the truth is Wade put up one of the best finals performances of all time, and he was extremely clutch. The Heat came from a 2-0 deficit for gods sake.

[Heat007]

lol Rose isn't even 3/4 the players Wade is.


Maybe 2/3, and even that's REALLY pushing it if you were to look at everything subjectively in Rose's favor when real true analysis is brought to the table.

2/3 is REALLY pushing it

[edhemsoccer]

How is Rose a better shooter? Perhaps from the 3pt line, but thats it. Wade has a similar if not better mid-range game. Wade scores more and in a more efficiently way, thats the difference here.

Potential is arguable, but ill give you that.

Clutch? No way in hell. This season perhaps, but Wade has been extremely clutch since he entered the league. Watch how he carried his team in 2009, keeping them close against many rivals that were obviously better.

What about 2006 Finals? refs or not, the truth is Wade put up one of the best finals performances of all time, and he was extremely clutch. The Heat came from a 2-0 deficit for gods sake.


How is potential even close to being arguable? Wade has reached his peak. He will not get any better. Rose will continue to improve.


Wade scores more efficiently, because he has a better shot selection and doesn't face constant double teams. You don't think having Lebron helps Wade shoot a better percentage?

Yes, Wade has been clutch since entering the league, but he hasn't been clutch this year. Rose had made big shot after big shot this season. I don't think you can name a single big shot Wade has hit this season.

[edhemsoccer]

lol Rose isn't even 3/4 the players Wade is.


Maybe 2/3, and even that's REALLY pushing it if you were to look at everything subjectively in Rose's favor when real true analysis is brought to the table.

2/3 is REALLY pushing it



Your opinion is one we'll cherish. :facepalm

[Heat007]

Put it this way


If Rose had the most ball dominant player in history on his team like LeBron, Rose would have numbers of 18/6/3 this year.. Wade is doing 26/7/4 on 50%, and 1.5 steals with over a blk per game

thats incredible and shows the superior player wade is

[edhemsoccer]

Put it this way


If Rose had the most ball dominant player in history on his team like LeBron, Rose would have numbers of 18/6/3 this year.. Wade is doing 26/7/4 on 50%, and 1.5 steals with over a blk per game

thats incredible and shows the superior player wade is
:facepalm and just :facepalm at the rest of your statement.

[donald_trump]

Wade scores more efficiently, because he has a better shot selection and doesn't face constant double teams. You don't think having Lebron helps Wade shoot a better percentage?

Yes, Wade has been clutch since entering the league, but he hasn't been clutch this year. Rose had made big shot after big shot this season. I don't think you can name a single big shot Wade has hit this season.

wade has been pretty much a 50% scorer the last 4 or 5 years. hes always hovering around it. so lebron isnt the reason. stop pretending it is.

wade has been clutch this year. he hit a pair of game winning free throws this year.

how many actual game winners does rose have? name one of the top of your head.

[edhemsoccer]

wade has been pretty much a 50% scorer the last 4 or 5 years. hes always hovering around it. so lebron isnt the reason. stop pretending it is.

wade has been clutch this year. he hit a pair of game winning free throws this year.

how many actual game winners does rose have? name one of the top of your head.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jOTcCdCm7U. It was for the tie, but still a clutch shot.

[edhemsoccer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nvgq5cXfGuY
Sealed the game.

[edhemsoccer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBThQrA-Wyk
Took the game over.

[PHaYze]

Wade is better than Rose, slightly, by a small margin, who gives a shit. He's better, nuff said.

[donald_trump]

so edhemsoccer, the answer is? none.

hes not clutch either. when it comes to crunch time play he shoots below 40%, is a turnover machine and looks to pass rather than score himself.

[Pushxx]

No he's not just better. Wade is slightly better. If Rose can continue to improve on defense and improve his shot selection, then Rose is better.
Scoring: Wade
Passing: Rose
Shooting: Rose( I know he doesn't have the %, but Rose is a better shooter. Plus Wade doesn't face the attention Rose faces)
Rebounding: Wade
Defense: Wade
Athleticism: Rose
Potential: Rose
Clutch: Rose ( He's made bigger and more shots than Wade this season)

WTF? The only things Rose is better at on your list are passing and potential.

Take off your Chicago-shaded glasses...Rose more clutch than Wade? ARE YOU NUTS? 2006 NBA Finals? Wade was ungodly...

Rose is the clear MVP and best PG right now, but Wade is clearly the better player.

[edhemsoccer]

WTF? The only things Rose is better at on your list are passing and potential.

Take off your Chicago-shaded glasses...Rose more clutch than Wade? ARE YOU NUTS? 2006 NBA Finals? Wade was ungodly...

Rose is the clear MVP and best PG right now, but Wade is clearly the better player.



Yeah those free throws sure help a player's performance don't they? Rose is more clutch than Wade, deal with it. :rockon:

[Heat007]

Let me know when Rose can go for a month going 37 pts on 57% shooting, 11 assists, 6 rebounds, 3 steals and 1.5 blocks per game...

Rose ISN'T CAPABLE of doing that even if everything was stacked for him. He isn't even 3/4 the player Wade is.. you chicago idiots haven't followed Wade's career too closely I see..

Wade is in the TOP 10 ALLTIME for Career playoff PER.. He's in the TOP 10 ALLTIME for regular season PER. He has the best PER ever for a true guard in a season except for Jordan.

Wade has had 3 seasons in his career of holding his isolation matchups to under 30% shooting. That's how good he can be defensively. To put that in perspective, no Guard or SF over the past 10 seasons has had more than one season holding their isolation matchups to under 30% shooting... WADE DID It THREE TIMES !!!

Wade's career 48 Win/Share is tied with Bill Russell for god sakes. Rose has a long way to go to ever be put in the same breath as Dwyane Wade..


http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/j414/44448888/wade.jpg

[edhemsoccer]

so edhemsoccer, the answer is? none.

hes not clutch either. when it comes to crunch time play he shoots below 40%, is a turnover machine and looks to pass rather than score himself.



So having no game winner, means you aren't clutch? Did you even watch the videos? Those are ALL clutch plays. Rose doesn't look to pass. He looks to finish the game off. :facepalm at saying Rose isn't clutch.

[A.R.T]

Let me know when Rose can go for a month going 37 pts on 57% shooting, 11 assists, 6 rebounds, 3 steals and 1.5 blocks per game...

Rose ISN'T CAPABLE of doing that even if everything was stacked for him. He isn't even 3/4 the player Wade is.. you chicago idiots haven't followed Wade's career too closely I see..

Wade is in the TOP 10 ALLTIME for Career playoff PER.. He's in the TOP 10 ALLTIME for regular season PER. He has the best PER ever for a true guard in a season except for Jordan.

Wade has had 3 seasons in his career of holding his isolation matchups to under 30% shooting. That's how good he can be defensively. To put that in perspective, no guard or SF over the past 10 seasons has had more than one season holding their isolation mathup to under 30% shooting... WADE DiD it THREE TIMES !!!

Wade's career 48 Win/Share is tied with Bill Russell for god sakes. Rose has a long way to go to ever be put in the same breath as Dwyane Wade..


http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/j414/44448888/wade.jpg

:roll: @ all them L's

[Heat007]

:roll: @ all them L's

Yeah when Jermaine ONeal and an incredibly inconsistent and VERY RAW 20 year old Michael Beasley (who only shows up once every 5 games), are your top 2 options you won't win many games.. I dont care if it's Jordan leading that team in his prime, they still aint going to win.

remarkably Wade led that lottery team to the playoffs.


idiot

[A.R.T]

Yeah when Jermaine ONeal and an incredibly inconsistent and VERY RAW 20 year old Michael Beasley (who only shows up once every 5 games), are your top 2 options you won't win many games.. I dont care if it's Jordan leading that team in his prime, they still aint going to win.

remarkably Wade led that lottery team to the playoffs.


idiot

...and got outplayed by joe johnson in game 7 :roll: :roll: :roll:

wade = brandon roy with superstar treatment

[Ruutu]

Wade is better than Rose...thats it!

[2swift4u]

I think the main difference is that Rose is faster. he's so fast that most defenders are not able to get their position in time which results in a foul or a layup. but everybody knows that when he gets older he won't get faster..
Wade on the other hand is very very good at driving an moving around defenders which is more difficult imo than beating them simply by speed...

[Logical]

d. by a negative margin

At this point, I'd say Rose is more electrifying, but Wade is still the better player.

[Bigsmoke]

No he's not just better. Wade is slightly better. If Rose can continue to improve on defense and improve his shot selection, then Rose is better.
Scoring: Wade
Passing: Rose
Shooting: Rose( I know he doesn't have the %, but Rose is a better shooter. Plus Wade doesn't face the attention Rose faces)
Rebounding: Wade
Defense: Wade
Athleticism: Rose
Potential: Rose
Clutch: Rose ( He's made bigger and more shots than Wade this season)

this right here is a great post

[moe94]

I'm not even sure if Rose is more athletic than Wade. Even if he is, it's a total none issue because Wade is clearly a much much better player in all facets of the game, even passing.

[Trigg]

Its not as simple as breaking down various facets of their game (like edhemsoccer has done) for me. Rose has done tremediously well this year and will most likely be voted MVP and he'll deserve it (they could be an argument for Howard winning it but thats besides the point).

Winning the MVP doesn't mean you're the best player in the leauge and I feel that Rose as a way to go to reach the levels that Wade has reached throughout his career in pretty much every department in both offense and defense.

This is not a slant on Rose who's still got many years to improve as a player and may well get to and even surpass Wade as a player.

[Noof]

This thread is dumb.

[rodman91]

But Wade is better than Rose.

[Harison]

:facepalm

[Benji23]

So having no game winner, means you aren't clutch? Did you even watch the videos? Those are ALL clutch plays. Rose doesn't look to pass. He looks to finish the game off. :facepalm at saying Rose isn't clutch.

LOL @ this Rose homer.

I honestly don't know how you could say Rose > Wade.

Give Rose a few years and wait til (if) he leads his team to a championship. Til' then get off his dick

[Heat007]

I think the main difference is that Rose is faster.he's so fast that most defenders are not able to get their position in time which results in a foul or a layup. but everybody knows that when he gets older he won't get faster..
Wade on the other hand is very very good at driving an moving around defenders which is more difficult imo than beating them simply by speed...

He never looked as consistently dominant with burst, explosiveness and as strong like this going to the rack..

Take a look at Wade's earlier years doing that. There's things here that Rose hasn't done and simply can't do-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8p52I1Oy-7M

^ remove the face and jersey and the first thing you think of is that must be Michael Jordan in that video. DOMINANT !!

Understand that Wade is 67% at the rack this year, Rose is 59% and for a player known as a slasher/driver that's low. Rose has been 55-59% at the rim in his 3 years. Wade early in his career was around 75% around the rim. This year he missed preseason with injury and it took him over a month to get back into game shape (partly why the Heat started 9-8)

Wade shot 52-58% in the first 2 months at the rim, because he sat out preseason and wasn't in game shape./ But in the last 4 months he's back to his 70% clip. Wade is just far better at the rim (for many reasons) and you cannot discount that since both players are known for being drivers/slashers

Wade only averaged 20 pts in the first 5 or 6 weeks of the season (well below his normal production), if he was healthy all year and didn't get hurt in preseason his point averages and shooting % is a lot higher (and they're already very good).. He has NEVER been around 55% at the rack as he was the first 2 months of the season.. he's been 70% from there since, and some months well over 70% this year since November.

Also consider that Wade is going to the rack at a FEVERISH pace at Age 29 !! He's still attacking the rack as often as years ago.. That is CRAZY !! Even Jordan slowed down around 30 years of age and attacked the rack less frequently. Will Rose be at this pace in going through defenses and being 70% efficient at the rack when he's 29 ???

NO he won't. He's young and he's just 59% so I don't see an older almost 30, slower Rose hitting 70%. Wade was over 75%% when he was 23.. JORDANESQUE

Wade is just better. Like Jordan was dominant and efficient at getting the the rack with agility/smoothness/power/speed/skills, so is Wade... Jordan was known for getting to the rack and how he did it. Wade is the same and no Guard ever combined all of Jordan's attributes (and I can name off a dozen of those attributes) of getting to the rack better than Dwyane Wade..

[zizozain]

b. by a considerable margin

[Trigg]

He never looked as consistently dominant with burst, explosiveness and as strong like this going to the rack..

Take a look at Wade's earlier years doing that. There's things here that Rose hasn't done and simply can't do-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8p52I1Oy-7M

^ remove the face and jersey and the first thing you think of is that must be Michael Jordan in that video. DOMINANT !!

Understand that Wade is 67% at the rack this year, Rose is 59% and for a player known as a slasher/driver that's low. Rose has been 55-59% at the rim in his 3 years. Wade early in his career was around 75% around the rim. This year he missed preseason with injury and it took him over a month to get back into game shape (partly why the Heat started 9-8)

Wade shot 52-58% in the first 2 months at the rim, because he sat out preseason and wasn't in game shape./ But in the last 4 months he's back to his 70% clip. Wade is just far better at the rim (for many reasons) and you cannot discount that since both players are known for being drivers/slashers

Wade only averaged 20 pts in the first 5 or 6 weeks of the season (well below his normal production), if he was healthy all year and didn't get hurt in preseason his point averages and shooting % is a lot higher (and they're already very good).. He has NEVER been around 55% at the rack as he was the first 2 months of the season.. he's been 70% from there since, and some months well over 70% this year since November.

Also consider that Wade is going to the rack at a FEVERISH pace at Age 29 !! He's still attacking the rack as often as years ago.. That is CRAZY !! Even Jordan slowed down around 30 years of age and attacked the rack less frequently. Will Rose be at this pace in going through defenses and being 70% efficient at the rack when he's 29 ???

NO he won't. He's young and he's just 59% so I don't see an older almost 30, slower Rose hitting 70%. Wade was over 75%% when he was 23.. JORDANESQUE

Wade is just better. Like Jordan was dominant and efficient at getting the the rack with agility/smoothness/power/speed/skills, so is Wade... Jordan was known for getting to the rack and how he did it. Wade is the same and no Guard ever combined all of Jordan's attributes (and I can name off a dozen of those attributes) of getting to the rack better than Dwyane Wade..

This guy puts a very well thought out reply there and there's no arguing with this, really.

[Teanett]

he is five times better.

[Trigg]

b. by a considerable margin


he is five times better.

Nonsense.

You've not even backed these stupid statements up.

[rodman91]

I'm a bulls fan.. still i can't say Rose is better. He may have some advantages over Wade but overall Wade is better.

But Rose is younger, has skills,courage..maybe in future.

[Trigg]

I'm a bulls fan.. still i can't say Rose is better. He may have some advantages over Wade but overall Wade is better.

But Rose is younger, has skills,courage..maybe in future.

I totally agree and I reckon the people saying Wade is a better player would agree. Given Rose's age and the potential he clearly has he could well get to Wade's level, or maybe in even surpass it in the future.

But to suggest that Rose is a better player right now is quite an insult to Wade I feel.

[creepingdeath]

Rose is according to majority of posters hands down the most valuable player in the entire league while Wade is not even the best player in his team. That automatically explains Rose is better than Wade but the question is by how much?

a. by a huge margin
b. by a considerable margin
c. by a little margin
http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/6273/wtfbird1.png

[Dresta]

Rose will never be as good as Wade.

[Christofire]

Let me know when Rose can go for a month going 37 pts on 57% shooting, 11 assists, 6 rebounds, 3 steals and 1.5 blocks per game...

Rose ISN'T CAPABLE of doing that even if everything was stacked for him. He isn't even 3/4 the player Wade is.. you chicago idiots haven't followed Wade's career too closely I see..

Wade is in the TOP 10 ALLTIME for Career playoff PER.. He's in the TOP 10 ALLTIME for regular season PER. He has the best PER ever for a true guard in a season except for Jordan.

Wade has had 3 seasons in his career of holding his isolation matchups to under 30% shooting. That's how good he can be defensively. To put that in perspective, no Guard or SF over the past 10 seasons has had more than one season holding their isolation matchups to under 30% shooting... WADE DID It THREE TIMES !!!

Wade's career 48 Win/Share is tied with Bill Russell for god sakes. Rose has a long way to go to ever be put in the same breath as Dwyane Wade..


http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/j414/44448888/wade.jpg

Been telling people for years that Wade is a better defender than LeBron James

[Christofire]

Rose will never be as good as Wade.
you can't predit the future. With how much he improves from year to year it would not surprise if he becomes as good as wade if not better. Rose' work ethic has me confident in his ability to be that great.

[jasonresno]

He never looked as consistently dominant with burst, explosiveness and as strong like this going to the rack..

Take a look at Wade's earlier years doing that. There's things here that Rose hasn't done and simply can't do-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8p52I1Oy-7M

^ remove the face and jersey and the first thing you think of is that must be Michael Jordan in that video. DOMINANT !!

Understand that Wade is 67% at the rack this year, Rose is 59% and for a player known as a slasher/driver that's low. Rose has been 55-59% at the rim in his 3 years. Wade early in his career was around 75% around the rim. This year he missed preseason with injury and it took him over a month to get back into game shape (partly why the Heat started 9-8)

Wade shot 52-58% in the first 2 months at the rim, because he sat out preseason and wasn't in game shape./ But in the last 4 months he's back to his 70% clip. Wade is just far better at the rim (for many reasons) and you cannot discount that since both players are known for being drivers/slashers

Wade only averaged 20 pts in the first 5 or 6 weeks of the season (well below his normal production), if he was healthy all year and didn't get hurt in preseason his point averages and shooting % is a lot higher (and they're already very good).. He has NEVER been around 55% at the rack as he was the first 2 months of the season.. he's been 70% from there since, and some months well over 70% this year since November.

Also consider that Wade is going to the rack at a FEVERISH pace at Age 29 !! He's still attacking the rack as often as years ago.. That is CRAZY !! Even Jordan slowed down around 30 years of age and attacked the rack less frequently. Will Rose be at this pace in going through defenses and being 70% efficient at the rack when he's 29 ???

NO he won't. He's young and he's just 59% so I don't see an older almost 30, slower Rose hitting 70%. Wade was over 75%% when he was 23.. JORDANESQUE

Wade is just better. Like Jordan was dominant and efficient at getting the the rack with agility/smoothness/power/speed/skills, so is Wade... Jordan was known for getting to the rack and how he did it. Wade is the same and no Guard ever combined all of Jordan's attributes (and I can name off a dozen of those attributes) of getting to the rack better than Dwyane Wade..
That video:
Uploaded by daone323 on Dec 10, 2007

Rose 2011 > Wade 2011

And...

http://www.obogoalkeeping.com/resources/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/whistle.jpg

Those tend to help your FG%.

[GOBB]

Rose will never be as good as Wade.

Based on what? Rose has a chance to be as good as Wade. To deny that is silly.

[derb2k2]

He never looked as consistently dominant with burst, explosiveness and as strong like this going to the rack..

Take a look at Wade's earlier years doing that. There's things here that Rose hasn't done and simply can't do-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8p52I1Oy-7M

^ remove the face and jersey and the first thing you think of is that must be Michael Jordan in that video. DOMINANT !!

Understand that Wade is 67% at the rack this year, Rose is 59% and for a player known as a slasher/driver that's low. Rose has been 55-59% at the rim in his 3 years. Wade early in his career was around 75% around the rim. This year he missed preseason with injury and it took him over a month to get back into game shape (partly why the Heat started 9-8)

Wade shot 52-58% in the first 2 months at the rim, because he sat out preseason and wasn't in game shape./ But in the last 4 months he's back to his 70% clip. Wade is just far better at the rim (for many reasons) and you cannot discount that since both players are known for being drivers/slashers

Wade only averaged 20 pts in the first 5 or 6 weeks of the season (well below his normal production), if he was healthy all year and didn't get hurt in preseason his point averages and shooting % is a lot higher (and they're already very good).. He has NEVER been around 55% at the rack as he was the first 2 months of the season.. he's been 70% from there since, and some months well over 70% this year since November.

Also consider that Wade is going to the rack at a FEVERISH pace at Age 29 !! He's still attacking the rack as often as years ago.. That is CRAZY !! Even Jordan slowed down around 30 years of age and attacked the rack less frequently. Will Rose be at this pace in going through defenses and being 70% efficient at the rack when he's 29 ???

NO he won't. He's young and he's just 59% so I don't see an older almost 30, slower Rose hitting 70%. Wade was over 75%% when he was 23.. JORDANESQUE

Wade is just better. Like Jordan was dominant and efficient at getting the the rack with agility/smoothness/power/speed/skills, so is Wade... Jordan was known for getting to the rack and how he did it. Wade is the same and no Guard ever combined all of Jordan's attributes (and I can name off a dozen of those attributes) of getting to the rack better than Dwyane Wade..



shame on you for even trying to argue this. this thread merits no reply. back off and let Wade's game do the talking man.

[edhemsoccer]

Based on what? Rose has a chance to be as good as Wade. To deny that is silly.



:applause:

[crosso√er]

Rose is according to majority of posters hands down the most valuable player in the entire league while Wade is not even the best player in his team. That automatically explains Rose is better than Wade but the question is by how much?

a. by a huge margin
b. by a considerable margin
c. by a little margin

I don't like the Heat or what they represent; I hate James, dislike Wade & really like Rose. And I'll admit from a neutral perspective that Wade is at this point a better basketball player on both ends.

Rose is just the new superstar on the block so he's naturally getting more hype then guards like Kobe & Wade who have been doing work for so long now.

[edhemsoccer]

I don't like the Heat or what they represent; I hate James, dislike Wade & really like Rose. And I'll admit from a neutral perspective that Wade is at this point a better basketball player on both ends.

Rose is just the new superstar on the block so he's naturally getting more hype then guards like Kobe & Wade who have been doing work for so long now.



:applause:

[King Lebron LBJ]

Rose is having a great season but he is still not quite there in terms of being better than wade

[Alonzo Magic]

I'm not even sure if Rose is more athletic than Wade. Even if he is, it's a total none issue because Wade is clearly a much much better player in all facets of the game, even passing.

Actually, especially passing.

[KOLBCTEW]

That video:
Uploaded by daone323 on Dec 10, 2007
Uhh...

He never looked as consistently dominant with burst, explosiveness and as strong like this going to the rack..

Take a look at Wade's earlier years doing that. There's things here that Rose hasn't done and simply can't do-



Rose 2011 > Wade 2011
http://unlinked.jimdo.com/s/cc_images/cache_1304874613.gif


And...

http://www.obogoalkeeping.com/resources/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/whistle.jpg

Those tend to help your FG%.
Your shot selection tends to help your FG%...

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

Wade defense puts himself ahead of Rose

[Eat Like A Bosh]

Not by much. Dwyane Wade is still an overall better player than D-Rose.
But D-Rose has more potential and the work ethic to improve. D-Wade is in his prime right now, and his 08-09 was his best so far, he probably already hit his peak.

[PistonsFan#21]

Not by much. Dwyane Wade is still an overall better player than D-Rose.
But D-Rose has more potential and the work ethic to improve. D-Wade is in his prime right now, and his 08-09 was his best so far, he probably already hit his peak.

Rose isnt gonna get much better than he is now

[Dresta]

Based on what? Rose has a chance to be as good as Wade. To deny that is silly.
Based on being a SG in a PG's body.

[jasonresno]

Rose isnt gonna get much better than he is now
"Rose won't develop a jumpshot."
"Rose won't develop a 3pt shot."
"Rose won't get more FT attempts."
"Rose won't win MVP."
"Rose won't get much better than he is now, at 22 years old, in his third season."

[Papaya Petee]

Rose has yet to prove he's any better then a Sophomore Wade, and he is light years behind 05-06, 06-07, 08-09, 09-10 Wade.

This year playing with LeBron and Bosh Dwyane Wade still has more impressive numbers then Rose.

26\7\4\ 50% and Great Defense > 25\8\4 44% average Defense.


Wade in his third season put up 27\7\6 49% while dominating in the playoffs, Rose isn't close to that yet.

[chazzy]

That video:
Uploaded by daone323 on Dec 10, 2007

Rose 2011 > Wade 2011

And...

http://www.obogoalkeeping.com/resources/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/whistle.jpg

Those tend to help your FG%.
:facepalm

[GOBB]

Based on being a SG in a PG's body.

What kind of logic is that? Try again.

[GOBB]

Rose has yet to prove he's any better then a Sophomore Wade, and he is light years behind 05-06, 06-07, 08-09, 09-10 Wade.

This year playing with LeBron and Bosh Dwyane Wade still has more impressive numbers then Rose.

26\7\4\ 50% and Great Defense > 25\8\4 44% average Defense.


Wade in his third season put up 27\7\6 49% while dominating in the playoffs, Rose isn't close to that yet.

:roll: light years. Why not say Rose will never be as good as Wade then? I mean you already placed a cap on a kid who in his 3rd season will win MVP after having a great year carrying a team as the man. But I understand when a player fans like/is a favorite of theirs can be threatened at the thought, the possibility another player will challenge them.

[Hulk Hogan]

I totally agree and I reckon the people saying Wade is a better player would agree. Given Rose's age and the potential he clearly has he could well get to Wade's level, or maybe in even surpass it in the future.

But to suggest that Rose is a better player right now is quite an insult to Wade I feel.

Says the guy with 7 posts!
Another damn gimmick account...Who is your master? :lol

[Vragrant]

Actually, especially passing.

Yup, I don't even think Rose is even a better passer than Wade. Yet people keep saying it. APG does is not indicative of natural passing ability. Can Rose really make a pass like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQiZqdbuvJY

or this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIV7B4Kv_cY

I really don't think so. I've really seen nothing in Roses' games that suggests he's a better passer than Wade. I've seen Wade throw no look bullets passes in traffic, behing the back passes everything.

Also as an aside, it strikes me that Wade is actually a more fluid ball handler despite being much bigger than Rose.

[KingBeasley08]

http://www.obogoalkeeping.com/resources/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/whistle.jpg

Those tend to help your FG%.
:wtf:

how do free throws help ur fg% :lol

[Human Error]

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/6273/wtfbird1.png
It's easy pal, Rose is considered as the Most Valuable Player of the Entire League by 90% of ISH posters and Wade is even having a hard time in making his case for being the best player on one team out of 30 teams. How is a second best player on a certain team a better player than the Most Valuable Player of the Entire League... :facepalm

[Heat007]

Yup, I don't even think Rose is even a better passer than Wade. Yet people keep saying it. APG does is not indicative of natural passing ability. Can Rose really make a pass like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQiZqdbuvJY

or this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIV7B4Kv_cY

I really don't think so. I've really seen nothing in Roses' games that suggests he's a better passer than Wade. I've seen Wade throw no look bullets passes in traffic, behing the back passes everything.

Also as an aside, it strikes me that Wade is actually a more fluid ball handler despite being much bigger than Rose.

Wade has made so many better passes than that it's mind boggling. In the Pro's, olympics, and college when he shit on everyone with passes. The passes you showed just showed a strong arm, but what about his dazzling skillful passes with his superior court vision?>

For example, this one on the fast break right at the one minute mark.. Godly pass

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWssfBwuweU

And like the following, he makes passes like this routinely where announcers have no choice but to make up a new term like "Pro Vision"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9HyzRQVEns

guys like kobe and rose simply cannot make a lot of the passes Wade makes.. and they can't look like Wade can on the very last play of the 1st video when he attacks the rack in Jordanesque fashion.

[Papaya Petee]

:roll: light years. Why not say Rose will never be as good as Wade then? I mean you already placed a cap on a kid who in his 3rd season will win MVP after having a great year carrying a team as the man. But I understand when a player fans like/is a favorite of theirs can be threatened at the thought, the possibility another player will challenge them.
Because he probably won't be. He already has the green light to shoot as many times a game, and he's firing at a .445 % clip while taking good shots. Do you really think he is just going to improve every single season? Because it honestly doesn't work that way. After you reach your statistical peak you usually only improve on things such as defense, cutting down turnovers, and being more fundemental for later years.

Even if his stats peak out at something like 26\8\5 46-48% FG with 2nd All NBA Defense, that is still not as good as Prime Wade.

Why do people think I'm knocking on Rose? Wade will probably go down as the 3rd GOAT SG, and as a top 15-20 player of all time. Rose will be great, but Wade is something special.

[Dwade305]

It's easy pal, Rose is considered as the Most Valuable Player of the Entire League by 90% of ISH posters and Wade is even having a hard time in making his case for being the best player on one team out of 30 teams. How is a second best player on a certain team a better player than the Most Valuable Player of the Entire League... :facepalm
Ai>Shaq
Nash>Kobe
:facepalm :facepalm

[Human Error]

Ai>Shaq
Nash>Kobe
:facepalm :facepalm
Son, I'm so sick of inferior players getting MVP's and this is why I started this thread. If you go literally by "the most valuable player of the league", it's LeBron who's the best player and currently the best draw. But we see too many political factors being thrown in in deciding MVP and I just can't stand it. When Miami and Chicago match up, the 2 best players are playing for the Miami Heat, but Rose is the most valuable player of the entire league??

[jasonresno]

:wtf:

how do free throws help ur fg% :lol
I'm actually really depressed I have to explain this.

Scenario 1:
Rose slashes to the hoop, goes up strong, and is pushed hard. His layup misses. Ref doesn't blow the whistle. He's 0/1.

Scenario 2:
Wade drives to the hole, goes up strong, and is nudged. His layup misses, the whistle blows, he's shooting FTs instead of having his FG% suffer.

I really thought that was obvious.

[Heat007]

I'm actually really depressed I have to explain this.

Scenario 1:
Rose slashes to the hoop, goes up strong, and is pushed hard. His layup misses. Ref doesn't blow the whistle. He's 0/1.

Scenario 2:
Wade drives to the hole, goes up strong, and is nudged. His layup misses, the whistle blows, he's shooting FTs instead of having his FG% suffer.

I really thought that was obvious.

Don't be a total idiot. If they were equal in their talents at getting to the rack then why is Wade so superior with efficiency there (has nothing to do with fouls but made shots), and Wade was FAR more efficient and better at it than Rose when he was 23 and new into the league

Maybe you missed the following.. or maybe because it was convenient for you


He never looked as consistently dominant with burst, explosiveness and as strong like this going to the rack..

Take a look at Wade's earlier years doing that. There's things here that Rose hasn't done and simply can't do-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8p52I1Oy-7M

^ remove the face and jersey and the first thing you think of is that must be Michael Jordan in that video. DOMINANT !!

Understand that Wade is 67% at the rack this year, Rose is 59% and for a player known as a slasher/driver that's low. Rose has been 55-59% at the rim in his 3 years. Wade early in his career was around 75% around the rim. This year he missed preseason with injury and it took him over a month to get back into game shape (partly why the Heat started 9-8)

Wade shot 52-58% in the first 2 months at the rim, because he sat out preseason and wasn't in game shape./ But in the last 4 months he's back to his 70% clip. Wade is just far better at the rim (for many reasons) and you cannot discount that since both players are known for being drivers/slashers

Wade only averaged 20 pts in the first 5 or 6 weeks of the season (well below his normal production), if he was healthy all year and didn't get hurt in preseason his point averages and shooting % is a lot higher (and they're already very good).. He has NEVER been around 55% at the rack as he was the first 2 months of the season.. he's been 70% from there since, and some months well over 70% this year since November.

Also consider that Wade is going to the rack at a FEVERISH pace at Age 29 !! He's still attacking the rack as often as years ago.. That is CRAZY !! Even Jordan slowed down around 30 years of age and attacked the rack less frequently. Will Rose be at this pace in going through defenses and being 70% efficient at the rack when he's 29 ???

NO he won't. He's young and he's just 59% so I don't see an older almost 30, slower Rose hitting 70%. Wade was over 75%% when he was 23.. JORDANESQUE

Wade is just better. Like Jordan was dominant and efficient at getting the the rack with agility/smoothness/power/speed/skills, so is Wade... Jordan was known for getting to the rack and how he did it. Wade is the same and no Guard ever combined all of Jordan's attributes (and I can name off a dozen of those attributes) of getting to the rack better than Dwyane Wade..

[jasonresno]

Don't be a total idiot. If they were equal in their talents at getting to the rack then why is Wade so superior with efficiency there (has nothing to do with fouls but made shots0, and Wade was FAR more efficient and better at it when he was 23 and new into the league
He's more efficient because he gets the foul calls that no other guard in the game gets. It's easy to stay efficient if your misses don't ever count because the zebras bail you out.

Don't be retarded, you dumbass homer.

[Heat007]

He's more efficient because he gets the foul calls that no other guard in the game gets. It's easy to stay efficient if your misses don't ever count because the zebras bail you out..

no you're retarded. Players who get a high number of calls is a big compliment. Wade has a superior overall arsenal of getting to the rack and was much tougher to prevent penetration in his prime than Rose.

And its why so many of his peers and coaches have called him the most unguardable player in the NBA.

Rose is good but he is not on the level of Wade yet. He's not even 3/4 the overall player Wade is and was.

[Heat007]

and it's really stupid to blame calls when Wade very early in his career inn 2004 and 2005 was over 75% at the rack without calls.

he gets calls because he's so hard to defend and contain. That why he's top 5 alltime in most fouls per game in nba history for a career. with shaq, jerry west and wilt chamberlain. for a guard to be in that top 5 company in history just speaks of his immense talent.

you lose

[edhemsoccer]

no you're retarded. Players who get a high number of calls is a big compliment. Wade has a superior overall arsenal of getting to the rack and was much tougher to prevent penetration in his prime than Rose.

And its why so many of his peers and coaches have called him the most unguardable player in the NBA.

Rose is good but he is not on the level of Wade yet. He's not even 3/4 the overall player Wade is and was.




You're a total douche :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

[KingBeasley08]

You're a total douche :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
cuz he just destoryed Jasonresno

[edhemsoccer]

cuz he just destoryed Jasonresno




You're an even bigger idiot. :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

[97 bulls]

Because he probably won't be. He already has the green light to shoot as many times a game, and he's firing at a .445 % clip while taking good shots. Do you really think he is just going to improve every single season? Because it honestly doesn't work that way. After you reach your statistical peak you usually only improve on things such as defense, cutting down turnovers, and being more fundemental for later years.

Even if his stats peak out at something like 26\8\5 46-48% FG with 2nd All NBA Defense, that is still not as good as Prime Wade.

Why do people think I'm knocking on Rose? Wade will probably go down as the 3rd GOAT SG, and as a top 15-20 player of all time. Rose will be great, but Wade is something special.
I think roses fg% will go up. I predict that by 5he time rose has 7 years in the league, hell have a strong post game. As well as an mvp (maybe 2) a championship etc. And avg 25 5 9 over that stretch.

[KingBeasley08]

You're an even bigger idiot. :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
and ur just a bandwagoner so gtfo :oldlol:

[Heat007]

I think roses fg% will go up. I predict that by 5he time rose has 7 years in the league, hell have a strong post game. As well as an mvp (maybe 2) a championship etc. And avg 25 5 9 over that stretch.

And that's yet ANOTHER of many things Wade has on Rose.. as I said over and over, Rose isn't even 3/4 the player Wade is


David Thorpe, an athletic trainer who runs a training center for NBA players in the offseason, also cites Wade's developing post up game as one of his strengths. "Watching Wade operate on the left block is literally like watching old footage of MJ (Michael Jordan)," comments Thorpe. Thorpe goes on to say that Wade's best moves from the post are his turnaround jump shot, double pivot,and what Thorpe terms as a "freeze fake", a pump fake Wade uses to get his opponent to jump, so that he can then drive around him to the basket.

^^ and that's from YEARS ago ^^

[edhemsoccer]

and ur just a bandwagoner so gtfo :oldlol:
:lol How am I just a bandwagoner? Please explain, I can't wait to hear your pathetic reason. :roll: :roll:

[KingBeasley08]

:lol How am I just a bandwagoner? Please explain, I can't wait to hear your pathetic reason. :roll: :roll:
join date: march 2011

after the bulls become good... :rolleyes: what makes u different from all the miami fans that joined post-july

[edhemsoccer]

Heat fans get really insecure about the fact that Rose is very close to surpassing Wade as a player. If it hasn't happened this year, it will probably happen the next season. There's no point in even arguing with them. Their so biased, they think their way is the only way. Remember people, this are the fans of the team that said, " not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, not 7, but 8 titles." What a complete joke :lol

[97 bulls]

And that's yet ANOTHER of many things Wade has on Rose.. as I said over and over, Rose isn't even 3/4 the player Wade is



^^ and that's from YEARS ago ^^
Wade has never had the post game of jordan. Never. And the only difference between him and rose is that wade been in the league twice as long as rose. I think rose jumpshot is better, his ability to attack the basket is better, his work ethic is better. If I had a choice between rose and wade, id take rose.

[Papaya Petee]

I think roses fg% will go up. I predict that by 5he time rose has 7 years in the league, hell have a strong post game. As well as an mvp (maybe 2) a championship etc. And avg 25 5 9 over that stretch.
Yes, I think he will score somewhere around 25-26 and shoot around the 46-48% mark. Is that great? Absolutely. On Wade's level? Not really.

[edhemsoccer]

Wade has never had the post game of jordan. Never. And the only difference between him and rose is that wade been in the league twice as long as rose. I think rose jumpshot is better, his ability to attack the basket is better, his work ethic is better. If I had a choice between rose and wade, id take rose.
:applause:

[Papaya Petee]

Wade has never had the post game of jordan. Never. And the only difference between him and rose is that wade been in the league twice as long as rose. I think rose jumpshot is better, his ability to attack the basket is better, his work ethic is better. If I had a choice between rose and wade, id take rose.
If you want to debate jumpshots, whatever. But Rose's ability to get to the basket isn't close to Wades. Work ethic? Just watch Wade's off season going into the 2008-2009 season.

[97 bulls]

Yes, I think he will score somewhere around 25-26 and shoot around the 46-48% mark. Is that great? Absolutely. On Wade's level? Not really.
That's froms the PG role. If he was a shooting guard, he'd be dropping 30 a night no prob.

[edhemsoccer]

If you want to debate jumpshots, whatever. But Rose's ability to get to the basket isn't close to Wades. Work ethic? Just watch Wade's off season going into the 2008-2009 season.
:facepalm

[KingBeasley08]

Heat fans get really insecure about the fact that Rose is very close to surpassing Wade as a player. If it hasn't happened this year, it will probably happen the next season. There's no point in even arguing with them. Their so biased, they think their way is the only way. Remember people, this are the fans of the team that said, " not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, not 7, but 8 titles." What a complete joke :lol
i hate heat bandwagoners :oldlol:

only thing is... i hate all bandwagoners including u :oldlol:

[Odinn]

Can Rose do the 2008-09 Wade Season? I do not think so. Not there yet.

Also Wade's ability to attack the basket is better than Rose's. Open your eyes.

[edhemsoccer]

join date: march 2011

after the bulls become good... :rolleyes: what makes u different from all the miami fans that joined post-july





I joined this forum March, 2011. I didn't become a Bulls fan this year. :facepalm
I've been watching them since Jordan. You tool :lol

[edhemsoccer]

i hate heat bandwagoners :oldlol:

only thing is... i hate all bandwagoners including u :oldlol:
:facepalm

[97 bulls]

If you want to debate jumpshots, whatever. But Rose's ability to get to the basket isn't close to Wades. Work ethic? Just watch Wade's off season going into the 2008-2009 season.
I've seen roses improvement over the course of 2 years. Wades jumpshot after 7 years is suspect at best. Rose has improved drastically every year. Wade hasn't. And he brittle. Maybe his injury problems had hindered him from improving his game more.

[edhemsoccer]

Can Rose do the 2008-09 Wade Season? I do not think so. Not there yet.

Also Wade's ability to attack the basket is better than Rose's. Open your eyes.
:facepalm
you open your eyes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHux-OqW950

[97 bulls]

Can Rose do the 2008-09 Wade Season? I do not think so. Not there yet.

Also Wade's ability to attack the basket is better than Rose's. Open your eyes.
He doing it right now. And he only 22. Come on

[edhemsoccer]

I've seen roses improvement over the course of 2 years. Wades jumpshot after 7 years is suspect at best. Rose has improved drastically every year. Wade hasn't. And he brittle. Maybe his injury problems had hindered him from improving his game more.


:applause:
I agree.

[Papaya Petee]

:facepalm
Okay, time to kill this.

Wade shot close to 70% around the rim this year, Rose was at 58%.

If Rose was a better jump shooter AND penetrator then Wade, how is it that he scored 25.0 Points per game on 19.7 FGA, and Wade scored 25.5 on only 18.2 FGA. Pretty confusing to me.

Wade is the best in the league at getting to the basket and finishing around it. He splits double teams and has many counter moves around the basket and going past big men.



That's froms the PG role. If he was a shooting guard, he'd be dropping 30 a night no prob.

Really? That's a pretty unintelligent thing to say. The only 2 shooting guards that have done that since Jordan were Dwyane Wade and Kobe Bryant (T-Mac is a forward, so is LeBron)

And Wade did it while shooting 49% while Kobe usually went around that 46% mark. If Rose as a point guard taking less shots is only shooting 44.5%, him scoring 30 PPG would look like Allen Iverson version 2.

Plus, he's a point guard, will never be a shooting guard, so that whole argument won't change anything.

[Papaya Petee]

I've seen roses improvement over the course of 2 years. Wades jumpshot after 7 years is suspect at best. Rose has improved drastically every year. Wade hasn't. And he brittle. Maybe his injury problems had hindered him from improving his game more.
Wade's first 3 seasons in the league he improved his jumpshot as well. He was one of the best mid-range shooters in 08-09. Rose might continue to improve, or he might stay the way he is now, too early to tell. I would rather him not improve for the next 3-4 years while he is still young and explosive as hell. People who improve their J's fall in love with it. And he is much more efficient attacking and putting pressure on the defense.

[edhemsoccer]

Okay, time to kill this.

Wade shot close to 70% around the rim this year, Rose was at 58%.

If Rose was a better jump shooter AND penetrator then Wade, how is it that he scored 25.0 Points per game on 19.7 FGA, and Wade scored 25.5 on only 18.2 FGA. Pretty confusing to me.

Wade is the best in the league at getting to the basket and finishing around it. He splits double teams and has many counter moves around the basket and going past big men.




Really? That's a pretty unintelligent thing to say. The only 2 shooting guards that have done that since Jordan were Dwyane Wade and Kobe Bryant (T-Mac is a forward, so is LeBron)

And Wade did it while shooting 49% while Kobe usually went around that 46% mark. If Rose as a point guard taking less shots is only shooting 44.5%, him scoring 30 PPG would look like Allen Iverson version 2.

Plus, he's a point guard, will never be a shooting guard, so that whole argument won't change anything.





First off, Rose is the only guy on the Bulls who can create his own shot. He's faced constant double teams, nothing like Wade has. Wade has Lebron to drive off defensive attention off him.

[Odinn]

He doing it right now. And he only 22. Come on
You know the stats and you know the Wade's crazy month. Not there yet, again.

[edhemsoccer]

Wade's first 3 seasons in the league he improved his jumpshot as well. He was one of the best mid-range shooters in 08-09. Rose might continue to improve, or he might stay the way he is now, too early to tell. I would rather him not improve for the next 3-4 years while he is still young and explosive as hell. People who improve their J's fall in love with it. And he is much more efficient attacking and putting pressure on the defense.
:facepalm

[Papaya Petee]

First off, Rose is the only guy on the Bulls who can create his own shot. He's faced constant double teams, nothing like Wade has. Wade has Lebron to drive off defensive attention off him.
Whatttttt? in 08-09 Wade got double teamed so much it's not even funny. And yet he still scored 30.2 PPG on 49%. Don't use that stuff as an excuse.

[edhemsoccer]

Whatttttt? in 08-09 Wade got double teamed so much it's not even funny. And yet he still scored 30.2 PPG on 49%. Don't use that stuff as an excuse.




Yes he did, I never said Rose is better than Wade. Rose can still improve and he WILL improve. Wade has reached his peak. He will not get any better. Rose will surpass Wade next season probably. Deal with it. :rockon:

[Odinn]

First off, Rose is the only guy on the Bulls who can create his own shot. He's faced constant double teams, nothing like Wade has. Wade has Lebron to drive off defensive attention off him.
Wade didn't play his whole career with LeBron. Come on man.

[crisoner]

Funny to see two fan bases who where NEVER on ISH last year calling each other bandwagons.

I know who the real Bulls and one Heat fan are on these boards.

None of them are in this thread.

[edhemsoccer]

And Wade's 08-09 season finished with his play dipping in the playoffs. He wasn't that great against the Hawks.

[edhemsoccer]

Funny to see two fan bases who where NEVER on ISH last year calling each other bandwagons.

I know who the real Bulls and one Heat fan are on these boards.

None of them are in this thread.





A Laker fan opinion, is one that means SO MUCH to me. ......:facepalm

[Odinn]

Yes he did, I never said Rose is better than Wade. Rose can still improve and he WILL improve. Wade has reached his peak. He will not get any better. Rose will surpass Wade next season probably. Deal with it. :rockon:
I don't think it's that soon but at one point Rose will be better than Wade, of course. Rose is 7 years younger than Wade.

[Papaya Petee]

Yes he did, I never said Rose is better than Wade. Rose can still improve and he WILL improve. Wade has reached his peak. He will not get any better. Rose will surpass Wade next season probably. Deal with it. :rockon:
Whatever you say. Wade next season will be better then this season, book it. 27\5\5 50%.

[edhemsoccer]

Whatever you say. Wade next season will be better then this season, book it. 27\5\5 50%.




We'll see I guess. But I doubt it. :roll:

[Papaya Petee]

Funny to see two fan bases who where NEVER on ISH last year calling each other bandwagons.

I know who the real Bulls and one Heat fan are on these boards.

None of them are in this thread.

Whatever you say, why don't you look back in the 2008 Heat vs Lakers December game thread where I posted about 50 times, or last year when we played Celtics.

[Odinn]

And Wade's 08-09 season finished with his play dipping in the playoffs. He wasn't that great against the Hawks.
Can you claim 10-11 Rose would perform better than 08-09 Wade that season as a Heat?:roll:

[Papaya Petee]

We'll see I guess. But I doubt it. :roll:
Yes we will.

[97 bulls]

Okay, time to kill this.

Wade shot close to 70% around the rim this year, Rose was at 58%.

If Rose was a better jump shooter AND penetrator then Wade, how is it that he scored 25.0 Points per game on 19.7 FGA, and Wade scored 25.5 on only 18.2 FGA. Pretty confusing to me.

Wade is the best in the league at getting to the basket and finishing around it. He splits double teams and has many counter moves around the basket and going past big men.




Really? That's a pretty unintelligent thing to say. The only 2 shooting guards that have done that since Jordan were Dwyane Wade and Kobe Bryant (T-Mac is a forward, so is LeBron)

And Wade did it while shooting 49% while Kobe usually went around that 46% mark. If Rose as a point guard taking less shots is only shooting 44.5%, him scoring 30 PPG would look like Allen Iverson version 2.

Plus, he's a point guard, will never be a shooting guard, so that whole argument won't change anything.

Because wade takes less 3s. And he take more fts shots per game. Not har to figure out

I don't see what's so unintelligent about my comment. Rose is a once in a decade player. And while i know that wade is great, he hasnt done much past 08-09 and 06. Rose is well on his way to passing wades accomplishements in 3 years. I mean, the kid is 22 and will have an mvp a rookie of the year, and possibly a finals mvp. I predict that hell be the face of the league within the next few years too.

[edhemsoccer]

Can you claim Rose would perform better than Wade that season?:roll:



I don't know we'll see. Wade in the playoffs that season wasn't so great. I expect great players to improve in the playoffs, not to falter. Yes, I know Wade was great in the playoffs last season. No need for any stats.

[Heat007]

I will ask the board again

Let me know when Rose can go for a month going 37 points on 57% shooting, 11 assists, 6 rebounds, 3 steals and 1.5 blocks per game...

Rose ISN'T CAPABLE of doing that even if everything was stacked for him. Because he isn't even 3/4 the player Wade is.. you chicago idiots haven't followed Wade's career too closely I see..

Wade is in the TOP 10 ALLTIME for Career playoff PER.. He's in the TOP 10 ALLTIME for regular season PER. He has the best PER ever for a true guard in a season except for Jordan.

Wade has had 3 seasons in his career of holding his isolation matchups to under 30% shooting. That's how good he can be defensively. To put that in perspective, no Guard or SF over the past 10 seasons has had more than one season holding their isolation matchups to under 30% shooting... WADE DID It THREE TIMES !!!

Wade's career 48 Win/Share is tied with Bill Russell for god sakes. Rose has a long way to go to ever be put in the same breath as Dwyane Wade..


http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/j414/44448888/wade.jpg


/thread

[edhemsoccer]

Because wade takes less 3s. And he take more fts shots per game. Not har to figure out

I don't see what's so unintelligent about my comment. Rose is a once in a decade player. And while i know that wade is great, he hasnt done much past 08-09 and 06. Rose is well on his way to passing wades accomplishements in 3 years. I mean, the kid is 22 and will have an mvp a rookie of the year, and possibly a finals mvp. I predict that hell be the face of the league within the next few years too.



I agree completely. :applause:

[edhemsoccer]

I will ask the board again

Let me know when Rose can go for a month going 37 pts on 57% shooting, 11 assists, 6 rebounds, 3 steals and 1.5 blocks per game...

Rose ISN'T CAPABLE of doing that even if everything was stacked for him. He isn't even 3/4 the player Wade is.. you chicago idiots haven't followed Wade's career too closely I see..

Wade is in the TOP 10 ALLTIME for Career playoff PER.. He's in the TOP 10 ALLTIME for regular season PER. He has the best PER ever for a true guard in a season except for Jordan.

Wade has had 3 seasons in his career of holding his isolation matchups to under 30% shooting. That's how good he can be defensively. To put that in perspective, no Guard or SF over the past 10 seasons has had more than one season holding their isolation matchups to under 30% shooting... WADE DID It THREE TIMES !!!

Wade's career 48 Win/Share is tied with Bill Russell for god sakes. Rose has a long way to go to ever be put in the same breath as Dwyane Wade..


http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/j414/44448888/wade.jpg


/thread



:lol You're probably 1 of the Heat fans who think Wade is better than Jordan. :facepalm

[97 bulls]

Funny to see two fan bases who where NEVER on ISH last year calling each other bandwagons.

I know who the real Bulls and one Heat fan are on these boards.

None of them are in this thread.
I've been on this board as long as you and I've always repped the bulls. Even when they sucked. What are you talking about?

[Odinn]

I don't know we'll see. Wade in the playoffs that season wasn't so great. I expect great players to improve in the playoffs, not to falter. Yes, I know Wade was great in the playoffs last season. No need for any stats.
If Wade wasn't so great in regular season, there wouldn't be any playoff games for Heat and Wade.:violin:

[Papaya Petee]

Because wade takes less 3s. And he take more fts shots per game. Not har to figure out

I don't see what's so unintelligent about my comment. Rose is a once in a decade player. And while i know that wade is great, he hasnt done much past 08-09 and 06. Rose is well on his way to passing wades accomplishements in 3 years. I mean, the kid is 22 and will have an mvp a rookie of the year, and possibly a finals mvp. I predict that hell be the face of the league within the next few years too.

Still more efficient regardless how you look at it. And no he won't. Rose doesn't have any All-Defensive teams, Never been even All NBA 1st or 2nd team, not an All-Star MVP, and we don't know if he will win a Finals MVP. Shit, he's the clear cut MVP by most posters, and only Bulls fans think he's on Wade's level and that says a lot.

Wade's team went 59-23 and he averaged 24\7\6 on 48% and got ZERO mvp consideration. He averaged 27\7\6 on 49% his team won 52 games and only finished 5th. Shows you that Rose should feel insanely lucky to win this MVP.

I can play the same game. I predict Wade wins his 2nd Finals MVP this year and wins his first MVP next year.

[Replay32]

This thread is a joke and I love d-rose. :facepalm

[97 bulls]

Still more efficient regardless how you look at it. And no he won't. Rose doesn't have any All-Defensive teams, Never been even All NBA 1st or 2nd team, not an All-Star MVP, and we don't know if he will win a Finals MVP. Shit, he's the clear cut MVP by most posters, and only Bulls fans think he's on Wade's level and that says a lot.

Wade's team went 59-23 and he averaged 24\7\6 on 48% and got ZERO mvp consideration. He averaged 27\7\6 on 49% his team won 52 games and only finished 5th. Shows you that Rose should feel insanely lucky to win this MVP.

I can play the same game. I predict Wade wins his 2nd Finals MVP this year and wins his first MVP next year.
Your right wade could accomplish those things. But after 9 years. I guarantee rose does it in half the time. And rose isn't winning the mvp based on statistics, he's gonna win cuz he lead the bulls to the best record with his starting center and pf out for a considerable amount of time.

And the stats wade put up were impressive. But he did have shaq. And played in the east whic was a terrible conference.

[Heat007]

lol at Wade had Shaq. Wade was the #1 option and Shaq had a lot of issues and past his prime. As Shaq saw 10 less minutes per game in miami..

Wade's PER in those playoff runs was 27+ while Shaq was 19. To put in perspective 5 years before Shaq was 30 compared to Kobe's 19 PER for the playoffs.

Moreover, look what Wade did his rookie year without Shaq.. led them to win their final 17 of their last 21 games when he saw more minutes, and was amazing in the playoffs with clutch performances to the 2nd round.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSdGcamDjnw

^^ Watch that & listen AFTER THE 2 minute mark until the end and pay attention... Kobe had 3 of those miami starters in the following season and they sucked balls and didnt make the playoffs. Wade did FAR better his rookie year with those players than Kobe did a year later.

And of course, Wade's best season was without Shaq. His 2008/2009 season is the best PER season for a true guard in NBA history aside for Jordan who has a few seasons above him. But jordan is the only guard.

and wade did it without shaq so thats no excuse

[97 bulls]

This thread is a joke and I love d-rose. :facepalm
Whatever. I hate when people say stupid shit like this. "Such and such player sucks, and my word is bond cuz im his biggest fan". Trying to act like your unbiased.

[Replay32]

Whatever. I hate when people say stupid shit like this. "Such and such player sucks, and my word is bond cuz im his biggest fan". Trying to act like your unbiased.
:wtf: Are you talking about?

[97 bulls]

lol at Wade had Shaq. Wade was the #1 option and Shaq had a lot of issues and past his prime. As Shaq saw 10 less minutes per game in miami..

Wade's PER in those playoff runs was 27+ while Shaq was 19. To put in perspective 5 years before Shaq was 30 compared to Kobe's 19 PER for the playoffs.

Moreover, look what Wade did his rookie year without Shaq.. led them to win their final 17 of their last 21 games when he saw more minutes, and was amazing in the playoffs with clutch performances to the 2nd round.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSdGcamDjnw

^^ Watch that AFTER THE HALFWAY POINT... Kobe had 3 of those miami starters in the following season and they sucked balls and didnt make the playoffs. Wade did FAR better his rookie year with those players than Kobe did a year later.

And of course, Wade's best season was without Shaq. His 2008/2009 season is the best PER season for a true guard in NBA history aside for Jordan who has a few seasons above him. But jordan is the only guard.

and wade did it without shaq so thats no excuse
im not sayn wade isn't great. All I was doing was responding to petes post. Wade has accomplished alot. But even if you feel shaq was past his prime, he was till going against a terrible batch of centers. And he acg 23 ppg 10rbs and shot 60%. And he didn't miss half the season like boozer and noah. That's the difference.

[Heat007]

And he acg 23 ppg 10rbs and shot 60%. And he didn't miss half the season like boozer and noah. That's the difference.

Wade shot 62% against the Pistons #1 ranked defense for the 06 series, pistons had the, top record in the NBA and they had a franchise best 64 wins. He put on Jordanesque performances we have not seen from a guard since jordan.

and Shaq was a 18/8 guy in the playoffs.. not 23/10

And what you forget is that Shaq MISSED a majority of the first 2 rounds on the 2005 playoffs and Wade won those series With SHAQ IN A SUIT !!! and in that 2005 conference final they were up 3 games to 2 on the pistons when wade got injured. If wade didn't get hurt he has 2 titles now

Of course that was the same Pistons team that dismantled Shaq and Kobe a year before in the 2004 finals. Beating them in 5 and blowing them out in 3 games by 12 pts or more in each game. Wade was far better against that defense of the decade in 2 playoff series and its not even close

Wade was absolutely legendary during those years in the playoffs, and we haven't seen that type of all around mature game from a guard in the playoffs since jordan.. wade made all defense team in 2005

http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/j414/44448888/wadecov1.jpg

http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/j414/44448888/wadecov4.jpg

http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/j414/44448888/wadecov12.jpg

http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/j414/44448888/0012000000001.jpg

[DRose.IS.da.MAN]

You cant deny that Shaq wasn't any help to Wade that season. If Rose had that Shaq, he would have put up bigger numbers. But thats all ifs and buts.

We all know Rose's career<Wade's career

It's Rose's third season, Wade was bothered by injuries most of his career.

But Rose is only 22, only time will tell what will happen in the future

[DRose.IS.da.MAN]

Wade shot 62% against the Pistons #1 ranked defense, top record in the NBA and they had a franchise best 64 wins. He put on Jordanesque performances we have not seen from a guard since jordan.

and Shaq was a 18/8 guy in the playoffs.. not 23/10

And what you forget is that Shaq MISSED a majority of the first 2 rounds on the 2005 playoffs and Wade won those series With SHAQ IN A SUIT !!! and in that 2005 conference final they were up 3 games to 2 on the pistons when wade got injured. If wade didn't get hurt he has 2 titles now

Of course that was the same Pistons team that dismantled Shaq and Kobe a year before in the 2004 finals. Beating them in 5 and blowing them out in 3 games by 12 pts or more in each game. Wade was far better against that defense of the decade in 2 playoff series and its not even close

The East were a joke those years

[Heat007]

The East were a joke those years

you mean Wade beating the Wiz on his own, the same team that beat your bulls?

Yeah the Pistons were a joke. Wade and the Heat had their way with them in 2 playoff series in 05 and 06, while the pistons destroyed the lakers and embarrassed them in the 04 finals the year before (they didn't just beat the favored Lakers but they KILLED them). It was the same pistons team all 3 years

again the pistons were a dominant team. won the title in 04, you saw what they did in 05, and they had the best record in the nba at 64 wins in 2006 with the #1 defense in the nba

far from a joke.

[97 bulls]

You cant deny that Shaq wasn't any help to Wade that season. If Rose had that Shaq, he would have put up bigger numbers. But thats all ifs and buts.

We all know Rose's career<Wade's career

It's Rose's third season, Wade was bothered by injuries most of his career.

But Rose is only 22, only time will tell what will happen in the future
This is all im sayn.

[Heat007]

here's Wade closing out a series... with Shaq in a suit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lcmgy89_DNs

42/7/4/2/1 on over 50% shooting

enjoy

[97 bulls]

Yeah the Pistons were a joke. Wade and the Heat had their way with them in 2 playoff series in 05 and 06, while the pistons destroyed the lakers and embarrassed them in the 04 finals the year before (they didn't just beat the favored Lakers but they KILLED them). It was the same pistons team all 3 years

again the pistons were a dominant team. won the title in 04, you saw what they did in 05, and they had the best record in the nba at 64 wins in 2006 with the #1 defense in the nba

far from a joke.
Lol dude, he said THE EAST was a joke. Not the pistons. And while the playoffs are one great way to measure a players contributions, im not gonna take a total of about 10 games out of 8 years and make a determination like what your doing. Especially when the end result was a loss

[97 bulls]

here's Wade closing out a series... with Shaq in a suit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lcmgy89_DNs

42/7/4/2/1 on over 50% shooting

enjoy
Lol one series. Come on.

[KingBeasley08]

Lol dude, he said THE EAST was a joke. Not the pistons. And while the playoffs are one great way to measure a players contributions, im not gonna take a total of about 10 games out of 8 years and make a determination like what your doing. Especially when the end result was a loss
when he got injured... point is that wade>>rose

rose will not improve that much from now on. what do u all expect?? him to be going at 35/13/6 on 55% :lol

[ballinhun8]

How many more times is Heat007 going to reference f*cking year's past when talking about Wade. Jeez it's so f*ckin annoying to see sh*t from 2009, 06, 05.....we know what he did.



And how retarded do you have to be to say Rose isn't 3/4 of the player Wade is??? Is his co ck down your throat so far that you can't seem to spew out logical sentences and thoughts. Rose has improved every year in his time in the league. He has developed a mid-range, a 3 pt shot, FT shooting, and since what? January is starting to get to the line at a very good rate.


See, but I don't need to post long essays, go back to articles from umpteen years ago, or post youtube videos of what my favorite player does. I'll let you watch his play and judge for yourself. Assuming you can do that without having your homer glasses on.

[KingBeasley08]

Lol one series. Come on.
how many series has rose won

[97 bulls]

how many series has rose won
Dude, you rep beasly. Do you really want me to start? Think about it.

[ballinhun8]

how many series has rose won



Give him Prime Shaq and he'll win a championship in his 3rd year.

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

Give him Prime Shaq and he'll win a championship in his 3rd year.

Wade didnt have "Prime" Shaq.

:roll: :roll: :roll: @ Bull fans acting big :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Heat007]

do you have to be to say Rose isn't 3/4 of the player Wade is???


He never looked as consistently dominant with burst, explosiveness and as strong like this going to the rack..

Take a look at Wade's earlier years doing that. There's things here that Rose hasn't done and simply can't do-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8p52I1Oy-7M

^ remove the face and jersey and the first thing you think of is that must be Michael Jordan in that video. DOMINANT !!

Understand that Wade is 67% at the rack this year, Rose is 59% and for a player known as a slasher/driver that's low. Rose has been 55-59% at the rim in his 3 years. Wade early in his career was around 75% around the rim. This year he missed preseason with injury and it took him over a month to get back into game shape (partly why the Heat started 9-8)

Wade shot 52-58% in the first 2 months at the rim, because he sat out preseason and wasn't in game shape./ But in the last 4 months he's back to his 70% clip. Wade is just far better at the rim (for many reasons) and you cannot discount that since both players are known for being drivers/slashers

Wade only averaged 20 pts in the first 5 or 6 weeks of the season (well below his normal production), if he was healthy all year and didn't get hurt in preseason his point averages and shooting % is a lot higher (and they're already very good).. He has NEVER been around 55% at the rack as he was the first 2 months of the season.. he's been 70% from there since, and some months well over 70% this year since November.

Also consider that Wade is going to the rack at a FEVERISH pace at Age 29 !! He's still attacking the rack as often as years ago.. That is CRAZY !! Even Jordan slowed down around 30 years of age and attacked the rack less frequently. Will Rose be at this pace in going through defenses and being 70% efficient at the rack when he's 29 ???

NO he won't. He's young and he's just 59% so I don't see an older almost 30, slower Rose hitting 70%. Wade was over 75%% when he was 23.. JORDANESQUE

Wade is just better. Like Jordan was dominant and efficient at getting the the rack with agility/smoothness/power/speed/skills, so is Wade... Jordan was known for getting to the rack and how he did it. Wade is the same and no Guard ever combined all of Jordan's attributes (and I can name off a dozen of those attributes) of getting to the rack better than Dwyane Wade..


I will ask the board again

Let me know when Rose can go for a month going 37 points on 57% shooting, 11 assists, 6 rebounds, 3 steals and 1.5 blocks per game...

Rose ISN'T CAPABLE of doing that even if everything was stacked for him. Because he isn't even 3/4 the player Wade is.. you chicago idiots haven't followed Wade's career too closely I see..

Wade is in the TOP 10 ALLTIME for Career playoff PER.. He's in the TOP 10 ALLTIME for regular season PER. He has the best PER ever for a true guard in a season except for Jordan.

Wade has had 3 seasons in his career of holding his isolation matchups to under 30% shooting. That's how good he can be defensively. To put that in perspective, no Guard or SF over the past 10 seasons has had more than one season holding their isolation matchups to under 30% shooting... WADE DID It THREE TIMES !!!

Wade's career 48 Win/Share is tied with Bill Russell for god sakes. Rose has a long way to go to ever be put in the same breath as Dwyane Wade..


http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/j414/44448888/wade.jpg





/thread

[KingBeasley08]

Dude, you rep beasly. Do you really want me to start? Think about it.
how many times have I talked about beasley :oldlol: im not OIAD


Give him Prime Shaq and he'll win a championship in his 3rd year.
wow so wade got Finals MVP with PRIME SHAQ on his team :bowdown: :bowdown: that means wade>>prime shaq?

really tho, ur just making urself look stupid

[ballinhun8]

Wade didnt have "Prime" Shaq.

:roll: :roll: :roll: @ Bull fans acting big :roll: :roll: :roll:



Did you even watch basketball during 2004?? Highly doubt it, probably still in diapers but lemme give you his stats.


http://www.nba.com/lakers/stats/2003/nba_finals_stats.html


25 and 11 on 63% shooting. He destroyed Big Ben. There is no denying that.


But all of a sudden the next year it is Shaq riding 2nd fiddle?? Don't think so.




And please, don't talk about Bulls fans talking big. At least we have a team. We don't follow bum ass players like you and QueenBustly do. You're the worst type of "fan"....

[97 bulls]

Wade didnt have "Prime" Shaq.

:roll: :roll: :roll: @ Bull fans acting big :roll: :roll: :roll:
Wade had the best center in the league at the time. Prime or not. Tell me who was a better center than shaq.

[ballinhun8]

/thread



OH LOOK I CAN WRITE IN BIG FONT AND IF I WANTED TO, POST STATS FROM YEAR'S PAST TO MAKE MY PLAYER LOOK LIKE HE IS STILL THE SAME

[ballinhun8]

.....but I won't cuz I'm not slurping on Rose like you do Wade.

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

Did you even watch basketball during 2004?? Highly doubt it, probably still in diapers but lemme give you his stats.


http://www.nba.com/lakers/stats/2003/nba_finals_stats.html


25 and 11 on 63% shooting. He destroyed Big Ben. There is no denying that.


But all of a sudden the next year it is Shaq riding 2nd fiddle?? Don't think so.




And please, don't talk about Bulls fans talking big. At least we have a team. We don't follow bum ass players like you and QueenBustly do. You're the worst type of "fan"....

We are talking about 2006 not ****ing 04 :hammerhead:

And ROFL @ adding Michael Beasley to the discussion, pretty weak

[KingBeasley08]

shaq that playoff year had 18/10. Good numbers but prime shaq???? Better than wade? Again, ur getting all butthurt and sound like an idiot right now

[DRose.IS.da.MAN]

We are talking about 2006 not ****ing 04 :hammerhead:

And ROFL @ adding Michael Beasley to the discussion, pretty weak

He was pointing out that just the year before Shaq was putting up big numbers because some ppl think shaq wasnt effective 04-06

[ballinhun8]

We are talking about 2006 not ****ing 04 :hammerhead:

And ROFL @ adding Michael Beasley to the discussion, pretty weak


No I'm talking about 2005....the year after he went nuts on that Pistons team in the Finals. He was about to leave his prime because injuries got to him.



And since you're posting on both your accounts I'll just reply to beasley08, I'm talkin about 05 again. Heck even in 06, his presence alone made it that much easier for Wade.

[DRose.IS.da.MAN]

We all kinda know that kingbeasely and 8BeastlyXOIAD might be the same person. It doesnt make sense to have 2 beasely lovers on one forum...

[97 bulls]

shaq that playoff year had 18/10. Good numbers but prime shaq???? Better than wade? Again, ur getting all butthurt and sound like an idiot right now
Again prime or not who was better than shaq at center while he was with the heat?

[KingBeasley08]

Again prime or not who was better than shaq at center while he was with the heat?
is that relevent though? u all make it sound as if shaq was the reason the heat won when in reality it was wade that took over

LOL at that rose troll thinking im OIAD. w.e :oldlol: dude knows hes arguing a wrong argument so hes gotta cop out somehow :oldlol:

[DRose.IS.da.MAN]

is that relevent though? u all make it sound as if shaq was the reason the heat won when in reality it was wade that took over

LOL at that rose troll thinking im OIAD. w.e :oldlol: dude knows hes arguing a wrong argument so hes gotta cop out somehow :oldlol:

No one said Shaq was better than Wade that year :hammerhead:

Of course wade was better, but Wade did get a lot of help from Shaq being down low in the post

[KingBeasley08]

No one said Shaq was better than Wade that year :hammerhead:

Of course wade was better, but Wade did get a lot of help from Shaq being down low in the post
every players thats won a championship has had help except for mabye duncan (03) and hakeem.

and as a matter of fact, ur friend ballhun stated "prime shaq". considering prime shaq was much better than wade, id assume thats exactly what he was stating

[kaiiu]

Y are y'all arguing wade over shaq?
The refs were by far the best player in that series. ..

[ballinhun8]

every players thats won a championship has had help except for mabye duncan (03) and hakeem.

and as a matter of fact, ur friend ballhun stated "prime shaq"



Shaq's Prime you could say was from 2000-2005.....What's wrong with that??? He still was solid in 2006 and if it wasn't for him the Heat don't win a 'ship. As good as Wade was, he still needed Shaq to be there.

[KingBeasley08]

Shaq's Prime you could say was from 2000-2005.....What's wrong with that??? He still was solid in 2006 and if it wasn't for him the Heat don't win a 'ship. As good as Wade was, he still needed Shaq to be there.
l always though of shaq's prime from late 90s to early 2000s. He was def not the same person in 06.

and of course. shaq needed kobe. jordan needed pippen. magic need kareem etc.. no one can do it by themselves

[detroitdogg]

I will try to end the thread off this one, D Rose is D Wade mini, there is just things that Wade has done over the years physically (and still doing at the exact same rate, he has not lost a step at all) that Rose will probally notbe able to do (I say probally cause Rose could one day create the tank like sg frame that Wade has, but he wil never be able to increase his size and keep his speed or any speed similar to current Wade), if you look at the pace they both improved at through their 3rd seasons (I dont go by age), Wade just kills Rose, its just that simple, at the 3rd year point Waes numbers killed Roses, and we will wait to see about the team success.

They both have the same stregnths, Wade is just better at them now and he was better in his 3rd year, when situations look llike this most of the time the player being compared does not catch up to the highest level of the other player, im not saying its impossible but Wade is bigger, stronger, just as fast, quicker, a better finisher, has more dribble moves, and is better at getting to the basket, and he had all these advantages 3 years into the league.



Dude said Rose was a once in a decade type of player, lmao, there is 3-4 different versions of Rose who have all said they modeled their game after Wade, including Rose, these dont get their opinions from ESPN, the players know what it is, Wades impact on the league and on players is bigger than the media will ever give him credit for, and thats the fukked up part.

[Heat007]

I will try to end the thread off this one, D Rose is D Wade mini, there is just things that Wade has done over the years physically (and still doing at the exact same rate, he has not lost a step at all) that Rose will probally notbe able to do (I say probally cause Rose could one day create the tank like sg frame that Wade has, but he wil never be able to increase his size and keep his speed or any speed similar to current Wade), if you look at the pace they both improved at through their 3rd seasons (I dont go by age), Wade just kills Rose, its just that simple, at the 3rd year point Waes numbers killed Roses, and we will wait to see about the team success.

They both have the same stregnths, Wade is just better at them now and he was better in his 3rd year, when situations look llike this most of the time the player being compared does not catch up to the highest level of the other player, im not saying its impossible

but Wade is bigger, stronger, just as fast, quicker, a better finisher, has more dribble moves, and is better at getting to the basket, and he had all these advantages 3 years into the league.



Dude said Rose was a once in a decade type of player, lmao, there is 3-4 different versions of Rose who have all said they modeled their game after Wade, including Rose, these dont get their opinions from ESPN, the players know what it is, Wades impact on the league and on players is bigger than the media will ever give him credit for, and thats the fukked up part.

basically..

but you can add better defense, better post up game, better face up game, better passer, better rebounder, much better in traffic areas down low as he plays much bigger than his size etc etc , and on and on and on she goes

Rose simply isn't even 3/4 the player Wade is (was, or whatever timeline you want to go with)



Now we can really....

/thread

[OriginalNameGuy]

but he isn't better than Wade so the thread is pointless :confusedshrug:

Wade is an elite defender
Can still get to the rim at will and is an all around better scorer than Rose
one of the best if not the best in the league at drawing fouls

People want to crown Rose when he needs to do this consistently. He could fall off a cliff next year its too early to be comparing him to Wade, Bron, Kobe, you get the idea, people who have been dominant for years

[DRose.IS.da.MAN]

No one said Rose is better now than Wade was his third season. But Rose is a better shooter, more quicker, and more faster than Wade was his third year. And Wade also had more college experience. But to say Rose wont be as good as Wade is plain stupid :hammerhead: He's only 22

[ballinhun8]

If we put this in gas level terms.


Rose is at about 75% of where Wade is. So he's, yes, 3/4 of what Wade is as a player. Young and improving every year. The only thing he hasn't done that Wade has was win a playoff series, which is what we all Bulls fans hope will happen this year.

[KingBeasley08]

No one said Rose is better now than Wade was his third season. But Rose is a better shooter, more quicker, and more faster than Wade was his third year. And Wade also had more college experience. But to say Rose wont be as good as Wade is plain stupid :hammerhead: He's only 22
hes not a better shooter. ill give him that hes slightly quicker but wade is also a lot stronger. this thread was about how hes better than wade now which is why ppl like me are outraged


If we put this in gas level terms.


Rose is at about 75% of where Wade is. So he's, yes, 3/4 of what Wade is as a player. Young and improving every year. The only thing he hasn't done that Wade has was win a playoff series, which is what we all Bulls fans will happen this year.
good post :applause:

[detroitdogg]

No one said Rose is better now than Wade was his third season. But Rose is a better shooter, more quicker, and more faster than Wade was his third year. And Wade also had more college experience. But to say Rose wont be as good as Wade is plain stupid :hammerhead: He's only 22
I wounder what is their 40 yard dash numbers, I cant flat out say Rose is faster, and I think Wade is quicker. Here is the thing, D Rose is not long, Wade has long legs and arms, Rose takes a bunch of small steps in a very fast looking motion while going forward, Wade takes up a lot of space with each step cause of his legnth, when I see both of them go coast to coast the 1st thing that I notice is they both look very different doing it, but they both get there at bout the same speed, thats probally the llegnth, consistant small strides will LOOK faster than fast long strides. Rose is def not quicker, but the most importantthing that yall are not mentioning is body control, Wade is NEVER out of control, he is NEVER moving too fast, and he can stop and go at will,he is easily the most controled basketball player of this era. Watch all the combo guards go coast to coast and watch how Wade does it so smooth and under control, his level of finesse while handling the ball is on another level, check for yourself bro.

[EnoughSaid]

In that championship year, Shaq missed 23 games. Wade lead the team and to think that Shaq was prime during that year averaging 20/9 is ridiculous considering his peak was 30/14. Just stop.

[DRose.IS.da.MAN]

I wounder what is their 40 yard dash numbers, I cant flat out say Rose is faster, and I think Wade is quicker. Here is the thing, D Rose is not long, Wade has long legs and arms, Rose takes a bunch of small steps in a very fast looking motion while going forward, Wade takes up a lot of space with each step cause of his legnth, when I see both of them go coast to coast the 1st thing that I notice is they both look very different doing it, but they both get there at bout the same speed, thats probally the llegnth, consistant small strides will LOOK faster than fast long strides. Rose is def not quicker, but the most importantthing that yall are not mentioning is body control, Wade is NEVER out of control, he is NEVER moving too fast, and he can stop and go at will,he is easily the most controled basketball player of this era. Watch all the combo guards go coast to coast and watch how Wade does it so smooth and under control, his level of finesse while handling the ball is on another level, check for yourself bro.

I agree that Wade has great body control, but Rose also has great body control, that's the reason he never gets called for charges.
Guys like Westbrook and even LeBron dont have great body control, they just run into people most of the time, especially westbrook, and get called for charges.
I do still believe Rose is quicker than Wade, but Wade is stronger for sure, and hes great with the Euro step.

[gilalizard]

Wade needs a Shaq or a LeBron on his team.

Rose does not.

Wade cries like a spoiled 2-year-old when he doesn't get bail-out phantom calls.

Rose does not.

[Heat007]

I wounder what is their 40 yard dash numbers, I cant flat out say Rose is faster, and I think Wade is quicker.

Here is the thing, D Rose is not long, Wade has long legs and arms, Rose takes a bunch of small steps in a very fast looking motion while going forward, Wade takes up a lot of space with each step cause of his legnth, when I see both of them go coast to coast the 1st thing that I notice is they both look very different doing it, but they both get there at bout the same speed, thats probally the llegnth, consistant small strides will LOOK faster than fast long strides.

Rose is def not quicker, but the most importantthing that yall are not mentioning is body control, Wade is NEVER out of control, he is NEVER moving too fast, and he can stop and go at will,he is easily the most controled basketball player of this era.

Watch all the combo guards go coast to coast and watch how Wade does it so smooth and under control, his level of finesse while handling the ball is on another level, check for yourself bro.

people need to absorb all you said then follow it up by watching this... FULLY... not just the first minute, but watch ALL of it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8p52I1Oy-7M

and what's sad it those aren't close to a lot of his best plays in his early years. Cover the face and jersey, and the very first thing that comes to your mind after finishing that video is... that must be Jordan

One more thing that needs to be mentioned with body control.. Wade is a lot better at absorbing hard contact and still being able to be in control to take a good shot.

[DRose.IS.da.MAN]

In that championship year, Shaq missed 23 games. Wade lead the team and to think that Shaq was prime during that year averaging 20/9 is ridiculous considering his peak was 30/14. Just stop.

Okay man, if that makes you sleep at night, Im not gonna waste my time arguing with you.

[EnoughSaid]

Wade needs a Shaq or a LeBron on his team.

Rose does not.

Wade cries like a spoiled 2-year-old when he doesn't get bail-out phantom calls.

Rose does not.

:facepalm Every great player in the history of the game that has won a championship had another future hall of famer on their teams. Rose has good players on 3 of the 4 positions and an excellent coach. So you're telling me that if Rose wins it this year you are going to say he did it by himself?

[Alonzo Magic]

Okay man, if that makes you sleep at night, Im not gonna waste my time arguing with you.

What did he say that was so unreasonable?

[detroitdogg]

I agree that Wade has great body control, but Rose also has great body control, that's the reason he never draws charges.
Guys like Westbrook and even LeBron dont have great body control, they just run into people most of the time, especially westbrook, and get called for charges.
I do still believe Rose is quicker than Wade, but Wade is stronger for sure, and hes great with the Euro step.
Good post bro, I agree that Rose has great body control too, but you do get the occasional bonehead play where he is moving too fast of out of control, but dude def is at the top along with Wade as far as the combo guards go, just behind him by a nice margin.

Mos def agree on the comment about Westbrook, he does not know when to slow down and he has not figured out when to go full speed yet, he keeps his foot onthe gas too much, still a great attacker, but thats one of the major things Rose has on him.

[Samurai Swoosh]

Wade is still the better players, fellow Rose / Bulls fans.

I can freely admit this. With that said, Rose is catching up and gaining ground quick.

Just like Wade early in his career, the more confidence you keep giving him (Rose), the more he keeps delivering for you. Skies the limit the more and more he starts to believe in himself.

I truly think thats why he turned into an MVP this year. His first year he had to give into BG, and didn't want to disrupt team chemistry. In his 2nd year he was an all-star, started to gain his footing as the team's best player.

Then as most do by their third year he exploded supernova style. And as the season progressed, he probably heard more and more people considering him an MVP, and with the confidence in his game from the work he put in over the summer, and others believing in him ... his game has continued to elevate. Let's see what he does come playoff time. Cause really, Wade was a monster every year he's been in the playoffs.

Wade is better. For now. Rose could surpass him in these very playoffs. We'll see what he does. But I do know this ... Rose developed a legit and deadly 3 point shot by his third year. Wade didn't become a serious threat from deep until after his 4th or 5th season. Rose is developing very quickly. And he's younger and less polished than Wade was coming into the league.

That counts for something. I wouldn't talk too much ish Rose haters. He's legit, very legit. And only getting better.

:pimp:

[EnoughSaid]

Wade is still the better players, fellow Rose / Bulls fans.

I can freely admit this. With that said, Rose is catching up and gaining ground quick.

Just like Wade early in his career, the more confidence you keep giving him (Rose), the more he keeps delivering for you. Skies the limit the more and more he starts to believe in himself.

I truly think thats why he turned into an MVP this year. His first year he had to give into BG, and didn't want to disrupt team chemistry. In his 2nd year he was an all-star, started to gain his footing as the team's best player.

Then as most due by their third year he exploded supernova style. And as the season progressed, he probably heard more and more people considering him an MVP, and with the confidence in his game from the work he put in over the summer, and others believing in him ... his game has continued to elevate. Let's see what he does come playoff time. Cause really, Wade was a monster every year he's been in the playoffs.

Wade is better. For now. Rose could surpass him in these very playoffs. We'll see what he does. But I do know this ... Rose developed a legit and deadly 3 point shot by his third year. Wade didn't become a serious threat from deep until after his 4th or 5th season. Rose is developing very quickly. And he's younger and less polished than Wade was coming into the league.

That counts for something. I wouldn't talk too much ish Rose haters. He's legit, very legit. And only getting better.

:pimp:

Rose is good, he's one of the best. But people need to stop overrating the kid. D-Wade is clearly better, but in a few years: D-Rose >> Wade.

[Samurai Swoosh]

Rose is good, he's one of the best. But people need to stop overrating the kid. D-Wade is clearly better, but in a few years: D-Rose >> Wade.
He's not being overrated at all, though. He's the MVP of the league. Players, coaches, analysts all singing his praises. He's earned his stripes this season as an elite caliber player. Wade is still better, absolutely.

[97 bulls]

He's not being overrated at all, though. He's the MVP of the league. Players, coaches, analysts all singing his praises. He's earned his stripes this season as an elite caliber player. Wade is still better, absolutely.
Wade is more accomplished. Due to the fact he's been playing for so long

[Heat007]

He's not being overrated at all, though. He's the MVP of the league. Players, coaches, analysts all singing his praises. He's earned his stripes this season as an elite caliber player. Wade is still better, absolutely.

he's HEAVILY and RIDICULOUSLY overrated..


because he will be the worst MVP EVER

[97 bulls]

he's HEAVILY and RIDICULOUSLY overrated..


because he will be the worst MVP EVER
Thhe kid lead an injury riddled team to the best record in basketball. Wade could never do that.

[ballerz]

rose is seven years younger than wade. yes wade is better now but d-rose will be better then wade soon

[Dresta]

lol @ people talking about a 'prime Shaq', what did Shaq average in the 2006 finals? kthnxbye

[GOBB]

Wade is more accomplished. Due to the fact he's been playing for so long

Must kill you to say Wade is better than Rose.

[Ikill]

rose is seven years younger than wade. yes wade is better now but d-rose will be better then wade soon
Rose and Wade are my two favorite players but i don't think Rose is ever going to be good as Wade.

[Heat007]

Thhe kid lead an injury riddled team to the best record in basketball. Wade could never do that.

you idiot, Wade led a team well past their prime, old, and on their last legs to the championship

37 year old gary payton? And old and out of shape antoine walker was his best 3 pt shooter. ! Shaq was NOTHIng like he was in 00, 01 and 02.. that's why shaq saw 10 minutes less per game in miami.. and why he wasn't receiving close to the double and triple teams in miami as he did in his prime

haslem was the starting PF

the pistons in the conference finals were HEAVY favorites.. the Mavs in the finals were heavy heavy favorites in vegas too.

no way rose leads that team to a championship beating the team they did like the 64 win Pistons easy in 6 games.. ZERO chance ! NONE !

[TheNaturalWR]

I wounder what is their 40 yard dash numbers, I cant flat out say Rose is faster, and I think Wade is quicker. Here is the thing, D Rose is not long, Wade has long legs and arms, Rose takes a bunch of small steps in a very fast looking motion while going forward, Wade takes up a lot of space with each step cause of his legnth, when I see both of them go coast to coast the 1st thing that I notice is they both look very different doing it, but they both get there at bout the same speed, thats probally the llegnth, consistant small strides will LOOK faster than fast long strides. Rose is def not quicker, but the most importantthing that yall are not mentioning is body control, Wade is NEVER out of control, he is NEVER moving too fast, and he can stop and go at will,he is easily the most controled basketball player of this era. Watch all the combo guards go coast to coast and watch how Wade does it so smooth and under control, his level of finesse while handling the ball is on another level, check for yourself bro.

This is the truth right here. Wade easily has the best body-control in the league. Rose will be better than Wade the day Wade retires. Rose will never be what a prime Wade was.

[Harison]

rose is seven years younger than wade. yes wade is better now but d-rose will be better then wade soon
Before this season I would have seriously doubted that, but Rose did nice breakthrough... and yet I'm still not sure if Rose can do few leaps more to reach Wade's level. '06 Finals, last Playoffs against Celtics were mind boggling performances, just to name the few, until Rose does remotely anything like that, he isnt in the conversation.

[DMAVS41]

you idiot, Wade led a team well past their prime, old, and on their last legs to the championship

37 year old gary payton? And old and out of shape antoine walker was his best 3 pt shooter. ! Shaq was NOTHIng like he was in 00, 01 and 02.. that's why shaq saw 10 minutes less per game in miami.. and why he wasn't receiving close to the double and triple teams in miami as he did in his prime

haslem was the starting PF

the pistons in the conference finals were HEAVY favorites.. the Mavs in the finals were heavy heavy favorites in vegas too.

no way rose leads that team to a championship beating the team they did like the 64 win Pistons easy in 6 games.. ZERO chance ! NONE !

You know I'm a huge Wade fan, but the Heat were good in 06. In fact, they were the 2nd favorites to start the season to win the title.

Only the spurs had better odds to win to start the 06 season to win the title.

Spurs 2 to 1
Heat 5 to 1
Mavs 20 to 1

Wade played amazing and carried that team, but they were better than you are giving them credit for.

Having said the above, Wade is superior player to Rose. At this point, I don't think its very close. Wade is better offensively and defensively. If Rose didn't have such a great rebounding and defensive team around him, he simply couldn't carry a team to wins in the playoffs with his inefficient play and shotjacking way too many threes.

[rodman91]

you idiot, Wade led a team well past their prime, old, and on their last legs to the championship

37 year old gary payton? And old and out of shape antoine walker was his best 3 pt shooter. ! Shaq was NOTHIng like he was in 00, 01 and 02.. that's why shaq saw 10 minutes less per game in miami.. and why he wasn't receiving close to the double and triple teams in miami as he did in his prime

haslem was the starting PF

the pistons in the conference finals were HEAVY favorites.. the Mavs in the finals were heavy heavy favorites in vegas too.

no way rose leads that team to a championship beating the team they did like the 64 win Pistons easy in 6 games.. ZERO chance ! NONE !

Shaq was still dominant force and one of the best players in the league in 06.Nowhere near to Lakers years, but he was still killing B.Wallace easily.

Haslem was quite good and underrated in 06. He had nice mid J and all about hustle.Thats all you need when you have Shaq.

And...Wade was playing a lot more agressive than these days. Kinda like Rose but with more talent.

They have seen as contender when they signed Shaq. Seen as another Shaq & Penny, Shaq & Kobe.. However it turn out to be Shaq as second force.

[jrong]

Lol at people talking like Wade is out of his prime. He's not out of his prime, he's playing with LEBRON JAMES. If he wasn't, he'd be averaging 30/7, and this comparison would be absurd.

[jrong]

Thhe kid lead an injury riddled team to the best record in basketball. Wade could never do that.

That's some good ish you're smoking. Wade led teams the last two years to an average of 45 wins, on which none of the players but he could start for the Bulls, and many of them wouldn't even get court time.

[97 bulls]

Rose and Wade are my two favorite players but i don't think Rose is ever going to be good as Wade.
Did you see what rose did today? He's having these kind of games consistantly.

[97 bulls]

That's some good ish you're smoking. Wade led teams the last two years to an average of 45 wins, on which none of the players but he could start for the Bulls, and many of them wouldn't even get court time.
So what? 45 isnt 62.

[97 bulls]

Shaq was still dominant force and one of the best players in the league in 06.Nowhere near to Lakers years, but he was still killing B.Wallace easily.

Haslem was quite good and underrated in 06. He had nice mid J and all about hustle.Thats all you need when you have Shaq.

And...Wade was playing a lot more agressive than these days. Kinda like Rose but with more talent.

They have seen as contender when they signed Shaq. Seen as another Shaq & Penny, Shaq & Kobe.. However it turn out to be Shaq as second force.
He also said walker was the heats best 3pt shooter. Forgetting they had posey, and williams too. I question if he's even a heat fan.

And im still waiting for someone to tell me how many centers were better than shaq in 06.

[jrong]

So what? 45 isnt 62.

So what? Michael Beasley isn't Carlos Boozer. Jermaine O'Neal/Joel Anthony aren't Joakim Noah. Quentin Richardson isn't Luol Deng. Mario Chalmers/Carlos Arroyo are about equal with Keith Bogans. And Erik Spoelstra isn't Tom Thibodeau.

Or don't you comprehend variables?

Oh and btw, Wade's 2005, 2006, 200, 2009, 2010, 2011 seasons > Rose's 2011 season.

[LA KB24]

lol @ even comparing Rose to the best SG in the game and the best player in the game when 100% healthy.

nah.

[Human Error]

I've seen roses improvement over the course of 2 years. Wades jumpshot after 7 years is suspect at best. Rose has improved drastically every year. Wade hasn't. And he brittle. Maybe his injury problems had hindered him from improving his game more.
Injury had hindered Wade from ever improving? :facepalm

This year Wade shot 50% from the field. As a guard.

[LEFT4DEAD]

I dont think Rose will ever be as player as Wade. He is already near his peak, and I dont see him improving his stats more than lets say 26/8/5. And he will never have a finals series like Wade. He is simply not capable.

[Ikill]

Rose went from 17/6/4 48%fg to 25/8/4 45% fg
Wade went from 16/5/4 47% fg to 27/7/6 50% fg

[Ikill]

I dont think Rose will ever be as player as Wade. He is already near his peak, and I dont see him improving his stats more than lets say 26/8/5. And he will never have a finals series like Wade. He is simply not capable.
i think his scoring will peak at 25 but what i do think he will improve is his efficiency his passing and defense. His stats will probably be around 22-24/8-10/4-5 46-48% fg with good defense his peak will probably be 25/10/6

[Ikill]

Injury had hindered Wade from ever improving? :facepalm

This year Wade shot 50% from the field. As a guard.
I don't think injury ever stopped Wade from improving but i do think injury stopped Wade from reaching his peak. We never really got to see Wade with a consistent jump shot along with peak athleticism(05,06) for a whole season only glimpses like 06 playoffs, 07 before injury, second half of 09 season and second half 10 season. He should of been putting 30/7/6 50% every season since 2007

[sh0wtime]

Oh god.

[Human Error]

What a great performance by Wade tonight with the refs heavily favoring the Mavericks. It still surprises me that people think Rose is so much better than Wade.