Did Jordan ever have games like Kobe did tonight....

[G-train]

.... at a similar age?

Just wondering. I don't recall any. He might have though.
Many posters around here think Kobe is a better scorer than Jordan was at the same age but I seem to doubt it based on these occasional terrible games he throws in. I just think that any Bulls Jordan would have dropped 40 ppg against these Hornets.

Not trolling, just thinking about Mike's amazing scoring abilities against what many deem to be a more difficult era.

[H.A.M.]

.... at a similar age?

Just wondering. I don't recall any. He might have though.
Many posters around here think Kobe is a better scorer than Jordan was at the same age but I seem to doubt it based on these occasional terrible games he throws in. I just think that any Bulls Jordan would have dropped 40 ppg against these Hornets.

Not trolling, just thinking about Mike's amazing scoring abilities against what many deem to be a more difficult era.

this is in fact trolling.

I hate the Lakers but it was obvious Kobe was going to spend his energy stopping CP3. They got the win so who gives a fock about how much he's scored

[The Decision]

:facepalm

[Mrofir]

.... at a similar age?

Just wondering. I don't recall any. He might have though.
Many posters around here think Kobe is a better scorer than Jordan was at the same age but I seem to doubt it based on these occasional terrible games he throws in. I just think that any Bulls Jordan would have dropped 40 ppg against these Hornets.

Not trolling, just thinking about Mike's amazing scoring abilities against what many deem to be a more difficult era.


you are too obviously correct for reasonable people like me to chime in and say "yes, you are right"



and so the others will simply eat you alive.

So I posted. There ya go

[bl2k8]

jordan kobe jordan kobe,

[Collie]

.... at a similar age?

Just wondering. I don't recall any. He might have though.
Many trolls around here think Kobe is a better scorer than Jordan was at the same age but I seem to doubt it based on these occasional terrible games he throws in. I just think that any Bulls Jordan would have dropped 40 ppg against these Hornets.

Not trolling, just thinking about Mike's amazing scoring abilities against what many deem to be a more difficult era.

Fixed.

MJ at Kobe's age was still dropping 30.4 ppg.

[jlauber]

No, and in fact, Jordan's team's never lost a game, either. The man walked on water for cryingoutloud.

[AlphaWolf24]

1/3rd of his career he played on Losing /sub .500 teams..@32 years old he was playing baseball and choking vs Orlando....


INB4 MJ never played bad or got his shot blocked:lol

[whoartthou]

this is in fact trolling.

I hate the Lakers but it was obvious Kobe was going to spend his energy stopping CP3. They got the win so who gives a fock about how much he's scored
:roll: :roll: :roll:

Kobe did not stop anyone.

So i guess 20/9/4 1 tov on 11 fgs and 50 fg % is stopping? lOL

[Colby Brian]

has jordan ever token 10 shots or less in the playoffs?

how many points did kobe have in game 1?

[whoartthou]

1/3rd of his career he played on Losing /sub .500 teams..@32 years old he was playing baseball and choking vs Orlando....


INB4 MJ never played bad or got his shot blocked:lol

Jordan at 35 would drop 40+ points on this hornets team and will win the game (see game one).


NEXT

[AlphaWolf24]

this is in fact trolling.

I hate the Lakers but it was obvious Kobe was going to spend his energy stopping CP3. They got the win so who gives a fock about how much he's scored


you way to smart for these folks...

[AlphaWolf24]

Jordan at 35 would drop 40+ points on this hornets team and will win the game (see game one).


NEXT

No he would get broken off..much Like AI and D Staudimire tore him a new azz...

[Christofire]

Fixed.

MJ at Kobe's age was still dropping 30.4 ppg.

jordan at Kobe's age had less mileage on his body....and Kobe has had more injuries throught his career than jordan as well. This thread is dumb, Kobe obviously was not looking for his shot.

[Rysio]

lol at acting like kobe was trying to score tonight.

[Christofire]

No he would get broken off..much Like AI and D Staudimire tore him a new azz...
LMAO..man i sued to love watchin damon stoudemire eat jordan alive...Jordan once said that he hated guarding damon stoudemire more than anyone in the league.

[whoartthou]

holy crap... 5 kobe homers in this thread already?!

[N0Skillz]

Lol what? MJ is perfect, he has never played bad in his life :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


MJ could play 6 on 1 and win by 500 points

[Colby Brian]

lol at acting like kobe was trying to score tonight.

:applause: he took 10 shots, and was continously trying to get gasol the ball in the post

[dillondavis]

Score 34 your a shot jacker... Phosalitate you suck.
Where's does he win?

[NBASTATMAN]

LMAO..man i sued to love watchin damon stoudemire eat jordan alive...Jordan once said that he hated guarding damon stoudemire more than anyone in the league.


I love watching Kobe try to guard Gilbert arenas.. LOL..

[gorbo]

what's the worst game jordan ever played? simple question

i mean, after he was already established. or even after his first chip, not as an up and comer

[AlphaWolf24]

Isn't MJ the only player to take 35+ shots and fail to score 30 pts??:lol :lol :lol

[NBASTATMAN]

Score 34 your a shot jacker... Phosalitate you suck.
Where's does he win?


Websters .. Just kidding.. He wasn't trying to score but when he did he looked off.. Way off..

[Replay32]

Oh boy, here we go......

[NBASTATMAN]

what's the worst game jordan ever played? simple question

i mean, after he was already established. or even after his first chip, not as an up and comer


He had a game where he didn't score in the playoffs cuz his team said he was shooting too much.. He did what Kobe did a couple of years back when Shaq bitched about Kobe shooting too much

[The Decision]

Isn't MJ the only player to take 35+ shots and fail to score 30 pts??:lol :lol :lol
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Collie]

Lol what? MJ is perfect, he has never played bad in his life :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


MJ could play 6 on 1 and win by 500 points

He's not perfect.

He's just better than Kobe.

[whoartthou]

why cant you kobe stans admit kobe played like ass today?

All he had to do was give the ball to his bigs and = win game.

Its that simple

[quick96]

Did you know that Michael "90's Cupcake" Jordan shot a PATHETIC 5 of 19

in the Finals vs the Seattle Super Sonics?

He also shot 6 of 19 in another game in that

series. In other playoff games MJ was 3 for 18, 8 of 24, 7 of 23,

and

A PATHETIC 9 OF 35!!!

WHAT A JOKE!!!

Michael "Shirley Temple" Jordan= 90's Cabbage Patch
KB24= G.O.A.T.

[NBASTATMAN]

Lol what? MJ is perfect, he has never played bad in his life :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


MJ could play 6 on 1 and win by 500 points


Nah, maybe 590 though :D

[AlphaWolf24]

what's the worst game jordan ever played? simple question

i mean, after he was already established. or even after his first chip, not as an up and comer

off the top of my head..:rolleyes:

Jordan's '97 game vs. the Spurs remains the most shot attempts ever (39) taken without scoring 30 points. It's also the only time someone has taken more than 36 shots and failed to score 30 points.

Jordan's greatest hits:

1998-02-25 CHI vs POR 9/26 .346 FG%

1996-04-07 CHI@ORL 10/30 .333 FG%

1996-02-15 CHI@DET 10/30 .333 FG%

1996-12-17 CHIvsLAL 10/32 .313 FG%

1997-11-03 CHI SAS 12/39 .308 FG%

1995-12-06 CHIvsNYK 8/27 .296 FG%:lol :lol :lol

[whoartthou]

Did you know that Michael "90's Cupcake" Jordan shot a PATHETIC 5 of 19

in the Finals vs the Seattle Super Sonics?

He also shot 6 of 19 in another game in that

series. In other playoff games MJ was 3 for 18, 8 of 24, 7 of 23,

and

A PATHETIC 9 OF 35!!!

WHAT A JOKE!!!

Michael "Shirley Temple" Jordan= 90's Cabbage Patch
KB24= G.O.A.T.


in that "pathetic" 9 of 35, his second reliable star player was not in the game majority of the time.. He also made majority of the points in the 4th AND THE CLUTCH STEAL/SHOT TO CLOSE THE GAME.

Your boy kobe has more bad games than the whole top 10 GOAT combined.

U MAD BRAH

[Colby Brian]

off the top of my head..:rolleyes:

Jordan's '97 game vs. the Spurs remains the most shot attempts ever (39) taken without scoring 30 points. It's also the only time someone has taken more than 36 shots and failed to score 30 points.

Jordan's greatest hits:

1998-02-25 CHI vs POR 9/26 .346 FG%

1996-04-07 CHI@ORL 10/30 .333 FG%

1996-02-15 CHI@DET 10/30 .333 FG%

1996-12-17 CHIvsLAL 10/32 .313 FG%

1997-11-03 CHI SAS 12/39 .308 FG%

1995-12-06 CHIvsNYK 8/27 .296 FG%:lol :lol :lol

/thread

everybody doesnt always play perfect

[whoartthou]

off the top of my head..:rolleyes:

Jordan's '97 game vs. the Spurs remains the most shot attempts ever (39) taken without scoring 30 points. It's also the only time someone has taken more than 36 shots and failed to score 30 points.

Jordan's greatest hits:

1998-02-25 CHI vs POR 9/26 .346 FG%

1996-04-07 CHI@ORL 10/30 .333 FG%

1996-02-15 CHI@DET 10/30 .333 FG%

1996-12-17 CHIvsLAL 10/32 .313 FG%

1997-11-03 CHI SAS 12/39 .308 FG%

1995-12-06 CHIvsNYK 8/27 .296 FG%:lol :lol :lol

tHE funny thing is, in jordans prime, he rarely had games like this.

You gotta resort to OLD MAN jordan :confusedshrug:

[jlauber]

March 22, 1986...

8 pts on 4-13 shooting.

[whoartthou]

/thread

everybody doesnt always play perfect

no shit...

buT MJ has had far less shitty games than kome. FACT

[NBASTATMAN]

off the top of my head..:rolleyes:

Jordan's '97 game vs. the Spurs remains the most shot attempts ever (39) taken without scoring 30 points. It's also the only time someone has taken more than 36 shots and failed to score 30 points.

Jordan's greatest hits:

1998-02-25 CHI vs POR 9/26 .346 FG%

1996-04-07 CHI@ORL 10/30 .333 FG%

1996-02-15 CHI@DET 10/30 .333 FG%

1996-12-17 CHIvsLAL 10/32 .313 FG%

1997-11-03 CHI SAS 12/39 .308 FG%

1995-12-06 CHIvsNYK 8/27 .296 FG%:lol :lol :lol


You really want to compare bad games.. Kobe would win by a landslide.. :rockon:


Anyway I don't think Kobe scuked tonight.. He tried to force things late in the game and that is good enough.. Better than screwing it up..

[Colby Brian]

tHE funny thing is, in jordans prime, he rarely had games like this.

You gotta resort to OLD MAN jordan :confusedshrug:

is kobe some young guy all of a sudden

[AlphaWolf24]

no shit...

buT MJ has had far less shitty games than kome. FACT

5 Losing seasons:lol :lol :lol

[NBASTATMAN]

March 22, 1986...

8 pts on 4-13 shooting.


Was that the game where he didn't shoot cuz his teammates were bitching about shooting too much?

Kobe wasn't bad tonight.. He wasn't good either though.. Gasol was bad tonight

[AlphaWolf24]

You really want to compare bad games.. Kobe would win by a landslide.. :rockon:


Anyway I don't think Kobe scuked tonight.. He tried to force things late in the game and that is good enough.. Better than screwing it up..

"force things"...Oh Gawd:facepalm

[AlphaWolf24]

March 22, 1986...

8 pts on 4-13 shooting.


:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Colby Brian]

Was that the game where he didn't shoot cuz his teammates were bitching about shooting too much?

Kobe wasn't bad tonight.. He wasn't good either though.. Gasol was bad tonight

1 game doesnt define your career

[whoartthou]

5 Losing seasons:lol :lol :lol

6 chips > 5 (2 as the man) FACT.

6 finals mvp > 2 FACT

A shit ton of mvps > 1 FACT

Defensive player of the year > none FACT

Top 5 leader in steals >>> not even top 20... FACT

Numerous legendary performances in the biggest stage > Getting bailed out by teammates FACT

Countless scoring titles > 2 (?) FACT


Jordan >>>>>> KOBE FACT


NEXT

[NBASTATMAN]

"force things"...Oh Gawd:facepalm


Do you have a tv? Cuz the Lakers were up by 15 or so and he helped make things interesting by trying to take over a game that was pretty much decided

[Colby Brian]

March 22, 1986...

8 pts on 4-13 shooting.

everybody has off nights

[Mrofir]

Did you know that Michael "90's Cupcake" Jordan shot a PATHETIC 5 of 19

in the Finals vs the Seattle Super Sonics?

He also shot 6 of 19 in another game in that

series. In other playoff games MJ was 3 for 18, 8 of 24, 7 of 23,

and

A PATHETIC 9 OF 35!!!

WHAT A JOKE!!!

Michael "Shirley Temple" Jordan= 90's Cabbage Patch
KB24= G.O.A.T.

Umm one time one time Jordan missed a shot, and then he played bad D on the next possession!



WHAT A JOKE!!!

KOBE FOREVA


wow it even feels stupid.. sorry just experimenting.


Kobe stans can't admit he played bad tonight, which prevents us from even glimpsing the bigger issue... the one the Kobe stans REALLY don't want to talk about.. the fact that these games are popping up more... and more....... and more

utttttt

ohhhhhhhhh

[jlauber]

I couldn't find his shooting numbers, but MJ had a 15 point playoff game in the '89 playoffs against the Knicks on May 11...in a 114-97 loss.

http://www.michaeljordansworld.com/gamebygame/gamelog19881989.htm

[whoartthou]

Do you have a tv? Cuz the Lakers were up by 15 or so and he helped make things interesting by trying to take over a game that was pretty much decided

he did that because he wanted to pad his stats...

[Colby Brian]

Do you have a tv? Cuz the Lakers were up by 15 or so and he helped make things interesting by trying to take over a game that was pretty much decided

actually it was like an 8 or 7 point lead, still not decided

[jlauber]

everybody has off nights

I'm not arguing that. The OP asked if Jordan EVER had a bad game.

[NBASTATMAN]

1 game doesnt define your career


Dude welcome to ISH where whatever happened in tonight's game is all that matters.. If anyone needs to step it up its Gasol

[G-train]

Point of thread is experienced Jordan never had games like this.
So it closes argument that Kobe > scorer than Jordan at similar age.
He shut down guys yet would always get 25-30. Always.
Reason?
I's say less reliance on long range shooting, and more post play which is more consistent and draws more fouls.

[G-train]

I'm not arguing that. The OP asked if Jordan EVER had a bad game.

No I DID NOT.
I said Jordan at a similar age to Kobe.

[NBASTATMAN]

actually it was like an 8 or 7 point lead, still not decided


Go check the play by plays the Lakers were up by 13

[jlauber]

Point of thread is experienced Jordan never had games like this.
So it closes argument that Kobe > scorer than Jordan at similar age.
He shit down guys yet would always get 25-30. Always.
Reason?

I's say less reliance on long range shooting, and more post play which is more consistent and draws more fouls.

Because overall, MJ was a better player. It doesn't mean he didn't have his share of poor games, though.

[NBASTATMAN]

he did that because he wanted to pad his stats...


totally agree..

[quick96]

in that "pathetic" 9 of 35, his second reliable star player was not in the game majority of the time.. He also made majority of the points in the 4th AND THE CLUTCH STEAL/SHOT TO CLOSE THE GAME.

Your boy kobe has more bad games than the whole top 10 GOAT combined.

U MAD BRAH

Why would I be mad if Kobe "the G.O.A.T." Bryant and my Los Angeles Lakers just beat down the New Orleans Hornets?

Why would I be mad if Kobe "the G.O.A.T." Bryant is only 32 and is on his way to 6th his Championship ring?

Why would I be mad if Kobe "the G.O.A.T." Bryant is about to award the city of Los Angeles and it's great fans it's 16th NBA Championship?

U MAD BRAH?

HA!

[jlauber]

No I DID NOT.
I said Jordan at a similar age to Kobe.

At age 32, check out MJ's Finals...

http://webuns.chez-alice.fr/finals/1996.htm

[Colby Brian]

Dude welcome to ISH where whatever happened in tonight's game is all that matters.. If anyone needs to step it up its Gasol

2/9
2/10

this guy is a pf/c, he doesnt take 3s or anything

i dont think pau will have a third straight bad game, hell step it up

[AlphaWolf24]

Point of thread is experienced Jordan never had games like this.
So it closes argument that Kobe > scorer than Jordan at similar age.
He shut down guys yet would always get 25-30. Always.
Reason?
I's say less reliance on long range shooting, and more post play which is more consistent and draws more fouls.


:facepalm

[amfirst]

.... at a similar age?

Just wondering. I don't recall any. He might have though.
Many posters around here think Kobe is a better scorer than Jordan was at the same age but I seem to doubt it based on these occasional terrible games he throws in. I just think that any Bulls Jordan would have dropped 40 ppg against these Hornets.

Not trolling, just thinking about Mike's amazing scoring abilities against what many deem to be a more difficult era.

Why does Kobe need to score? Hornets were obviously double and triple teaming him. He did what was best for the team pass it to capable players like Odom and Bynum who could play one on one. This will enable them for a higher shooting percentage than shooting over three guys.

So long as Kobe is on the floor they won't be able to double Bynum or Odom because they would leave Gasol or Kobe open. Therefore, Bynum and Odom will need to keep it up for them to win this series and finals.

[Colby Brian]

when kobe has a good game all the haters will disapear its funny, always happens

[AlphaWolf24]

Do you have a tv? Cuz the Lakers were up by 15 or so and he helped make things interesting by trying to take over a game that was pretty much decided


Oh Lawd...:facepalm ......Crunchtime Give Kobe the Ball and and GTFO.....since 2000.

7 NBA Finals in 10 years.....and you here talking about forcing and taking things...please spare us the keyboard coaching.

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

when kobe has a good game all the haters will disapear its funny, always happens

no they'll just call him a chucker when he scores a lot/well

[jlauber]

when kobe has a good game all the haters will disapear its funny, always happens


If only. His haters wil ALWAYS revert back to one of his poor games. He could go on a run with a string of 50+ point games...and yet, all they will bring up is his 6-24 game seven last year.

[Colby Brian]

no they'll just call him a chucker when he scores a lot/well

or when he takes 10 shots like today, he had a horrible game

[jlauber]

or when he takes 10 shots like today, he had a horrible game

Yep...they will say, "look, Kobe can't score anymore."

[NBASTATMAN]

or when he takes 10 shots like today, he had a horrible game


Who said he had a horrible game? He did force things late in the game but besides that he let his teammates win the game.. Nothing bad about that.. Pau stunk it up though...

[Kurosawa0]

I actually don't think Kobe was bad tonight. He defended Paul and let the offense run through Bynum and it worked.

Still, you can't go and bash LeBron for shooting 4-14 against Philly in Game 1 and then stay silent when Kobe shoots 3-10 here. Unless you're a total and complete hypocrite.

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

Yep...they will say, "look, Kobe can't score anymore."

this...then the "getting carried by his teammates" non-sense

when he plays well and his team plays poorly he's selfish, egotistical, a ball-hog, and stupid....

but when they play well and he doesn't have to put up big numbers then he "gets carried/bailed out by his teammates all the time"

[jlauber]

this...then the "getting carried by his teammates" non-sense

when he plays well and his team plays poorly he's selfish, egotistical, a ball-hog, and stupid....

but when they play well and he doesn't have to put up big numbers then he "gets carried/bailed out by his teammates all the time"

:cheers:

[AlphaWolf24]

If only. His haters wil ALWAYS revert back to one of his poor games. He could go on a run with a string of 50+ point games...and yet, all they will bring up is his 6-24 game seven last year.


9 straight 40 point games = meh.....

81 points = who gives a ****?....it was against the Raptors..any good/above average scorer could do that..If HE WANTED TOO.

62 in 3quarters = so....look at his FG% it was 1.2% below _______________(Fill in Random Jordan game)

5 Championships - He was Lucky to have super duper teamates that no one else has or had in the History of Basketball.

[OldSchoolBBall]

Kobe fans in active defense mode. :oldlol:

[ImmortalD24]

Kobe fans in active defense mode. :oldlol: :oldlol:

[dillondavis]

Ok fine kobes playing not up to par but if u ask any real laker fan they'll tell you Who cares just win. But then Kobe stans will say but but but pau was 3-8 and Kobe had 34 or laker homers will say yeah but but but we r back to back champs. a win is a win a ring is a ring a loss is a loss.

We are all fan of a game who love boasting it's where the fun is I bust my buddy chops all the time cuz they ain't laker fans and they get the 5X alot but it's all in love of the sport

[winwin]

MJ stans/kobe haters feeling insecure? .. again :confusedshrug:

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

Kobe fans in active defense mode. :oldlol:

No it's just people get tired of bullshit being spewed in the forum regardless of who it's against

[DMAVS41]

No it's just people get tired of bullshit being spewed in the forum regardless of who it's against

Yep.

It would be a lot better if fan groups could just admit when their guy plays poorly.

Might defuse everything.

I'll start:

Dirk has not played well so far in this series overall. He's been ice cold shooting and hasn't defended well. he's getting pushed around a bit as well. Luckily for him, he's had a couple teammates step up and carry the load and keep the games close so Dirk has had a chance to close out games....and Dirk has taken full advantage of with 2 great 4th qtrs.

Aldridge has been the best player in the series though and the mavs being up 2-0 has more to do with the Mavs as a team rather than Dirk.

Why is this so hard? Why can't we just admit when certain players play poorly?

[Batz]

Yep.

It would be a lot better if fan groups could just admit when their guy plays poorly.

Might defuse everything.

I'll start:

Dirk has not played well so far in this series overall. He's been ice cold shooting and hasn't defended well. he's getting pushed around a bit as well. Luckily for him, he's had a couple teammates step up and carry the load and keep the games close so Dirk has had a chance to close out games....and Dirk has taken full advantage of with 2 great 4th qtrs.

Aldridge has been the best player in the series though and the mavs being up 2-0 has more to do with the Mavs as a team rather than Dirk.

Why is this so hard? Why can't we just admit when certain players play poorly?
Well no ones gives a shit about Dirk. Unless it has something to do with the Lakers.

[DMAVS41]

Well no ones gives a shit about Dirk. Unless it has something to do with the Lakers.

Yet a number of Lakers fans show up in every Mavs game thread talking about how much of a choker Dirk is and how Gasol is better.

Nobody would give a shit about any of this stuff if people could just ****ing admit when certain players play like crap.

Its not hard.

[talkingconch]

has jordan ever token 10 shots or less in the playoffs?

how many points did kobe have in game 1?

This,

now close this ****ing thread, you expect kobe to be god in every game

[sh0wtime]

I dont recall it, at least not as much as Kobe did, if Jordan at that similar age to Kobe was held to only 11 points that means he missed like up to 30 shots or was injured or something like that.

[Leviathon1121]

What a stupid thread. I find it hard to believe that someone can't take 5 minutes and look this information up themselves, not that I believe they even cared in the first place really.

[DuMa]

Jordan would never get shut down by the likes of Trevor Ariza

[quick96]

Umm one time one time Jordan missed a shot, and then he played bad D on the next possession!



WHAT A JOKE!!!

KOBE FOREVA


wow it even feels stupid.. sorry just experimenting.


Kobe stans can't admit he played bad tonight, which prevents us from even glimpsing the bigger issue... the one the Kobe stans REALLY don't want to talk about.. the fact that these games are popping up more... and more....... and more

utttttt

ohhhhhhhhh

PATHETIC!

:roll:

You had me at the "what a joke part".

Did you know that Pau Gasol is shooting 21 percent (4-for-19) in the series after a 2-for-10 performance in last nights game? Did you know that KB24 after an off night STILL managed to will the Lakers to a game two victory?

The only thing happening more often are the CHAMPIONSHIP PARADES in downtown l.a.... little one.

HA!

[24r2]

this is what seperates kobe from lebron, lebron would never take 10FGA in a game even if it means winning

[Christofire]

Yet a number of Lakers fans show up in every Mavs game thread talking about how much of a choker Dirk is and how Gasol is better.

Nobody would give a shit about any of this stuff if people could just ****ing admit when certain players play like crap.

Its not hard.
Gasol aint better than Dirk

[kaiiu]

this is what seperates kobe from lebron, lebron would never take 10FGA in a game even if it means winning
Agree. Gotta have his stats

[Christofire]

shut down?....Come did anyone watching this game seriously think Kobe was trying to get his shot?.....I thought the haters would actually give him credit for the unselfish play. Guess it doesn't matter when it comes to Kobe. If he has a good game you'd say he didnt involve teammates, if he steps back and gets his teammates into the game you say he played poorly and that his team carried him.

[SwayDizzle]

shut down?....Come did anyone watching this game seriously think Kobe was trying to get his shot?.....I thought the haters would actually give him credit for the unselfish play. Guess it doesn't matter when it comes to Kobe. If he has a good game you'd say he didnt involve teammates, if he steps back and gets his teammates into the game you say he played poorly and that his team carried him.
I've got to say, it was quite impressive to watch Kobe play the ball he did last game. He is maturing well. Overall, the Lakers made the right adjustments.

[CanadaBBallFan]

I mean...he had a bad game, so it means he quit right?

[Calabis]

Isn't MJ the only player to take 35+ shots and fail to score 30 pts??:lol :lol :lol

Doesn't Kobe own a couple of the worst shooting nights in NBA history:roll:

[tpols]

Did anyone watch the game last night? Kobe realized gasol and bynum weren't getting enough touches and he wanted to incorporate them into the rythym of the game. Everytime kobe had the ball on the perimeter, he'd toss it down ot one of them on the block. And gasol was still being passive.. I remember one play when kobe threw him the ball with 10 on the clock, gasol caught it and threw it back to kobe with 7 on the clock forcing kobe to take 2 dribbles and take a long contested fadeaway.

I mean, if kobe passes the ball around a lot and gets everyone involved like he did last night he did a good job. When everyone gets their touches on the court, they feel more invested in the game and become more motivated to win. I honestly hope kobe plays like this for the rest of the series except he should still look for his own opportunities when they arise within the offense.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Yeah but he always did other things on the court; rack up assists, go the boards, and defend.

I was impressed with Kobe's D last night, but lets not act like he was defending CP3 every possession.

[Calabis]

Did you know that Michael "90's Cupcake" Jordan shot a PATHETIC 5 of 19

in the Finals vs the Seattle Super Sonics?

He also shot 6 of 19 in another game in that

series. In other playoff games MJ was 3 for 18, 8 of 24, 7 of 23,

and

A PATHETIC 9 OF 35!!!

WHAT A JOKE!!!

Michael "Shirley Temple" Jordan= 90's Cabbage Patch
KB24= G.O.A.T.

Didn't they already ban u'r other account :facepalm

Did you know that Kobe "Choke a *****" Bryant(during his rape interview he said that was his thing:roll: ) is shooting 38-108 .352% in 5 title clinching games. Did you know Kobe "RuPaul" Bryant is shooting .410% in his finals career. Did you know that Kobe "I beat up people for making fun of gays" Bryant is shooting 37-97 .350% in game 7s

Did you know Kobe"Twinkle Toes" Bryant has 937 pts and 475 misses in 37 finals games, His IDOL has 1,176 pts and 473 misses in 35 games why does Kobe "Liberace" Bryant have more misses,yet 239 fewer points in the nba finals?... Playoffs: Kobe "Versace" Bryant- 5052 pts in 7811 minutes his IDOL- 5987 pts in 7474 minutes

Did u know his IDOL's 2nd 3peat as a old man is better than Kobe's career 31pts, 42%FG, 31%3pt, 4.2 rebs, 4.1ast

What's that Kobe "Come on man, u'r talking about the greatest to ever play", oh ok, my bad, its not u, it's u'r retarded fans

[Da_Realist]

Yeah but he always did other things on the court; rack up assists, go the boards, and defend.

I was impressed with Kobe's D last night, but lets not act like he was defending CP3 every possession.

Not exactly this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0lx-Is3dnE), but he did ok.

[Calabis]

Did anyone watch the game last night? Kobe realized gasol and bynum weren't getting enough touches and he wanted to incorporate them into the rythym of the game. Everytime kobe had the ball on the perimeter, he'd toss it down ot one of them on the block. And gasol was still being passive.. I remember one play when kobe threw him the ball with 10 on the clock, gasol caught it and threw it back to kobe with 7 on the clock forcing kobe to take 2 dribbles and take a long contested fadeaway.

I mean, if kobe passes the ball around a lot and gets everyone involved like he did last night he did a good job. When everyone gets their touches on the court, they feel more invested in the game and become more motivated to win. I honestly hope kobe plays like this for the rest of the series except he should still look for his own opportunities when they arise within the offense.

I don't think he played a god awful game, I thought he tried to incorporate his teammates and focus his energy on defense. He knows that the bigs have the advantage and he is going to be more valuable on defense than offense in this series

BUT,....................................Guess that kills the STANS theory about his garbage teammates

[glidedrxlr22]

Didn't they already ban u'r other account :facepalm

Did you know that Kobe "Choke a *****" Bryant(during his rape interview he said that was his thing:roll: ) is shooting 38-108 .352% in 5 title clinching games. Did you know Kobe "RuPaul" Bryant is shooting .410% in his finals career. Did you know that Kobe "I beat up people for making fun of gays" Bryant is shooting 37-97 .350% in game 7s

Did you know Kobe"Twinkle Toes" Bryant has 937 pts and 475 misses in 37 finals games, His IDOL has 1,176 pts and 473 misses in 35 games why does Kobe "Liberace" Bryant have more misses,yet 239 fewer points in the nba finals?... Playoffs: Kobe "Versace" Bryant- 5052 pts in 7811 minutes his IDOL- 5987 pts in 7474 minutes

Did u know his IDOL's 2nd 3peat as a old man is better than Kobe's career 31pts, 42%FG, 31%3pt, 4.2 rebs, 4.1ast

What's that Kobe "Come on man, u'r talking about the greatest to ever play", oh ok, my bad, its not u, it's u'r retarded fans

Nice! :applause: Phantom repped!

[Da_Realist]

Didn't they already ban u'r other account :facepalm

Did you know that Kobe "Choke a *****" Bryant(during his rape interview he said that was his thing:roll: ) is shooting 38-108 .352% in 5 title clinching games. Did you know Kobe "RuPaul" Bryant is shooting .410% in his finals career. Did you know that Kobe "I beat up people for making fun of gays" Bryant is shooting 37-97 .350% in game 7s

Did you know Kobe"Twinkle Toes" Bryant has 937 pts and 475 misses in 37 finals games, His IDOL has 1,176 pts and 473 misses in 35 games why does Kobe "Liberace" Bryant have more misses,yet 239 fewer points in the nba finals?... Playoffs: Kobe "Versace" Bryant- 5052 pts in 7811 minutes his IDOL- 5987 pts in 7474 minutes

Did u know his IDOL's 2nd 3peat as a old man is better than Kobe's career 31pts, 42%FG, 31%3pt, 4.2 rebs, 4.1ast

What's that Kobe "Come on man, u'r talking about the greatest to ever play", oh ok, my bad, its not u, it's u'r retarded fans

I see what you did there :roll:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Not exactly this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0lx-Is3dnE), but he did ok.

:bowdown:

You have some of the best footage of Jordan on the net. Awesome stuff man.

Not really relevant to game Kobe had, but this is my favorite defensive compilation of Jordan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4gigN2zMU4

No other player impacted the game on both ends to the degree Mike did it in. Nobody.

[Da_Realist]

:bowdown:

You have some of the best footage of Jordan on the net. Awesome stuff man.

Not really relevant to game Kobe had, but this is my favorite defensive compilation of Jordan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4gigN2zMU4

No other player impacted the game on both ends to the degree Mike did it in. Nobody.

Thanks, man. Appreciate that :cheers:

[Notorious D.M.C]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Kobe did not stop anyone.

So i guess 20/9/4 1 tov on 11 fgs and 50 fg % is stopping? lOL

CP3 was pretty much ineffective. Yeah he ended up with 20 points but how effective really were those points. 6 of those points came on buzzer beaters. really. Just Stop

[Calabis]

Not exactly this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0lx-Is3dnE), but he did ok.

Thanks for taking the time to make vids disproving these stans theory's

its like this guys vids (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWvxijHNWB4)...only guy u seen remotely close to doing these type of things is their hero Kobe....they consider him GOAT, then turn around and say Jordan would be just another perimeter player in todays league...:roll:

[rodman91]

How many legendary games Kobe have in playoffs? A lot of legendary players have historical games but I don't remember if Kobe had a game to remembered for decades.

I find it weird.He has been 15 years and he was almost always in playoffs. He played a lot of games in playoffs. He has been 7 time in finals.

[lakerspng]

If you don't think Kobe has legendary games, then you have not been watching much basketball over the last 15 years.

He's pretty much tortured every team in the Western Conference and sent them home packing with 30-40 point averages.

Has he had a 50+ game in the finals? No. But he's demolished every team in the west for well over a decade.

[heyhey]

How many legendary games Kobe have in playoffs? A lot of legendary players have historical games but I don't remember if Kobe had a game to remembered for decades.

I find it weird.He has been 15 years and he was almost always in playoffs. He played a lot of games in playoffs. He has been 7 time in finals.

do you even watch basketball or is your memory just shietty?

[thelucifer69]

1/3rd of his career he played on Losing /sub .500 teams..@32 years old he was playing baseball and choking vs Orlando....


INB4 MJ never played bad or got his shot blocked:lol
Bulls 1995: 30-31 = Before MJ; 17-4 After MJ.
He's 72/151 FG = 0,476 %FG , 31.5 PPG In That Series VS Orlando.
What Is Your Point!?

[AlphaWolf24]

How many legendary games Kobe have in playoffs? A lot of legendary players have historical games but I don't remember if Kobe had a game to remembered for decades.

I find it weird.He has been 15 years and he was almost always in playoffs. He played a lot of games in playoffs. He has been 7 time in finals.

The one that started it all.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=383sFr1IkcI&feature=channel_video_title:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:


oh and one of my Fav's...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyfR2pDOt3k(at the 6:40 mark = GOAT play and Shaq and Ron Face = Dirty) in the REAL NBA Finals....

[caliman]

How many legendary games Kobe have in playoffs? A lot of legendary players have historical games but I don't remember if Kobe had a game to remembered for decades.

I find it weird.He has been 15 years and he was almost always in playoffs. He played a lot of games in playoffs. He has been 7 time in finals.


Are you serious? How about you go check out Game 4 2001 2md round against Sacramento? After go watch the first 2 Games of the 2001 WCF's. I have more if you need them.

[AlphaWolf24]

Bulls 1995: 30-31 = Before MJ; 17-4 After MJ.
He's 72/151 FG = 0,476 %FG , 31.5 PPG In That Series VS Orlando.
What Is Your Point!?


The Bull's in 1995 BEFORE MJ won 10 outta 11 games and were getting warmed up for the playoff's..Mj came back and made them worse.

they did better in 1994 without MJ....

[Allstar24]

.... at a similar age?

Just wondering. I don't recall any. He might have though.
Many posters around here think Kobe is a better scorer than Jordan was at the same age but I seem to doubt it based on these occasional terrible games he throws in. I just think that any Bulls Jordan would have dropped 40 ppg against these Hornets.

Not trolling, just thinking about Mike's amazing scoring abilities against what many deem to be a more difficult era.
Nice trolling.

It's just the first round, relax. Kobe's not going anywhere. If he wanted, he could have taken more than 10 shots and gotten 34 points like he did in Game 1. But he wanted to prove a point and play team basketball. I have no doubt in my mind he'll continue having big scoring games in these playoffs. It all depends on what kind of a game he wants to have.

[Cangri]

At that age Jordan was besting on defense and offense at the same time, the guy had unbelievable stamina. He hardly had a bad game around that age in the playoffs.

[branslowski]

Thread Review.


Jordan fans and Kobe haters are dumb.

"Did Jordan ever have games like Kobe did tonight?"...


That was the question...

So, poster finds shitty Jordan games, low fg count and attempt count on shitty fg% (4-13, Jordan).....So, thread answered.

Then, Haters turn it to a "Who's better" thread....When in actuality, no one said Kobe was better....Also, we know Jordan has had better playoffs than Kobe, more clutch, exc.....He's been better than damn near every player in NBA history, not just Kobe...

Why are you ppl so retarded?

Please explain...

[Poochymama]

Thread Review.


Jordan fans and Kobe haters are dumb.

"Did Jordan ever have games like Kobe did tonight?"...


That was the question...

So, poster finds shitty Jordan games, low fg count and attempt count on shitty fg% (4-13, Jordan).....So, thread answered.

Then, Haters turn it to a "Who's better" thread....When in actuality, no one said Kobe was better....Also, we know Jordan has had better playoffs than Kobe, more clutch, exc.....He's been better than damn near every player in NBA history, not just Kobe...

Why are you ppl so retarded?

Please explain...
:applause: :applause: :applause:

[AlphaWolf24]

Thread Review.


Jordan fans and Kobe haters are dumb.

"Did Jordan ever have games like Kobe did tonight?"...


That was the question...

So, poster finds shitty Jordan games, low fg count and attempt count on shitty fg% (4-13, Jordan).....So, thread answered.

Then, Haters turn it to a "Who's better" thread....When in actuality, no one said Kobe was better....Also, we know Jordan has had better playoffs than Kobe, more clutch, exc.....He's been better than damn near every player in NBA history, not just Kobe...

Why are you ppl so retarded?

Please explain...


Most people/Jordan stans barely watched him(MJ) play(outside youtube highlights).....very few people here watched his whole career.

He was one of if not the Best Ever....but he had tons of shitty games and Failed many many times.


But we remember him on his ability to continue to keep trying to win....rather then his failures.

[rodman91]

I ment like Magic's,Jordan's,Erving's games...

I remember the games you have told,but thats not what i ment. Every superstar had great games in playoffs but they are not remembered.For example Jordan's most of playoff games were great but i ment games like Magic starting as Center and took over the game against Sixers,Jordan's last game in finals against Jazz ,63 against Celtics and games like these.

Having great games WCF is quite normal for a high level player.Almost every great players have such games.

To explain better, Jordan had many 50 point games in playoffs but none of them beat his last shot against Jazz.

Iverson had great games in playoffs but probably only one remembered will be the one he stepped on Tyron Lue and defeating juggernaut Lakers. You know what im saying?

[lakerspng]

every player who ever picked up a basketball has had bad games.

That being said, Kobe's game last night was not bad. His intent was to get the others players on his team involved and to play defense on Chris Paul. The results of last night's game was, the Lakers front line played much better offensively, as did the Lakers team as a whole and Chris Paul's effectiveness was greatly limited. I would say Kobe had a successful game and helped his team achieve what they needed, a win.

[branslowski]

Most people/Jordan stans barely watched him(MJ) play(outside youtube highlights).....very few people here watched his whole career.

He was one of if not the Best Ever....but he had tons of shitty games and Failed many many times.


But we remember him on his ability to continue to keep trying to win....rather then his failures.

Agreed.

Moral of the story.....Every player has bad games....And, Just answer the f*cking thread question, discuss it, move on...

[lakerspng]

I ment like Magic's,Jordan's,Erving's games...

I remember the games you have told,but thats not what i ment. Every superstar had great games in playoffs but they are not remembered.For example Jordan's most of playoff games were great but i ment games like Magic starting as Center and took over the game against Sixers,Jordan's last game in finals against Jazz ,63 against Celtics and games like these.

Having great games WCF is quite normal for a high level player.Almost every great players have such games.

To explain better, Jordan had many 50 point games in playoffs but none of them beat his last shot against Jazz.

Iverson had great games in playoffs but probably only one remembered will be the one he stepped on Tyron Lue and defeating juggernaut Lakers. You know what im saying?

So Kobe taking over the game and winning in Indiana in the Finals, with Shaq fouled out, in Overtime to steal back the lead and momentum in the series was not memorable?

Kobe's had a number of memorable performances. I don't have time to list them.

And no, not every superstar has had great performances in the WCF. Kobe's performances in the western conference playoffs are some of the greatest in its history.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Every player has bad games, but Kobe's are more memorable because he has them more often. Guy is the King of inconsistency.

[rodman91]

Meh at best. Only precious for Kobe or Lakers..

I wouldn't mention that if i knew you are too uptight.

[Kingwillball]

this is in fact trolling.

I hate the Lakers but it was obvious Kobe was going to spend his energy stopping CP3. They got the win so who gives a fock about how much he's scored


All is fair in Love and War..If Lebron scores 11 points and was in single digits til the final few minutes there would be Laker Trolls calling him out and making a post about it no question.

[scm5]

For people who just look at the box score, it's easy to say Kobe had a horrible game. For those of us that watched the game, it looked like he was just following the game plan.

[OldSchoolBBall]

Whether or not Jordan ever had a playoff game as poor as the one Kobe just had offensively is one thing. But what I can tell you is that Jordan NEVER looked like a complete spectator out there the way Kobe did. Even when his shot wasn't falling or when his teammates were playing well and he stepped back more, he was always IN the game, making things happen, being active. You never watched a Bulls game and said to yourself "man, where's Jordan been?" or "man, MJ is having zero impact tonight."

Whether a player is looking for his shot, or whether his shot is falling or not, is not the same thing as what I'm talking about. You never saw the Bulls go on runs the entire game, and play basically the entire game, without MJ playing some sort of central role, whether it was defensively, facilitating, rebounding, or scoring. Kobe was basically invisible this game save for some nice pieces of defense on individual possessions in the first quarter on CP3 (whom PJax switched him off of for some reason after just a few minutes). Big difference between what happened last night and simply a poor game offensively.

[LA_Showtime]

Kobe didn't play a terrible game last night, save for the last three minutes of the game. He was basically invisible.

Gasol on the other hand played horrible. His confidence looked shot at one point.

[jlip]

Bulls 1995: 30-31 = Before MJ; 17-4 After MJ.
He's 72/151 FG = 0,476 %FG , 31.5 PPG In That Series VS Orlando.
What Is Your Point!?

I have lived through the careers of both Kobe and MJ and am not particularly a fan of either. So I don't really have a dog in this fight, but I do respect both of their greatness. Anyways I have to say that your info here is completely false. MJ only played 17 games in 1995. You have the team going 17-4. That would mean he played 21 games. They were 13-4 in those games.

Also, they were not 30-31 when he returned. They were 34-31 having won 8of their last 10 before he returned after suffering many injuries and losses to their frontcourt early in the season.

[Da_Realist]

Whether or not Jordan ever had a playoff game as poor as the one Kobe just had offensively is one thing. But what I can tell you is that Jordan NEVER looked like a complete spectator out there the way Kobe did. Even when his shot wasn't falling or when his teammates were playing well and he stepped back more, he was always IN the game, making things happen, being active. You never watched a Bulls game and said to yourself "man, where's Jordan been?" or "man, MJ is having zero impact tonight."

Whether a player is looking for his shot, or whether his shot is falling or not, is not the same thing as what I'm talking about. You never saw the Bulls go on runs the entire game, and play basically the entire game, without MJ playing some sort of central role, whether it was defensively, facilitating, rebounding, or scoring. Kobe was basically invisible this game save for some nice pieces of defense on individual possessions in the first quarter on CP3 (whom PJax switched him off of for some reason after just a few minutes). Big difference between what happened last night and simply a poor game offensively.

True. But...


Kobe was basically invisible this game save for some nice pieces of defense on individual possessions in the first quarter on CP3 (whom PJax switched him off of for some reason after just a few minutes). Big difference between what happened last night and simply a poor game offensively.

That's cause he was getting burned by CP3 early on. Dude was getting to the lane at will and even drew a foul or two on him.

[OldSchoolBBall]

True. But...



That's cause he was getting burned by CP3 early on. Dude was getting to the lane at will and even drew a foul or two on him.

True, CP3 did roast him consistently. I was more referring to the energy he was expending, not the results.

[The Iron Fist]

At age 32, check out MJ's Finals...

http://webuns.chez-alice.fr/finals/1996.htm


Interesting, Jordan shot 41% in the finals.

[The Iron Fist]

Who said he had a horrible game? He did force things late in the game but besides that he let his teammates win the game.. Nothing bad about that.. Pau stunk it up though...


Isn't that what you guys have been asking him to do for the last 14 years?

Play smart basketball?

[The Iron Fist]

How many legendary games Kobe have in playoffs? A lot of legendary players have historical games but I don't remember if Kobe had a game to remembered for decades.

I find it weird.He has been 15 years and he was almost always in playoffs. He played a lot of games in playoffs. He has been 7 time in finals.


48 points, 16 rebounds isn't memorable?

[LA_Showtime]

How many legendary games Kobe have in playoffs? A lot of legendary players have historical games but I don't remember if Kobe had a game to remembered for decades.

I find it weird.He has been 15 years and he was almost always in playoffs. He played a lot of games in playoffs. He has been 7 time in finals.

Kobe has plenty of legendary playoff games. Where he falls short are memorable Finals games.

[The Iron Fist]

I ment like Magic's,Jordan's,Erving's games...

I remember the games you have told,but thats not what i ment. Every superstar had great games in playoffs but they are not remembered.For example Jordan's most of playoff games were great but i ment games like Magic starting as Center and took over the game against Sixers,Jordan's last game in finals against Jazz ,63 against Celtics and games like these.

Having great games WCF is quite normal for a high level player.Almost every great players have such games.

To explain better, Jordan had many 50 point games in playoffs but none of them beat his last shot against Jazz.

Iverson had great games in playoffs but probably only one remembered will be the one he stepped on Tyron Lue and defeating juggernaut Lakers. You know what im saying?



So, because you don't remember them,

none of us do?
:roll:

[necya]

At age 32, check out MJ's Finals...

http://webuns.chez-alice.fr/finals/1996.htm

33yo...
need to remember the bulls led 3-0 the series, would you be the type of player trying to score a lot when your team work is just enough to blow your opponent? he did not try to take over alone with individual plays. the series was over after 3 games.

i see what you want to do, you are not an objective poster, you bad liver.

it's not like thos kids who talk shit because they have no clue what's happening at this time. but i think you have followed the nba in 96 and i find it even more sad to talk this way when you have the knowledges.

[necya]

Whether or not Jordan ever had a playoff game as poor as the one Kobe just had offensively is one thing. But what I can tell you is that Jordan NEVER looked like a complete spectator out there the way Kobe did. Even when his shot wasn't falling or when his teammates were playing well and he stepped back more, he was always IN the game, making things happen, being active. You never watched a Bulls game and said to yourself "man, where's Jordan been?" or "man, MJ is having zero impact tonight."

Whether a player is looking for his shot, or whether his shot is falling or not, is not the same thing as what I'm talking about. You never saw the Bulls go on runs the entire game, and play basically the entire game, without MJ playing some sort of central role, whether it was defensively, facilitating, rebounding, or scoring. Kobe was basically invisible this game save for some nice pieces of defense on individual possessions in the first quarter on CP3 (whom PJax switched him off of for some reason after just a few minutes). Big difference between what happened last night and simply a poor game offensively.


very good post, this is the most interesting part of the game, every things who happens between the rebound and the basket, and i wish we could talk about that more often and forget those stupid statistics. MJ was implied in all aspects/actions of the game. he did make mistakes like everyone, but the best to erase its.

[OldSchoolBBall]

Interesting, Jordan shot 41% in the finals.

And his team excluding him shot 41% as well. Jordan shot as well or better than his 2nd-4th options (Pippen 34%, Kerr 30%, Kukoc 41%, Harper 37%) despite scoring far higher volume and seeing the lion's share of the defensive attention. Contrast this with Kobe who, in every single one of his poor shooting series, has shot WORSE (often SIGNIFICANTLY worse) than his team did excluding him, and worse than his second and third options did. Big difference there.

I also have to lol @ jlauber (and you, for citing it again) trying to act like the '96 Sonics - one of the 15-20 best defensive teams of all time - are equivalent to the '10 Hornets. Wow. :oldlol:

[The Iron Fist]

And his team excluding him shot 41% as well. Jordan shot as well or better than his 2nd-4th options (Pippen 34%, Kerr 30%, Kukoc 41%, Harper 37%) despite scoring far higher volume and seeing the lion's share of the defensive attention. Contrast this with Kobe who, in every single one of his poor shooting series, has shot WORSE (often SIGNIFICANTLY worse) than his team did excluding him, and worse than his second and third options did. Big difference there.

I also have to lol @ jlauber (and you, for citing it again) trying to act like the '96 Sonics - one of the 15-20 best defensive teams of all time - are equivalent to the '10 Hornets. Wow. :oldlol:


Did Jordan ever have games like Kobe did tonight?

The question was answered.

Yes.

[Da_Realist]

very good post, this is the most interesting part of the game, every things who happens between the rebound and the basket, and i wish we could talk about that more often and forget those stupid statistics. MJ was implied in all aspects/actions of the game. he did make mistakes like everyone, but the best to erase its.

Me, too :cheers:

[andgar923]

This was a stupid thread from the get go.

YES MJ has had bad games in the playoffs, that's no secret.

But it was MJ's overall consistency of stepping up his performance in the playoffs that made him great.

But like some already mentioned.....

Do we really want to compare their bad playoff performances?


I think this is a case in which Kobe clearly beats MJ.

[97 bulls]

This was a stupid thread from the get go.

YES MJ has had bad games in the playoffs, that's no secret.

But it was MJ's overall consistency of stepping up his performance in the playoffs that made him great.

But like some already mentioned.....

Do we really want to compare their bad playoff performances?


I think this is a case in which Kobe clearly beats MJ.
I agree this was a dumb thread. Jordan fans have never said jordan didn't have bad games.

As far as kobes performance. People must ralize that its really hard to spend a high amount of energy on defense fighting through screens and picks, and still be a high efficiency scorer. Right when I saw kobe on paul I knew he wasn't gonna do much offensively. He's not that kind of player.

[talkingconch]

This was a stupid thread from the get go.

YES MJ has had bad games in the playoffs, that's no secret.

But it was MJ's overall consistency of stepping up his performance in the playoffs that made him great.

But like some already mentioned.....

Do we really want to compare their bad playoff performances?


I think this is a case in which Kobe clearly beats MJ.

this

[97 bulls]

Just another thought, how insecure do you have to be, to have to try to justify a bad offensive night from bryant by aluding to bad offensive nights from jordan.

[rodman91]

So, because you don't remember them,

none of us do?
:roll:

Lakers fans remember lakers games.wow.what a big deal.

Anyway clearly you dont understand what i ment. I'm not talking about just great performances.. every great player has them, thats why they are great.But all you come up is just great games.Iverson,Nash,Nowitzki,Lebron,Wade,Amar'e and other star players did that.I remember those games you all mentioned but none of them was iconic level like the ones magic replaced Jabbar in finals or Jordan's one man show against legendary Celtics...

What i'm saying for a great player who has been in playoffs as much does, he doesn't have enough those iconic moments or games.

If we make top 20 iconic moments or performances in all time playoff history, only Kobe fans and maybe some Lakers fans can put those games into that list.We're talking about 14 years of playoffs and 7 finals.We are talking about someone been in finals more than Jordan.

Closest thing he had for such a moment was probably against Suns in game 4.

[Da_Realist]

I agree this was a dumb thread. Jordan fans have never said jordan didn't have bad games.

As far as kobes performance. People must ralize that its really hard to spend a high amount of energy on defense fighting through screens and picks, and still be a high efficiency scorer. Right when I saw kobe on paul I knew he wasn't gonna do much offensively. He's not that kind of player.

Excellent post. I thought the exact same thing when they announced Kobe was going to guard CP3.

[caliman]

I agree this was a dumb thread. Jordan fans have never said jordan didn't have bad games.



The OP, who I presume isnt a Kobe, asked the question under the premise that he couldnt' remember a bad MJ playoff game at a similar age. It was/is trolling at its finest because a minimal amount of research would show that yes, MJ had some stink bombs at a similar age.

[rodman91]

It will be fun if Kobe brings his best next game :oldlol:

[Showtime]

this is in fact trolling.

I hate the Lakers but it was obvious Kobe was going to spend his energy stopping CP3. They got the win so who gives a fock about how much he's scored
WHY DOES KOBE FIND IT IMPOSSIBLE TO PUT IN MAX EFFORT ON TWO ENDS OF THE FLOOR AT THE SAME TIME WHEN PLAYERS HE'S COMPARED TO FIND IT WITHIN THE REALM OF POSSIBILITY TO PERFORM AT A HIGH LEVEL ON BOTH ENDS?

[SkyR#1fanCapCou]

Interesting, Jordan shot 41% in the finals.

Yes he did.

[SkyR#1fanCapCou]

The Bull's in 1995 BEFORE MJ won 10 outta 11 games and were getting warmed up for the playoff's..Mj came back and made them worse.

they did better in 1994 without MJ....

What you meant to say was, "The Bulls in 1995 BEFORE MJ won 34 outta of 55 games....MJ came back and made them better.

13-4 = 62-63 wins over an 82 game season. 62 > 55

[Calabis]

Interesting, Jordan shot 41% in the finals.

Yes he did against Payton, McMillan and Hawkins, in case u didn't know that is a total of 1 DPOY(awarded that season), 11 all team defenses....lucky Jordan was able to play so great in that series, he was able to match Kobe's career percentage in the Finals(Stans talk about bad Jordan was vs Sonics, yet consider Kobe to have Epic Finals performaces shooting worse than Jordan's worst performance)....Jordan is pissed to this day, that he could never match Kobe's 38% and multiple 40% Finals avgs

[SkyR#1fanCapCou]

Yes he did against Payton, McMillan and Hawkins, in case u didn't know that is a total of 1 DPOY(awarded that season), 11 all team defenses....lucky Jordan was able to play so great in that series, he was able to match Kobe's career percentage in the Finals(Stans talk about bad Jordan was vs Sonics, yet consider Kobe to have Epic Finals performaces shooting worse than Jordan's worst performance)....Jordan is pissed to this day, that he could never match Kobe's 38% and multiple 40% Finals avgs

Reason I kept that 41% career shooting% or so out of this was because the topix was about Jordan having games like Kobe did.

I still remember the 2-17 performance Jordan had against Golden State prior to the Bulls @ Lakers game in 1997-98

[DMAVS41]

Not exactly this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0lx-Is3dnE), but he did ok.

Great stuff.

The most under-rated aspect of Jordan's defense was that he basically could not be screened. He was so fast and quick and strong that he could go over the screen and still stay in front.

Best ever at on ball defense. Not even close in my opinion.

[whoartthou]

Great stuff.

The most under-rated aspect of Jordan's defense was that he basically could not be screened. He was so fast and quick and strong that he could go over the screen and still stay in front.

Best ever at on ball defense. Not even close in my opinion.

BUT BUT BUT... kobe uses his fangs to bit off the opponents balls while playing man to man defense

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

WHY DOES KOBE FIND IT IMPOSSIBLE TO PUT IN MAX EFFORT ON TWO ENDS OF THE FLOOR AT THE SAME TIME WHEN PLAYERS HE'S COMPARED TO FIND IT WITHIN THE REALM OF POSSIBILITY TO PERFORM AT A HIGH LEVEL ON BOTH ENDS?

Pauk?

[OldSchoolBBall]

Great stuff.

The most under-rated aspect of Jordan's defense was that he basically could not be screened. He was so fast and quick and strong that he could go over the screen and still stay in front.

Best ever at on ball defense. Not even close in my opinion.

Yeah, Tex Winter notes that about Jordan in one of the MJ books I read, saying that Jordan is too quick to be screened. You can also see this a lot in the '91 Finals when he's guarding Magic in addition to the video posted.

[crosso√er]

Jordan? Again?
Why? Seriously, it's never a Kobe fan creating these threads, it's haters trying to digest their insecurities. I don't know why guys like Loki bother to explain; it's so god damn obvious Jordan is better. There is literally no chance of Kobe surpassing Jordan no matter what he does; Jordan is an icon.

I have no problem with Kobe not being better then Jordan; he is however our best player and we tend to defend him, because you know? It's kind of hard not to when the guy has helped our franchise win five ****ing titles and counting.

It's so tiresome; Kobe in game two did not look to score, so please quit looking at the box scores and make invalid conclusions. He did play sound defense on Paul for most part; he obviously can't stop Chris since the guy is a tremendous talent and is too quick for Kobe, but did he do a better job then 37 year old Fish? Most certainly, him and Blake did a good job.

Just leave the comparison be already guys. It was a discussion maybe in 2008; but Kobe's game has declined and will only decline further. He has never achieved as much as Jordan and never will.

It still doesn't diminish that he's the 2nd greatest SG we've ever seen and probably a top ten player in league history and climbing.

[Showtime]

Jordan? Again?
Why? Seriously, it's never a Kobe fan creating these threads, it's haters trying to digest their insecurities.

LMFAO

Jordan was mentioned already this playoff series by the tv guys. Kobe fans love to bring up his career totals in comparison to Jordan. Nobody would be bringing up Jordan, or any other pantheon NBA player's career if Kobe wasn't constantly compared by the media and his fans.

[pauk]

nope NEVER

NOW PLEASE STOP PLACING KOBES NAME NEXT TO JORDANS PLEASE?

[comerb]

Did Jordan have bad games? Yah.

The difference?

Kobe has a lot more of them, and has them at bad times.

Jordan was a very consistent player, Kobe is streaky as shit. It's also the reason why Kobe has more +50 point games.

When Kobe is on fire, he's probably the best offensive player to ever step on a court. But Jordan was a far more consistent offensive threat, especially in the playoffs.

[jlauber]

And his team excluding him shot 41% as well. Jordan shot as well or better than his 2nd-4th options (Pippen 34%, Kerr 30%, Kukoc 41%, Harper 37%) despite scoring far higher volume and seeing the lion's share of the defensive attention. Contrast this with Kobe who, in every single one of his poor shooting series, has shot WORSE (often SIGNIFICANTLY worse) than his team did excluding him, and worse than his second and third options did. Big difference there.

I also have to lol @ jlauber (and you, for citing it again) trying to act like the '96 Sonics - one of the 15-20 best defensive teams of all time - are equivalent to the '10 Hornets. Wow. :oldlol:

First of all, I mentioned much earlier in this topic that Jordan is a better player than Kobe. But I get sick-and-tired of these posters that honestly believe MJ walked on water.

Secondly, MJ shot .415 in that Finals, .455 in the next one, and .427 in his last one...so it was not like a one-time occurance.

MJ had MANY greater games than Kobe. He also had poor games, too. As did Wilt, Russell, Magic, Kareem, Bird, Shaq, Duncan, and Olajuwon. If someone would have asked if Bird ever had a bad game like Kobe, there would have been 15 posts within five minutes (or less) on this forum.

One more time...Kobe IS a top-10 all-time player. However, he is near the bottom of that group, and very likely will not go much higher. He was never as dominant as Duncan, nor Shaq. And then there is the next level...Russell, MJ, Magic, Wilt, and Kareem...who are the "immortals"...players that make SIGNIFICANT marks on the game.

And, NO, MJ is NOT the clear-cut GOAT, either...despite what the "ESPN Generation" may have you believe. Russell's team's went 27-2 in his 29 post-season series...winning 11 titles in 13 years. He was also the game's greatest defensive player. Magic NEVER came CLOSE to tasting a losing season, and was within a few breaks of going to the Finals EVERY year in the decade of the 80's. And he proved that he could lead average rosters, as the Lakers were by 90-91, to yet another Finals. Kareem played 20 years, and was the best player in the league in the decade of the 70's. He was also a top-5 player for about 16-17 years in the league. He won SIX MVP's, and SIX rings. And NO other player came CLOSE to dominating the NBA like Chamberlain did. He won scoring titles by nearly 20 ppg. He averaged 40 ppg over the course of his first seven seasons...COMBINED. He won ELEVEN rebounding titles. He won NINE FG% titles, and two of them were LIGHT YEARS ahead of any other player whoever played the game. He was surely the greatest shot-blocker in the history of the game. He was arguably in the top 2-3 greatest defensive players to have ever played the game. And he even won an assist title. He holds some 130 NBA records, and many of them will never be approached, much less broken. And contrary to what the uneducated believe, he was a DOMINANT player in the post-season, as well.

MJ has a case, though. He was the game's greatest post-season scorer (although Wilt only played 52 games, of his 160 post-season games, in his "scoring seasons.") But there were other great post-season scorers, as well. Jerry West had a playoff series of 46.4 ppg. He also had a Finals of 38 ppg...as did Shaq. Chamberlain had post-seasons of 37 ppg and 35 ppg, and averaged 33 ppg in his first six post-seasons (his scoring seasons.) And Russell and Wilt are on the other side of the galaxy in comparison to all of the rest of the players who have ever played the game in their post-seasons, in terms of rebounding. Shaq may have had the most dominant post-seasons in NBA history. Olajuwon carried inferior rosters to two titles...as did Duncan. And MJ didn't win anything until he played on loaded rosters in the 90's, in leagues that were watered down. All we need to know is that the 93-94 Bulls went 55-27 with only Kukoc and Meyers replacing him. And that team lost a close seven game series to the Knicks, who would go on to lose a close seven game series against the Rockets in the Finals. MJ also played on FIVE losing teams, and at one point in his career, he was 1-9 in his first three post-season series.

In any case...to answer the OP, yes, MJ had bad games like Kobe had last night, too. So what? Kobe has also been brilliant in the majority of his playoff career, too. However, he has never been as great as MJ was in his. Of course, only a handful of players can make that claim, though.

[DMAVS41]

First of all, I mentioned much earlier in this topic that Jordan is a better player than Kobe. But I get sick-and-tired of these posters that honestly believe MJ walked on water.

Secondly, MJ shot .415 in that Finals, .455 in the next one, and .427 in his last one...so it was not like a one-time occurance.

MJ had MANY greater games than Kobe. He also had poor games, too. As did Wilt, Russell, Magic, Kareem, Bird, Shaq, Duncan, and Olajuwon. If someone would have asked if Bird ever had a bad game like Kobe, there would have been 15 posts within five minutes (or less) on this forum.

One more time...Kobe IS a top-10 all-time player. However, he is near the bottom of that group, and very likely will not go much higher. He was never as dominant as Duncan, nor Shaq. And then there is the next level...Russell, MJ, Magic, Wilt, and Kareem...who are the "immortals"...players that make SIGNIFICANT marks on the game.

And, NO, MJ is NOT the clear-cut GOAT, either...despite what the "ESPN Generation" may have you believe. Russell's team's went 27-2 in his 29 post-season series...winning 11 titles in 13 years. He was also the game's greatest defensive player. Magic NEVER came CLOSE to tasting a losing season, and was within a few breaks of going to the Finals EVERY year in the decade of the 80's. And he proved that he could lead average rosters, as the Lakers were by 90-91, to yet another Finals. Kareem played 20 years, and was the best player in the league in the decade of the 70's. He was also a top-5 player for about 16-17 years in the league. He won SIX MVP's, and SIX rings. And NO other player came CLOSE to dominating the NBA like Chamberlain did. He won scoring titles by nearly 20 ppg. He averaged 40 ppg over the course of his first seven seasons...COMBINED. He won ELEVEN rebounding titles. He won NINE FG% titles, and two of them were LIGHT YEARS ahead of any other player whoever played the game. He was surely the greatest shot-blocker in the history of the game. He was arguably in the top 2-3 greatest defensive players to have ever played the game. And he even won an assist title. He holds some 130 NBA records, and many of them will never be approached, much less broken. And contrary to what the uneducated believe, he was a DOMINANT player in the post-season, as well.

MJ has a case, though. He was the game's greatest post-season scorer (although Wilt only played 52 games, of his 160 post-season games, in his "scoring seasons.") But there were other great post-season scorers, as well. Jerry West had a playoff series of 46.4 ppg. He also had a Finals of 38 ppg...as did Shaq. Chamberlain had post-seasons of 37 ppg and 35 ppg, and averaged 33 ppg in his first six post-seasons (his scoring seasons.) And Russell and Wilt are on the other side of the galaxy in comparison to all of the rest of the players who have ever played the game in their post-seasons, in terms of rebounding. Shaq may have had the most dominant post-seasons in NBA history. Olajuwon carried inferior rosters to two titles...as did Duncan. And MJ didn't win anything until he played on loaded rosters in the 90's, in leagues that were watered down. All we need to know is that the 93-94 Bulls went 55-27 with only Kukoc and Meyers replacing him. And that team lost a close seven game series to the Knicks, who would go on to lose a close seven game series against the Rockets in the Finals. MJ also played on FIVE losing teams, and at one point in his career, he was 1-9 in his first three post-season series.

In any case...to answer the OP, yes, MJ had bad games like Kobe had last night, too. So what? Kobe has also been brilliant in the majority of his playoff career, too. However, he has never been as great as MJ was in his. Of course, only a handful of players can make that claim, though.


Pretty much this.

Best poster on the site.

[jlauber]

Pretty much this.

Best poster on the site.

I wouldn't say that. You, and some other's here are exceptional posters...and even some who I seldom agree with. Unfortunately, there are many here that are worthless. And we have to waste our time sifting through their trash to have intelligent discussions on these topics.

I do appreciate the compliment, though. You are one of the reasons that I even bother posting here.

:cheers:

[Boston C's]

Everyone needs to plz stop comparing kobe to Jordan its downright ridiculous. Kobe is an all time great no doubt but he isnt in Jordans stratosphere, Jordan would of never allowed a 40 point blowout in a closeout game of the finals in 08, he would in no way shape or form allow the greatest comeback in finals history to happen as well. Jordan in the playoffs is an absolute unstoppable force and it shows with six rings and every trip he went to the finals he won. You think if the Malone and Stockton team of the Jazz or the Gary Payton Shawn Kemp Sonics played in todays era they would not win? They absolutely would get a ring or two the only person that stopped them was Jordan because he was just too damn good. Jordan also doesnt throw dud's in the playoffs like Kobe did last night...not to knock Kobe he is an absolute beast and tremendous basketball player, hall of famer, and arguably top 10 all time when his career is said and done but Michael Jordan like its a def no no for me.

[AlphaWolf24]

Yeah Don't compare Kobe to MJ..OMG!.....





....LOL @ people thinking Kobe is No where near MJ...If Kobe wins 3 More titles after 32 years old (Like MJ did) he will have earned his to be on the same shelf or ahead of MJ as a basketball player....winning is the ultmate Goal.....

winning always trumps all....especially marginal stats in a watered down era.

[DMAVS41]

I wouldn't say that. You, and some other's here are exceptional posters...and even some who I seldom agree with. Unfortunately, there are many here that are worthless. And we have to waste our time sifting through their trash to have intelligent discussions on these topics.

I do appreciate the compliment, though. You are one of the reasons that I even bother posting here.

:cheers:
:cheers:

[Boston C's]

Yeah Don't compare Kobe to MJ..OMG!.....





....LOL @ people thinking Kobe is No where near MJ...If Kobe wins 3 More titles after 32 years old (Like MJ did) he will have earned his to be on the same shelf or ahead of MJ as a basketball player....winning is the ultmate Goal.....

winning always trumps all....especially marginal stats in a watered down era.


Not sure how nearly 6 ppg a couple more assists/rebounds (off the top of my head is marginal) and as for the marginal era you have to be kidding me, the 90's was more difficult to play in then now Ray Allen and Paul Pierce both said since they changed the rules like handchecking on defense it has been easier for players to score then it was in the 90's not to mention you look at the big men today compared to the big men in the 90's and its laughable. The center department you have Dwight and thats it, even he would get eaten alive by prime shaq, hakeem the dream and etc. 90's> then 2000's

[jlauber]

Yeah Don't compare Kobe to MJ..OMG!.....





....LOL @ people thinking Kobe is No where near MJ...If Kobe wins 3 More titles after 32 years old (Like MJ did) he will have earned his to be on the same shelf or ahead of MJ as a basketball player....winning is the ultmate Goal.....

winning always trumps all....especially marginal stats in a watered down era.

Those are BIG "ifs". It would certainly help his case if he had some memorable Finals, as well.

[whoartthou]

Not sure how nearly 6 ppg a couple more assists/rebounds (off the top of my head is marginal) and as for the marginal era you have to be kidding me, the 90's was more difficult to play in then now Ray Allen and Paul Pierce both said since they changed the rules like handchecking on defense it has been easier for players to score then it was in the 90's not to mention you look at the big men today compared to the big men in the 90's and its laughable. The center department you have Dwight and thats it, even he would get eaten alive by prime shaq, hakeem the dream and etc. 90's> then 2000's

BUT BUT BUT BUT... KOBE PLAYED IN THE 2000S. HIS TALENT ALONE MAKES THE 2000S >>> 90S

[Boston C's]

BUT BUT BUT BUT... KOBE PLAYED IN THE 2000S. HIS TALENT ALONE MAKES THE 2000S >>> 90S


lmao yea your absolutely right how could I forget...I have much respect for kobe its his ridiculous nut hugging fans that make me cringe but I try to not let them cloud my judgement for Kobe as a player/all time great

[AlphaWolf24]

Those are BIG "ifs". It would certainly help his case if he had some memorable Finals, as well.


what was his minutes this year? 33?...

he still playing Top Shelf basketball...2 - 3 More Titles ...NBA's alltime leading scorer ...

he could be right there with MJ , Kareem and Magic when it's all said and done..we will have to wait and see how the next 8 years play out...

yes I said it 8 years...KB24 is still playing National Basketball Association bball on his 40th....


take that to the bank.

[jlauber]

what was his minutes this year? 33?...

he still playing Top Shelf basketball...2 - 3 More Titles ...NBA's alltime leading scorer ...

he could be right there with MJ , Kareem and Magic when it's all said and done..we will have to wait and see how the next 8 years play out...

yes I said it 8 years...KB24 is still playing National Basketball Association bball on his 40th....


take that to the bank.

Well, I am hoping you are right.

[AlphaWolf24]

Not sure how nearly 6 ppg a couple more assists/rebounds (off the top of my head is marginal) and as for the marginal era you have to be kidding me, the 90's was more difficult to play in then now Ray Allen and Paul Pierce both said since they changed the rules like handchecking on defense it has been easier for players to score then it was in the 90's not to mention you look at the big men today compared to the big men in the 90's and its laughable. The center department you have Dwight and thats it, even he would get eaten alive by prime shaq, hakeem the dream and etc. 90's> then 2000's


meh.....

Kobe as a starter is roughly 28 - 29PPG average 5AST 6REB from 2000 - 2010....(remember he came straight to the Big League at 17 - 18 years old and didn't play that much...so:confusedshrug: )


90's brand basketball was horrible to watch and play....MJ was coddled by the refs like a newborn to his mothers teet......


00's and present is a much better product.

__________________________________________________ _____

wow I read what I wrote and I do sound like an Idiot...


let me clarify....I was spoiled watching Basketball in it's greatest form from 1982 - 1988...when the 90's came around it was a different brand(More teams less talent per team and a slower less aesthetic looking game).

Great teams played slow and took the 80's Pistons style defense and turned it into Hack Ball.

MJ was the best allaround/premiere player of the "90's" and was Hyped and endorsed on a level never seen before....he was a amazing player....He struggled early in his career from a team standpoint and was called a "BallHogg" and "Played for Stats and couldn't make anyone/his team better"....many fans Jordan brought to the game fail to realize this happened...and it cracks me up everytime.

and much like Today when Kobe gets compared to MJ , Basketball elitist must chime in defending MJ's past greatness...... Just as Jordan after he won Titles was bieng Compared to past greats who played better.....so I guess it all comes back full circle.

[OldSchoolBBall]

First of all, I mentioned much earlier in this topic that Jordan is a better player than Kobe. But I get sick-and-tired of these posters that honestly believe MJ walked on water.

Secondly, MJ shot .415 in that Finals, .455 in the next one, and .427 in his last one...so it was not like a one-time occurance.

And again, in EVERY one of those series, he shot better than his second option, and better than his team did excluding him. This is a pattern that holds for EVERY poor shooting series of Jordan's career save perhaps for one. Kobe, by contrast, has shot WORSE (often SIGNIFICANTLY worse) than his second option, and worse than his team did excluding him in every poor shooting series he's ever had.

Big difference there. Only an idiot wouldn't see what it is.

[Boston C's]

[QUOTE=AlphaWolf24]meh.....

Kobe as a starter is roughly 28 - 29PPG average 5AST 6REB from 2000 - 2010....(remember he came straight to the Big League at 17 - 18 years old and didn't play that much...so:confusedshrug: )


90's brand basketball was horrible to watch and play....MJ was coddled by the refs like a newborn to his mothers teet......


[B]00's and present is a much better product.

By better product if you mean easier to score and more flashy then sure its a better product, 90's basketball wasn't as fun to watch because they didnt have as many high flyers as we do today but the defense was much better then the defense today and you can talk about kobe as a starter all you want but I could say if M.J didnt make a comeback for the wizards for 2 years then his scoring averages would be higher as well or if he didnt retire he would have 8 straight rings instead of 2 3 peats... its funny at 39 he averaged 23 points per game and at 40 he was at 20 I doubt Kobe will be that effective in the league at those ages but if he is then all props to him but im pretty sure by like 36 or 37 he'll be retired lol. FYI Jordan was dominant believe me he didn't need the refs to win 6 titles 5 mvps 6 finals mvps blah blah too many achievements lol

[DMAVS41]

Well, I am hoping you are right.

I really hope Kobe finds a way to play until he has to be dragged off the court. I really think he could play at an extremely high level for a long long time.

This Lakers team could win so many titles if Bynum stays healthy and develops or they make a huge trade....possibly dwight howard?

He has a timeless game and nothing would be cooler to see Kobe at age 38 schooling the young guns.

Hell, if Grant Hill and Jason Kidd are still this good.....Kobe could be pretty sick in my opinion.

[AlphaWolf24]

[QUOTE=AlphaWolf24]meh.....

Kobe as a starter is roughly 28 - 29PPG average 5AST 6REB from 2000 - 2010....(remember he came straight to the Big League at 17 - 18 years old and didn't play that much...so:confusedshrug: )


90's brand basketball was horrible to watch and play....MJ was coddled by the refs like a newborn to his mothers teet......


[B]00's and present is a much better product.

By better product if you mean easier to score and more flashy then sure its a better product, 90's basketball wasn't as fun to watch because they didnt have as many high flyers as we do today but the defense was much better then the defense today and you can talk about kobe as a starter all you want but I could say if M.J didnt make a comeback for the wizards for 2 years then his scoring averages would be higher as well or if he didnt retire he would have 8 straight rings instead of 2 3 peats... its funny at 39 he averaged 23 points per game and at 40 he was at 20 I doubt Kobe will be that effective in the league at those ages but if he is then all props to him but im pretty sure by like 36 or 37 he'll be retired lol. FYI Jordan was dominant believe me he didn't need the refs to win 6 titles 5 mvps 6 finals mvps blah blah too many achievements lol


I know MJ was the premiere player of the 90's....I watched.

But come on now....tell the truth, He got Superstar calls all day everyday and twice on Sunday...more so then any player ever.


lets keep it real now.

[Boston C's]

I really hope Kobe finds a way to play until he has to be dragged off the court. I really think he could play at an extremely high level for a long long time.

This Lakers team could win so many titles if Bynum stays healthy and develops or they make a huge trade....possibly dwight howard?

He has a timeless game and nothing would be cooler to see Kobe at age 38 schooling the young guns.

Hell, if Grant Hill and Jason Kidd are still this good.....Kobe could be pretty sick in my opinion.

It'll be tough the reason I say Kobe will be retired by like 37 is because he has a lot of nagging injuries that eventually I think will catch up with him in the long haul

[DMAVS41]

[QUOTE=Boston C's]


I know MJ was the premiere player of the 90's....I watched.

But come on now....tell the truth, He got Superstar calls all day everyday and twice on Sunday...more so then any player ever.


lets keep it real now.

Yet he shot free throws at a worse rate than most of the stars today. Hmmmmmmmmmmm.

[AlphaWolf24]

I really hope Kobe finds a way to play until he has to be dragged off the court. I really think he could play at an extremely high level for a long long time.

This Lakers team could win so many titles if Bynum stays healthy and develops or they make a huge trade....possibly dwight howard?

He has a timeless game and nothing would be cooler to see Kobe at age 38 schooling the young guns.

Hell, if Grant Hill and Jason Kidd are still this good.....Kobe could be pretty sick in my opinion.


Hopefully in about 3 - 4 years he can take past experience's playing with other great players and right some wrongs....If Drew can Stay Healthy he can be an allstar....if not, D12 and 36 year old Kobe :confusedshrug: D12 = MDE V.2

[Boston C's]

[QUOTE=Boston C's]


I know MJ was the premiere player of the 90's....I watched.

But come on now....tell the truth, He got Superstar calls all day everyday and twice on Sunday...more so then any player ever.


lets keep it real now.


The man did get a lot of calls arguably more so then any player but it doesn't diminish what he did and you could argue that there were calls that went unseen against him that were critical too... a perfect example would be reggie millers famous pushoff for the game winner in i think it was 94 that went uncalled but yes he did get superstar calls no doubt...doesnt change my mind that he was the greatest player to ever play the game though nobody had a drive like M.J his will was unrivaled to me. Everyone has their own opinion on the greatest but to me its his airness without a doubt

[Boston C's]

[QUOTE=AlphaWolf24]

Yet he shot free throws at a worse rate than most of the stars today. Hmmmmmmmmmmm.


Thats pretty funny that you mention that because by next yr kobe could possibly end up with more attempted free throws in his career then M.J with years to spare...it kinda shows how easy it is for the offensive player to maneuver today as compared to the 90's were you could clothesline people without being worried about getting fined lol

[AlphaWolf24]

[QUOTE=AlphaWolf24]


The man did get a lot of calls arguably more so then any player but it doesn't diminish what he did and you could argue that there were calls that went unseen against him that were critical too... a perfect example would be reggie millers famous pushover for the game winner in i think it was 94 that went uncalled but yes he did get superstar calls no doubt...doesnt change my mind that he was the greatest player to ever play the game though nobody had a drive like M.J his will was unrivaled to me. Everyone has their own opinion on the greatest but to me its his airness without a doubt


No Doubt...He was unbelievable and No one looks at phantom calls as a slight to MJ..

I was talking about the difference in 80's vs 90's .....I remember watching the 93' playoff's and thinking :wtf: how far the NBA's style has changed from the mid 80's.

Jordan's mind seperated him from his peers ....he wanted to win more then anyone...But he also understood how to obtain the skillset to win...

his game always improved and changed as he grew.....he was always fine tuning and adjusting his shot....


His shot in 85'.....vs 1995 = totally different...different elevation....footwork....release point etc.



pretty amazing how smart he was.

[Boston C's]

[QUOTE=AlphaWolf24][QUOTE=Boston C's]


No Doubt...He was unbelievable and No one looks at phantom calls as a slight to MJ..

I was talking about the difference in 80's vs 90's .....I remember watching the 93' playoff's and thinking :wtf: how far the NBA's style has changed from the mid 80's.

Jordan's mind seperated him from his peers ....he wanted to win more then anyone...But he also understood how to obtain the skillset to win...

his game always improved and changed as he grew.....he was always fine tuning and adjusting his shot....


I agree like him adapting the fade away and really getting a post game as he got older...its funny how alike kobe and jordan are because they play nearly the same style and kobe as he got older really upped his basketball i.q as well and the change was probably the most drastic I have ever seen. Kobe is a far cry from the young gun that bumped heads with shaq and had what I like to call tunnelvision when it came to the last shot for the game because he took it in double/triple coverage instead of passing to a teammate whereas nowadays he takes shots more suitable in the clutch and sets his teammates up which is why today he is the most feared man with the ball in his hands to end a game. I bet if you told kobe when he was in his early 20's that he would defer to teammates on some nights he would probably look at you like you were crazy but it just goes to show you that you learn as you grow and as a celtics fan I can really appreciate Kobe's career and all he has done...greatest player of our generation I have no problem admitting that

His shot in 85'.....vs 1995 = totally different...different elevation....footwork....release point etc.



pretty amazing how smart he was.

[Boston C's]

ehh edited that wrong but w.e lol still new here

[jlauber]

And again, in EVERY one of those series, he shot better than his second option, and better than his team did excluding him. This is a pattern that holds for EVERY poor shooting series of Jordan's career save perhaps for one. Kobe, by contrast, has shot WORSE (often SIGNIFICANTLY worse) than his second option, and worse than his team did excluding him in every poor shooting series he's ever had.

Big difference there. Only an idiot wouldn't see what it is.

What was the orginal premise of this thread? Did MJ ever have as bad a game as Kobe had? I would say that a 5-19 game, or a 6-19 game (in a 107-86 loss), as he had just in the '96 Finals alone, would qualify.

And you and I BOTH know we could come up with more. Once again, though, there is no question that MJ had a better career than Kobe has had.

[AlphaWolf24]

ehh edited that wrong but w.e lol still new here


it's all good.....good luck here...


hope to have some heated ish talk.....

(see's your name........).......(Throws up a little in mouth)

"Boston Sucks"....."Boston Sucks"......."Boston Sucks"


:cheers:

[knightfall88]

All i saw was Kobe keeping the opposition's best player under control and playing within the offense.

[Calabis]

[QUOTE=Boston C's]


I know MJ was the premiere player of the 90's....I watched.

But come on now....tell the truth, He got Superstar calls all day everyday and twice on Sunday...more so then any player ever.


lets keep it real now.

Again this dude ignores facts, as he attempts to pull out his BS, its been posted before and I guess needs to be posted again

25% of Kobe's points as of 2010 had come from FT's
22% of Jordans

25 greater than 22 last time I checked

Kobe far less agressive than MJ in attacking the basket, but had 3 years in a row with 10+ FTA's, funny that happened right after rule changes

[Boston C's]

it's all good.....good luck here...


hope to have some heated ish talk.....

(see's your name........).......(Throws up a little in mouth)

"Boston Sucks"....."Boston Sucks"......."Boston Sucks"


:cheers:

lmao completely understandable and we will most def...nice to see there are ppl on here you can have an intelligent conversation with that actually weigh each others opinions before bashing it if its not what they wanna hear

[The Iron Fist]

Yes he did against Payton, McMillan and Hawkins, in case u didn't know that is a total of 1 DPOY(awarded that season), 11 all team defenses....lucky Jordan was able to play so great in that series, he was able to match Kobe's career percentage in the Finals(Stans talk about bad Jordan was vs Sonics, yet consider Kobe to have Epic Finals performaces shooting worse than Jordan's worst performance)....Jordan is pissed to this day, that he could never match Kobe's 38% and multiple 40% Finals avgs
2001 DPOY Dikembe Motumbo, also was RPG leader, league MVP Allen Iverson was also on that team as well at 6th MOY, Aaron McKie, in that series, 2001 NBA Finals:
24.6 5.8apg - 7.8rpg - 41.5 fg% (44-106)


2008 DPOY Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce 3rd team all defense
25.7 4.7 5.0 53-131 40%

2009 DPOY Dwight Howard, aslo was RPG leader.
32.4 5.6rpg 7.4apg 58-135 43%

41% is 41%.

No need to make excuses for it. Great players suffer when they play against teams with great defensive players on them.

[rodman91]

I love when you guys only praise iverson if it fits your arguments.Other than that he was a chucker & cancer and Shaq was real mvp in 01 :lol

[Calabis]

I love when you guys only praise iverson if it fits your arguments.Other than that he was a chucker & cancer and Shaq was real mvp in 01 :lol

Yup :lol

[crisoner]

Jordan never had bad games ever....and when he takes a sh*t it smells like Roses and butterscotch.

Jordan can also cure cancer with his tears....to bad Jordan never cries.

[tpols]

Jordan can also cure cancer with his tears....to bad Jordan never cries.
This was definitely a chuck norris joke:oldlol:

[Calabis]

2001 DPOY Dikembe Motumbo, also was RPG leader, league MVP Allen Iverson was also on that team as well at 6th MOY, Aaron McKie, in that series, 2001 NBA Finals:
24.6 5.8apg - 7.8rpg - 41.5 fg% (44-106)


2008 DPOY Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce 3rd team all defense
25.7 4.7 5.0 53-131 40%

2009 DPOY Dwight Howard, aslo was RPG leader.
32.4 5.6rpg 7.4apg 58-135 43%

41% is 41%.

No need to make excuses for it. Great players suffer when they play against teams with great defensive players on them.

So Eric Snow was as good a defender as Payton??? Mutumbo guarded Kobe the majority of the series???? Aaron Mckkie w a bum ankle was as good as McMillian on defense?? Last time I cheked Mutumbo had his hands full with the finals MVP Shaq

Garnett guarded Kobe or Gasol the majority of the series...maybe I'm confused, Pierce???, Jordan hit this dude up for 25 and 32 at 39, yet he is a all world defender?? Payton better, sorry.....

Howard??? Last time I checked it was the Rookie Lee/Pietrus that defended Kobe the majority of the series, don't recall Howard taking Kobe out on the perimeter the majority of the game.....nice try though

Pretty sure, I was specifically talking about individual matchups, Jordan was actually guarded by Payton throughout the series, when he needed a break, they brought in a 2 time defensive team player McMillian, they also threw in a splash of Hawkins for good measure. Jordan teammates struggled more than he did offensively.

[rodman91]

Jordan never had bad games ever....and when he takes a sh*t it smells like Roses and butterscotch.

Jordan can also cure cancer with his tears....to bad Jordan never cries.

Hey those are C.Norris Facts!!! Didn't Kobe tell you respect the men with cowboy hats? :lol ...
http://www.horsehats.com/Images/Hats/Famous_Cowboys/Karl_Malone.gif

[Da_Realist]

Done sending messages, Kobe Bryant tries for consistency (http://www.latimes.com/sports/basketball/nba/lakers/la-sp-simers-20110423,0,1397132,full.column)
T.J. Simers
LA Times

Love him or hate him — and most nights it's both — beyond five championships, you just never know what you're going to get with Kobe Bryant.

Sometimes he's the facilitator, and boring.

Sometimes he's the ball hog, and when that goes well, he takes a bow as one of the game's great closers.

When it doesn't go well, he's selfish, ignoring his teammates and crippling his team's chances of winning.

After all these years, why can't he be both facilitator and scorer in the same game?

Ask him, and he answers in gibberish.

"Last game I was trying to send a message to my teammates that you don't have to be a scorer to make an impact," he said.

I might have just told them at practice or over breakfast, but instead he opted to go missing in Game 2.

As for this game Friday, the one the Lakers finally won going away, "The message was sent," he said, "and my responsibility is to be me and score first."

Enough with the messages, how about some consistency?

In Game 1 the Confounding One took 26 shots, scored 34 points and the Lakers lost. Afterward Lamar Odom suggested the team would've fared better had everyone been given the chance to be involved.

He didn't mention Bryant's name, but of course he was talking about the ball hog — who tried, but failed to single-handedly close out New Orleans.

So Game 2 begins and Bryant comes out the facilitator, and how many times have we seen this before?

Someone says something a la Odom, and Bryant just shuts it down as if saying, "Let's see how well you guys do if I'm not the guy with the ball in his hands."

For such an intense competitor, he too often displays the thin skin of someone who can't help the fact he has rabbit ears.

Bryant took one shot in the first quarter of Game 2, had three points at the half and finished the game having taken only 10 shots. Kobe Bryant taking 10 shots in a playoff game? Come on.

The Lakers won, but it wasn't a dominant performance from a team that should crush this lightweight opponent.

So I put it to Phil Jackson before Game 3, knowing there will be lots more playoff games to play?

"Why does Kobe Bryant have to sometimes be the facilitator and take no shots, and other times be the ball hog and take every shot? Why can't there be middle ground?"

Jackson replied: "He'll show you that tonight."

Then he was a nudged a little more.

"A lot of times he can do both, but you're right. A lot of times he goes overboard in either direction."

I wanted to know if he had spoken to Kobe about his all-or-nothing approach, and he said, "Many times we've talked about it," including, "[Thursday] morning."

So did he assure Jackson he will be a more balanced player?

"I'm not sure about the balance," Jackson said. "But I know he's going to take more than 10 shots. That part I know."

Bryant took six in the first quarter, 11 by the half and finished with 20 shots and 30 points, the Hornets never getting the chance to establish any upset opportunity.

Everyone who has watched him play knows Bryant is very much the team player — when he wants to be. When the defense moves out on him, he feeds the ball to Andrew Bynum and Pau Gasol, and the Lakers are almost unbeatable.

When he's a scoring threat, he changes the game, which doesn't mean he always has to score.

Now that I've explained this to him, I'm sure we won't have this problem again as the Lakers continue in the playoffs.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

[quote]Enough with the messages, how about some consistency?

In Game 1 the Confounding One took 26 shots, scored 34 points and the Lakers lost. Afterward Lamar Odom suggested the team would've fared better had everyone been given the chance to be involved.

He didn't mention Bryant's name, [B]but of course he was talking about the ball hog

[rodman91]

:oldlol: damn, even the LA times goes hard on the Bean.

They have seen West,Chamberlain,Jabbar,Magic,Shaq playing for them already.. they are spoiled.:lol

[KenneBell]

:oldlol: damn, even the LA times goes hard on the Bean.
Only Simers. He's a first-class asshole anytime he talks about Phil or Kobe. They pretty much hate him and he admits it. :oldlol:

[The Iron Fist]

So Eric Snow was as good a defender as Payton??? Mutumbo guarded Kobe the majority of the series???? Aaron Mckkie w a bum ankle was as good as McMillian on defense?? Last time I cheked Mutumbo had his hands full with the finals MVP Shaq

Garnett guarded Kobe or Gasol the majority of the series...maybe I'm confused, Pierce???, Jordan hit this dude up for 25 and 32 at 39, yet he is a all world defender?? Payton better, sorry.....

Howard??? Last time I checked it was the Rookie Lee/Pietrus that defended Kobe the majority of the series, don't recall Howard taking Kobe out on the perimeter the majority of the game.....nice try though

Pretty sure, I was specifically talking about individual matchups, Jordan was actually guarded by Payton throughout the series, when he needed a break, they brought in a 2 time defensive team player McMillian, they also threw in a splash of Hawkins for good measure. Jordan teammates struggled more than he did offensively.

I'm pretty sure its a team game. So lets not try to debate facts.

and these are the facts.

Kobe has faced more DPOY in the finals than Jordan.

[PP34Deuce]

Im a chicago native so i saw plenty of the bulls early on before I converted to Celtics fan when I was 14.

The guy wasnt untouchable lol, He hadhis occasional "punked"moments

Doc Rivers on Jordan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3jTGahAcKU

[Poochymama]

I'm pretty sure its a team game. So lets not try to debate facts.

and these are the facts.

Kobe has faced more DPOY in the finals than Jordan.

Sure it's a team game, but having Payton guard you for 90% of the time is still a hell of a lot tougher than having Mutombo guard you 1% of the time.

[AlphaWolf24]

Im a chicago native so i saw plenty of the bulls early on before I converted to Celtics fan when I was 14.

The guy wasnt untouchable lol, He hadhis occasional "punked"moments

Doc Rivers on Jordan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3jTGahAcKU


:lol

[bwink23]

Isn't MJ the only player to take 35+ shots and fail to score 30 pts??:lol :lol :lol

Jordan did it twice..

Other players to do it...

Scottie Pippen, Jim Jackson, Gilbert Arenas, John Starks, Tracy McGrady.

Kobe is the only player in recent memory to miss 30 shots in a game.

17-47...he scored 34 points on 47 shots, missed all 8 of his 3-point attempts.

Jordan never did anything like that....:rolleyes:

[Glide2keva]

Jordan did it twice..

Other players to do it...

Scottie Pippen, Jim Jackson, Gilbert Arenas, John Starks, Tracy McGrady.

Kobe is the only player in recent memory to miss 30 shots in a game.

17-47...he scored 34 points on 47 shots, missed all 8 of his 3-point attempts.

Jordan never did anything like that....:rolleyes:
Why do you respond to Alphatroll?

[Round Mound]

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[Glide2keva]

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This.

[Round Mound]

0 Assists? How Can a Guard of that Caliber Now At Age 33 With Great Experience...Deliver 0 Assits in a Game? :confusedshrug:

He is Playing Like A Rookie Young Jordan (NOT :no: Defensively ofcourse MJ was Miles Away More of a Defender Even in his Young Dayz) and Not Envoling the Twin Towers as he Did in Game 7 of the Previous Series.

He Wasted the 2 Twin Towers.... Should Have Penetrated and Make Easy Passes for Both Bynum and Gasol...Instead of Trying to Score 50 and Taking 33 FGAs To Do So

[TheBluest]

Not trolling, just thinking about Mike's amazing scoring abilities against what many deem to be a more difficult era.


http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/109/8/5/Troll_Face_by_MechaBuggy.jpg

[Horde of Temujin]

He did, once, to know what it feels like.

[Solid Snake]

No, and in fact, Jordan's team's never lost a game, either. The man walked on water for cryingoutloud.


Why do you hate Jordan so much?????

[TheBigVeto]

You mean like chucking and losing?
Yes he did.