congrats: Wade wins first playoff series since 2006 finals

[winwin]

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"They have two pretty good guys -- three pretty good guys -- that they're going to play 40 minutes, so I don't think anybody has that big of a bench problem during the playoffs," Rivers said. "Honestly, they have enough guys, they'll move them around. You see, even [Wednesday] night, they changed their rotations in the middle of the game. But they do have enough veterans that they can do that, honestly. I don't think they have any issues."

[shaq's--lakers]

Has D-Wade ever won a Series without a Hall of Famer and MVP......

[DixieNourmous]

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[PHaYze]

Has D-Wade ever won a Series without a Hall of Famer and MVP......

Has Kobe?

[Miami2010Champs]

Has Kobe?
yes. gasol isnt a hall of famer nor is he an MVP

[LA_Showtime]

Has Kobe?

Well yeah, sorta... Pau was hardly a lock for the hall of fame before he won a title. If anything Kobe helped guarantee a spot in the hall.

[Bigsmoke]

this site always hate on Heat players.

[PHaYze]

yes. gasol isnt a hall of famer nor is he an MVP

Gasol will be in the hall of fame but yeah I guess in 09 he wasn't a lock yet.

[MostHated305]

this site always hate on Heat players.


Because they are a legit threat to their favorite teams.

[BlackJoker23]

wade still a beast, op still a *******

[Papaya Petee]

Has D-Wade ever won a Series without a Hall of Famer and MVP......
No, he only hit 2 game winners to beat Hornets. Only averaged 28\6\6 compared to Shaq's 19\9 in 2006 playoffs, and was better then Shaq by a decent margin in 2005 playoffs.

[ashbelly]

thanks LeBron

"They have two pretty good guys -- three pretty good guys -- that they're going to play 40 minutes, so I don't think anybody has that big of a bench problem during the playoffs," Rivers said. "Honestly, they have enough guys, they'll move them around. You see, even [Wednesday] night, they changed their rotations in the middle of the game. But they do have enough veterans that they can do that, honestly. I don't think they have any issues."

I rate doc as the best coach ever.. his predictions or analysis are always onpoint.:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[kidachi]

Congrats to Dwyaaaaane Waaaaaade.

Wade has never won a series without a HOFer or an MVP..

to be fair.. most of the time he played with one.. and when he didn't.. the team isn't good enough..

how about his rookie year? they beat B.Diddy and Hornets.. who has chance their for HOF? Odom? not at that time if he is now. Eddie Jones? I don't think so. Caron Butler? he's a good player but obviously not.

[Kurosawa0]

yes. gasol isnt a hall of famer nor is he an MVP

If Chris Mullin makes the HOF, then Gasol definitely should.

[ashbelly]

Congrats to Dwyaaaaane Waaaaaade.

Wade has never won a series without a HOFer or an MVP..

to be fair.. most of the time he played with one.. and when he didn't.. the team isn't good enough..

how about his rookie year? they beat B.Diddy and Hornets.. who has chance their for HOF? Odom? not at that time if he is now. Eddie Jones? I don't think so. Caron Butler? he's a good player but obviously not.

to be fair, he was injured for a minute.. 09 wade was a beast with a point to prove. :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[FourthTenor]

this site always hate on Heat players.


Kobe stans are more insecure than jealous girlfriends.

[zizozain]

sup sinjack

[IamSofaKing]

What about Bosh? Its his first time winning a playoff series..

[kidachi]

to be fair, he was injured for a minute.. 09 wade was a beast with a point to prove. :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

:rockon:

I forgot to erase the one you put on bold.. Wade has won a playoff series without a HOFer and an MVP.. 2004 1st rd with the Hornets.. and HE EVEN HIT A GAME WINNER (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-Op-CdfiOI)

[nashwade]

i always wondered if wade and lebron switch teams in the last 3 years, would the Cavs gone where they had and would the Heat have more success?

[Lebron23]

What about Bosh? Its his first time winning a playoff series..


Yup

[opps]

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/01YigDBaXV9kR/340x.jpg

:roll: :roll:

[Kiddlovesnets]

umm this, is it really a celebration thread, or are there any other meanings behind that?

[Lebron23]

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/01YigDBaXV9kR/340x.jpg

:roll: :roll:


Kobe couldn't advance in the 2nd round without a dominant PF/C on his team. See 2005-2007 NBA Season.

[kidachi]

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/01YigDBaXV9kR/340x.jpg

:roll: :roll:

http://fourhorsementattoo.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/kobe-crying.jpghttp://msofficer.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/derek-fisher-crying.jpg

:oldlol: find the one's where Wade is crying.. or a U MAD Kobe/Lakers pic.. come on I know you'd do it..

[opps]

Kobe couldn't advance in the 2nd round without a dominant PF/C on his team. See 2005-2007 NBA Season.

Yeah thats the way the system works :rolleyes:

But lets not act like in 2006 he was 1 game away from advancing with a group of scrubs who arent even in the league anymore....

[Lebron23]

Yeah thats the way the system works :rolleyes:

But lets not act like in 2006 he was 1 game away from advancing with a group of scrubs who arent even in the league anymore....

He quit in Game 7.

http://www.travelgolf.com/blogs/chris.baldwin/2006/05/11/kobe_bryant_s_game_7_no_shot_pout_the_mo

[Colby Brian]

http://fourhorsementattoo.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/kobe-crying.jpghttp://msofficer.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/derek-fisher-crying.jpg

:oldlol: find the one's where Wade is crying.. or a U MAD Kobe/Lakers pic.. come on I know you'd do it..
http://oi51.tinypic.com/23igdqb.jpg:oldlol:

[opps]

http://fourhorsementattoo.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/kobe-crying.jpghttp://msofficer.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/derek-fisher-crying.jpg

:oldlol: find the one's where Wade is crying.. or a U MAD Kobe/Lakers pic.. come on I know you'd do it..

Love those two pics :applause:

Good sh.it! Heart of champions right there and it shows that they been through soo much together. I was crying when they lost that game too :lol After 3 years of dominating the league it was all over but they fought back to be in the position they are in today :rockon:

But of course you Wade & Lebron fans wouldnt know about anything like this :rolleyes:

[PowerGlove]

Has D-Wade ever won a Series without a Hall of Famer and MVP......
His Rookie year.

STFU

[Colby Brian]

He quit in Game 7.

lol lebron 3-14 in game 5 last year
2 straight years of failing to make the finals while having the best overall record in the nba and having hca

http://oi51.tinypic.com/23igdqb.jpg
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[ImmortalD24]

Troll thread.. but then again I've seen worse regarding Kobe / Gasol.



:oldlol: find the one's where Wade is crying.. or a U MAD Kobe/Lakers pic.. come on I know you'd do it.. *inserts wade crying wheelchair incident*

[kidachi]

Love those two pic :applause:

Good sh.it! Heart of champions right there and it shows that they been through soo much together. I was crying when they lost that game too :lol After 3 years of dominating the league it was all over but they fought back to be in the position they are in today :rockon:

But of course you Wade & Lebron fans would know about anything like this :rolleyes:


Colby Brian - :D That's the spirit!

opps - WADE FAN SIR. NOT LEBRON. I DON'T LIKE 'EM

[kidachi]

Troll thread.. but then again I've seen worse regarding Kobe / Gasol.
*inserts wade crying wheelchair incident*

That was a weird moment. Even me a Wade fan went "WTF?"









But what do we know about how he feels..

[opps]

He quit in Game 7.

http://www.travelgolf.com/blogs/chris.baldwin/2006/05/11/kobe_bryant_s_game_7_no_shot_pout_the_mo

No he didnt what the fu.ck are you talking about :wtf:

Haters say the same shit over and over again :facepalm

[jrong]

:rockon:

I forgot to erase the one you put on bold.. Wade has won a playoff series without a HOFer and an MVP.. 2004 1st rd with the Hornets.. and HE EVEN HIT A GAME WINNER (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-Op-CdfiOI)

He hit two gamewinners in that series. In Game 5, he hit a 3 with like 30 seconds or so that put the Heat up 3. They later added a FT.

And any questions about who Dwyane Wade is can be answered by that first gamewinner. Hitting the buzzer-beater to win the game in your first ever playoff game as a rookie? Who does that?

That's who Dwyane Wade is.

[Colby Brian]

No he didnt what the fu.ck are you talking about :wtf:

Haters say the same shit over and over again :facepalm

lol so when he took 35 shots in game 6 hes a ballhog and shoots too much, but when he takes 16 shots he shoots too little, i dont get it

[kidachi]

He hit two gamewinners in that series. In Game 5, he hit a 3 with like 30 seconds or so that put the Heat up 3. They later added a FT.

And any questions about who Dwyane Wade is can be answered by that first gamewinner. Hitting the buzzer-beater to win the game in your first ever playoff game as a rookie? Who does that?

That's who Dwyane Wade is.


couldn't agree more.

[opps]

And any questions about who Dwyane Wade is can be answered by that first gamewinner. Hitting the buzzer-beater to win the game in your first ever playoff game as a rookie? Who does that?

That's who Dwyane Wade is.

Its no denying that he has underachieved as far as accomplishments throughout his career. And there is a reason why...

[kidachi]

Its no denying that he has underachieved as far as accomplishments throughout his career. And there is a reason why...


That's right.. he never led the Heat to a champio---










wait a second...

[opps]

That's right.. he never led the Heat to a champio---










wait a second...

Ok lets just for the sake of arguement act like the refs had nothing to do with that :rolleyes:

Thats right 7 years and about 2 good playoff runs. And 1 championship. And he hasnt done sh.it worth while in the NBA since.

[Kurosawa0]

And he hasnt done sh.it worth while in the NBA since.

There no way you can logically say that if you've watch basketball over the last 5 years. :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[opps]

There no way you can logically say that if you've watch basketball over the last 5 years. :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

When I say worth-while. I mean win.

The thread title explains everything. Yeah maybe some nice dunks and good moves but no winning. Since 2006 he has won a WHOPPING 4 playoff games. :eek:

[ImmortalD24]

http://brandnewcool.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Michael-Jordan-crying.jpg


http://www.jordancards.com/images/jordan-hof.jpg

Dennis Rodman crying -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icJLs4t0lLo&feature=player_detailpage#t=232s

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4050/4661872487_551bb8aeb2.jpg

There is nothing wrong with showing emotion ( yes including crying) in the highest of levels in sports.. (unless your name is adam morrison).

Basketball (at it's highest level) is a very emotional game.. hell, I remember shedding a tear when I saw Zo limp off the court vs the Hawks (I think)..

Could you imagine being a major part of a team and blowing away the opportunity to have a potential 4-peat? Honestly, if you were in their shoes and didn't cry, I'd suspect that you don't care enough about the game.. a game which they invest a whole lot in. eh I'm going to assume that it's only young bball fans that are so caught up in the uber macho stuff.. so I'm not even going to bother.

edit: can't lie, the steve nash one made me chuckle a bit.

[kidachi]

Ok lets just for the sake of arguement act like the refs had nothing to do with that :rolleyes:

Thats right 7 years and about 2 good playoff runs. And 1 championship. And he hasnt done sh.it worth while in the NBA since.


oh the refs again? :roll: you have now the right to say "**** my life" you're a sad guy

get over it kid.. Mavs choked..

he was an NBA champion.. and don't go to "he had Shaq" and all that shit.. he led that team..

Refs helped them? well god damn why didn't they make the Heat back-to-back champs in 07? instead of giving us the super boring Cavs-Spurs..

[kidachi]

There is nothing wrong with showing emotion ( yes including crying) in the highest of levels in sports.. (unless your name is adam morrison).

The game is a very emotional game.. hell, I remember shedding a tear when I saw Zo limp off the court vs the Hawks (I think)..

Could you imagine being a major part of a team and blowing away the opportunity to have a potential 4-peat? Honestly, if you were in their shoes and didn't cry, I'd suspect that you don't care enough about the game.. a game which they invest a whole lot in. eh I'm going to assume that it's only young bball fans that are so caught up in the uber macho stuff.. so I'm not even going to bother.

edit: can't lie, the steve nash one made me chuckle a bit.

I agree.

Isn't that what I posted? I just replied the crying pics to "annoy" them or to crash their "U mad" party.. :D

[opps]

oh the refs again? :roll: you have now the right to say "**** my life" you're a sad guy

get over it kid.. Mavs choked..

he was an NBA champion.. and don't go to "he had Shaq" and all that shit.. he led that team..

Refs helped them? well god damn why didn't they make the Heat back-to-back champs in 07? instead of giving us the super boring Cavs-Spurs..

Your right he has the ring and no one can take it away from him. But the same way he got his ring is one of the reason he hasnt been able to get one since. Having a game built on relying on the refs will not get you very far. Cant wait for the Celtics/Heat series to start we gonna see how good him and Lebron really are.

[bl2k8]

Kobe couldn't advance in the 2nd round without a dominant PF/C on his team. See 2005-2007 NBA Season.
Shaq is dominant.... who else? 18/9 Gasol:lol

[Hulk Hogan]

Has D-Wade ever won a Series without a Hall of Famer and MVP......

I'm waiting for the day he wins a game without the refs.

[kidachi]

Your right he has the ring and no one can take it away from him. But the same way he got his ring is one of the reason he hasnt been able to get one since. Having a game built on relying on the refs will not get you very far. Cant wait for the Celtics/Heat series to start we gonna see how good him and Lebron really are.

you don't know basketball.. or you blind yourself so much with your haterade.. Wade is a great player.. everyone knows that.. some would say "oh oh the refs helped him this and that", but in the back of their minds they know how good of a player he is..

But you're right.. Celtics-Heat series is a test on Wade and LeBron.. it's gonna be entertaining..

[kidachi]

wins a game without the refs.

Laker fans have no right to question FTs and questionable calls.. when they don't get it much.. they it in the crucial periods.. just sayin..

[opps]

you don't know basketball.. or you blind yourself so much with your haterade.. Wade is a great player.. everyone knows that.. some would say "oh oh the refs helped him this and that", but in the back of their minds they know how good of a player he is..

But you're right.. Celtics-Heat series is a test on Wade and LeBron.. it's gonna be entertaining..

Great logic there. The facts are he has won 4 playoffs games in the last 4 seasons and hasnt done anything worth-while since "leading" his team in the Finals. Im a Laker fan so I have absolutely no reason to "hate" on him, he hasnt been on our radar for the past 5 seasons, while we have been winning.

[KOLBCTEW]

Great logic there. The facts are he has won 4 playoffs games in the last 4 seasons and hasnt done anything worth-while since "leading" his team in the Finals. Im a Laker fan so I have absolutely no reason to "hate" on him, he hasnt been on our radar for the past 5 seasons, while we have been winning.
Of course you ignore the fact he was plagued with injuries.. and was surrounded by scrubs until this season and he's won eight playoff games in the last four years not four.

[opps]

Of course you ignore the fact he was plagued with injuries.. and was surrounded by scrubs until this season and he's won eight playoff games in the last four years not four.

2007- won 0 playoff games
2008- did not make playoffs
2009- won 3 playoff games
2010- won 1 playoff game

Last 4 seasons: 4 playoff games won. Am I missing something here? :confusedshrug:

In 2007 he had most of the teammates he won a ring with. And he got swept. None of his teams in the other years besides 2008 were so bad that he couldnt win a playoff game. But yeah, excuses,excuses.

[KOLBCTEW]

2007- won 0 playoff games
2008- did not make playoffs
2009- won 3 playoff games
2010- won 1 playoff game

Last 4 seasons: 4 playoff games won. Am I missing something here? :confusedshrug: The last 4 seasons would include this Season. What you mean is the previous 4 seasons and for two of those seasons he was riddled with injuries.



In 2007 he had most of the teammates he won a ring with. And he got swept.
The man was recovering from a barely functioning dislocated shoulder and that team was filled with aging veterans who were now a year older after winning the championship.


None of his teams in the other years besides 2008 were so bad that he couldnt win a playoff game. But yeah, excuses,excuses.
Ok.. What's Kobe's excuse for only winning 4 playoff games from the 04 to the 06 season?

[Harion]

Ok.. What's Kobe's excuse for only winning 4 playoff games from the 04 to the 06 season?
:applause: ignore the idiot.

[nashwade]

just sit back and enjoy the Sunday game.. what's the point of the argument?

[DMAVS41]

Winning and losing is done as a team. No player wins alone. Even if you have a sorry team and advance in the playoffs, you need your sorry help to play well.

Wade is evidence of this. He led his team to a playoff series win as a rookie and battled a good team in the 2nd round. He then should have beat the Pistons in 05 before he got hurt. Then he won it all the next year...his third season.

He's pretty much done nothing in the playoffs since. Does anyone here think he's regressed as a player? That he hasn't had success because he's not good enough? Please.

We have so much evidence that TEAMS win.....yet we continue to blame individual players for losing. It makes no sense.

Take Dirk this year for example. Did he play better this year in the first round than last year? Nope, not really even close actually. Dirk was damn near perfect against the Spurs. So how did he win this year? His team was better and players stepped up. Terry and Kidd played awesome. Chandler was a beast. Peja made some big shots. Marion as well. Teams win.

Often times winning a playoff game or even series is more dependent on the impact of guys like Fisher/Horry/Posey/Haslem...etc.

How a player plays is the most important thing when comparing and discussing players. Not team success.

Does anyone here think Kobe played better than Chris Paul in the series?

[knightfall88]

What was Wade's excuse for being a sidekick again?

[winwin]

this is a top 10 player celebration thread
please no trolling and keep kobe out of it

[step_back]

Let's not act like Wade wasn't the best player on the 06 heat squad.

[24r2]

Great logic there. The facts are he has won 4 playoffs games in the last 4 seasons and hasnt done anything worth-while since "leading" his team in the Finals. Im a Laker fan so I have absolutely no reason to "hate" on him, he hasnt been on our radar for the past 5 seasons, while we have been winning.

wuuuuut? can someone confirm this?

[kidachi]

wuuuuut? can someone confirm this?

it's true..

07 playoffs swept
08 missed playoffs
09 lost 4-3 to the hawks
10 lost 4-1 to the Cs

Wade didn't have the best supporting cast though..

Wade is a great player.. period.. top 3 for years now..

Wade being a great leader.. it's still in question.. he brought the Heat a title with him leading the way.. but he didn't win much (not individually) when that core was broken up.. this argument will end once he retires..


I don't know if he's the leader of the 06 championship.. but he LED them to championship.. I hope ya'll now what I mean..

[Sakkreth]

:facepalm

It's called team sport for a reason.

[jrong]

Opps, you are a clown. I'm quickly gonna put you in the same category as Hulk. Kobe has done nothing in his career that Wade hasn't done when given given similar opportunities. In fact there are careers are eerily similar:

1. Won early with Shaq. (Kobe won three as his sidekick; Wade won one as the alpha.)

2. Missed playoffs one year

3. Posted two dominating regular seasons in which they literally dragged anemic teams to the playoffs but couldn't beat better first round opponents by themselves.

4. Kobe gets reinforcements. Lakers reach three Finals and win two titles.

5. Wade gets reinforcements. The Heat... (tbd)


But, the thing is I'm 95 % certain you don't even believe the garbage you're spewing because I find it hard to believe that anyone could be that stupid. Wade's already accomplished more in half a career then most HOFers do in their whole careers. The man has the 3rd best career numbers for any SG ever (25.4/5.1/6.3./1.8/1.0/%48.5) (Better than Kobe's actually, but seeing as Kobe has to get the legacy-nod over Wade, that could arguably put Wade 4th behind Jerry West, depending on how much you think West's stats were pace-inflated (answer: a lot relative to Wade).

On top of that, not that I'd expect LAKER FANS to appreciate this, he's the most efficient SG since MJ. Absolutely a world-class dominating player whenever he was healthy.

Wade is one of the best players... ever. Get used to the idea because within the next few years, this fact will become unchallengeable

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Kobe, Wade

Jrong, I know you're a Wade-guy, but if you can, answer the questions below when you've got the time.

When both are 100% healthy, who is the the better player? During their peak, who would you say was more dominant and/or better?

[Droid101]

Oh, revisionist history. Isn't it grand?



1. Won early with Shaq. (Kobe won three as his sidekick; Wade won one as the alpha.)

2. Missed playoffs one yearYeah, due to injury.


3. Posted two dominating regular seasons in which they literally dragged anemic teams to the playoffs but couldn't beat better first round opponents by themselves.

4. Kobe gets reinforcements. Lakers reach three Finals and win two titles.
LOL. Lakers had the best record in the league with Bynum in the roster. Bynum goes down, they make the Pau trade, and the rest is history.

You don't think he would have won a playoff series even though they had the best record with Kobe and Bynum leading the way? :lol

[DMAVS41]

Oh, revisionist history. Isn't it grand?
Yeah, due to injury.


LOL. Lakers had the best record in the league with Bynum in the roster. Bynum goes down, they make the Pau trade, and the rest is history.

You don't think he would have won a playoff series even though they had the best record with Kobe and Bynum leading the way? :lol


Its a toss up. Would the Lakers get the 1 seed? If so, they would have had to play the Nuggets.

The West had like 6 really good teams in 08. No Gasol and a healthy Bynum.....I could definitely see them not winning a playoff series. It certainly wouldn't be easy regardless of the seed they would have gotten.

[jrong]

Jrong, I know you're a Wade-guy, but if you can, answer the questions below when you've got the time.

When both are 100% healthy, who is the the better player? During their peak, who would you say was more dominant and/or better?

Kobe is more skilled/talented than anyone outside of MJ. So he has that on Wade. However, one thing that separates MJ from Kobe is Jordan's ridiculous efficiency. And that's something Wade has on Kobe too.

Right now, few fans who follow the NBA and aren't Laker fans or myopic media-types could make the claim that Kobe is still better. He's not in his prime more. Wade is. The numbers reflect this and have for several seasons now. This year the only thing that, besides stubborn resistance-to-fact, that keeps this from being unignorably recognizable is the imaginary perception that Wade is LBJ's sidekick.

Somehow people miss what should be patently obvious: LeBron James is the #1 player in the world and Dwyane Wade as his teammate is matching about 95% of his production and performance; ergo, Dwyane Wade is #2 and almost as good (or exactly what Heat/Wade fans have said all along. Because there ain't another player alive who could maintain virtual statistical parity with LeBron while playing on the same team.

....Now with regards to their respective primes, here's how I see it:

scoring: Kobe
jumpshot: Kobe
3 pt shot: Kobe
FT shooting: Kobe
passing: Wade
playmaking: Wade
defensive rebounding: Push
offensive rebounding: Wade
penetration: Wade
ball-handling: Wade
ball caretaking: Kobe
on-ball defense: Kobe
off-ball defense: Wade
overall skill: Kobe
takeover ability: Push
clutch: Kobe
efficiency: Wade
intangibles: Wade

In my analysis, each leads the other in eight categories. Push comes to shove though, I'll give Kobe the nod.

But, understand this, when homers haughtily dismiss the comparison as if there's no merit to even making it, in the back of their minds, what they're thinking is Kobe has five rings, so he can't possibly be compared to a guy who has only one. Basically, what they do is they project Kobe's career resume (which obviously is ahead of Wade's thus far) on to the comparison between the two as players.

[jrong]

Oh, revisionist history. Isn't it grand?
Yeah, due to injury.


LOL. Lakers had the best record in the league with Bynum in the roster. Bynum goes down, they make the Pau trade, and the rest is history.

You don't think he would have won a playoff series even though they had the best record with Kobe and Bynum leading the way? :lol

And when Wade missed the playoffs it wasn't due to injury? As I said, eerily similar careers.

You think Wade might have won a playoff series in 2009 or 2010 if he had anyone on his team who could average even 14 pts per game in a series? Hell, in 2010, he didn't have anyone even averaging 11 ppg.

[Colby Brian]

And when Wade missed the playoffs it wasn't due to injury? As I said, eerily similar careers.

You think Wade might have won a playoff series in 2009 or 2010 if he had anyone on his team who could average even 14 pts per game in a series? Hell, in 2010, he didn't have anyone even averaging 11 ppg.

when wade had nobody, like kobe did in 2006 and 2007, what did he do?

kobe averaged 35.4 ppg in 06
in 07 he had 4 straight 50 point games!, and 10 50 point games in that year, 7 in 06
Tied 2nd most 60 point games alltime (1 of 4 players to have multiple 60 point games)
3rd most 50 point games
3rd most 40 point games (1 of 3 players that have atleast 100 40 point games)
81 point game (66.4% of teams points - most alltime)
outscored a team by himself in 3 quarters

[Ikill]

Wade couldn't really control what happened in 07 and 08 because he was way too injured. In 09 and 10 it was amazing he was able to lead those teams to the playoffs i mean that team was horrible. Cleveland Minnesota Toronto and Sacramento all have a better roster than last years Heat without Wade.

[LA_Showtime]

[/B]

Its a toss up. Would the Lakers get the 1 seed? If so, they would have had to play the Nuggets.

The West had like 6 really good teams in 08. No Gasol and a healthy Bynum.....I could definitely see them not winning a playoff series. It certainly wouldn't be easy regardless of the seed they would have gotten.

since we're playing the what if game, the lakers probably would have fallen off in the second half of the season and dropped to the 2nd or 3rd seed. but if bynum stayed healthy he probably would've progressed even more and it's safe to say the lakers most likely would have won at least 1 playoff series. they still had kobe; back then he could single-handedly take over series.

[opps]

since we're playing the what if game, the lakers probably would have fallen off in the second half of the season and dropped to the 2nd or 3rd seed. but if bynum stayed healthy he probably would've progressed even more and it's safe to say the lakers most likely would have won at least 1 playoff series. they still had kobe; back then he could single-handedly take over series.

Lets continue with the what ifs. What is Odom boxed out in Game 6, Kobe would have lead the the Lakers to one of the biggest upsets in the NBA. Im sure we would have gotten past the Clippers and been in WCF.

Wade fans keep making excuses. Kobe and him have widely different careers. But the facts are that Kobe in his early days helped LEAD the Lakers to 3 titles and has lead them to 2 in the past years. While Wade has lead his team to 1, and not much else since.

[opps]

Kobe's most effiecient stat is 5 rings out of 7 Finals. Not many are in the same company as him. You can say all you want about Wade but winning is what has puts Kobe on another level.

[jrong]

when wade had nobody, like kobe did in 2006 and 2007, what did he do?

Averaged 30.2/5.0/7.5/2.0/1.3/%49.1 and posted one of the top 10 season PERs in league history. Next question.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Kobe is more skilled/talented than anyone outside of MJ. So he has that on Wade. However, one thing that separates MJ from Kobe is Jordan's ridiculous efficiency. And that's something Wade has on Kobe too.

Right now, few fans who follow the NBA and aren't Laker fans or myopic media-types could make the claim that Kobe is still better. He's not in his prime more. Wade is. The numbers reflect this and have for several seasons now. This year the only thing that, besides stubborn resistance-to-fact, that keeps this from being unignorably recognizable is the imaginary perception that Wade is LBJ's sidekick.

Somehow people miss what should be patently obvious: LeBron James is the #1 player in the world and Dwyane Wade as his teammate is matching about 95% of his production and performance; ergo, Dwyane Wade is #2 and almost as good (or exactly what Heat/Wade fans have said all along. Because there ain't another player alive who could maintain virtual statistical parity with LeBron while playing on the same team.

....Now with regards to their respective primes, here's how I see it:

scoring: Kobe
jumpshot: Kobe
3 pt shot: Kobe
FT shooting: Kobe
passing: Wade
playmaking: Wade
defensive rebounding: Push
offensive rebounding: Wade
penetration: Wade
ball-handling: Wade
ball caretaking: Kobe
on-ball defense: Kobe
off-ball defense: Wade
overall skill: Kobe
takeover ability: Push
clutch: Kobe
efficiency: Wade
intangibles: Wade

In my analysis, each leads the other in eight categories. Push comes to shove though, I'll give Kobe the nod.

But, understand this, when homers haughtily dismiss the comparison as if there's no merit to even making it, in the back of their minds, what they're thinking is Kobe has five rings, so he can't possibly be compared to a guy who has only one. Basically, what they do is they project Kobe's career resume (which obviously is ahead of Wade's thus far) on to the comparison between the two as players.

Fantastic post. Thanks a lot for breaking it down; the bold is what really caught my eye, though. I expected you to go another way with a few of those categories but you answered as unbiased as you could.

And yeah, it's a shame really. Totally ignoring the fact Kobe has 7+ more seasons. In essence it somewhat discredits Wade as a player now; only ignoring and not being able to appreciate the fact he's in his prime.

[Colby Brian]

Averaged 30.2/5.0/7.5/2.0/1.3/%49.1 and posted one of the top 10 season PERs in league history. Next question.

yeah that was nice, but what did he do that was amazing

35/5/5 trumps that
has wade ever dropped 60? MJ and Kobe have 5 times, wade 0
wade has 3 50 point games, kobe has 25

[opps]

yeah that was nice, but what did he do that was amazing

35/5/5 trumps that
has wade ever dropped 60? MJ and Kobe have 5 times, wade 0
wade has 3 50 point games, kobe has 25

But...but Wade and Kobe are just alike just Wade is more efficient :lol

[Colby Brian]

But...but Wade and Kobe are just alike just Wade is more efficient :lol

lol but but but..look at the fg% :lol

3PA per game in career

kobe - 3.8
wade - 1.9

[KOLBCTEW]

yeah that was nice, but what did he do that was amazing

35/5/5 trumps that
has wade ever dropped 60? MJ and Kobe have 5 times, wade 0
wade has 3 50 point games, kobe has 25
The man has also been in the league 7 years longer than him and Wade had suffered debilitating injuries for two of the years he's been playing...

[Colby Brian]

The man has also been in the league 7 years longer than him and Wade had suffered debilitating injuries for two of the years he's been playing...

kobes first 2 years he didnt even start, age- kobe 32, wade 29
even if wade played the same amount of years he still wouldnt have the amount of 60, 50, 40 point games kobe has, or total points either
Kobe in 2006-07 season alone had 10 50 point games, wade has 3 in his career, lebron 9

[opps]

The man has also been in the league 7 years longer than him and Wade had suffered debilitating injuries for two of the years he's been playing...

What do ya know! More excuses!

[KOLBCTEW]

kobes first 2 years he didnt even start, age- kobe 32, wade 29Whose fault is that? Coach obviously felt he wasn't good enough to start. And Kobe's the one who decided to skip college


even if wade played the same amount of years he still wouldnt have the amount of 60, 50, 40 point games kobe has, or total points either
Kobe in 2006-07 season alone had 10 50 point games, wade has 3 in his career, lebron 9 You know this how? Cause last I checked 50+ point games are rare and can happen at random(when the player gets hot). It's not exactly something that can be predicted on a year to year basis.

lol but but but..look at the fg% :lol

3PA per game in career

kobe - 3.8
wade - 1.9
Is it Wades fault Kobe takes bad shots. With that same logic Wade could take more three pointers averaging more points(something you discredit him for) with a lower efficiency.

[KOLBCTEW]

What do ya know! More excuses!
So playing with only one fully functioning arm and leg isn't a legitimate excuse now?

[winwin]

opps doing work :applause:

[opps]

So playing with only one fully functioning arm and leg isn't a legitimate excuse now?

Injuries are a part of the game. Jordan has had season ending injures, Kobe lead us to a title last year and was injured, Shaq has been injured...etc

You are right though Wade has been injury prone which is not really a good thing...But great players can bounce back from a bad one or play great through one.

[Colby Brian]

Whose fault is that? Coach obviously felt he wasn't good enough to start. And Kobe's the one who decided to skip college
You know this how? Cause last I checked 50+ point games are rare and can happen at random(when the player gets hot). It's not exactly something that can be predicted on a year to year basis.

Is it Wades fault Kobe takes bad shots. With that same logic Wade could take more three pointers averaging more points(something you discredit him for) with a lower efficiency.

lol why do you keep making excuses

60 point games kobe 5, wade 0
50 point games kobe 24, wade 3
40 point games kobe 107, wade 32

those are regular season

[KOLBCTEW]

Injuries are a part of the game.Doesn't mean that no longer makes it a valid reason as to why a player isn't able to perform as they normally would when healty.

Kobe lead us to a title last year and was injured,
Not severe enough that it drastically affects his level of play.


You are right though Wade has been injury prone which is not really a good thing...But great players can bounce back from a bad one or play great through one.
It really depends on the injury; cause no great player is gonna bounce back from a career ending injury(except in extremely rare cases) and no great player can play through an injury severe enough to completely handicap their performance.

[KOLBCTEW]

lol why do you keep making excuses

60 point games kobe 5, wade 0
50 point games kobe 25, wade 3
40 point games kobe 107, wade 32
So you're gonna completely blow over the fact that Kobe's played twice the amount of seasons and more than twice the amount of games Wade has...

[jrong]

yeah that was nice, but what did he do that was amazing

35/5/5 trumps that
has wade ever dropped 60? MJ and Kobe have 5 times, wade 0
wade has 3 50 point games, kobe has 25

I think I just posted what he did that was amazing. Those are some pretty damn amazing numbers he threw up. And does 35/5/5 trump 30/5/7.5 when you consider Wade's FG%, steals, and blocks too? Or the fact that Kobe took 27 shots to score 35 pts and Wade took 22 to score 30?

Or is scoring the only thing you look at? Well, as I frankly acknowledged, Wade can't keep up in that department (although a 50% shooter taking 5 extra FGA could be expected to produce 5 more pts, so there's your 35 pts/game right there).

But, Wade while "only" having three 50 pt games has a lot more 30/10 and 40/10 games. And one of those 50 pt games, since this something that matters to you, was accomplished in 3 quarters (NYK, 2009). He scored 5 pts the rest of the game because the Heat had a double-digit lead in the 4th quarter and he went out with about 6 or 7 minutes to play; had the game been close, it's safe to say he probably could've gone for 60+...

[opps]

opps doing work :applause:

I hope your not being sarcastic but thanks. I seriously didn't know that some people really thought that wade was better than Kobe before joining ISH.

[Colby Brian]

So you're gonna completely blow over the fact that Kobe's played twice the amount of seasons and more than twice the amount of games Wade has...

if you double wades totals he still isnt close :lol

[tpols]

So you're gonna completely blow over the fact that Kobe's played twice the amount of seasons and more than twice the amount of games Wade has...
Wade will never catch kobe's 60 or 50 point game total. He will never score over 60 and he will be lucky to have more than 2 or 3 more 50 point games. He also will never catch the 40 point total.

Just scale the current totals for an extra 5-6 years for wade. He still doesn't even come close to kobe's running totals. Wade was just never as dominant a scorer as kobe.

And don't complain about him having to compete with lebron for stats now because kobe was playing some of his best ball along prime shaq and kobe proved he could dominate in the toughest era of basketball(00-04) while wade only flourished after the rule changes were put in place in 05 going forward.

[Colby Brian]

I think I just posted what he did that was amazing. Those are some pretty damn amazing numbers he threw up. And does 35/5/5 trump 30/5/7.5 when you consider Wade's FG%, steals, and blocks too? Or the fact that Kobe took 27 shots to score 35 pts and Wade took 22 to score 30?

Or is scoring the only thing you look at? Well, as I frankly acknowledged, Wade can't keep up in that department (although a 50% shooter taking 5 extra FGA could be expected to produce 5 more pts, so there's your 35 pts/game right there).

But, Wade while "only" having three 50 pt games has a lot more 30/10 and 40/10 games. And one of those 50 pt games, since this something that matters to you, was accomplished in 3 quarters (NYK, 2009). He scored 5 pts the rest of the game because the Heat had a double-digit lead in the 4th quarter and he went out with about 6 or 7 minutes to play; had the game been close, it's safe to say he probably could've gone for 60+...

fg% - kobe takes 2X more 3s than wade
kobe had 62 in 3 quartes vs mavs, another possible 80 point game right there
also had 56 point game in 3 quartes vs grizz, played only 34 minutes, a potential 70 points ther if he played more but but were blowouts

[KOLBCTEW]

if you double wades totals he still isnt close :lolhttp://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh112/roaringwoodside/parties/fortune-teller-anim-fortune-teller-.gifI see you can predict exactly what Wade is gonna do in the next seven years

[Colby Brian]

60 point games kobe 5, wade 0 0
50 point games kobe 24, wade 3 6
40 point games kobe 107, wade 32 64

doubled them:lol

[opps]

So you're gonna completely blow over the fact that Kobe's played twice the amount of seasons and more than twice the amount of games Wade has...

All you are doing is making excuses. Basically all you are saying is "If Wade was Kobe he'd be as good as Kobe".

[Colby Brian]

wades a great player, but kobes on another level, just like jordan is to kobe

[opps]

wades a great player, but kobes on another level, just like jordan is to kobe

This.

[jrong]

fg% - kobe takes 2X more 3s than wade
kobe had 62 in 3 quartes vs mavs, another possible 80 point game right there
also had 56 point game in 3 quartes vs grizz, played only 34 minutes, a potential 70 points ther if he played more but but were blowouts

And you're still just talking about scoring. What about the rest of the game?

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

So you're gonna completely blow over the fact that Kobe's played twice the amount of seasons and more than twice the amount of games Wade has...

multiply that and he still wont be close

[Laker4Lyfe]

Love those two pics :applause:

Good sh.it! Heart of champions right there and it shows that they been through soo much together. I was crying when they lost that game too :lol After 3 years of dominating the league it was all over but they fought back to be in the position they are in today :rockon:

But of course you Wade & Lebron fans wouldnt know about anything like this :rolleyes:

I was gonna say the same thing. It makes me feel GOOD that the players on my team care enough that it actually HURTS when they lose!!! :rockon::rockon:

[jrong]

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh112/roaringwoodside/parties/fortune-teller-anim-fortune-teller-.gifI see you can predict exactly what Wade is gonna do in the next seven years

Don't argue with them on their terms. You're allowing them to the set the terms of the debate. Wade is the most efficient SG-- actually the most efficient guard period-- since the GOAT. They're coming from the perspective that scoring is practically the only thing that matters. As an all-around perfomer, Wade has no peers among SGs other than MJ (and perhaps Jerry West).

[tpols]

And you're still just talking about scoring. What about the rest of the game?
What about it? Kobe is every bit the playmaker as wade. Don't bring up assist totals because wade basically ran point for most of his career in miami where his role was to run isos and PnRs and free lance create for himself and others. Kobe has always worked within an offensive system that emphasizes ball movement and the extra pass. Kobe actually is a more skilled passer in that he is more accurate and can pull off harder passes. He is a less willing passer but nonetheless is still right there with wade. And defensively prime kobe was a better defender on the ball and off the ball.

The icing on the cake is that kobe has always been a much better player in the clutch due to his huge advantage in versatility and skillset over wade.

[opps]

Don't argue with them on their terms. You're allowing them to the set the terms of the debate. Wade is the most efficient SG-- actually the most efficient guard period-- since the GOAT. They're coming from the perspective that scoring is practically the only thing that matters. As an all-around perfomer, Wade has no peers among SGs other than MJ (and perhaps Jerry West).

You already said Kobe is more talented and more skilled than Wade. Putting winning aside we are supposed to take Wade over Kobe because according to stats he's more efficient?! Oh......yeah....... I see

[tpols]

Don't argue with them on their terms. You're allowing them to the set the terms of the debate. Wade is the most efficient SG-- actually the most efficient guard period-- since the GOAT. They're coming from the perspective that scoring is practically the only thing that matters. As an all-around perfomer, Wade has no peers among SGs other than MJ (and perhaps Jerry West).
eFG has wade at 1% higher efficiency than kobe while scoring on a lower volume and not having even close to the list of dominant scoring performances.

[Colby Brian]

Don't argue with them on their terms. You're allowing them to the set the terms of the debate. Wade is the most efficient SG-- actually the most efficient guard period-- since the GOAT. They're coming from the perspective that scoring is practically the only thing that matters. As an all-around perfomer, Wade has no peers among SGs other than MJ (and perhaps Jerry West).

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Colby Brian]

MJ vs Kobe vs Wade

60 Point Gmaes
MJ - 5
Kobe - 5
Wade - 0

50 point games
MJ - 38
Kobe - 25
Wade - 3

40 Point Games
MJ - 173
Kobe - 118
Wade - 38

Titles
MJ - 6
Kobe - 5
Wade - 1

Even if you TRIPLE wades totals he doesnt have as much 60,50,40 point games and titles as Kobe

[Papaya Petee]

Lol at looking at scoring only Colby.

Lets ignore that Wade's playmaking is through the roof better then Kobes, has been a better defender, equal\better rebounder, superior shot blocker, etc. etc.

Scoring is the only part of basketball, never knew that!

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

Lol at looking at scoring only Colby.

Lets ignore that Wade's playmaking is through the roof better then Kobes, has been a better defender, equal\better rebounder, superior shot blocker, etc. etc.

Scoring is the only part of basketball, never knew that!
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2482/3811055786_b51d292cde.jpg

[Colby Brian]

Lol at looking at scoring only Colby.

Lets ignore that Wade's playmaking is through the roof better then Kobes, has been a better defender, equal\better rebounder, superior shot blocker, etc. etc.

Scoring is the only part of basketball, never knew that!

:facepalm way better playmaker? better defender throughout whole career?

wade is just a better blocker (defense isnt just blocking), and a little better passer thats it

kobes been on 8 all 1st defensive teams by the way

[LoveIsMyMessage]

MJ vs Kobe vs Wade

60 Point Gmaes
MJ - 5
Kobe - 5
Wade - 0

50 point games
MJ - 38
Kobe - 25
Wade - 3

40 Point Games
MJ - 173
Kobe - 118
Wade - 38

Titles
MJ - 6
Kobe - 5
Wade - 1

Even if you TRIPLE wades totals he doesnt have as much 60,50,40 point games and titles as Kobe


Too bad he averages less in every category except rebounding for his career. U could argue that he has more Titles but dont argue about playmaking. Its like saying Carmelo is as good a playmaker as LEbron.

[jrong]

multiply that and he still wont be close

Guess who's still mad because Beasley sucked in Miami (in a different way than he sucked in Minnesota, where he still sucked). What a waste of a draft pick.

[Colby Brian]

Too bad he averages less in every category except rebounding for his career. U could argue that he has more Titles but dont argue about playmaking. Its like saying Carmelo is as good a playmaker as LEbron.

Wade isnt on the same level as Kobe was FACT

[206kid]

I see people saying Wade has never won a series without a MVP or a HOF.... He won a playoff series his rookie year against the Hornets, without an HOF or MVP.

[8BeastlyXOIAD]

Guess who's still mad because Beasley sucked in Miami (in a different way than he sucked in Minnesota, where he still sucked). What a waste of a draft pick.

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: @ this guy getting mad and changing the topic


"Beasley should watch (Miami star) LeBron James(notes)," Artest said. "Beasley's actually a better shooter than LeBron, but the smarts are not there. He's talking so much trash instead of worrying about the game. He needs to become a winner." [...]

Artest said Beasley needs to learn another move on the court.

"He's so athletic and quick and strong," he said. "But eventually somebody's going to catch on to it.


"Offensively, I've been a big believer in him," Rivers said before his Celtics beat the Timberwolves 96-93 on Monday night. "I just think he can score. I said it two years ago: I think one day he may lead the league in scoring. He just knows how to score the ball. He has a Carmelo ability to score the ball."

Beasley scored 19 points, playing only 23 minutes because of foul trouble.

"He's a matchup problem every night," Rivers said. "He's tough for 3s [small forwards] to guard because of his size. He's too quick for 4s [power forwards]. And he can shoot. Obviously that's the key. He has quickness and a shot at that size. That makes him tough to guard."


“He’s a great talent,’’ Pierce said. “A lot of people really forgot about him. He’s having a sensational year, kind of under the radar. He came in as a highly touted offensive player. It’s really rare you see a guy with his size and strength to put the ball on the ground and shoot the way he does and get to the basket with his athleticism. He was a tough cover, especially in the midrange game.

Michael Beasley Stats before injuries issues
22PPG 6RPG 1APG 1BPG 1SPG 48FG% TS%55

Nice Try thou

[Poochymama]

What about it? Kobe is every bit the playmaker as wade. Don't bring up assist totals because wade basically ran point for most of his career in miami where his role was to run isos and PnRs and free lance create for himself and others. Kobe has always worked within an offensive system that emphasizes ball movement and the extra pass. Kobe actually is a more skilled passer in that he is more accurate and can pull off harder passes. He is a less willing passer but nonetheless is still right there with wade.

:facepalm Wow, those are some serious homer goggles you have on. Wade is clearly a better passer/play-maker. Either you've really never watched Wade play, or you are just extremely biased. Me thinks the latter. And :roll: at Kobe playing within the system, he certainly plays more within the system than Wade, but overall?:roll:



And defensively prime kobe was a better defender on the ball and off the ball.

:applause: I agree with this, not really debatable imo.





The icing on the cake is that kobe has always been a much better player in the clutch due to his huge advantage in versatility and skillset over wade.
Can't disagree with this either.

Right now, Wade is the better player, but overall Kobe > Wade, and prime Kobe > prime Wade, but :roll: at them not being comparable, or even likening the comparison to MJ vs. Drexler.

Prime vs Prime, Kobe is the better scorer, better defender, and more clutch. Wade is the better passer/play-maker, efficient scorer.

[zabuza666]

Your right he has the ring and no one can take it away from him. But the same way he got his ring is one of the reason he hasnt been able to get one since. Having a game built on relying on the refs will not get you very far. Cant wait for the Celtics/Heat series to start we gonna see how good him and Lebron really are.

How is his game built on refs?